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How Big Bill Speakman Fought Off North Korea With Beer Bottles · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Young Hascio. Everybody, welcome to Ridiculous History. I'm Ben Mushy Mushy,
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  Speaker 1: my name is Noel, and yes, this is indeed Ridiculous History.
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  Speaker 1: And I know that was the incorrect greeting. You set
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  Speaker 1: up the theme correctly with your greeting, and you said
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  Speaker 1: it beautifully, Ben, I said it terribly. Did I say
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  Speaker 1: it better? Uh no, no, No, it turns out that
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  Speaker 1: neither of a speak area and that's true. Is that
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  Speaker 1: gonna be a problem for today's episode? It shouldn't be.
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  Speaker 1: It shouldn't be. Did I tell you that story of
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  Speaker 1: the last time I was in Korea? I went So
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  Speaker 1: I was walking around, right, and I'm in Soul and
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  Speaker 1: everybody is very everybody's very friendly. Walk into a shop
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  Speaker 1: and well dressed here as well, right right, and yes,
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  Speaker 1: very much so. And people with his shop owners or
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  Speaker 1: shop employees when you walk in, they greet you. They
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  Speaker 1: say hello on young Hasio, and they say it usually,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in a loud stride and tone. And I
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  Speaker 1: thought I was saying whatever the proper response was. And
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  Speaker 1: so I walk in, these people would say hello, and
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  Speaker 1: then I would say, I would do my bit in Korea,
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  Speaker 1: which I do not speak, and then they would switch
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  Speaker 1: to English and asked me, you know, if I needed help,
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  Speaker 1: if it needs to look for anything, And I thought, okay, sure.
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  Speaker 1: My Koreans admittedly garbage. It wasn't until I was driving back,
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  Speaker 1: when I was riding back to the airport, when the
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  Speaker 1: cab driver asked me, had I learned any Korean? And
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, I know this, and
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  Speaker 1: I know this and when people say hello, I say
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  Speaker 1: this and he and he stops and he goes, oh, man,
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  Speaker 1: you haven't been like doing that, have you? He said,
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  Speaker 1: you do? You know what that means? So what? And
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  Speaker 1: he said it means where am I? So I was
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  Speaker 1: walking in people are saying hello, and I was waving
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  Speaker 1: at them and going where am I? And that's why
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  Speaker 1: they switched it into like this man has in a
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  Speaker 1: feug state of some sort. He is confused and stumbling
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  Speaker 1: around and doesn't know what's going on. But what an adventure.
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  Speaker 1: And despite our mutual lack of fluency in the Korean language,
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  Speaker 1: we're still going to have a great time with today's story.
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  Speaker 1: Oh we should also mention super producer Casey Pegram is
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  Speaker 1: here always. I don't know. I did that like a
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  Speaker 1: late show intro. We've got a great show for you today,
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  Speaker 1: exactly that. I love it. He's always here, He's a staple.
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  Speaker 1: When he's not here, I die a little inside a
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  Speaker 1: little each time when he cries. So, no, we're we're
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  Speaker 1: mentioning Korea. Not for nothing. We're mentioning Korea because it
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  Speaker 1: is part of our story. Today's story is about a
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  Speaker 1: war hero, right, Yeah, can I say badass on air?
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  Speaker 1: I think he can? Ben Okay, I think you can.
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  Speaker 1: We think you just did. We've been going back and
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  Speaker 1: forth off air before about whether we can say the
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  Speaker 1: three we agreed on if I remember what were they?
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  Speaker 1: So there was ass. I mean, we're gonna just lay
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  Speaker 1: them all out. Damn in hell? Should we save those? We? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I don't know. Um, those I think are approved. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but when you say them all in a row like that,
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  Speaker 1: it seems a little blue bend, seems a little blue.
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  Speaker 1: Oh well, I'm sorry. Yeah, we went blue blue. You
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  Speaker 1: never go blue. Once you go blue. We should just
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  Speaker 1: do the episode. So yeah, Well, it's about a kind
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  Speaker 1: of an unconventional war hero, a badass and his particular
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  Speaker 1: flavor of badassery involved single handedly, largely single handedly, fending
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  Speaker 1: off a wave of Chinese forces that were coming at
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  Speaker 1: him with all they had, with all there might. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: the story of William Speakman known as Bill to his friends,
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  Speaker 1: Big Bill to his close friends, Big Bill Speakman, Big
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  Speaker 1: Bill speak And was born on September n seven in Cheshire.
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  Speaker 1: He was one of his kids who always wanted to
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  Speaker 1: grow up and be a soldier, right and growing up,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of us, regardless of where we live in
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  Speaker 1: the world, a lot of us have known children like that.
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  Speaker 1: When he was a teenager, he was watching the British
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  Speaker 1: forces and the Allies takes on access powers. This inspired him.
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  Speaker 1: He joined the army in nineteen forty five, which means
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  Speaker 1: that he just barely missed the conflicts of World War Two. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He was also part of admittedly like Game of Thrones
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  Speaker 1: esque sounding order called the Black Watch Royal Highland Regiment Um,
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  Speaker 1: and then, as was his wish, he ended up joining
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  Speaker 1: the King's Own Scottish Borderers, and that is the outfit
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  Speaker 1: that he served with in Korea. And the King's Own
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  Speaker 1: Scottish Borderers does sound like a band name, really does?
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  Speaker 1: You know, so Bill, Big Bill goes to the Korean
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  Speaker 1: Peninsula to take part in the Korean War. What's the
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  Speaker 1: Korean War? Great question. The Korean War is this back
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  Speaker 1: and forth struggle that has not yet officially ended, which
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  Speaker 1: is crazy. It was a ceasefire, right and they have
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  Speaker 1: you know, they have consistently not fired, but there was
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  Speaker 1: no formal peace treaty. And it was a war that
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  Speaker 1: had so many ideological you know, underpinnings because it was
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  Speaker 1: essentially this conflict between communism and capitalism. And the United
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  Speaker 1: States got involved because it was they looked at it
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  Speaker 1: as very much a war against the forces of communism,
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  Speaker 1: this ideological war. And then the in China has always
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  Speaker 1: been a staunch supporter of North Korea. And even though
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  Speaker 1: that makes for some funny bedfellows with us in China
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  Speaker 1: and our relationship with them, and that's one of the
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  Speaker 1: reasons we can't just go in to North Korea and
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  Speaker 1: mess things up, because that would totally torpedo our relationship
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  Speaker 1: with China, and we can't have that. Yeah, this was
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  Speaker 1: a proxy war, also called a limited war, wherein the
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  Speaker 1: superpowers of the world picked a third country so that
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  Speaker 1: they weren't waging actual war on each other's soil, and
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  Speaker 1: they fought their war. They're terrible, terrible thing for the
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  Speaker 1: people who live in that third country. Right. So this
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  Speaker 1: war began June nineteen fifty, and it went back and
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  Speaker 1: forth for a time. The South Korean forces were on
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  Speaker 1: the precipice of losing this struggle. In October of nineteen fifty,
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  Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of Chinese soldiers entered the border, and
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  Speaker 1: the capital of Korea, Soul, would change hands what four
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  Speaker 1: times during the struggle? And what is the thirty parallel,
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  Speaker 1: ben that's a great question. The thirty eight parallel existed
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  Speaker 1: originally as the boundary between the Soviet and American occupations
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  Speaker 1: owns in Japan, but in nineteen it also became the
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  Speaker 1: boundary between the Democratic People's Republic of Korea DPRK a
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  Speaker 1: K North Korea and the r OKA or South Korea.
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  Speaker 1: At the time, as you know, they both claim to
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  Speaker 1: be the legitimate governments of the entire peninsula. And this
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  Speaker 1: this changed a little bit when they signed their armist
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  Speaker 1: Disagreement in nineteen fifty three, but we'll we'll get into
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  Speaker 1: that later. The the important part is as as we've
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  Speaker 1: established that the thirty eight parallel is where things reached
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  Speaker 1: a stalemate. Enter big bills. Speakman, he's twenty four years old.
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  Speaker 1: He's full of them, vigor, bright eyed, bushy tailed, and
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  Speaker 1: thirsty to serve his country. So, as we said, he
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  Speaker 1: volunteers in Korea. And when he is volunteering to engage
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  Speaker 1: in this conflict, it's still very much anyone's game. It's
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  Speaker 1: going back and worth soul is being captured, recaptured, and
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  Speaker 1: he transfers to was the name of the group you
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  Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, the King's own Scottish Borderers. So he transfers
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  Speaker 1: to them expressly to join the fight in Korea. He
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  Speaker 1: wants to see actual field service. And boy does he ever,
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  Speaker 1: because Speakman's battalion was um up defending a position on
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  Speaker 1: Maryang Son in Korea, and that is when six thousand
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  Speaker 1: Chinese soldiers laid siege, and we're trying to remove them
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  Speaker 1: from that position and take over. So let's set the stage.
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  Speaker 1: It's the early hours of November four. The defending battalion
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  Speaker 1: is coming under increasingly aggressive and dangerous mortar fire and artillery,
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  Speaker 1: and that is followed by a wave of Chinese troops
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  Speaker 1: advance sensing from their positions, they attack the Commonwealth trenches
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  Speaker 1: and by a little bit before six in the morning
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  Speaker 1: or so, the sides have entered Malay hand to hand combat. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm confused about this. So why were they doing hand
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  Speaker 1: to hand combat? Why weren't they shooting at each other?
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  Speaker 1: Because they got close enough too. So so the mortar
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  Speaker 1: fire and the artillery it's smacking the tar out of
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  Speaker 1: the Commonwealth troops. And while they're on the defensive, the
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  Speaker 1: soldiers are getting close enough too. This is trench warfare.
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  Speaker 1: It's essentially like that going over the top kind of
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  Speaker 1: situation right right, So they couldn't shoot from you know,
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  Speaker 1: from like a rifle position, an individual walking position. You
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  Speaker 1: can't shoot into the trench easily. That makes sense. So
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  Speaker 1: when we say hand to hand, we are talking largely
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  Speaker 1: about I mean just that there's fists involved, there's hand
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  Speaker 1: grenades involved, eyes, there's chucking anything that you can get
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  Speaker 1: your hands on involved, and that that becomes a big
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  Speaker 1: part of the story. So Private big Bill Speakman is
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  Speaker 1: prepping hand grenades when he hears a message over the
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  Speaker 1: radio saying that two groups have been overrun, two platoons
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  Speaker 1: and that the ridge may fall into enemy hands, so
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  Speaker 1: he gets the band back together. He gathers up whomever
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  Speaker 1: is closest to him, hands out grenades and says, let's go.
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  Speaker 1: And there's this quote in an article from The Independent
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  Speaker 1: that has speakman describing the scene like this. He says,
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  Speaker 1: it was hand to hand. There was no time to
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  Speaker 1: pull back the bolt of the rifle. Um. It was November.
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  Speaker 1: The ground was hard, so grenades bounced and did damage.
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  Speaker 1: It makes you think of like a video game called
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  Speaker 1: Borderlands where you could get different mods for your grenades,
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  Speaker 1: and one of them made them like bouncing grenades, so
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  Speaker 1: they would like literally bounce off of things and then
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  Speaker 1: explode continuously. I know it's not the kind of sci
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  Speaker 1: fi situation that's going on here, but what would Why
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  Speaker 1: would a bouncing grenade do more damage? I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: picture that because it only blows up once, so I
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  Speaker 1: guess we're speculating. We would say that the bounce puts
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  Speaker 1: it in a different position, you know, sort of like
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  Speaker 1: hitting hitting a cool trick shot on a pool table.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it gets it makes it go farther too. You
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  Speaker 1: can literally bounce it off because the ground is cold
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  Speaker 1: and frozen, you could bounce it off and then it
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  Speaker 1: would go farther, and if you're just chucking tons of them,
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  Speaker 1: then it would just create absolute havoc. So he's got
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  Speaker 1: his group of six men who have joined him in
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  Speaker 1: collecting piles of grenades and and and throwing them right
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  Speaker 1: at the enemy forces. It's important to say that speakman
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  Speaker 1: does this on his own initiative. He's not ordered to
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  Speaker 1: do so. He gets hit in the leg because war
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  Speaker 1: is an ugly, nasty, dangerous thing, but he keeps fighting,
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  Speaker 1: and he holds back the Chinese forces long enough for
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  Speaker 1: those platoons that were overrun to evacuate their wounded, and
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  Speaker 1: he keeps going. We'll never know how long he would
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  Speaker 1: keep going. He didn't stop until he was directly ordered
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  Speaker 1: to get his leg looked at. Yeah, but in the meantime,
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  Speaker 1: when they ran of grenades, he started just grabbing whatever
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  Speaker 1: he could get his hands on, and um. In these days,
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  Speaker 1: the troops were allowed to have some beer, so they
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  Speaker 1: had a whole kind of pile of empty beer bottles,
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  Speaker 1: and he was able to kind of create a diversion
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  Speaker 1: just by hurling beer bottles at the oncoming opposition, and
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  Speaker 1: probably didn't actually kill anybody or hurt anybody too badly.
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  Speaker 1: But it certainly would have been annoying, and it certainly
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  Speaker 1: would have caused a distraction, right, I mean, it's the
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  Speaker 1: thought that killed absolutely reminds me of that story we
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  Speaker 1: did about the Americans throwing potatoes at a U boat. Yep, yep,
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  Speaker 1: that really happened. It was. It was perhaps exaggerated in
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  Speaker 1: later retellings, but it did happen. There's there's a great
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  Speaker 1: article of war history online by Jeff Edwards about this
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  Speaker 1: worry about Big Bill Speakman, and it confirms that he
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  Speaker 1: did indeed throw these beer bottles. This this story gets
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  Speaker 1: a little bit exaggerated sometimes because you'll hear people say
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  Speaker 1: that he just started throwing everything he could hand grenades,
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  Speaker 1: beer bottles, empty ration tens, pencils, small woodland creatures, kitchen silverware,
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  Speaker 1: cricket bats, and his own well, we'll we'll edit this
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  Speaker 1: for the air, his own blank meaty fist that comes
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  Speaker 1: from the great website Badass of the Week dot com,
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  Speaker 1: which I highly highly highly recommend. He did throw more
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  Speaker 1: than grenades and more than beer bottles too. They threw
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  Speaker 1: ration tens, they threw stones, and this did work. The
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  Speaker 1: press loved this. By the way, they started calling Bill
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  Speaker 1: Speakman the beer bottle VC. And I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this partner, he hated
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  Speaker 1: that nickname. What is VC mean? That's a big part
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  Speaker 1: of the story too, that that's the Victorian Cross. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: the Victorian Cross. Tell us a little bit about that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The Victorian Cross is the highest military honor in UH
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  Speaker 1: in the United Kingdom. It is awarded for unparalleled bravery
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  Speaker 1: in the heat of battle and was first awarded in
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  Speaker 1: eighteen fifty seven by Queen Victoria Um. She presented them
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  Speaker 1: to sixty two soldiers in front of about a hundred
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  Speaker 1: thousand people at Hyde Park. UH. And it has gone
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  Speaker 1: on to remain the highest military honor that one can receive.
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  Speaker 1: And Bill Speakman got it right away. Because of this,
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  Speaker 1: this story caught the public's imagination. Uh. He really was
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  Speaker 1: incredibly brave. And to hear him talk about it, he's like, man,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it was just doing what I was trained
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  Speaker 1: to do. So yeah, it's it's rarefied air. Indeed, the
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  Speaker 1: medal has been awarded one thousand, three d fifty eight times,
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  Speaker 1: but only fifteen medals been awarded since World War Two.
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  Speaker 1: And if I'm not mistaken. This would have been the
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  Speaker 1: first VC to be awarded by the current Queen, Queen
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  Speaker 1: Elizabeth the second. Yeah, that's correct. So he loved his country,
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  Speaker 1: loved being a VC recipient. He did not care in
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  Speaker 1: any shape, form or fashion to be referred to as
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  Speaker 1: the beer bottle VC because he thought it made the
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  Speaker 1: army look bad. He thought the implication people would get
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  Speaker 1: from this was that he and his colleagues were drinking
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  Speaker 1: on the job and they weren't weird. Fact, you know
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  Speaker 1: what they used the beer for. They used it to
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  Speaker 1: cool down gun barrels. Apparently I didn't know that. I
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  Speaker 1: did not know that either, and I still. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if you are listening and you were one of your
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  Speaker 1: relatives was in the Korean War or associated with it,
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  Speaker 1: let us know if that's true, because it sounds like
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  Speaker 1: a convenient excuse, you know what I mean, Sorry, Sarge,
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  Speaker 1: we're not This beer isn't for drinking. These guns just
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  Speaker 1: gets hot. Well it's true, though, Ben, they do get
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  Speaker 1: pretty hot. And you know, these kind of situations require
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  Speaker 1: thinking on your feet, using once you have around, as
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  Speaker 1: evidenced by this whole situation, which made him one of
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  Speaker 1: the like a national hero basically, and he returned back
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  Speaker 1: to his home town of Altrinsham in Cheshire, and he
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  Speaker 1: was beloved. There was a parade for him before he
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  Speaker 1: got home. People had like cleaned his house for him,
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  Speaker 1: and he was treated very differently and he didn't particularly
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  Speaker 1: care for it. He did not adjust very well to
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  Speaker 1: life as a civilian, and he re enlisted pretty quickly. Yeah, yep.
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  Speaker 1: He went on to serve in the army until nineteen
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  Speaker 1: sixties seven. He served in the Indonesia Confrontation, the Aidan Emergency,
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  Speaker 1: the Malayan Emergency. In twenty fifteen, he made a return
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  Speaker 1: trip to South Korea along with other veterans of the war,
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  Speaker 1: and when he was there he donated Hisctoria Cross to
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  Speaker 1: South Korea. He believed it started there and he thought
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  Speaker 1: it was sensible to leave it there and believe he
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  Speaker 1: had a replica made that he gave to North Korea.
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  Speaker 1: Does the yeah, yeah, right, because you know, you want
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  Speaker 1: to be fair. What's interesting here is that the Victoria
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  Speaker 1: Cross he donates to South Korea is not a replica,
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  Speaker 1: but it is a replacement. You see, like so many
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  Speaker 1: veterans of wars Speakman was lauded at the beginning, but
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  Speaker 1: later fell on financial hardship, right, and he sold his
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  Speaker 1: original Victoria Cross, using the money to put a new
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  Speaker 1: roof on his house and only later was given a
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  Speaker 1: genuine replacement. Not to mention that in nineteen UM he
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  Speaker 1: was actually given an absolute discharge from the service because
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  Speaker 1: he was arrested and borrow for stealing hundred and four
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  Speaker 1: pounds from a woman's purse. Um. And it was likely
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  Speaker 1: only his you know, lauded military career that kept him
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  Speaker 1: out of jail, right. And he was never really comfortable
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  Speaker 1: with this um, this heroic image. He wasn't comfortable being
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  Speaker 1: a walking icon. We've got a quote from an interview
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  Speaker 1: he did with the BBC around the time he went
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  Speaker 1: to South Korea. He said, it started to dawn on
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  Speaker 1: me as the days went by, stopping in the street.
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  Speaker 1: No matter what where you went in ultra cham, people
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  Speaker 1: were trying to do things for you. I didn't realize
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  Speaker 1: why it's got the VC really, because I only did
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  Speaker 1: what the other guys did. We fought and that's what
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  Speaker 1: we were trained to do. So he wasn't into the
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  Speaker 1: you know, the ego boost the hero worship stuff, and
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  Speaker 1: he didn't want people to think that he was some raging, violent,
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  Speaker 1: drunk carousing and careeming throughout the Korean War. He was
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  Speaker 1: a guy with a job and he did it as
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  Speaker 1: seriously as he could, even when that involved throwing rocks
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  Speaker 1: and stones and ration tins, which technically, depending on whether
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  Speaker 1: the tins were empty or full, could make this a
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  Speaker 1: food fight. That's very true. He only just recently passed
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  Speaker 1: away in June at the age of ninety um. He
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  Speaker 1: had immigrated to South Africa several times and come back,
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  Speaker 1: but then ultimately returned to the UK, to Chelsea, which
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  Speaker 1: is where he passed away at the Royal Hospital and Chelsea, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: it's a retirement home and nursing home for around three
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  Speaker 1: veterans of the British Army. And with the passing of
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  Speaker 1: Bill Speakman, we see the end of his story, his
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  Speaker 1: his part, his small part of the Korean War, which
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  Speaker 1: as we record this episode today still technically continues the
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  Speaker 1: two countries sharing that peninsula, and he stayed, you have
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  Speaker 1: not made peace, but it is an eternal hope for
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  Speaker 1: the people and the governments of both sides. That was
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  Speaker 1: like the safest, most diplomatic way to say. I think
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  Speaker 1: that's very smart to keep it, you know, it. Diplomacy
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  Speaker 1: is key here Ban diplomacy is key. And you've been
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  Speaker 1: to South Korea twice. Yeah, yeah, I am probably going
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  Speaker 1: back later this year. Actually really Yeah, it's a thing though,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, you just find yourself in situations. Well, I guess,
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  Speaker 1: so we'll make sure to bring me another hat. That's
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  Speaker 1: become our tradition. Now. Yeah, I'm glad you appreciate it
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  Speaker 1: very much. So you gotta go sometime if if you
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: get the chance, I'll say it. I know this is
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: the most square thing to say about visiting a place.
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  Speaker 1: But the food is amazing. Yeah, it looks like it
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: every time you guys go. I can't, can't look away
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  Speaker 1: from the Instagram stories. So much delicious Korean barbecue. There's
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: a new Korean barbecue place in Decatur as well, down
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  Speaker 1: the street from where we record this podcast. Yeah, it's legit.
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  Speaker 1: It gets the stamp. What's it called D ninety two?
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  Speaker 1: No idea where the name comes from. I'll have to
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  Speaker 1: check out. I love a good Korean barbecue and Ben,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: by the way, unrelated with food related, Happy National Burrito Day.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, You're welcome. I didn't want to have to
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  Speaker 1: remind you, so I'm glad that you're saying it. And
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: thank god we've got leftover Chipotle in the office today
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  Speaker 1: so I can honor this holiday with Gusto. Yes. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: And we also worked down the street from a restaurant
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  Speaker 1: called Gusto and a restaurant called Chipotle, and a restaurant
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  Speaker 1: called Chipotle. Uh, Casey, Pegram are you are you a
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: fan of burritos? Love a good burrito? Yeah? How what
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: would be your ideal burrito? Um, I'm pretty weird about burrito's.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I I do not pack my burrito with much of anything. Yeah, exactly.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I get like steak, rice, cheese, and that's that's it.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I'm good. No beans, no, no beans, bean free, Casey,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: no beans, Beegram on the case. So this concludes our
• 21:59
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