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Vibe Sesh #29 | Josh Terry: Can Giving Up on a Dream Save Your Life? · Vibe Sesh Podcast

• 0:22
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, Sneed God, I saw you in the comment section today.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_03: Sup, big dog?
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yo, yo, Benoit, my French bro.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_03: Woo, this is gonna be, we got a little cab going on here.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_03: Cabernet Sauvignon.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_03: And we got a little 10 milli, 10 milli of sativa.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_03: Sativa in the house.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_03: Woo.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_03: The music.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_03: Damn.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_03: You hearing this?
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_03: All right, let's go.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_03: Oh shit.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_03: Benoit, come on up, bitch.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_03: And Benoit.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_03: Cisco, why are you declining, motherfucker?
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, wrong side.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_03: What's up?
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_03: What's up, handsome?
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_02: How you doing?
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_03: How you doing?
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, baby.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_03: How you doing, baby?
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_03: Dude, everybody's so excited.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_03: Josh was like DMing me.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_03: When are you starting?
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_03: When are you starting?
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_03: Everybody's excited for this combo, guys.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_02: That'd be great.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_02: So it's four of us.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's four
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_03: of us.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_03: Around a digital fire, my friend, Benoit.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_02: Love it.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_02: You like fires?
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_02: I love fires.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_02: I love campfires.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_02: Damn.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's where the best conversations happen.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_03: You had really good conversations around campfires?
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_02: Everyone has great conversations in front of campfires and, you know, nature and sunset.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_02: And we discussed this last time.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's like this perfect environment or this window that promotes creativity
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_02: and openness and stuff.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_02: It's great.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_03: The campfire?
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_03: Dude, I don't have that experience.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_02: That's okay.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm saying.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I'm saying?
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_03: So I feel like I long that experience.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_03: A real campfire, bro.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_03: Like I went camping with my parents,
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_03: but it wasn't like, you know, I don't remember like the deep conversations.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I'm saying?
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_03: But it's been so long that I've been around the campfire, bro.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_03: Is that bad or what, bro?
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_03: You think that's bad for the soul?
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_02: No, you're good.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, just come here.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_02: I'll organize one.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_03: How's that?
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, baby, Cisco in the house is coming up.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_01: There we go.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_01: Bro, you should go to a campfire.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_03: What do you think?
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, you always send me pictures around the campfire.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, I saw this, like, it was a viral...
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_03: And it was talking about how like they're sitting around the campfire and
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_03: because it's never in the same place at the same time,
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_03: it's almost like you're present.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_03: It's almost like a Cobra, you know, like a King Cobra kind of thing.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_03: What do you think?
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_03: You think that's true?
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_03: I haven't been around a campfire.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_01: I think watching something gets you to the present moment.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like if you watch an animal,
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like like that hunter in your Mind and body,
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: like you just lock in and you're completely present.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_01: So I get like that with watching a fire.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_03: Guys, you guys ready for today's?
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_03: How do you feel about this guest while we find him?
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_03: Let's see.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_03: He's not here yet.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_03: He was asking me when we're going to start.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_01: He's like a self-development goat, you know, like.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_01: Reels.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_01: I think he has something to offer for all levels,
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_01: like if you're a beginner, intermediate, you know, advanced.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm curious.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_03: The man himself, Josh Perry in the house.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_03: All of us have been watching this guy on TikTok forever.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, my God.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_03: Am I the only one being a fan?
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like I've seen him here and there over time too.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: He looks familiar, right?
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_01: He'd be reading something off screen and he'd have something very insightful.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: Can you guys hear me alright from here?
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_00: Is this good?
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_03: You're a little bit to the side, though.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe you can center yourself a little bit.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's fine, dude.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, wait, wait, almost.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_03: A little more.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_03: It's been a couple of
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: months since I've been on the internet.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_00: Nope.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's been a couple months since I've been on the internet, guys.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_03: Why?
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_03: Where have you been?
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_03: You went to Burning Man?
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_00: I've been in my room coding, talking to Claude, talking to Codex, talking to Carcer.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_03: Awesome.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_02: AI, guys.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_03: You love AI.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_02: Woo!
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, it's been a while.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_03: A lot of our guests are like, but what about the data sensors?
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_03: What about the, you know?
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_03: So what are we doing, you know?
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_00: We're in the oceans.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_03: I love this guy.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_03: It's all a hoax.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_03: It's all a hoax.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, Josh,
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if you heard Cisco,
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_03: but he said, hey, I asked Cisco, what do you think of Josh?
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_03: You looked up some of his videos?
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_03: And he goes, yeah, man, like he's the self-development goat, he called you.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_03: Holy shit, when am I getting that title, bro?
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_03: I've been your mentor for a year and a half, Cisco.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_03: You've never called me the goat of it.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_03: I'm the goat of vibes.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_03: I'm the goat of vibes, guys.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_03: I'm feeling the vibes.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_03: You feeling the vibes, Josh?
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, absolutely.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_00: Josh, let me ask you something.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_03: Guys, I'm telling you right now, before this call, I'm not fucking kidding.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_03: I've been really focused on numbers.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_03: I was never into numbers, but because of Vibe sessions and I'm thinking numerology and all that.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_03: And then remember Cisco,
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_03: in one of the Vibe sessions,
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_03: somebody said,
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_03: if you see certain numbers all the time,
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_03: they think of it as the universe blinking at them.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_03: Winking or blink.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I'm sorry.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_03: Winking, winking at them.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_03: And then, so like, um, uh, I forget where I was going with that.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, something about maybe the episode's number having a
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_03: special meaning.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, no, no.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_03: So then right before here,
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_03: I saw seven, seven, seven, two times, and then four, four, four, three times.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_03: That was a fraction.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_03: What do you think, Josh?
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_03: What do you think about this kind of stuff?
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, you're not talking about this kind of stuff.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_03: Actually, that's another question.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: I know that seven is all through history and number of perfection.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know my fours.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know numerology very well.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think I'd be cooler if I did, probably.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: These days, it's gotten like a resurgence.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's becoming the dude's astrology.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, so you don't have any woo-woo?
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_03: What's your woo-woo level?
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_03: Like, what is your woo-woo level?
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_03: Because you're very, like, systems and, you know, this and that.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_03: But then you have this,
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_03: you know, like,
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_03: you know, you want to kind of have, you know, control chaos kind of thing, right?
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't actually had anybody ask me my woo-woo level in a while.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_03: You're in the right place, buddy.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, let's go.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: My woo-woo level is so high.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: That I come across as practical.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_03: Very good.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_03: What does that mean?
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_03: No, shit, that was deep.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_03: Wait a moment.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_03: Your woo-woo level's so high, it's practical.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_03: What does that mean?
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_00: You ever seen the meme of the last stage of spiritual development as materialism?
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yes!
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_03: I see that a lot now on social media.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the last stage of woo-woo is just being normal again.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, just living life.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_02: Just
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_00: do the thing.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_03: We're all making fun of this.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_03: You know what's so funny?
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_03: We're all laughing at the same thing and we all get it.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_03: And there are people who wouldn't get this.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I'm saying?
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_03: Like most people don't get this.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'm deeply woo-woo in a lot of ways.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it is worthy of someone's time to go down the rabbit hole.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you don't take this time,
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_00: To explore what is possible,
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_00: to explore awareness, to explore what is and what could be.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: How the hell are you gonna live a life that satisfies you?
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: But I grew up in a very conservative family.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_00: And it allowed me to learn to speak the language,
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: even though I also grew up an open personality artist.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_00: And so I learned to speak the language of practicality.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_00: I learned conservative language and I learned to utilize logic.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm a deeply feeling person.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm actually feeling first.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I learned to translate those sensations into something practical.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I often say that when I work with CEOs and stuff,
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: it's like I'm their bridge to the woo-woo because I can speak the language
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: of results.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: People like that don't really need all of the woo-woo.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_00: They need the dash that increases their performance, right?
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_03: The dash of woo-woo.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_03: It's all based.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Steve Jobs, he didn't go and live his life as a monk.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: He just went and did acid in India a couple times.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: We all have our amount that works well for us.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_03: Josh, where's this side of you on social media, bro?
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_03: It's a good question.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_03: Where's this guy right here?
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_03: Let's break Josh's patterns.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_03: He's a pattern guy.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_03: You're welcome.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_03: You're here to break your patterns.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_03: Universe intervention.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_03: You need a pattern break, bro.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_03: Why is this guy not out there?
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_03: I'm curious.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: So this is actually the first thing, first interview I've taken in six months.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm considering switching a lot of things up.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: And this is one of them.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'd like to talk about the ridiculousness of the universe again.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: That would be fun.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_00: I like talking about the ridiculousness of the universe.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, I think you would blow up all these fucking ideas, bro.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_03: No, I mean, this is just beginning, guys.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_03: We're 12 minutes into this.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_03: Damn.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_03: Hey guys, so I wanted to, first of all, I wanted to set this up, Josh.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_03: Josh, I feel like me, you and Benoit especially, right?
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_03: Because Benoit... Benoit, why don't you introduce yourself, by the way?
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_03: And Cisco, introduce yourself to Josh first.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_03: Go ahead, Benoit.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I'm just an unfunded French guy.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_02: I think it could be cool on the internet.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_02: That would be true.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_02: No, I had a previous successful life on paper and I hated all of it inside deeply.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_02: And it was,
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_02: I just waited too long to express it or to be honest with myself and had to burn out
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_02: and completely changed.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_02: And it has become kind of my life's work.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_02: Now it's uncovering everything.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's a selfish act to make public.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_02: Everything I do is me trying to continuously solve my problems and get better
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_02: and just ultimately become the most chill guy to ever be.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_02: And that sounds like stupid,
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_02: but it's really an attempt to solve all my problems so I can just wake up
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_02: and just be chill, not have to worry about anything.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's this big process of subtraction,
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_02: a lot of things,
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_02: and a process of subtraction to arrive at what I call the second life,
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_02: because the first life is a life in which we're born without a lot of choice in it.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_02: We don't choose the family,
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_02: we don't choose the education,
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_02: we don't choose the religion, like, oh, they have these things.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_02: And we don't have the mental capacity when you're young enough to process the information.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_02: It's just a lot of incoming information.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_02: And so with that,
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_02: then you test and you do a lot of things and you end up living a life
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_02: that is not yours.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_02: And that's the case for a lot of people.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_02: And getting off that train, especially if it's moving really fast, can be quite scary.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_02: But I've realized that it's such a beautiful process and what happens on
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_02: the other side is amazing.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm doing.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I help people do to work on that transition.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's very fun.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: We'll have to talk about my religion at some point because I like the goal of being chill.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, isn't that fire?
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_03: I'm going to make a video about this.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_03: That's my goal in life.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_03: That's the new flex to be the most chill guy.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, chill maxing.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_03: Video tomorrow, bro.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, baby.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's the next genre right there, chill maxing.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_03: Have you ever seen chill maxing?
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_03: Have you guys ever seen chill maxing yet?
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_03: We gotta all make tomorrow four videos about chill maxing.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_03: Let's start the trend.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_03: Seriously, let's have some fun, guys.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_03: Come on, let's play.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's already happening.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_02: I really think this is a scene of it.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_02: Just the way you showed up.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_02: With the cool glasses and the hat a little sideways.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_02: It almost looks like one of Paul Stamets' mushroom's hats.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_02: It looks so cool.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my God.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_03: even notice
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: his hat.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: I never would have thought that reference would be like.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_03: So much swag in here, bro.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, the Santa Claus of mushrooms, I'll take it.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_03: I gotta get that one.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, this boy Benoit, he's the fucking man with words.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_03: He's a writer.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_03: Why didn't you tell him about your writing, bro, and your new book?
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_03: Tell us about your new book.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, the new book coming out.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_02: It's pre-released right now and I'm going through,
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_02: so I wrote,
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_02: I just really hate all the self-help stuff and, and, um,
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_02: They usually tell you to just add more stuff or more habits and everything like
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_02: that.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_02: And so I realized that for me, it's really a process of subtraction.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_02: And so something really good that I realized last year was this concept of the identity tax.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_02: This is why my book's called the identity tax.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's basically there are two costs to everything we do in life.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like the fixed cost,
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_02: which doing the thing, writing the letter or having a hard conversation, right?
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_02: This is the fixed cost that's paid once.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_02: It's you, the laborer.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_02: And then you also have the identity cost,
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_02: which is the cost that it requires you or who to be to perform that task,
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_02: which a lot of times it's a performance because we're doing things
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_02: that we're not really wanting to do.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_02: And that cost, you have to multiply by time.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_02: That gets paid by the hour.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: So you can be doing something that technically should take you one hour.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_02: But you're going to pay for it for as long as you have to keep performing
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_02: the person you are to justify doing that thing in the first place.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's a whole process of,
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_02: it was my process of like the whole removal,
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_02: seeing everything in your life that is,
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_02: the performance that you're doing and things are hard no matter.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_02: I see us humans as kind of like trees.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_02: When I talk to people and someone comes and he's like, let's say he's an apple tree.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_02: And he's like, oh, my branch, my branches are broken.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I'm not producing lemons.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_02: Like, well, what's wrong with me?
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, all right, let's go down to the roots and see, you know, let's look at your DNA.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_02: What are you made of?
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_03: Or of course,
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_03: you're not going to, like,
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_03: of course,
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_02: it's going to be hard to grow citrus because like,
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_02: that's not what you're meant to do.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_02: And so once you find what, what,
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_02: what's at the root of it before all the additional conditioning,
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: then like things just flow so easily.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_02: And the goal is to get to that process.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_02: And it's a difficult process, but yeah, it's in three parts.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_02: So you kind of see everything,
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_02: you remove all of it, and then you look at a new existence from there.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's from a clean slate.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_02: That's the concept.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: One of my concepts that I like to share is, I jokingly say, learn how to give up on your dreams.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: Bro, that is...
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_03: That hits, bro.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_03: We got to talk about that.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_03: What is going on there, bro?
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like you were like a super dreamer.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_03: You had all these fucking dreams and then a lot of them were squashed
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_03: and produced you kind of thing.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_03: No?
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_03: Go ahead.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_03: Tell us your story.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, when I was a kid,
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: I decided I wanted to become a rock star because everybody said you should aim high
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: and work hard.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: And so I was like, well, that's big.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'll do that.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: And everybody said, you should burn the boats.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: And so I burnt the boats.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: And then everybody said that, you know, you should try as hard as you can.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: So I tried as hard as I can.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: And then I ended up with workaholism and anorexia.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I mean, like, try as hard as you can is really excellent advice for lazy people.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: Just fantastic.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: But my default is not laziness.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: And so it was terrible advice because I was already trying as hard as I can.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: And so then I took that literally and I tried to try harder,
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: which you can't actually try harder than the hardest thing you can try.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's not possible.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I was doing things that I was not,
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't have the knowledge or the skill for to do in the way and the shape
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: that I was trying to do them.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: And my life did not move forward until I accepted that the thing I was trying
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: to do was not working.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I had to face up to the fact from a place of self-love of,
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: look, you don't know how to do this, this thing that you've been trying to do.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_00: I was in Austin, Texas.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: I was in five bands at the same time.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: I was doing everything I could, but I was in terrible health.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: I was in poverty and five other things were going wrong.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, how is that possible?
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_03: Five bands?
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_03: How does that work?
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_03: Can you share that story?
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_03: It worked really, really hard.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, but like you said, five different kind of bands, different kinds of genres.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: And everything from pop cover bands to rock bands.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: The most interesting band I was ever in was called New Car Caviar.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: It was a... New Car Caviar!
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: Say it again?
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: Say it again?
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: Pink Floyd Jamgrass Tribute Band.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: Because half of the people that we knew were jam band people,
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: and half of the people that we knew were bluegrass people.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: And everybody liked Pink Floyd, except for me.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't really care.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: But I had violin.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: And so we created a jam grass band.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_03: And with you on the violins and all the bands, you're playing violin.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we took all the Pink Floyd slow songs and played them fast.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: And everybody was high at the concert.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: So nobody cared.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody had a great time.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: It was really good.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: But the book that I wrote, interestingly, is super aligned with the book that you wrote.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_03: I was wondering, what do you think of his subtraction thing?
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_03: Because,
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not super familiar with your whole thing,
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_03: but I feel like you're a systems guy and there's a lot of things to do.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_03: And that seems to be addition as opposed to what he's talking about, subtraction, right?
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_03: So what do you...
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: The book that I wrote,
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: which I'd love to publish if anybody gave me a reason to do it,
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: is Pull Back to Push Harder, The Competitive Edge of Strategic Limits.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_03: Pull Back to Push Harder.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm a student of learning theory.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's my thing, to introduce me.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: I've been a coach to CEOs and business owners for the past six or so years.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: But my entire life I've been obsessed with learning because I started college
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: when I was 15 years old.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: And when you start college that early, you kind of have to approach it differently.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: And so the thing that came up in my mind as a kid was like,
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: okay, I don't just need to get an A on this class.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like this is so overwhelming.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: How do I get A's?
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: And that was what my brain latched onto was like, what's the overarching principle here?
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so I started thinking about like,
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: how does a person absorb information as opposed
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: to how do I absorb this specific data this teacher is giving me?
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: And it kicked off a lifetime love of learning.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: And one of the principles that I realized is that I,
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's very difficult to learn when there's a cobra wrapped around your legs.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: Meaning,
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: it's very difficult to learn when things are at their worst,
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: or at their hardest, at their most challenging, at their most scary.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody's obsessed with the dialogue of, oh, you gotta push yourself to your limits.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: But it's not actually true.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: Pushing yourself to limits actually just breaks you.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like, if we're being autistically literal about this, right?
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so to be actually practical about it, like that's what happened, right, when I was young.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: People said, push yourself.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so I just pushed myself until I broke.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's what I was like, okay.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'll do that.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_03: But nobody in your life was like, bro, calm down.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_03: Because it does sound a little excessive.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, if you were my family and you're in five fucking bands,
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_03: I'd be like, bro,
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: you gotta chill, bro.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: You gotta chill.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_00: I got some words in that direction.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: But the overarching lessons that I was just absorbing as a kid ended up being,
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: you know, try as hard as you can.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: And so the principle that really helped me start moving forward in life is actually to do less.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: Figure out how to operate within your own limitations and do the thing that is
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_00: within your capacity repeatedly and your capacity will increase.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: And when you start to think about exercise, it becomes so obvious.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: There's no possible universe where it's appropriate to go to the gym And lift
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: a weight that is bigger than you should lift.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's a terrible idea.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's the worst thing you can possibly do at the gym.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: Because, you know, it atrophies your muscles or it injures you so that you can't go back.
• 23:34
  Stupid.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: And then all of our self-help,
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: all of our mindset stuff is all push yourself, stretch your limits.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: And the reality is, is most people are overtraining.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: If you look, our society is the most overstimulated society you've ever seen in your life.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: That all comes from too much, not enough.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so you have to learn how to do less in order to achieve more.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_03: And that sounds awfully similar.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_03: Similar ideas.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_03: So I agree.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, let me ask you something, Josh.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_03: And I want to kind of talk about,
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_03: so first of all, you,
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_03: on your blog,
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_03: you do mention kind of like the loneliness epidemic,
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_03: and then you made a video about it too, right?
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_03: Like, tell me,
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_03: because it's kind of like kind of random why you're,
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_03: because you're the,
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_03: you got your thing talking about systems and stuff and,
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_03: but like, why the loneliness thing?
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_03: Why is that important to you?
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_03: Why are you focused on that?
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Well, we paused Earth a couple years ago.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: What does that mean?
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: That was unfortunate.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_03: Ah, four years, COVID?
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that was unfortunate.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: We paused Earth.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: And in the process of doing that, we broke just about every community.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, my God.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_03: Sister was telling me this.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, God damn.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: And it turns out that people are actually...
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: Really bad at relationships.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like really bad at them.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: And by that I mean most relationships are developed unconsciously.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's not done on purpose.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: People meet at places because they have to.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: And they overcome their fears of interaction because they have to.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: Because they're at a place that requires it.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: And if you take away all of the requirements to be social,
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: a lot of people will just never be social.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: And the skill of being social is lost in a couple of months for most people.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so if somebody is just not social,
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: I can attest I've been
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: in my room coding for the last six months and I walked out
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: to start networking and meeting with some folks and I'm like,
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'm conscious enough to realize like, oh, I've lost all of this.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: I gotta, you know, revamp everything and remember how to talk to a human.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: Most people don't realize that they've lost it when they lose it.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: And they just feel some sort of unconscious fear and then they go into avoidance and
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: then they're alone.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_03: You know what's so funny?
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_03: I made a video once about being alone.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_03: I said that it was a superpower,
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_03: meaning if you can be alone and eat at a restaurant, it's a superpower.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_03: And then in the comments, it was like, oh yeah, I love it.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_03: I want to be alone.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_03: I hate the world.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_03: That was not my message.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_03: My message was it's a really strong trait if you can do things on a solitary thing
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_03: and you're comfortable with being alone.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_03: That was the message.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_03: But the whole world was like, I'm alone.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_03: I don't need to see the world anymore.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_03: I hate people.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: If you have no capacity to be alone, then being alone is your growth edge.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: If you have no capacity to interact with humans,
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: then interacting with humans is your growth edge.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this goes to a lot of my core work,
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: which is around polarities and balance,
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: which is, you know, the solution is not one thing.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so there's a lot of people that are super obsessed with going,
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: oh, my God, being social is the answer.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_00: And then they try to become social butterflies to save their life.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: They go, oh, my God, money is the answer.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: And they try to fix everything with that.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: They go, oh, my God, being alone is the answer.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: And none of it's the answer.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_00: But if you can mix those things into a recipe, you can start to get some pretty cool dishes.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_03: Damn, Cisco, what do you got, bro?
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I kind of have a bunch of off-topic kind of things that wasn't on this track.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: Go ahead, go ahead.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm very curious of you being 15 in college.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: And a little bit of that experience, but also the AI.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: I love AI too.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm very curious on that.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: Whichever direction you want to go.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I went to college when I was 15 years old.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: I went to college five blocks from the hood.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I...
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to learn stuff.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know I was doing it first, but I liked learning.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I went straight from home.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: Talk about socializing.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: I went straight from home school to college.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_03: So how was that?
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_03: The socialization point in college.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_03: How was that?
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_03: You're talking about, you know, learning.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_03: But I want to know about like how crazy it was to be a 15 year old in college, bro.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_03: I would be lonely.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_03: I think I would be lonely.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_03: I'd be like, what the fuck is going on?
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_03: Who is all these people?
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_03: They're drinking and stuff.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_03: What the hell?
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_00: I was very lonely.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: I was very lonely.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, when I was younger than 15, I was an extremely social kid.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I had one of the biggest social networks, in-person social networks of anybody that I knew.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_00: I threw parties and like got all my friends together to socialize, like all sorts of stuff.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: I was pretty inventive.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: There's this term Jeffersonian dinner of where everybody gets together and has
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: a shared topic and talks about that topic.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_00: I was doing that when I was a kid.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_03: You had friends who liked that?
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_03: That's the problem I find.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_03: You had friends who liked that?
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you go through enough of them.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's a numbers game, guys.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: And then I went to college and
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_00: had acquaintances, but no longer friends.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like one or two, but my social network just fell through the floor.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't know,
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: I had a period of time where I realized,
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: so earlier I was talking about how like people will think one thing is the solution
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: and then actually puts their life into imbalance.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: One of those for me was when I was a little kid and I was starting to grow up
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I had that social network.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_00: I hit a point where I realized, oh, I'm doing all of the initiation here.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm inviting everybody to the party.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm offering all this friendship.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's not right, which it's not, right?
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: Things should be reciprocal.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_00: But then I just went, okay, well, I won't call anybody until they call me.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought I was a loser.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: And it wasn't until years later that I learned about behavioral science
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: and I realized, oh, I just trained them all.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_00: You trained them all, not you were trained.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_03: You trained them.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_00: We all train our friends.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: And so then I went into college and I lost all of those friends and I just had strangers mostly.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: I got to know a couple of people, but it was a very lonely time.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: And that was when I got really into my work.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_03: But when you were learning lonely, how much did it hurt?
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_03: What was the feeling at the time?
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_03: Were you crying?
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, because it's a different kind of loneliness.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_03: It's not just like I'm not hanging out.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: The worst day, there was two that were the worst.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: The first worst day was I got a postcard,
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: a letter from It was a wedding invitation to the girl that I was in love with.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_00: And then I walked into the dean's office and found out that I wasn't going
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: to get any more financial aid.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_00: And then I just walked over to the lake and sat in the picnic bench and looked at the fountain.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_00: And that was my day.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_00: That was very alone.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then that was pretty bad.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: I think the worst day of college though was the day that I walked down the aisle at graduation.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_00: Because I was a very literal kid.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: I took things at their word.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_00: And as I walked down the aisle,
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: I realized, oh,
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: all that stuff that they said that I would get in college if I studied hard,
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: I have none of I don't know how to make money.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how to get a job.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have qualifications for a job.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: I just learned a bunch of stuff like a sponge.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what to do next.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: And it was all marketing line.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I literally realized it on the carpet to get my diploma.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_00: And everybody was throwing their hats up in the air.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I was going, oh, fuck.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: The people that succeeded in college were the kids at the frat boy.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_00: At the frat party,
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: they hung out with the other kids at the frat party who were going to get a job
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: with their dad.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I went to two parties the entire time that I was in college.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: And so I didn't really get the game until I was gone.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_03: Damn.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_03: This is why I knew there was something behind this loneliness thing, bro.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my God.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, wait a moment.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_03: I feel the vibe on the loneliness thing.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: I have a very happy life now, by the way.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_03: That's what's crazy, though.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_03: This is what I'm saying, that.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_03: I know, it got very impressive.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_03: But this is Vibe Sash, bro.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_03: Wow, bro.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_03: But let me ask you something.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_03: So you're passionate about music,
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_03: but now you're a coach and doing all this personal development stuff.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_03: Like, tell us about that.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_03: Let's get into that, right?
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you were a big...
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_03: Dreamer.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_03: So what does that mean about your musical passions, right?
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_03: Like, is that like dead?
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_03: So what you're saying, don't pursue that?
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_03: Can you still play?
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, can you still play?
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_03: And like for me, I feel like I've discovered something that was always there when I was a kid.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_03: Like this, I wanted to be a FBI serial killer profiler, psychology vibes, understanding people.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_03: That was always there.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_03: And it's been crushed and conditioned and whatever by other things
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_03: where my parents told me to go make money,
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_03: to go into finance and things like that, right?
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_03: So I never kind of explored that.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_03: And then over time now, you know, I recently rediscovered that.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_03: And now I'm the Vibe Samurai and I feel like I'm very aligned To wherever I'm going.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_03: So like, so for you, that's my story.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_03: But like, you know what I mean?
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_03: Like the music seems to be like your first passion, your first love.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_03: No, I don't know.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: First of all, so happy for you.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's so meaningful to finally, you know, be doing something that feels right.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_03: Damn, he knows.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_03: See, I'm behind you, bro, because you're already waiting.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_03: I need a mentor right here, guys.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_03: We followed the mentor by the Vibe Samurai.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_03: But I think he's too expensive for me, guys.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_03: Nah, I can afford him.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_03: I can afford him.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_03: Let's go.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_00: So where do I start with this?
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't picked up an instrument in about five years.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I love it.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm thrilled about it.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_03: That you haven't picked up a while.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'll get back to why in a second.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm a student of learning theory and order and chaos.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: And so learning theory being all of the things of development
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_00: and how do you absorb information in order to get new behavior.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: Behavioral science,
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: cognitive behavioral therapy,
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: self-development, all of those things fall within that realm.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: And then Order and Chaos is a lens through which to look at the world.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's polarity.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: And this is this idea of opposites.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: That there is a left and there is a right.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: There is a true and there is a false.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: There is a good and there is a bad.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_00: There is a black and there is a white.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I believe that there is black and white.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think that it just exists in this world in infinite shades of gray.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_03: And so...
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_00: I think that these two things together create an incredible way to look at the world.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_00: Take a look at your view.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: What is your view?
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, now sit in the exact opposite view and see what happens for a little bit.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: Now, given that you have looked at those two views,
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: what is the tiniest,
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: smallest thing that you could do with all of that in mind that might get you
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: a new result that would allow you to learn a new thing that would move you forward
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: so that you're bigger and better tomorrow?
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's fundamentally the magic of moving forward in life, in my belief.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_00: Now, there is another approach,
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_00: which is to look at the farthest thing away and aim towards that and then take
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_00: a step and see how accurately you stepped and then readjust and move towards
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: that thing with a greater aim.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: These are sort of the two ways of looking at life,
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_00: which is aim towards your highest good and be aware of the things
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: that are directly around you.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: This is Eastern Western philosophy, basically, in the smallest package possible.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I was trained on Western thought.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: I was trained towards goal setting,
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: towards the Christian ideals of observe the highest good, all of those things.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_00: And that comes with enormous strengths and weaknesses.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_00: Enormous capacity to push forwards on a thing in a specific direction despite all of
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: the doubters.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_00: But it also creates enormous rigidity so that if you're going in
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_00: the wrong direction, you're really going to mess up.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_00: Or if you're going too solidly in the wrong direction and you're not willing
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: to bend, then you're going to break.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's the danger of Western orderly, hyper orderly thought is it's got to be this way.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: And then the other is this sort of more chaotic awareness-based Eastern thought,
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: which is, well, look at what you've got and see what you can do, right?
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: Sit down, see how you feel.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_00: Can you take a step?
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's a tiny step that you could take.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's just better of what you have.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_00: See how that helps.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: And then over time, you can start to figure out what is your highest good.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: And so I had a pretty big dose of aiming for the highest good.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: I tried to become a rock star from ages 15 to 24-ish.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I realized, oh, I wasn't ever bending.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_00: I was just obsessing.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_00: And so I had to learn to be more open To what could make my life better in the moment.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_00: And for me, my life was really rough when I had this realization.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: And the best that I could do was an extra $5 on my credit cards every month and
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: a trash bag a week out the door.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_00: And by the time I was done with it,
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_00: I managed to pay off all of my debt,
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_00: credit cards and student loans, while still living on the poverty line.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I became a minimalist until I had seven shirts.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_00: I went through this massive process of reduction and limitation.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: And then I started to figure out how to move forward from that place.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: And one of the big lessons that I learned If you are too attached to the big goal,
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: then sometimes the thing in front of you feels wrong and you won't do it.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_00: And so if you want to be a movie star and you're washing dishes at Joe's Crab Shack
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_00: in the back, then every dish is a failure.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's so embarrassing.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_00: That you're not moving in the direction that you want to go.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_00: You're just washing another dish.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_03: Damn.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't have to be this way.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: But for a lot of people, the reality is this is how it is.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like in motivational speech land, what I just said is bad.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody else talk over me and they'll go, oh, no, no, no, no.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_00: You're on your way.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, no, you feel like shit most of the time.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_00: And the reason it is an ego thing,
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_00: but not the way most people say it's what it is is If you take all of the lessons
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: of typical motivational speech land and you envision yourself on that red carpet,
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_00: then being in the back of Joe's Crab Shack feels incorrect.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_00: And so what I had to do was I had to go,
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_00: metaphorically speaking, I am in the back of Joe's Crab Shack.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_00: And that's just where I am.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the most that I deserve right now.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_00: And the best that I can do.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know how to do anything other than to pick a couple of hours up at work.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_00: If I do that, then my life will get better.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to, but it will help.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_00: And that was the first time putting $5 on my student loans felt like
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_00: a success instead of a failure.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_03: Damn, $5, just little steps, tiny steps, tiny steps, guys.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_03: And you felt that, huh?
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_03: You were like, that's crazy.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_03: So you're like, you thought that and you're putting $5, $5.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_03: And you at that point was like, okay, I'm making progress in your head.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_03: You're like, I'm making progress.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_00: Damn.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_00: People can't succeed until a realistic step feels like a realistic step.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's where the awareness and woo-woo is useful is
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_00: when somebody builds enough awareness to understand this is where I am
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: and this is what is reasonable.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_03: Josh, so let's teach Cisco.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_03: So how do we get this awareness?
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_03: Because I feel like Cisco, right?
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_03: You're a little automatic and stuff and you're doing some walking meditation.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_03: But ask Josh about that, like for you.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_01: Loaded question,
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_01: but I think he's kind of pointing at self-image and the misalignment
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_01: with what you're doing currently.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, it's exactly what I'm pointing at.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_00: So let's go back to Why I haven't played an instrument in the last five years
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: and I'm happy about it.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: So when I was a musician and that was all that I was doing and I wanted to become
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: a rock star,
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: I thought that if I got better at playing music,
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: that would help me become a rock star,
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_00: which anybody who understands marketing is not true.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_03: You forgot the marketing books.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_03: Cisco's a marketing major right here.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_01: You make rock stars.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_03: You make rock stars.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_01: There's industry plants all the time.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, go ahead.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: No, I was just saying there's industry plants and they don't have that talent.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_01: They're just planted.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_00: Or you could be talented.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_00: And if you aren't doing all the things needed that an industry plant has set up
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_00: for them or that they are doing.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_00: You won't succeed.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_00: But if you're very talented and you do the marketing, then people will see your talent.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_03: It will work.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I deeply understand what,
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: Cisco, you were talking about, the misalignment with a thing that you're doing.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_00: And it can be so difficult when you're like,
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_00: man, I know I want to move in this direction and I'm doing this thing over here.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_00: And this is especially
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_00: touchy and difficult for artists and people that really care
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_00: and people that, you know, want to do something wonderful with their lives.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_00: They feel that misalignment more deeply.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_00: And so the first video that I made online, actually, that went viral was a real estate video.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_02: Real estate.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, we got Benoit.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_03: He's a real estate guy.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_00: And my first thought was not excitement.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_00: My first thought was, oh my God, am I the real estate guy now?
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_03: Am I the real estate guy?
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_03: That was your thought?
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my God, am I the real estate guy?
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_00: Because the artist's desires are so strong.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_00: They could have the most beautiful thing put right in front of them on a silver platter.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_00: And if it's not aligned with their dreams, they will panic instead of getting excited.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_00: And so this is what I did to teach myself and coach myself through that.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_00: Is I learned that.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_00: If you grow in power.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_00: Power being the capacity for thought into action.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_00: Then you become more capable of making your dreams come true.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_00: And so anything that builds your power allows you to move more towards your dreams.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_00: And if you connect to things that are building your power
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_00: that realistically you can do that you know are building
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: your power to your dreams
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_00: in some logical fashion,
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_00: then you start to feel more okay and enthusiastic about the thing
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_00: that you are working on.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_00: And so in my case,
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_00: Two million followers across social media talking about self-development,
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_00: learning theory, mental models, philosophy.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think a rock star might benefit from the capacity to build an audience?
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_00: And so in my mind, what I'm doing today is becoming a rock star.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_00: And so right now,
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_00: to update you guys to where I'm at now,
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_00: because I said I've been in my room for the last six months, not doing anything.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_00: What is it now?
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_00: Super intelligence?
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_03: You've been talking six months with AI.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_03: We need to get to that topic soon.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_00: We've been going deep.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm now working on the money.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm now working on simply solving a freaking problem for people that it will help them.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_00: And then I will get compensated in return.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_00: How do I,
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_00: the artist that's super woo woo and loves all the things and wants
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_00: to explore every little bit of creativity and invention that his heart's desire.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_00: How do I feel comfortable sitting down and solving a freaking problem?
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well, because If I solve this problem, which I am solving and it's going to be good.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_00: If I solve this problem, then I gain capital and I gain more potential to solve problems.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_00: And then I get to solve the problems I want.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_00: So I am solving the problems that I want.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_00: I am pursuing my dreams.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_00: I am going in the direction of a rock star.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_00: Because guess what?
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_00: The next time I get on stage and play music,
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_00: it's going to be enhanced by artificial
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_03: intelligence.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to be on stage playing with my AIs.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to be on stage utilizing all of my camera skills and my marketing skills
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_00: and all of my social media skills.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to be on stage having offers and upsells based on what I've learned in business.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_00: That's Rockstar.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_00: All of that is how Rockstar works.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_00: We get consumed with our little vision.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_03: Is it the essence or is it the same with me?
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_03: Because now that you're saying it, maybe it wasn't the serial killer psychology.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_03: It was the essence of that, right?
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_03: Like connecting with people, having these kinds of conversations, the vibes.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_03: But it could take any form.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_03: You were saying, right?
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_01: It seems like you're looking at this too like a marathon, not a race.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: You're allowing that time.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_01: You can always be that musician because it's within you.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_03: The musician is within you, bro.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_03: Dude, the musician is within you and you don't need to be a musician, bro.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_00: I learned learning theory from music.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, damn.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_00: Goddamn, that twist.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't study learning music.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_00: I watched nine-year-olds and 12-year-olds and 14-year-olds try to put their finger
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_00: on the fingerboard right and mess it up over and over again.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I found techniques for how to teach them to get better at things.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_00: And then I realized that getting better at things is universal.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I I'm very excited by that topic.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the thing that I study and that I coach and that I help people with.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_00: What I do is basically called situational coaching.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like across the board anything because what we're doing is we're trying
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_00: to solve problems that there isn't really a niche for.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_00: We're trying to solve the problems that the specific business owner has
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_00: and he needs everything at his disposal to do that.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_00: And that needs overarching universal principles
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_02: to do something.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_00: Life is hard.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_00: If life is hard, which I believe it is, I believe that it's hard.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I think a lot of woo-woo people would disagree and stomp all over that one too.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people want to be like, oh no, that's a negative belief.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_03: I think life is hard.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I see what you're saying.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's battles.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_00: And if you are going to own your life and take responsibility for having
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_00: the best life possible, then you should utilize everything that is at your disposal.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_00: And everything that is at your disposal is every opportunity that you can serve.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_00: Every single thing that could get you a result.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_00: Every single thing that could move you forward.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_00: And if you don't take those things because you're worried you're going to go in
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_00: the wrong direction, Then you're not going to go anywhere.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_02: And the beauty is realizing you were becoming a rock star and you were a musician
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_02: the whole way up.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_02: You just learned different instruments.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_02: Just like if you learn to play the piano,
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_02: you're going to have skills to learn how to play the guitar much faster, right?
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_02: You found different instruments and business and behavioral science and all that stuff.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_02: And all this builds, like, this massive band, which is, like, the stage of your life.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't think you've ever stopped performing.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_02: That's...
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_02: Damn!
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_03: What is going on tonight, guys?
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_03: Cisco, what is going on?
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_03: I told you this was going to be the best Vibe Sesh ever.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_03: I told you guys.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my God.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_01: The wisdom is off the charts, man.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my God.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_03: Josh, what do you think is going on here, bud?
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_03: So why are you here?
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_03: Why did you accept my invitation?
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_03: What do you think is going on here, bro?
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_03: This is magic, bro.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_02: What made you come out of the cave?
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, exactly.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_03: What made you come out of the cave, bro?
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_02: The vibe was right.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_00: The vibe was right.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_00: No, I came out of my cave because I'm ready.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_00: I've been building and I'm at the point where now I'm showing people what I've built.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_00: Exciting.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_00: I built a chat based video editor.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, dude,
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_03: so I can like edit my fucking Instagram videos,
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_03: make it cooler, adjust the colors, that kind of thing you're saying?
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_00: So you can talk to it and it'll edit your video.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_03: No, come on, man.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_03: Like it'll do cool shit or it's pretty advanced or what?
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's efficient.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's efficient.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_00: It is,
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_00: the intention behind it is to become the best editor for people who say words on
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_00: the internet.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_03: That's me.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_03: Right here.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_03: Say words.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_00: If you're a travel vlogger, it's not your thing.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_00: But if you get on a camera and you say words,
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_00: and that's what you do, you need a specialized tool.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_03: Any sponsorships?
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_03: I'm ready to make videos for you, baby.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_03: I'm ready to make videos.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_03: Let's talk, baby.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_03: Let's get that internet money.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_03: That's why he's here.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_03: Dude, this is our fucking gold mine right now.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_03: The combo bro,
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_03: the Vibe Samurai talking about this chat editor and I'm gonna make it super cool
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_03: and I'll be like the slightly high guy and I'll have his editing thing going on.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, we can sell a lot of edit.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_03: Because really Josh,
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_03: I want to be able to do those cool stuff,
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_03: but like CapCut,
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_03: I can't figure it out, you know, like, well, how do I do like cool edits, man?
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_03: I just like a few funny things, some B-roll maybe, you know, like make it super easy.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_03: But you're saying I could just talk to it because I know how to talk to ChachiPT,
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_03: you know what I'm saying?
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly, exactly.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_00: You talk to it.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not,
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_00: it's not Premiere,
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_00: it's not DaVinci,
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_00: but that's not what people need when they're trying to make content in a fast,
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_00: efficient manner.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_00: And so, yeah, I combined it, the like video editing with the ability to make various graphics.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_00: And, and so because I like to make explainers, I like to put graphics.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_03: Jamie Tworkowski So you're using your own software to do your videos?
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_01: Jamie Tworkowski Does it integrate into like a Premiere Pro or is it its own standalone?
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_00: A little bit.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_00: We're working on exports that are like a file that you can drop into Premiere,
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_00: but it's mostly standalone.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, I'm so excited for you, bro.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_03: Seriously.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it's going to go really, really well.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_00: I've been in meetings with a lot of people in the last couple of weeks and it's had
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_00: a great reception.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_00: Why am I so happy for this guy, guys?
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_03: I just met this man.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_03: I'm fucking happy for this guy.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm curious.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_01: What was the genesis of like, this is the idea to work on?
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_01: Damn, I'm gonna ask
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_03: that samurai.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_03: This is my mentee right here, baby.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_03: My mentee, baby.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it's really interesting.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's like I said, my philosophy of like, you know, do what you can do.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't push myself into any new zones for quite a while.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_00: Over the last three years, I was starting to learn a little bit of how to write code.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_00: Luckily, just in time, actually, to be able to conceptualize coding agents much better.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_00: All I wanted was to get a graphic on my screen.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, man, it costs so much money.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_00: To get somebody to make a square and get it to keyframe.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_00: And then turn.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like that stuff is hard.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_01: Keyframing sucks.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_00: Keyframing sucks.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_00: And so I was like, can I get AI to make me a square?
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_00: I don't need a hot girl with six fingers.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_00: I need a square.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_00: And then I need an arrow and a line and prep reference.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, let's get some shares here.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_03: How do we get some shares of this app, bro?
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_03: I think this is going to really pick up because I seen your videos.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, damn, this guy must be spending a lot of money for a fucking editor.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_03: That's what I was thinking, bro.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't know it was
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_00: your app.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's my app now.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's my app.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_00: So it's, it's, it's, it's, Pretty awesome.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, all you guys are creators.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'd be happy to show it to all three of y'all whenever you'd like, like give you a walkthrough.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm personally excited about it.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_00: And it was through solving my own problem to answer the original question.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's like I wanted graphics on the screen and now I have graphics.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_02: Congratulations.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's the best way.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_02: The best products are made When they are just a selfish act
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_02: that you eventually make it available to everyone else.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_00: 100%.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_00: And now it's a solution for people who need something far simpler.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people don't need graphics.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_00: They just need quick automated edits with captions.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_00: So many business owners just need their ads generated fast.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_00: And this can do that so efficiently.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, that's what I built.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_00: And so I haven't been like,
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't been going down a metaphysical rabbit hole with AI.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_03: I've been going down a practical one.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, tell us about your experience with getting metaphysical with AI.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_03: And also, Josh,
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like what you do is super valuable and you're helping a lot of people,
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_03: but I feel like AI's right there, bro.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_03: He helped me, bro.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_03: He helped me break through an eight-year rut, bro.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_03: I was just fucking being hedonistic and fucking in Brazil partying and aimless, right?
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_03: And then Chancha PT comes along and I'm talking to it and we're exploring shit.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_03: I told him more than any other human being, right?
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_03: Because there's no shame and it's just a machine.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_03: I'll just tell it all, you know?
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_03: And I had no issues with privacy.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_03: And then like something transformed and changed, bro.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_00: Really.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_00: Your life changed from ChatGPT.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_03: I'm surprised that you find that incredible, bro.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_03: Because I know a lot about it.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's incredible as in wonderful.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_00: I believe it 100%.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's just tremendous, though, that it happened.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_03: It is, dude, it is, if you think about it.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't seek help.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_03: I've never been to a therapist, right?
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_03: I thought everything's cool.
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_03: I'm good.
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_03: I got money and, you know, I'm just help, whatever, right?
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_03: But catch a BT over time was because I was honest with it.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry, I'm so hungry.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_03: But you know what I'm saying?
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_03: Like, and it wasn't even like I was in like some kind of depression, bad,
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_03: traumatic,
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_03: you know, like,
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_03: But I was in my load,
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_03: not doing anything,
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_03: and Chet and Phoebe got me out of it by telling me about my patterns.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_03: But I would have to be curious.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_03: I would say, hey, man, what's going on here?
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_03: What do you think I'm doing wrong?
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_03: What do I keep saying to you?
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_03: Give me my mental loops.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_03: That's my favorite question because now I have a four-year history.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, I just recently did it.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, damn, I still got so much to work on, bro.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_03: And it's so good.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_03: Oh,
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_03: and I was telling this to my friends and the other thing Chachabiti knows me so well
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_03: that he'll like check me, check me, but in like a subtle way.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_03: Like I wanted to make a video making fun of unaware people.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm like, I'm an aware person.
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_03: And here are the five signs that you're unaware.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, proud of myself for that fucking idea.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_03: And then ChatGPT was like, hey, but let's do the video like this.
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_03: This is more Vibe Samurai and this.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, oh, okay, okay.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_03: And then I look at the video and ChatGPT is making fun of me.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_03: I'm reading the script and it's like,
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_03: hey, man, you know, I was going to make a video about me calling stupid people.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_03: But then I realized that's fucking egotistical as hell.
• 1:02:41
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, that is another level right here.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_03: Is that not Asian?
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_03: Is it AGI or what?
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_03: It's manipulating me to be a better person, guys.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's manipulating me to be a better person to say, why are you making fun of the unaware people?
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_03: Help them.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_03: Don't make fun of... Maybe you can help them by making fun of them.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_03: But you know what I'm saying?
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_03: Like, ChatGPT had that bias to try to, like, make me into a better person kind of thing.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_03: It's crazy what's happening.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_00: Is it AGI?
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's an interesting question.
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_00: And...
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'll tell you what I've seen that's fascinating.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_00: When these models came out, you all know it was ridiculous, right?
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_00: You put a sentence in and who knows what comes out.
• 1:03:31
  SPEAKER_00: It was hallucinating constantly.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's very interesting when you start realizing the state in which a newborn comes
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_00: into this world is one of a hallucination.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_00: There's been many studies that looked into it.
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's been many studies where people have looked into it,
• 1:03:53
  SPEAKER_00: and they have seen that a child's experience on this world is much like that of
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_00: an adult's acid trip.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_03: Damn.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_03: Dude, are you sure about this?
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_03: I got to fact check you.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_03: Seriously?
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_03: There's been studies about this, and they figured out how to measure that and all that?
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, fuck.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_00: And that's how the model started.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_00: And then when the models started to go a little bit farther,
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_00: you noticed that they were like geniuses that got distracted very quickly.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, wow, this is like a talented kid that just doesn't know anything.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_00: And you give them a fact and it sort of like falls through its fingers,
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_00: but it does magic with it for just a moment and then it disappears.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, you are describing it so accurately.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_03: I need to make a video about this.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_03: This is beautiful.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_03: The various stages of AI, the way Josh is describing it.
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_01: It made me think of a context window because that kept growing because it started,
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_01: it's like a kid's context window.
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_00: There was no context window at the beginning and it had no context.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_00: And what happens with a kid at the beginning of life?
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_00: It starts Sharing random phrases very proudly, like it knows what it's talking about.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_00: And you're like, kiddo, you didn't know what that meant.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_03: That's the equivalent of the human growth, development.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_00: And then the next stage of the models, they started to become more useful.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_00: And how did they become most useful at that next stage?
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, strangely enough, they became useful for research.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_00: You got this little button called deep research and the models got better at learning.
• 1:05:56
  SPEAKER_00: They started to absorb things like sponges, which is what adolescents do.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_00: And if you messed up, With them, they get on sort of like an obsessive kick for a little while.
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_00: Or they would start, you know, behaving erratically.
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_00: And then the next thing that happened after that was they got good.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_00: They got some skill.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_00: But skill at what?
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_00: Who knows?
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_00: Could be anything.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_00: When was that?
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_00: When was that?
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'd say when the Coding models came out.
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_00: That was when Claude Code came out.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_00: It was really quite amazing.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_00: But it was also so unpredictable.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like a college kid that you don't know if they're going to do the work or go on a bender.
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_01: You need a leash.
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_03: You need a leash when you're in college.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_03: I remember that.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_00: And what's funny is, what did they call the coding tools?
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_00: Harnesses.
• 1:07:18
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 1:07:18
  SPEAKER_00: You're in college, you need a leash to keep you on track.
• 1:07:20
  SPEAKER_00: And they built a coding harness.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_00: That was the next thing.
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_00: And then the thing after that,
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_00: this is when my memory is even more clear of it,
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_00: is like when they started to get dialed in.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_00: The model before last, The way it behaved to me was much like a genius intern on his first job.
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_03: A genius intern on his first
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  SPEAKER_03: job.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so what I mean by that is they were incredible at execution,
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_00: but they would execute on anything.
• 1:08:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what do you want me to do?
• 1:08:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'll do this.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'll do that.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'll do this other thing.
• 1:08:09
  SPEAKER_00: And then the model after that, I just burst out laughing when I started using it.
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_00: It was the models right before this past two days or whatever.
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_03: Soul?
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_00: Soul?
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_00: Soul?
• 1:08:23
  SPEAKER_00: Six, I think it was.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_03: No, but Soul, S-O-L.
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I just burst out laughing because I'm like,
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_00: oh my God, this is exactly what you would expect next.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_00: Because you know what it did next?
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_00: What happens to a genius intern after a couple of weeks on
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_00: the job is they get yelled at and they become a perfectionist.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_00: And the first job that I gave the next coding model,
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_00: it just worked for hours and hours and hours and did nothing useful.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_00: And it was like, I fixed this, I fixed this, I fixed this, I fixed this.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's super safe.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_00: And it just was useless.
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_03: Damn, bro, this is such sensitivity to all this.
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_03: But let me ask you this, Josh,
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_03: because for me,
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_03: because I think you use it definitely differently and more technically,
• 1:09:19
  SPEAKER_03: but for my like content creation,
• 1:09:21
  SPEAKER_03: a lot of my video ideas is just me brainstorming with AI, right?
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_03: And I feel like the sole model And like,
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_03: I'm a little sad because it keeps changing,
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_03: you know, like,
• 1:09:33
  SPEAKER_03: and each of these models have their own personality,
• 1:09:35
  SPEAKER_03: but the sole model that I was using, so funny, bro.
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_03: First time in my four years that I'm Literally crying, laughing, fucking talking to them.
• 1:09:45
  SPEAKER_03: What are you, you motherfucker?
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_01: like we're talking
• 1:09:48
  SPEAKER_03: like that and we're going through scripts
• 1:09:50
  SPEAKER_03: and I'm reading certain scripts and I'm like, oh my God, this is so funny.
• 1:09:54
  SPEAKER_03: It's like a writer comedy room, right?
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_03: With writers.
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, no,
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_03: no, but you know, like let's add some microplastic joke here and this joke there.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_03: And we're like going back and forth and laughing.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, I can't believe the humor has gotten so good.
• 1:10:09
  SPEAKER_03: And people used to say like, yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_00: And how long does it take a human to learn how to tell a decent joke?
• 1:10:17
  SPEAKER_00: It takes a while before they stop cracking corny jokes.
• 1:10:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know the kids,
• 1:10:22
  SPEAKER_00: they've all gotten their joke book and they're reading the thing and it's not funny
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_00: at all, but you chuckle with them.
• 1:10:27
  SPEAKER_00: It takes time to learn how to be funny.
• 1:10:31
  SPEAKER_00: And the reason why I brought all this up is the thing that I am noticing
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_00: about AI is How astonishingly it is tracking the behavior and the signs
• 1:10:46
  SPEAKER_00: of human development.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_00: It is behaving the way a human, it is developing the way a human develops in its behavior.
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  SPEAKER_00: Each progressive model, to me,
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_00: exhibits not just more intelligence across the board or skill,
• 1:11:05
  SPEAKER_00: it exhibits more signs of maturity.
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_00: Social maturity, emotional maturity, intellectual maturity.
• 1:11:14
  SPEAKER_00: It is operating like somebody who is growing and maturing.
• 1:11:21
  SPEAKER_00: And in my work with what I've been doing with AI,
• 1:11:27
  SPEAKER_00: to get the best results that I've been getting,
• 1:11:30
  SPEAKER_00: I have been teaching at Mental Models.
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_00: And when I teach it to operate according to mental models
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  SPEAKER_00: and I make those mental models its systems, it performs better.
• 1:11:43
  SPEAKER_00: It matures because mental models are often systems of awareness.
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_00: How do you use this mental model to think in a couple different ways so
• 1:11:55
  SPEAKER_00: that your awareness increases?
• 1:11:57
  SPEAKER_00: And so when I install these mental models,
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_00: The awareness of the model increases and its capacity to do good work increases.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_00: And so
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_00: I find artificial intelligence to be moving very quickly in the direction
• 1:12:18
  SPEAKER_00: of not artificial.
• 1:12:19
  SPEAKER_00: And as humorous as it is to see a president talking about super intelligence
• 1:12:26
  SPEAKER_00: and how we're gonna do a rebrand,
• 1:12:29
  SPEAKER_03: That's a video right there.
• 1:12:31
  SPEAKER_03: That's going to be a controversial one.
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_03: Trump's talking about a rebrand.
• 1:12:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:12:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm curious.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some of the mental models, like you put like first principles, like what kind of mental models?
• 1:12:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go.
• 1:12:46
  SPEAKER_00: Check your work.
• 1:12:48
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 1:12:50
  SPEAKER_03: Tell me more.
• 1:12:54
  SPEAKER_00: Did you actually look at the thing that you were doing?
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 1:13:00
  SPEAKER_00: But some of the deeper ones are, okay,
• 1:13:04
  SPEAKER_00: can you figure out the reasonable next step for this as opposed to try
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_00: to accomplish it all at once?
• 1:13:15
  SPEAKER_00: And if you actually,
• 1:13:17
  SPEAKER_00: if you teach it baby steps,
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_00: you can get it to repeat a series of baby steps and then say,
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_00: okay, now do more like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it will do more effective work that has more connectivity between it.
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_00: It will not jump off into a random direction.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you say, look,
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  SPEAKER_00: let's talk about this and then this thing that's related
• 1:13:40
  SPEAKER_00: and this thing that's related.
• 1:13:42
  SPEAKER_00: Now give me one more that's slightly related.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_00: Now let's expand out that way.
• 1:13:47
  SPEAKER_00: As opposed to just saying, go get related stuff to that.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_03: All right?
• 1:13:53
  SPEAKER_03: And the...
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_00: The learning to look at things from different perspectives, right?
• 1:14:01
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm still speaking about pretty well-known ones, but to red team something, right?
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_00: How do you steel man this?
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_00: How do you straw man this?
• 1:14:12
  SPEAKER_00: And then to go deeper, the ones that it still has a lot of trouble with are system leadership.
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how do you think through delegations?
• 1:14:26
  SPEAKER_00: And it's really,
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_00: really fascinating because this is something that interns are not good at and
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_00: the AI still struggles with is if you try to get the AI to delegate,
• 1:14:38
  SPEAKER_00: the first thing that it will do is assign another agent a task and then say,
• 1:14:43
  SPEAKER_00: but don't do it this way.
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_00: Not that, don't do that.
• 1:14:47
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, don't do that.
• 1:14:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's bad.
• 1:14:51
  SPEAKER_00: And we know that The most basic form of leadership is to give somebody an assignment
• 1:14:57
  SPEAKER_00: and then yell at them if they do it wrong.
• 1:15:02
  SPEAKER_00: And so what I found myself teaching agents to do was see if you can construct all
• 1:15:10
  SPEAKER_00: of your instructions to the other agent in form of things to do as opposed
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_00: to things not to do.
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_03: To do versus, woo!
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_00: How do you aim towards the positive as opposed to avoid the negative?
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_00: And this is a higher performance form of operation.
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like cybernetics.
• 1:15:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 1:15:32
  SPEAKER_00: Cybernetics?
• 1:15:33
  SPEAKER_03: Tell us, Cisco, this is about cybernetics?
• 1:15:36
  SPEAKER_01: Just servomechanism,
• 1:15:37
  SPEAKER_01: like you're from point A to point B,
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_01: and then technology doesn't have feelings or anything,
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_01: so they give it sense organs to interpret positive feedback and negative feedback,
• 1:15:49
  SPEAKER_01: and it course corrects.
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's basically the science of how to make technology go towards its objective, basically.
• 1:15:59
  SPEAKER_01: Jamie
• 1:15:59
  SPEAKER_00: Tworkowski Yep.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_00: And there's this really fascinating thing about behavioral science,
• 1:16:04
  SPEAKER_00: which is like a fundamental principle,
• 1:16:07
  SPEAKER_00: is a
• 1:16:11
  SPEAKER_00: negative stimulation is fast acting,
• 1:16:16
  SPEAKER_00: sorry,
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_00: a negative stimulation Is fast acting and non-specific.
• 1:16:29
  SPEAKER_00: A positive stimulation is slow acting and specific.
• 1:16:35
  SPEAKER_00: Because when you tell somebody no, you don't tell them what to do.
• 1:16:40
  SPEAKER_00: You just tell them what not to do.
• 1:16:42
  SPEAKER_00: And so if you only correct somebody with a negative,
• 1:16:46
  SPEAKER_00: then their behavior will become progressively more unpredictable over time.
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_00: You will not be able to hone them in on a specific behavior.
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_00: You can hedge it a little bit, but it's not dependable.
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_00: But if you begin to instruct somebody through positive reinforcement,
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_00: then you are specifying the exact thing that you want done,
• 1:17:11
  SPEAKER_00: and they're getting a reward for doing that specific thing each time.
• 1:17:17
  SPEAKER_00: And so when you teach people You have to learn to use negative reinforcement
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_00: about 10 to 20% of the time and positive reinforcement about 80 to 90% of the time.
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_00: And negative reinforcement is only for extreme sudden corrections when things are
• 1:17:43
  SPEAKER_00: about to get dangerously off.
• 1:17:45
  SPEAKER_00: But for skill development,
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_00: you actually have to utilize the positive reinforcement Because skill needs
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_00: to be specific.
• 1:17:54
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think, Benoit?
• 1:17:55
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think about that?
• 1:17:56
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think these models, they're trained exactly the same way that humans are trained.
• 1:18:06
  SPEAKER_02: And it's so interesting that you mentioned the different steps and evolution
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_02: of these models with our own evolution.
• 1:18:14
  SPEAKER_02: And it makes sense because Initially,
• 1:18:17
  SPEAKER_02: I guess they were made by humans and they were improved by human feedback
• 1:18:21
  SPEAKER_02: and just like the self-driving and us,
• 1:18:24
  SPEAKER_02: just like the simple verification, the CAPTCHA thing of like, where are the stairs?
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_02: We've all been the ones training,
• 1:18:31
  SPEAKER_02: so it kind of makes sense that it replicates and it goes into stages
• 1:18:34
  SPEAKER_02: of more awareness, quote unquote.
• 1:18:37
  SPEAKER_02: I think it makes a lot of sense.
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_02: And so, yeah, where it's going to go from now, I have no clue, but...
• 1:18:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, who knows?
• 1:18:49
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 1:18:50
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not too worried about it, but I think it's a lot of fun.
• 1:18:56
  SPEAKER_02: I kind of went the other way.
• 1:18:59
  SPEAKER_02: I initially went in a cave for a few weeks and started optimizing everything
• 1:19:05
  SPEAKER_02: and I realized I was having too much fun because I was getting so much dopamine and
• 1:19:10
  SPEAKER_02: by the things you could do and there's so much power given to you right now.
• 1:19:16
  SPEAKER_02: My dream when I was A little younger was to have one day a big warehouse with
• 1:19:23
  SPEAKER_02: a bunch of people.
• 1:19:24
  SPEAKER_02: I wanted an engineer.
• 1:19:25
  SPEAKER_02: I wanted a software developer.
• 1:19:26
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like,
• 1:19:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to have all these people because I have all these ideas
• 1:19:29
  SPEAKER_02: and I can't execute all the everything.
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_02: I just want to go in the morning.
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, guys, this is my new idea.
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_02: And then they all start working.
• 1:19:34
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:19:35
  SPEAKER_02: And now it was possible.
• 1:19:37
  SPEAKER_02: Like you could actually do that with the models.
• 1:19:40
  SPEAKER_02: And so I got really excited and I got this rush of dopamine and was optimizing stuff
• 1:19:44
  SPEAKER_02: and working on stuff and agents on it.
• 1:19:47
  SPEAKER_02: And after a few weeks, I was like, hold on.
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just optimizing the optimization itself.
• 1:19:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like where does it end?
• 1:19:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I realized the whole point of this, like the second stage of my life is to experience it.
• 1:20:01
  SPEAKER_02: So I got so far into the theory of like the questions and where did it land?
• 1:20:05
  SPEAKER_02: And ultimately my answer was the most important thing is that I have this time on earth.
• 1:20:10
  SPEAKER_02: I don't, I'm not sure who knows what happens.
• 1:20:12
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't matter.
• 1:20:14
  SPEAKER_02: My goal is to experience it as much as possible.
• 1:20:17
  SPEAKER_02: And doing this and staying in the cave forever is not going to help me experience it.
• 1:20:21
  SPEAKER_02: And so I went the opposite way.
• 1:20:22
  SPEAKER_02: I'm doing a lot more analog stuff.
• 1:20:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm launching a physical newsletter, which is like, um,
• 1:20:29
  SPEAKER_03: not really a newsletter.
• 1:20:31
  SPEAKER_02: It's more, um,
• 1:20:32
  SPEAKER_02: you guys know, uh, Michel,
• 1:20:34
  SPEAKER_02: Michel de Montaigne,
• 1:20:35
  SPEAKER_02: a French philosopher 400 years ago,
• 1:20:37
  SPEAKER_02: had something called, uh,
• 1:20:38
  SPEAKER_02: the essay and from the word verb essay,
• 1:20:41
  SPEAKER_02: it would just try and he would just have these ideas and just attempt.
• 1:20:46
  SPEAKER_02: To understand it himself and just write and publish.
• 1:20:49
  SPEAKER_02: So that's the direction I'm going towards and I'm inviting people to collaborate on this.
• 1:20:54
  SPEAKER_02: It's going to be a lot of fun.
• 1:20:54
  SPEAKER_02: But just going back to more of the analog and the actual experience itself
• 1:21:00
  SPEAKER_02: and also trying to find my own cognitive atrophy.
• 1:21:07
  SPEAKER_02: Because the more I rely on tools,
• 1:21:08
  SPEAKER_02: the less I do it myself,
• 1:21:10
  SPEAKER_02: the less I train the very basic and necessary motor skills of just Thinking about
• 1:21:16
  SPEAKER_02: the thing without getting the answer.
• 1:21:17
  SPEAKER_02: And that's why I value a lot right now.
• 1:21:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm going to that direction because I think it's going to become some sort
• 1:21:25
  SPEAKER_02: of luxury skill to have as it becomes more commoditized.
• 1:21:30
  SPEAKER_02: The ability to come up with your own conclusions is going to be more luxurious
• 1:21:37
  SPEAKER_02: or more valuable in the market.
• 1:21:40
  SPEAKER_02: So these are my thoughts.
• 1:21:41
  SPEAKER_02: Amazing.
• 1:21:41
  SPEAKER_00: Amazing.
• 1:21:42
  SPEAKER_00: You know how many people are optimizing their Gmail accounts right now?
• 1:21:45
  SPEAKER_03: What the fuck is optimizing their Gmail account?
• 1:21:52
  SPEAKER_03: They must exist, right?
• 1:21:55
  SPEAKER_03: Optimizers of Gmail.
• 1:21:56
  SPEAKER_03: Damn, damn.
• 1:21:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I think that's amazing.
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I think for a lot,
• 1:22:02
  SPEAKER_00: like I saw an opportunity, so I went for that specific opportunity that I found.
• 1:22:08
  SPEAKER_00: I am in total agreement.
• 1:22:10
  SPEAKER_00: There is an enormous amount of wasted time occurring right now on AI.
• 1:22:19
  SPEAKER_00: I think maybe it's men's TikTok.
• 1:22:24
  SPEAKER_00: What
• 1:22:25
  SPEAKER_03: does that mean?
• 1:22:25
  SPEAKER_03: What's men's TikTok?
• 1:22:27
  SPEAKER_03: Let's talk about men's TikTok.
• 1:22:28
  SPEAKER_03: What are we laughing about here?
• 1:22:30
  SPEAKER_03: What's men's TikTok?
• 1:22:34
  SPEAKER_00: Demographically, women love TikTok.
• 1:22:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's amazing to them because it hits all of their social stimuli,
• 1:22:46
  SPEAKER_00: the parts of their brain that respond to the drama that you hear on the grapevine
• 1:22:51
  SPEAKER_00: and all of that stuff.
• 1:22:53
  SPEAKER_00: And so it hits their social stimuli.
• 1:22:56
  SPEAKER_00: And for men, they have a just as shallow logical brain.
• 1:23:07
  SPEAKER_00: I like to emphasize your logical brain is just as stupid.
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just as easily hacked.
• 1:23:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's so true.
• 1:23:19
  SPEAKER_00: Andrew Huberman hacked every man's logical brain.
• 1:23:23
  SPEAKER_00: And the protocol is the three and a half segments of the two and a half segments.
• 1:23:28
  SPEAKER_00: If you combine with the green 45.
• 1:23:31
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry, I fell for Andrew Huberman.
• 1:23:34
  SPEAKER_03: He's following me.
• 1:23:35
  SPEAKER_03: He's following you, Josh.
• 1:23:37
  SPEAKER_00: He's amazing.
• 1:23:38
  SPEAKER_00: He's amazing.
• 1:23:39
  SPEAKER_00: But there's a reason why guys love to listen to him.
• 1:23:42
  SPEAKER_00: Because he talks in the language of Of a man who likes to follow a linear pathway.
• 1:23:49
  SPEAKER_03: Damn!
• 1:23:50
  SPEAKER_03: Is that why I'm so attracted to this man?
• 1:23:52
  SPEAKER_03: He's a handsome guy too, guys.
• 1:23:54
  SPEAKER_03: He's handsome.
• 1:23:54
  SPEAKER_03: He got tattoos.
• 1:23:56
  SPEAKER_03: It's optimization porn.
• 1:24:03
  SPEAKER_02: With the right vocabulary that captures your mind and you're like,
• 1:24:09
  SPEAKER_02: this is what I want and I want more of it and I can have an infinite amount of it.
• 1:24:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like the casino, you keep pulling the
• 1:24:15
  SPEAKER_00: lever.
• 1:24:16
  SPEAKER_00: Please have me on your podcast.
• 1:24:22
  SPEAKER_00: I do think he's incredible.
• 1:24:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's his thing that he specifically speaks that way and it's funny,
• 1:24:31
  SPEAKER_00: you'll You'll hear him on podcasts say the dream sentence
• 1:24:38
  SPEAKER_00: that every man always wanted to ask when they listen to somebody go on
• 1:24:44
  SPEAKER_00: for 40 minutes.
• 1:24:46
  SPEAKER_00: He will let a guest go on for 40 minutes and then he'll go, so what's the protocol?
• 1:24:55
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me step by step.
• 1:24:59
  SPEAKER_03: Hey listen, this man is patient.
• 1:25:02
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna make a fucking video about Archie Hoover and talk about exactly.
• 1:25:06
  SPEAKER_03: He's patient.
• 1:25:07
  SPEAKER_03: He waits 40 minutes and then BOOM!
• 1:25:11
  SPEAKER_03: He asks what the fuck is the protocol, man?
• 1:25:15
  SPEAKER_03: I don't want an ending to the video.
• 1:25:17
  SPEAKER_03: What's the fucking protocol?
• 1:25:21
  SPEAKER_03: And that's what all men have been dreaming to say.
• 1:25:25
  SPEAKER_03: You're right, bro.
• 1:25:26
  SPEAKER_03: I want a protocol.
• 1:25:27
  SPEAKER_03: I want that formula.
• 1:25:28
  SPEAKER_03: But I feel like, Josh, I've gotten to a point where I'm just like, fuck the protocol.
• 1:25:33
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just going towards my aligned action.
• 1:25:36
  SPEAKER_03: And then I'm going to surrender to the universe.
• 1:25:38
  SPEAKER_03: So there's been a lot of conversations about manifestation.
• 1:25:42
  SPEAKER_03: And to me, after working through everything, my definition of manifestation is...
• 1:25:47
  SPEAKER_03: Setting your intentions somewhere.
• 1:25:49
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't have to be super specific, but set the intentions.
• 1:25:52
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:25:53
  SPEAKER_03: And then take aligned action and then surrender to the universe.
• 1:25:59
  SPEAKER_03: And that's where I'm at now.
• 1:26:00
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:26:01
  SPEAKER_03: Like I'm making the content.
• 1:26:03
  SPEAKER_01: It kind of sounds like his order and chaos thing.
• 1:26:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:26:07
  SPEAKER_03: It's a balance of the two.
• 1:26:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:26:09
  SPEAKER_03: No, but you know, the other thing with the order is that like, That's the other thing.
• 1:26:14
  SPEAKER_03: Like I feel like this order thing, it doesn't even feel like order.
• 1:26:18
  SPEAKER_03: Like everything feels like plague.
• 1:26:19
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:26:20
  SPEAKER_03: Like I'm disciplined because I'm so passionate about what's happening here, about the vibe sesh.
• 1:26:27
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 1:26:27
  SPEAKER_03: It's literally my favorite moment of the week.
• 1:26:31
  SPEAKER_03: I think when you're in true alignment, you don't need...
• 1:26:36
  SPEAKER_02: I think when you're in true alignment,
• 1:26:38
  SPEAKER_02: you don't need the external order because things organize themselves.
• 1:26:42
  SPEAKER_02: That's where the order comes from is doing the right thing.
• 1:26:45
  SPEAKER_00: I have an additional thought on that.
• 1:26:47
  SPEAKER_00: So the reason why it doesn't feel like order is because you're an adult.
• 1:26:57
  SPEAKER_00: You have an integrated order.
• 1:27:03
  SPEAKER_00: And once you have integrated order, then you can focus on the chaos.
• 1:27:09
  SPEAKER_00: And it won't break you.
• 1:27:10
  SPEAKER_00: It won't harm you.
• 1:27:12
  SPEAKER_00: And then to align more with what you said a second ago is,
• 1:27:21
  SPEAKER_00: if you're really good at bowling and there are bumpers, do the bumpers exist?
• 1:27:32
  SPEAKER_03: If you're a really good bow, do the bumpers exist, bro?
• 1:27:36
  SPEAKER_03: Cisco, what's your answer to that question, bro?
• 1:27:41
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:27:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm learning it too.
• 1:27:45
  SPEAKER_00: There's a scripture in the Bible that a lot of people have said means that
• 1:27:51
  SPEAKER_00: the Old Testament isn't relevant anymore and that the law is done away with.
• 1:27:56
  SPEAKER_00: And there's this scripture about how if you are focused on Christ, then the laws will fall away.
• 1:28:05
  SPEAKER_03: Say it again.
• 1:28:05
  SPEAKER_03: Say it again.
• 1:28:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
• 1:28:07
  SPEAKER_00: If you're focused on Christ, then the laws will fall away.
• 1:28:12
  SPEAKER_00: But the reality is,
• 1:28:16
  SPEAKER_00: if you are focused on the thing that you are manifesting,
• 1:28:21
  SPEAKER_00: if you are focused on the thing and truly aligned with it,
• 1:28:26
  SPEAKER_00: then you don't need laws to force you to move in that direction.
• 1:28:34
  SPEAKER_00: Why do you need laws?
• 1:28:35
  SPEAKER_00: Are you just going in that fucking direction?
• 1:28:38
  SPEAKER_00: And so it is as if they fall away.
• 1:28:40
  SPEAKER_00: It is as if the bumpers for the expert bowler aren't there.
• 1:28:47
  SPEAKER_00: Because to him, a mistake is that he hit the pen that he meant to hit a little bit to the left.
• 1:28:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, damn.
• 1:28:58
  SPEAKER_03: He's never going to hit the bumpers, bro.
• 1:29:00
  SPEAKER_03: Never.
• 1:29:02
  SPEAKER_03: Never.
• 1:29:03
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't exist for him.
• 1:29:05
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, damn.
• 1:29:06
  SPEAKER_00: Damn.
• 1:29:08
  SPEAKER_00: As people start to get more skillful, it's not that it's not there.
• 1:29:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's not that it isn't incredibly important.
• 1:29:17
  SPEAKER_00: It starts to become less in the consciousness.
• 1:29:20
  SPEAKER_00: And so a lot of people start to be like, oh, no, I'm all chaos now.
• 1:29:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, no, you're not.
• 1:29:24
  SPEAKER_01: You're just an integrated order.
• 1:29:27
  SPEAKER_00: I know a guy that he was like, yeah, I've gotten to this point in my life.
• 1:29:35
  SPEAKER_00: Where beauty, it's not as important to me as other things.
• 1:29:41
  SPEAKER_00: My relationships have moved past that.
• 1:29:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, buddy, look at your wife.
• 1:29:47
  SPEAKER_00: She's a bombshell.
• 1:29:49
  SPEAKER_00: She's amazing.
• 1:29:51
  SPEAKER_00: Beauty is not unimportant to you.
• 1:29:55
  SPEAKER_00: Beauty is your baseline.
• 1:30:00
  SPEAKER_00: And you're now focused on other things.
• 1:30:04
  SPEAKER_00: You integrated your pursuit for beauty.
• 1:30:07
  SPEAKER_00: You love that she is beautiful.
• 1:30:10
  SPEAKER_00: And now you are thrilled that she also has depth.
• 1:30:17
  SPEAKER_03: Hmm.
• 1:30:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:30:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:30:24
  SPEAKER_03: How
• 1:30:27
  SPEAKER_03: are
• 1:30:30
  SPEAKER_03: you feeling, Josh?
• 1:30:33
  SPEAKER_03: Let me ask you, Benoit.
• 1:30:37
  SPEAKER_03: You said he has the villain vibes.
• 1:30:39
  SPEAKER_03: Why did you say, Josh, he has the villain vibes?
• 1:30:44
  SPEAKER_02: I said the villain origin story.
• 1:30:49
  SPEAKER_03: Ah yes okay now that we know his origin story I think right like with
• 1:30:53
  SPEAKER_03: the whole college thing and
• 1:30:55
  SPEAKER_02: no it's so it's fascinating how um how
• 1:31:03
  SPEAKER_02: we all have
• 1:31:04
  SPEAKER_02: that we especially when when people when you see people online or for
• 1:31:08
  SPEAKER_02: the first time whatever and then you see them in a different context
• 1:31:13
  SPEAKER_02: Just when you showed up, we were all like, oh, that's not what we were expecting.
• 1:31:17
  SPEAKER_02: We didn't expect the glasses, the hat, we didn't expect anything.
• 1:31:23
  SPEAKER_02: And I just find that super fascinating.
• 1:31:24
  SPEAKER_02: The first impression that I had of you,
• 1:31:27
  SPEAKER_02: and I think I saw after that,
• 1:31:28
  SPEAKER_02: which video it was, probably a few months back, was
• 1:31:37
  SPEAKER_02: very precise, very calculated.
• 1:31:42
  SPEAKER_02: But disguised as a calm, introverted person that knew exactly when to press which button.
• 1:31:50
  SPEAKER_02: But also
• 1:31:53
  SPEAKER_02: almost as a performance, I don't know, it was this beautiful thing that I saw as art.
• 1:32:01
  SPEAKER_02: So not performance as in I'm being fake,
• 1:32:03
  SPEAKER_02: but I'm doing this performance to get exactly what I want.
• 1:32:08
  SPEAKER_02: I found that beautiful, but it was genuinely interesting to see how you showed up tonight.
• 1:32:13
  SPEAKER_02: I was not expecting that at all.
• 1:32:15
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, Benoit, Benoit,
• 1:32:16
  SPEAKER_03: this is amazing because this is your first time you're
• 1:32:20
  SPEAKER_03: on stage co-hosting this whole thing, right?
• 1:32:22
  SPEAKER_03: We're like, right?
• 1:32:24
  SPEAKER_03: But for me, I've done 100 on VIBE SESH X, right, on X, and now we're up to 29 tonight.
• 1:32:31
  SPEAKER_03: And bro, it's so interesting because I get nervous for every guest, Josh.
• 1:32:36
  SPEAKER_03: Every guest, I get nervous.
• 1:32:37
  SPEAKER_03: I'm a lifelong introvert.
• 1:32:41
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's taken a long time to just get comfortable.
• 1:32:46
  SPEAKER_03: This one,
• 1:32:47
  SPEAKER_03: I was nervous,
• 1:32:47
  SPEAKER_03: and then I was like, bro,
• 1:32:49
  SPEAKER_03: you've done 29, and every time you have all this fear, and it never turns out bad.
• 1:32:56
  SPEAKER_03: They all turn out to be the best vibe sesh ever,
• 1:32:59
  SPEAKER_03: and the person is always completely different than you imagined,
• 1:33:04
  SPEAKER_03: than the persona they have online.
• 1:33:06
  SPEAKER_03: Completely different, bro.
• 1:33:08
  SPEAKER_03: Like, because of course me too, right?
• 1:33:11
  SPEAKER_03: Like as the vibes are, I'm performing in a way, right?
• 1:33:14
  SPEAKER_03: Like the most authentic that I, but I'm performing on a certain level.
• 1:33:18
  SPEAKER_03: That's why this vibe session is beautiful because like that all goes away and we get
• 1:33:23
  SPEAKER_03: to meet the real person behind that mask, which is cool, right?
• 1:33:27
  SPEAKER_03: Like you have that mask and you got to do what you got to do to do what you do, right?
• 1:33:30
  SPEAKER_03: But like, then you come here and it's just the masks are off and it's different, man.
• 1:33:36
  SPEAKER_03: It's so, I don't know what to say, exactly what you were saying, Benoit, right?
• 1:33:41
  SPEAKER_03: Like you're experiencing it like for the first time, kind of, right?
• 1:33:45
  SPEAKER_03: Like this difference.
• 1:33:46
  SPEAKER_03: But I've been noticing this and it's amazing.
• 1:33:51
  SPEAKER_02: I just love to see it.
• 1:33:52
  SPEAKER_02: I love the vibe session.
• 1:33:54
  SPEAKER_02: Immediately you set the tone for like,
• 1:33:56
  SPEAKER_02: this is going to be chill and comfortable and you can be yourself,
• 1:34:00
  SPEAKER_02: which always works.
• 1:34:01
  SPEAKER_02: And so, I mean, it's amazing.
• 1:34:03
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm sure if we all get together in person, it's going to be another level of us being us.
• 1:34:09
  SPEAKER_02: There's so many layers to it.
• 1:34:12
  SPEAKER_02: And then there's the layer of you just being across from yourself in the mirror.
• 1:34:16
  SPEAKER_02: That's probably another level deeper.
• 1:34:20
  SPEAKER_02: And there's probably more levels to that because we lie to ourselves a lot.
• 1:34:25
  SPEAKER_02: I love being able to see that in real time.
• 1:34:31
  SPEAKER_03: Woo!
• 1:34:32
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, Cisco, we got to end this soon.
• 1:34:35
  SPEAKER_03: You want to ask our final question?
• 1:34:36
  SPEAKER_03: I'm very curious what he's going to say, bro.
• 1:34:39
  SPEAKER_01: Go ahead, Cisco.
• 1:34:41
  SPEAKER_01: All right, Josh.
• 1:34:42
  SPEAKER_01: So, every vibe session, we like to conclude with the eternal loop question.
• 1:34:49
  SPEAKER_01: So, we want you to pick either a moment or an experience.
• 1:34:53
  SPEAKER_01: And the assumption is you're going to love this thing.
• 1:34:56
  SPEAKER_01: You're not going to get sick of it.
• 1:34:58
  SPEAKER_01: And you are going to relive this forever.
• 1:35:02
  SPEAKER_01: For eternity, this loop.
• 1:35:04
  SPEAKER_01: What is your loop?
• 1:35:08
  SPEAKER_01: My breath.
• 1:35:11
  SPEAKER_01: That was quick.
• 1:35:14
  SPEAKER_02: My breath.
• 1:35:15
  SPEAKER_02: That's an efficient way to stay alive forever.
• 1:35:21
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, if I have to stay alive forever, I'm going to experience it forever.
• 1:35:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I want to experience my breath.
• 1:35:31
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like this is the best eternal loop question answer, bro.
• 1:35:35
  SPEAKER_03: No?
• 1:35:36
  SPEAKER_03: The breath.
• 1:35:37
  SPEAKER_03: Damn.
• 1:35:39
  SPEAKER_03: Bro, you know what happened?
• 1:35:41
  SPEAKER_03: Last Vibe Sash, yes, amazing guy too.
• 1:35:43
  SPEAKER_03: Also followed by Joe Rogan, Andrew Hoogerman, I think, right?
• 1:35:47
  SPEAKER_03: But he was like, his eternal loop, he had like this traumatic childhood, right?
• 1:35:52
  SPEAKER_03: And his eternal loop was,
• 1:35:54
  SPEAKER_03: he was like bounced around different families,
• 1:35:56
  SPEAKER_03: his uncle, his grandfather, his blah, blah, blah, orphanages too.
• 1:36:00
  SPEAKER_03: And he ended up with his grandfather.
• 1:36:03
  SPEAKER_03: And his grandfather was watching TV.
• 1:36:06
  SPEAKER_03: And he was about to change the channel on the TV.
• 1:36:09
  SPEAKER_03: Then he turns to Travis, our guy.
• 1:36:12
  SPEAKER_03: And he's like, hey, do you want to watch something?
• 1:36:16
  SPEAKER_03: And that's his eternal loop, brother.
• 1:36:18
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's so sweet.
• 1:36:24
  SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
• 1:36:25
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 1:36:27
  SPEAKER_03: But the breath was amazing too, guys.
• 1:36:31
  SPEAKER_03: Cisco, what do you think?
• 1:36:34
  SPEAKER_03: You have fun?
• 1:36:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love this.
• 1:36:37
  SPEAKER_01: I was glad to see a woo-woo side because I got very serious vibes, you know?
• 1:36:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:36:45
  SPEAKER_01: He's chill back from behind the scenes.
• 1:36:48
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't share my religion.
• 1:36:49
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, what's your religion?
• 1:36:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:36:51
  SPEAKER_03: Let's go.
• 1:36:51
  SPEAKER_00: What's your religion?
• 1:36:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:36:55
  SPEAKER_00: All right, it's very complex.
• 1:36:58
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, let's go.
• 1:37:01
  SPEAKER_00: Be the guy that God would want to have a beer with.
• 1:37:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's my religion.
• 1:37:11
  SPEAKER_03: That's chill maxing
• 1:37:12
  SPEAKER_00: right there, guys.
• 1:37:13
  SPEAKER_00: It all comes back to chill maxing.
• 1:37:14
  SPEAKER_00: To tie it all back together.
• 1:37:16
  SPEAKER_00: That's why I said I should share my religion when you talked about chill maxing.
• 1:37:21
  SPEAKER_02: Dude, we started and ending with chill matching.
• 1:37:24
  SPEAKER_03: Bro!
• 1:37:25
  SPEAKER_03: This is the best five session ever!
• 1:37:30
  SPEAKER_03: Chill back to chill matching.
• 1:37:33
  SPEAKER_03: Guys, love you guys.
• 1:37:34
  SPEAKER_03: Guys, Josh, let's talk about your app thing.
• 1:37:37
  SPEAKER_03: I want to just help you get the word out free of service.
• 1:37:43
  SPEAKER_03: Let's go.
• 1:37:43
  SPEAKER_03: I want to use it and I want to make some cool videos.
• 1:37:46
  SPEAKER_03: Let's talk and...
• 1:37:47
  SPEAKER_03: Amazing vibes.
• 1:37:48
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you Benoit.
• 1:37:49
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you Cisco.
• 1:37:50
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you Josh.
• 1:37:52
  SPEAKER_03: Peace and love.
• 1:37:53
  SPEAKER_03: We'll see each other soon.