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Valley of Headless Men · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Among the world of true crime, you can find many
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  Speaker 1: types of stories. There are tales of bloody murder, crude torture,
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  Speaker 1: inspiring survival, and even the strangest of mysteries. The story
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  Speaker 1: of the Headless Valley is probably the oldest story we
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  Speaker 1: have covered to date on this podcast, with roots that
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  Speaker 1: go back tens of thousands of years, where tribes of
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  Speaker 1: indigenous worn all those they can against making the journey
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  Speaker 1: through the virtually untouched Nahani Valley. But as with all warnings,
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  Speaker 1: there are always people who do not heed the words
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  Speaker 1: of caution.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben and I'm Nicole and you're listening to Wicked.
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  Speaker 1: And Grim, a true crime podcast warning. The following podcast
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  Speaker 1: material in more mature audience listener discretion. You're yawning, Are
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  Speaker 1: you okay?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a rough day.
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  Speaker 1: Been a rough day. Yeah, it's tough working for yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, it kind of is actually, and generally the days
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  Speaker 2: fly by, but today it dragged the ship on, Like
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  Speaker 2: I literally feel like it's midnight for some reason.
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  Speaker 1: Really it's well, I mean it's almost nine, but still, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's definitely not midnight.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why. I think it was because
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  Speaker 2: I was doing kind of more like financial behind the
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  Speaker 2: scenes banking relationship that just like drags you through the mud.
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  Speaker 1: All that good entrepreneurial fun stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the stuff that no one talks about that just
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  Speaker 2: sucks you dry.
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  Speaker 1: You know the best part about actually being able to
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  Speaker 1: work at home and being for yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Though, what's that I can have an alcoholic beverage whenever
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  Speaker 2: I want in my bosses and give a shit, which
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  Speaker 2: is awesome. It is awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you are your own boss, so I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: you give a shit in some sense.
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  Speaker 2: Well I know, but if I'm like at lunch, I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I don't drink a lot, but like at lunch, if
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I'll have a glass of wine or
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  Speaker 2: maybe an hour before my day ends, like it doesn't matter,
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  Speaker 2: Like it's fine, fair enough. My boss is totally fine
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  Speaker 2: with it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure my boss would be pissed.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I have to say. Yeah, the safety guy
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  Speaker 2: is not allowed to drink on the job.
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  Speaker 1: No, No, safety guy is not allowed to go to
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  Speaker 1: work and say, hey, do this shit safely. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: go drink a beer over here. I don't think that
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  Speaker 1: would fly.
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  Speaker 2: You would not last long probably not, oh boy.
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  Speaker 1: Although I think I would probably be one of the
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  Speaker 1: more popular safety people every Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So we hit a big milestone.
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  Speaker 1: We did.
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  Speaker 2: We kind of hated that at last episode, but we
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  Speaker 2: didn't denounce it.
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  Speaker 1: We did put it up on our social media.
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  Speaker 2: On Instagram because it was a real So I don't
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  Speaker 2: think we put it on Facebook.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's right. But but we hit one million downloads?
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  Speaker 1: Holy shit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was only about seven months ago that
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  Speaker 1: we celebrated half a million downloads. Yeah, so that is
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  Speaker 1: pretty incredible thing.
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  Speaker 2: Mind blowing so much. Yeah, you guys are freaking amazing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you blow our minds.
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  Speaker 1: Boom, Yeah, that was my mind blowing.
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  Speaker 2: It's gone, it's gone, and Ben's one presenting, so we're screwed.
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  Speaker 1: Well that was the episode today. Hope you enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 1: Stay wicked. Oh before I do present my mind blown case.
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  Speaker 1: Those two have nothing to do with each other, but
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  Speaker 1: I just said it that way anyways, because why not.
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  Speaker 1: I have a Patreon the thing we had we do
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  Speaker 1: We had one person sign up on Patreon. So this
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  Speaker 1: is our shining star this week. Ryan mcgeechee, I really
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  Speaker 1: hope I said your name right. Thank you Ryan, I'm
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  Speaker 1: pretty sure it rhymes with peache.
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  Speaker 2: So, Ryan mcgeechee, it sounds like you said it right.
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  Speaker 1: I hope I did.
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  Speaker 2: Ryan, will let us know. Let us know, Ryan, let us.
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  Speaker 1: Know if we said it right or wrong. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to assume for now we got it right. I want
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  Speaker 1: to get into this one though, because this is going
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  Speaker 1: to be a fun episode. We were just looking back
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  Speaker 1: at some of the ones I've been doing recently, because
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  Speaker 1: it was a couple months ago. We're like, we've been
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  Speaker 1: doing really heavy shit.
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  Speaker 2: M h.
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  Speaker 1: I looked at the ones I've done specifically, You've covered
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  Speaker 1: a couple heavy ones, but I specifically have been going
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  Speaker 1: with some like oddball ones. How did you word it
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  Speaker 1: weird or strange or.
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  Speaker 2: Something out of the ball or what did I say?
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  Speaker 2: I can't We did a pre show on Patreon tonight.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know.
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  Speaker 1: But anyways, some different ones. Yeah, and I got another
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  Speaker 1: different one for you here today.
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  Speaker 2: Have I done any light hearted ones?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I maybe you need to look back and you maybe
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  Speaker 2: need to tell me to do a light hearted one.
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  Speaker 1: You're all about like necrophilia stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, No, I'm not. I've done maybe like a handful
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  Speaker 2: of that of those kind of cases, Yeah, and.
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  Speaker 1: I think I've done like zero of them.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. Yeah, I do tend to pick
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  Speaker 2: heavier cases, so I'll have to maybe try to get
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  Speaker 2: a light hearted one here.
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  Speaker 1: Well, when I pick heavy cases, it's usually graphic stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, pick like disturbing stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And because the heaviest cases that we've done, you
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  Speaker 2: have done, though, I will say that I don't like
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  Speaker 2: what was it for? Four days of Hell? Yeah, the
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  Speaker 2: Hello Kitty one? Those are horrific.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you've also done some horrific ones too, like
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  Speaker 1: the Japanese dude what was his name?
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  Speaker 2: You thought that one was horrific, the celebrity cannibal or
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  Speaker 2: whatever his name is. But that was disturbing. It wasn't
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  Speaker 2: as graphic as it actually it was.
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  Speaker 1: How is that not graphic?
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  Speaker 2: We have to move on. I'm spirallyle I've done some
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  Speaker 2: brutal ones.
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  Speaker 1: Well. Today, like I said, it's a different one. It's
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  Speaker 1: another mystery. This is the case known as the Valley
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  Speaker 1: of the Headless Men. Okay, so this episode takes place
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  Speaker 1: in the Nahani Valley, which is located in the Canadian
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  Speaker 1: Northwest Territories.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome.
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  Speaker 1: We're bringing it home to Canada for this one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we said we were overdue.
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  Speaker 1: And this valley is a large untouched area that is
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  Speaker 1: basically straight out of a fantasy story. It is currently
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  Speaker 1: listed as an USECO World Heritage Site. And it's basically
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  Speaker 1: like there's these fifty sites worldwide that it's like these
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  Speaker 1: are kind of like a natural wonder there's world sort
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  Speaker 1: of thing. Okay, I think there was fifty of them
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  Speaker 1: on this list. This is one of them. And it
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  Speaker 1: is forty seven four hundred and seventy thousand hectares of
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  Speaker 1: undisturbed natural area.
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  Speaker 2: Really yes, holy shit.
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  Speaker 1: It's filled with massive jagged mountains, large expanse, lush forest,
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  Speaker 1: rolling rivers, and a hell of a lot of wildlife.
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  Speaker 2: And is it untouched touched mostly just because it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of hard to get to it's dense or you'll be
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  Speaker 2: going over that.
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  Speaker 1: Mean we'll be going over that. So it is a
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  Speaker 1: remote location. It's closest civilization is yellow Knife, which is
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  Speaker 1: over five hundred kilometers away, which I believe is about
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  Speaker 1: three hundred miles and I think that's only like twenty
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  Speaker 1: thousand people, So not a very big location next or
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  Speaker 1: even close to it. So this patch of land is
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  Speaker 1: quite literally one of the hardest places to visit in
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  Speaker 1: the world. Wow, it's insane. Now it is only accessible
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  Speaker 1: to fly in by play or travel up river by
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  Speaker 1: a long journey of boat ride unless one quite literally
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  Speaker 1: plans on traveling through literal, uncharted, dense boreal forest on foot.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's terrifying.
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  Speaker 1: Which is like weeks probably like maybe even like month
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  Speaker 1: plus of travel like good luck. Yeah, So all in all,
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  Speaker 1: it's a that nature lover's dream. The South Nahani River
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  Speaker 1: would take visitors through the four canyons that are over
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  Speaker 1: three thousand feet high. Whoa, And I could not clarify
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  Speaker 1: how deep some of these rivers are, but it seems
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  Speaker 1: like many of these rivers in some of these air Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: this river in many areas is like exceeding like a
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  Speaker 1: thousand feet deep.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
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  Speaker 1: Again, couldn't clarify it, but that's what it seems. It's
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  Speaker 1: fucking unfathomable.
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  Speaker 2: Basically, you almost have to wonder if there's what's there
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  Speaker 2: right like, because you can't explore depths like that in
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  Speaker 2: a river. So it's like, God, what's living down there.
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  Speaker 1: And going through these because there's four canyons. They're literally
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  Speaker 1: labeled like first, second, third, fourth canyon. Going through these canyons,
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  Speaker 1: it's like sheer rock walls and it's like it's called
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  Speaker 1: the Canadian Grand Canyon. You can't get off the river bed.
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  Speaker 1: You're just on a river with thousand feet deep walls
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  Speaker 1: and thousands of feet of rock cliff sheer up beside it.
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  Speaker 2: That's a visual that's terrifying.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, some of these sections, it's like it gets dark
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  Speaker 1: because it's like blotting out the sky and shit, holy shit,
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  Speaker 1: I mean how dark. I don't know, but I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: it's like it gets very little sunlight. It's wild.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I wouldn't even I would. At first.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, I want to go explore over
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  Speaker 2: there if you can, but no, thanks.
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  Speaker 1: There are some exploration ventures you can take out in
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  Speaker 1: these areas, but it's very costly and very restricted.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, they played home to like I said, these
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  Speaker 1: deep rivers, these massive freaking mountains. They also have plenty
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  Speaker 1: of deep unexplored caves along these canyon walls, massive waterfalls,
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  Speaker 1: and of course animals that have had absolutely zero contact
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  Speaker 1: with humans. So I imagine walking through it'd be like
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  Speaker 1: freaking snow white with deer just standing next to you,
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  Speaker 1: zero fear sort of thing. One waterfall in the area
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  Speaker 1: is actually named Virginia Falls. It stands a massive ninety
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  Speaker 1: two meters high, which is twice the size of Niagara Falls.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, and is.
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  Speaker 1: Labeled as one of the most beautiful waterfalls in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, is there photos of that? Yep, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: have to look that up.
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  Speaker 1: Its amazing. Do it up, Virginia Falls. It's amazing. I'd
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  Speaker 1: be so lucky to see that in a lifetime. Now.
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  Speaker 1: The waterfall has actually sparked many stories and legends on
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  Speaker 1: its own. Like you said, it's like what's in there?
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  Speaker 1: People haven't been able to explore it, right, So some
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  Speaker 1: of these we'll discuss a little bit later on here,
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  Speaker 1: But one of them I want to mention is that
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  Speaker 1: the waterfall actually filled the valley below with so much
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  Speaker 1: mist that it was like very humid environment down there below,
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  Speaker 1: like lots of moisture in the air, so much so
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  Speaker 1: that a rare orchid is actually said to bloom in
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  Speaker 1: the area.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. See, I was feeling like there's things in this
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  Speaker 2: area that we probably haven't seen regularly I would assume.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, now, nowhere Canadian orchid has ever been proven
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  Speaker 1: to exist in the shadows of these falls, But that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean that the story is untrue, because, like
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  Speaker 1: we've said, the exploration is pretty minimal. So the Nahani Valley, though,
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  Speaker 1: is it's an untouched landscape. It's a wonder, it's a beauty.
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  Speaker 1: But despite all this, very few people and almost no
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  Speaker 1: one actually wants to go there now, probably because A
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  Speaker 1: it's dangerous as shit like traveling in there, and B,
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's northern Canada, especially near the winter, cold
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  Speaker 1: as fuck right.
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  Speaker 2: Like I can say that again, but I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean jokes aside, there's also another reason why people generally
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  Speaker 1: straight away from the area. Now. It all starts with
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  Speaker 1: the Danehey people, Now they can trace back their ancestry
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  Speaker 1: back over ten thousand years before the Europeans ever landed
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  Speaker 1: in the area in the eighteenth century. They passed stories
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  Speaker 1: down from generation to generation and still to this day
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  Speaker 1: they passed these stories down. Now they warn anyone trying
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  Speaker 1: to go into the valley that they're about to step
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  Speaker 1: into an extremely evil place.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, because what did you title this or what did
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  Speaker 2: you say it was called.
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  Speaker 1: The Valley of the headless Men.
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  Speaker 2: Oh God, okay, yeah, holy shit.
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  Speaker 1: Now, their ancient stories tell of an ancient tribe. I
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  Speaker 1: probably should have used better words description there. Their ancient
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  Speaker 1: stories tell of an ancient tribe. My bad on that one.
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  Speaker 1: But anyways, they tell of this ancient tribe of warriors
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  Speaker 1: that once lived in the Nahani Valley and the terrible
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  Speaker 1: fate that happened to them. Now, the Danehey tribe once
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  Speaker 1: had been war with these people, and they were called
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  Speaker 1: the Naha people who lived in this valley, hence the
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  Speaker 1: Nahani Valley the Naha people.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: So, the Naha were an aggressive people. They were strong
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  Speaker 1: and stood very tall, especially compared to anyone in the
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  Speaker 1: Danejey tribe. They wore fierce masks that struck terror into
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  Speaker 1: those who came face to face with them. Some stories
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  Speaker 1: say that they wielded weapons unlike any but the dnae
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  Speaker 1: Heey people had ever seen before, and other stories even
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  Speaker 1: said that they were a tribe of cannibals. So, according
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  Speaker 1: to the Danaee people, they were constantly living in fear
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  Speaker 1: of the Naha. All too often they would find themselves
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  Speaker 1: waking up in the middle of the night to screams
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  Speaker 1: as their village was under attack. Now the Naha would
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  Speaker 1: attack them, They would steal food, pillage, and kill the
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  Speaker 1: strongest warriors in their tribe before they disappeared back into
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  Speaker 1: the darkness of the valley, leaving behind the ter terrified
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  Speaker 1: people wondering when they would be.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, well, yeah, because they're just like weakening
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  Speaker 2: the tribe every attack, then, hey, that's terrifying.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly Constantly trying to keep it as weak as possible
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  Speaker 1: would most likely have been their goal. So the danae
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  Speaker 1: Hay tried as best as they could to keep themselves
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  Speaker 1: prepared to fight back, but the Naha attack so often
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  Speaker 1: that they could never really stand a chance. They couldn't
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  Speaker 1: get their strength up. That is until one day the
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  Speaker 1: danae Hay finally managed to get a party of warriors
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  Speaker 1: ready to strike back. The Naha had an attack for
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  Speaker 1: a while, and it was just long enough that they
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  Speaker 1: were able to prepare this offensive attack onto the Naha.
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  Speaker 1: So under the cover of darkness, the danae Hay made
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  Speaker 1: their way into the valley and found the Naha village,
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  Speaker 1: and they stormed into their homes, hoping to end the
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  Speaker 1: war right then and there. But when they did so,
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  Speaker 1: they were met with a very baffling discovery. The Naha
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  Speaker 1: were nowhere to be found. They vanished, just gone.
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  Speaker 2: I would be like, eerie, hey, like you're just guns
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  Speaker 2: of blazing, like going in, they're gonna stir some shit
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  Speaker 2: and just yeah, no one's there.
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  Speaker 1: It's like you finally have this pause. It's just enough
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  Speaker 1: time to fight back and you go in and now
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  Speaker 1: you're learning why there's this pause.
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  Speaker 2: But you'd almost wonder. I feel like I would at
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  Speaker 2: first think, Okay, where the shit are they? Like, are
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  Speaker 2: they expecting us to come? Like, holy shit, where are
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  Speaker 2: they hiding?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're probably almost panicking. Yeah, did they go to
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  Speaker 1: our village?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So you'd probably have a lot of things running through
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  Speaker 1: your mind. Is this an ambush of sorts? Are they
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  Speaker 1: over in our village right now? Are they waiting the
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  Speaker 1: bush line to come ambush us as we're in there?
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  Speaker 1: Like who knows?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, it was their entire village though, mind you,
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  Speaker 1: not just their warriors. Their entire village was gone. It
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  Speaker 1: was deserted. Their tea piece reportedly stood there still tall,
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  Speaker 1: but not a single person was around looked like everyone
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  Speaker 1: in the whole village had just gotten up that day,
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  Speaker 1: dropped everything, and disappeared and just vanished. So both the
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  Speaker 1: Danaey and the Naha people reportedly already spoke of evil
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  Speaker 1: spirits that I kind of already alluded to, and also
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  Speaker 1: giants that lived nearby that stole people away, cooked them
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  Speaker 1: in the hot springs in the valley.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 1: So when the Danae warriors found the Naha village completely
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  Speaker 1: deserted and they were nowhere in sight no matter where
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  Speaker 1: they looked, they assumed that this was probably their.
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  Speaker 2: Fate holy which is I don't know, terrifying. I feel
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  Speaker 2: like both the most terrifying out come possible, because then
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  Speaker 2: you're like, are we next? Like how would you even
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  Speaker 2: fight that? Right?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? Exactly. So they brought this news back to their home,
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  Speaker 1: to their own village, and after that they never stepped
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  Speaker 1: foot back in that valley again. They didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: anger whoever or whatever caused the Naha to disappear, and
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  Speaker 1: like you said, they wanted to avoid the same fate.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, or try to at least.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So that valley was after that strictly off limits.
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  Speaker 1: No one went in there, and still to this day,
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  Speaker 1: the Danehe people claim that one then sorry, no one
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  Speaker 1: from the Naha was ever seen again. Wow, But the
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  Speaker 1: disappearances would only be the first of a very long
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  Speaker 1: and disturbing history regarding this place.
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  Speaker 2: Holy okay, this is fucking scary.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is like I said, this is a different,
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  Speaker 1: different tale here, But I never said it's not going
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  Speaker 1: to be a bad one. Not interesting still because holy.
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  Speaker 2: Fuck, well freaking whole tribes just disappearing. That's that's a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's one thing to think of like an
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  Speaker 1: ancient story of like tribes disappearing, right, And it's like,
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  Speaker 1: oh yeah, there's stories of that all around the world,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: which there really is. I think the Mayans for example,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: all this sort of stuff, Egyptians, whatever. But now we
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: have this history moving forward still thousands of years where
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: it continues.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still like untouched land, like you don't go there.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So bring us forward several thousand years into the
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: eighteenth century. Many places all over the United States, North America, Canada,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: we're all expecting or sorry, experiencing what we now call
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: the gold Rush. We actually have a town not too
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: far from us known as Barkerville.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we love Barkerville.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Awesome there. So if you ever get the chance, head
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: to Barkerville. It's an awesome little place. Gold Rush town, beautiful,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: lots of history. Anyways, I digress. So they're experiencing the
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: gold rush. Entire towns and villages sprang up in remote locations,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: previously uninhabited patches of land to support these prospecting miners,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: all of them in search of gold. Right, I think the.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Uh stretch to get there? What do they always say,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: strike rich, strike it rich?
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Think of the prospector from the Rudolph movie,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: realf Rednill's reindeer. There's gold in these mountains and he
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: pick nothing. That's the kind of guy we're looking at here.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: So in this time, three prospectors decided to try their
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: lock up north now where it had spread of an
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: untouched valley up in the Nahani River. And these three
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: men knew that they might be able to find gold
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: up there, especially being first because it was quote untouched.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: So in nineteen oh four, three brothers, Charlie Frank and
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Willie McLeod set off from Alberta to what we now
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: call the two hundred Mile Gorge they intended on heading
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: up to Alaska through the Nahani River area, prospecting on
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: their way, Alaska being where a lot of people were
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: headed for gold, so they are going through trying to
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: find gold along the way they struck it perfect. If not,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: they make their way over to Alaska where everyone else is.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: But in doing so, like this Nahani untouched River area
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: was a shortcut to the Alaska area.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Did they not know the stories?
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Well, they may have known some, but what we do
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: know though, as per short cuts, shortcuts are usually a
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: short cut for a reason, because otherwise they would just
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: be the normal way to go.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, they ended up finding themselves following what is
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: called the flat River heading upstream into the Nahani Valley,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: ignoring the warnings from the danae Hey people that I'm
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: sure they received.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: The McCleod brothers only had the most basic camping gear,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: their guns, their tools for prospecting, and of course, Canada
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: being Canada, had a very cold winter, especially apparently particularly
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: this winter. Okay, but regardless, they were very experienced outdoorsmen.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: They knew how to handle themselves, They knew how to
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: survive the winters, the wilds provide for themselves, you name it.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: They were not going into this blind basically.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like they thought they were set. They
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: were ready to go one hundred percent.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you look around, look at people like
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: around here where we live now, we're smacked AaB in
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: the middle of British Columbia. There's a lot of outdoorsmen here,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: most of which today they think they're very capable in
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: the bush. Put them out there for a week on
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: their own, with the kind of gear that these guys had,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: they'd be dead in three days. These guys different story.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: You could easily put them out there with nothing and
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: they'd probably have a cabin built in a week.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, so yeah, very comfortable, very knowledgeable, very experienced.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Well, and we're talking the nineteen hundreds, right, This is
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: the kind of person you have to be to even
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: exist in this type of lifestyle.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: They didn't have places like Atmosphere or whatever where you
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: could go buy. No, you're five hundred dollars jackets and
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: shit to keep you warm.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: You're not going to have a North faced jacket in
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: your Arctic sleeping bag. It's just not going to happen.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: So anyways, on their very first day in this area,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the brothers made their camp and they struck it big
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: on the river side, did they. In no time at all,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: the brothers had filled every single spare container they had gold.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Reportedly, oh my gosh.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: And they marked the spot on their maps, knowing that
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: they couldn't possibly carry anymore. They were going to come
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: back later.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Right, that's exciting as shit for them.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: So they piled it into their boat and set along
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: the flat river. Now the flat river is anything but flat,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: and like I said, it's not a short cut. Well,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: it's a shortcut for a reason, because it would be
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: the way otherwise, right, right, So the brothers found out
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: very quickly and the hard way that only a little
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: bit downstream from where they were, you know, the river
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: became much more turbulent, okay, And in doing so, trying
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: to go through these rapids, their boat flipped and destroyed.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: H and they lost all their gold, oh you bet you,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: They managed to swim ashore picked some of the gear
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: that they could, but most of their supplies mining gear, gold,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: the boat gone.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, that would just be devastating, wouldn't it.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So undeterred though, the McLeod brothers made camp again.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: They did have some supplies they managed to save. Now
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: they now had to build another boat, however, to continue
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: on the river and get their way out of there.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: And they figured by the time they'd done that, that
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: have all the gold they need once again if they
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: mined the river there where they're making camp. Okay, but
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: this time they weren't so lucky. By the time the
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: boat was done, the brothers had nothing to show for
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: their mining in the air shit, and of course they
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: were out of their supplies too, So, not wanting to
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: risk it, McLeod brothers headed home. They needed to get
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: out of there, They needed to restock and supply right
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: and the two of them knew that they wanted head
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: straight back right away. They had a taste for gold
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: and they found it along the river, and gold fever,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: which was a very real thing, had a grip on.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Them, right. Yeah, I actually remember learning about that at Barkerville.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, gold fever had people going nutso yeah. So in
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: nineteen oh five, Frank and Willy, two of the brothers,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: organized another trip to head right back.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, just two of the brothers, sorry, just two Okay.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: They took better gear this time, but Charlie, the third brother.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: He didn't want to test his luck again. He's like,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: you know what, I don't know about this. That was
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: pretty rough waters and stuff. We flipped it last time,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: you guys, go do your thing. So Charlie out of
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the picture. Frank and Willy actually brought along a friend
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: by the name of Robert Weir instead to replace Charlie
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: on the adventure or expedition or whatever you would call it. Yep,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: So they had left for the border between the dnay
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Hey people's land and the valley. They hopped into the
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: canoe and started paddling upstream or boat or whatever it
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: really was. It's kind of unclear, but this was the
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: last time anyone saw them alive.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. So that one brother, I was like,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: this is going to pay off for him.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a a life changing decision. Yeah, a
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: life saving decision.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Which is always yeah, you got to
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: listen to your gut. But that's also he just has
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: lost to brothers, which is devastating.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: It is, and I do want to mention here, like,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: because they were expected to be for gone for quite
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: some while, it took a long time for anyone to
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: really realize that these two brothers were missing.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they had been gone for about a year by
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: the time their brother Charlie began to suspect that something
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: was wrong.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: That's a really long time.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, remember this is the nineteen hundreds, so
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: and assume that they were busy mining gold up there
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: there in the middle of nowhere. A year with a
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: word of them was kind of probably like, I don't know,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: equivalent of the Kardashians not upgrading their Instagram in one day.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Like that's kind of what I'm assuming here.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's actually probably a very good comparison.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I mean it's true. I'm sorry, but it was like
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: he was like expecting to hear from them within a year,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: sort of. Okay, so when the year lapsed, he's like, okay,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: maybe something's going on.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: It was much harder to get in touch with people
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: back then.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure, there's no cell phone there. Yeah, there's
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: now no FaceTime. Probably not even pigeons to carry a
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: fucking letter for you. No, so I'm sure there was pigeons,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: it just didn't use them in this For I'm gonna
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: go and up into the bush gold mining. I doubt
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: he brought a fucking pigeon. Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: But anyways, by this time Charlie had to wait though,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: even though by the time he discovered like, hey, something
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: might be going on, he had to wait for the
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: following summer for it to be safe for him to
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: follow his brother's trails in search of them.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: So it was about two years almost.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I can't even imagine not even being able to go
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: an investigator, like it's going to be on your mind,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: but there's literally nothing you can do nothing. I hate
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: that now.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: This is also kind of when rumors began to run
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: rampant about these men striking it rich in a river
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: full of gold. There was talk in the area of
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: the area in the valley that there was gold like
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: no other There was gold everywhere. There was this great,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: big waterfall that was like another world. The forest even
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: surrounding the waterfall was tropical, with you know, orchids growing
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: in the midst.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it felt magical.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: It does. There was even rumors of like ancient beasts
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: like mammoths and shit starting really basically like an El
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Dorado sort of situation that these two brothers had stumbled on,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: so the ancient creatures, tropical all that sort of stuff
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: aside the gold was enough to strike people's interest in
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: the potential of making their own move in the area.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Thinking that these two brothers were up there found all
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: this gold, there's no need for him to come back
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: living a life in this like golden freaking mine of gold,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: if that makes sense, which the.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Brother could have even thought that too, right or potentially,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: because I think lots of times back then like yeah,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, your life situations change and there isn't the
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: means of really letting people know or whatever. So I
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: feel like that could have been an option too, right,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: that the brother was sinking exactly.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: So this sort of thing piqued a lot of other
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: people's interests, and they were now thinking about making their
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: own move into the area for search of gold and
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: finding this plot of gold that the brothers found too,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: and getting their stake and their share in it. So
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: back to Charlie though. In nineteen oh eight, he and
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: a search party of four of other men headed out
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: following the river upstream where he and his brother set
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: out a few years prior to go for gold. So
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: it was on July twenty fourth of nineteen oh eight,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: he would find his brother's camp on the river bank
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: of the South Honey River. It was just around the
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Second Canyon area, and here is where he would find
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: his brothers as well. Now he instantly knew something terrible
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: had happened to his brothers. They looked like they had
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: been coming out of the tent when whatever happened had
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: happened to them. Oh no, One of them was found
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: halfway in and halfway out of the tent, the other
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: just in front, his arm still stretched out and reaching
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: towards a gun that was leaning against the tree just
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: a few feet away. Both of them were badly decomposed,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: and both were missing their heads.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: WHOA okay, And.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: It was actually only through their clothes and some of
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: the personal items left inside the tent that Charlie was
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: actually able to identify the remains. They were decomposed fairly badly,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: mind you, And there was no trace of the third man,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Robert Nils.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, I was just gonna ask where's the friend?
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: No, he was gone. So with him gone and the
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: only two witnesses to what had happened dead, there was
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: nothing for Charlie to do but to head out of
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: the valley and notify the RCMP or the Royal Canadian
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Mounted Police for those non Canadian people out there.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Did they think that, did Charlie think it could potentially
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: have been the friend?
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: There is speculation of that. I'll touch on that here shortly. Okay,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: So the RCMP also made their way to the scene,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: where they also found a carving on a tree nearby. Now,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: this carving said quote, we have found a good prospect.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Neither of the men had any gold on them, and
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: there wasn't any at the campsite. There was no gold
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: to be found. But yet they rode on a tree.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: We found a good prospect.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: And there had been the rumors and stuff too, right
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: that they had, yes, found.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: In fact a good prospect an El Dorado, if you will. So,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: of course, with the missing gold, these two men killed.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: The theory that you just mentioned sprang out that maybe
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Robert had killed them stolen the gold. However, another set
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: of skeletal remains, also missing its head, was found downstream
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: a few months later. Oh okay, No one could confirm
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: then it belonged to Robert, but in the end they
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: attributed the remains to him.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: That it was most likely.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, and just like the other two before, no
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: gold was found. The RCNP then said that all of
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: the men had died out of starvation and claimed that
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: large animals like bears and wolves had then gotten to
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: the remains and that was why the heads were missing,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: and they.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Just went after the heads. That's it. Hey, yeah, apparently
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: that doesn't make any sense.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Doesn't make any sense whatsoever. They will pick your body clean. Bears,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: for example, They'll they'll start with your stomach, they'll over
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: the organs.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: I was going to say that because the head isn't
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: the juiciest part of the ba is a terrible description.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: But what what an animal will do. They'll bite your neck,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: they'll break your neck and paralyze you, and then they'll
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: start eating your soft underbelly. You'll see that in wildlife constantly.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: They go for like the butt and the underbelly. That's
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: where all the nutrients and the best meat and stuff is.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Why would they go for a skull?
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: And they don't. But isn't it Sometimes they don't even
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: kill you. They'll start eating you alive.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. If a bear, excuse me, if a
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: bear attacks you, wolves attack you, cougar whatever, they don't
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: kill you. They just eat you. Yeah. Yeah, there's recordings
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: out there of individuals getting attacked and yeah you hear
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: eating and screaming.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Holy shit. See, this is why I have a fear
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: lately of going hiking. Like, I don't know, it's terrifying.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Animals are terrifying.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: They're terrifying.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Nature is fucking scary.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: It is scary.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: So I highly doubt that animals are responsible for removing
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: a head and consuming only ad.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Only the head. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: No, they'll pick you clean, they will. They'll eat you,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: and a bear, particularly grizzly, will drag you away and
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: bury you for later because they like that rancid meat.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah, the visuals here.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Beautiful right, yeah, can smell it?
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Anyways, news quickly spread, adding some legitimacy to the Danehey
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: story about the evil spirits in the valley. But it
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: looked like McCloud's had struck gold in the valley not
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: once but twice.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, so they should have had some money or some
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: gold should have.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: But the first time we have a witness, a brother
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: who said, yeah, we had a shit ton of gold
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: but capsized.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Second time, around, they rode on a tree. We found
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: good prospect, right, So there's there's gold there and there
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: should be law of it by the sound of it.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: So that patch river was was named the Headless Creek, sorry,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: the headless the Headless Creek, I kind of headless creek.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure you can imagine why the valley renamed
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: the Headless Valley. And still because of the rumors of gold,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: people went out in search of the McLeod's mind aka
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: the el Dorado of the North.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, nothing will deter people.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Hey, no, people will do fucking anything for money, guarantee.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean it also does sound just like almost
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: heaven on earth to write the description of the Okay,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: some of the descriptions, like the waterfall, the orchid, like
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: the tropical not the headless men.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: But yeah, definitely not but yeah, the endless riches of gold. Yeah,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: beautiful tropical location in the Canadian North with beautiful beasts
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: and flowers like, yeah, it sounds like an el Dorado
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: and that's why it is named the El Dorado of
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: the North. And I'm I'm sure that picture, coupled with
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: gold fever would draw the attention of some individuals. Oh yeah,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: which it most certainly did.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, everyone also thinks it's not gonna happen to me.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's now, let's talk about some other individuals
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: that ventured into the area and their fate. So in
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventeen, a prospector named Martin Jorgensen wrote home saying
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: that he found gold in the Nahani Valley. Martin was
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: all in his own and he planned to be out
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: in the wilderness looking for gold all through the winter.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: To survive, he'd built a small wooden cabin, and while
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: doing that, that's when he struck gold. He wrote home,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: telling his partners to meet up with him when it
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: was safe to travel. But when Martin didn't show up
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: at the meeting spot he'd specified, they knew something was
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: most likely wrong. Fearing the worst, his partner set off
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: into the valley to look for him and find him.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: They did headless.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: He was right beside his cabin, which had been completely
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: burned down, and he was headless.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: That being the fourth bought body total that had been
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: found without its head. Prospector assuming because of the third body,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: is not clarified if it was that individual, but it's
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: attributed to so we can assume. However, though, even still
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: being the fourth body, headless fourth prospector, the police made
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: zero connections between Martin and the McLeod brothers at the time.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: His head was, of course, never located, and neither was
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: the gold that he claimed to have found in his
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: letter to his partners, just like the others, head gone, gold.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Gone, Yeah, exactly the.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Same, and no one around to be.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Of witness or anything.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no one to attribute it to. The News about
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: this discovery also quickly spread, and the elusive McLeod mine,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: you know, it's reignited. Prospectors flooded the valley.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that is just so bizarre to me.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: It's okay, Yeah, some of them made it out of
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: the valley alive, completely unharmed.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's good.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Some of them not so lucky.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: And did any of them that made it out alive
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: also make it out with a bunch of gold?
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Probably not not that I found. I'm sure some people
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: found some gold. I mean they say, like on the
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Fraser River, which is just running through our city. If
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: you go gold panning on the Fraser River, you will
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: find gold, and you will find it every single time.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: But the amount is very, very small. Yeah, so it's
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: probably like, I don't know, if you pan for half
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: an hour, you might find five cents in gold, but
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: you will find gold like every time.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: That's really cool though.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: I actually kind of want to go do it one day. Yeah,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: But there's there's legality issues with that.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Oh is there there is?
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I wouldn't even have known that.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I think you'd probably just go to like a spot
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: where you're not no one's watching you and just go pant.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: People do that all the time. I think, if you're
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: going to pan for an afternoon, I don't think anyone
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: will fucking care.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: But probably not.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: But there is legal issues with it. That's what they
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: call it, a claim, a claim to hold the rights
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: to pull the minerals and stuff out of the river. Okay, yeah, anyways.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: The next story is nineteen twenty six. A woman named
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Annie Lafferty was part of a hunting party near the
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Flat River. Now. When everyone at camp went to sleep
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: for that night, she was still with them, but when
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: they woke up in the morning, she was gone. The
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: hunting party spent the day looking for her, but when
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: they couldn't find her, they were unfortunately forced to move
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: on without her.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Oh boy.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Now they did notify the RCMP, who came out and
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: searched the area, but they couldn't find Annie anywhere. Now.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Months later, a Native American called Big Charlie heard about
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: the search and went to speak to the place himself.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: He claimed to have been near the hunting party that night,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: not being part of the same group as them, but
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: out on his own camping near the same river, heard
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: the sounds of rocks falling into the river. In the
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: middle of the night, he claims to have seen a
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: woman out in the forest and heading up the mountain
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: a little ways away from where he had made camp.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: He said that she had been completely nude and clearly
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: out of her mind. She'd been crawling on all fours,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: knocking rocks into the river as she was climbing up
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: the mountain. He said that she looked possessed, which is
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: why he'd been too afraid to chase after her himself.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I don't think I would. Yeah, that's terrifying.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: That was the last suspected sighting of Annie.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Huh wow, Okay.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: She'd never been found.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Now, only a year later, in nineteen twenty seven officials
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: in the area discovered the skeletal remains of a man
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: just off Bennett Creek. This man went by Yukon Fisher
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: and the Royal. The RCMP had actually been on the
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: lookout for him several years earlier when they found him
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: in the valley. Now they had caught wind of him
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: trade gold nuggets for goods along the frontier, but they
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: couldn't have expected to find him dead remarkably close to
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: where the McLeod brothers had been found about twenty years before.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Only a year after that.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Headless or no, they're not headless anymore.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: No, he wasn't headless. Only a year after that, though,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: a prospector called Angus Hall just vanished. He was walking
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: ahead of his party when they suddenly lost sight of him,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: and he was never seen again.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: In nineteen thirty one, another burnt down cabin was found
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: with another body inside of it. Phil Powers had been
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: another prospector out in the search of gold. But this time,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: and to great dispute, the RCMP ruled the death to
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: be the result of a faulty stove pipe burning his
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: cabin down. Now, others claimed that it was clear that
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: the fire had started on his roof, which would have
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: given Phil plenty of time to escape had he had
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: been alive at the time the fire had started, adding
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: speculation to him being killed prior.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: And there's there's too many cases that it's just there's
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: something going on.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Well, there's more to come because in nineteen thirty six,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: two more prospectors, Bill Muholland and Bill Empire, disappeared. Search
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: of the valley came back with nothing except their cabin,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: which had also been completely burnt to the ground.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: In nineteen forty five, Ernest Savered, a minor from Ontario,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: was found dead in his sleeping bag. He was headless.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: His head was never found, but something else was not
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: too far from where his body was. Out in the forest.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Trapped by the name of John O'Brien was found sitting
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: next to his campfire. In his hands was a match,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: but John was frozen to death before he was able
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: to get the fire started in front of him.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Oh boy.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Witnesses would later say that it looked like John had
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: been quote flash frozen, because he looked like he had
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: been fine one moment and completely frozen stiff the next.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, which is not how it really works.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Generally.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: In nineteen forty six, another prospector named John Patterson went
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: into the valley and failed to meet up again with
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: his partner later at the arranged time and place. His
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: partners notified the police, who then went in search of
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: the valley, but they didn't find anything until the last
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: night of the search. Just as they were about to
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: leave the area for good. On the last night of
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: the search, local indigenous made their way to the camp
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: who specifically warned the search party about quote white figures
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: that were out and about that night. They warned them
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: that they were down by the river and they were
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: in the forest as well, but they had one more warning.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: They said that the party should be extra careful to
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: make sure that the white figures didn't see them. That night,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: people in the search party claimed to have heard strange
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: noises and wailings coming from the forest that they had
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: heard on the previous nights of the search. The very
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: next morning, the leader told the party to pack their things. Yeah,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: and they got out of there before nightfall.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Get the hell out. Could you imagine that? Oh? I
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: don't think that you would get like a wink of
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: sleep that night.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Probably not.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's terrifying.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Now to continue on with those white figures. I didn't
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: write this down, this part down. I didn't do any
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: research on it, but I did hear a couple other
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: podcasts talk about it. When I was kind of doing
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: some research on this case, there was stories of creatures,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: we'll say, Harry creatures to me, very reminiscent of the
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: description of Bigfoot or yet.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where I went to.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, being in this valley and they quote were led
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: by a pale skinned woman, the Yetties, the Yetties or
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: whatever they were. So these, huh figures sound a lot
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: like that to me.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Wow, okay, I mean honestly, I like there's a lot
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: of people out there that believe in that, right, Yeah,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: in those figures what would you call them, those beings? Yeah,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: and that would be the place that they would be.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Oh you bet right? Oh you fucking bet y'a.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: So, I don't know, I can see it. I maybe
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: believe it.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I Yeah, I'm a believer, let's put it that way.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: So since nineteen oh eight, an established sorry an estimated
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: forty four people have either met mysterious deaths or simply
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: disappeared in the Nahani Valley and that's since nineteen oh eight,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: starting with the Brothers. Now, maybe they only became part
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: of like a name on the list attributed to the
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: individuals who passed away in part of the story of
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: the Headless Valley or sorry, Valley of Headless Men. But
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: also maybe their deaths have really kind of proven the
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: dnae Hey people's story of evil spirits, potentially hungry cannibalistic
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: giants or potentially even just who knows, the Naha people
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: are really still alive and causing all this themselves.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Oh geez, gone there, yeah.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it was a simple warlike tribe that's just
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: out there. Who are you know, taking care of unwanted
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: visitors in their home. It's a very high possibility. I
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: don't know, very high, but it is a possibility.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: And now you can go and take a tour and
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: pay big.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Bucks, well, I mean some of it. Like the truth is,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: we still don't know why people disappeared to start off
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: with in the Naha in the Nahani Valley, and we
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: probably never will. But patches of the valley and many
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: of the surrounding Headless Valley being specifically, have been permanently
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: closed to the public. You cannot go there.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's probably fair, but there.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Are some spots you can go to and it is
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: very restricted.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: The official statement on why is that they've been closed
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: to protect the land from us, but there are many
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: people out there who think that it's actually the other
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: way around, protecting us from the land.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's almost like a government Like what's the conspiracy. Yeah,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: like that's the one area fifty one right, fifty one. Yeah, yeah,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: kind of like that, Like this is restricted, Like, don't
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: go there. There's like weird shit going on.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't go here, but there's nothing secretive happening.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but don't go there. Fine, Like if you went there,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: you'd be fine, right, Like, but don't go there or
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: we'll shoot you. Huh.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: So Yeah, that's the story of the Valley of the
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Headless Men.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Is it weird that I still have this like slight
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: desire to go there, No.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Because it sounds like a gorgeous place.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: It does sound unbelievable, but it's also terrifying. I'd be
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: scared shareless.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Now, couple that with the idea of you being able
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: to go there and strike it rich overnight. Yeah, and
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: gold fever and all that sort of stuff. What is
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Kiwi doing.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: He's we are being possessed right now by something. Yes,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: that happens almost nightly.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: I know's he's acting acting a fool up in here. Yeah,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: calm down, Kiwi, He's good. Probably not, but yeah, that
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: was a wild story that was fun to research.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: It would be interesting to research that one.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: It was. It's a different case because it's like a
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: little bit history. Who knows if it is crime being involved.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: I maybe it is animals, but I think the likelihood
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: of it being animals zero to none.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it would have to be some sort of animal
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: that we're not like it used to, that we don't
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: know of, because yeah, I don't feel like an animal
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: would just be like ripping off people's heads and no
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: and call it a day now.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: There is a couple things that do want to say
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: against this, though, too. One out of forty four potential people.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Of course, some of those are just people going in
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: the river, drowning, getting lost, that sort of stuff.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Legit survival like gone wrong kind of.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, but that doesn't explain all of it.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: People's missing heads, women acting possessed in the middle of
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: the night sort of thing. These white figures. There are
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: reported stories, and I'm going to go the whole Sasquatch
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: route here for a second. There are reported stories and
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: there is some photographic evidence. I'm not going to say
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: it's evidence per se, because it doesn't really prove anything.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: It just shows some weird shit, But there's photographic evidence
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: of sasquatch suspected sasquatch activity where deer's heads have been
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: like twisted and like twisted off in that area, just
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: like in Pacific Northwest.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, So I hate.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: That there's photos of deer's head, Like people find just
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: a dead deer randomly and its head is like twisted
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: and its neck has been like twisted around like five
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: or six times, So like, what the fuck's doing that?
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah? What would be doing that?
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: And I would think that whatever is doing that could
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: potentially be the same thing or whatever that removes some
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: heads in the Headless Valley potentially.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: And I mean it honestly sounds like a place that
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: that would they would just thrive there, right, like yeah,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: watches or whatever.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: So an untouched fucking valley, yeah, that humans cannot get to.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Even if they can get to, they're not allowed to
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: get to. And if they do go there. It's heavily
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: restricted and toured through.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, like there just be endless food and resources
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: for them and they can do their go on the
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: merry way.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: One thing that I want to think about here is
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: these cave systems up on the side of these canyons.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Literally no one's ever.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Been in Oh my gosh, Okay, that's terrifying.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Not a single person, not a single human that we
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: know of, has ever stepped foot in these caves.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: I don't think I would even like you couldn't pay
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: me enough money to go in to one of those caves.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: No, No, what if that is like a civilization in
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: there of these creatures are being I'm not saying that
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: they are dead, probably especially if you go in there,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: but I'm not saying that they're simply like, oh, you know,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: they're they're digging holes in the side of the mountain. No,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: what if it's just like a lookout into the canyon
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: and it goes like miles off into the forest other
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: directions and connects to other ones on the other side,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: and like all this weird crazy stuff. There's a big
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: old rabbit.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Hole going down, No kidding. I feel like you could
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: probably even spend more time on this and probably you
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: could have just gone crazy.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Now I want to touch on the most realistic situation,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: and it might not be the situation that I think
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: most people would really think is the most realistic, but
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: it is to me. What if there is an untouched
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: tribe of indigenous out there, someone that's a tribe that's
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: completely disconnected, that is very much so protecting their land
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: from invaders. Because there are untouched tribes in the world today, few,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: but there are. What if there is one in this
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: area that we just have never realized is still there?
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: H I feel like at this point we would know,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: you would think, but possible, I don't know. Yeah. Wow,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: so yeah, it's crazy to think though, like just how
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: the technology and everything that we have that there's just
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: in the world. Really there's still so much unknown?
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah right, Well look at the oceans for example,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: like we know like what like five percent of our oceans. Yeah,
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: that's like and I'm talking like like mapped, that's not
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: even like what lives in it.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It kind of makes you, for one, feel very
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: small and then also very terrified.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not to say space, you know, yeah, what do
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: we have mapped of space? Literally? Nothing, not a lot.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: There's our moon, that's another planet. What's on it? No
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: fucking clue, you know?
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Like really, yeah, Ben could do a whole another podcast
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: or many episodes on just all this shit. I feel like, oh,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: you get talking about this, like he won't stop if you.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Give me a drink and get me on these sort
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: of weird topic shit, I'll keep going for days.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: For days, I've had to hear a lot of these
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: theories and these thoughts.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Which leads me to say, I should probably shut the
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: fuck up here. We should probably let you guys go.
• 51:56
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• 51:59
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  Speaker 2: Yeah very cool.
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  Speaker 2: You brought us down another rabbit hole as per usual.
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  Speaker 1: As per usual, this one was a weird one, but
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  Speaker 1: a fun one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was fun all right.
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  Speaker 1: Well until next episode, which we got. I got another
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  Speaker 1: bit more the murder out this time. But until then,
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  Speaker 1: until then, stay wicked.