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• 0:11
  Speaker 1: Is the gold reward. Tonight, Anthony Ibnezi tells yet another porky.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you this is becoming pathological. Peter Dutton wins
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  Speaker 1: last night's debate, but shows why he's losing the campaign,
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  Speaker 1: and two big back downs from Donald Trump, as China
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  Speaker 1: and Russia call his bluff signs of trouble, and Nimham
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  Speaker 1: tells Muslims the issue about this Australian election is not
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  Speaker 1: Australia at all. The Palestine, so vote green and across
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  Speaker 1: the Vatican with crowds are gathering to view the body
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  Speaker 1: of Pope Francis. But first I saw one of the
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  Speaker 1: saddest press conferences ever today, the coalition's press conference to
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  Speaker 1: announce their defense policy at last. But it wasn't bad
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  Speaker 1: because of what opportune leader Peter Dutton said, or as
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  Speaker 1: Defense spokesman Andrew Hasty allowed at last to speak. What
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  Speaker 1: depressed me were some of the questions deeply, deeply un
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  Speaker 1: serious and part of this wider cultural rot of a
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  Speaker 1: fracturing society that's looking at everything through identity politics. Now
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  Speaker 1: the opposition today actually now something big. I mean another
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  Speaker 1: twenty one billion dollars over five years for our defense.
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  Speaker 1: It's still not enough, but it is a lot. I
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  Speaker 1: promised the lift defense spending as a share of our
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  Speaker 1: economy to two point five percent in five years and
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  Speaker 1: three percent in ten. There's still way more than labor.
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  Speaker 1: And it's good because even labor defensemans of Richard Mars says,
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  Speaker 1: we do face the most dangerous strategic circumstances since World
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  Speaker 1: War Two. I mean, you've got China openly threatening war
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  Speaker 1: against Taiwan. You've got China even sending three warships to
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  Speaker 1: circle Australia, firing weapons to intimidate US. And, as Hasty
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  Speaker 1: pointed out, with Trump gone, now are the days when
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  Speaker 1: we could rely on American help. Yeah. With all these threats,
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  Speaker 1: the Albanezy government has actually weakened our military, stripped it
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  Speaker 1: of weapons, even of rounds for live fire training for
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  Speaker 1: our soldiers.
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  Speaker 2: Under this labor government. In fact, under labour, we've seen
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  Speaker 2: eighty billion dollars worth of cuts, delays and reprioritizations to
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  Speaker 2: the defense force, and we are now weaker as a result.
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  Speaker 2: They've cut our infantry fighting infantry fighting vehicle program, They've
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  Speaker 2: cut our two supply ships, They've cut the fourth squadron
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  Speaker 2: of thirty five's. They are busy cutting and weakening this country,
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  Speaker 2: and that's why today's announcement is so important. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to increase our defense spend to two point five percent
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  Speaker 2: of GDP within five years, and out to ten years
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  Speaker 2: it'll be at three percent. Labor has revised its own
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  Speaker 2: figure of two point four percent down to two point
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  Speaker 2: three in ten years. They are making our country weaker.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so we face a very serious danger and we
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  Speaker 1: get a serious response from the liberals worth discussing, right,
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  Speaker 1: But a whole chunk of today's press conference got diverted
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  Speaker 1: because of a personal opinion that Andrew Hasey expressed to
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  Speaker 1: me seven years ago when he was a backbencher. Something
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  Speaker 1: he said was based on his experience as a captain
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  Speaker 1: in our elite sas fighting in Afghanistan under sometimes extreme conditions.
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  Speaker 2: I think roles in the ADF should be open to women.
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  Speaker 2: I've worked with a lot of women, great signalers, great
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  Speaker 2: intelligence operators, a whole range of roles. They performed very well.
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  Speaker 2: My personal view, since you've asked me, is that close
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  Speaker 2: combat roles are incredibly exacting. That's why we have rigorous
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  Speaker 2: selection courses, and my personal view is that the fighting
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  Speaker 2: DNA of a close combat unit is best preserved when
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  Speaker 2: it's exclusively male. Now that's not a popular view.
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  Speaker 1: No, wasn't a popular view with some activists and gender warriors,
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  Speaker 1: an ABC journalists and the like. And seven years later,
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  Speaker 1: Defense Minister Richard Miles says, with views like that, Andrew
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  Speaker 1: Hasty can't be a defense minister. Now.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's untenable for an alternative defense minister.
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  Speaker 1: That's from Richard Miles, has never served in war, even
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  Speaker 1: in peace. In fact, if anyone is disqualified from being
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  Speaker 1: a defense minister, that is Richard Miles, who has weakened
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  Speaker 1: our military exactly when we badly need it to be stronger.
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  Speaker 1: Now today Hasty said again and again, look that was
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  Speaker 1: a personal opinion back then. There is not going to
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  Speaker 1: be any change to the coalition's policy or the Army's
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  Speaker 1: policy to let women serve anywhere. But journalists took the
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  Speaker 1: labour que and tried Hasty for thought crimes. He was
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  Speaker 1: badgered on the ABC this morning again, this press conference later,
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  Speaker 1: and check out the outrage when he added the obvious
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  Speaker 1: rule that if you wanted to be in combat, whatever
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  Speaker 1: racial gender you were, you had to meet the physical
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  Speaker 1: standards for that role.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think women should serve in combat roles in
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  Speaker 4: the idea?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the coalition policy is that all combat roles are
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  Speaker 2: open to women. It's been a long standing position. So
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  Speaker 2: we need to be able to win every fight that
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  Speaker 2: we go into, and that's why we'll uphold high standards.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 5: Are you saying that women have lower standards?
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  Speaker 4: Is that what you're saying?
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  Speaker 1: Hardly?
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  Speaker 2: It hardly saying we have one standard?
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  Speaker 4: Sounds like from that answer that you still think women
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  Speaker 4: aren't strong enough?
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  Speaker 6: Is that?
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  Speaker 7: Is that right?
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  Speaker 5: That women aren't strong enough to deal with that sort
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  Speaker 5: of combat you described?
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  Speaker 2: Again, it's no, I didn't say that at all.
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  Speaker 1: Do you not believe in your own policy? Then if
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  Speaker 1: that's your personal belief for the coalition policy, it's all
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  Speaker 1: being different.
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  Speaker 2: I'm standing right here saying there's one policy. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this is kind of student politics stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, I actually think most of the strands watching that
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  Speaker 1: from hore with it. What Why did Hasty say that
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  Speaker 1: so bad? All it's physical standards must be maintained. And
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  Speaker 1: anyone saying well that's wrong, maybe they shouldn't be so
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  Speaker 1: tough for women is actually agreeing that women do tend
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  Speaker 1: to be weaker and in battle that could get them
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  Speaker 1: killed and maybe some of their comrades with them. And
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  Speaker 1: then there were other snarky, desperately unserious questions, smirk on
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  Speaker 1: face questions about the opposition's defense policy, like.
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  Speaker 4: This, are you doing this in response to Donald Trump
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  Speaker 4: suggesting that countries like Australia should increase their GDP. That
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  Speaker 4: did the share of GDP defense spent to three percent?
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  Speaker 8: Remember the Turki Beasley called for three percent of GDP
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  Speaker 8: to be spent on defense.
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  Speaker 4: Donald Trump has done that recently within.
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  Speaker 8: The last tel This this election is between Anthony Abnezi
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  Speaker 8: and I.
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  Speaker 1: This is a Trump policy to defend Australia. I mean seriously.
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  Speaker 1: And of course some are the questions that repeated the
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  Speaker 1: Labour line as put out by Treasure Jim Chalmers earlier.
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  Speaker 1: They're not saying where the money is coming from. They're
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  Speaker 1: not coming clean on their cuts.
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  Speaker 9: Have a lot of money over the decade.
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  Speaker 10: How will you fund that.
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  Speaker 1: Now? I guess you know that would be normally a
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  Speaker 1: reasonable question, And Dutton responded that would come from things
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  Speaker 1: like scrapping that small tax cut that labor promised, plus
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  Speaker 1: savings he claimed you'd find once he was in government,
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  Speaker 1: but wouldn't tell us now. But I've got to ask
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  Speaker 1: where Jim Charmers gets off. Demanded to know where's the
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  Speaker 1: money coming from? When Charmers is the guy that's just
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  Speaker 1: run up a twenty seven billion dollar EPICID this year
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  Speaker 1: and will next you slap another forty two billion dollars
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  Speaker 1: on the credit card? He doesn't care where the money's
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  Speaker 1: coming from if he's spending it. And that's where those
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  Speaker 1: journeys of the money. Where's the money coming from, mister Dutton?
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  Speaker 1: Do they actually care that? Labor meanwhile, is not bothered
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  Speaker 1: at all to make things add up as just getting
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  Speaker 1: usteeper in debt, double question at double standards here now,
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  Speaker 1: of course, there are legitimate questions, serious questions to ask
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  Speaker 1: haste the inductment about this policy today, as some journalists
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  Speaker 1: at the press conference did ask them, like why didn't
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  Speaker 1: they say, were all these extra defense billions are going
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  Speaker 1: to be spent on what programs? Especially? And why wait
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  Speaker 1: so late to reveal a policy so important for playing
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  Speaker 1: this gender politics instead treating biological reality is an insult
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  Speaker 1: to women. All of us need to get serious again
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  Speaker 1: now when this country is at the brink of a
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  Speaker 1: possible war. Got to concede that the Prime Minister today
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  Speaker 1: did have a point about the coalition's defense policy.
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  Speaker 10: This is once again a media release in search of
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  Speaker 10: a policy, a media release in search of some detail.
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  Speaker 10: It's extraordinary that you make this announcement with a very
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  Speaker 10: large figure in the tens of billions of dollars. You
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  Speaker 10: can't say what you will use the money for.
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  Speaker 1: Prem minise that war's a high VI is so often
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  Speaker 1: you must now have built a house at least surely
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  Speaker 1: which you could point us to what he's doing with
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  Speaker 1: this high vis anyway. Join me is Peter Jennings, a
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  Speaker 1: former Deputy Secretary for Strategy in the Defense Department, our
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  Speaker 1: director of Strategic Analysis Australia. Is also co author of
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  Speaker 1: this new book that I've highlighted before in this show
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  Speaker 1: no higher Priority, spelling out exactly what we do need
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  Speaker 1: to spend on for our military. Peter Jennings joins me.
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  Speaker 1: Now the coalition's defense policy today, Peter, and thank you
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  Speaker 1: for joining me. Your response, well, I.
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  Speaker 9: Would have liked to have seen it sooner, and I
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  Speaker 9: would have liked more detail as well. But there's now
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  Speaker 9: a measurable difference between the Coalition and labor on defense,
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  Speaker 9: and the measure is twenty one billion dollars, which is
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  Speaker 9: the extra money that the Coalition would spend over the
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  Speaker 9: first five years, lifting defense spending from two percent to
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  Speaker 9: two and a half percent of GDP, and then in
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  Speaker 9: the five years after that, lifting it to three percent.
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  Speaker 9: So you know, that's a very considerable sum. It would
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  Speaker 9: actually go quite a long way to reverse the significant
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  Speaker 9: decline that the defense force has gone through over the
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  Speaker 9: last three years or so, and it would start to
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  Speaker 9: give us the capacity to bring into defense a range
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  Speaker 9: of long range weapons and new technology, which we most
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  Speaker 9: surely need andrew for the strategic circumstances that we're facing
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  Speaker 9: with a more aggressive China and now Russia piling into
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  Speaker 9: the region as well. So I think this needs to
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  Speaker 9: be taken seriously, and I hope people do consider it
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  Speaker 9: carefully before they vote yes.
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  Speaker 1: I do find it curious they didn't say where or
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  Speaker 1: even indicate where it be spent. I wonder whether it's
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  Speaker 1: because they've promised so much other money during the campaign,
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  Speaker 1: they ran out of what they hoped to do, and
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  Speaker 1: now they haven't figured out what the priorities really are.
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  Speaker 1: How to make it all fit. But look your book,
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  Speaker 1: and we've talked about this before, Peter, You've got a
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  Speaker 1: whole list of suggestions here. If I gave you twenty
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  Speaker 1: one billion dollars to spend over five years, what would
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  Speaker 1: you spend it on? What should it be spent off?
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  Speaker 9: The first thing I do is look for weapons that
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  Speaker 9: have got range and can deter aggression in our region.
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  Speaker 9: And so that would make me look two things like
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  Speaker 9: the long range strike bomber, the new one, the B
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  Speaker 9: twenty one that's rolling off production lines in the United States.
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  Speaker 9: I think we're going to have to urgently address the
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  Speaker 9: failure of the Collins class submarine, the significant delay now
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  Speaker 9: in upgrading those submarines, because I suspect what's going to
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  Speaker 9: be found is that they can't be upgraded, and therefore,
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  Speaker 9: to avoid a gap between the Colins retiring and the
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  Speaker 9: new where submarines arriving, we're going to need some sort
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  Speaker 9: of interim capability. And then finally, Andrew's stemming the flood
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  Speaker 9: of people leaving the Australian Defense Force because they know
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  Speaker 9: that this current government doesn't have their back. They've watched
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  Speaker 9: the Defense Force lose so much capability that I don't
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  Speaker 9: think we could end twenty twenty five mount a large
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  Speaker 9: scale stabilization operation like we did in his team more
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  Speaker 9: two and a half decades ago, and so finding ways
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  Speaker 9: to make people want to join and to see the
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  Speaker 9: value of military service, I think that's where my priority
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  Speaker 9: would go.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, when you say that, Peter, that we couldn't even
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  Speaker 1: mount any team more type operations, think really what that means,
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  Speaker 1: viewers these we were fighting a militia with shotguns and
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  Speaker 1: bows and arrows, and even then we needed American logistical
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  Speaker 1: support to get our troops and weaponry over there. That's
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  Speaker 1: how weak we were. And now we can't even do
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  Speaker 1: that when the world's biggest army is threatening. As Peter,
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  Speaker 1: that is such a frightening thought.
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  Speaker 9: True though, Andrew, I mean, we don't have the troop
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  Speaker 9: lift capability with helicopters because the government inexplicitly, inexplicably grounded
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  Speaker 9: them and buried the cut the helicopters up and buried them.
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  Speaker 9: We don't have the logistics support capability because the government
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  Speaker 9: took a decision not to buy two support ships for
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  Speaker 9: the Navy. The list goes on a significant reduction in
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  Speaker 9: the numbers of armored vehicles that are being produced. We've
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  Speaker 9: cut significantly the current defense force in order to pay
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  Speaker 9: for what I call the fantasy force, Andrew, which is
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  Speaker 9: the future force will get at least in ten or
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  Speaker 9: fifteen years time with the new submarines. But of course
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  Speaker 9: you know the force we need is the force that's
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  Speaker 9: going to address the strategic downturn in thee and half
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  Speaker 9: of the decade, and that is terribly under equipped at
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  Speaker 9: the moment and leading to a significant morale problem in
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  Speaker 9: the ADF.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, Peter, this is just so just finally, then there's
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  Speaker 1: criticisms of the coalition's plans. Fair enough, Labor meanwhile, as
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  Speaker 1: you suggest, it's cut a lot of military spending on fighters,
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  Speaker 1: on howitzers, on armored vehicles, on support ships, on patrol boats,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, anti mining stuff, among many other things. Comparing
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  Speaker 1: Labour's defense policy to the coalitions, which is better.
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  Speaker 9: Clearly the coalition, Andrew, I can give you twenty one
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  Speaker 9: billion reasons why it's better, and that's the extra dollars
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  Speaker 9: that a Dutton government would spend on it. Giving some
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  Speaker 9: hope to the ADF to think that they're being supported
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  Speaker 9: by government, strengthening our position in an increasing increasingly dangerous
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  Speaker 9: strategic environment that there's frankly, a very clear choice now,
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  Speaker 9: and I think the Coalition government, by virtue of lifting
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  Speaker 9: that spending to two and a half percent of GDP,
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  Speaker 9: is a much more superior offer.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you maintained that opinion in the face
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  Speaker 1: of this press frenzy over what Andrew Hasey said about
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  Speaker 1: women in combat seven years ago. That suggests, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe what trophy stuff given what you've just done. Look, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: it is so we have got such a deeply unseerious
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  Speaker 1: polity now, Peter, you would despair. Peter Jennings, thank you
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  Speaker 1: so much for your time. It's the whole thing is
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  Speaker 1: just incredible. Really. Now after the break we'll go back
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  Speaker 1: to well, I'll take you to some live coverage from
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  Speaker 1: the Vatican, plus the Donald Trump factor. You know, Trump
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  Speaker 1: is just backed off, just backed off, as Russia has
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  Speaker 1: called his bluff. And this is a dangerous moment China too.
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  Speaker 1: After this, now it's about eleven twenty Rome time, and
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  Speaker 1: for the last twenty minutes the public has been allowed
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  Speaker 1: to start paying their respects. The Pope Francis now that
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  Speaker 1: is body lies in status Saint Peter's. Now here are
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  Speaker 1: some live pictures from Rome of this procession that will
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  Speaker 1: first pass. There's a procession that's going to be passing
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  Speaker 1: through the Santa Marta Square, the square of the Roman
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  Speaker 1: proto Martyrs, and then exit through the arches the bells
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  Speaker 1: into the magnificence of Peter's Square, and from there the
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  Speaker 1: procession goes into the Vatican Basilica through the central door
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  Speaker 1: to where you are seeing the body line right now,
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  Speaker 1: surrounded by Swiss guards. There's going to be a cardinal
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  Speaker 1: presiding of the liturgy of the Word and all that.
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  Speaker 1: And well, I've got to say this ceremony strikes me
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  Speaker 1: as very medieval looking at a body, but that is
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  Speaker 1: the way I guess we've learned to pay our respects.
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  Speaker 1: And there it is the red you will see there
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  Speaker 1: is where in the middle is where the pope is lying.
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  Speaker 1: The funeral will be on Saturday, and the Pope's body
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  Speaker 1: will then be taken from the Vatican, which you see
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  Speaker 1: now across the river to actually his favorite church, the
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  Speaker 1: Basilica di Santa Maria Maggiore, where he prayed on the
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  Speaker 1: very first day. In fact, that he became pope, so
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  Speaker 1: so much to go through over the next few days. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the cardinals are now gathering in Rome, about one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and thirty five of them that are entitled to vote
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  Speaker 1: anyone under eighty. They'll be locked away in a couple
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  Speaker 1: of weeks in the magnificent Systeine Chapel. No newspapers or
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  Speaker 1: radios or TVs allowed to decide. Under my Michelangelo's frescoes,
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  Speaker 1: who among them will be Pope. Now, obviously it's a
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  Speaker 1: bit early to talk about favorites the people that are
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  Speaker 1: talking about it, of course, But boy, there's been some
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  Speaker 1: surprises in the past. And the youngest cardinal there will
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  Speaker 1: in fact be an Australian based guy, Mikola Beechok, is
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  Speaker 1: just forty five, who was actually born and raised in Ukraine,
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  Speaker 1: is with the Ukrainian Church here and is desperately worried
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  Speaker 1: by Russia's invasion of Ukraine. I'll see if we can
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  Speaker 1: take a grab of that. Have we got this? No,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't got it. Well, anyway, here's the thing that
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  Speaker 1: Pope Francis actually was not tough on tyrants. It wasn't
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  Speaker 1: really tough on Russian President Vladimir Putin. He wasn't tough
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  Speaker 1: on Chinese dictator. He was nothing like John Paul Tooo
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  Speaker 1: in fighting tyranny. And I wonder if the church may
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  Speaker 1: be ready for a change again to someone who will
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  Speaker 1: stand up, and maybe our Australian cardinal will have a
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  Speaker 1: say in that. Let's get back to politics in Australia. Well,
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  Speaker 1: let me get into it by a detour, because there
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  Speaker 1: is something that's really alarmed and it is in impacting.
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  Speaker 1: It is impacting the election as well. I back Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump to win the American election, and I'm now thinking
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  Speaker 1: what is this man doing? Great start, but now two
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  Speaker 1: fresh embarrassments today and both involving authoritarian superpowers calling Trump's
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  Speaker 1: bluff China and Russia. And when those countries start thinking
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  Speaker 1: that Trump is a paper target, that is so dangerous.
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  Speaker 1: And indeed Trump has now blinked. Now Trump's tariff war,
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  Speaker 1: it's really caused the International Monetary Fund to cut its
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  Speaker 1: forecasts of growth for US, for Britain, for China, for America,
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  Speaker 1: for the world really, but especially for America. Growth there
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  Speaker 1: cut by one third. America's share market was also tanking
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  Speaker 1: because Trump suggested that he could sack the head of
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  Speaker 1: the fed the Federal Reserve. And he had also smashed
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  Speaker 1: China with tariffs of massive one hundred and forty five percent,
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  Speaker 1: starting a tariff war in which every with China will
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  Speaker 1: hurt the world. Because China did not blink, it simply
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: hit back harder, hitting the US with its own tariffs
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: and its bands, warning other countries not to cut any
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: deal with America that hurt China or else. And now
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Trump has blinked, not just once but twice. First, he said,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: today or the head of the fed to your own power.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't be sacked after all.
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: No, I have no intention of firing him.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: And second, China, well said Trump, all right, okay, the
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: US tariffs were now too high.
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: One hundred and forty five percent is very high, and
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: it won't be that high. It'll come down substantially, but
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: it won't be U zero used to be zero, where
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: we're just destroyed. China was taking us for a ride.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: You know. We did that without China offering him anything
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: in return. Nothing. The Chinese president has bothered calling him. Meanwhile,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Russia now it is also calling Trump's bluff, refusing again
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: and again to agree to Trump's peace plan for Ukraine.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Now Trump is sent negotiators to London to reportedly tell
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Ukraine the meeting there it wants Russia to keep basically
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: every part of Ukraine that Russia has captured in its
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: illegal and I say unprovoked invasion. But even then Russia
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: won more. It is not even said, oh, that's enough.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: It wants all those provinces, including the bits that as
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: a conquered plus plus plus and it is a demanding
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: this because it knows Trump is weak. Join me is
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: the political panel Cameron Milner form which for stuff, the
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: labor leader Bill Short and our director of g Exo Strategies,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: and Michael Costs, the former New South Wales labor treasurer.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Now Michael Trump is so erratic and causing so much
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: pain that it is no wonder to me that the
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: polls in Australia are showing he is really hurting the
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: vote for Peter Dutton. The public is saying, oh, Peter
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Dutton is like a mini Trump, which is unfair. Labour's
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: pushing it. It's unfair, but it's working. Has Dunton handled
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: this Trump factor? Well, well, look.
• 22:46
  Speaker 11: I don't really think that that's the main issue in
• 22:48
  Speaker 11: this election. Look, it's certainly true that any instability, and
• 22:51
  Speaker 11: we've certainly got a lot of instability with Donald Trump,
• 22:54
  Speaker 11: particularly on the economic front, leads to a benefit to
• 22:59
  Speaker 11: the incumbent government. I think, look, the real issue they
• 23:03
  Speaker 11: haven't been able to cut through on cost of living.
• 23:05
  Speaker 11: Having said that, they did make some mistakes which did
• 23:08
  Speaker 11: help portray them as being a sort of tam moo Trumps,
• 23:11
  Speaker 11: as they've been labeled by the opposition, and that was
• 23:14
  Speaker 11: of course, the forty one thousand public servants, the working
• 23:18
  Speaker 11: from home, all of those things were good things, but
• 23:20
  Speaker 11: they weren't able to explain anything, and it seemed to
• 23:23
  Speaker 11: me that they were jumping on these sort of Trump
• 23:25
  Speaker 11: Messiah syndrome because they're doing it in the US, they
• 23:27
  Speaker 11: can do it here and somehow they'll get some credit
• 23:30
  Speaker 11: points for that. I think the really issue is they
• 23:32
  Speaker 11: haven't cut through. I think Peter Dutton, independent of Trump,
• 23:35
  Speaker 11: hasn't cut through and that's still the main issue here.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, I think that's right too. But the slide in
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: the polls coincides with Trump doing a lot of these
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: things and the tag beings. It goes back some a
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: couple of months now. Cameron picking up on what Michael
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: just said in your column for The Nightly this afternoon,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: you say it's actually hard to imagine seeing a worse
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: campaign effort from the Liberals, who say simply wouldn't have
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: been allowed to happen in John Howard's say why do
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: you say that?
• 24:06
  Speaker 12: Or because John Howard actually had the courage to take
• 24:08
  Speaker 12: real policies and real changes the electric like the GST,
• 24:11
  Speaker 12: like work choices. Now as a labor guy, I might
• 24:14
  Speaker 12: I liked them, but at least he took them to
• 24:15
  Speaker 12: the voters.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Peter Dutton hasn't done any of it.
• 24:18
  Speaker 12: So he's coming with a grab bag of ideas, agree
• 24:20
  Speaker 12: with most of Labour's policies, a couple of things at
• 24:22
  Speaker 12: the edges, and then campaign terribly. But this is a
• 24:25
  Speaker 12: bunch of students trying to play a professional game. This
• 24:29
  Speaker 12: has been terrible for the Liberal Party and Sir Linton
• 24:31
  Speaker 12: Crosby and Brien Loft they would never let this happen,
• 24:34
  Speaker 12: and nor woul John Howard as the leader. So I
• 24:36
  Speaker 12: think Peter Dutton's been called it absolutely no man's land,
• 24:39
  Speaker 12: with no good policies, no reason to change for voters,
• 24:43
  Speaker 12: and a terrible, terrible campaign.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: And yet I'm faced with the dilemma here. I mean,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I think there is a dilemma here, Michael. Do the
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Liberals really deserve to lose because they are hopeless at
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: campaigning or does a labor deserve to lose because it
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: is hopeless and actually governing.
• 25:03
  Speaker 11: Well, there's two things here. Firstly, I've never thought that
• 25:06
  Speaker 11: the Liberals could actually win this election. There was a
• 25:09
  Speaker 11: couple of polls earlier in the year that everybody that
• 25:12
  Speaker 11: was keen to sleep and government jumped on. But I
• 25:15
  Speaker 11: think the outcome was always going to be a minority
• 25:19
  Speaker 11: labor government. Though, and this is the worry that there
• 25:23
  Speaker 11: is a possibility of a status quo, that is, a
• 25:25
  Speaker 11: majority labor government. The Liberal parties running around of the
• 25:29
  Speaker 11: coalitions are strategists saying that no, no, that's not going
• 25:32
  Speaker 11: to happen because we've got marginal seapolling that nobody's seen
• 25:36
  Speaker 11: that shows that they can still hold them to a
• 25:39
  Speaker 11: minority government. Look, the question of politicians telling FIBs or
• 25:43
  Speaker 11: exaggerating the truth or exaggerating the benefit of their policies
• 25:47
  Speaker 11: is not something that's unique to this election campaign. You know,
• 25:53
  Speaker 11: let's go to Morrison. I mean, the fact of the
• 25:54
  Speaker 11: matter that he jumped onto the net zero the bandwagon
• 25:59
  Speaker 11: and claim that was something. I'm going to say that
• 26:01
  Speaker 11: planet is enough to make me concerned about it all.
• 26:04
  Speaker 11: You know, he got nine years of failed liberal government.
• 26:07
  Speaker 11: It was a big ass to think that Peter Dutton
• 26:10
  Speaker 11: could knock off Albanize in one term. I think that
• 26:14
  Speaker 11: Peter Dutton is going to rely on those marginal seats
• 26:17
  Speaker 11: to see if he can survive as a leader, let
• 26:19
  Speaker 11: alone win an election.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Is that how you see it, Cameron?
• 26:25
  Speaker 12: Well, I just think Albo is going to be even
• 26:27
  Speaker 12: more smug, even more out of touch if he gets
• 26:29
  Speaker 12: a majority of his own right. I mean, this guy
• 26:31
  Speaker 12: will think he's wipe the floor and been an electoral genius.
• 26:33
  Speaker 12: I mean, last time he had to put up with
• 26:35
  Speaker 12: the voice Andrew that was what his genius idea was
• 26:37
  Speaker 12: an election night. Goodness knows what it'll be this type,
• 26:39
  Speaker 12: but it'll be sort of kind of a reign of
• 26:41
  Speaker 12: error for the next three years if Alba gets a
• 26:44
  Speaker 12: majority of his own right. And I don't think voters,
• 26:47
  Speaker 12: under the cost of living pressure and under the damage
• 26:50
  Speaker 12: that Albanize has got done to their to their working lives,
• 26:53
  Speaker 12: deserve a majority labor government given what Albani's has done.
• 26:58
  Speaker 12: But Dutton might just be gifting it to him because
• 27:00
  Speaker 12: the campaign has been so bad for the Liberals.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I think that's right. I think it's like Kerry Packer
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: said of Alan Bond, you know, you only get one
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Alan Bond in your life and made the deal of
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the century, you know. And I think this has happened
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: here with a terrible campaign. But again here I got
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: to ask Michael Albanize. He said again this week, and
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: he said it a number of times, like he meant it.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: That has always been underestimated. Is it the case that he.
• 27:34
  Speaker 11: Has been He's been very, very lucky. And and I
• 27:39
  Speaker 11: could go to three things that occurred. If if Bill
• 27:42
  Speaker 11: Shorten had have won and Cameron was involved in that,
• 27:45
  Speaker 11: nobody would have remembered Albanise. He was a factional warrior
• 27:48
  Speaker 11: and a pretty effective one at that, but a damaging
• 27:52
  Speaker 11: one as well. The other problem has been the nine
• 27:55
  Speaker 11: years of you know, liberal instability and poor government. And
• 28:00
  Speaker 11: I think the final factor is that, and Cameron will
• 28:03
  Speaker 11: make some comments on this, the decline of the National Right.
• 28:05
  Speaker 11: The fact of the matter is that Albanese reflects the
• 28:09
  Speaker 11: current Labor Party and the current Labor Party is more
• 28:12
  Speaker 11: left wing than it's ever been since at least the
• 28:15
  Speaker 11: Second World War, and Albanese fits that mole perfectly. So
• 28:19
  Speaker 11: he's had a lot of luck. Underestimating him really isn't
• 28:23
  Speaker 11: the issue here. It's the fact that the coalition's got
• 28:25
  Speaker 11: no fiscal strategy, got no general strategy, and it's given
• 28:28
  Speaker 11: him an easy run.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Look, I'm afraid I might have more a very telling
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: piece from last night's debate that might illustrate exactly that point.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Michael Coss and Camery Milner, Thank you very much to
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: you both well after the break. Peter Dutton did beat
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Anthony Albanesi last night's debate. I think he won all
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: debats really, but one answer from last night tells the
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: story about his campaign. Ron Dean after this, do you
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: know all these all these people say, oh, the Liberals
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: might cut the spending of the government. I'm thinking, do
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: you seriously think there is no waste to cut with
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: the government spending like there was? It had the cash
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: coming out of a thousand fire hoses at once. So
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: look an the NDS, just just as one example, the
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: INDs it is supposed to be for people with permanent
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: as significant disabilities right, and I'm very happy to help
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Australians with permanent and significant disabilities. We now spend forty
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: four billion dollars a year on this scheme. And can
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: you tell me how in Australia, a land of beautiful sunshine, climate,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: great food, fresh air, can you explain to me why
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: seven hundred thousand Australians have put up the hands. I've
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: got a permanent and significant disability, seven hundred thousand one
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: in thirty five Australians. How mean you go down your
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: street count I know what is that? Ten houses, about
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: thirty five people? Ten houses? And you tell me in
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: those ten houses you will find one person every ten
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: houses with a permanent significant disability. Not an age care pensioner.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: We already have something for them, you know. Not someone
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: whom maternity leave. We've got stuff for them. Not someone
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: needing childcare. We've got other programs for that a significant
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: It is insane. Australia's got to wake up. How did
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: we get to this with the word cut? When we're
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: faced with spending like that that has seen to be
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: oh my god, let's run ad after and or they're
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: going to cut. They're going to cut. I hope they will.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Hope they will now I said before the break the
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Liberals had run a bad campaign. I'll be able to
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: counter scarce, like I just mentioned. Even though yes, it's
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: true some of the policies have been good. The defense
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: policy criticize it though you may, is infinitely better than
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Labour's policy of cutting the army is so bad that
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: the former head of Armies is they kind of fire
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: bullets now. And it's also true that Peter Dunton again
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: won a debate last night. Again Anthony Albanezy got a
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: bit far.
• 31:38
  Speaker 10: Eder if you were twenty fourteen budget described it as
• 31:42
  Speaker 10: a cut as a saving if you'll been honest a
• 31:45
  Speaker 10: bit the fifty health each thirty b and education every
• 31:50
  Speaker 10: year population is increasing. You had the allocation that had
• 31:53
  Speaker 10: been previously put in the budget prior to your coming
• 31:57
  Speaker 10: into office. You ripped eighty billion dollars out of those
• 32:00
  Speaker 10: two items in two thousand and four.
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: Minister, you couldn't lie straight in bed. Honestly, this is unbelievable.
• 32:06
  Speaker 10: It can go to abuse. Well, it's just the abuse
• 32:09
  Speaker 10: that's a sign of desperation. Frankly, as he's lying, that's
• 32:13
  Speaker 10: a sign of desperation.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: I think they should have been calling it Labour's list
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: from the very beginning with the ready response. But while
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the Channel nine panel gave that debate to Peter Dutt
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: for what It's worth, this question and answer summed up
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: for me the central weakness of the Coalition campaign. There
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: is no narrative, there is no central message.
• 32:38
  Speaker 13: The last time Coalition won from opposition, Tony Abbott had
• 32:42
  Speaker 13: a very clear, simple slogan, stop the boats, end the waste,
• 32:47
  Speaker 13: repeal the carbon tax. People knew what they were voting for.
• 32:51
  Speaker 13: What does the coalition stand for other than being against
• 32:54
  Speaker 13: Albin Easie, Well.
• 32:55
  Speaker 8: Elie, We're for a cut of twenty five cents, a
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: leader in people's fuel, realizing the dream of home ownership again.
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: We're going to cut migration, stop drugs and stop illegal tobacco.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Coming across our borders.
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: More in defense as well, energy policy, about bringing more
• 33:11
  Speaker 8: gas in, about bringing baseload power in. We can bring
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: inflation down. We can help founderies get through this god
• 33:16
  Speaker 8: awful period of the last three years and help get
• 33:18
  Speaker 8: their own budgets back on track.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I think you get the picture. Tony Abbott's famous winning
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: campaign promises were summed up in ten words. Ten words.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Joining me is Rowan Dean who was actually a senior
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: advertising executive or creative award winning World Awards really before
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: becoming editor in chief of The Spectator, Strand and Gun,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: presenter of Outsiders on Sky News every Sunday at nine am,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: and hosts of his own show on Friday's at seven pm. Rowan,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: you know how to make an ad. You know how
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: to run a campaign. An advertising campaign, I've said for
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: many weeks the Liberals needed a simple message, a narrative,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: something like promising, you know, to keep you safe at
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: home and safe in the world, like cut across the
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: cost of living, fight crime, strengthen our military. Instead, I
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: had to edit it right back, a grab bag of
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: un unrelated promises.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Andrew. And the problem was, you're absolutely right they didn't.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Liberals don't have a narrative. But more importantly, Andrew, they
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: don't have a verb. You have to have a verb
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: if you're going to be getting people to vote for you.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: So stop the boats it was a verb. You had
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: scrap the carbon tax it was a verb. Both those
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: verbs were actions that had to be done, and more importantly,
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: there were actions from an ideological point of view. So
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: you could only stop the boats or scrap the carbon
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: tax if you were on the liberal coalition side of politics,
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: because the Left, the Labor and the Grands are ideologically
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: opposed to those positions. So the beauty of those slogans,
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: and those slogans Andrew terrified the Labor Party because if
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: you remember afterwards, everyone and including Malcolm Turnbull, mocked Tony
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Abbott and his three word slogans because they were so effective.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: They were effective because they had a verb e. They
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: had an action that you had to think about, and
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: they had an ideological position that the opposite that their opposition,
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: the Labor Party and the Greens, could not adopt. Now
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: I've said all along that and same would say no
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: to the voice. It was the same thing, a strong action,
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: say no with an ideological position that Labor could not adopt.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: There's no way the Left or Labor could have ever
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: said say no to the voice. So you've got yourself
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: a unique position. You have to have a unique selling
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: proposition with a strong verb. And that's what this campaign,
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: this liberal campaign, has completely failed to do. I don't
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: know what back on track even means, but more importantly,
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: anybody can say back on track because it doesn't have
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: an ideological position and it doesn't have an action. Now
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: I've done to me and sorry. What I would have
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: done is looked for an ideological position and a slogan,
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: and that would have been pull out of Paris. And
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: from that point you could promise the world pull out
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: of Paris will cut taxes, pull out of Paris will
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: make our military great again. Pull out of Paris and
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: we will, we will make businesses boom again. You could
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: do everything from that one hook, from that one ideological
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: position with a strong verb, I.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Would say something else about that rowan. I always have
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: maintained that it is your enemies that will advertise your
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: virtues louder than your friend's will. And the Labor Party
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: did that to Tony Abbott. They said, how can you
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: stop the boat? You can't stop the boats. It's outrageous,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: it's inhuman, it's terrible. Acts the car in texting. You know,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: they kept going at it, and every time they did it,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: a lot of Austrainers would have been thinking, why can't
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: you stop the boats? Why don't we actually sabin tex? Right?
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: But why these people the liberals, well, the liberals are
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: too scared. Now if they get criticized, Oh, I'm not
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: going to do that.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: This is the difference, absolutely and we saw that today
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: with Andrew Hasty, and you went through that earlier on
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: and you were absolutely right. But they keep the Liberals
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: insist on planning this entire election on Labour's playing field.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: They should have They should not be doing that, and
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: that is a huge mistake. They should be forthright, They
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: should be aggressively taking actions that Labor cannot compete with,
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: and that, as you say, Labor have to kick and
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: scream about it, because then Australians sit up and take notice.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: They don't take notice if the two parties look the same,
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: I mean they just why would you take notice?
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned, you know, Andrew Hasty, you know, getting
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: a flack for saying, you know, seven years ago that
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: maybe women shouldn't be in close combat. Maybe we're wrong, Rowan,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: maybe we're wrong. And Andrew Hasty, what would a captain
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: retard of the sas who's fought and Afghan saying what
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: would he know about the battlefield? And Naby see journalist
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: doesn't know.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Better exactly and again playing on labors field. There's pathetic
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: questions from but predictable questions from all the usual suspects
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: in the in the Canra Press gallery. What Andrew Hasty should,
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: of course have said, was straight to the reporters. Have
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: you ever been on the front line in a battlefield
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: and seen what happens? And would you like your sister,
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: or your mother or your daughter to be there? Because
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: I have, and when you've been there, maybe we can
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: sit down and have a discussion about what really goes
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: on there. But them, the coalition policy is to allow women.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: And that's fine, I mean, but he should have taken
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: the fight to them, stepping back from it and you know,
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: distancing yourself from opinions who held in the past. What
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: he said on your show, and wasn't it great to
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: see Kimberly kitchen there? By the way, what he said
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: on correct You speak to anyone who's been in a
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: battlefield position. I have a nephew. The horrors they see
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: and the things they see. The reason they don't want
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: women there is very personal and it's a heartfelt belief.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: And nobody has the right to question their opinions. Who
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: hasn't been in that position themselves? Nobody.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Now, I'm glad you mentioned Kimberly kitching being in that
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: clip I showed of Andrew Hosty seven years ago. A
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  Speaker 1: boy is she missed in the Labor Party. I miss
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  Speaker 1: a person who's a friend, of course, and hello to
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  Speaker 1: Andrew Landau her her husband if he's watching. But gee,
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  Speaker 1: Labor could so much have done with that sense that
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  Speaker 1: she had Rowan Deane, thank you so much, indeed for
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  Speaker 1: your time after the break of Muslim Imam shows what's
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  Speaker 1: so dangerous with some Muslim activists in this election and
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  Speaker 1: what's so dangerous with the Greens. Anthony Albenezy claimed today
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  Speaker 1: he had no idea who the Greens candidate in his
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  Speaker 1: own electorate was, even though he was giving her his
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  Speaker 1: second preference on his how to vote card.
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  Speaker 10: I wouldn't have been able to tell you if you'd
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  Speaker 10: have asked me who the candidate was.
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  Speaker 1: And once again, I don't think the Prome Minise is
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  Speaker 1: telling the truth. He doesn't know who's running against him
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  Speaker 1: in his electorate, who is helping. I think it's just
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  Speaker 1: ashamed or actually scared, scared that you will be appalled
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  Speaker 1: that he is giving a second preference to the candidate
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  Speaker 1: of a party that has inspired due hatred in this country.
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  Speaker 1: A Candida that herself is campaigning for Palestine alongside a
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  Speaker 1: Green's deputy leader refused on the ABC to condemn even
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  Speaker 1: the Jew killing Hamas terrorists.
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  Speaker 14: My name is Hannah Thomas, and I'm your Green's candidate
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  Speaker 14: for Greenlerer. We'll fight for truth, treaty and justice with
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  Speaker 14: Post Nations people and add to the cruel treatment of
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  Speaker 14: refugees and take a strong stand against Israel's genocide in Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: And it's another thing about this Green's candidate, Hannah Thomas,
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  Speaker 1: that amazes me. She says she's a lawyer and an activist,
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  Speaker 1: a writer, currently renting on unseeded Gadiger Land in New
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  Speaker 1: Town and says I moved to this country in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and nine. She came from Malaysia as an international student.
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  Speaker 1: And I can ask, and if this woman reckons she's
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  Speaker 1: on stolen land, someone else's land, our original land, shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: she leave? Joining me are two communications consultants, Gymentoninia Sky
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  Speaker 1: News regular and Christy McSweeney, who's worked for coalition prime
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  Speaker 1: ministers and premiers. Jimmy, why does our premises tell so
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  Speaker 1: many untruths? I mean, seriously, you tell me, what are
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  Speaker 1: the odds that three weeks into an election campaign, he
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  Speaker 1: didn't know who he was running inst in his own electorate.
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  Speaker 1: He never asked, he was never told. He drove past
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  Speaker 1: these campaign posts, didn't take a blind bit of interest.
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  Speaker 1: What are the odds?
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  Speaker 15: Well, it's a shocking plot twist, isn't it, Andrew? I mean,
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  Speaker 15: I don't think anyone could be surprised by this response
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  Speaker 15: from the same Prime minister who said, you know, the
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  Speaker 15: loss of the Voice for referendum wasn't his loss. And
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  Speaker 15: the modeling that predicted that we'd all have cheaper power
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  Speaker 15: bills all of a sudden, wasn't his modeling that he
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  Speaker 15: couldn't take a phone call when Australia was in crisis
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  Speaker 15: because he happened to be in the car. I mean,
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  Speaker 15: the man is not a serious person. He can't be
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  Speaker 15: taken seriously. I cannot believe that he was elected to
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  Speaker 15: lead this country. He hasn't led this country. He socialized
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  Speaker 15: a lot, He's obfuscated every moment of every day. This
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  Speaker 15: doesn't surprise anyone. The terrifying thing about it is that
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  Speaker 15: the nonsense that that candidate just sprouted in that video,
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  Speaker 15: it goes unchecked, and it goes unchecked by the usual suspects, Andrew,
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  Speaker 15: and that's the terrible thing for the democratic process that
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  Speaker 15: we have here. That is arguably the envy of the world.
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  Speaker 1: But Christie, I mean, maybe he's just got a bad memory.
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  Speaker 1: Don't forget. He also said, no, I did not have
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  Speaker 1: a fall off that stage, when the world could see
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  Speaker 1: he fell off a stage. What is that?
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  Speaker 5: That, of course was quite ridiculous, wasn't it to say, no,
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  Speaker 5: I took one step back, I didn't fall I was fine.
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  Speaker 5: There's picture evidence of that, there's video evidence of that.
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  Speaker 5: Not to mention all of the people in the crowd,
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  Speaker 5: but of course the Prime Minister is acutely aware of
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  Speaker 5: who is running against him in his seat. He's acutely
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  Speaker 5: aware of what the labor organization has the preferences, not
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  Speaker 5: just in his seat but in every labor seat around Australia.
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  Speaker 5: I can assure you our Prime Minister has had one job,
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  Speaker 5: which is for a very short time after university, armed
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  Speaker 5: with an economics degree in the Commonwealth Bank, the rest
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  Speaker 5: of his career has been working out preferences and learning
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  Speaker 5: how to win elections and understanding the minusha of preference
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  Speaker 5: counting and how to determine your best opportunity to win
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  Speaker 5: a seat. That is his whole life experience. To try
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  Speaker 5: and suggest that he doesn't know what's going on is
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  Speaker 5: a mockery of really people who sit in Parliament and
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  Speaker 5: do that for a living, because that's what he does.
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  Speaker 1: And don't forget he is actually on the Labor Party
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  Speaker 1: national executive that decides the preferences, is actually on the
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  Speaker 1: body that does hors Mimi. The Greens are going flat
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  Speaker 1: out giving the vote of Muslim clerics who apparently think
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  Speaker 1: that this election in Australia is actually all about Palestine,
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  Speaker 1: which doesn't allow elections, by the way, and that is
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  Speaker 1: the one issue that Muslim voters in Australia should consider.
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  Speaker 1: I'll show you Nimmam who is supporting a Green scandidate
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  Speaker 1: in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 7: I was, you know, honored to be joined by my
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  Speaker 7: d sister Samantha, who has been speaking up about Palestine
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  Speaker 7: and justice for Palestinians. The seat of Wales is a
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  Speaker 7: major opportunity for us to end the domination of the
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  Speaker 7: two major parties. Now we have to have a person
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  Speaker 7: that has been standing for the values that.
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  Speaker 1: We practice in our religion, which.
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  Speaker 7: Is justice for Palestine and Palestinians please support Samantha Jemma.
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  Speaker 1: I have to say I find that rather threatening, where
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  Speaker 1: this election suddenly becomes about, you know, a territory of
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  Speaker 1: war torn territory on the other side of the world.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, look, it's not I don't think that's I don't
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  Speaker 15: think that. That is my take on it was. I
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  Speaker 15: didn't feel threatened, but I would say maybe a little
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  Speaker 15: bit concerned, but not because of what the gentleman said.
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  Speaker 15: Australia is a free country and you're quite right. The
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  Speaker 15: Palestinian territories, the disputed territories, are not free. They don't
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  Speaker 15: have elections there and I just want to point out
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  Speaker 15: to them, should he be a Sky viewer Andrew that
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  Speaker 15: I don't think the Greens do celebrate and support the
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  Speaker 15: same values that most even moderate Muslims would hold around
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  Speaker 15: sexuality and same sex marriage and gender diversity. I am
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  Speaker 15: pretty sure there'd be a fairly fairly swift inter section
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  Speaker 15: or a clash of beliefs where that's concerned. But I
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  Speaker 15: have faith at the Australian public, the general voting public
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  Speaker 15: of Australia, look at that and go, actually, no, we're
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  Speaker 15: not deciding in the future of our country based on
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  Speaker 15: a foreign conflict. We want to be able to send
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  Speaker 15: our kids to school, pay for a holiday a reasonable amount,
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  Speaker 15: for our groceries, our fuel, our cost of living. That
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  Speaker 15: is what I believe, and I don't do it. Full
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  Speaker 15: disclosure for you is I don't do any work in
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  Speaker 15: the political space, in the polling space. So this is
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  Speaker 15: just my gut feel of being old enough to have
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  Speaker 15: been around for a little while now Andrew and having
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  Speaker 15: conversations with the Australian public through my column in the newspaper.
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  Speaker 15: I don't think Australians would look at that, even members
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  Speaker 15: of the Greens. I don't think most members of the
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  Speaker 15: Greens would look at that and go I'm deciding solely
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  Speaker 15: on that issue.
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  Speaker 1: And yet Christy, that is what an imam said after
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  Speaker 1: a public meeting. I've seen the pictures of the crowd
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  Speaker 1: and I've seen others say too. There's even a Nimum
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  Speaker 1: in Sydney saying don't vote, it's not Muslim. This is
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  Speaker 1: really quite concerned, and there's a Muslim vote movement as
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  Speaker 1: well saying vote on the Palestinian issue. I mean, this
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  Speaker 1: is not healthy.
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  Speaker 5: Look if you I mean there are no doubt a
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  Speaker 5: cohort of people out there who will vote on the
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  Speaker 5: Palestinian issue, and the Greens want to capture that vote.
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  Speaker 5: But it's really irresponsible for political candidates to stand there
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  Speaker 5: and not along with people when they say our religion
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  Speaker 5: is justice for Palestine. There's so much work done in
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  Speaker 5: the community of leaders of all fights looking towards Australia
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  Speaker 5: being socially cohesive, and that includes moderate amoms. Really irresponsible
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  Speaker 5: for that former leader of the Greens in Victoria actually
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  Speaker 5: to not belong to those words.
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  Speaker 1: But that's where they're in at the moment, staring a
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  Speaker 1: very deep and dangerous pot. Yeah, germ to Nini, Christip hcsweeney,
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  Speaker 1: thank you very much to you both. That's it for me.
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  Speaker 1: Coming up next is Sherry Marks and good night.