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Ep. 366: Big Conching by the Lobster Condo · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: What I learned going through all those photos is there's
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  Speaker 1: two and in all right, where are we at? All right?
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna set the scene. Here we are. We're in
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  Speaker 1: the Bahamas, and we're departing from a small island with
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  Speaker 1: you know, like a few permanent residents and a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of vacation homes and and things on them, but just
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  Speaker 1: like a small remote island. We're headed out to go
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  Speaker 1: do some spear fishing. We're in a like a pretty
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  Speaker 1: souped up forty ft boats got twin outboards triple what
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  Speaker 1: am I saying? Triple outboards on it? And we're headed out.
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  Speaker 1: Everything around here is pretty shallow, you know. There's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of water ranging from you know, three ft deep
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  Speaker 1: to sixties seventy ft deep in this area, with a
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  Speaker 1: lot of reefs, um, sandy shallowerias, you know which which
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  Speaker 1: which flats fishermen will call flats, a lot of those
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  Speaker 1: around here. But we're gonna be going out into kind
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  Speaker 1: of that mid depth water and we're gonna be looking
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  Speaker 1: for were whole hunting for grouper in the reefs. We're
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  Speaker 1: looking for hog fish um, which I've never gotten before.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna keep our eyes open for conk so to
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  Speaker 1: die for conqu's a big salt water snail that lays
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  Speaker 1: on the bottom, and also checking the ledges and holes
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  Speaker 1: and whatnot for spiny lobster, so a clawless lobster. And
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  Speaker 1: what's cool about the Bahamas is you can spear form.
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  Speaker 1: Now you are not allowed to use a spear gun here,
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  Speaker 1: so we're gonna be using slings, you know, nothing with
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  Speaker 1: a trigger mechanism. So we're gonna use the thing that
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  Speaker 1: people who aren't from a Hawaii call a Hawaiian sling,
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  Speaker 1: and people who are from Hawaii will generally call a
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  Speaker 1: three prong or a poll spear. We're using those. But
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  Speaker 1: like I said, you can actually shoot lobster with him.
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  Speaker 1: In a lot of places you can only hand grab lobsters,
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  Speaker 1: but you can shoot him here, which makes it easier.
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  Speaker 1: So we're keeping eyes off for all this stuff. And
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  Speaker 1: there's also a chance of like various plagic fish coming
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  Speaker 1: through and joined by some people you should be familiar with, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: Kimmy Werner, who I do a lot of stuff with
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  Speaker 1: and she's been on the show of Mediather, been in
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  Speaker 1: the podcast before. And Cameron kirk Connell. If that name
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  Speaker 1: rings the belts, because Cameron told a great story at
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  Speaker 1: the end of a recent podcast episode which was a
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  Speaker 1: teaser for our meters camp fire stories. Narrowness is more
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  Speaker 1: close calls he's the guy that saved his friend's life
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  Speaker 1: by shooting him. If you want to know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta go in and listen to that story. There
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  Speaker 1: it goes Steve Man. That water feels good, all right, Cam, Steve,
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  Speaker 1: Kimmy and parent are in the water. I think they
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  Speaker 1: see something. They're still at the surface. Cam just shout
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  Speaker 1: to Steve and said that there are two hugs. It
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  Speaker 1: looks like Jimmy got something sweet. What kind of fish
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  Speaker 1: is that fish? Can we got a hog fish? Oh? Man,
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  Speaker 1: look at that thing Karen's holding. Tell me so, this
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  Speaker 1: is my very very first hog fish. Apparently she's a
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  Speaker 1: female and actually missed my first shot, but me and
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  Speaker 1: both missed. And then I think I'm getting the hang
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  Speaker 1: of it a little more. Now. Look at how delicious
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  Speaker 1: and beautiful she looks. You want to describing it? Oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, it's like this quarrel corn colored, beautiful fish
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  Speaker 1: with like a spangled face, such an interesting nose, crazy
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  Speaker 1: shirt tea. And these streamers, these fins that are like
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  Speaker 1: absolute streamers, just like any other fish I've ever seen,
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  Speaker 1: so clear. Thank you. Steve's pulling the boat in when
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  Speaker 1: you come back with conk, have our vessel in it?
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  Speaker 1: Of eight count was very well developed. What do you
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  Speaker 1: call them? Fair? Beautiful? And they were in high current.
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  Speaker 1: That might be one way to explain. Remember how years
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  Speaker 1: were very covered in like a little dirty. These are
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  Speaker 1: like polished. Man, He's like, get ready for the gift shop.
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  Speaker 1: Ready for a key West gift shop shell shop. All right,
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  Speaker 1: So we're getting in the water we're at we have uh,
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  Speaker 1: we're being approached by warmer, dirty water, water from the
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  Speaker 1: flats and the dropping tide. We got a dropping tide
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  Speaker 1: all day. Unfortunately we're on a bit of a flat
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  Speaker 1: and were where it drops off. So we're sandwich between
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  Speaker 1: a like a tideline, an allege, an allege that drops
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  Speaker 1: from and it's going to force every fish in the
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  Speaker 1: Bahamas into this little pocket. And what are you hoping
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  Speaker 1: a spirit there, bunch of fish? Hog? No, a hog
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  Speaker 1: fill because yesterday yesterday, I well, yeah, I mean you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I do, I blew, I blew molten too good to
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  Speaker 1: give hand me down hand Me's what am I trying
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  Speaker 1: to say? Give me? I blew two gimmes yesterday layoffs.
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  Speaker 1: So the other thing about this tideline coming is on
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  Speaker 1: the flats is so much food, shrimp, crabs of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So as this comes, there's a lot of fish feeding
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  Speaker 1: on that drop. So we're gonna use the float lines
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  Speaker 1: here with the poll spears that way, with this a
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  Speaker 1: little bit deeper water. It goes from like thirty five
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  Speaker 1: to about sixty. We can shoot the plagics that are
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  Speaker 1: coming by. You should see big yellow jack's here and
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  Speaker 1: Max and also the bottom fish. Like you can shoot
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  Speaker 1: those bottom fish and keep pressure on them heading up
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  Speaker 1: to the surface, because if not, I mean it's it's
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  Speaker 1: a tough die for anybody, you think, like chasing a fish,
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  Speaker 1: and even a small hog fish wraps around one little
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  Speaker 1: thing and you're attached to the bottom. Okay, I'm sitting
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  Speaker 1: in the boat with Captain Brandon Um and they're all
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  Speaker 1: in the water filming, and he's telling you what people,
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  Speaker 1: this is happening, sir. Right now, Cameron's following a big
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  Speaker 1: block right now, I'm assuming just he's swimming faster than
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  Speaker 1: everybody else, splashing on the surface, which sometimes will cause
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  Speaker 1: him though shoot off into hole if they feel really threatened.
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  Speaker 1: But right now he's just swimming and most likely swimming
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  Speaker 1: back to where you get his hole is now. It
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  Speaker 1: might be in fifty water, it might be in water.
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  Speaker 1: He's don't really he's not really showing no signs of
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  Speaker 1: slowing down. But it like that. See what he's doing now,
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  Speaker 1: he's trying to see He's just he just dove down.
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  Speaker 1: He's going down to try and chase him into hold,
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  Speaker 1: because the closer you get to them, the more threatened
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  Speaker 1: they feel, especially after that already started to swim away
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  Speaker 1: from you. So they're really kind of teaming up. Everyone's
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  Speaker 1: almost got a roll, right, yes, So like stuff like that,
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  Speaker 1: you want to keep an eye on him. Like if
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  Speaker 1: one person goes down to try run him, he could
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  Speaker 1: go in a hole and shoot a totally different direction.
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  Speaker 1: So it's always going to have multiple eyes in the water.
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  Speaker 1: See like how he's coming back towards as now he's
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  Speaker 1: swimming them in a big circle. He probably doesn't want
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  Speaker 1: to go. Oh, he's like splashing about. He's causing a
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  Speaker 1: lot of ripple. And first he was going out towards
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  Speaker 1: the deeper water. Now he's coming back in. He's gonna
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  Speaker 1: probably keep going around in a circle until they get
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  Speaker 1: there and until he gets tired or he feels safe
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  Speaker 1: enough in a certain hole. But he's going to go in.
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  Speaker 1: But most of the time they will ah they're going
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  Speaker 1: the hole, or they'll swimming until you tie it and
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  Speaker 1: you just give up. That's all that's all they do.
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  Speaker 1: Cam swimming real fast, okay, yeah, real caton mouse. You
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  Speaker 1: gotta you gotta keep up with that that's the biggest thing.
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  Speaker 1: Because the big group was like that, they could outswume you.
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  Speaker 1: And we're talking how big. I don't know. I could
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  Speaker 1: be anywhere from what to what a man to be
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  Speaker 1: all what I would call a big what I call
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  Speaker 1: big as a sixty seventy bond, fifty six seventy bonds,
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  Speaker 1: that's a big one, and you get over seventy that's
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  Speaker 1: a month. We did sprint marathon. We did the fish
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  Speaker 1: equivalent of tracking a bish. That's a lot like shooting
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  Speaker 1: a tracking him and then he jumps up and he
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  Speaker 1: runs again and you gotta wait. But in this case
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  Speaker 1: we have to like sprint, swim for a couple of
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  Speaker 1: hundred yards between each time rest up, and every time
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  Speaker 1: he went deeper too. It was like fifty sixty back
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  Speaker 1: into fifty. And every time we went down and had
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  Speaker 1: a chance, like we had one little thing off for
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  Speaker 1: one of us spooked him or something, and he'd do
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  Speaker 1: it again. The more you follow him, the more you
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  Speaker 1: want someone to shoot him. He gets bigger and bigger.
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  Speaker 1: It's real personal. I'm thinking the goods was and for
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  Speaker 1: me it was so importing to have you guys sprinting
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  Speaker 1: because I come up from those deeper dives, barely wiped out,
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  Speaker 1: and just like have the assurance I can swim slow,
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  Speaker 1: breathe out, recover, I get ready while you guys are
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  Speaker 1: checking it. Steve and I were swimming as hard as
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  Speaker 1: could chasing it, and Kimmy would just like take your dime,
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  Speaker 1: come up rolling gaging multiple times, like every one of
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  Speaker 1: us was like fin deep in the holes. Like I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how many videos we have of it, but
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  Speaker 1: at one point you were getting somebody's fish out of
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  Speaker 1: a hole and I had you by the belt and
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  Speaker 1: pulled you out because you're so far in there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because I kept trying to back out on my own
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  Speaker 1: and go up and I wasn't out yet. And finally
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  Speaker 1: I just felt you talking about like like the hole
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  Speaker 1: as being like a little like a cave. Like Okay,
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  Speaker 1: basically a lot of the hunting we're doing today, we're
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  Speaker 1: going down. We're looking at these ledges that look like
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  Speaker 1: this little ledges. But the minute you get down there,
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  Speaker 1: you can actually something will lure you to creeping further
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  Speaker 1: and further in, and you can actually get pretty deep
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  Speaker 1: within those some emergence, you know, the holes the size
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  Speaker 1: of a tent some are like flat and deep. Sorry
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  Speaker 1: on a child. What are you holding, Steve, I'm holding
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  Speaker 1: two yellow yellow? What yellow? Finn, Drew Ber, what's your
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Over ten pounds? How long is that? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's longer than your arm, bigger than your arm? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: time pound fish can We caught a ginormous huge hog
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  Speaker 1: fish first, one fish. I feel absolutely elated like that
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  Speaker 1: about the fact that I missed him before you got him.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that I feel like that tarnish dumber made
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  Speaker 1: him cool because I actually I missed one first and
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  Speaker 1: then you missed, and so it made me feel better.
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  Speaker 1: But they didn't make the victory that much sweeter for sure.
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  Speaker 1: But man, it's such cool thing. They really are. This
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  Speaker 1: later looks like an alien. It's cool to have. Like
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  Speaker 1: when you look at all these fish up close, all
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  Speaker 1: the different details on him, like stuff that you don't
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  Speaker 1: think about when they're far away, but like all this
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  Speaker 1: like paint. It looks like he's got painted up on
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  Speaker 1: his forehead. It's like pink yellow, these little blue lines.
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  Speaker 1: A friend of mine recently pointed out an irony of
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  Speaker 1: sort of an irony of duck hunting, or he's like
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  Speaker 1: you don't really get to see what they really look like.
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  Speaker 1: And I really appreciate their beauty till you kill one,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and then you get then you get in
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  Speaker 1: your hands. You're like, holy shit, man, you know that's
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  Speaker 1: the only way to really really study them hands. And
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  Speaker 1: that's what that looks worth. They're like colors before they
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  Speaker 1: all fade away and change. I just can't even believe
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  Speaker 1: it's cooler we're looking at. Yeah, that's what one sixty
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  Speaker 1: and it's full to the top. Yeah, welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: fish market, all right, everybody. Uh so join the day
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: by me of course, mean asshole Kimmy Werner. Huh, but
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: that's not a good answer. Touching well listen, man, oh
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: my god, you yeah, he's real, super sensitive. My wife
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: wrote me a mean email. I did see the email. Really,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: she singing an email. It was brutal. She's down on me,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: but I appreciate it. But it's just basically because you
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: asked Jimmy for her opinion and my wife wrote me
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: an me, an email. You know what. I'm still mad
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: at my wife. But how she wouldn't change her name
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: to my name. But Jimmy was saying when she met
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: she met Katie just randomly, and Katie introduced herself as
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Katie Ronella. Uh. Probably because she knew that we knew
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: each other. You knew it would ring a bell. Yeah,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: that's cute. Uh. Brandon Aubrey first time on the show.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Ye go ahead and say, go and tell people where
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: you're from. So I'm I'm from the Obama's what the
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: islands called Abacote. It's got a small keys off of
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: it called green Turtle Key. That's why I'm OBRIGENNI from.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: That's where you're brought up. That's why I was brought up.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: A long line of commercial, long line of commercial fisherman. Yes,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: got it, my father, my ground thought and Karen and
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: then parent James, parent James, Yes, sir, here, I am
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: damn it. Uh So, when I was going through the names,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Cameron Kirkconnell might ring a bell to y'all because he's
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: kind of long story. I became acquainted with Cameron because
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Cameron was a part of our Campfire Stories audio book
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: number two and which was Narrow Misss and more close Calls,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: and in keeping with tradition, when we came out with
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: that audio series, we uh we teased y'all titilated y'all
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: by playing like one of our favorite joints off it.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: You get that reference as they call a song a
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: track on on contemporary albums. He called joint one of
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the joints off that One of the joints off that
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: album was Cameron kirk Connell talking about the time he
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: saved his body and you know, and many of you
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: have heard this story now time he saved his body
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: spear fishing by shooting him in the finn shooting him
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: in the flipper what we used to call him we
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: were kids. Uh. So we're gonna hear a little more
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: because that's like, there's a couple more I want to
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: get a couple more questions into him about the back
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: story and and this is also in keeping the tradition, Crint,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: because with number one, one of our favorite stories, they're
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: all great. One of the favorite stories was Sam Lowry's
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: story about the sociopathic Elk Poacher, and then he later
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: came on the show and gave us a little story.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: So we're in keeping with tradition here. So we're gonna
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: hear a little more from Cameron on that and a
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: little bit about his career, which is a which is
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: a very interesting um knee. She's carved off for himself
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: and this and this uh global life that he lives.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: But uh companies, we got hit off right off the bat.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: We're in the Bahamas, do we know? Go ahead, Cameron,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: explain where we are. We're in the Bahamas. There you go. Yeah,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: that's more exact than saying the Atlantic or Caribbean surrounded
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: by a lot of shallow water, which is in proximity
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: to some extremely deep water, which makes it a very
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: verdant environment around here, like a like a life rich environment. Yep.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: That that having that shallow water in the proximity to
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: deep water, but a large area of connecting shallow water
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: creates a a nursery, you know, an ecosystem that you
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: know can constantly you know, resupply itself. You know, we
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: had talked about it kind of on the way over here. Initially,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: you know, as a kid, I thought, I need to
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: go to the most remote islands that are out there
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: by themselves, because that's got to be the best spot.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: But it's such a finite area of like divable and
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: fish double bottom before it drops off to infinity. That's
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: a pretty small group of fish that's going to live there.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: So come to find out that a lot of these
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: areas that are just connected for a hundred miles by
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: five or ten or twenty ft of water, those are
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: by far the best because they just have that gigantic
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: area to grow more fish. And you just, you know,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: it's pretty wild to to see, you know, a spot
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: like this. You think, holy cow, there's so many people
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: coming here. But you're talking to hold up. Yeah, it
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: just holds up, you know, Yeah, because I just need
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: to keep in tradition and set the scene. You're all
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: about the scene. Set people need to know, you know
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: where we are. Can I get into our needs now?
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: This is a sensitive issue. Speaking to my wife, she
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: told me just to drop it, but I can't drop it. Yeah.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: We had a fish heist in our office. In our office,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: we had a fish heist. We came home with a
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: bunch of fish. One of the coolers of fish. It
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: was a styrofoam cooler we had like we brought some
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: soft sided coolers filled our soft sided coolers up in
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Louisiana had extra fish. A dude and dude next door
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: gave us one of them thick styrofoam coolers. Chester. I
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: know this for a fact. Chester loaded all that fish
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: into the star foam cooler, taped it up, got back
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: to the office and went into the freezer by my
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: office and placed that cooler in the freezer. Had kobia
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: had um a thing that I've seen what seems to
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: me would be of low interest. Which is which? Which
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: is my Barracouta flats and had a bunch of snapper flats. Later,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I go to get it with my neighbor, pottery Pat,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: and we go down and I'm like, I gotta stop
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: in here and grab my fish. A couple of weeks,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: A couple of weeks, A couple of weeks go by.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I go in there. It's like a Sunday. We go
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: down there. It's not in there. I go check the
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: other freezer, it's not in there. I go check the
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: freezer in the lunch room area. It's not in there.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: We put out all company, where's the fish? That's stupid.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I'm not on it, but slack I don't use it.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: So put out of all companies. I offered twenty reward
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: another company. My wife's enough already with a stupid fish.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: If it was missing electronics, right, if it was missing electronics.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: We wouldn't just wouldn't just sweep it under the rug.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: And it's like if someone took it by accident, someone
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: took it by accident accident, yeah, or like there's all
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: this free or if I like stuff around, wasn't thinking
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: and gave it to him, they'd be like, dude, you
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: gave me that fish. But it's not true. No one
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: will come forward. So Steve wants another part of the
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: story because then after you put out the all company emails,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: didn't the cooler we found the cooler with the dang
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: talon in one of our one of our equipment guys
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: who manages equipment um and many other things, says, oh,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I found that cooler with a towel in it. Empty
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: cooler with a towel in it in like the cardboard
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: box area. No one will come forward. So what we're
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: trying to find is we're trying to find a polygraph
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: examiner who can come into the studio. But in Montana,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: polygraphs are not admissible. We've done a little bit of
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: research actually, so it's not like we don't have a
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: shipload of polygraph examiners running around because polygraph evidence isn't
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: admissible in court in Montana, but they use it on
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: sex offenders. So we need someone that's got the damn
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: polygraph machine knows how to run it. They're gonna come
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: into the studio and we're gonna start with Chester and
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: work out from there and polygraph exam as part of
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: a podcast episode. I'll just say this as a disclaimer.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: It probably is illegal to force our colleagues to take
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: a polygraph test. So we're gonna ask them to step
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: forward and if they won't do it, and I'd be like, also,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: where's the fish. If someone's like, I'm not doing app
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: like they give me the fish bag, Because if you
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: won't do it, that's the best way. It's like coming
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: to do a polygraph. I'm not doing a polygraph. Then
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: you know they're guilty. It's like, what do they do
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: with the Baracuda plays? The other way I'm gonna catch them.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: The other way i'm gonna catch him is I'm gonna
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: start talking about man, I've never tried barracuda, and someone's
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: gonna be like, I'm like, how would you go? And
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: then I'll know they stole the fish? Said guys, Stay tuned.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Part two of the saga, Yeah, you and your machine
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: will just come to the office. CRD will fly you
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: out with your machine. I don't know, they look like
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: it really looks some people up. I'm looking set up.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I'm hooking Chester up, and I'm just gonna start hooking
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: random people up from the office. Kylie sent out that
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: she's my lead suspect because because she's the one that's
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: so hot to find the person. It's like us, like
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: ston't smelled her first, you know what I mean, she
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: is truly the last person ever. So, oh, here's the
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: other big need. And this is more complicated than Spencer's
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: being a pain in my ass right now about it.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: We bought that punt gun. We bought a punt gun
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: at auction for not a small amount of money. Uh,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: to the point where it's like a little bit controversial
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: in the office. Is the punt gun? Um, what we're
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: really having a hard time finding is we're having a
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: hard time finding shells for it. Someone that can make
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: the shells for it. So I think when we estimated
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: it out, it's a it's a Holland and Holland. It's
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: an H and H punt gun from the late eighteen hundreds,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: I think we estimated it. They don't go by gauges,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: but it's like a two gauge huge chee. We have
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: like one or two casings. We have one or two
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: casings for it. There's all this stuff too, like you
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: can't use, so we need someone that can load the
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: shells for us. We've been checking around with some shell makers,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: but people it seems that people don't really want to
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: go near it. The guy we bought it from said quote,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: I'm a little hesitant to just forward the info because
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: it basically amounts to pack a whole bunch of black
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: powder and lead shot and do a really big cartridge
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: based on info from a guy in another country that
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: you've never met, related to you through two other guys
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: you've never met. So he goes on, so please check
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: into all this all that, he says, But I know
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: you guys are professional, so you'll figure it out. To
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: ounces twenty DRAMs of course black powder, ten ounces a shot,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: two mini camera, Yeah, two ounces of course black powder.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: And there's something like you got to use like an
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: old timey black powder because the integrity the barrel and
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: it's ten ounces shot or one point five ounces of
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: fifteen DRAMs or or one point five ounces or fifteen
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: DRAMs of course black powder and eight ounces a shot
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: phil case with powder, measure out shot, fill space between
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: powder and shot, making sure no air gap overshot card
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: wad to keep shot in place, using scotch tape to
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: secure primer. It'll be either a thirty eight or thirty
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: two pistol blank or you can figure out a way
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: to rig a standard shotgun and primer in it. I
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: gotta find a way to get him made. Someone out
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: there has to have a whole pile of old punt
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: gun casing or know someone who does. And well, how
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: our safety glasses on? Please write us at meat Eater
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: at the meat eator dot com. I'm gonna put a
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: safety glasses and maybe like a cut and torch thing
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: on clear you know, you know I'm talking about. That
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: was one of the funniest things about the pandemic because
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: you know, everybody the face shields. It look like a
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: welder that they all said face shield on him. It's like,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: not many products say what you know? I mean, so
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: a few products say what the product is. It's like, oh, okay,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: all right. Those are the two primary needs I want
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: to follow up on one quick thing before we get
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: back into what we're talking about, is, at one point
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: we're discussing scrolled them injuries and I don't know where
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: how did you rEFInd this from? You didn't rEFInd this?
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: The guy emailed me like a couple of days ago.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: We hadn't heard from him since January of That's when
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: we talked about it on the pod and he yeah, um,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: he just he just emailed me back out of the blue. Okay,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: So so I'm gonna revisit what happened, so so damn long.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: It was one of the better scroll of him stories
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: that came in. He was riding horses down his family
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: lives in West Texas, UM, but they were down in
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: the Chiuahuan Desert of Old Mexico. He came across what
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: he now believes was a rattlesnake, and the horse freaked out. Um.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: He fell off the horse and thought he was okay,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: but then looked. I was surprised to see that one
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: of his testicles was actually out of it, out of
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: the scroll, hanging on by its cord. It's like you
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: want to talk about freeballing, okay, hanging out of his
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: jeans and out of the scroll. They had the wherewithal
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: to pack it. Ice still hooked to the court kind
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: of looked like that conk you're cleaning yesterday. Packed it
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: nice and headed for the border, got stopped by federalis.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: One of the kids had a air soft pistol spray
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: painted black so it looked like a real gun. The
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: FEDERALI see this, he says. There's lots of shouting and
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: waving the guns. Someone notices the scroll, the testicle starts
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: yelling vominals, fominals and waves of groups. He gets sixteen
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: stitches in his leg and twelve stitches. They talked. They
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: tucked the nut back in and twelve stitches to the
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: scroll to put it back in there. Doctor said ice
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: was the best thing that could have done. Now, he
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: writes back in, just got to thinking about it, thinking
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: about it, and he wanted to add some details. He
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: wanted us to know that the cord is called the
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: epididymus unsevered that the medical professional said it was a
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: good move that he packed in ice, especially because it's
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: so hot and dry down there. The main follow up
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: possess his uncle worked in a prison for years. His
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: uncle said that this is one of the most common
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: self inflicted wounds that inmates used to get themselves sent
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: to the hospital. It's called a d glove to testicle
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: and they do it with a sharpened pencil. For what
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: that's worth. Oh, one other thing we gott get into this.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: This is gonna be put bad after this. The fish
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: heightst is just getting started. But this is gonna be
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: put the bad. Uh. White tailed. So so as everybody
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: knows the proper way to say, like the scientifically accepted
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: way to say the white tailed deer, the dear we
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: all know and love America's dear. If you're ever writing
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: a letter to someone, you're supposed to say, you're supposed
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: to write white dash tailed deer, not white tails. I
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: was saying how heffle Finger is stupid for believing this,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: and I also, in that same conversation regular guest heffle
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Finger also who's set to come on pretty soon. I
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: also said that he's nipple deep and jaguar stuff. He
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: wrote in to say I'm also nipple deep and dear
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: stuff he's saying. Despite anding I've said, white tailed deer
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: isn't an old version, It isn't something from Pat's world.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: It is the official and correct name of that species.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: It is common to use the colloquial form white tail
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: or white tails. I use that cont this heffle finger.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: I use that constantly to mix it up and not
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: sounds so stiff and formal as one does using the
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: correct full name all the time. Then he goes on
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: to say it is uncommon among knowledgeable people to use
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: white tailed deer or white tails. Pat goes on, this
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: is a group email, calls me a thing that I
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: can't repeat. On error, he says, you ignorant, it's words
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: is not even in my vocabulary. I clearly said that
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: white tailed deer is wrong and white tailed deer is right.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Changing it now on one man's personal preference, long after
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: the proper name is established in science and literature, as
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: shown in the Deer books. I referenced earlier as a
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: kin to Fox News calling the Democratic Party it's official name,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: the Democrat Party. Okay, back to cleaning bluegills from Pat,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I'm done, Okay, go ahead, but then we're done. Pat
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: used a Saturday Night Live reference and called Steve an
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: ignorant slut. Okay, because man, when I came back from
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: New Zealand, I had a very bad word that got
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: into my vocabulary and speaking to my wife again, I
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: used it one time who had not go I was like,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know why you're being sua uh alright, So
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: first off, Cameron, I want a little more, like a
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: little more detail around the story you told about, uh
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: saving the your friend. First off, explain your professional occupation,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Like in the story you say like you were in
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: were out of can't may where you were somewhere in Florida.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: We're on the west coast Flordia, and you were doing
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: you were doing tarban guiding. So I worked at the time,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: I got a school and started working on ships. That's
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: what I went to college for. Him, to the Merchant
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Marine Academy. Yeah, you're you're qualified for anything that floats. Yeah,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: and if it's not floating, we decided I don't want
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: anything to do with it. But like you can pilot
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: any ship, yes, or drive any whatever the hell you
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: call it? What do you call it ships? Yeah? So
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I have an unlimited tonnage captain's license basically like trans
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: oceanic stuff we're involved in. So, as you've noticed this week,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: I have major fomo you know, for like whatever the
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: best thing is going on at the time. So I
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: would work for four months at a time and travel
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: around the world, um, you know, working on the ships.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: And during that time, I had unlimited resources for charts.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: So I would look at charts like all day long,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: and as the places I would go would be like,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: this looks like it would work because it you know,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: they're blah blah blah. So I would just plan the
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: places I was gonna be for my four months off
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: for surfing, fishing, spear fishing, and I just traveled around
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: the world, just immersed myself in each of these places.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: So like a place like the West coast of Florida, Um,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: I had a buddy that was a Tarpen guide there.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: He's like, you know, we knew the spear fishing was
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: great there. He's like, you know, on our days off,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: we can go, you know, spear fish. I was like,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: all right, I'll come mate for you make two hundred
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: bucks a day, you know cash and get to go
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: fish for Tarpen every day. So that's when you guys
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: were taking you guys were like taking chartering clients to
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: fish Tarpen correct and then on a day off. I
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: remember like trying to smooth that out, and we were
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: editing the the project is uh, you're like you very
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: quickly said, I was helping people, You were helping people
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: catch tarpen. Yeah. Yeah, So I was working as a mate,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: like on a charter boat there if I do like
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: two months at a time with him. But at that
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: same time, you were merchant marine and doing the ship work, right,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: So that was in you're done with that, now done
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: with that. So that was during my four months you
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: know vacations, because you usually you worked for four months
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: and then you had four months off. So I knew that,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: you know, Indonesia was good that time of year. So
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I'd go to Indonesia for two or three months and like,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: you know, just basically go as far as I could
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: and listen to story after story that was gonna link
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: me to the next spot to check out, you know,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: and see a picture of a fish in one place
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: and figure out where that was and go to the
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: next one, and just just kind of grew my you know,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: knowledge base, you know, by traveling, traveling and like really
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: being there, you know, not going for two or three days,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: but going for months and then coming back again for months.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: And that's how I like you know, really obviously got
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: good at what I do now, but um yeah, fell
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: in love with with being at the edge of the
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: earth all the time, and and hit real quick, I
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: know you're you got your like. You do a handful
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: of things, but talking about your like, that's sort of
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: like guiding into your business. So my core thing was
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: about Um, I guess ten or twelve years ago, somebody
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: asked me, hey, will you take me spear fishing? I
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: was like, sure, okay, um and they said, what are
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: you gonna charge? Was like, I don't know because there's
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: no real spear fishing guide at the time. Long story short.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Halfway through the first day, he's like, you're really good
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: at this. This is what you need to do for work.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: There's a niche for this. It's okay. And he's like, well,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: i'll read book you. I want you to find me.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Uh you know a boat in the Bahamas. Um, take
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: my son and his buddies and you know, do a
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: trip with them. I'm like, okay. By the time I
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: got home from that trip, he had told too of
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: his buddies and they called me and from there at man,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: it just blew up. And you know, I always you
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: can get the boat, operate the boat. Yeah, so we
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: take care all the paperwork. Mostly what I do is
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: I am hired to go and basically captain other people's boats,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: you know, around the world and mate and guide. So
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: my core knowledge base is where and when to go
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: and the way my mind has always worked. If I'm
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: gonna spend my own money to be on the edge
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: of the earth, I want to be at the best
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: place at the right time and the right moon tied
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: everything to have a chance to world record, and that's
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: been one of the hardest things for me. Two shift,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: too is expectations for people might not be there, you know,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: like you know, to go and just get enough fish
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: for dinner is what we're doing nine nine percent of
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: the days. You know. The record thing is such a
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: small part of it. But coming to terms with that
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: myself has been tough because my drive is so hard,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: like to go and get records, and personally, I think
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: I've had fifteen or eighteen records. I've had a bunch,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: but I've I've guided clients even if it's their first
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: week ever spear fishing, to a total of like I
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: think twenty or twenty five. It's been a bunch. So
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Kim and I were talking about this. What I take
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: the most pride in now and enjoy the most is
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: being able to convey that knowledge to other people to
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: get them enjoy you know, what we're doing and enjoy it.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: So now where that's taking my business is I have
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: myself and a couple other guys that work with me,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: and people hire us to take him all over the
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: world too, you know, hunt different fish. How do you
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: get their boats there? Usually I have connections for boats
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: in different countries. Um and a lot of guys have
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: have the means with these really big, badass boats that
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: we can take all over the world. So I've got
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: some groups that we've got stuff planned two years out,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Like we know that we're gonna go to this island
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: group in Tahiti this part of the year, and then
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: the boat's gonna shift Fiji. Then it's gonna go to
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Tonga and go here, here, and here. So we plan
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: like there are tenneries as well, like all over the
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: world and they fly in and out. Okay, So now
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: let's get on with the guy. The guy who pulled
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: the bottle of the bottom. He wasn't near the bottom
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: of deep thank God, he wouldn't hear the bottom. We're
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: like eight foot, so that that's what happens to him,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: if I mean his ear drum's gotta be cooked, right,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: oh man. So when he came up, like Steve's got
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: a kind of blue colored on with a it's a
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: meat eator shirt with some muskie or something eating another
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: fish eating another fish. That color blue on that color
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: blue on your shirt is what he was, like, his
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: whole face and everything. Like when Karin was c sick
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: the other day, she was pretty green, literally turned green.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: He was. He was even more passed. I didn't know
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: he he was blue like for all intensive purposes, I
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: thought he was dead. And then he had blood coming
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: out of everything. You think how hard it is to
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: go to the bottom of your pool without equalizing your
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: ears that pressure you feel in your ears, imagine going
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: like when I pulled the trigger on him, I I
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: think I was in seventy ft or eighty foot by
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: the time I got to the surface. By the time
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: they started pulling him up. God knows how deep he was, oh,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: because he would have kept sinking that he kept sinking,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: because you figure from the depth I was at, it
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: would have taken. He's talk about a guy that passed
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: out in the water and just started to sink, and
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: you have like the this is the I think you
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: get into this too. There's like a reflex I didn't know.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: I don't really know about this. You want to like,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: if you pass out under water, why don't you just
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: instantly drown? Right, there's like a like a reflex probably
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: the dates back to when you're in your mother's womb
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: that you don't breathe. It shuts off, like you just
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: don't breathe. Your body is doing everything and it's power
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: to survive for you doing some dumb ship move that
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: kept it from getting ops oxygen. Basically, it's so weird
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: to your body just says, right, take a big old
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: sucking a big old gold water, so you're your vocal
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: courts close and lock down your throat so you're not
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: taking any water in and basically you go. You're passed
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: out unless you have your snarkle in your mouth exactly.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: So that's one of the reasons we take o. If
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: you have your snarkle in your mouth, then you pass out.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: It'll actually funnel water straight down your throat and you've drown. Faster,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: you will actually drown instead of it instead of locking up,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: it'll just like a straw. Before I did, I had
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: to learn and later you're supposed to take that thing out.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: We're kids, man, we always kept the right in. There's
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: a good reason to take you think about it's like whoop.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: You know that that pressure to because you and any
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: there could be like an air pocket there which you
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: think you're gonna sip air, right, and so the your
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: body shuts down, you're you know totally, you know out basically,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: and you've got these sensors on your face. So when
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: you when you come up to the surface, that's what
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: your body is waiting for is to feel air because
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: you're the sensors on your face can feel that you're
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: in the water, and your body is just saying, hey,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: we need to go in total survival mode. We're gonna
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: slow down to heart, We're gonna stop breathing, We're gonna
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: we're gonna close or track you like we're I'm sorry,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: close our our vocal cords, like we're just gonna survive
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: as long as we can until we feel air again.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: So if you don't feel air, eventually, your body is
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: gonna be like, hey man, we're about to run out
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: of all fuel all together. We gotta do a last
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: ditch effort, and that's called terminal gap ASP and that
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: does eventually happen. Eventually happen. So when you pull someone
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: a drowning victim up, who like a who blacked out underwater?
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Now who drowned at the surface. So you gotta you
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: gotta really differentiate drowning and blackout. They're totally two. You're
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: at the surface golden water when you're drowning, correct, So
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: a blackout victim is way easier to deal with than
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: than a drown But that blackout victim will eventually inhale water. Correct.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: And you hear about like little Timmy that fell through
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: the ice and survived thirty minutes or whatever, age, temperature
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: of the water, like all the conditions everything determine how
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: long before the terminal gas exactly. So like Timmy falls
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: through the ice or whatever, it's basically putting him in
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: the refrigerator and slowing him down. Her name for the
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: episode the terminal gas. Yeah, that's that's about big What
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: about Big Conkin? Though, we need to get a bunch
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: of Timmy might survive thirty minutes, you know, and they
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: pull him out, and that's such a common store, Yeah,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Timmy from Minnesota, the ice, uh, but like in warm
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: water like that, realistically, you've got four or five six
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: minutes maybe, you know, and then you're gonna do that
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: terminal gap. And when you do that, then you're in
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: deep ship because then you've taken a huge mouthful water
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: and you're you're you're really in deep ship. So our
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: goal is obviously get your get ahold of them as
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: fast as you can, close their airway, get them safe
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: for the surface, lay them on the back, get their
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: mask off, blow tap and talk. So you blow across
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: their cheeks, you tap on their face and you tell
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: them breathe, breathe, breathe. And in the I mean ten
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: people that I've saved and parents been there, four of them. Um,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: almost every one of them has come back with that
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: first breath, that first breath across their face. They go
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: and take a breath because your body is just like
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: waiting for that air. As soon as they feel it,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: it's ready to roll again. And then they're normally like,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: get off me, I'm fine. Yeah. So they have you
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: have short term amnesia when you black out, or they're
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: crying hysterically, or they're laughing hysterically. You never know what
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: the first time I saved someone, he was like I
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: was also dancing. So this the he came up and
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: how was he? Like, we didn't really get into this,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: like what was his sort of litany of health problems
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: after the fact, So he went into he went in
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: intensive care unit for like three days because they were
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: worried about he had so much fluid in his lungs
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: because the aviola and your lungs or whatever, they just
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: burst and like you have all that's what all that
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: orange foam is that you had, Like he was spitting
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: out and all that. So he had so much fluid
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: in his lungs. They were worried about pneumonia, you know,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: secondary drowning, all that kind of stuff. So try to
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: they treat the ear problem. I don't even know when
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: he's bleeding out his ears. Yeah, ears, I mean I
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: want to say I remember him bleeding out of his eyes.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: I mean there was blood everywhere. Like if you if
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: you had a picture of him right when he came
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: up and be like that guy, there's no way, like
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: he's got to have so much stuff going on, but
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: and he got back in the water after that. Yeah,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: he actually had a samba about a year later when
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: we were together and I grabbed him when he was soombing,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: you know, that's when he's like close to blacking out.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: I was like, Steve, his name is Steve, Steve, don't
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: funk with me on this. It's like, don't do this
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: ever again. You know. And he's an avid diver. Yea,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: I told you he's my insurance guy. Yeah, right, what
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: are the chances of that? Yeah, I like something happened,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: you'll understand. Uh so you guys, you guys do a
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: little business together. Yeah, yeah, mostly he does business for me.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: I guess now, did he come out of that super cautious?
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: I think so. I think it was an eye opener.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: And honestly, like I've gotten so many messages over the
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: years from like the next morning after that happened, I
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: just wrote the story down, you know, no filter, just
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: exactly how it happened, and um, it was most it
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: was mostly like cathartic for me, just to kind of
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: get it off my chest because it was so traumatic
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: for me. But I can't tell you how many you know,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: dozens and dozens of people's over the years have said
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: that made me conscious enough to be watching my buddy
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: to save their life. You know. Thank you for sharing that,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: because it's such a I don't want to say it's taboo,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: but it's like a ma cheesy, mooth thing that like
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: people don't talk about in diving because they're usually embarrassed,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: you know, because like people aren't gonna think that I'm
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: that good of a diver or whatever, but like you
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: gotta be aware, like that's more dangerous than any shark,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: you know, is blacking out your own drive to not survive. Basically,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: it's so true. It really, It is something that when
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: it happens, everyone just kinda keeps quiet, you know, and um,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: you don't want to embarrass somebody. But when when that article,
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: because what you wrote got published in What You Skin
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Diver magazine, And when that came out and I read
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: it like it, I was grateful for it, Like it
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: definitely made me that much more careful to always like
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: watch the person, like even after they come up, because
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: sometimes you're so eager to die that you see them
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: take a breath and then you go down. But it's
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: like you got to actually wait you know, because sometimes
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: people can come up, breathe even talk and then pass
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: out what you were recognized by the coast Guard. Yeah,
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: so what was that? So the coast Guard met us
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: like as soon as we got him up, like I
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: was like the Tasmanian devilill run around the boat when
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: we got in. Um, you know, cut the anchor on
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: and get on the radio called coast card blah blah blah.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: So we start running in. We're like sixty miles off shore.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: The coast Guard met us about forty miles out, put
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: him in the basket in the helicopter and took him in. Um.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: So about six months later I got a call from
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: the Coastguard and you're like, hey, this is you know
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Officer so and so. Um, you know we're doing investigation
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: into you know, this thing that happened with Steve off
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: shore blah blah blah. And I'm like ship man and
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: told hi. Us was like, hey man, look I've been
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: through a lot with this, Like I didn't do anything wrong.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: They're like no, no, no, no, no, Like it's actually
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: a good thing. Um, the Coastguard wants to recognize you
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: for uh possibly getting an award. Was like Okay, so
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: it did this investigation. Doing a long story short, the
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Coastguard gives out two life saving awards, a silver and
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: a gold, and the um they awarded me the silver
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: life Saving Award, which is the basic premise behind it
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: is someone that basically completely forgets about their own safety
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: puts themselves in in total peril to save someone else. Um.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: And when they gave me the award, the Admiral Um,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: the head of the Coastguard, was there and I think
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: you know, all the senators, can or spends and all
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: the military people. It was a big deal. Um. He
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: told the story, and I mean, it's hard for me
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: to tell a story like having it on the audiobook
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: is the best thing ever for me because I never
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: have to tell it again. That's what you're saying. Now
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: you can just people like you can refer people to
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: the link because it's tough to tell. Um. But you know,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: everybody like started standing up in there and everything. It was.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: It was pretty cool. But he said, in my you know,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: forty years of being in the Coast Guard, I've only
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: given this award two other times and it was posthumously. Uh,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: like the people died saving somebody else. If So it
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: was the the award that I would least want to
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: have for the reason I would least want to have it,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: if that makes sense, you know, because it's something you
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: never want to do and you could never plan, you know.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: But in all the years of spear fishing with people
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: around the world and being in remote places, we had
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: always said, you know, if you can't get me, or
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: you're thinking you can't get me, shoot me, because at
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: least you'll be rigidly attached. Because if I'm already gonna die,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: shoot me in the leg, you know, don't shoot me
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: in the chest from whatever, you know, shoot me in
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: the leg. But that was that would have been My
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: original goal was to shoot him in the calf, but
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: he turned. I met a guy just recently who was
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: recovering a victim, and he was on tanks and he
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: dove down to the base of an oil rig found
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: the victim. I couldn't get him up, and decided to
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: drag him over and tie him to the foot of
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: the rig so that he wouldn't have to worry about
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: trying to find him again later, and then tying the
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: guy's body to the foot of the rig. He got
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: so messed up, he wound up ape, he lost track
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: of time, and he wound up one of those decompression
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: chambers because he had to bomb up to the surface. Yeah,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: it's the diving thing. Honestly. I I personally think free diving,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: with having been trained for it, is way safer than
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: the scuba because you can take any person off the
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: street street, give him a scuba tank it, you know, wherever,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: and then go down as deep as they want, because
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: all they gotta do is breathe, you know. Whereas free diving,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: your body is telling you, hey, you need to go up,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: you know, like you if if you have that self
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: preservation gene you know which everybody in this room has
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: just from spending time with you. You know, we all
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: want to come home. We know we're gonna be able
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: to get fish, but we all want to come home.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: There's people that just don't have that synapse in their brain.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: You know, They're they're gonna push it as hard as
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: they can every time. And parent I call it like
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: the the race car driver, you know, thing like if
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: they're on a motorcycle, they're gonna pin it every time.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: They're gonna go as fast as they can. If in
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: the class. They could do a d FT free dive
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: every dive. That's how deep they think they can go.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: And you think about even when we're diving in t
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: you know, for the lobsters, it's not every time you
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: can even you know, spend more than ten seconds down there.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you didn't get to good breath or whatever. Imagine
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: trying to do that super deep. Here's asking for trouble. Okay,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: back to the Bahamas. I want to I want to
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: get into a little bit about like the sort of
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: regulatory structure in the Bahamas. And the reason I bring
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: it up is the only place I've ever been where
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: size limits on fish is expressed in pounds. Have you
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: ever heard of that anywhere? I think in the Mediterranean
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: they do that. And the boat limit is in pounds
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: as well. The other thing to note is for a
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Bahamian registered boat with Bahamians on board, the regulations are
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: different than for us because we're a foreign flagged vessel.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Oh there's not at all. Yeah, for them, there's nothing,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: none at all, no lot, no size limit for lobsters.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: You still got your size limit, philpsters, your group and
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. But we can get as much as
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: we want got it, So give me hit me with
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: a couple of these like size things. It's weird because
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: like a lobster, for for a foreign vessel, a lobster tail,
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: it's not the lobster, it's how long his tail is.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: And that's expressed in regular old inches, so five and
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: a half inches, right, So it's five and a half inches,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: which for the area that we are, and for the
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: number that we're allowed to get, which is ten, you're
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: never even gonna come, you know, worry about that because
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: most of the ones we got were like five pounds.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: I mean they were big. Well I'll point out that
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: in my um very juvenile efforts in the Bahamas some
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: a few years ago, we couldn't find one of the
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: five half We're like, you know, right out like kind
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: of like out in front of where they lived, right
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: along Long Island. Couldn't you know, You'd think it looks
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: huge and you bring it up like in different areas
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: of the Bahamas have general different sizes. I don't know
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: what it is about here and a couple other spots
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: in the Bahamas, but the access to deep water or
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: the temperature or whatever, these big giant ones off the
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: wall and come up in shallow um, but other places
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: you go, you'll you'll just never find one in all
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: your time, you know, looking um, they're all going to
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: be those little ones that are just barely legal. So
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: you can take them by hand by a hook, which
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: I think we probably have some video Brandon hooking him.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: What is it called hook hooking? Hook and joke? Hook
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: and joke? So what's the word hook and joke? Like
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: a j j Okay, so tell them so like the
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: bottom when you kill him, that's the joking pot joking,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: hook and joke. Do you use the word joke for
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: other things or does it just mean like specific to lobsters,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: that means stab stop? Okay? So, uh, you can shoot
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: them with a pulse bear or sling, which the regulations
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: for underwater hunting here is just something triggerless. You can't
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: have a way of resting, you know, or how how
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: of this hit so basically loaded power that you don't
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: have to you know, touch or whatever you can like
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: let go and then shorthand you can't use a spear gun, correct,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: You have to use the thing where you like hand,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: your hand is holding it and it's triggered, not triggered,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: you release your hand and let it go. There's no
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: way to store the energy. Right, So for the rest
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: of the world, what they call a Hawaiian sling, the
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: rest of the world does is a hand spirit what
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: we call poll spear, in which Hawaiians call not a
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Hawaiian sling three prong or there is a Hawaiian sling,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: it's just a it's a little different. I think that
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: normally has like a free flying shaft, and so what
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: we use on this chip we just call it pull spears.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: But then it has a three prong on it, then
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: we just don't even call it a pul spear, just
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: call it a three prong, right, And the local go
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: to is a true Hawaiian sling, which is basically a
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: piece of cylinder would with a hole through the middle
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: of it and a piece of and tied to it,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: and they'll put like a notch in the back of
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: a spear gun looking spear with no um you know,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: rests on it or whatever, and they shoot it like
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: a bow arrow and it just goes free. So for
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: most that's used here, that's the traditional way to do it.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: That's why I like in those holes where we found
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: the grouper, there's multiple shafts in there because you shoot
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: a fish and they haul butt with it. We would
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: never have gotten a yellow jack like if we'd been
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: using those because they just take off with it. Oh,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: so that's what the shafts were. That's all makeing sense now.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: And then uh, a little more on regulatory who like
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: who is the governing regulatory body in the Bahamas for fisheries,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: the defense false defense force? That sounds real hardcore and yeah,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: and how would like how often is it that? And
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say this as a way to
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: promote any kind of like derelict behavior, but how often
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: do they patrol? Yeah? Well the main places a Nassa,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: that's where the base is, but they also send boats
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: to different islands the station now for a short period
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: of time, and their patrol these areas. But an avocode
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: I barely see him. Okay. Another regulatory thing, like we're
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: talking about the weight things, so certain grouper need to
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: be three pounds. It's not an inch thing. So I
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: think that's the reason that's so tricky is like take
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: take something that you know what it weighs. Like let's
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: say you have like a certified three pound weight and
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: then go grab a whole bunch of scales, right and wait,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: a bunch of times you're gonna get two pounds fifty
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: ances you're gonna get three pounds two. It's like with
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: by measuring of fish, it's like it takes out some
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: level of debate. It's like that fish is blank long.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: It just seems like I'm into it. It just seems
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: like a strange thing to enforce. Yeah, it's a shot
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: in the dark. And it's weird because that's the only
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: isn't that the only fish there's actually but they're actually
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: and um talking about slot sizes nobly it would probably
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: be a good thing. The other thing is like, so
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: that's Brandon making that. But the other problem is you
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: gotta have somebody to enveloce agreed, agreed, and from a foreigner,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: you know, coming here and seeing all the dere look
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: people that do bad stuff here, you know, Um, sadly
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: it's it's mostly people visiting, you know that don't follow
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: the regulations. And you know it's unfortunate because there's such
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: an unbelievable resource here and um, you know, you want
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: to protect this, you want this to be able to
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: you know, keep going for our kids to be able
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: to do it, obviously, but the the the different regulations
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: they have are wild. So they've got it's ten lobsters
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: per boat. For foreign vessel, it's eight conk with a
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: developed lip lip which we've got in the bucket here
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: and we'll clean those in a it. Oh yeah. People
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: get frustrated when we're doing stuff on the show, like
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: we had a guy making Clovis points and people are
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: really annoy because they couldn't see it. This can be
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: one of those things that really annoys people. Well, video
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: it to listen to someone clean account it's no. Yeah,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: it's a noisy process though, right, kept off film it
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: and we'll put on Instagram. There we go. So even
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: for logic's different as well. So it's eighteen is read
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: Gosh that what I sent you? You read it? So
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: I think during COVID they've updated some regulations because they
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: had some time. Um. But it used to be you're
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: allowed eighteen polagic fish. It can be a combination of dolphin, wahoo, tuna, um.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: And I think that's their main ones are worried about.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: There's no billfish landing in the Bahamas unless it's for
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: a tournament. So for a tournament, they'll say, hey, if
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: you get a fish over five pounds or whatever the
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: size limit is for that specific tournament, they can kill it,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: which is a very strange. That's real weird, real weird.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: So you asked about swordfish here, Well, that's kind of
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: like a money talk sort of thing that right, Like
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: you're bringing like a massive amount of economic activity down.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: But the thing is not many get killed during tournaments. Surprisingly,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: which is now fifty and twenty years ago. That's a
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: different story. It's a lot more bigger maleins in. Sharks
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: are totally off limits in the Bahamas? Is that true now? Yes,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: so it's totally closed. They're not allowed to kill him.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: You can catch them, you just gotta release it. And
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: what about turtles, you're not allowed to kill them? No,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately in your lifetime where turtles ever open, they had
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: a season just like um they used to open and
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: closed the same time as crossing season. Oh, how long ago,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: like when you're six years ago, seven years ago? Doing
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: at the most? Yeah, for a commercial market, personal personal
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: and what ones were you after? Green turtles? And how
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: would that go down? It's kind of violent, but I
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: mean we used to use fifteen foot pole and I
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: had a pair of grains on the entire to rope
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: and a gallon bottle and just strike them with it
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: and they'll take it and run with it and just
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: pull them back up. Strike them with what pair of grains?
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: What it is? It's uh you well, like two barbs,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Like they're probably about that why they go in and
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: they can't come out and you drive it with what
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: a pole? Yeah? Just straight through the shell? Well, typically
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: we like to do it down towards the back end,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: that little striple just shell, so you don't damage the insides,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: the guts and all that. But me's started when I
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: first started doing it, I got cursed out many times
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: from my phone. He's sending up shoving it straight through
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: the top end bottom, No, because you mess up all insides.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: And he used to eat the bottom pot as well,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: like calop that's traditionally in the camant. Can't stand that.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: I don't like what is that is that? It's like
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: a it's like a gelatine. What's the yield on a turtle?
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: So a lot of people actually just when they kill turtles,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: they just take the two front flippers, that's the biggest.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: But when you get turtles. The best size they eat
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: is anywhere from fifty pounds. Anything above that is it
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: starts to get a little tougher, Like I've gotten some
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty hundred and sixty pounds, and you will
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: taste the difference the taste of the turtle and the
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: texture of the main meat is in the front flippers.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: That's where the most is. That's where the most that's
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: the biggest muscle mass. I noticed that checking them out
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: when they're just when they decided kicking in high gear.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: The back feet don't do ship. Yeah, they're talking go man,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: I had no idea they could go that fast. Oh.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: Then things sometimes like when we chase them, if they
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: don't just stay there on the bottom, we'll have to
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: get on playing and chase them around until they come
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: on fire. Then you stick them. Man, that's gotta be
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: like a good time. That is a very good I
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: enjoyed it. They have a lot of guts. Huh. I
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: heard that cleaning them can be pretty stinky. No, I
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: mean to me, I'm kind of used it. But yes,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: another interesting thing with them, like you know we're used
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: to like fish blood where you when you shoot a
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: fish in a hole. You see the blood coming out
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: just kind of disperses or whatever looks green even on
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: the surface of blood kind of comes out. Man, when
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: you clean the turtle, it's like leshmon blood, it's got
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: so much oxygen in it. Like I hit one with
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: the boat accidentally many years ago, and I looked behind me.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: I was like, what the hell did I hit like
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: a red tarp and went back and it was a turtle,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: and I mean it had an area the size of
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: this room full of blood. And I was like, jeeze,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: I was in the US, Like I felt so horrible,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: but like, you know, what are you gonna do? Like
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: they come up and the such a big animal. Man. There.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: One of the most surprising things I have been countered
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: eating turtles is I was in South America and they were, uh,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: preparing turtle eggs. And you know, when you take a
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: regular chicken egg right and cook it, the yolk solidifies obviously,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: it's like the white part or sorry, not the yolk.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: The white solidifies like the yolk does its thing, and
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: the white does its thing. When you cook turtle eggs,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: the yoke, like the orange part turns into what you'd
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: imagine it would like a very intense it's like a
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: it's like a chicken egg times ten intense flavored yolk nous,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: but the white doesn't solidify, so you'd bit out of there.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: It was a hard thing to get into. The most
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: sought out, like a lot of people have died side,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: so the most sought after, like when I was a kid,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: you know, for getting soft shell turtles, and then you know,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: our family down at the Cayman Islands for the turtles
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: was the undeveloped eggs still inside of turtle, like when
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: you ever those ones that are still yellow and they're
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: all they're like a pink membrane around him. And those
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: were the best ones because then you just cook that
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: whole thing whole, really cooking in a pan, like next
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: time you catch like a soft sheller. But I can't remember,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: to be honest, like we only did it when I
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: was a little kid. No, I can't do all that
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: speaking almost dying, Krian, I didn't, uh, I didn't know that.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: You're so susceptible, dude to the seasickness. You're like Janice, Really,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: he's that bad? Is so bad? We were one time.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: Not we're on like a twenty two ft boat was
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: so seasick. He didn't realize we were fighting a swordfish,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: and there's no like cabin like a boat was steering
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: wheel in the middle. Came under the realization that we
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: were fighting a swordfish seasick. So maybe I could have
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: been a little bit better prepared. It's been a long
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: time since I got in seasick. But growing up, I
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: was one of those kids on the big yellow school
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: bus who always was carrying like a brown paper bag
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: in case I bombed. So, Um, you were green. You
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: were actually green yesterday. God, I never picture of me.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: I would have wanted to see that, but yeah, no,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: just day one minus drama. Men. I didn't take anything
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: for it. I thought it would be great, and I
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: was fine for for a number of hours. Um, and
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: you guys were all in the water and I was
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: hanging I was brandon on the boat, and at some
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: point it just hit me. I think I was maybe
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: mid sentence with you, and I just was like, excuse me,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: gotta go, and nothing, nothing came out. But I went
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: to yeah, a little bit of a dry heave, and
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: a went went to the to the pit of the
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: boat and just kind of like rolled into a little
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: ball uh and was like that for a while, and
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: then I thankfully was able to I got some drama
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: mean in me I slept, but then I was still sick.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: I probably took the drama mean too late. It was terrible.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's insane. For anyone who's ever been
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: seasick before, it's almost like there's nothing worse. You just
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: totally You're disoriented, everything hurts, you're don't it's just bad.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: I was surprised. I'll ask Brandon about this too, because
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: whenever I'm was someone who's getting sea sick, we tell
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: not to go down out of sight, but to stay
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: up and walk, like concentrate on something that's not moving,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: like try to look off at the horizon. Didn't work
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: for me, But you suggested that she go down because
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: because of the because there was air conditions to keep you.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: There was a c it was in the center of
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: the boat down below, and I was moving less. That
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: somewhat therapeutic. So it was somewhat therapeutic. And I also
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: hadn't like slept that much the past couple of days,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: but that I was the fact that I was able
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: to get like just a tiny bit more comfortable and
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: then you got some drugs in me, and then I
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: was able to pass out. And then I woke up
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: hours later and I'm like I have to record them
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: coming up with this fish. And he's like that that
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: already happened like four times over. He missed half the day, sweetheart,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: and then you got deserted. You got so then I
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: thought I felt better. When you guys came back on
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: the boat, I was a little bit better. And then
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: it happened all over again. I guess that's when I
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: turned green again. And uh, and they all they brought
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: me to a deserted island and left me there like castaway,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: a beautiful island. It was beautiful. She had a little
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: volley what was that little volleyball on castle that they got?
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: Pack of dogs ever come there? That I was. No
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: pack of dogs didn't come. They just they left me
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: to the dogs, guys. But no, as soon as I
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: was ashore, I mean, that was the whole point, right,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: Like Steve, you were like, you're gonna feel better in
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: just like five minutes, and it's probably three minutes and
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: I felt totally normal again. You guys took off and
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: I'm like, screw this. I'm not the type of person
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: who just like lies down in the sand and sun basee.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna go hunt. So then I
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: went and got conk for the first time. So that
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: was my first getting conk out of the water. And
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: you were fine, like you found the proper, proper I mean,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: the next couple of days you found the proper little
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: cocktailer meds yeah, totally yeah, non drowsy drama means, my friend,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: it was great. Yet the rest of the trip, I
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: had absolutely no problem with zero zero issue, zero issue,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: day two, day three, etcetera. You're gonna have a lot
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: of people writing you, um folk remedies. My neighbor in Alaska,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: Ron Layton, here's what he told me. I mean, he
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: was like a professional longliner, right, like he's like a
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: man of the sea. And he said, there's one way
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: to cure seasickness. He told me that they made him
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: do it when he was a kid. Every time you
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: start getting seasick, you drink. They make you drink a
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: big mug of salt water and so you puke. And
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: he said that's how you cure it. I mean, but
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: he half the stuff that guy tells me, it's like
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: everything he tells me, where he tells me, I'm like,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: there's no way that's true. Now ever, sent the things
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: he tells me, my initial thing is that can't be true.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: Fifty of the time it is, so now you can't
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: ignore I can't ignore anything he tells me because I'm like,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: there's a like half half the time he tells me something,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: I'm like, it is true. I mean, I can see
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: that as kind of like a miserable lead up to
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: a lot of relief because if you throw up, you'll
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: feel better. But I don't. I mean, with that really
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: like carrier, then I feel like you'd be on round two.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: That cures. That's what he had to do. And that's
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: if you're if that's if you want to get serious
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: about solving your six problem, you had drink big things
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: of salt. It seems so miserable, dude, when you're like
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: to be like, I don't know, do drink a picture
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: of salt water that'll feel great. I'm somehow not convinced,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: But okay, um, what is the story with what's the
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: story with a lot? Like? What? What? What? What y'all
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: call a lobster condo lobster trap in the States, they
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: call it a condo, which is they're illegal. Now they've
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: they've outlawed being able to put out artificial structures for lobsters.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: There was a big hubbub about it. She was probably
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: fifteen years ago now in Florida, UM, and they just
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: did away with it completely. Um. But in the Bahamas,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: the commercial lobster guys, you want to talk about dedicated
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: people to working year round, to making their living. It's
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: pretty unbelievable. But I'll let Brandon tell kind of how
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: it's done. So for like lobster, and it's a lot
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: of money involved in it just to make it. So
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: you'll buy it's basically roof and tent, but it's treated
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: with I think it's um galvanized tent a lost long ago.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: So what you'll do You get a stock a tent
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: that comes with a hundred sheets in it. Then you'll
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: get some two by sexes cement blocks. Then you need
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: uh the Cuban rope, the block we call it trap rope.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: So you're your blocks dof yes, you're tied it blocks
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: to the tin. Nail it off then off. That's for
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: the setting. Them describe the structure like how you make
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: a structure like where where the positioning or the wood
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Okay, so the would would be
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: length wigs of the tent, so to be I think
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: that's six by three would be the measurement of the
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: drop when you finished. So you're making you're making an
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: artificial ledge for lobsters, basically a hole that's the perfect
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: height six inches off the bottom and six ft deep
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: three ft wide, and you put it out where there
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: there's no other real structure. Um it can be in
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: proximity rocks or whatever, but the majority and they put
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: up in the grass, so it's not even near where
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: people are normally gonna go. Look, but the lobsters are
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: out there feeding in the grass, so like you know,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: feeding and they're like, oh yeah, there's a great place
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: to live, and they stay there. And each lobster boat
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: will have thousands of these. They'll set thousands of the
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: big thousands, big commercial boats they set thousands, tens of
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: thousands waiting matt let Let's imagine like this, some people
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: can understand. Imagine that you took a sheet apply wood,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: and I'm just make it understandable as possible. He took
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: a sheet apply would and bolted or nailed a couple
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: four by fours to it, and set the four by
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: fours on the bottom of the sea so that the
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: sheet apply would is sitting how many inches off the
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: bottom six inches? And then all manners ship can crawl
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: under that sheet apply wood and fit between the bottom
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: and the sheet apply would and they just so what
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: the crawfish does as well. If you ever noticed the traps,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: then they more than six inches deep, So what the
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: craw fish should do when they go in, they'll dig
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: it out. And if you ever noticed in front of
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: the traps you see them shells, they eat them. They
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: dig it out the bottom and eat it, and they
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: come and go as they So what are called spiny
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: lobsters you guys called croes. Yeah, it's a claw that's
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: just folks on. It's a clawless lobster, which has an
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: enormous range. I mean they're everywhere. But like Americans, when
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: Americans visualized lobster, always thinking of the main lobster, the
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: claude lobster. Uh. And when you set one of those out,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: when you when you were doing this professionally, you set
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: one of those out, like what kind of volume of
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: lobsters would turn up under one of those. So the
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: most way've ever I would say I've gotten from one
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: that's about sixty pounds of tails, So that's probably under
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: one of those. I've seen it sometimes when crawfish move
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: off at a heavy cold front com I've seen crawlfish
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: as so many they can't fit under it. They just
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: stocked all on the outside. When you get there, you
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: can see the big dog spot on the bottom. It's
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: so much around it and on top it's like opening
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: like a condo cabinet in New York City shining a
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: flashlight and the cockroaches scatter out. So when you notice
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: one time when you were going down to check one,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: you went down and kind of knocked on it. What
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: were you doing? So what happens like that's just me
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: personally doing it. But if you knock on it to
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: come today edges and stick to antenna's out interesting taking
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: and just knock it buying it and you can see
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: him they come out, stick to antenna's out a little
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: bit and you kind of get an assessment what's going
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: on in there? Yeah, I thought you were gonna say
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: it's because of the more it is, Because the more
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: it will come back. I don't even check for all
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: that stuff. So then you went down and you got
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: your You got a hook basically got three and a
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: half foot Dowell. So what it is, it's actually uh
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: Hawaiian sling shaft. I cut it in half. That's six
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: ft shaft, so it's three ft long. You take a
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: paint bush brush roller the handle off of that, use
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: that uh brass fitting for it's the al adopter for
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: you dry gas tanks. You put that on the end
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: of the spill and you're shopping at top point. Then
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: how it's got the thread, You could screw it into
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: the handle of the print brush roller, drop through it,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: put a little pin in it. Then you fill the
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: handle up with fiberglass resent to give it more wait wait,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: and also the whole it long ago that the top
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: piece is just I think it's a ten old fishing hook,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: and just shave the little bed off so they can't
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: get stuck on it. The barb the barb, and you
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: screw it on, put a little screw through it, tighten
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: it down. Then over it you slide a big crimp,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: take it to hydraulic press and they press it and
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: that's your hook made up compared to what they sell
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: four hundred dollars. And then you go down and it
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: surprised me. I don't know if you just reach none
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: of their hook in the mouth, but you go out
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: down and just flip the whole damn thing over while
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: they go all over the That wasn't intentional. Oh you
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: weren't trying to do I don't. I don't flip it
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: over for that same reason. They just I like the
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: lift up. I thought maybe you were showing me what
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: was going on, or I could tell what you're doing.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: So that's not normally. Normally when when we do it,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: we have a shot piece of PVC pipe, Okay, we've
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: propped one side up on it when you're doing like
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: industrial grade. So what I'm doing when I was doing
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: a commercial and just rake out all you could hook
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: from it down, but I like to rake out a
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: certain amount. Look through it. See what's big enough, what's
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: not big enough? Hook whatever, say is big enough? Let
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: the raskill go back, rak out some of the next
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: side opposite side what you just did, because all the
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: dust and mud and everything, so you can see on
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: the side. Just go from side to side, and you
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: always do when you're doing this commercially, you're doing it
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: tankless right with a compressor, or you do do okay,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: so you're down there just working away commercially. If you
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: want to do it on a commercial scale, free divan
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: is in the way to go. I see that's too much.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: And watch up and down because you yeah, and you
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: hook it, and you take the hook and you're basically
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: hooking it under his right where his tail meets his head. Oh, which,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: what do you call it? Carapist? So it's interesting to note,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: like it's even hard to get a video this most
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: of the time. But when they're hooking him, they're hooking
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: them there and you hook and then your other hand
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: is here, Oh my other hands like just sitting to
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: the side, and I bring it to me, hold it
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: like this, same time I grab it, I push up.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say is like when you hook him,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: you're hooking them and they're normal, they're like feet around
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: the bottom, but you hook him and their tail flips,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: they flip upside down and he's catching their tail now
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: facing towards him, and then in one motion he's joking it,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: killing it right in the center of the carapace. Underknee,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: tossing that the side and doing it again. And it's
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: kind of like if you're holding a fry pan and
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: you're flipping it. I'm just trying to give the audience
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: a visual like you're just kind of like flipping it
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: towards you pretty much. And it's the efficiency with which
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: they do it is unbelievable. Like on a I don't
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: know how to gauge like how many can be done
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: in a certain period of time, but saying a in
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: a in a free dive, in a one minute free dive,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: a free dive like where he was the other day.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: If it was just me, I probably could oak six
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: or seven at a time, and you just kind of
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: scared them around on the bottom. I just throw him
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: out from under the trap. If you kill them, yeah,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: I don't lost like when you were stopping to pick
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: them up. I don't like other people picking oak a
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: little track. Then I'll sit up around. I didn't know
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: what you were doing because I thought you lost him. No,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: I kept I always keep accounting. So then I went
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: and put him in your little pile because I didn't
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: realize you were putting them there on purpose. I thought
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: you dropped it something. I'm just trying to figure it out.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: And you do not like what you do that you
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: can't hear what you're saying. You're underwater something like pieces
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: together and you guys would sometimes do five hundred pounds
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: in a day of tails. Tales, just tales. It's working
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: your ass off. The most I've ever done with my
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: father was almost eight hundred and one day. That's a
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: big like, that's a big day financially, right, that's a
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: huge day. Depending on the price too. Sometimes little average
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: normally to start like seven eight dollars aupong, but last
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: year was I think it was last year. Last year
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: was the highest it's been for a very long time.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: It started at fourteen and to the end of the season,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: I think it ended off like twenty two or how
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: Now this year it started off as ten dollars. Have
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: you done commercial conk isshing? No too much work involved
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: For the price of cong what is it? What? What
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: would be the price of cock? I think it's like
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: to the wholesale place, what we're setting the two would
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: be like three dollars a pound, god dollars clean clean, cleaned,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: no no shell, nothing, no skin on it, everything cleaned,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: it's too much work for the price. You guys will
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: find out why soon because we're going to clean the
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: conck on areas. It's not gonna get that from your
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: normal podcast. But the way this season is going so
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: far and Abago, my father said he's just gonna set
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: fish pots. He can make more money really just because
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: the markets. It's no girlfish. Oh there's none really. The
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: first day he had he got a hundred and eleven
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: pounds compared to average of four to five hundred pounds
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: the first day. So what do you think makes a
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: difference from year to you as to whether there's a
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: good season or not out of season fishing? Really you
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: think so? You don't think it's environmental conditions or hurricanes
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: or current or any of that. Interesting. Oh yeah, all yeah,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: all summer long. My father said that there's small boats
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: down neckar official and what the first day is to be. Now,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna stock at a point of patrol, and
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna throw any nations under the bus. But
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of other nations that are historically blamed
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: here for invading Bohemian waters. And there is a which
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: is true hatred, I mean a solid hatred for good
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: reason for them coming and stealing the resource because they
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: kill everything. They kill everything. They go out there and
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: dive on compressors in two of water because there's just
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: not the enforcement for it. And it's interesting because the
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: from from my understanding of the Behaming Devins Force and whatever,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: they do have a fair number of boats. The problem
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: is they don't have the funding for like fuel, so
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: like we're always asking like, what where the hell are
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: you guys at the dock, Like we don't have any
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: money for fuel to go out and actually patrol, because
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: you think in one day they could go and confiscate
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: all the boats they would ever need for patrolling, you know,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: because there's all these big old boats coming over from
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: all over that don't have I have not checked into
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: the US or whatever, because you gotta check in and
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: do customs in immigration, pay your your um you know,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: entry fees, and get your licenses before you can go
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: and do anything. You're not allowed to take anything until
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: you've landed in the Bahamas and done that. And people
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: do day trips that come over here and they hammer
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: the place and they run back so famous pla man.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: It's it's really unfortunate coming from Miami. Yeah, there's just
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: not enforcement. They just don't have the money for fuel.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: It's not allocated for it, unfortunately. And hopefully that changes
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: here in the next ten years as they you know,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: just make it better. Let's talk about whole hunting for
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: a minute. We've covered various aspects of of of spear fishing,
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: but we haven't talked about whole hunting for big grouper.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: It would be I could see how someone would look
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: and think that it was like naughty because someone made
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: the comment about shooting fish in a barrel. Explain the
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: basic like why are the rules different underwater in what way? Explain?
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: How explain how you go a whole hunting for grouper um,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: So a grouper and most of these reef fish that
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: we're hunting there on the reef, so somewhere is going
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: to be there at home, and they live in holes.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: They live in hole, so you're eventually gonna go in
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: a hole. So like as kids and growing up, and
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: I mean honestly, until about fifteen years ago, I'd never
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: really used a light except for lobsters. And you know,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: you know, you said that to be handful of times
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: about lights. You're like, if we'd have had these lights
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: and we were kids, dude, have been a whole different programs. Huge.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: So like you know, we you know, would follow a
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: group when we were kids, and you go in a
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: hole and you look in there and just black. You're like,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: all right, let's go find something else. Yeah, let me
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: let me spend a couple seconds on these holes. It
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: might be that that um like when we're saying a hole,
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: it's I want you to people to understand like how
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: like what exactly we're talking about. It might be that
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: you have a hole. I mean, there's all kinds of configurations,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: but it wouldn't be unusual to find a hole that
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: would be big enough for you to get your head
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: and shoulders into the mouth. I mean, it's like a
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: hole in the rocks. They're a little cave opening. You
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: could get your head and shoulders into it or not.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: Or it might be that you can just look under
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: it and you couldn't get any party you in there,
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: but you shine a light in there, you realize you're
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: looking into the space that could be the size of
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: a five gallon bucket. It could be the size of
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: a household refrigerator in these cavities, and then and then
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: off of that is all these other little pockets and
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: ledges and holes like a coffee can, and that like
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: a hole the diameter of a coffee can that goes
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: back in three ft and you wonder how the hell
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: that form? Right, But like like holes of all makes
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: and sizes Swiss cheese. A good way to think of it,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: A good way to describe it so people can visualize
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: it is think of your house. Then think of five
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: of your friends houses. All of them are shaped differently.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: You think about being able to come through the front door,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: walk into the first room, then go into a hallway,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: then it opens up into another's, then there's a bathroom,
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: and there's all these different spaces and they turn and
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: all that, and they got upstairs and downstairs, and that's
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: how it is. So you shrunk a house down to
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: the size of a car, that would be like a
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: grouper hole. And every single one is different. So there
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: was one towards the end of the day yesterday were
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: instead of like kind of prefering prepping you on it,
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: I was like, just go go look at it and
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: tell me what you think the approach is for let's
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: focus it on that fish for minute, because this fish
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: had a this has had uncertain fate. Who you found
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: the fish? Yeah, so you found it out and about
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: doing his business. And I chased him man as fast
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: as I could swim for probably two fifty yards. Yeah.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: When you take off after one, you're gone. Yeah. I
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: can't Like a lot of times I can't find I
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: like kick to try to look around, and I'll oh,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: ship there he is way over there. Yeah, you like
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: stay on top of him. Yeah, So I haul asked
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: after him because I know he's going to a hole
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: and that one had the choice of heading to the
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: right and going out off the drop off and going
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: into a hundred foot of water and it's but instead
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: he turned and went shallow, so he actually went in
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: to about thirty water. So I followed him. He went
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: a hole, and looking at the hole, I could tell
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: by the way it was swept out, you know, with
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: sand and stuff, that was his spot. So I waited
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: for you guys to come, and I knew it was
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: like a twenty pound yellophin grouper. And I went down
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: and put the light on him and put a camera
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: in there to record actually in the hole while he
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: was in there, and you can tell when you look
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: in there on a hole like that, he's not leaving,
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: like that's where he knows, the absolute safest place within
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: whatever proximity, Like that's the spot. So the challenge with
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: that hole is he had swept it out so that
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: the entrance, which was like if you make if you
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: make a circle with your arms right now towards your
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: chest and kind of bring it in a little bit
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: of it's kind of oblong shape, and you had to
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: go down a little bit and then up into it,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Because he swept out the sand,
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: you can't get a spear in there. If you put
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: a spear in the whole, you're it's blow him, Yeah,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: because of the lip of the ledge is basically pushing
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: your spear down, and you couldn't excavate anything to make
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: room for the butt end of the spear because it
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: was all just rock coral, hard coral. So you tried
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: and you never even could get the angle, and so
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: you're like, hey, whoever wants to try it. Parent was
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: giving me all kind of advice behind to do it.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: I said, then you go do it, And I tried,
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: and he got in there with his with his spear
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: and got it all lined up. That notice that he
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: had to get his body back out and take a
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: blind shot, trying to configure the spirit at the angle
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: of what you think it needs to be, because you
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: can actually be up in the hole while you shoot.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: Then Cameron went back down. Who don't, don't steal all
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: his glory here. So you pulled the trigger and you
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: can hear I at least for me, it was one
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: of the most satisfying noises ever, was to hear you
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: hit solid rock that was rock, solid rock. So then
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: you did not clear the lip. So of course we
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: give shipped to parentesses surveys like all right, will you
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: go catch him with your hands? Then I was like,
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: all right, I think I can do it. So I
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: went down there and blocked the whole hole with my shoulders,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: put my head in there, and I had him like
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: I had him in my hands multiple times in the hole.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: He just wouldn't open his mouth. The trick is to
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: get him to bite you so that you can get
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: your hands in his mouth and then you can get
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: your hands in his gills and it's basically noodling, which
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: I've I've done plenty of times, but man, that was
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: a noodle. Yeah. So I had a pretty good battle
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: with him. And during this, you know, all of us
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: mucking around down there, we had two sharks that had
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: come up, and one of them just as I came
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: to the surface after a noodle him and all that
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: hell was breaking loose, was like right there at the
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: mouth of the hole, and that grouper came out like,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: you know, like a guy that had almost got knocked out.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: Here's the things, like nothing had actually happened to him,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: but he had just had the most harrowing he had
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: had probably the most harrowing minutes he's ever had in
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: his whole life. And the way that shark is like
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: something is with that fish. What I mean, he had
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: his number. Yeah, So the grouper just came out of
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: the hole, and you know, it's like he's been in
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: a dark room for forty five minutes. He walked out
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: of the sunlight and right there is a six ft
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: shark like, something's wrong with you. I couldn't believe with
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: that shark recognized that. He's like, I don't know what
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: it is, but you're not right. And man, they both
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: took off like a bat out of hell and they
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: were instantly gone. If I had to bet money, I
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: think the group was not alive. I think so too,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: because here's what I think what happened to him. He's
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: he can't go to his main hide out, and he's
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: gonna go into like he's got to know exactly where
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: he's going. And if he goes into any place that
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: we're a dead ends or there's another grouper, he's gonna pause.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: That dud's on him. Man. Yeah, bad for him. I
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: think he survived. It would be surprised. The group was
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: a tough fish, especially a shop on him. I can't
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: believe that was wild to fit himself in a small
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: little but you don't think he could fit him so
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: and that I hope he's alive. That's something interesting to
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: say for both the grouper and the shark. Like the
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: fish are amazingly hardy. Like the grouper that uh that
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: we got with Kimmy, that one had an old scar
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: in it from where he had been shot and had
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: ripped out, you know, and he had healed over and
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: you actually pointed it out. Oh yeah, I mean he
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: was playing it like the plane his day. Yeah, and
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: a lot of those big old warriors like that, they're
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: going to have that. And then on the on the
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: other end of the spectrum, the sharks, like how fast
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: that shark went, Like we're always like yeah, you know,
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: like look at the shark, or Al Roker said, you know,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: redirect the shark, you know, when they're coming at you
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: or whatever. Seeing how fast that shark goes, there is
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: nothing you can do. If they want you, if they
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: want to bite you, you're getting bit. There's no way
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: to stop them. They're just so fast. I was really
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: impressed by how fast that shark swam. I normally would
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: would put money on the grouper, but seeing that shark
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: just chase that grouper and just how much he gained
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: on him, I would put my money on this shark.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: What a little more, what a morsel man, a big
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: meal dude. And so let's let's talk about the let's
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: come around on a whole hunt that went right. You
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: saw him out mine in his own business. Yeah, Like,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take you with me every time we go
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: for groupers, because as soon as you and I jump
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: in the water, the bubbles clear, we see one. Yeah,
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: so we jumped in that spot and um. As soon
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: as bubbles cleared, like, I kicked towards the reef and
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: I saw a big one, like the biggest grouper we've
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: seen the whole trip. And he started hauling butt um
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: up the reef and I took off like about out
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: of hell. Yeah. How far did he go before he
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: went into his hole? Probably forty yards fifty yards um,
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: And we're talking about we're talking about a forty pound fish. Yeah.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: And it's tough in that shallow stuff because you're like
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: your neck is so craned. Think about laying flat on
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: the floor on your stomach and having a crane to
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: look in front of you along the floor. That's a
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: weird position. And like in the shallows, they're like straight
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: front of you. It's not like looking down, so they're
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: already on the edge of visibility. So I'm hauling but
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: after him, and he went up into a section of
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: the reef that um Zach Brown and I actually found
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: together um And in fact, I call that that spot.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: I think Zach Hole or Zach black or something Zack
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: black black. Yeah. And he went in the same hole
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: that Zach and I had gotten a big yellopin grouper
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: in and I mean you said it was like the
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: most happy you see me a long time. Like I
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: was just like, yes, yes, because I knew the hole.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: And the only way to figure those holes out is
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: to have an experience like we did yesterday. Is like
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: you gotta just spend a ton of time in there
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: and figure out I can get my body into this
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: hole by twisting this way. Then I got to bring
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: the pulse spirit in this way. But once they go
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: in these dark holes where they think they're safe, for
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: the most part, those groupers like to have an exit.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: That particular hole does not have an exit, but it
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: has enough space in there that he can go in
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: and turn around. So their m O is to go
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: in those holes, go way back up in the dark,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: and just lay up against the back of it so
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: that anybody looking in there is just going to think
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: it's the back of the hole. Because their camouflage and
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: their coloring they can change, you know, like a chameleon,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: they can change to match whatever they're doing. So when
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: they're they're usually just jet black. So I went in
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: there and looked with the light. Once kind of the
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: you know, the dust settled, and then we started having
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: to strategize like how how can we get in that
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: hole with a spear short enough to get in the
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: hole and then shoot him. Yeah, because you actually said,
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: even though you knew that hole and you found that whole,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: you guys weren't successful because it was too small for
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: zax body and it was a tricky hole. Like it
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: was great, it was a wonderful opportunity. And of course
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: having you put all those spotlights on the fish so
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: we could see it was everything, because Steve and I
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: couldn't even see it at first. But then trying to
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: figure out because you really had to go deep into
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: that hole because he was way in the back and
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: and it's like a narrow little thing that's like just
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: enough to fit my body. But trying to then figure
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: out how to get a spear in there at the
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: right angle and how to have it loaded in there,
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: that was a lot. And for reference, the hole that
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: we're talking about was probably just wide enough that Steve
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: or I or Kimmy's shoulders could get in, so we
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: could sneak our body in there. But then you had
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: to go easy six ft just you your feet are
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: sticking out, just your feet are sticking out, so you're
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: and it's not like it's straight down, so you're going
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: probably down two ft and then immediately turning and going
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: to the left five ft six ft and the fishes
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: back there about nine he's way in there. So it's
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: it's wild. It's like a weird like kind of side
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: shaped chimney, and it's it's just it's weird to squeeze
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: yourself in this like twisted tunnel that's just enough to
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: fit your body, knowing that there's no possible way when
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: you're in all the way to your ankles and you
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: know that you can't turn around. That's a weird feeling,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: really weird, because going backwards is not the easiest thing
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: to And how and how many feet were you guys underwater?
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: I was And this is on a breath, you know,
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: on a single breath. So and this is one of
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: the things that I love about the whole hunting is
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: the strategy behind it because all of us are you know,
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: we're students of whatever sport it is, you know, hunting, diving, fishing,
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: and for each one of these situations, you have to
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: draw on every experience you had leading up to that
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: to make it happen. Because like general people would have
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: like a big long pulse fore we've been using the
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: whole time and be like this, it's not gonna happen.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: You just can't get the thing in there, or you
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: know he's around the corner, blah blah blah, We're not
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: gonna be able to get it. Yea, we kicked around,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: harpooning it. Yeah, just pushing into him. So in my mind,
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: and there's there's usually a way that you can figure
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: it out. Um, it's just being patient, you know, because
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: once you touch him that one time, he's gonna blow
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: out of there. So making that first shot count and
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: not just taking a pot shot is really important. What
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: you gotta wait for the sand to settle. It's got
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: to be clear enough you can see him. You know.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: Steve was backing you out, and I think I told you,
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: you know, like if she starts getting stuck, you know,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: pull her out. Um. And I told Cammy, I was like,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: when you do go and shoot him, if you don't
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: have the perfect shot, don't don't let it go. But
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: when you do shoot him, just let go of everything.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: All you need to focus on is getting out of
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: that hole because there's not enough space for both of
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: you guys to be in that hole at the same
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: time at the entrance because it's so narrow, and then
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: you've got a spear coming back at you too. So
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: the danger factor in the complexity of all is is
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: what makes it very challenging, very dangerous, and and you
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: know awesome as well. Yeah, I just want to illuminate
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: the picture. It's like I was on the top watching
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: this all go down. It's like multiple dives down from
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: all of you, sometimes one of you, sometimes a couple
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: of you guys two together, checking it out, seeing it
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: coming back up, readjusting the plan, thinking of different, you know,
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: ways to get him out. Who was going to do what,
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: who was gonna you know. It was just kind of
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: this battle plan unfolding as you'd go and lay eyes
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: on him, or at one point maybe he was like
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: further back in the hole you couldn't see him. I mean,
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: it's just like your your team coming together to try
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: to figure out whose job, who's doing what, how to
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: get this and then to see it all come together
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: from the surface was comple I mean it was insane
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: to see, like Kimmy jam that spearing Steve was behind
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: her went in and I mean immediately, like Camerin said,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: Cameron just looked me in the eye. I was like,
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: after your spirit, do not even try to horse it out.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: Get out of there. You came up with a smile
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: on your face. I knew, I knew I got him good.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: Like I said, when he came up, was that on
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: the work exactly? Who knew? You hit him solid fist
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: camera on the way up, and then said, I said,
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: I think it's gonna work. And then when he started
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: talking to me, I just happened to put my face
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: back in the water, and Steve was already going down
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: there to retrieve it. I'm like, oh, Steve's already in it,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: so tell us from from your side, because I mean,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: I know, like, at least in my mind, I think
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: that's the first time you realized how strong fish can be.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean the first thing that surprised me
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: is when I put my arm and I couldn't find
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: the shaft and that thing's long. I was like, damn,
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: that thing isn't there far. And I've actually reached up
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: in there pretty good and got ahold of shaft and
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: started to pull him. I was surprised that I could
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: actually pull him a little bit, but then he come out.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: Did he come out and head first? Tail man? I was,
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: I was, I had no idea that fishes that big
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: Steve was whipped and it was just nothing. But like
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: I just like I could see his just tail. No, no,
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: he came out head first, but somehow that there was
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: so much silt sediments ship and I just saw like
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: what I thought, like a hall of it tail, you know,
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: just tail. His tail is probably easily two hands fans
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: like your hands, yeah, your hands easily. Oh wait, did
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: we did we say how big this grouper was? Yeah,
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: like I feel like forty pounds, Brandon feels like upper third.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: It was. It was like a man and they were
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: getting dragged around in circles. He got me like, so
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: you got it coming out, and like what was kind
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: of your plan? Like I'm just gonna take him the surface.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I was like, I don't know what
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: I thought. I had to hurry because I thought if
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: he just came out, so I kept taking if he
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: comes out and just slims away with the whole kit
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: and caboodle, which yeah, so I thought it was like
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: I thought it was like an essence of like and
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: that's weary. And you know because if he came out
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: and for all the serpent, he just like swam off
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: after he just swam off. So I thought you had
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: to kind of be like Johnny out the spot. I
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: was gonna pull him out of the hole. I don't know,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: you guys are eyes hanging around making sure nothing bad
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: happens to be so sure I got him out of
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: the whole. Someone else to do something just from from
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: as soon as I looked down. I was just trying
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: to be helpful. You pull you pulled him out, and
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: you're kind of facing the hole. You pulled him out,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: and in the video you can see he comes out
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: like a bad comes to life and spins you around.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: I was crazy at least, and you had made a
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: comment about you like the kind of fish where you
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: gotta dig your heels in try to drag him out
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: of the hole, which is hard with a fin on.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: But I actually when he went under that next ledge,
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: I had like I was trying to brace myself like
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: I was gonna do a dead list. I was like
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: getting set up for a dead list. And then once
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: he was free of the hole, and Kimmy was down
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: there and then I was like, holy ship, that fish
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: is big. Man. It just seems like in that I
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: don't know why, but like in that because most of
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: fish are looking there aren't big. You know, you're looking
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: at all kinds of fish, like you know, two three
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: four pounds, I mean, just aw the reef fish. And
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: I just didn't know that something like that was around
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: when I went and looked at it, because you are
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: looking at like there's like a portion of a fish
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: when you put a light. Now you like, just look
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: where the light is. I'm like, fish, I don't know.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: Hear what about this? He says, like thirty forty something
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: pounds When you're looking at in the cooler, what's its dimensions?
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: It filled a YETI one, It's lips and tail are touching, yeah,
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: and just fat and chubby in between those those big blacks. Um,
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: we can always tell, like they're over thirty five when
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: they get that big bottom jaw, Like you can see
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: the big shoulders, but that big bottom jaw. As they
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: get bigger, it just gets bigger and bigger, and you're like,
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: that's a real one, you know. But less than that,
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: I still think it's kind of not a juvenile I
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: mean they're good fish, but that's a stud like that,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: a big one. You know. A thing I've learned from
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: I think I'll learn from spear fisherman that I had
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: to put together for like after a whole life of
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: rod and reel and fish. Is that like grip Like
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: that if you get your hand up in his throat,
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: so your thumb is under one gill plate and your
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: four fingers go on to the other guilt plate, and
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: you're basically like grabbing his trachia. You're grabbing the base
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: of his gills, pushing all of his gills together too,
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: closing it. Man, you can manage a hell of a
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: big fish like that, and it's so much easier to
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: swim them and turn them by their head. You got them.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: You're thinking, you're they shut right down. You're not letting
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: water go through their gills. They're like, oh jeez, I
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: mean this is difference, Like it puts you in the
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: driver's seat in a way, the holding his tail and ship.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: It just makes them that much more. I mean, that's
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: how they're shaped to be hydrodynamic. So oh yeah, that
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: was like I couldn't believe the first time I did.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: I did it on a on a yellow tail and
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: it was like he was just like very hard to man,
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: it's wrapping all over, beat me inside of the head
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: and I met you got him like that and he's
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: just like okay, Uh, if you curious what all this
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: looks like all the whole hunting parent as a camera,
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: as a underwater cameraman, how would you rank coverage. It's
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: one of those difficult things to shoot ever, because you
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: guys are disappearing inside of a cave, and it does
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: make it doesn't create certain complexities. It well, it's dark
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: and you have a flashlight and they're silt everywhere. So honestly,
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: the camera rigs like we can barely get them inside
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: the holes. UM. Having go pros and things rigged up
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: in the cave like camera setting up is super helpful
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: for us, UM because the grouper and stuff they just
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: disappeared into the dark. So it's not the easiest thing
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: to shoot. And one thing people forget is that the
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: camera guys have to keep up with you athletes or divers,
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: and uh, that's that's gonna be hard. Sometimes we have
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: this great, great stuff. Oh yeah, yeah, if you were
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: too great, like the footage that we've been getting recently.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: I mean it's it's it's as good as it gets
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: for the Bahamas UM, and there's a lot of team
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: we're involved in that with you guys hunting, but also
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: like Kimmy and and Cameron, I've been diving with them
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: for almost a decade now. So when we're all diving
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: together is the most fun for me because we don't
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: even have conversations. We just look at each other and
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: all of us know exactly what to do at all
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: times in the water, and it's like this unspoken communication
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: when we're hunting and filming, that's just like everything is seamless,
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: and creating with professionals and and getting it all on camera.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: It's just what we've created this past week is going
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: to be one of those badass Bahamas shows I've ever seen.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: So I'm excited about it. That's not I'm talking about
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: and they'll be able to see it where Kimmy on
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: meat Eater YouTube. I think it's going to release in
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: October and um yeah, I'm gonna have my own little
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: series on meat Eater what other what other places are
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: on there? So this is our our travel episode. It
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: is UM currently a four part series and so we
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: have Maui my origins, um, and we have other places
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: in Hawaii Big Island and this is the travel episode Bahamas. Yeah,
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: but paren Um and my husband Justin have been filming
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: all the underwater stuff and I think it's just it's
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: so damn cool to have like people who are not
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: just really really good cameraman, but they're also they're also
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: holding their breath with us. I don't think a lot
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: of people understand that. And they're also just that their
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: knowledge and understanding of spear fishing, Like like they're not
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: just Okay, we're gonna work our cameras and then be done.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: Like any break they get, they're out there poking fish too.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: And that's what makes it so cool, is it? Like
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: when we say it's teamwork, I mean it is such teamwork.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: Half the times when we're diving, like it's even our
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: camera guys like grunting or getting our attention to show
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: us like a fish that we're not seeing and you
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: guys are capturing it, but you're you're hunting it with us.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: And that's what I think like makes the filming of
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: the whole thing so fun. Definitely my heart. The problem
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: I have with the way they grunt when they see something.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: It first takes me five minutes figure out where they
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: all are at because it never just like automatically occurs
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: to me there behind me. I always start looking like
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: in front of me because you're like underwater noise, it
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: just no direction to it. But every time I hear
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: him grunt and I start looking in front of me,
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: I'm like, the one place I know he's not is there,
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: But I still like where is he? They'm like, oh,
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: that's right somewhere behind when you got a fish or
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: just what like, what are you talking about? Going idiot? Idiot,
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: idiot right there? I only had grant you a few times,
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: teams so much if we could talk underwater, little underwater chokboards,
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: He's like, look to your right, there is a large
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: hog fish staring at you. Cute cards. No, it was
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: so cool is that you guys put each other on
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: so many different fish species so you were able to experience,
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: like what it was catching gellow jack, black grouper, a
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: lot of you know, and just to to have that
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: different experience with each species. And I love I love
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: seeing the learning curve because I mean I said it yesterday,
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: like Kimmy is arguably one of the best female and
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: male spiritfish period in the world. Like she's phenomenal. She
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: just has that way in the water. Um, but even
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: still like nerves using different rig and you know, the
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: water the first day, like you kind of worked out
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: the kinks and same thing with Steve, you know, by
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: the end of the trip. I mean we still made
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: some mistakes, but night and day different than you know
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: the first day, like your guys learning curves like this,
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: Like it was pretty incredible. That's the fun part. Okay, So,
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: uh got one A couple of things left. One major thing. Uh,
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: A conk is a large marine snail. What's a big conk? Way,
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be a few pounds, right, I've had something
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: with the actual meat itself. Way is up to two pounds,
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: all the meat itself and the whole damn shells weigh
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: heavier than that, probably a foot long, and tastes real
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: good paint and the as to clean. Oh but you don't.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: Let's I want to cover an oar thing. You don't
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: like lobster anymore? You got burned out. You're like someone
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: who gets the job at of ice cream play pretty
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: much and they pretty eat an ice cream. I mean,
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: I'll still eat it, but I really lost a taste
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: for it. Handled too many of them, seeing too much,
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: smelled it, eating it too much. But you still like conk? Yeah,
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: I love conk. It's not cleaning. Conk is not um
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: intuitive count No, you like, Well, I'll back some, but
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: we're gonna go. We're gonna clean. You're gonna clean one
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: for us again. I think I told you to store.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell it again. The first time we tried
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: to clean one one. We're in the southern yuk Tam
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: Peninsula and we were kind of camping in this old
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: bombed out house. Was like the roof had burned off.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: It was sort of like just a structure and the
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: windows were gone, but it had the window frames. And
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: we had a rental car, and we took the bottle
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: jack out of the rental car and we put the
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: conk up against the top of the window frame and
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: put the bottle jack on the bottom of the window frame,
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: and put a two by four between the conk and
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: the window frame, so it's like from going from it's
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: like the window frame a bottle jack or two by
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: four on top of the bottle jack. Then the conk
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: sandwich between the two by four and the roof of
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: the window frame of a house, and then start working
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: the jack. There's a bottle jack didn't make that noise,
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: but you get the noise. And then we'd like pick
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: crush it and then pick all the chunks of shell
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: and ship out of there and try to start out
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: what was edible. And then one day we found where
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: someone had been cleaning some ages ago, and we're like,
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: why do they all have that little hole? And then
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: it began to occur how one breaks into a con
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: But I still had really ever figured it out till now.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: I say, people completely destroyed the shell to get it out.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: Take a big hama or sledge holm and just completely
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: explode the shell and like you said, picked the pieces off. Okay,
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: we're gonna deal with that real quick. We gotta step
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: outside the right because it's a messy business, all right,
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: blocked up. So we got you got the conk in
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: your hand, what's he wait? Two three pounds, three pounds,
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: two pounds snail in your hand, and he can and
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: he's he lookal and he comes to a point and
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: those are like his growth rings. And you're gonna chisel
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: into that snail shell where the end of his body
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: curls all the way around. So we had a special hammer.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: Is that made for that? Yeah? Actually it is. It's
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: like imagine, um, it's like two I can't what the
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: blade is called, like a yeah, like two hatchet blades
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: set at ninety degree angle. So one side's got a
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: one side's got a vertical, and one side's got a
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: horizontal depending on your stroke. Right, different strokes for different folks,
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: that's right. So you're gonna take that, you're gonna bore
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: into that shell. Yeah, So what you're gonna do is count.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: I know they typically count up instead of counting down
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: practically the same. So I'll count two up. So you
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: stop from this one where it's more defined one two
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: in between the second and the third. Well, how do
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: you know where to start accounting? Yeah, that's immediate argument
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: because you go to where it so the first role
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: is well defined. But that's someone's preference, so that you'd count.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: He'd be the one count and you count that one
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, that would be one that would be
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: too okay, then bullshit with with but right, come come
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: to from the sef you could get and that's a
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: funny thing because I guarantee you would never get him up. No,
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: because that's not technically that's not horns one too, and
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: you break that, you get So this goes to show
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: that it's it's almost by it's like common sense that
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: that's gonna be where it's gonna be, you know, like
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: that's where you gotta crack it. Yes and no. But
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: I'm saying like for us, like you look at it,
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: that makes total sense. It's gonna be there. For me,
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: it makes total sense, it's gonna be he you know
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: what he said to me A handful of times he
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: said to me something about how he was trained or
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: how he was taught. He's got like a yeah, an
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: allegiance to what I'm saying. Three four, five, seven, that's
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: between the seventh and eight. Let's do it, guys. If
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: you want to count all the sorry, and how do
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: you know where you're gonna whack it? I count the notches.
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: So you go, you count too, not just one too.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: And it's in between the second and third, but you're
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: you're counting the first match that has texture, Yes, the
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: one really defined you know, defined, horny little growth ring, Yes,
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: And you just count up too. In between the second
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: and third is where you're going to crack them. And
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: the goal is that you're going to break a little
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: teeny hole in there and then sever his mooring because
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: he's like curled inside there and just the muscles stuck
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: to the shed itself. That's what it touches him. So
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: he's only attached him one little spot inside there. You're
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: not really cutting nothing off to say, detouch it. You
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: just removing it. It, just trying it free pretty much,
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: loosening his grip on his shell. Yes, got it, and
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: that's it. What Yeah, there's a little whole third inch
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: by an inch Now that's onny one though, I don't
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: snakes a bendy dexter flame knife and air and you're
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 1: just freeing up so the flexi blades billiam corn Huh
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: To be honest, no, I prefer to use um but
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: a knife. Yeah, And then you grab his foot, Wow,
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 1: comes right out of there. You never guess. That's just
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: slides right out. He's got a little dinosaur claw for
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: a hook. Orange section of black, second brown section in
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: a big old white section. So what all this is edible?
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: All of it really and truthfully all of it is
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: edible besides the spur, the gut and the mouth dies
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: and everything. It looks like a little alien. And then
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: you gotta get the rubbery skin off there. You don't
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: have to. You don't have to, like yments, No, mony,
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: they won't cut it off, really, the skin and everything.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: So Steve cut it off for us because we're not behaving.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: I mean that probably we had you all out, and yeah,
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: let's probably have a different point of view on it.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: If it's got the skin on, people say it makes
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: it tough all but not really. So what come out
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: of there is like a big I mean what your
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: leftover was, I would say you left over like a
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: big Hamburger patty of meat pretty much. Yes, And so Steve,
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: what's your hot tip take away from con cleaning? Don't
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: use a bottle jack? Okay, So one last thing, speaking
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: of conk. The other day we had this is where
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: your listeners get involved. The other day we had h
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 1: conk fritters at a restaurant. That is just it's crazy.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: I gues stop thinking about the guy in the restaurant.
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: It's amazing. There's a guy, his family has been on
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: this island for out and how long hundred fifty years
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 1: something crazy. He lives alone for the most part, lives
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: alone on an island, collects rain water and has a
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: brackish water well, completely off the grid, and if all things,
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: he runs a restaurant that he used to run with
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: his mother who grew up there. His siblings were like
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: born on the island. He likes to point out that
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: he wasn't. He was born in a hospital and take
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: him back to the island. Family dates back over a
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: century and like the stude named Chester has his restaurant
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: and you need to call and tell him you're coming,
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: and you pull a boat up. I mean he's many
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: miles from the nearest road. You pull a boat up
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: and he makes fried fish count fritters and during season
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: he cooks you lobster. Cameron's friends with him, and it's
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: like it's not it's hard to explain the like, nohemer
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: you think of a restaurant, you think of someone like
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: he's just like he's just trying to get by in
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: a way that makes sense to him, right and provide
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 1: like like a really nice service. It's like it's like
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: a restaurant, but it's that no one's getting rich at
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: this restaurant. It's just like he like lives the way
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 1: that makes sense to him and the way he's been
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: there and is a restaurant. It brings about a tremendous
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: amount of goodwill. You call him, you come in, you
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: park your boat, you walk up, and he makes crying
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: fritters and fried fish and sells beer. It's a great
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: place and like slamming rump. But for him to get
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: fuel is a real pain in the assid and Cameron
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: can explain the fuel situation. So he had he's always
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 1: run on generator. It's not like there's power out there.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: And I think in a thirty mile stretch there might
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: be five other people that live like he's just right
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: smack in the middle of no man's land. So he's
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: got a diesel generator that he had for the last
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: ten years or whatever that died just after this past hurricane.
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: So about ten miles away on another island, we had
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: heard that there was another generator that had been up
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: in the woods in the bush for like fifteen years
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: left like and the guy who owns that island said,
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: you guys can have that if you want. So him
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: and two other guys went and got that old generator
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: has just been overgrown or whatever. Put it on a
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: boat and drug it back to the island, and we
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 1: drug it up the hill and put it back in there,
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: and somehow a mechanic got it going after you know,
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: a week. So now he's got this dilapidated old generator,
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: and to get fuel for that, he's got to get
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: in his boat and go fifteen miles get deesel, put
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: it in jerry cans and bring it back to that
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 1: and hump it up the hill and refill that generator constantly.
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 1: So just before COVID, I got a guy to he
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: then got weirdly, he got shut down for nine months
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: during talk about brutal, like a place that would no
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: one even know about. He's like restaurants gotta showed down.
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 1: I closed so weird, Like I would have been like,
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep staying open because we're gonna know
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: who's gonna know. Um. So he's always he's always said,
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 1: you know, if you can get me a generator, you know,
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 1: that'd be great. So a while back I went there
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: and looked in the generator shed man, there's like five
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: generators in there, Like a diesel generator is just not
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: the way to go. They're just gonna keep dying. Yeah,
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: they die and just live there, and he's gonna moves
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: over and put another one in him. So I was like,
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: why not do solar? You know? So I was like,
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: started looking into getting quotes for solar. Howd a guy
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: go out there and figure out the amount of power
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 1: he needed and give us a quote and a game
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: plan for doing solar. And that's where I got Steve involved,
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: you know. I said, you know, if if you can
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: give back anything for this trip, it would be to
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 1: help him, to get him solar, just because he has
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: done such a service for everyone that has ever visited
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: that place will never forget it. That's one of the
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 1: coolest spots on the planet. And just to take one
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: aspect of us giving back to him and this worldwide
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: community that loves that place so much and putting solar
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: that's going to help the environment and help that island.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: I would love to do that. And we are rolling
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: right now. We're with Chester. Can you introduce yourself and
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: where we are right now? All I'm chest Advil. Yeah,
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: it flows kunk Shack and Little Habba and the Barry Islands,
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: Bahamas and how big is this island that we're standing
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: on and who inhabits it? The island is about two
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: and a half miles long and about a quarter mile wide.
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: Current population. Current population right now is too well, usually
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: there's one. So years ago, I was down here in
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: the Bahamas and we've been fishing up in the Northern
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: Barres Islands. We're running back down south and we ran
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: past this island and I was like, man, who lives
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: on that island? There's like two little houses, and a
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 1: buddy's like, man, that's that restaurant. It's called Flows. It's like, well,
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: how in the heck do they get anything there? But
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: let's go check. We gotta go check this out. So
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: we pull in running ground a couple of times trying
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 1: to get in here, and finally get in here to
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: the dock and walk up and I was like, hey,
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: can we have lunch? Chester was like, do you have
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: lunch tomorrow? And just segued into the next fifteen years
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: of getting a no Chester and just what he has
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: to go through day to day to live on an
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 1: island by himself and run a restaurant which is arguably
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 1: the best kunk and fresh fish, fried fish I've ever
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: had my life anywhere in the world. It's so good,
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 1: so good. Thank you very much for that game. I mean,
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 1: it's gotta be wild for you seeing this every day.
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 1: But you know every little bit of history because your
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: family has been here for more than a hundred years. Yeah,
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: what basically what got me started with this? When I
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: was in school, My mom told me that this was
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: our father's dream before you pass So in school I
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: used to think about it all the time. And what
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: I'm doing here right now is just trying to fulfill
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: his dream because he's not here, So I took it
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 1: upon myself to make it my dream. And what's your
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 1: family's history here? You're telling me about your great or
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: great great grandmother. Her name was Agnes Johnson. I think
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: she was born in eighteen fourteen, if I'm not mistaken,
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 1: And she was the founder of this island, Little Harbor
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 1: under the keys around it, and it's been in our
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: family ever since. It's generation property. You said she used
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: to what did she used to do on this island.
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: She used to cook for the pirates before she bought
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: this island. She did Insistent Key, which is opposite Great Harbor,
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 1: and she's to cook for the pirates, and they used
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 1: to pay and go. She was a slave and that's
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 1: why she made her fortune. And she overheard the pirates
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: talking about purchasing the harbor, so when they went out
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 1: to see she went in asa and purchase it. And
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: when they came back and they met her. Yeah, that's
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: how she got this island. How did that go over
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 1: the pirates, Well, they didn't have a choice in about it.
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 1: She already paid for it. That's pretty wild. And they
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: when you as soon as you pull up here, you
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: see generations and generation pile the biggest colle pile kunk
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: shells I've ever seen. You're looking at over as a conkin.
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 1: I mean it's literally close to a million conk. Well,
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: what you got to look at, what you're looking at
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: is only half or what used to be here because
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: the shell it rots after a while and it turns
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: into sign. Hm. That's why you're saying so pretty good
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: from all that conk. I guess. So, so you run
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: a restaurant, you live on this island. There are needs
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: for power electricity to keep things running. What's what's your
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: current situation with this now? Well, right now, I'm just
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: skating on nice right now. That's what's going on with
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 1: me right now, and you know I need help. If
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: whoever can help me, I'd appreciate it very much. What's
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 1: the what's the back story for the The major challenge
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: here is Chester lives fifteen miles from any other civilization,
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: So to get even fuel for the generator, he's got
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: to go down getting his boat if the weather allows,
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: and then run another fifteen miles up to gas cans up,
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 1: get him filled with diesel, hop back in the boat,
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: run back here, and then hump him up this hill
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: and then back another hundred fifty yards back into the
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 1: bush to a generator that is probably thirty or forty
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 1: years old, you know, and it's been it's I mean,
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: you're just hanging on by a thread keeping that thing running.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 1: And how how hot was it today? About nine degrees?
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: Having even a fan is helpful here, So you know,
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 1: having that generator there's a big deal. But I had
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: had the idea just before COVID to try to get
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: your solar. He's got a perfect piece of land here
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: that's kind of protected from you know, the hurricanes. There's
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 1: a good spot to put the solar kind of out
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: of the way, Um, it's gonna save you know, moving
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: diesel and not having to rely on fossil fuels period um.
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 1: And just you know, you think about the things we
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 1: do day to day just to survive, you know, at home,
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: and how many people we have helping us. He doesn't
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 1: have anybody help him. He's just him. So you're having
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 1: an off day, and you know it's the however many
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: how many how many days you run on diesel before
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 1: you got to refill? Uh? Well, the tank I have
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: is about uh about every three three days. I usually
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 1: put in about fifteen gallons roughly m So it's a
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: lot of work. Yea, Let's get some solar on this island.
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: So personally, I couldn't fund it, and I wanted to
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 1: get some friends together to help do it. And everyone
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 1: I talked to had offered to help. But you know
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 1: Steve and talking to him, and you know, a group
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: of friends with here is like, let's do this, you know,
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 1: let's really help him out. We can use our reach,
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 1: you know to help a good guy in a cool place,
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 1: you know, to be able to keep you doing what
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 1: you're doing so more people can come and enjoy this.
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 1: And this is there's not enough places like this on
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 1: the planet with people like you. We spent we spent
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: um number of hours over a couple of days here
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 1: at Chester's and this was the base camp for part
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 1: of the film shoot. He fed us from the restaurant.
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: It was a scene for Um, we used his kitchen
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 1: and his restaurant for a cooking scene for the show.
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 1: And um, yeah, I mean it's something that anyone who's
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: in this area like needs to come and experience. It
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: is something that you really I can't imagine finding anywhere else. Um.
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: So it's just kind of preservation of history and and
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 1: continuing that. Yes, you can say that again. He also
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 1: makes a slam and rum punch by it as flows
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: famous rum punch flows cock check right flows called check Solar. Yeah. Um,
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 1: that's that's what I've put together on camer instead of
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 1: a goal fund me to help. He might be sitting
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 1: there thinking like, um, why would I give a shit
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 1: about this place? I don't think I can't explain to you.
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: It's a cool place. It's a really cool project. He's
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 1: a great guy, that's a nice guy, and it's like
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: it'd just be fun to to do that. I feel like,
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 1: you know, I feel like a lot of listeners would
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 1: kick in a few bucks. Yeah, I'm gonna kick in
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 1: some money. Yeah, any I mean anything helps, you know,
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 1: And if it takes us five years, you know, to
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 1: do it, you think about how many thousands and thousands
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 1: of gallons of diesel burned that that'll save, you know,
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 1: in one of the most pristine spots in the world.
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 1: To be able to do it solar and to take that,
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: you know, out of it, those fossil fuels out of it,
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 1: would be pretty amazing. It's just such a nice and
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 1: usual guy. You just want that place and what he's
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 1: doing to exist in this world. I mean he has,
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 1: like you said, over hunt, over a century of history there.
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 1: He said to himself, like I'm never leaving this island.
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 1: That's what he wants to do for the rest of
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 1: his life. But it's like not exactly like fitted for
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 1: today's world, you know, and so but to me, it's
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 1: like those are the little gems, a little splashes of
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 1: like awesome unique diversity that makes the world that much
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 1: more interesting. So if we all could help it out
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 1: just so it can exist, Like what a better place
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 1: history floes conk Shack Solar, Yeah, you can have it
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 1: all set up. Ye, flows conk shack solar. One thing
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 1: he mentioned as it being his dad's dream. I feel
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 1: like it was like a couple of generations back. Was
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 1: it Cam his great great great great grandmother Flow she uh.
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 1: He told us a story about how she used to
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 1: serve food on that island to the pirates. She was
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 1: she was born a slave, but yeah, but got into
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 1: feeding the pirates when they would come in and would
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 1: get collect goals. Made a little fortune off of that
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 1: and not to stand them on the island for a while.
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 1: And had heard the pirates like that island. So when
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 1: the pirates went out to do their thing, she went
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: to Nassau and bought the island. So they were a
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 1: little bitter about that, That's what I asked. I was like,
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: so what did the pirates do? They must have been passed.
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 1: So let's keep that history up into the president. It's fun.
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 1: It's a fun project. We'll talk more about it. You're
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 1: also gonna put a get We also got a little
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 1: video of showing the place. Sweet. Maybe sweet people could,
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: like I said, kick in a couple of bucks and
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 1: we'll pull that whole thing together to be fun. Yeah,
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 1: it's where it's where Kimmy did her cooking second or
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 1: the three of us, I should say, did our cooking
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 1: segment um for her show in the series. And Chester's
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 1: on it, Chesters on it all right, not to be
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: confused the Chester the divester different, Chester, polygraph Chester, yeah
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 1: line Chester al right, everybuddy, thanks a lot,