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Clueless with Nikki Glaser · The Bechdel Cast

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Speaker 1: On the dol Cast. The questions asked if movies have
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Speaker 1: women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and
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Speaker 1: husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy ze invest
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Speaker 1: start changing it with the Betel Cast. Oh that smells
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Speaker 1: so bad, I will go to the Vectel Cast. My
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Speaker 1: name is Jamie, my name is Caitlin. I just opened
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Speaker 1: a MIC's hard lemonade, and boy does it smell like
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Speaker 1: cough syruph? What did I get that? You got the
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Speaker 1: right flavor the strawberry lemonade. You got the right flavor
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Speaker 1: is that it's like sugar. It's like juice, um, juice
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Speaker 1: that makes you do bad things. This is the Vectel Cast.
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Speaker 1: Should we tell them what it is? We can. It's
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Speaker 1: a podcast about the representation and portrayal of women characters
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Speaker 1: in movies. It's inspired by the Bechtel Test. Wow, if
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Speaker 1: you don't know what it is, I'm about to tell you,
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Speaker 1: grow up. The It's a test that requires that two
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Speaker 1: women in a movie or show or something like that
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Speaker 1: speak to each other, and it has to be about
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Speaker 1: something other than a man. Preferably these people have names.
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Speaker 1: But sometimes that is asking too much. Sometimes it is
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Speaker 1: and that. That really is it? How are you? Are
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Speaker 1: you good? I'm good? Good? How are you? I'm great,
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Speaker 1: I'm glad we do this little check. It's never been better. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: all right, let's get to it. Yeah, let's do it.
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Speaker 1: Our guest is a very funny comedian. She had a
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Speaker 1: show on Comedy Central called not Safe Nicky Glazer. Hey,
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Speaker 1: guys here, thanks for having me. I'm a big fan
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Speaker 1: of this test. A good tests, and there's not many
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Speaker 1: tests that one can claim to be a fan of. No.
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Speaker 1: I think this is UM pregnancy tests, AIDS tests, and
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Speaker 1: then this one. Yeah that's all. You know what? One
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Speaker 1: time I took like an ap CALC test and I
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Speaker 1: aced it and I felt great about that test. Good.
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Speaker 1: How did you actually do on the AP exam? Though? Oh,
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Speaker 1: I never took any of the APE exam. I got
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Speaker 1: a five on the English and a two on the French.
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Speaker 1: It's literally like my only thing that I can brag
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Speaker 1: about scholastically. That's great, though otherwise I was pretty average.
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Speaker 1: I think I would have gotten like a two if
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Speaker 1: I took the API English test. Yeah, I just something
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Speaker 1: was right that day. It was I think it was
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Speaker 1: the day George Harrison died I remember driving to the test.
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Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. Yeah, I just remember I took
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Speaker 1: a test on the day George Harrison died and I
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Speaker 1: was just like, my sweet lord, my s A t
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Speaker 1: UM I took as the SA T is at a
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Speaker 1: different school with like all these really cool girls that
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Speaker 1: I was afraid to talk to, and um, I got
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Speaker 1: my period and I didn't have a pat and I
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Speaker 1: was afraid to talk to them. So I free bled
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Speaker 1: during my s A t S and got the second
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Speaker 1: highest score in the entire high school. Yeah it was
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Speaker 1: not amazing. Yeah, I really drew from within that. Well
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Speaker 1: there's a tip for you. Para white jeans, Oh my god,
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Speaker 1: the worst. Why are we so embarrassed to ask for
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Speaker 1: That's another thing, Like they're making tampons just smaller and
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Speaker 1: smaller so we can just like palm them to each
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Speaker 1: other like drugs. Yeah, yeah, it's I always like parade
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Speaker 1: myne like I've got a tampon, Like it's so it's funny.
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Speaker 1: I I don't understand adult women who are still like
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Speaker 1: it's like like they'll disguise the packaging two so that
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Speaker 1: you think it could be something else. It's like, why
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Speaker 1: does that? Yeah, I'm like a big proponent of the maxipad.
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Speaker 1: That is like the thickness of war and peace, three
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Speaker 1: of them around at all times. I want there to
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Speaker 1: be a movie character that, like, instead of Edwards scissor Hands,
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Speaker 1: it's like Sally tampon hands, and then for each of
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Speaker 1: our five fingers, it's just a tampon, and I'm just like, hey,
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Speaker 1: she's very proud to display your Tampon's a friend to all. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I know. On inside, Amy Schumer, Uh, they had a
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Speaker 1: commercial that was like a tampon saxophone, and it was
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Speaker 1: a saxophone that hid your tampon so it wouldn't be embarrassed,
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Speaker 1: but you could go to the bathroom with a huge
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Speaker 1: sex me too. It's great there. We haven't mentioned your
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Speaker 1: obo in a while. We haven't mentioned my obow in
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Speaker 1: a while. I mean, just an update on it. It's
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Speaker 1: still in the back seat of my car. I'm still
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Speaker 1: waiting for an oboe emergency. One day there will be
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Speaker 1: one and I will be there. It is amazing how
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Speaker 1: many Like when I'm hanging out with someone and I'll
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Speaker 1: try to bring it into conversation and be like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I've got an Obo in the back of my car.
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Speaker 1: If you ever need and obo, do you play the obo?
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Speaker 1: I used to, yeah in high school, and I remember
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Speaker 1: I forced my friend uh to listen to me play
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Speaker 1: a scale a couple of weeks ago. So still got it,
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Speaker 1: still resents all of that. I will I will honestly
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Speaker 1: call me at any hour of the day. That's friendship.
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Speaker 1: I'll come over. Is there any scale popular song that
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Speaker 1: has an oboe in it that you can just tell
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Speaker 1: me right now? Uh? There? I can think of a
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Speaker 1: bride eye song? Okay, which one make a plan to
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Speaker 1: Love Me from Cassaday Grafter? Okay? I don't know that one,
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Speaker 1: but not okay, I do know. Yeah, there's and it's
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Speaker 1: in Peter and the Wolf like it's the Duck, which
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Speaker 1: is pretty awful, and that's what they would call it. Okay.
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Speaker 1: So the answer my question was no, it's not a
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Speaker 1: popular instrument and people don't seem to ever want it around.
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Speaker 1: But in case they do, Sunday, you're prepared. There'll be
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Speaker 1: a day someday there'll be an orchestra in Trouble to
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Speaker 1: play a scale. Yeah. Hey, shall we talk about the movie? Fine?
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Speaker 1: The movie we're talking about today is Clueless, NICKI went,
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Speaker 1: had you first seen it? I saw it when I
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Speaker 1: was when it first came out, So what was that? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so I was in sixth grade, like early sixth grade. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I remember my dad took me and my friends and
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Speaker 1: I just loved it. And I didn't get all the
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Speaker 1: satire and actual humor until way later. It was just
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Speaker 1: like a fun you know ROMP totally. Yeah, what about you, Jamie?
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Speaker 1: I think I saw it. I saw it in middle
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Speaker 1: school originally. Again, I most likely watched the TBS cut
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Speaker 1: version of it, so who knows how much I actually saw. Um,
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Speaker 1: But there isn't that much like there's no it's just
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Speaker 1: where there's any like suggestion of sexuality is like, it's
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Speaker 1: not something I think would have to be censored on
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Speaker 1: the TBS just cuts it down for commercials and they
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Speaker 1: take out Like I would love to interview the person
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Speaker 1: who does the TBS cuts because like what an innovator
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Speaker 1: of the form. So many interesting corners got Uh yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean there's I was like fine tuned to it
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Speaker 1: because I'm like, oh what did I miss? They say
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Speaker 1: ship quite a bit and I was like, oh, that
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Speaker 1: would have given me such a such a kick. But
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Speaker 1: now you gotta go to the mike's harder. That's why
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Speaker 1: I'm hitting the mics harder, so harder. It's bad. Um.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I saw in middle school and I loved it,
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Speaker 1: and I haven't seen it in years. Yeah, I don't
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Speaker 1: think I saw it until I was maybe early college.
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Speaker 1: I watched it again, you know, to prep for this episode,
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Speaker 1: and I forgot that I liked this movie. It's good.
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Speaker 1: It's probably the movie I've seen more than any other movie, really,
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Speaker 1: and so I could recite it nice like. So that's
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Speaker 1: kind of aged really well to the fashion is still
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Speaker 1: good and Paul Rudd hasn't aged at all a day. God,
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Speaker 1: he's a mummy. You let's start that rumor. I'm always
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Speaker 1: like to start a good mummy rumor. Yeah, Paul, and
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Speaker 1: it's a complimentary rumor, but yeah, he's a mummy. I
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Speaker 1: like that you picked mummy and not vampire. Mummies are
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Speaker 1: like he wrapped himself. Definitely not a mummy because of
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Speaker 1: how he looks. Vampire. We could maybe because vampires are
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Speaker 1: young and mummies live forever. Oh, I guess they're like
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Speaker 1: dad and they just keep living. But there are they're
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Speaker 1: very stitched upping. I got a lot of bandages. They're
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Speaker 1: not known for looking young. I'm sticking with it cool.
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Speaker 1: I want Paul Rod to be my mommy. It's like
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Speaker 1: hey daddy, but hey mommy. I barely thought it was
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Speaker 1: gay in that movie. Like he comes off like I
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Speaker 1: thought he not in the movie because he's straight in
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Speaker 1: the movie. But like when he's like, we got Markie
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Speaker 1: marked to plant a celebrity tree. I always can play
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Speaker 1: that over and over. We got Marky Marked, I thought
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Speaker 1: was a reference to Boogie Nights. Turns out Clueless came
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Speaker 1: out two years before Marky Mark was nothing then, like
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Speaker 1: he was a joke. Then oh you got Marky Marked
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Speaker 1: and he was in Beetball Diaries a time from his
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Speaker 1: pants dropping schedule. But now it would be a huge
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Speaker 1: deal to get more Wahlberg to plan a celebrity trail.
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Speaker 1: That's why I thought it was a Bookie Nights thing.
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Speaker 1: I thought they were like, oh, he dropped his pants
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Speaker 1: and shows his big dick and Boogie Nights. I just
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Speaker 1: did that movie That's so funny a couple episodes ago. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but no, it turns out they were foreshadowing Boogie Nights
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Speaker 1: and Clueless. Yes, so wow, what a what an innovative
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Speaker 1: movie Clueless it is. It's so good. Yeah, Paula Red
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Speaker 1: looks exactly the same as he probably did this morning,
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Speaker 1: given that he's a mummy. That's how mummies operate. Um,
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Speaker 1: Alicia Silverstone is so great, so good. I forgot that
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Speaker 1: there's a character in this movie with braces, Murray and
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Speaker 1: that really I'm keeping it real. I'm keeping it real.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna just keep quoting it. I'm sorry, but like,
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Speaker 1: his gooey braces are so funny. Yeah, and I think
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Speaker 1: you never see that in high school movies. I'm assuming
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Speaker 1: that they were real or I don't know, maybe yeah,
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Speaker 1: good old I'm not sure. From Scrubs. Yeah, I kept
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Speaker 1: calling him Scrubs in my head. I had brunch next
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Speaker 1: to him one day in the Deep Deep Valley. I
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Speaker 1: was just going to say, I just had brunch next
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Speaker 1: to Breck and Meyer, who plays Travis we are brunching
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Speaker 1: with I had when I was deciding whether to move
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Speaker 1: here or not. I got two brunches in a row,
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Speaker 1: which kill me. That's not good. But both times Zach
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Speaker 1: Braff was there alone. Wow, he seemed like he was
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Speaker 1: like but he was projecting the confidence that like it
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Speaker 1: was on purpose. Gotcha. So did it pass the test?
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Speaker 1: I don't know it definitely, yeah it does. Wait, hold on,
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Speaker 1: let me try to think of who. So two women,
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Speaker 1: her and d Dion talk about getting the driver's license.
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Speaker 1: They I mean there's a test every few scenes, I
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Speaker 1: would say, really, yeah, I mean the three main characters,
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Speaker 1: it's Share played by at Leasta silver Stone, and they
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Speaker 1: do talk a lot about men, a lot, a lot.
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Speaker 1: I was thinking of all the conversations. I'm like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's a lot about men. The first I don't know
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Speaker 1: what the first scene you picked up on, but my
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Speaker 1: mind was when d first gets into SHARE's car and
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Speaker 1: they have a talk about what they're wearing, which is,
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Speaker 1: you know, not the best, you know version of that,
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Speaker 1: but it does pass pretty quickly. Yeah. I forgot to
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Speaker 1: actually write down the scenes. I think I was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna lose track, like why bother? But I
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Speaker 1: mean there's scenes where, yeah, they're talking about their clothes
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Speaker 1: and their grades driving, how to drive properly, neither none
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Speaker 1: of them can do very well. I love that the
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Speaker 1: scariest thing that could happen to any of these people
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Speaker 1: in this movie is getting on the freeway. So funny
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Speaker 1: and they and that brings them that that's such a
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Speaker 1: horrifying experience that her D and her boyfriend have sex
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Speaker 1: after that because they're so bonded from their trauma. So funny,
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Speaker 1: so good. Yeah, but yeah, I mean they're like and
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Speaker 1: then um, Share and Tie, like Bernie Murphy, talk an
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Speaker 1: awful lot about things that aren't men. So it passes
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Speaker 1: the test. Like I said, every few scenes, right, there's
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Speaker 1: I think that there is at least one scene even
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Speaker 1: though there's at least one scene with the teacher I
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Speaker 1: can't remember her name. Yeah, miss guys, miss guys. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: there's a few scenes with D and Share and talking
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Speaker 1: about the hurricane and um god, where was it? Something
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Speaker 1: beach beach disaster and she's like, Daddy, they lost everything
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Speaker 1: they need skis too, don't you think that includes sporting equipment?
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Speaker 1: Very good, Share, I love Shares, Dad love Dad. What
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Speaker 1: a great like. I mean, every the casting in that
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Speaker 1: movie is fantastic. It's wonderful. Yeah. Um and and just
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Speaker 1: like a good male parents like that doesn't happen a lot. Yes,
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Speaker 1: and she does have dead mommy syndrome. She does a
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Speaker 1: little Disney princess with no mommy. But but her mom
13:03
Speaker 1: died in a lipos action accident, so I forgot about that.
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Speaker 1: That's so, and they have an oil painting of her
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Speaker 1: in their home. That's my dream, not a good oil painting.
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Speaker 1: I don't want my child to know me, and I
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Speaker 1: want there to be an oil painting in my home.
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Speaker 1: So real quick, I'll do a recap of this story.
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Speaker 1: There's no necessarily like cohesive narrative in terms of like
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Speaker 1: this character wants something and they're gonna go out and
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Speaker 1: get I mean, like they're in high school. They want
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Speaker 1: like a boyfriend, they want love, they want friendship. I
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Speaker 1: feel like Sharon wants to help. That's like her vague
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Speaker 1: and she wants a boyfriend right, and she wants to
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Speaker 1: have sex. That pretty much she wants to grow up.
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Speaker 1: She has a close friend named Dion, played by the
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Speaker 1: just wonderful Stay. I saw that coming. I used to
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Speaker 1: love her so much. That's upsetting. She pulled a Dennis Miller.
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Speaker 1: They go to high school together in Beverly Hills. Um
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Speaker 1: Shares dad is a litigator. He's like, you know, overprotective,
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Speaker 1: and he always wants her to argue her way out
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Speaker 1: of any problem she has and you know, they go
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Speaker 1: to high school. They have friends. Some of them are
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Speaker 1: like loser, stoner guys, some of them are popular boys.
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Speaker 1: They go to parties. I don't know, this is a
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Speaker 1: bad recap. There's a character with braces. The character and
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Speaker 1: she has a stepbrother who lives with her, who is
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Speaker 1: very annoying and then becomes kind of a player in
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Speaker 1: her group of friends. Right, So her like former stepbrother's right,
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Speaker 1: which is what makes this chart. Okay, who was like
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Speaker 1: the most freshman in college person of all time? And
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Speaker 1: this is the first time I watched this movie that
14:47
Speaker 1: I was old enough to be able to appreciate that,
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Speaker 1: because I don't think I've seen it in a long time.
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Speaker 1: But I was like, all those vague like sociology quotes
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Speaker 1: are like the little good reading nic at the beginning,
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Speaker 1: right right, I was like, oh, you're nineteen. Yeah. So
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Speaker 1: Josh played by Paul rod um Is shares former step brother,
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Speaker 1: but his mom and her dad got married and then divorced,
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Speaker 1: so they're not related in any way anymore, which is
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Speaker 1: good because when they end up together she finds out
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Speaker 1: at the like towards the end of the movie, she's like,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, this whole time I've loved Josh. What
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Speaker 1: a great sequence I love like heads like, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: I love Josh. I'm madly crazy, but love in love
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Speaker 1: with something that in love with Josh and I don't
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Speaker 1: know how to tell him. And then she goes home
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Speaker 1: and she's so awkward around him, which is so great
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Speaker 1: because the second you start liking someone, you can't keep
15:51
Speaker 1: it cool. No, not at all. And she's like, I
15:53
Speaker 1: care about the news. I thought they declared peace in
15:57
Speaker 1: the Middle East. But yeah, they have a great little
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Speaker 1: kiss at the end and they're like goes to like
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Speaker 1: playfully hit him and he's like, no, we're kissing. Oh
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Speaker 1: that's a good that's a good one. That was one
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Speaker 1: of the kisses I studied as a teen to be like,
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Speaker 1: how do you yes that? And can't hardly wait? Those
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Speaker 1: were my two kisses that I studied. And I was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: you have to like blink and like Jennifer of Hewitt
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Speaker 1: and that kissing study at kids learned from the Master.
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Speaker 1: Her body is a Wonderland? What movie is it? Where
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Speaker 1: like the boys are like you gotta make her look
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Speaker 1: up at the stars and then kisser is that that movie? Okay?
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Speaker 1: That comment, No, people somewhere out there's like knows that
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Speaker 1: movie and is happy said that tweet at us. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I love share in Christians relations with you had my
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Speaker 1: best friend in high school. We ended up nicknaming each
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Speaker 1: other's sharing Christian because the syndrome of like I was
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Speaker 1: the last girl he asked out before he was like
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Speaker 1: okay all the time, and I'm like, oh good, I
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Speaker 1: broke you um and I love I love how you
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Speaker 1: know he we learned he's a gay character, and it's
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Speaker 1: and then they're just immediately friends for the rest of
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Speaker 1: the movie, and it's there's not a confrontation, there's like
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Speaker 1: nothing like that. Like Shaff for all of her weirdness,
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Speaker 1: is such an accepting, cool person and like doesn't I
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Speaker 1: don't know, like even when people funk up, she either
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Speaker 1: finds a way to help or cut them out of
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Speaker 1: her life in a kind of like I was like, man,
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Speaker 1: she manages her life more healthily than I do. She
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Speaker 1: does and she's uh for a popular girl, she's not
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Speaker 1: a bit And I think Dione has some of those
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Speaker 1: qualities of like judgmental, and especially with Britney Murphy's character
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Speaker 1: in the Beginning and Amber of Course, it is like
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Speaker 1: the villain character and she's a bit too and um,
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Speaker 1: but Share was always like so lovely and she's nice
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Speaker 1: to Travis after he gets sober, and like, you know,
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Speaker 1: I love and then I love the sequence where she
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Speaker 1: doesn't make over on Britney Marphine. Yeah god yeah. So
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Speaker 1: I have some conflicting thoughts about this movie because on
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Speaker 1: one hand, it's about and then someone else. We can
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Speaker 1: mostly do that, but um, on one hand, it's like
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Speaker 1: about this she's good, but she's also like kind of vapid,
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Speaker 1: slightly airheaded, but also kind of smart, materialistic, Beverly Hills
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Speaker 1: rich girl, and the movie does like satirize that, but
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Speaker 1: it also kind of glamorizes it. So part of me
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Speaker 1: is like, well, which is like probably why it's confusing
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Speaker 1: for like young people seeing it, being like I just
18:41
Speaker 1: love it when they say as if and they like
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Speaker 1: don't get all the satire and the joke's sort of
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Speaker 1: poking fun at this lifestyle. It's not super over the satire,
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Speaker 1: but um, I don't know, Like it's also a movie
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Speaker 1: that celebrates female friendship and shows mostly them supporting each other. Um,
18:59
Speaker 1: there is like kind of a rivalry between Share and Amber,
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Speaker 1: and then at one point Share and Tie get into
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Speaker 1: an argument and they say some kind of nasty things
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Speaker 1: to each other, but the tears up, but they make
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Speaker 1: up pretty quickly and they apologize and things go back
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Speaker 1: to being good again. So um, mostly it's yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: about Share just like supporting those around her, especially the
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Speaker 1: women in her life. So that's a refreshing thing to see,
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Speaker 1: especially for like a high school We talked about like
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Speaker 1: Heathers on an earlier episode, and that's a movie just
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Speaker 1: about how teenage girls are friends but they also hate
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Speaker 1: each other, right, So it's it was nice to see
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Speaker 1: a different version of high school relationships between women. And
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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, if if we're getting into it,
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Speaker 1: I guess, I mean we can look at the whole
19:51
Speaker 1: Brittany Murphy makeover seen is why are they trying to
19:54
Speaker 1: change or totally why and and she's so and and
19:59
Speaker 1: when they're actively pulling her away from Yeah, even though
20:03
Speaker 1: it's like man connection that scene in the lunch line
20:07
Speaker 1: where she was like I drew Marvin the Martian, I
20:09
Speaker 1: was like, you little cute Stoner's so cute. That scene
20:13
Speaker 1: is so cute. Didn't tra it and I just some
20:17
Speaker 1: little guys over here are Yeah, got her a little.
20:21
Speaker 1: Her accent is so funny, she's so good, she's amazing. Um,
20:25
Speaker 1: this is amazing. Yeah. God, it just got sad me too.
20:29
Speaker 1: I've heard that's really affected me. I was like, really bombed.
20:33
Speaker 1: I mean not that other people don't, but it was
20:36
Speaker 1: just like she was she would be like still working
20:39
Speaker 1: a lot right now, she wouldn't be Stacy dashing Stacy. Also,
20:44
Speaker 1: I looked at Stacy Dash was like twenty six when
20:48
Speaker 1: she was in this movie, just and and she had
20:52
Speaker 1: me full incredible. I mean, almost everyone else in this
20:55
Speaker 1: movie is pretty age appropriate within a few years, with
20:58
Speaker 1: the exception of Stacy Dash. It's crazy. Yeah, it's wild. Um.
21:02
Speaker 1: And then she turned into a Republican, transphobe, racist. Maybe
21:07
Speaker 1: she's a mummy, Maybe she's a mom. Always she's not
21:13
Speaker 1: a good person, And that was so disappointing to learn.
21:16
Speaker 1: You know what I was thinking about when you were
21:17
Speaker 1: saying like some people maybe couldn't see the satire, and
21:20
Speaker 1: I don't know that I saw it all. And I
21:22
Speaker 1: did think some stuff was cool, like her closet was cool,
21:25
Speaker 1: And I don't think they were even trying to make
21:26
Speaker 1: that seem like the computer. I mean, like, oh my god,
21:30
Speaker 1: that fact doesn't exist. Now makes me That scene where
21:34
Speaker 1: she's like on the computer and there's a program that
21:35
Speaker 1: like matches her outfits. I was like, that's what Ali
21:39
Speaker 1: from Single White Female invented because we mentioned it computer. Yeah,
21:49
Speaker 1: that's so funny, that's why. And that movie came out
21:51
Speaker 1: before this, right, it was like one or nine. This
21:55
Speaker 1: is our Pixar theory. Everything was connected. I really enjoyed
21:59
Speaker 1: all the culture references in this movie. There's a two
22:02
Speaker 1: thousand one the Space Honesty illusion where she's like waiting
22:06
Speaker 1: for Christian to call her and it's her like it's
22:08
Speaker 1: just like this on the list of the phone, and
22:10
Speaker 1: then I always wondered what that was until obviously later,
22:14
Speaker 1: but I was like, that was such a weird cinematic choice.
22:17
Speaker 1: And then I was like, Okay, it is good she
22:21
Speaker 1: finally calls. I liked when Murray was explaining to share
22:26
Speaker 1: that Christian was gay and used like oh my like
22:31
Speaker 1: friend of Dorothy that like the strikes and chicken holding. Yeah,
22:37
Speaker 1: I just want to live in the world. Yeah, yeah,
22:39
Speaker 1: I would just want to live in a world where
22:40
Speaker 1: high school boy would have the vocabulary to be able
22:44
Speaker 1: to say that to me. He gives about every boy
22:46
Speaker 1: I had a crush on in high school. He gives
22:49
Speaker 1: another funny speech where he keeps calling Dion he's like
22:52
Speaker 1: a woman, and she's like, don't call me woman. Yeah,
22:55
Speaker 1: and then he's just he says this whole thing like
22:57
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and it's it's there's something and then
23:00
Speaker 1: but it doesn't have to have like misogynistic undertones or
23:03
Speaker 1: something like that. I wish she's like speaking of vehicular sex.
23:08
Speaker 1: I always thought I was like, what is vehicular sex? Like?
23:10
Speaker 1: I thought that was I didn't understand what she was saying.
23:12
Speaker 1: She's like, I found this in the back of your car,
23:15
Speaker 1: and she's like it's one of your stringy things. She's like,
23:17
Speaker 1: I don't where synthetic care. Oh man, there's so many
23:20
Speaker 1: good lines. One of my favorites is they're like the
23:23
Speaker 1: PC term for virgin is challenge. Oh. I was gonna
23:28
Speaker 1: say one of my favorite trivia pieces of this whole
23:31
Speaker 1: movie is when she's giving the R s v P.
23:34
Speaker 1: It does not say R s v P on the
23:36
Speaker 1: Statue of Liberty and she's calling them and she calls
23:39
Speaker 1: the Haitians Haitians that actually she actually made that mistake
23:44
Speaker 1: in like rehearsal, and they were like, don't tell her,
23:47
Speaker 1: just let her do it. And then it was like,
23:50
Speaker 1: it's a it's a nice little uh Easter egg. There's
23:53
Speaker 1: some there's some fun. I love when Share her calls
23:57
Speaker 1: Amber Amne, she's praying form for her, but when you
24:01
Speaker 1: get closed, she's a total mess. Like, but that is
24:06
Speaker 1: like one of the satirical things that you could argue
24:08
Speaker 1: is like, oh, that would be so fun for a
24:11
Speaker 1: young girl to hear. And it totally was and and
24:13
Speaker 1: still is. But if you fail to see the irony
24:16
Speaker 1: in it could maybe plant some seeds of meanness in
24:19
Speaker 1: your tiny little brain. Yeah. I mean, I feel like
24:21
Speaker 1: I was at a very impressionable age when I saw it,
24:23
Speaker 1: when like I started becoming obsessed with celebrity stuff and
24:27
Speaker 1: it became like I'm not good enough. And when I
24:31
Speaker 1: saw that movie, there's wasn't anything in it that really
24:33
Speaker 1: made me feel like I need to be like these people.
24:35
Speaker 1: They were so outlandish and so far removed from what
24:38
Speaker 1: I know. And I think as much as I admired
24:41
Speaker 1: Share and thought she was pretty and had cool clothes, there,
24:44
Speaker 1: I recognize I thought she was nice. I think in
24:47
Speaker 1: the end, she was a nice person, and I didn't
24:51
Speaker 1: like any of the meanness from the other girls. It
24:53
Speaker 1: didn't make me want to be mean. But I'm a
24:55
Speaker 1: nice I was a nice person, So who knows. And
24:57
Speaker 1: there isn't as much of the meanness as you might
24:59
Speaker 1: expect in this movie, like, for example, in Mean Girls,
25:05
Speaker 1: there's a lot more as you might imagine. And I
25:09
Speaker 1: feel like in a lot of movies about high school
25:12
Speaker 1: high school students, high school women especially, there's just so
25:15
Speaker 1: much pettiness and cattiness, and even if their friends are
25:18
Speaker 1: still just nasty to each other. And it's also I
25:21
Speaker 1: thinking towards the end, it's not the worst, even if
25:23
Speaker 1: it's most likely inaccurate in every way, it's not the
25:26
Speaker 1: worst thing to tell young audiences that being very nice,
25:31
Speaker 1: you can be very nice and also be very popular.
25:34
Speaker 1: Like I don't think that that's super normalized idea, especially
25:37
Speaker 1: in you know, the nineties. So it was nice to
25:39
Speaker 1: be like, Oh, she's a decent person, she cares about
25:41
Speaker 1: the people around her, and she's the most popular girl
25:44
Speaker 1: in school, which is kind of like the ending. I
25:48
Speaker 1: do like when she's like she catches the bouquet and
25:51
Speaker 1: she ends up with her ex step brother, which is
25:54
Speaker 1: fine because there's total chemistry and they're not connected anymore.
25:57
Speaker 1: But I love when you're like she kind of does
26:01
Speaker 1: a switch rooney where you think, like, oh my god,
26:04
Speaker 1: she's gonna get married. She's like, you gross, we're not
26:06
Speaker 1: doing if we're not from Kentucky. Like because it is
26:11
Speaker 1: funny because in my mind they're still together, but that
26:14
Speaker 1: was they were in high school, like and he was
26:17
Speaker 1: there's no way they're still together. But I'm like, they
26:19
Speaker 1: found lasting love that will last forever, and it's so didn't.
26:24
Speaker 1: But that's the sort of thing where like three years
26:26
Speaker 1: from then, absolutely, that's like SHARE's party story of like, yeah,
26:30
Speaker 1: I used to date my step brother, Like it's a
26:32
Speaker 1: great party story from She might have gotten into stand
26:36
Speaker 1: up because of that. Oh I wanted to talk about Um,
26:40
Speaker 1: I forget what the name of that asshole character is.
26:46
Speaker 1: He's obviously a piece of ship and oh there's a
26:50
Speaker 1: definite rape. Yeah. I wanted to talk about that scene
26:53
Speaker 1: because Share does the best she possibly can in that
26:58
Speaker 1: situation in the moment, but it was like that was
27:01
Speaker 1: like a scene that didn't register with me the first time.
27:04
Speaker 1: I watched it in this time, we're like, oh my god,
27:06
Speaker 1: like he's trying to rape her, and then she's like, no,
27:10
Speaker 1: leave me alone, and he abandons her in the parking
27:13
Speaker 1: lot of this liquor store. I passed all the time
27:15
Speaker 1: all the time. I loved what I used to pass that.
27:18
Speaker 1: I would be like, but it's a liah and a whata.
27:22
Speaker 1: She's like, that's really expensive designer and he's like, I'm
27:25
Speaker 1: gonna really blow your fucking head off. That's a great part.
27:30
Speaker 1: But but I totally agree with you that that did
27:32
Speaker 1: not stand out to me, is like really that horrible.
27:35
Speaker 1: I was just like, he's a jerk or whatever. But
27:37
Speaker 1: looking back, and I don't even think they intended it
27:40
Speaker 1: for because I think back then in that was not
27:43
Speaker 1: qualified as scenes like the boys were kiss a girl
27:51
Speaker 1: and she didn't feel like kissing him, and but him
27:53
Speaker 1: leaving her, like, yeah, it was that was traumatic. She
27:56
Speaker 1: does say she's like, oh what a night this has become.
27:59
Speaker 1: I was sat really harassed. Oh so she does call
28:03
Speaker 1: it out. But because it seems like that, especially at
28:05
Speaker 1: the time, they were just so normalized, we like see
28:09
Speaker 1: seems like that from that era and even yeah, I
28:11
Speaker 1: mean like I can't cite another one off the top
28:13
Speaker 1: of my head, but for sure we've all seen that
28:16
Speaker 1: exact scene a number of times and it's just like
28:19
Speaker 1: the takeaways supposed to be like she rejected him, not
28:23
Speaker 1: not that like he did anything. Extremely My first kiss
28:27
Speaker 1: was actually very similar to that, and it scared me
28:30
Speaker 1: off from boys for so long. I mean it was
28:33
Speaker 1: already late. I was like sixteen when I had my
28:35
Speaker 1: first kiss. But he just and I was like I
28:37
Speaker 1: liked him, and we both were kind of like we
28:39
Speaker 1: like each other, and we were like in his living
28:41
Speaker 1: room just kind of like you know what, and he
28:42
Speaker 1: just left across the room and like attacked my face
28:45
Speaker 1: and I was like, get off, Like I was just
28:47
Speaker 1: like and he got really upset and like went into
28:51
Speaker 1: his kitchen, was like slamming cabinets and was drinking. I
28:54
Speaker 1: found out. Then he drove me home. He drove me
28:57
Speaker 1: home and was so pissed. We were like good friends,
29:00
Speaker 1: just speeding like through suburbs, and he dropped me off
29:02
Speaker 1: and I got one ft out of the car and
29:04
Speaker 1: he starts speeding off and like I almost like ran
29:06
Speaker 1: me over, which I wouldn't have done had it not
29:11
Speaker 1: been so aggressive. Yes, he literally sprung across the room
29:16
Speaker 1: and then I didn't and then I didn't kiss another
29:18
Speaker 1: boy for like years. That would have been very traumatic.
29:24
Speaker 1: I understand why first kisses are traumatic enough in nature,
29:28
Speaker 1: and the thing is, until talking about it right now,
29:32
Speaker 1: I didn't realize how traumatic it was and how like
29:35
Speaker 1: it totally makes sense that I was like scared of
29:38
Speaker 1: him and boys after that, because it was very similar
29:41
Speaker 1: to the Elton situation. Was like get off and he's
29:44
Speaker 1: like still trying. You're like, you know, I mean tell
29:46
Speaker 1: him like three, It's called sucking blow Elton. It's a game.
29:51
Speaker 1: It's like I know you wanted it, Oh god, Yeah.
29:54
Speaker 1: And the fact that he does that in the first place,
29:57
Speaker 1: back of the party is just like she's clearly grossed
29:59
Speaker 1: out by it. And prior to that, there's a number
30:03
Speaker 1: of scenes where something happens in class, like she gets
30:06
Speaker 1: a good grade or like they and kisses her like
30:11
Speaker 1: keeps just like it's usually on the cheek, but it's
30:13
Speaker 1: a mushy kiss. It's always like for a while, because
30:17
Speaker 1: I didn't remember what their relationship was when I was
30:19
Speaker 1: rewatching the movie and didn't remember that well, I thought
30:21
Speaker 1: he was her boyfriend because he just keeps hugging her
30:24
Speaker 1: and using her. And then you're like, oh wait, he's
30:27
Speaker 1: just a creepy dude who raises his hand in the
30:30
Speaker 1: middle class and says the stupidest things right, and it's
30:34
Speaker 1: not even funny, like when the stoner guy does it right. Yeah,
30:37
Speaker 1: I love when the stoner guy gives a speech about
30:40
Speaker 1: my luffins. And I'd like to thank the staff of
30:44
Speaker 1: the McDonald's, without which I might never be like anyways,
30:50
Speaker 1: shout out to him, Shout out to Travis. Fuck Elton
30:53
Speaker 1: and fuck Elton man. I hated his character. I hated
30:58
Speaker 1: as dumb, like when he's singing to the Cranberries when
31:00
Speaker 1: they're driving before he assaults her, He's like done where
31:04
Speaker 1: where It's just like what, He's such a creep. And then,
31:08
Speaker 1: first of all, so the story goes that he she's
31:11
Speaker 1: trying to hook him up with Tie, and she thinks
31:14
Speaker 1: he's into Tie because she took a picture of Tie
31:16
Speaker 1: and he put the picture in his locker and then
31:19
Speaker 1: he goes, I put a picture you took in my locker,
31:22
Speaker 1: Like that's not it doesn't make any make any sense.
31:25
Speaker 1: It's a picture of another girl that doesn't doesn't make sense.
31:27
Speaker 1: Maybe she took a picture of a tree and he
31:29
Speaker 1: put that in his locker, but if you take a
31:31
Speaker 1: picture like that was a bad excuse. And also he
31:34
Speaker 1: brings class into that conversation too by basically saying, like
31:38
Speaker 1: why would I be with Tie? She's yeah, you know
31:42
Speaker 1: who is? And it's like the first we don't know?
31:45
Speaker 1: You know? But I bet that's a scene that got
31:50
Speaker 1: cut that was Yeah, maybe I want to see I mean,
31:52
Speaker 1: we don't see a lot of parents in this movie.
31:54
Speaker 1: The closest we get to seeing parents is a guy
31:57
Speaker 1: from Princess Bride and his teacher girlfriend gets his name again,
32:04
Speaker 1: Oh that actor's name he existed in a very specific
32:08
Speaker 1: ten year period is yeah, and miss Geist I would
32:14
Speaker 1: have loved to see her again. And she was great
32:15
Speaker 1: with her stockings falling down, and and then I didn't
32:19
Speaker 1: ever get any of the jokes where like Share makes
32:21
Speaker 1: the fake love letter and she's like she does Shakespeare
32:25
Speaker 1: quote and he's like, what is that? She goes? Did
32:27
Speaker 1: you write that? She goes? No, Cliff's nuts. That's a book,
32:32
Speaker 1: And I I forgot like when I started watching it, like,
32:36
Speaker 1: oh yeah, clue, this is based on something it's based
32:39
Speaker 1: on Emma is that you know, girl who hooks everyone up,
32:44
Speaker 1: which makes sense for share, But there's also a ton
32:47
Speaker 1: of Shakespeare references and I was like reading about it,
32:49
Speaker 1: and I guess it's because there's parts of the movie
32:52
Speaker 1: that are also taken from Titus Andronicus. But I don't
32:55
Speaker 1: know what happens in that play. Father fact, I didn't
33:01
Speaker 1: get that Christian was gay, like as a kid, and ever,
33:05
Speaker 1: I don't think I just all of a sudden they
33:07
Speaker 1: were friends because to me, he says he's gay, he is,
33:11
Speaker 1: like he says it in a kind of there's a
33:13
Speaker 1: lot of noise going over it, so you can't hear.
33:14
Speaker 1: And if you don't know what Dorothy lover ticket holding whatever,
33:18
Speaker 1: I wouldn't never references even I know, five or six
33:22
Speaker 1: years ago, no idea. And then when he's watching he
33:25
Speaker 1: wants to watch all those Tony Curtis movies. Like that's
33:27
Speaker 1: a reference no one would get. I'm like, oh, he
33:30
Speaker 1: just likes boring movies, right, like he wants to watch
33:32
Speaker 1: Spartacus cool whatever. I kind of wish that Christian had
33:36
Speaker 1: like come out to her, yes, Like I mean, it's
33:41
Speaker 1: coming from a straight person who doesn't know anything about
33:43
Speaker 1: the experience of coming out. But I think that would
33:47
Speaker 1: have been a nice thing to see in because we
33:49
Speaker 1: have to assume it happens, because it seems like by
33:52
Speaker 1: the next time that character shows up after Chair fails
33:55
Speaker 1: to have sex with him, there's like an understanding between
33:58
Speaker 1: them and it's not going to be an issue again.
34:00
Speaker 1: But yeah, I would have liked to see that. And
34:03
Speaker 1: I don't know, like we're registered for me. I remember
34:05
Speaker 1: when I heard Murray saying that stuff as a kid,
34:08
Speaker 1: like Barbara streisand Judy Garland and all that stuff, like
34:11
Speaker 1: this sounds like me. I love you know, though I'm
34:17
Speaker 1: surprised that, um there wasn't more of a homophobia in
34:22
Speaker 1: in his description of him. I mean there were like
34:25
Speaker 1: funny you know, without saying gay. He made a bunch
34:28
Speaker 1: of like did resort to like pretty stereotypical but not
34:33
Speaker 1: harsh necessarily harsh. Yeah, And I don't and we never
34:37
Speaker 1: saw him get any like they seem to accepting of him,
34:40
Speaker 1: and like, you know, and then when he saves Tie
34:43
Speaker 1: when they're at the mall, he like steps up as
34:46
Speaker 1: like a fucking macho man in that scene, which I
34:49
Speaker 1: really like. Yeah, and there's no yeah. Like Murray's description
34:52
Speaker 1: definitely isn't perfect, but for I feel like just the
34:55
Speaker 1: fact that his implication isn't like there was no just
35:00
Speaker 1: sky yeah, which which is what you would kind of
35:03
Speaker 1: expect out of like a straight male high school boy
35:08
Speaker 1: like that. I did also appreciate that even though the
35:11
Speaker 1: actress who plays this character turned out to be horrible,
35:14
Speaker 1: but that they're one of the main characters was a
35:16
Speaker 1: woman of color. That was nice. Yeah, that was great.
35:20
Speaker 1: It's a good point. Speaking of Christian one of the
35:23
Speaker 1: things I wanted to talk about was she before she
35:26
Speaker 1: knows that he is gay and they're going on on
35:29
Speaker 1: when she thinks it's a date. She comes down and
35:31
Speaker 1: she's dressed in this little white dress, and then Josh
35:34
Speaker 1: is like, you couldn't let her go out on that
35:36
Speaker 1: talking to her dad because apparently she's dressed too scantily,
35:41
Speaker 1: And it was just upsetting that to see Josh be like, oh,
35:46
Speaker 1: she's like, the implication is, oh, she looks like a slut.
35:50
Speaker 1: She's not, so her dad's like, cover that up. I
35:55
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess that that didn't register with me
35:57
Speaker 1: because I for sure heard that from my dad at
36:01
Speaker 1: least once your dad is a pig, I mean, but
36:05
Speaker 1: like not to give into the patriarchy, but like sometimes
36:09
Speaker 1: like you can see my ass, you know, and I
36:12
Speaker 1: wouldn't want my child. Yeah, I I get what you're saying,
36:17
Speaker 1: and I also give what I think of what you
36:19
Speaker 1: both are saying, and I agree with them because sometimes
36:23
Speaker 1: I feel like women dressed in a certain way that
36:25
Speaker 1: is uncomfortable for them out on the town and they're asked,
36:28
Speaker 1: we'll be hanging out and it's like, you don't need
36:30
Speaker 1: to do that to, you know, to impress this person.
36:34
Speaker 1: But I also feel like where whatever you want, it
36:37
Speaker 1: never it never struck me until you said that though,
36:39
Speaker 1: and until you brought it up that it was a
36:42
Speaker 1: little bit like stop dressing like a slut, because there
36:45
Speaker 1: are a lot of indications of there's a lot of
36:48
Speaker 1: that talk in the movie. I think that, like, um,
36:51
Speaker 1: do they talk about Amber dressing like a slut? They
36:54
Speaker 1: mentioned like she's like, oh I have enough from my
36:56
Speaker 1: plastic surgeon that no balls should be thrown in my
36:59
Speaker 1: face or something and really goes your social life. So
37:04
Speaker 1: it's weird because a lot of it. The thing that
37:06
Speaker 1: I would find weird about the scene is that, Like
37:08
Speaker 1: Josh is the one who says, are you going to
37:10
Speaker 1: let her go out like that? Like, basically her peer
37:13
Speaker 1: is saying that, which felt weird. Well, we can assume
37:17
Speaker 1: that because he likes her. They don't really, they might
37:21
Speaker 1: not know they like each other yet, but they do.
37:24
Speaker 1: He's just like, oh, I don't want her to be
37:26
Speaker 1: sexual with anyone else. I want to be to be
37:28
Speaker 1: sexual with me, So like, cover up your sexiness so
37:31
Speaker 1: that I can have it later. I think it's a
37:34
Speaker 1: very approach. Yeah, so he should just be okay with
37:38
Speaker 1: whatever she wants to wear. Also, what she was wearing
37:40
Speaker 1: in that scene is wasn't any cute. It was a
37:44
Speaker 1: great outfit and it was I mean it was the
37:46
Speaker 1: same thing that she's been wearing all along, Like the
37:48
Speaker 1: same length of skirt dress. I mean, you know another
37:52
Speaker 1: way that that kind of same. I keep getting these
37:56
Speaker 1: scenes mixed up. His father of the Bride, do you
37:58
Speaker 1: remember are you familiar with that movie? Well, her her
38:02
Speaker 1: dad is she comes back home from college and she's
38:04
Speaker 1: engaged to this guy, and her dad's like they're leaving
38:08
Speaker 1: to go out after dinner her fiance and her dad's like,
38:13
Speaker 1: it's a little cold, out there, you want to put
38:14
Speaker 1: something on, like she's not like exposed, but he's like
38:16
Speaker 1: She's like, no, dad, I'll be fine. And then her
38:18
Speaker 1: boyfriend goes, it is a little cold. She goes, oh yeah,
38:20
Speaker 1: I'll get my jacket, like she just instantly does it
38:23
Speaker 1: for him, and that was like another kind of way
38:25
Speaker 1: without making it about her being showing too much skin,
38:29
Speaker 1: which reminds me of one of my favorite lines in
38:31
Speaker 1: the movie when she's like explaining how you can get
38:34
Speaker 1: a boy to like you. She's like, show a little
38:36
Speaker 1: skin and that will make a boy picture you naked,
38:39
Speaker 1: which reminds them of six. That is really fun. That
38:44
Speaker 1: is totally a line that I took as actual advice,
38:49
Speaker 1: like very obviously and exactly that that. So there's the
38:53
Speaker 1: dangerous territory in that. That was stuff that though like, yeah,
38:57
Speaker 1: in high school, I remember my my first school boyfriend,
39:00
Speaker 1: who I feel like I site constantly on this podcast
39:03
Speaker 1: so much. But there was like one time where we
39:07
Speaker 1: both like saved up money from our part time jobs
39:12
Speaker 1: to go to a seafood restaurant together because we had
39:15
Speaker 1: both heard that oysters were an as We're like saved
39:20
Speaker 1: up for weeks and we're like and we literally went
39:22
Speaker 1: to the cheesecake factory, but they have oysters, and then
39:26
Speaker 1: we're just like, oh, like maybe we're gonna kiss with
39:28
Speaker 1: tongue tonight because we had all this fish. But stuff
39:33
Speaker 1: like that, like I don't know where I would have
39:35
Speaker 1: gotten that from, if not from a movie or a
39:38
Speaker 1: book or something like that. Um, And that's like a
39:42
Speaker 1: more innocent incarnation of taking stuff like that and trying
39:45
Speaker 1: to like desperately trying to apply it to your real life.
39:48
Speaker 1: But it does stick with you. It's weird. And like
39:50
Speaker 1: how parents after they have sex, like on sitcoms, they're
39:54
Speaker 1: always really happy the next morning. So you're like, oh,
39:56
Speaker 1: if mom's ever happy she got laid last night, because
39:59
Speaker 1: that's only way that a housewife can be prancing around
40:03
Speaker 1: the house with a smile on her face as if
40:05
Speaker 1: she got laid. That was always a thing like, So
40:09
Speaker 1: I guess sex makes people happy, which I mean, it
40:11
Speaker 1: doesn't not have to smoke a cigarette afterwards. So much
40:15
Speaker 1: of that, but a great line from that also that
40:17
Speaker 1: date scene was when she gets in the car with Christian,
40:20
Speaker 1: who I think most people would have already figured out
40:23
Speaker 1: as gay, and he's listening to Billy Holliday. Who is this?
40:27
Speaker 1: She's like Billy Holiday, She's like I love him. Oh God,
40:33
Speaker 1: so good. It's a great comedy. It's it's packed with
40:36
Speaker 1: funny lines like joke, joke, joke, it's it's I love
40:40
Speaker 1: that about it. And it's written and directed by a woman, Amyling.
40:45
Speaker 1: And here's a fun reference to your least favorite episode ever, Caitlin.
40:50
Speaker 1: Is that Amy Heckerling used to date Martin Breast, who
40:56
Speaker 1: directed sag Connection Indoors. Oh my god? What else is
41:07
Speaker 1: Amory Heroling Dunne. She also like helmed the TV spinoff
41:13
Speaker 1: Let's See she was involved so she directed Fast Times
41:15
Speaker 1: at Ridgemont High. She directed National Lampoon's European Vacation. She
41:21
Speaker 1: directed Look Who's Talking? I loved it? And then she
41:26
Speaker 1: later worked on A Night the Roxbury Loved It, directed
41:31
Speaker 1: an episode of the first season of the Office, and
41:34
Speaker 1: directed a little bit of Gossip Girl. All right. She
41:38
Speaker 1: she had a good career to write something again, come on,
41:40
Speaker 1: come back baby? Well hi are you Amy? Yeah? We're wealthy.
41:46
Speaker 1: The other thing I wanted to mention is that the
41:49
Speaker 1: like flirtatious banter that happens throughout the movie between Share
41:53
Speaker 1: and Josh is a lot of nagging about her appearance,
41:58
Speaker 1: which bothered me. You're really filling out that job that's
42:03
Speaker 1: like his first and you know, I understand, like negging
42:08
Speaker 1: is a concept of like flirting, especially if it's like
42:12
Speaker 1: because it can't you know, it's not the best way
42:16
Speaker 1: to flirt. I've for sure done it. It's for sure
42:19
Speaker 1: been done to me, like it happens, and sometimes it
42:22
Speaker 1: for sure works, and sometimes it does. Um. I love
42:26
Speaker 1: being a bully. That's how I've gotten every person's heart.
42:32
Speaker 1: And then I fixed that. But it's often at the
42:36
Speaker 1: expense of her appearance or her just like, you know,
42:40
Speaker 1: he's making fun of you go to the mall a lot.
42:43
Speaker 1: You're just a stupid girl who shops and I don't know.
42:46
Speaker 1: I mean, that is kind of her character. But then
42:49
Speaker 1: she gets really affected by that kind of um insult
42:53
Speaker 1: when she starts to like him, and she's like, I
42:55
Speaker 1: want to seem more than that, and I am more
42:57
Speaker 1: than that, and I think that that, Um, I like her.
43:01
Speaker 1: Her rebellion of that concept that she's just like a
43:04
Speaker 1: mall rat, I think is going in the right direction.
43:08
Speaker 1: He was there at the dinner table and she's like,
43:10
Speaker 1: I have direction. He's like, yeah, they're the mall, and
43:13
Speaker 1: she's just like yeah. And then there's one point where
43:16
Speaker 1: he's criticizing how like her effect on tie uh and
43:20
Speaker 1: he says something like oh, yeah, there's been a lot
43:22
Speaker 1: more bare midriff or like whatever, um, and she does
43:26
Speaker 1: give it back to him. There's that time when they
43:29
Speaker 1: get all the take out for shares dad, which, first
43:32
Speaker 1: of all, I loved that she's such a good person
43:37
Speaker 1: and has a great relationship with her dad. Um, but
43:40
Speaker 1: where um he's he says like how many hours a
43:43
Speaker 1: day he's been grooming and she sort of throws it
43:46
Speaker 1: back to him. It's like, oh, you can't look as
43:49
Speaker 1: perfect as you. So it's like there is a but
43:51
Speaker 1: I feel like he makes more personal hits towards her
43:56
Speaker 1: that almost always have to do with her appearance, where
44:00
Speaker 1: like when she insults him, it's almost like, oh, yeah,
44:03
Speaker 1: you read a lot of books or like it vague yeah,
44:07
Speaker 1: and it could just be you know, the time, it
44:09
Speaker 1: was the nineties, we were all terrible. But the other
44:12
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to mention was on first glance, she
44:16
Speaker 1: seems like a kind of a ditzy airhead, but she
44:20
Speaker 1: gets good grades she gets like A in geometry. In fact,
44:24
Speaker 1: I paused the part where you see her credit card
44:26
Speaker 1: and like there's little comments on it. And under her
44:31
Speaker 1: biology classes report card, Oh yeah, what did I say
44:33
Speaker 1: in a credit card? Stop her report card? Yeah? And
44:42
Speaker 1: under biology it says, uh, won't dissect anything, and then
44:46
Speaker 1: under geometry geometry it says good shapes. Yeah, she's she's
44:57
Speaker 1: not an airhead. She you know, her speech is she
45:00
Speaker 1: gives in her debate class or whatever are seemed quite vapid.
45:03
Speaker 1: But she's smart and like takes an active interest. I
45:07
Speaker 1: do love that she negotiates her grades and all that
45:12
Speaker 1: you're telling me you argued you away from a C
45:14
Speaker 1: minus to a B plus. And then he's like, based
45:18
Speaker 1: on the powers of persuasion. He's like, I couldn't be
45:20
Speaker 1: prouder if they were based on an actual um. The
45:25
Speaker 1: fact that she does take an active interest in her
45:29
Speaker 1: grade and she's never I was impressed, because, like when
45:33
Speaker 1: I was rewatching it, I'm like, oh, does her dad
45:35
Speaker 1: ever try to force her into any sort of stereotypical world?
45:38
Speaker 1: But he really doesn't like when he has that discussion
45:41
Speaker 1: with Josh and share Um and shares like whatever, he's
45:44
Speaker 1: a big geek and he's and but her dad just
45:47
Speaker 1: as badly wants her to find what she wants to
45:50
Speaker 1: do and have like a successful career, and you know,
45:53
Speaker 1: she helps him with his health health and his lawyer
45:57
Speaker 1: stuff at times, and it's like it does seem like
46:01
Speaker 1: he's not for the most part or no more than
46:04
Speaker 1: a normal good dad would be like an oppressive force
46:07
Speaker 1: in her wife, which is kind of cool, right, Yeah.
46:10
Speaker 1: I remember getting so anxious when she's doing all the
46:13
Speaker 1: highlighting for her dad and then she fox it up
46:16
Speaker 1: and that guy yells at her and leaves, and it
46:18
Speaker 1: like if you guys were flirting the whole time, and
46:20
Speaker 1: she's just like she feels really stupid. That gave me
46:23
Speaker 1: so much anxiety, like as a as someone who's tempted
46:27
Speaker 1: a lot and like fucked things up, like and like
46:31
Speaker 1: having that feeling like, oh, I'm just a girl that
46:33
Speaker 1: is so confused and like doesn't get it, Like there's
46:36
Speaker 1: something there that makes me a little feel insecure totally.
46:40
Speaker 1: And then um, Josh defends her. I kind of I
46:43
Speaker 1: wish like she had defended herself, but you know, I
46:46
Speaker 1: can't have everything. Um, he defends her, like arguing against
46:51
Speaker 1: a lot of the things, a lot of like the
46:53
Speaker 1: ammunition he used when he was like flirtatiously nagging her before,
46:57
Speaker 1: like she's not just a dumb mom. Yeah, but yeah,
47:02
Speaker 1: and then they go and they have that nice little kiss,
47:04
Speaker 1: like you really like that. I just want Paul Rod
47:08
Speaker 1: to kiss me. He's so, he's still sixteen a couple
47:15
Speaker 1: of years gonna live for Breckon Meyer is still very
47:23
Speaker 1: handsome too, but he like looks his age, which is
47:26
Speaker 1: not that's not an assault. This is a little gossip,
47:30
Speaker 1: But I saw him with a much younger lady when
47:33
Speaker 1: I saw him at bruncheon. It looked like he was
47:35
Speaker 1: taking his niece out o Brecon that's ft. I know,
47:40
Speaker 1: maybe she's an old soul. Who's that? That's what they
47:43
Speaker 1: all say. Who's that? Like superhero actor right now that's
47:47
Speaker 1: standing like a nineteen year old. I was really enjoying
47:49
Speaker 1: some recent coverage of that on like Pearance Hilton and
47:53
Speaker 1: Jess Jared. Really yeah, there's like a major Oh, I
47:57
Speaker 1: think it might be Henry Cavill, Superman who is dating
48:01
Speaker 1: a teenager and like he's like doing his best to
48:04
Speaker 1: explain it away and like my favorite Henry Cavil excuse
48:09
Speaker 1: for dating a teenager was he was like, well, when
48:11
Speaker 1: I was seventeen, I dated a thirty five year old
48:15
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, and Henry Cavitt, that's probably why
48:18
Speaker 1: you're like this now like break the cycle, Superman, he
48:22
Speaker 1: won't do it. Yeah, I'll tell you. Oh. He split
48:25
Speaker 1: from his nineteen year old girlfriend in May of two
48:28
Speaker 1: thou sixteen. Good for her. Does anyone have any thought
48:31
Speaker 1: final thoughts about the movie before we rate it? We
48:35
Speaker 1: rate it, we ate it. I think we talked about
48:38
Speaker 1: every every scene, every single scene. Um great soundtrack Killers.
48:47
Speaker 1: I was listening to it on the way over, just
48:48
Speaker 1: like getting myself, am gonna be super Model? What a
48:52
Speaker 1: great song that? And then later on the Lizzie McGuire
48:56
Speaker 1: movie soundtrack really just guided me. Was it good? It's
49:00
Speaker 1: real good. It's more early two thousands, but it's like
49:03
Speaker 1: clueless for two thousand and three styles. I was just
49:08
Speaker 1: recalling even Stevens, did you want to see Carls and Romana?
49:13
Speaker 1: I know what happened to her. She's like a scientist now,
49:16
Speaker 1: probably woman and stable. She was definitely a woman and
49:20
Speaker 1: step by the way Christian calls shares legs, stems and
49:23
Speaker 1: I was like, good, A stem mentioned we got it
49:27
Speaker 1: in no steampunk in this movie. I was happy, um,
49:32
Speaker 1: because usually the someone's the steampunk culture permeates all my
49:36
Speaker 1: favorite films, and I'm triggeringly. I have to go on
49:39
Speaker 1: a Walk is one of your favorite films? I do
49:43
Speaker 1: know all the words to the themes, me too too.
49:48
Speaker 1: I remember I specifically remember bragging about that at lunch once,
49:53
Speaker 1: like my sophomore year, like, um, do you want me
49:56
Speaker 1: to recite all the uto d No, you don't, none,
50:02
Speaker 1: none of this soldiers. Look, it's like I told you,
50:08
Speaker 1: I'm triggered in distress. Ye out of that dress when
50:14
Speaker 1: they meet Jim West. Oh that's good. I had to
50:16
Speaker 1: listen that song again. It's so terrible. Oh god, it's bad.
50:19
Speaker 1: It's like tattooed into my brain. Maybe you self joke
50:21
Speaker 1: about that song about how like that. I used to
50:25
Speaker 1: do a joke about how whenever you break up, never
50:27
Speaker 1: have whenever you pick a song with someone like your song,
50:30
Speaker 1: just pick a terrible song so that like when you
50:33
Speaker 1: hear it, you'll never yeah, you don't hear it, and
50:35
Speaker 1: so just always pick uh Will Smith's Wild Wildlass because
50:39
Speaker 1: no one feels I was like Jada Pickett. Smith could
50:42
Speaker 1: break up with Will Smith and hear that song and
50:43
Speaker 1: feel nothing, but it's so bad, So I like that.
50:47
Speaker 1: I like that the Cisco's involved though, he goes goes Cisco. Yeah,
50:52
Speaker 1: it's good too, the wow wow, and that's where he
50:58
Speaker 1: went and disappeared because I haven't heard Cisco since. Dude, Cisco.
51:02
Speaker 1: Maybe this gets back to my nine eleven anecdote. I
51:05
Speaker 1: don't know if I've ever talked about it on the
51:06
Speaker 1: cast before. When I saw the Backstreet Boys perform live
51:10
Speaker 1: in Boston the night before nine eleven September, I was
51:15
Speaker 1: at the show and Cisco opened Whoa. My mom made
51:19
Speaker 1: me miss the first twenty minutes of the Backstreet Boys
51:21
Speaker 1: because she had a crush on Cisco, and she's like,
51:23
Speaker 1: we've got to get in mine to meet Cisco. I
51:26
Speaker 1: remember being so mad. I was like, I don't want
51:28
Speaker 1: to meet Cisco. I want to look at Nick Carter,
51:30
Speaker 1: and my mom was like, we've got an Oh my god.
51:33
Speaker 1: Your mom was definitely wearing a thong. She was horny
51:36
Speaker 1: for Cisco, probably wearing like a tree or fours. Got
51:41
Speaker 1: to get that coverage. Yeah, oh god, yeah, that's really cute.
51:46
Speaker 1: It's wild. It was a simpler time. That literally was
51:52
Speaker 1: the last the weaning hours of the simpler time. I
51:56
Speaker 1: remember exactly what I was doing that night too. The
51:58
Speaker 1: night before I was doing a French essay about terrorism.
52:02
Speaker 1: Oddly enough, I had to look up Terroisma or whatever
52:06
Speaker 1: heard it was. I don't remember what I was doing Patriot. Sorry,
52:15
Speaker 1: shout out to Cisco wherever you are, if you're alive.
52:17
Speaker 1: He's such a fan of podcast. We'd love to hear
52:20
Speaker 1: from you. Hopefully you're into very specific podcast. Yeah, we
52:23
Speaker 1: should get him as a guest. Uh. He seems like
52:25
Speaker 1: a feminist totally Cisco, are you an ally? He wants
52:29
Speaker 1: women to wear whatever they want. It's almost like a
52:31
Speaker 1: drug stru drugs, like what what? What? God? Yeah, dumps
52:37
Speaker 1: like a drug. Is a disgusting Oh my god, it's
52:42
Speaker 1: so awful. And that's what me leads with. Yeah, is
52:45
Speaker 1: it is that butt lay? Is that but cheeks? I'm
52:48
Speaker 1: just I'm just picture. No, it's like a ship pooping.
52:52
Speaker 1: That's what I as, a struck load of ship because
52:55
Speaker 1: her asset that's so gross. I've never even put this together.
52:58
Speaker 1: I thought like it was a part of my body.
53:00
Speaker 1: Why mean, we're speculating that might not be what he meant,
53:05
Speaker 1: but that is definitely what its like from it. That's
53:07
Speaker 1: like the bridge. Yeah, he's like, now let me lead
53:11
Speaker 1: up to this incredible like move that thing that and
53:16
Speaker 1: then later Hot in Here, where I was like I
53:19
Speaker 1: should that's Nellie, But I was like, I should date
53:21
Speaker 1: a guy who is perpetually wearing a band aid on
53:24
Speaker 1: his face. Oh? I love Nellie so much? He still do.
53:26
Speaker 1: And good evolution we were that was my senior song
53:31
Speaker 1: he got sensitive later on he did over and over again. Yeah,
53:35
Speaker 1: that's what I was like, what's the sensitive my head?
53:39
Speaker 1: With Tim McGraw, it's like, man, maybe the girl from
53:43
Speaker 1: Hot in Here really broke his heart? Yeah, who knows.
53:47
Speaker 1: Oh the guy took to prom was like, does fish
53:52
Speaker 1: tanks in St. Louis? And he did Nellie's fish tanks? Yeah,
53:56
Speaker 1: I gotta connection you guys. When there's a crack in
53:58
Speaker 1: the fish tank? What they pull? What do they put
54:00
Speaker 1: on it? Abandoned? Love it really straight? We're saying almost
54:09
Speaker 1: all of let's write the movie. Okay, we write each
54:15
Speaker 1: movie based on its portrayal of the women characters on
54:20
Speaker 1: a scale of zero to five nipples, and if you
54:24
Speaker 1: want to describe those nipples. So for me, I would
54:28
Speaker 1: say because it does have like a nice portrayal of
54:32
Speaker 1: female friendships, and the main character is a very nurturing
54:39
Speaker 1: and supportive and nice person, which you might not expect
54:43
Speaker 1: from a movie like this or a movie that takes
54:45
Speaker 1: place in this setting. There's some things about it that like,
54:48
Speaker 1: we're dated and could have been portrayed better. Um. Also,
54:53
Speaker 1: the use of the R E T a R D
54:56
Speaker 1: word happens. I've got to send you an episode of
55:00
Speaker 1: Coast Coast to Coast I watched yesterday that really uses
55:03
Speaker 1: that word with insane liberalism. But I think it was
55:07
Speaker 1: when space Gast was about to be canceled, since they
55:09
Speaker 1: were like, let's do it. I don't endorse it. But
55:14
Speaker 1: other than that, though it, I think it does a
55:17
Speaker 1: pretty good job portraying rich Beverly Hills High school women.
55:23
Speaker 1: They need to be lifted up because they really do.
55:27
Speaker 1: I would give it. I don't know. This is a
55:29
Speaker 1: hard one for me. I'm going to be generous to this,
55:33
Speaker 1: like it. I'm going to give it like a three
55:35
Speaker 1: and a half. I think three and a half nipples
55:38
Speaker 1: they belong to Paul Rudd, two of them are Paul
55:42
Speaker 1: Rudd's angels mummy, yeah exactly. Then one and a half
55:47
Speaker 1: of them are vampire Paul Rudd, which are like cold
55:52
Speaker 1: but still nice. Yeah, I'm going to give it four uh,
55:57
Speaker 1: and I'm going to give those four or nips to share.
56:01
Speaker 1: His mom passed away and the nips that she was
56:06
Speaker 1: having transplanted onto her body she was at the time
56:09
Speaker 1: of her That's some risky surgery. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
56:12
Speaker 1: mean it might kill you, but the results are undeniable. Yeah,
56:16
Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna give it for just because of the
56:19
Speaker 1: personal meaning it had to me as like a woman
56:22
Speaker 1: in a in comedy and how funny that movie was
56:25
Speaker 1: and how influential it was on my sense of humor,
56:27
Speaker 1: and that a woman wrote it and that Share was
56:30
Speaker 1: a popular girl who was actually nice and it it
56:33
Speaker 1: didn't because of the female friendships and stuff. So and
56:36
Speaker 1: all the nipples are everyone's nipples the world all around.
56:40
Speaker 1: I just want to share them with the Francisco. Okay,
56:42
Speaker 1: I dedicated my nipples to Cisco. I really hope he
56:48
Speaker 1: has become a cult later or something like. Who knows
56:51
Speaker 1: he's doing something good. Feel free to talk about anything
56:54
Speaker 1: while I figure out what Cisco is currently? Uh, well, Nikki,
56:58
Speaker 1: where can people find you online? Oh? Nicky Glazer on
57:02
Speaker 1: Instagram and Twitter? And what did you find? In two
57:05
Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen, Cisco provided his talent on an unusual
57:09
Speaker 1: duet with country music singer Marie Osmond. Weird. Marie Osmond
57:14
Speaker 1: is his Tim McGraw. Wow, what a career he's had.
57:19
Speaker 1: He lives in Minnesota and he has appeared on What Swamp? Okay, Okay,
57:26
Speaker 1: he's doing fine, Jamie. Anything you want to plug? Um, sure,
57:30
Speaker 1: you can watch the cartoons that I always plug every week,
57:34
Speaker 1: Boston pds Amboi Crimes Division. And then there's a new
57:37
Speaker 1: one starting about popular Siamese twins who live underground, and
57:45
Speaker 1: that'll be starting a couple of weeks and I think
57:47
Speaker 1: probably by the time this episode comes out, So check
57:49
Speaker 1: it out on Cafe Awesome. That's exciting. You can follow
57:53
Speaker 1: me on Twitter at Caitlin Toronte, follow us on a
57:56
Speaker 1: Bechdel cast as well. Can email us and then the
58:00
Speaker 1: rate and review and subscribe. Nikki, thank you so much,
58:04
Speaker 1: you guys, See you guys round Bye bye bye,