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The Late Debate | 30 September · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Late General. Welcome to the late base. I'm just getting
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Speaker 1: over the fact that twenty twenty seven will be nearly
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Speaker 1: twenty years. It will be twenty years since the last
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Speaker 1: Simpsons movie. Now even I feel old. Welcome to the program.
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Speaker 1: I'm k le Bond with freyer Leitch and Jamie Rodgers.
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Speaker 1: Here's what's coming up tonight. A gap year in the
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Speaker 1: UK used to be a right of passage for many
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Speaker 1: young Australians, but visitors to the Motherland fallen off a cliff.
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Speaker 1: So what's changed. We'll talk about that soon in the papers.
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Speaker 1: A sharp spike in the number of UNI students saying
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Speaker 1: that they have disabilities and mental conditions will give you
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Speaker 1: the exclusive details on the front of tomorrow's OZ. And look,
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Speaker 1: the name you give your child can have lifelong consequences,
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Speaker 1: as Johnny cash Well knew. No, I don't blame him
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Speaker 1: because he right in here.
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Speaker 2: But the meaner saying it my daddy ever did it
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Speaker 2: was before.
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Speaker 1: He leaps, he wouldn't name me soup Well. Now apparently
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Speaker 1: you can hire someone to name your kid, and let's
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Speaker 1: hope that I don't call you son su More on
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Speaker 1: that later, but first, a couple of Ossie fashion brands
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Speaker 1: are in trouble from the Ad Standards Bureau because they
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Speaker 1: had wait for it, skinny women in their ads. I
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Speaker 1: know you're shocked that the fashion industry would be using
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Speaker 1: skinny women in their advertisements, but these days that does
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Speaker 1: get you in trouble with AD Standards, which is the
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Speaker 1: watchdog that looks after these things in Australia. One of
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Speaker 1: them is a brand called as you can see here
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Speaker 1: some of the images that they got in trouble for.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure if you are a female viewer you may
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Speaker 1: well be across Asia. I can't say I've bought a
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Speaker 1: great number of their products because they don't appeal to me,
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Speaker 1: but I'm sure they may appeal to you at home.
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Speaker 1: But these are the photographs that they used and they
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Speaker 1: got in trouble for. And then there was another one
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Speaker 1: called Beck and Bridge that's another brand, and they had
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Speaker 1: this on the front of their website. And yes, you
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Speaker 1: can see that these girls are skinny women, I should say,
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Speaker 1: and they may or may not be underage women are skinny.
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Speaker 1: But this now falls in breach of the standards and
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Speaker 1: they had to take them down in the adjudications handed
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Speaker 1: down by AD Standards in the case of age, they said,
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Speaker 1: the panel considered that while it could not make a
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Speaker 1: determination on whether the woman depicted is actually unhealthy, the
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Speaker 1: posing of the woman emphasized her slight stature and the
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Speaker 1: impression that she is unhealthily thin. The panel considered that
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Speaker 1: most members of the community would consider that such a
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Speaker 1: depiction is irresponsible and promotes an unrealistic body image that
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Speaker 1: would be unattainable through healthy practices. And in the case
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Speaker 1: of Beck and Bridge, they said, the panel considered the
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Speaker 1: depiction of the woman on the left and the woman
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Speaker 1: in the center that is the one you saw before.
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Speaker 1: The panel considered that both women appeared very thin. The
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Speaker 1: panel considered that the style of makeup and photography made
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Speaker 1: their faces look pale and gaunt, and their bodies appeared
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Speaker 1: thin and out of proportion to their heads. The panel
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Speaker 1: noted that while it could not make it a termination
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Speaker 1: on whether the women depicted are actually unhealthy, it considered
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Speaker 1: that the overall impression is that they are unhealthily thin.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just I don't get it. I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure what the issue is. I understand that there have
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Speaker 1: been you know, ebbs and flows and waves in terms
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Speaker 1: of body standards that have been used in advertising and
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Speaker 1: in the fashion industry, and you know, had a move
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Speaker 1: towards plus sized models and all this sort of thing
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Speaker 1: in the last few years. But the reason that supermodels
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Speaker 1: have generally been very skinny, as far as I understand it,
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Speaker 1: is that they are literally meant to be human coat hangers.
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Speaker 1: They're not actually there for their beauty. They're not there
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Speaker 1: because they look good. They're there because the designer wants
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Speaker 1: their clothes to drape in a certain way when they're worn.
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Speaker 1: Is that not.
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Speaker 3: What what did a model recently? I mean, they're all
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Speaker 3: usually dropped out gorgeous.
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Speaker 1: Well, I looked some look some supermodels have traditionally had,
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Speaker 1: shall we say, an unusual facial.
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Speaker 3: They're beautiful. But I think the issue here with this,
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Speaker 3: Caleb is I think a lot of your viewers will
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Speaker 3: remember back in the nineteen nineties and the early two
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Speaker 3: thousands where it was that heroine chic where you think
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Speaker 3: of Kate Moss who used to say nothing tastes as
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Speaker 3: good as what skinny feels. And I think when you
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Speaker 3: see photos like that, my concern when I saw the
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Speaker 3: one in particular, I didn't have an issue with any
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Speaker 3: of the others, other the one when the girl had
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Speaker 3: her arms behind her back and you could see her
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Speaker 3: protruding muscles in her back. Now, that does look like
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Speaker 3: someone is too skinny, And I think we don't want
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Speaker 3: to be setting those unrealistic body image expectations of what
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Speaker 3: we used to see back in the nineties and the
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Speaker 3: early two thousands. And it was Georgio Rmoni who started
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Speaker 3: to change the way, where he said, I don't want
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Speaker 3: to have skinny models on the catwalk during my shows,
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Speaker 3: and we really started to see. There was one model
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Speaker 3: who actually passed away after she walked off the cat
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Speaker 3: walk because she'd had heart failure because she had literally
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Speaker 3: starved herself for three months. So we don't want to
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Speaker 3: be going back to that time, and so I think
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Speaker 3: that's what those probably cause some concern for people when
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Speaker 3: they saw them and thought, yikes, we're happy now with
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Speaker 3: the look of being fit and healthy, and that's the
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Speaker 3: type of model that you want to see because that's realistic.
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Speaker 3: Not many people are super, super, super skinny. You want
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Speaker 3: to see clothes that you can see yourself in.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think we society tends to swing in
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Speaker 4: these pendulums. So in the nineties and the two thousands,
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Speaker 4: it was let's be ultra skinny, and then in the
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Speaker 4: twenty tens, it's let's swing all the way back and
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Speaker 4: have plus size everywhere and just reject the idea of
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Speaker 4: beauty standards full stop. But now when you look at
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Speaker 4: people like Sidney Sweeney, who do occupy I think that
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Speaker 4: spot in our culture of being the most attractive model
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Speaker 4: and actress, she's more normal. She's not as skinny, she
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Speaker 4: doesn't look emaciated and like she's going to drop dead
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Speaker 4: after a photo shoot, and that's healthy. So I think
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Speaker 4: this move back to the extremely skinny look is just
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Speaker 4: not helpful. But at the same time we have to ask, well,
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Speaker 4: why did this brand choose those models the first place. Now,
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Speaker 4: they would only choose them if they thought that would
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Speaker 4: sell more clothes, and so that's the other thing. We
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Speaker 4: can sit here and complain all unrealistic beauty standards, but
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Speaker 4: people are buying the clothes, and often they're buying them
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Speaker 4: because of what they look like on the models. So
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Speaker 4: if we want to change it, let's change our attitudes
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Speaker 4: before getting bodies like at the ad regulator to start
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Speaker 4: issuing takedown notice.
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Speaker 1: And there are skinny people in the world. So do
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Speaker 1: skinny people not deserve to have depiction.
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Speaker 3: The issue was they looked unhealthy.
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Speaker 1: But they look unhealthy.
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Speaker 3: But I think if you look at the actual image
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Speaker 3: when you because you can see the models faced in
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Speaker 3: the pictures if you look online, and some of them
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Speaker 3: look as though they have their heads bigger, add a
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Speaker 3: proportion to their body. So when you were looking at.
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Speaker 1: That tool, they I mean, I can't tell you how
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Speaker 1: tall they are.
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Speaker 3: Which you can see in that picture. Look, I'm not
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Speaker 3: a medical expert by any stretch. I'm not pretending to be.
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Speaker 3: But you can see in that image there Caleb, like
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Speaker 3: that front model with the white singlet, her head looks
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Speaker 3: incredibly larger than her body. And so that's the issue,
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Speaker 3: is that they look unhealthy. There's nothing against skinny people
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Speaker 3: because then their head is often in proportion with their body.
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Speaker 1: I think it's also part of the way that the
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Speaker 1: head is turned in the photograph. Look, I'm happy for
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Speaker 1: ad standards to say that people are too skinny to
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Speaker 1: be in ads when they also decide that people are
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Speaker 1: too fat to be in it, because because seriously, if
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Speaker 1: the point is that it is unhealthy to depict people
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Speaker 1: as being too skinny. Then surely it is also unhealthy
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Speaker 1: to depict people as too fat, because you are encouraging
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Speaker 1: that as a beauty standard and glorified.
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Speaker 4: Caleb, you can be healthy at any size. Holy No,
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Speaker 4: I'm with you on that point for sure. Well let's
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Speaker 4: move on now. We've talked a lot about universities and
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Speaker 4: how they are failing Australia's young people. Well, some new
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Speaker 4: data that's been analyzed on attrition and dropout rates shows
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Speaker 4: something surprising. Over a quarter of students at some of
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Speaker 4: Australia's top unis are dropping out, but it's not because
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Speaker 4: they're dissatisfied.
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Speaker 5: With the education. So the unis with some of.
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Speaker 4: The highest dropout rates like Torrens University, Central Queensland UNI,
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Speaker 4: the University of New England, they have dropout rates above
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Speaker 4: thirty percent, but interestingly they also have student satisfaction rates
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Speaker 4: above average. Meanwhile, on the flip side, the University of
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Speaker 4: Melbourne has one of the lowest dropout rates around six percent,
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Speaker 4: but also one of the lowest satisfaction rates. So it
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Speaker 4: does make you wonder what is going on here. I
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Speaker 4: think there are a few dynamics. Some of those unis,
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Speaker 4: like Torrens and Central Queensland. They do have lower eight
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Speaker 4: entry requirements, and so I think a lot of people
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Speaker 4: get pushed into UNI as the pathway that they're told that.
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Speaker 5: Is how you make it in life. But they're not.
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Speaker 4: Wired up necessarily for four more years of academic study.
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Speaker 4: So they get there and they go, oh, this isn't
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Speaker 4: very fun to continue doing high school for many more years,
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Speaker 4: and then they drop out. And I think other people
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Speaker 4: as well realize that you can actually make a lot
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Speaker 4: of money and have a really great career without UNI,
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Speaker 4: and so quickly they realize maybe UNI isn't for them.
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Speaker 4: But what does annoy me is that the Sandstone Universities
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Speaker 4: once again get to have a poor quality of education,
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Speaker 4: experience poor student satisfaction rates.
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Speaker 5: But people stick.
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Speaker 4: It out because they're there for the reputation and the
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Speaker 4: brand name on their resume.
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Speaker 1: That may be true to some degree, there's also probably
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Speaker 1: an element of you know, if you're going to Melbourne
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Speaker 1: UNI or you see it or something like that, you
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Speaker 1: know you're pretty serious about why you're there, and even
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Speaker 1: if you don't particularly like university, you're there for the
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Speaker 1: payoff at the end, right, so you're putting yourself through
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Speaker 1: the pain for the eventual game. Whereas you might have
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Speaker 1: people going to other universities who, as you say, probably
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Speaker 1: shouldn't be in university at all. Now, that doesn't mean
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Speaker 1: that they don't enjoy university. They may will enjoy the
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Speaker 1: mates they make there and the social scene and whatever else.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't necessarily mean that any good at the work
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Speaker 1: they're doing at university, which is why they end up
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Speaker 1: dropping out. And that's always been Mashie with this idea
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Speaker 1: that kids get shoehorned into uni, as you say, like
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Speaker 1: it's the only option, because there's almost a snobbery about
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Speaker 1: it that if you don't go to university, there's something
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Speaker 1: defective about you, that you failed in your academic pursuits.
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Speaker 1: And I think it might have been last week I
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Speaker 1: was making the point that you know that the person
10:49
Speaker 1: who's going to make the most money on any given
10:51
Speaker 1: day is when you need your septic tank emptied. On
10:53
Speaker 1: Christmas Day, you will pay any sum of money your
10:57
Speaker 1: whole bank account. They have that done. If it needs
10:59
Speaker 1: to be done to some blow who's going to literally
11:02
Speaker 1: come and get in your waist. These are jobs that
11:05
Speaker 1: will need to be done, needed to be done forever, plumbers, brickies,
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Speaker 1: the whole lot. You don't have to be sent off
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Speaker 1: to university. And I mean, if you've got unis where
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Speaker 1: they're turning through thirty two percent of their students, I
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Speaker 1: think that's pretty clear.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I think now's the time to be going
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Speaker 3: out and getting a trade. But one thing that we
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Speaker 3: haven't spoken about is the cost to go and get
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Speaker 3: these university degrees, and especially in a cost of living crisis.
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Speaker 3: In that article where the quote was from, one of
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Speaker 3: the students actually said, gone are the days where you're
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Speaker 3: a full time student. Most kids are now having to
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Speaker 3: actually work close to full time to be able.
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Speaker 5: To pay for their bills.
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Speaker 3: And then you have this big heck step when you
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Speaker 3: go out into the workforce and you spend years and
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Speaker 3: years paying it off. They've also said a few other
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Speaker 3: things like the life on campus is not what it
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Speaker 3: used to be, that you're not there to have as
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Speaker 3: much fun as what you might have done back in
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Speaker 3: the day. Like I know when I went to UNI,
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Speaker 3: it was a great time. We were there to you know,
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Speaker 3: just pease get degrees and you just start to cruise
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Speaker 3: your way through to be able to get your degree.
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Speaker 3: But because you'd have to having so much fun, but
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Speaker 3: it seems as though that has now gone. And also
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Speaker 3: some of the subjects that are being taught within some
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Speaker 3: of these university degrees, whether it's that the woke ideology
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Speaker 3: of things that are getting pushed into it as well.
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Speaker 3: So I think it's sad that we're seeing a huge
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Speaker 3: dropout because of things like cost of living. But I
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Speaker 3: know that Liberal Senator Sarah Henderson was trying to address
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Speaker 3: this in the last federal election by indexing HEX. You're
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Speaker 3: just trying to find a solution of trying to entice
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Speaker 3: students better go to UNI and not have this incredibly
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Speaker 3: huge extep.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think it's also just a lot more
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Speaker 4: competitive for young people now because so many more people
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Speaker 4: are going to UNI. You have to have done other things.
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Speaker 4: A university degree is not enough, let alone pass. You
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Speaker 4: need to be getting good marks. You also need work experience,
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Speaker 4: you need internships, and so I think there's a lot
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Speaker 4: more pressure on young people now, which is also probably
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Speaker 4: wide a lot of the more elite universities, the satisfaction
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Speaker 4: rate is lower because there is this sense that you're
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Speaker 4: in a highly competitive environment and just going to a
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Speaker 4: top university and getting.
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Speaker 5: A great degree is not enough.
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Speaker 3: Well, whilst university degrees are seeing a higher range of dropout,
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Speaker 3: another thing that's changing is no longer is it the
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Speaker 3: dumb thing to go and have a trim overseas over
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Speaker 3: in the UK. With Australian numbers on the decline, but
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Speaker 3: also in reverse with UK migrants aren't coming here in
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Speaker 3: the sheer volume of numbers of what we've seen.
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Speaker 5: We'll have a look here up.
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Speaker 3: We've got a graph year just to show how many
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Speaker 3: have been coming in in comparison over the past decade,
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Speaker 3: where you can see India from twenty nineteen through to now.
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Speaker 3: We see now just over fifty thousand have been coming
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Speaker 3: in that past year compared to the UK, whereas just
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Speaker 3: under ten thousand in comparison to what it had been
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Speaker 3: only a few years ago. But what's interesting is the
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Speaker 3: number of visas that have been issued to Australians per year.
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Speaker 3: So this is taking out of account the short term visas.
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Speaker 3: Looking at back in two thousand and six it was
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Speaker 3: just under four two thousand visas were issued, and then
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Speaker 3: you fast forward to now twenty twenty four it was
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Speaker 3: just under twenty thousand, and when you look at our migrants.
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Speaker 3: So guys, the Britain's are five percent of annual migrants,
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Speaker 3: which is down twelve percent a decade ago. And if
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Speaker 3: you look at all different things that could be leading
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Speaker 3: to this, We've had a labor former Prime minister in
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Speaker 3: Paul Keating who has said that Australia at some point
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Speaker 3: needed to cut its dow mbilical cord with the UK
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Speaker 3: and had encouraged us to move more closely to Asia
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Speaker 3: and away from the UK. And when you look at
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Speaker 3: Anthony Albanizi, outside of his most recent trip to the UK,
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Speaker 3: but we've seen how often he's been going to Asia,
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Speaker 3: so he's certainly strengthening the ties and alliance over there.
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Speaker 3: But then also things like language is being taught in school.
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Speaker 3: You're not necessarily learning French or Italian, they're said learning
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Speaker 3: things like Mandarin and Japanese. So I think all of
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Speaker 3: that would be tying into it as well. But one
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Speaker 3: other thing which I think stands out of potentially what
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Speaker 3: could be causing this decline in Australia going over there
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Speaker 3: is this immigration health surcharge. So back in twenty fifteen
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Speaker 3: you had to pay four hundred dollars for an Immigration
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Speaker 3: Health searcharge Now it is three thy, one hundred and
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Speaker 3: fifty eight dollars, which is a lot of money for
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Speaker 3: a twenty year old to go off and spend some
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Speaker 3: time overseas. So I think this is a used to
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Speaker 3: be a rite of passage, remem everyone finished school and
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Speaker 3: you go off on your gap year over to the UK.
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Speaker 3: But nowadays it either heading to the US or Asia.
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Speaker 1: And it's interesting because if we bring that graphic back up,
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Speaker 1: that shows a number of visas that are being given
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Speaker 1: out to Ozzie's to go to the UK to work,
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Speaker 1: live or study, and so you've got back in two
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Speaker 1: thousand and five. I don't know if we've got that
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Speaker 1: graphic again there it is, so in two thousand and
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Speaker 1: five it's thirty seven thousand, three hundred and seventy five.
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Speaker 1: Then you get through sort of dwindles all the way
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Speaker 1: down to last year twenty twenty four, fourteen, nine hundred
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Speaker 1: and fifty three. That is a huge drop off. And
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Speaker 1: what I think is really interesting if you look at
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Speaker 1: that is you can see this sort of small drop
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Speaker 1: off from five to seven. It starts there, then you
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Speaker 1: come to seven and eight, which is of course when
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Speaker 1: Rudd was elected Prime minister, and it just begins this
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Speaker 1: slide all the way down to twenty twenty, twelve, twenty three,
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Speaker 1: which is of course where Tony Habit becomes Prime Minister,
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Speaker 1: and then you have a small uptick and it does
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Speaker 1: actually go up and stay up for a little while.
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Speaker 1: My question is how much of this turnarway from going
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Speaker 1: to the UK is down to cultural changes where and
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Speaker 1: we've seen, particularly in the last decade, if not fifteen years,
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Speaker 1: this turnarway from Australia day and pride in your country
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Speaker 1: and these things that link us back to the motherland
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Speaker 1: to Britain, and we've rejected all of that and said
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Speaker 1: that colonization is terrible and we all live on stolen land,
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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. And so if you're a kid
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Speaker 1: coming through the system now and you get to the
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Speaker 1: end of that process, why would you want to go
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Speaker 1: over there and we go and meet the people who
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Speaker 1: destroyed the country allegedly that you currently live in.
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Speaker 5: I know exactly. I think that's a lot of what's happening.
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Speaker 4: And it's really sad because if we lose as Australians,
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Speaker 4: if we lose this cultural connection to the UK, we
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Speaker 4: will lose the monarchy, eventually we will lose more and
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Speaker 4: more of our national identity of what makes us Australian,
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Speaker 4: because a fundamental part of who we are is our
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Speaker 4: Anglo heritage. It's influenced everything from our legal system to
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Speaker 4: our constitution and parliamentary system, the language we speak, the
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Speaker 4: culture we have, the manners we use. It is integral
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Speaker 4: to who we are as a nation, and so we
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Speaker 4: need to be really concerned about this. And just because
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Speaker 4: we are proximately closer to Asia than the UK doesn't
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Speaker 4: mean we are closer to them in terms of our
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Speaker 4: security ties or our culture, and so we need to
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Speaker 4: preserve these links to the UK. I think probably the
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Speaker 4: other factor here was also the GFC. Now London was
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Speaker 4: the financial center of the world, and right after the GFC,
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Speaker 4: around that time you can see the number of visas
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Speaker 4: just drop off. And these days it's probably a sign
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Speaker 4: of the UK's decline that people would opt more to
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Speaker 4: go to the US places like New York. And that's
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Speaker 4: no thanks to I'm sure the UK government. Now it's
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Speaker 4: really sad.
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Speaker 1: Well. That was one of the suggestions, and this was
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Speaker 1: a long piece in the Telegraph in the UK about
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Speaker 1: this and that was one of the suggestions, is that
18:28
Speaker 1: it's sort of the idea now is that if you
18:30
Speaker 1: want to make it in bare or finance or one
18:32
Speaker 1: of these things, and if you go to the US,
18:35
Speaker 1: you're sort of just skipping the path of going UK
18:38
Speaker 1: te So why would you bother go to the UK
18:41
Speaker 1: if you can just go to the big Kahuna. And
18:44
Speaker 1: I think that's really sad that the UK needs to
18:47
Speaker 1: reclaim its place as one of the great cultural and
18:50
Speaker 1: business capitals of the world. Have a look at the
18:53
Speaker 1: polling over there, it's pretty clear that Britain's want change.
18:57
Speaker 1: While we're talking about Britain's JK Rowling, of course you
18:59
Speaker 1: will know as the writer of Harry Potter, and of
19:03
Speaker 1: course in recent years has become an outspoken advocate for
19:06
Speaker 1: women's rights in the face of what's been happening with
19:10
Speaker 1: the trans movement and taken away women's only spaces, etc.
19:14
Speaker 1: And in the wake of all of that, you saw
19:16
Speaker 1: people like Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson, who of course
19:19
Speaker 1: were in the Harry Potter film, speaking out against JK
19:23
Speaker 1: Rowling and denouncing the terrible transphobia that she has been
19:27
Speaker 1: spewing out in suggesting that women should be able to
19:31
Speaker 1: have rights. I know it's all terribly radical, isn't it.
19:34
Speaker 1: But the culture has turned a little bit. The tide
19:37
Speaker 1: has turned a little bit, and particularly over in the UK,
19:39
Speaker 1: you know places where they had the cast Report and
19:42
Speaker 1: they're getting rid of gender clinics, etc. I know we've
19:45
Speaker 1: been a bit slow on the uptake here in Australia,
19:47
Speaker 1: but the discussion on transgender issues has moved overseas and
19:51
Speaker 1: it's not quite as fashionable anymore to get so stuck
19:56
Speaker 1: into them and say, you know, I'm on the trans
19:58
Speaker 1: side of things. JK. Rowlings of the world have become
20:02
Speaker 1: far more mainstream as we have realized the reality of
20:06
Speaker 1: these matters. So Emma Watson is sort of sounding to
20:09
Speaker 1: backtrack a bit. After years of denouncing JK. Rowling, the
20:14
Speaker 1: woman who created the franchise and the character that put
20:18
Speaker 1: her on the map, that as a child, gave her
20:21
Speaker 1: a job, that made her shed loads of money, that
20:24
Speaker 1: has set her up for life, that gave her a career.
20:27
Speaker 1: After years of crapping all over JK. Rowling, She's decided, well,
20:32
Speaker 1: maybe I should soften my views a little bit. Now,
20:35
Speaker 1: She's popped up on a podcast recently and tried to
20:39
Speaker 1: explain what she's talking about here. I'll let you have Elizabeza.
20:45
Speaker 2: Having had that experience and holding the love and support
20:51
Speaker 2: and views that I have mean that I can't and
20:55
Speaker 2: don't treasure Joe and the person that I that I
21:05
Speaker 2: had personal experiences with.
21:08
Speaker 1: Yep, Okay, whatever the hell that all meant. But she
21:10
Speaker 1: talks about in this podcast about how she loves her
21:13
Speaker 1: and she wants to be loved back and all this
21:15
Speaker 1: sort of business. Well, JK. Rowling is not taking it
21:18
Speaker 1: lying down. She has hit out with a blistering attack
21:23
Speaker 1: on X in which, amongst other things, she said, like
21:26
Speaker 1: other people who've never experienced a dult life uncushioned by
21:29
Speaker 1: wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life.
21:32
Speaker 1: She's ignorant of how ignorant she is. I wasn't a
21:36
Speaker 1: multi millionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing
21:39
Speaker 1: a book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand that
21:42
Speaker 1: from my own life experience, what the thrashing of women's
21:45
Speaker 1: rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to
21:49
Speaker 1: women and girls without privileges. The great irony here is
21:53
Speaker 1: that had Emma not decided in her most recent interview
21:56
Speaker 1: to declare that she loves and treasures me a change
21:58
Speaker 1: of attack. I suspect she's a adopted because she's noticed
22:01
Speaker 1: full throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as
22:04
Speaker 1: fashionable as it was. I might never have been this honest.
22:08
Speaker 1: Adults can't expect to cozy up to an activist movement
22:12
Speaker 1: that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their
22:16
Speaker 1: right to the former friend's love as though the friend
22:19
Speaker 1: was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to
22:21
Speaker 1: disagree with me, and indeed to discuss her feelings about
22:24
Speaker 1: me in public. But I have the same right, and
22:27
Speaker 1: I finally decided to exercise it. I mean, that was
22:32
Speaker 1: just an assassination right there. I think she got her
22:35
Speaker 1: right between the eyes. And she makes the point if
22:39
Speaker 1: Emma had not spent all these years speaking out against
22:42
Speaker 1: me and then that the death knell, saying oh, well,
22:45
Speaker 1: maybe she's not so bad after all, she wouldn't be
22:48
Speaker 1: coming out and attacking Emma in return. She's basically saying,
22:52
Speaker 1: are you a real mate or not? And you've proven
22:54
Speaker 1: yourself not to be a real mate.
22:56
Speaker 4: Yeah, And she's only coming crawling back, winsomely going maybe
23:01
Speaker 4: there's room here for some sort of rekindling because she
23:05
Speaker 4: realizes the tides have turned. But JK Rowling said it
23:10
Speaker 4: so well herself. She has declined to speak about Emma
23:14
Speaker 4: Watson or the cast of Harry Potter denouncing her numerous
23:18
Speaker 4: times over the years. She's always stayed silent, She's always
23:21
Speaker 4: kept their relationship out of it. But time and time again,
23:24
Speaker 4: they've always criticized her while she was getting death threats,
23:29
Speaker 4: while she was having to hire extra security and was
23:32
Speaker 4: worried about.
23:32
Speaker 5: The safety of her family.
23:34
Speaker 4: That's what she had to go through for years, and
23:37
Speaker 4: they continue to pour fuel on the fire of hatred
23:40
Speaker 4: against her. And so for them for Emma Watson to
23:44
Speaker 4: now come back and go, oh, I just want to
23:46
Speaker 4: be loved and I just love you even though we disagree.
23:49
Speaker 5: I mean, come on, this is not love.
23:52
Speaker 3: And JK did say she will never be able to
23:54
Speaker 3: forgive Emma Watson or Daniel Radcliffe or any celebrity that
23:58
Speaker 3: was out there supporting a movement hell bent against eroding
24:02
Speaker 3: women's rights. And JK also made a very good point
24:04
Speaker 3: when she's talking about Emma being ignorant without realizing that
24:08
Speaker 3: she's being ignorant because of things like with Emma's position.
24:11
Speaker 3: She will never have to use a public bathroom that
24:14
Speaker 3: doesn't have a security guard waiting out the front. She'll
24:17
Speaker 3: never be in a position where she has to go
24:18
Speaker 3: and get changed at your local sporting field, where you
24:21
Speaker 3: might have to share a bathroom with someone. And that's
24:24
Speaker 3: what JK is trying to get the point across to
24:26
Speaker 3: Emma is that you will never actually experience a lot
24:29
Speaker 3: of these things of what she's trying to push.
24:31
Speaker 5: For exactly well.
24:32
Speaker 4: Also in the UK, facial recognition technology could be set
24:37
Speaker 4: to be rolled out by the UK police across the country.
24:41
Speaker 4: They've been trialing it in South London and also in
24:44
Speaker 4: Wales and too much success. According to the police, they've
24:48
Speaker 4: arrested five hundred and eighty alleged rapists, abuses and robbers
24:52
Speaker 4: and fifty two registered sex offenders and now they're going, well,
24:57
Speaker 4: let's roll it out across the country. This has been
25:01
Speaker 4: tried in Australia before in the past.
25:03
Speaker 5: Here in New South Wales, the.
25:05
Speaker 4: Government here has switched it off earlier this year, but
25:09
Speaker 4: that's probably according to them, because it wasn't effective and
25:12
Speaker 4: it was old technology. But really, what facial recognition technology
25:17
Speaker 4: is at the end of the day is taking the
25:19
Speaker 4: CCTV cameras and footage that's up all around the place anyway,
25:24
Speaker 4: and just using a computer program to match those faces
25:28
Speaker 4: to people who are already on the system. I know
25:32
Speaker 4: it sounds like a scary concept, it is creepy, but
25:37
Speaker 4: I can't help.
25:38
Speaker 5: But thinking this is just the future. This is it.
25:43
Speaker 1: Brother, is the future. Brother is here. It is the future.
25:47
Speaker 1: There is no escape. Sign up for your digital IDA,
25:50
Speaker 1: sign up for your facial recognition, and mister government will
25:54
Speaker 1: know where you are at all times. This is like,
25:57
Speaker 1: it's great. You can say it's good, we in the pedophiles, fantastic.
26:02
Speaker 1: But at the same time they are also scanning your
26:06
Speaker 1: faces and they will say we're gathering no data. We
26:09
Speaker 1: have no data. We know who no one is. Which
26:13
Speaker 1: is fine, as I said last time about digital ID,
26:15
Speaker 1: when it's the people you like who are in charge.
26:18
Speaker 1: But you hand this technology over to people who don't
26:21
Speaker 1: like you, and they may well use it against you.
26:24
Speaker 1: And there was a case a few years ago in
26:26
Speaker 1: the UK where they were using facial recognition technology on
26:31
Speaker 1: cameras with AI in train stations, and they were using
26:36
Speaker 1: it in these railway stations to monitor the estimated ages
26:42
Speaker 1: of passengers and their moods, like they were scanning their
26:45
Speaker 1: faces and their eyes and trying to register what their
26:49
Speaker 1: moods and emotions were. And there was this report, secret
26:52
Speaker 1: report that was written on all the data that they'd
26:54
Speaker 1: collected from this and sent back to Amazon that said, hippie,
26:58
Speaker 1: we can use this sort of data to target advertising
27:01
Speaker 1: in railway stations to people. So it starts with we're
27:05
Speaker 1: catching Peter files. It ends up with we're monitoring everyone everywhere,
27:09
Speaker 1: at all times for all purposes.
27:10
Speaker 3: Well, you could see on the image that we showed
27:12
Speaker 3: just before when it was an example and it had
27:14
Speaker 3: a woman walking on the street and the little screen
27:16
Speaker 3: that came up said face not recognized, but it still
27:19
Speaker 3: said her eye color and her height. I just think
27:22
Speaker 3: this is just a really uncomfortable position to be in,
27:25
Speaker 3: Like these people have no idea that their face is
27:27
Speaker 3: currently being scanned and that face would them We've been
27:29
Speaker 3: put into a computer even though she's not at well,
27:32
Speaker 3: so we don't know what their positions. But she's not
27:34
Speaker 3: necessarily a criminal because it says unknown face. But they
27:36
Speaker 3: then take the data and who knows what you can
27:39
Speaker 3: do with it. I just feel really uncomfortable in a
27:41
Speaker 3: position where people can be doing your facial recognition without knowing.
27:45
Speaker 3: And I know that in that twelve months that they
27:47
Speaker 3: were doing the pilot they caught five hundred and eighty
27:49
Speaker 3: alleged defenders. But I still just think in a country
27:52
Speaker 3: as well where they're bringing in wanting to bring in
27:54
Speaker 3: digital ID, it just seems a little bit of an
27:56
Speaker 3: overreach for me.
27:57
Speaker 4: But don't they already have all this data anyway? Like
27:59
Speaker 4: if if you exist in twenty twenty five and you've
28:02
Speaker 4: got a phone, and you've got social media, and you've
28:05
Speaker 4: got the Internet, but they already on the streets, they
28:08
Speaker 4: already have everything. I would at least rather the government
28:11
Speaker 4: do something productive and use technology that already exists to
28:15
Speaker 4: help catch criminals while the UK is in a crime crisis,
28:19
Speaker 4: then just sit there and collect all the data and
28:21
Speaker 4: send it to China.
28:21
Speaker 5: Anyway.
28:23
Speaker 1: Okay, if you're using your mobile phone and your Facebook
28:26
Speaker 1: and all this business, you're voluntarily handing that stuff over
28:30
Speaker 1: to companies and that's your own stupid falld. If something
28:32
Speaker 1: gets done with it, read the terms and conditions et cetera.
28:35
Speaker 1: But is it not true that it's all fine and
28:38
Speaker 1: well to say that the technology is available, you set
28:41
Speaker 1: the precedent and say it's available for this purpose now.
28:44
Speaker 1: But it can be used for nefarious purposes. And so
28:49
Speaker 1: if you say this is the precedent, you can use it.
28:52
Speaker 1: That is a logical conclusion of where you end up.
28:54
Speaker 1: It can be used for the farious purposes. Why would
28:57
Speaker 1: you hand that over to them?
28:58
Speaker 5: But anything can be used for an affaia purposes.
29:00
Speaker 4: That's why you have to have checks and balances and
29:03
Speaker 4: safeguards and ensure that totalitarian governments don't get elected. You
29:09
Speaker 4: applied to absolutely anything.
29:11
Speaker 3: But you don't get that with the facial recognition because
29:14
Speaker 3: you haven't signed up for that. So you're just walking
29:16
Speaker 3: the street short face is getting scanned, like what we
29:18
Speaker 3: saw in that picture where that woman has no idea
29:21
Speaker 3: but all her height and her eye color.
29:23
Speaker 1: So effectively, you have to remove yourself from society if
29:28
Speaker 1: you don't want to have all your geometric biometric data
29:31
Speaker 1: gathered by big government, or just.
29:32
Speaker 5: Try wearing a balaclave or when you.
29:36
Speaker 1: Weed, isn't it you've got no option? I think it is.
29:41
Speaker 1: It's really scary, particularly in a country, and don't believe
29:44
Speaker 1: this couldn't happen here, particularly in a country where they
29:48
Speaker 1: are bringing in compulsory digital ID to be able to
29:52
Speaker 1: work in that country. You know, you start linking every
29:55
Speaker 1: little service and everything up, all of a sudden, the
29:59
Speaker 1: data they collecting your gets put on your digital everything
30:02
Speaker 1: will be in one place controlled by the government. I
30:04
Speaker 1: think that's a dangerous President.
30:06
Speaker 3: Well, let's go now to Victoria, where a decision has
30:09
Speaker 3: been made at an all men's club. A survey was
30:13
Speaker 3: conducted earlier this year to see whether women should be
30:16
Speaker 3: allowed to join at this club to have lunch. In
30:19
Speaker 3: that survey, four of the four hundred and fifty eight
30:21
Speaker 3: men said they would be happy to have women there,
30:25
Speaker 3: So I thought, let's do a trial and see how
30:26
Speaker 3: it goes. Well, the trial has ended, and so has
30:30
Speaker 3: the ability for ladies to lunch at the Savage Club.
30:34
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to interrupt, did you four they are of
30:37
Speaker 3: the four hundred and fifty eight supported having women at
30:41
Speaker 3: the Math Club.
30:42
Speaker 5: But I've got to say it is it's a men's club.
30:46
Speaker 3: I don't have an issue with the fact that they
30:49
Speaker 3: don't want to have ladies.
30:50
Speaker 1: I'm flabber guest, because we were talking about this story
30:53
Speaker 1: last week, they had and what do you call it,
30:56
Speaker 1: extraordinary general meeting called by some of the members of
30:58
Speaker 1: the Savage Club in Melbour to say we don't like
31:01
Speaker 1: this trial. What the hell was the club doing in
31:05
Speaker 1: the first place, having a trial to let women come
31:07
Speaker 1: into the club where only four of the four hundred
31:10
Speaker 1: odd members said they wanted it in the first place.
31:13
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a joke. So they've had the meeting
31:15
Speaker 1: and they've managed to get rid of it. I mean,
31:17
Speaker 1: it's a men's club. Why can't it just be for me?
31:21
Speaker 1: Why do they want to thrust women in me?
31:24
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's the point. And there are women's clubs.
31:29
Speaker 4: I don't think they're particularly like. I've never been to one.
31:32
Speaker 4: I don't know what goes down at the women's clubs.
31:34
Speaker 1: Well, no, I haven't been to one either, but I'm
31:36
Speaker 1: told the Ethnem Club in Melbourne.
31:38
Speaker 5: Is very nice, very nice.
31:39
Speaker 4: Well, someone could get me an invite. I'd love to
31:41
Speaker 4: come check it out.
31:43
Speaker 1: But no.
31:43
Speaker 4: And that's the point. We have to defend single sex spaces.
31:46
Speaker 4: It rubs us when we've been conditioned to sort of
31:51
Speaker 4: see men's only activities as somehow.
31:55
Speaker 5: Uncouth or on the nose.
31:57
Speaker 4: The idea of a men's club naturally like, oh, but
32:00
Speaker 4: of course women should be able to join. That seems
32:02
Speaker 4: a bit outdated, But no, the principle is the same.
32:06
Speaker 4: You have to have single sex spaces. But I do
32:09
Speaker 4: love the arguments that some people raise.
32:11
Speaker 5: It was because of.
32:11
Speaker 4: Their boisterous bohemian behavior and the risk of angry Karens
32:17
Speaker 4: across the dining room being mad when they're at the clubs, So,
32:21
Speaker 4: you know, a win for the man, I guess.
32:23
Speaker 1: And I think the reason, the ultimate reason they want
32:25
Speaker 1: to do away with these men's clubs and get women
32:28
Speaker 1: in there is because they hate the idea that men
32:32
Speaker 1: can actually have somewhere to be men. Yeah, and you know,
32:35
Speaker 1: like in the world of toxic masculinity, everything a man
32:40
Speaker 1: does that may be a bit boisterous or it tells
32:42
Speaker 1: a blue joke, it's like, oh, it must be struck
32:44
Speaker 1: off and gotten rid off forever. You can't have any
32:47
Speaker 1: of that. That's why they want to put women in there.
32:49
Speaker 1: So men feel uncomfortable to say and do things that
32:52
Speaker 1: they wouldn't do around women. Doesn't mean that they're bad blokes.
32:55
Speaker 1: In fact, it shows that they have some insight if
32:57
Speaker 1: there are things that they wouldn't say around women, just
33:00
Speaker 1: as I'm sure when groups of women gather together they
33:04
Speaker 1: have conversations that they wouldn't have in front of their husbands.
33:08
Speaker 1: It's just the way the world works. Leave it as
33:12
Speaker 1: it is, please, I'm glad that men and women are different.
33:16
Speaker 1: Let's go over to the United States, where an interesting
33:19
Speaker 1: legal precedent may well be set now. The Department of
33:23
Speaker 1: Justice is using laws that stop you from impeding someone's
33:29
Speaker 1: ability to get into an abortion clinic to sue. A
33:33
Speaker 1: number of activists and protesters protested last year out the
33:37
Speaker 1: front of a synagogue basically saying that they're using these
33:41
Speaker 1: laws to say you can't impede someone's ability to get
33:45
Speaker 1: into a place of worship. This was in New Jersey
33:48
Speaker 1: last year, and we should notice it wasn't that they
33:52
Speaker 1: went worshiping at the time. There was an event there
33:55
Speaker 1: to sell real estate in Israel. So I had these
33:58
Speaker 1: pro Palestinians turn up and said, oh, you're selling land
34:02
Speaker 1: on souln land and all this sort of business, right,
34:05
Speaker 1: and there was some violence involved. But this case seems
34:09
Speaker 1: to be run on the basis that these protesters gathering
34:13
Speaker 1: were impeding the ability of someone to get into a
34:16
Speaker 1: place of worship. And I get the point, like, you
34:21
Speaker 1: shouldn't be able to block anyone from getting into any
34:23
Speaker 1: building as far as I'm concerned, protests go for your life,
34:26
Speaker 1: couldn't give us stuff and just don't get in the
34:29
Speaker 1: way of people going about their everyday lives. But is
34:32
Speaker 1: the danger that you set a precedent that you can't
34:36
Speaker 1: protest out the front of a place of worship and
34:38
Speaker 1: you almost make that a protected area above everything else.
34:42
Speaker 3: But should I feel as though a place of worship
34:45
Speaker 3: should be a protected area?
34:47
Speaker 1: Why more than anything else.
34:48
Speaker 3: Because that's somewhere that should be a peaceful place. That's
34:51
Speaker 3: where people should go and feel safe, because we've seen
34:54
Speaker 3: what's been happening over in the US. You want to
34:56
Speaker 3: be able to go there and pray or whatever you
35:00
Speaker 3: do with your different pleas you worship. But I just
35:03
Speaker 3: think it's a sacred place. It's somewhere that you should
35:05
Speaker 3: feel safe to go to with your community and not
35:07
Speaker 3: have protesters out the front making you feel like you're unsafe.
35:11
Speaker 4: And the reality is the president is already there. They
35:14
Speaker 4: were just using legislation that was previously banning Christians from
35:18
Speaker 4: intervening and holding rallies and supporting people outside abortion clinics.
35:23
Speaker 4: Now they're just using the left's own laws to say,
35:26
Speaker 4: how about we protect the Jewish community. So I am
35:30
Speaker 4: more on the side of absolute free speech myself. I
35:32
Speaker 4: would say, let's just get rid of all of these
35:35
Speaker 4: laws basically, as long as we can maintain public order.
35:39
Speaker 4: But you know what, if the Left has put these
35:41
Speaker 4: laws into place to protect abortion clinics, why not use
35:44
Speaker 4: them to protect the Jewish community.
35:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get what you're saying, but you know, one
35:48
Speaker 1: day it'll be you can't do it at the front
35:49
Speaker 1: of a mosque either. When there's something going I just
35:52
Speaker 1: think it's a dangerous president to see. Everything should be
35:55
Speaker 1: on the agenda. Everything is up for criticism. After the break,
35:58
Speaker 1: we'll get into the paper. You probably know the story
36:02
Speaker 1: of these theories that Tasmani reward and they've been sitting
36:04
Speaker 1: over in Scotland for years. They still haven't got them
36:07
Speaker 1: and now, having not had a single voyage, be pain
36:10
Speaker 1: to upgrade for the years. That's more coming up radio.
36:20
Speaker 1: Let's find out what's going on in the world tomorrow.
36:23
Speaker 1: We'll start with the Herold Sun.
36:24
Speaker 3: Jamie we are. And there's a really interesting story that
36:27
Speaker 3: is on the front page.
36:29
Speaker 5: Cure for Kids.
36:30
Speaker 1: Now.
36:31
Speaker 3: This is a Melbourne medical marvel where in a major breakthrough,
36:35
Speaker 3: Melbourne researchers have found a cure for drug resistant epilepsy
36:38
Speaker 3: in children after creating an AI detective which locates brain
36:42
Speaker 3: lesions smaller than a blueberry. Spotting these tiny seizure causing
36:46
Speaker 3: lesions with medical imaging alone has been difficult and often
36:50
Speaker 3: delayed life changing surgery for young children. So now that
36:53
Speaker 3: they've been using this imaging with an advanced AI tool,
36:56
Speaker 3: eleven Australian children with uncontrolled seizures have been cured after
37:00
Speaker 3: taking part in a landmark study published on Wednesday. I
37:04
Speaker 3: think this just sounds like the most incredible discovery. And
37:08
Speaker 3: to think that AI is now able to be used
37:10
Speaker 3: in medical breakthroughs now too.
37:13
Speaker 5: See, AI is not all bad kalah.
37:15
Speaker 1: Thank god. It's doing something good for the world, I
37:18
Speaker 1: have to say, you know, and good for people's helfles.
37:22
Speaker 1: You know, we've talked about the Elil Musk is making
37:25
Speaker 1: these brain chips neuralink he wants to give to people,
37:28
Speaker 1: which you know, again I worry about what happens if
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Speaker 1: you start putting that in everyone's brains. But for people
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Speaker 1: who have neurological issues that they can fix with this technology,
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Speaker 1: we should just be throwing every dollar that we can
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Speaker 1: find at it. Because much like the new vanguard of
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Speaker 1: war is going to be online and AI and drones,
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Speaker 1: all this sort of stuff, I think, so you need
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Speaker 1: the same in the medical world.
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Speaker 3: So we are sticking with the Herald Sun with another article,
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Speaker 3: So many crimes, so few cops. Thousands of Victorian victims
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Speaker 3: of crime are being denied justice as the number of
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Speaker 3: unsolved cases have sowed to almost three hundred thousand, the
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Speaker 3: most on record in a year. Crime Statistics Agency figures
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Speaker 3: show almost half of all reported crimes in the past
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Speaker 3: twelve months remain unsolved. The two hundred and ninety six
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Speaker 3: thousand unsolved cases is a one hundred and eighty one
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Speaker 3: thousand increase on the previous year. A mide a worsening
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Speaker 3: resourcing issue that has put an estimated two thousand police
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Speaker 3: off the beat and forced dozens of stations to close.
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Speaker 5: Or cut hours.
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Speaker 3: Now police have said that this is obviously hindering investigations
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Speaker 3: because they're being stretched, they don't have enough staff. This
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Speaker 3: just seems like more and more issues coming out of
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Speaker 3: that state.
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Speaker 4: I mean, half of all crimes being unsolved after a year.
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Speaker 5: That is just shocking. That is so bad. Now I
38:54
Speaker 5: want to know what.
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Speaker 4: The statistics are like in other states, because surely that's
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Speaker 4: an anomaly. I mean, fifty percent is absolutely shocking, and
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Speaker 4: an eighty thousand increase versus last year. Victoria's policing system,
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Speaker 4: it's justice system, is in crisis mode right now.
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Speaker 5: And I don't know how.
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Speaker 4: The citizens of Victoria have any confidence in law enforcement
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Speaker 4: if they can't solve half of all crimes.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, last time I talked about a chap
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Speaker 1: he was out Dope of the Day for Monday who
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Speaker 1: carjacked an elderly woman and said he did it for
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Speaker 1: something to do. I mean, it's a totally believable excuse
39:33
Speaker 1: when you start looking at numbers like this, because the
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Speaker 1: chances are you're not going to.
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Speaker 4: Get caught for anything, so why wouldn't you commit driving exactly?
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Speaker 4: And when people think that, well, then you remove the
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Speaker 4: deterrence to commit crimes, and then it's only going to
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Speaker 4: make the problem worse. Moving on to the Australian Tomorrow
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Speaker 4: Peace Inc. President's audacious Gaza startup. Hamas has been given
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Speaker 4: a final chance to end the war and gun or
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Speaker 4: face annihilation after Donald Trump unveiled an audacious peace plan
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Speaker 4: requiring the Palestinian enclave to be governed by an international
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Speaker 4: body he would lead. Anthony Albinizi backed the plan and
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Speaker 4: urged all parties to the conflict to bring its vision
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Speaker 4: into reality, as Jewish groups demanded the Prime Minister use
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Speaker 4: his newfound connections with Palestine's factions to help get it
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Speaker 4: across the line. The US President said it was a
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Speaker 4: historic day as he unveiled his twenty point piece plan
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Speaker 4: requiring her Master to release the remaining hostages within seventy
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Speaker 4: two hours, laid down its weapons in return for a
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Speaker 4: phase withdrawal of Israel's forces and the longer term redevelopment
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Speaker 4: of the territory. Now it all sounds great in theory,
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Speaker 4: but materially what's changed. This will still require Hamas to
40:53
Speaker 4: give up the hostages and lay down their weapons, two
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Speaker 4: things we know they absolutely.
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Speaker 5: Do not want to do. So I'm fully supportive of this.
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Speaker 4: I'm glad Albanese has finally seen the line and started
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Speaker 4: to support the US's initiatives in Gaza. But will Hamas
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Speaker 4: agree to this, that's the fundamental question.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, it remains to be seen.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad there's something concrete on the table. It's supported
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Speaker 1: by most of the hour of world, which is great
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Speaker 1: because to get anything done in that region you need
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Speaker 1: some level of consensus, and it seems in this case
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Speaker 1: we do have that, which is good. Now it's up
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Speaker 1: to the terrorists and make up.
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Speaker 3: The well exactly, and that's the one big issue here
41:37
Speaker 3: is we are dealing with a terrorist organization, so be
41:41
Speaker 3: wait and see what they come back with.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 4: Also in the Australian Tomorrow, UNI surge in self declared
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Speaker 4: disabilities this is an exclusive mental illness ADHD and autism
41:54
Speaker 4: are surging among university students as record numbers self declared
41:59
Speaker 4: discibil ability. One in twenty Australian students who started a
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Speaker 4: university degree last year cited a mental health condition including
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Speaker 4: anxiety or depression, with one and forty declaring a neurological
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Speaker 4: condition including autism or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. The number
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Speaker 4: of students declaring a disability has searched nineteen percent in.
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Speaker 5: The past four years. Now we've seen this growing trend
42:26
Speaker 5: in the.
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Speaker 4: NDIS, the explosion in people being diagnosed with disabilities, but
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Speaker 4: to have one in twenty at our universities also claiming
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Speaker 4: that and therefore probably claiming all the special considerations, the
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Speaker 4: extra exam time and learning support. I mean, seriously, is
42:44
Speaker 4: this just another example of disability diagnoses being handed out left,
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Speaker 4: right and center.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it certainly seems like an issue right across the
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Speaker 3: board when you look at how many young children are
42:55
Speaker 3: currently on NDIS, you look at the numbers here, which
42:58
Speaker 3: just seems so excessive. One in twenty Australian students who
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Speaker 3: start a university degree have a cited mental health condition.
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Speaker 3: So I think there's something else that's going on here,
43:08
Speaker 3: and whether it is to your point that they're going
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Speaker 3: to get dispensation as part of their degree, and it's something,
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Speaker 3: it's something that we need to be investigating because there
43:15
Speaker 3: seems to be a lot more diagnosis these days than
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Speaker 3: what it was in the past.
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Speaker 4: And I have no doubt that a lot of young
43:21
Speaker 4: people do have mental health issues. I mean, all the
43:24
Speaker 4: data says that. But that's the problem, Like, we can't
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Speaker 4: just keep solving this through more handouts or more special
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Speaker 4: conditions at university or school. We need to actually get
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Speaker 4: to the root cause here, and we don't seem to
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Speaker 4: be doing that.
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Speaker 1: If you listen to the avs. One in five people
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Speaker 1: in this country are disabled. Let's sinking on the front
43:45
Speaker 1: of the Daily Telegraph tomorrow, of course, the story of
43:49
Speaker 1: the day about poor old Keith Urban and Nicole that
43:53
Speaker 1: they've split up. What's going on there? The you know
43:57
Speaker 1: love is dead anyway? Now? The story on the front
44:00
Speaker 1: the Telly Tomorrow experts please for cap on tobacconist's shunks
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Speaker 1: charge in where there is smoke. Hundreds of people already
44:07
Speaker 1: bustard for selling illegal vapes and tobacco have been caught
44:10
Speaker 1: trying to apply to a new government license scheme to
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Speaker 1: sell cigarettes, with the state government set to block a
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Speaker 1: thousand operators from the scheme as soon as it starts.
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Speaker 1: It comes amid a war of words between state and
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Speaker 1: federal governments over who is to blame for the explosion
44:23
Speaker 1: in black back at tobacco sales, which is costing the
44:26
Speaker 1: budget billions of dollars in fueling violent organized crime, which
44:31
Speaker 1: just goes to show just how seriously they take me play. Hell.
44:35
Speaker 1: Let me back into the system, even though I've been
44:37
Speaker 1: done already. They know the whole thing is.
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Speaker 3: A joke, they do, and we need to be going
44:43
Speaker 3: and cracking down very hard on this. But it's interesting
44:47
Speaker 3: in this article where they're saying they don't know whether
44:49
Speaker 3: it's the state or federal or who's going to be responsible,
44:52
Speaker 3: who's going to be coming in here to fix this mess. Well,
44:55
Speaker 3: let's have a look now at the Mercury and this
44:58
Speaker 3: is one story that just continue news to go on,
45:01
Speaker 3: and that is the Spirit for hull upgrade, just precautions.
45:06
Speaker 3: So the government has downplayed the seriousness of works on
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Speaker 3: the hull of the new Spirit of Tasmania. For Labour's
45:12
Speaker 3: questioned why the new half billion dollar Fairy needs upgrades
45:16
Speaker 3: before it has even carried a paying passenger. A routine
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Speaker 3: update about the ship's project on Friday revealed the works.
45:22
Speaker 3: The Spirit of Tasmania Recovery Team is delivering the upgraded
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Speaker 3: whole specifications. But I tell you what, guys, it seems
45:29
Speaker 3: like a never ending saga with these ferries in Tasmania.
45:33
Speaker 4: The Fairy and the stadium, Like can is there anything
45:36
Speaker 4: else going on in Tasmania other than the fairies and
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Speaker 4: the stadium?
45:40
Speaker 1: Look at least it's a beautiful place. It does have
45:43
Speaker 1: something going Florida. So after the break they say that
45:46
Speaker 1: cocaine is God's way of telling you you have too
45:49
Speaker 1: much money. Well guess what we found another one paying
45:52
Speaker 1: someone to name your baby for you for And soon
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Speaker 1: it's time for today entry into the day. And today
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Speaker 1: we have a young chap from Sydney who is alleged
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Speaker 1: to be part of a drug ring. Now this mob
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Speaker 1: was allegedly stashing meth into curry boxes. Well done. But
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Speaker 1: he told his parents when he was a young man
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Speaker 1: that he never wanted to have a nine to five job,
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Speaker 1: and his parents insisted that he get a nine to
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Speaker 1: five job. And he said to them, quote and this
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Speaker 1: pops up in the court documents. I beat that f
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Speaker 1: and s hi t out of them. I E. I'm
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Speaker 1: going to find a job that is not nine to five. Well,
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Speaker 1: again it is alleged, but I will say you report
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Speaker 1: you so. And look, sometimes life just comes at you fast,
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Speaker 1: doesn't it.
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Speaker 5: Well, he didn't want a nine to five jobs, be creative.
46:54
Speaker 5: That he's ended up.
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Speaker 3: Being creative, just like this next story where any expected parents.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's hard to try and find what to
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Speaker 3: name your baby. Well, one woman over in America, she
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Speaker 3: charges forty five thousand dollars for that service. She said
47:10
Speaker 3: it's quite an important job, and she often hires think
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Speaker 3: tanks where they go around a table and find the
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Speaker 3: most appropriate name so that it's not too common, not boring,
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Speaker 3: not too trendy, but slightly trendy and well for forty
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Speaker 3: five thousand dollars, it is hard. I must say, I've
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Speaker 3: got two boys, and naming the two boys is certainly
47:30
Speaker 3: a tough thing to do. But to pay forty five
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Speaker 3: douss you can actually get a ten thousand dollar service
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Speaker 3: as well. Forty five thousand dollars is the budget whole shebang.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to do it for nine hundred nine to
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Speaker 1: cut the whole lot of them forgot it. If you
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Speaker 1: are paying someone forty five grand to name your child
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Speaker 1: for you, just write the check out the color bond
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Speaker 1: and send it to me, because I can tell you
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Speaker 1: I could do with it a lot more than that person. Good,
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Speaker 1: what are you doing? What the money do you have?
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Speaker 1: If you speak forty five k to get someone the
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Speaker 1: name you keep?
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Speaker 3: And it does sound like she's actually quite busy.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I's got a lot of clients. Well, that does
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Speaker 4: shock me. That sounds like a pretty fun job, though.
48:09
Speaker 4: I feel like naming babies would be a lot of fun.
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Speaker 4: You get to know the family and the parents.
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Speaker 5: That's quite a lot good time, a lot of money. Though.
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Speaker 5: Fill out a survey like.
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Speaker 1: What is wrong? What is wrong with people? And I
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Speaker 1: hope if they're doing I hope they're actually coming out
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Speaker 1: with decent names. Did you see some of the names
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Speaker 1: on kids these days? God will hire that lady? Oh?
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Speaker 4: Well, maybe they did, and that's the problem. Some of
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Speaker 4: the celebrity names are bad. But speaking of celebrities, Baron
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Speaker 4: Trump allegedly went on a date with a girl at
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Speaker 4: Trump Tower and security had to.
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Speaker 5: Block off the entire floor.
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Speaker 4: I think going on a date with a guy who
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Speaker 4: has his name on the building is a lot already.
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Speaker 4: Blocking off an entire floor that is next level. But
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Speaker 4: I guess if you're going out with the president's son,
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Speaker 4: you can't really expect anything less.
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Speaker 3: Well, apparently it's hard to secure.
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Speaker 5: They need.
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Speaker 3: Security needs to be able to keep track of Baron.
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Speaker 5: With all the ladies coming after him.
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Speaker 1: At least, though, you know when I don't know whether
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Speaker 1: he gets on the apps or what he does. But
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Speaker 1: you know he can say meet me, meet me, meet
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Speaker 1: me at my joint and to ask where the addresses
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Speaker 1: they just turned up A trumped out thank you very
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Speaker 1: much for watching tonight. That's is from us up next
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