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Pearl Called It · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: All right, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you
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  Speaker 1: may be, and welcome back to Honey Badger Radio. My
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  Speaker 1: name is Brian Alison, and this is maintaining frame. Pearl
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  Speaker 1: called it where we're gonna be looking at some of
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  Speaker 1: the recent happenings with regards to like this sort of
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  Speaker 1: egirl drama that's been happening lately, but also relating it
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  Speaker 1: to something that is poignant. It's actually just like looking
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  Speaker 1: at an incident and extracted from that the pattern, the
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  Speaker 1: pattern that we can't unsee. So I'm gonna hand it
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  Speaker 1: off to Alison to set this up.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So it's the recent dust up between I
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  Speaker 2: think Pearl and Sarah Stock. Actually the controversy I suppose
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  Speaker 2: Sarah with Sarah Stock and just a brief overview, apparently
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  Speaker 2: she was sleeping with another man when she was or
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  Speaker 2: maybe just up to the point where he has her
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  Speaker 2: current husband to her, and it's of course blown up.
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  Speaker 2: And what I noticed about all of this is that
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  Speaker 2: Pearl actually called this, she called the kind of narcissistic
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  Speaker 2: immercenary quality that we're seeing now in Sarah Stock way
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  Speaker 2: back when just when she showed her actual like wedding
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  Speaker 2: photo or not wedding photo, her engagement ring photo. And
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  Speaker 2: I just found that interesting because Pearl is correctly identifying
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  Speaker 2: this kind of quality, or she's identifying this behavior in women,
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  Speaker 2: and she calls it out, and I just wanted and
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  Speaker 2: what was interesting to me is that she, Pearl operates
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  Speaker 2: on the level of a pundit. So she creates these
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  Speaker 2: more simplified emotional stories and narratives like returning to patriarchy
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  Speaker 2: or whatever people think patriarchy was, which it wasn't, but
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  Speaker 2: let's just leave it at that. So she creates this
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  Speaker 2: kind of narrative around that. But what she's also doing,
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  Speaker 2: and I know a lot of people don't like her,
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  Speaker 2: but this is what I like that she's doing. She
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  Speaker 2: is moving the emotional Overton window so that we can
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  Speaker 2: start to criticize women's behavior and their choices and their
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  Speaker 2: influence on the greater society. So she's moving us emotionally
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  Speaker 2: in a bigger way than what we can do, because,
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  Speaker 2: let's face it, I'm not great at presenting the emotional
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  Speaker 2: story or creating an emotional story that really ties people
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  Speaker 2: to this stuff. But she is, and she's moving us
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  Speaker 2: emotionally towards being able to blame women on a systemic level,
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  Speaker 2: which is where I would like us to get to,
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  Speaker 2: so that we can start to recognize either that if
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  Speaker 2: women have this supposed beneficial effect on the wide systematics
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  Speaker 2: of things, then they also have a very negative effect.
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  Speaker 2: And it's good to see that this conversation is happening.
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  Speaker 2: We see Helen Andrews is talking about it's coming into
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  Speaker 2: the academic sphere, so it and I think a big
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  Speaker 2: part of that is because Pearl has moved the emotional
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  Speaker 2: overtime window when it comes to discussing these concepts, when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to actually calling women out for their behavior.
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  Speaker 2: And I just thought it was really interesting that Pearl
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  Speaker 2: was the first to notice something was off about Sarah Stock.
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  Speaker 2: Now we can get into more of the details, and
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  Speaker 2: I think Brian can help us out with that because
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  Speaker 2: he's always good with the the the the picture, like
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  Speaker 2: knowing what to tell people about what's happening. And but
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  Speaker 2: before we get into that, before I queue you up, Brian,
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  Speaker 2: comment on anything I've said, Oh yes. And after that,
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  Speaker 2: after we discussed the drama and we're going to go
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  Speaker 2: into so Pearl's going to lay down the case for
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  Speaker 2: an individual situation where she's identified this behavior, and then
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  Speaker 2: we're going to go into the Anna Kasparian versus Pearl
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  Speaker 2: arguing debate, and Pearl is going to show us going
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  Speaker 2: from the individual to the systemic. So she's going to
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  Speaker 2: talk about that, and like I said, I really like that.
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  Speaker 2: I know lots of you have problems with Pearl, but
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  Speaker 2: the truth is that we need to move that Overton window.
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  Speaker 2: And if she's doing the work to do it, then good.
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  Speaker 2: We need to be able to blame women, We need
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  Speaker 2: to be able to call them out for their behavior.
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  Speaker 2: We need to break down the emotional barriers against doing that,
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  Speaker 2: and if we don't, we're just going to be suck
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  Speaker 2: stuck circling the drain of this. And yes, I know
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  Speaker 2: she doesn't necessarily get into the big picture and the
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  Speaker 2: systemic analysis like we do, but that's critical too, like
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  Speaker 2: moving the emotional narrative is critical too. So anyway, feed
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  Speaker 2: you want to start us off with an explanation of
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  Speaker 2: the happenings.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so let me give you guys a timeline. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So it's important to see the timeline events because this
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  Speaker 1: is how I view things as I see, like, my
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  Speaker 1: whole thing is with regards to talking about men's issues,
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  Speaker 1: is I keeping since most of this discourse is online,
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  Speaker 1: and that's the truth, like ninety percent of this is
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  Speaker 1: all online stuff. Then I'm looking at everyone who's talking
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  Speaker 1: online to see who gets closer to talking about men's
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  Speaker 1: issues and who is an obstacle to that, and who
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  Speaker 1: moves away from that? And that'll be looking attention to
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  Speaker 1: the various personalities.
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  Speaker 2: What I don't think the vertical stream is streaming?
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  Speaker 1: What the vertical stream? Oh, hold on a second.
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  Speaker 2: I think we have a alright, already our first technical difficulty.
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  Speaker 1: But I have it's all right, it's all right, it
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  Speaker 1: should be going now. I don't know why it wasn't. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let me see the vertical stream. Yeah, there it goes.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry about that, okay, good, apologize for those of vias
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  Speaker 1: who missed the opening. So I pay attention to what
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  Speaker 1: people are doing in the space.
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  Speaker 2: And.
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  Speaker 1: I so there's one one person that we used to
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  Speaker 1: quote a lot. Are these guys from the Majority Report,
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  Speaker 1: which are like progressive YouTubers. You guys remember the famous
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  Speaker 1: you know, literally one hundred or so years ago, women
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  Speaker 1: were still via this chattel. Those were the Majority Report guys,
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  Speaker 1: and they still are around. And so Sam Seter, who
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  Speaker 1: runs the Majority of was doing an episode of Jubilee
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  Speaker 1: call Surrounded. And this is relevant because I'm just telling
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  Speaker 1: the backstory of how we got here, and surrounding is
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  Speaker 1: when you have one person with an opinion surrounded by
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of people who have an opposing opinion, and
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  Speaker 1: they take turns debating that guy in the middle right.
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  Speaker 1: And I think Peterson, Jordan Peterson did one stuff like that. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so Ahmiti Hassan did it. So this was with Sarah
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  Speaker 1: Stock the first time I ever saw her. Okay, she
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  Speaker 1: was on this. So I'm just gonna show you this
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  Speaker 1: is the question or the statement that it needs to
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  Speaker 1: be refuted is unless you're a billionaire religious fundamentalist or
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  Speaker 1: a xenophobic nationalist, voting for Trump was a mistake. This
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  Speaker 1: is a political question. I understand that. Bear with me,
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  Speaker 1: Please don't freak out. So we're gonna listen to this. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: there's no sound right now, So I gotta just this
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  Speaker 1: is a thing that happens with this tool. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know why. Okay, So let's do it again, Sam.
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  Speaker 3: So, I actually think that this liberal world order needs
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  Speaker 3: to be thrown away completely, and I think Christian nationalism
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  Speaker 3: would be a good alternative.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And am I echoing? What am I echoing? Or
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  Speaker 2: is this just a poor recording?
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  Speaker 1: What was that?
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  Speaker 2: Am I echoing? Or is this a poor recording?
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  Speaker 4: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: No, it's I think it's just here, I'll put my
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  Speaker 1: headphones on. It's just it might just not be a
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  Speaker 1: great recording. M No, I'm I'm I'm no, it's fine.
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  Speaker 1: My point is she shows up. I don't know where
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  Speaker 1: you have this blonde girl. She sits down and she
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  Speaker 1: makes like a crazy statement, Okay, xenophobia is good actually,
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  Speaker 1: and with the sort of like fringe zoomer right, this
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  Speaker 1: was popular. And then she suddenly blew up and she
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  Speaker 1: was like, for some reason, it's like the other the
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  Speaker 1: other girl who basically just said an N word online
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  Speaker 1: an Instagram video, and then she blew up, and now
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  Speaker 1: she's like doing the rounds on all these sort of
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  Speaker 1: like you know, dissident right, supposedly paleo Chris Coon types websites.
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  Speaker 1: And I saw that and I was like, Okay, well whatever,
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  Speaker 1: she's she's trying to be edgy. But it worked out.
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  Speaker 1: It worked out so well that I guess she got
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  Speaker 1: a job working for this guy named Eliza Shaeffer who
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  Speaker 1: ran a website I think called oh Man. He had
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  Speaker 1: a YouTube channel I think it was called Slightly Offensive,
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  Speaker 1: and it started off as a man on the street thing,
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  Speaker 1: and then over time he became more and more sort
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  Speaker 1: of like you know, identitarian and doing more content along
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  Speaker 1: those lines. And so she started working with him on
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  Speaker 1: in this and then I guess somewhere along the way
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  Speaker 1: she got engaged. And so what I'm saying is you
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  Speaker 1: have like a girl who started off on the internet
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  Speaker 1: saying stuff that got her attention because it did, and
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  Speaker 1: then eventually that got her a man, okay, and then
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  Speaker 1: she also got engaged to that man. And of course
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  Speaker 1: what I think this exposes in a way is that
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  Speaker 1: the the online social like world is not the real
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  Speaker 1: world at all. Like these people know each other only
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  Speaker 1: through the internet. And what she started when she said
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  Speaker 1: I won and showed her ring was essentially a flame
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  Speaker 1: war between women online. They were making fun of the
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  Speaker 1: sides of the stone they were. It was all like
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  Speaker 1: this sort of clout chasing thing, and Pearl correct correctly
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  Speaker 1: pointed out said how does right work? Right? And so
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  Speaker 1: like this this post no longer exists because of what
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  Speaker 1: the consequence of the story we're discussing, where Sarah Stock
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  Speaker 1: was basically committing adultery or cheating on her fiance and
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  Speaker 1: she was shamed off the internet, so her posts are
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  Speaker 1: no longer available to look at. So what this post
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  Speaker 1: was is actually this post right here.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, describe this for anybody who's just listening. She's holding
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  Speaker 2: out her hand and she has an engagement ring on
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  Speaker 2: her whatever finger, she has an engaged ring. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: she's basically saying I won showing off the engagement ring ring.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember when the chaos around this happened, and
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  Speaker 2: I sort of waited in a little bit and I said, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think pearl has a point, and but you know,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe I would give it to her because
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  Speaker 2: it's sort of like a something personal to her. The
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  Speaker 2: guy she was engaged to made the ring, but it
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  Speaker 2: still seems very mercenary and narcissistic, and it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's a bit of a red flag. And I think
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  Speaker 2: pearl is is right on that score, because it isn't
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  Speaker 2: about like what are you going to show Pearls tweet,
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  Speaker 2: because yeah, Peaul essentially says, not pictured the husband. And
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  Speaker 2: that's a really good point because it is it becomes
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  Speaker 2: about the competition between women in the traditionalist space, like
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  Speaker 2: the competition in the liberal space between women is how
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  Speaker 2: quickly you can eat a man or how much you
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  Speaker 2: can say you don't desire men. Because it seems to
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  Speaker 2: be more around rejecting men in the liberal space, but
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  Speaker 2: in the traditionalist spaces it is still about you know,
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  Speaker 2: getting a man. But both cases it's not about the man.
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  Speaker 2: So I think Pearl had a really good point here.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you're not marrying a ring, you're not marrying
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  Speaker 2: a marriage ceremony. You know you're not marrying a party,
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  Speaker 2: you're not marrying your friends having fun for a night.
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  Speaker 2: You are marrying a man, right, And I think that,
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  Speaker 2: like I said, I think she really did hit on
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  Speaker 2: something when she criticized this behavior. But anyway, I think,
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  Speaker 2: why don't you up data on the latest happening?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so then like so you know, fair Stock took
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  Speaker 1: advantage of this obviously everything And this is what girl
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  Speaker 1: Pearl has said, and I've said this too a lot
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  Speaker 1: of like all I can call them is like conservative LARPers,
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  Speaker 1: Like they they're they're building a brand for themselves and
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  Speaker 1: they're showing it all to the internet, you know, so
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  Speaker 1: that it has like a it really reeks up being
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  Speaker 1: fake because I know real like like conservative people and
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  Speaker 1: they're just not online at all, right, they're just doing
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  Speaker 1: their life. So people who are saying here's my trad
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  Speaker 1: life all over the internet. I'm wearing costumes and I'm
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  Speaker 1: baking bread and I'm doing this stuff. It just screams,
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  Speaker 1: this isn't real. But I'm doing this for likes in
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  Speaker 1: the same way that you have like a girl that
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  Speaker 1: dresses up like a goth you know, a goth mommy
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  Speaker 1: or a whatever. Like they they play a character. They're
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  Speaker 1: they're presenting a character to the world through the Internet,
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  Speaker 1: and it gets them, you know, likes and thumbs up
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  Speaker 1: and shares and such. So I get that. That's what
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  Speaker 1: I believe Sarah Stock was doing. I believe that's what
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  Speaker 1: Lauren Southern does. I believe that that's what Brittany VNTI does.
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  Speaker 1: I think that that's what they all do because they're
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  Speaker 1: perpetually online, trying to shame other people for being perpetually
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  Speaker 1: online while downplaying their own perpetualindness. And if you are
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  Speaker 1: perpetually online, just submit it. It's okay, but like, don't
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  Speaker 1: try to pretend to be something you're not. And that's
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  Speaker 1: where like all the infighting, especially amongst these women, comes from.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think it really matters how they brand
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  Speaker 1: themselves because you know, it is, as they say, you
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  Speaker 1: by their seeds, by their fruits, you shall know them, right.
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  Speaker 1: So it's what they're doing that shows who they are.
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  Speaker 1: And Pearl was correct on this and this is why
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  Speaker 1: she got the most hate of all, which is I
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  Speaker 1: find it weird that people say she's a grifter when
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  Speaker 1: she's literally doing the least popular things, Like Pearl's the
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  Speaker 1: only person with the platform she had that gave a
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  Speaker 1: platform Alison to Karen, to Paul Elim, to Gene Fiamngo
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  Speaker 1: to Tom Golden. You know, she did that. None of
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  Speaker 1: these other people who claim to like care about men
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  Speaker 1: and have massive platforms have done that. Yet none of
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  Speaker 1: them her hats. So like I gotta get Mike Buchanan.
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  Speaker 1: She spoke to him, right, So that means that she
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying she's good at what she does, because
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  Speaker 1: she has her failings, but I don't think she's well
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  Speaker 1: ill intentioned, and I think, like Alison said, she is
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  Speaker 1: doing necessary taking necessary risks, exposing you know this this
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  Speaker 1: behavior online on an emotional level to get men to
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  Speaker 1: see it. And the truth is that more and more
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  Speaker 1: men are seeing it. And Sarah Stock, We're gonna get
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  Speaker 1: back to her, did no favors to herself or this
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  Speaker 1: whole thing. So, Sarah Stock, while you guys are letting
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  Speaker 1: all what I said sink in. So Sarah Stock, I
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  Speaker 1: haven't really followed. I don't play attention to those people
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  Speaker 1: that much. But he it was it came out at
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  Speaker 1: like a rese Sea pack that he was caught or
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  Speaker 1: something like in an affair with Elijah Shaeffer. Elijah Shaffer
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  Speaker 1: is the guy who ran that YouTube channel calls slightly
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  Speaker 1: offensive and he has been like a bit of a
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  Speaker 1: definitely more on the Groyper side of things politically. And
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  Speaker 1: apparently they had a thing together for a while and
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  Speaker 1: this was all going on while she was engaged to
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  Speaker 1: the guy that you know that she claims she got
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  Speaker 1: the ring from the man who gave her this ring.
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  Speaker 1: She was cheating on him, meeting him with Elijah Shaeffer,
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  Speaker 1: and Elijah Shaeffer was sheeting on his wife, to be fair,
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  Speaker 1: So they were both doing this really stupid thing. And
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  Speaker 1: let me look at the I got a timeline here
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  Speaker 1: of events here because this is like a lot so
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  Speaker 1: all right, just read. Yeah, So the drama between Elijah
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  Speaker 1: Shaeffer far right, podcaster Riff TV, CEO of Vocal advocate
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  Speaker 1: for traditional family values and Sarah Stock, a conservative Catholic
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  Speaker 1: influencer supposedly with form our Rift TV contributor exploded in
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  Speaker 1: early February of this year, so basically like in the
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  Speaker 1: last couple of days, it centers on allegations of a
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  Speaker 1: month's long This is from February of last year, so
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  Speaker 1: like a year almost a year close year extramarital affair
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  Speaker 1: between the two which surfaced the mid Shaeffer's divorce from
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  Speaker 1: his wife, Kezia. He points from the reports and leaks
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  Speaker 1: Milo Yanapolis, So Milo's Yanapolis who is the guy who
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  Speaker 1: broke the story on this posted threads and audio recordings
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  Speaker 1: claiming the affair began in February of twenty twenty five
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  Speaker 1: at Seapack, lasted about six months, involved heavy drinking and
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  Speaker 1: some drugs, pregnancy scares, and at least one alleged abortion.
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  Speaker 1: Stock allegedly worked for Schaeffer. RIFFTV leaked audio purportedly features
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  Speaker 1: Stock describing the relationship and expressing guilt slash regret while
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  Speaker 1: reflecting blame towards intoxication and pressure from Schaeffer. So so
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  Speaker 1: she got caught and then in like some recordings I
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  Speaker 1: have them here. This is the thing that really pissed
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  Speaker 1: me off. Actually, I'm gonna see if I can find
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  Speaker 1: this here. I think it's uh, there's a video of
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  Speaker 1: Milo shared in in the video, I'm trying to find it. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: here it is socks husband has met Shaeffer many times,
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  Speaker 1: but did not know about their sexual relationship when he
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  Speaker 1: proposed here's the Milo thing. Uh. In this recording, Stock
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  Speaker 1: can be heard admitting to the affair, adding that she
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  Speaker 1: does not plan to tell her husband about it. So,
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  Speaker 1: I know this is really bad audio.
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  Speaker 2: It might be maybe turn it up a bit.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, I can't. I got it maxed out. But
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  Speaker 1: I can read the transcript.
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  Speaker 2: Of Yeah, just read the but don't use your squeaky boys.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, I'm just gonna talk normal. So this is
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  Speaker 1: what she said, Okay, And this is why I think
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: this is crazy right here. So we have two people
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: they engage in extra marital fair. Okay, that's straightforward messed up.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: But it happens, Okay, and I condemn that obviously as
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: behavior goes, it's terrible. But when she's caught her side
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: of the stories, since she's like allowed to like spill
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: her guts on this I think gets a lot darker,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: so she says, but it obviously was my fault too,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: what happened between us. So she's like, oh, yeah, I'm
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: not I'm I'm I'm like at fault to some degree here.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: But even that was like not like I don't know,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I felt like it was like so she's very like
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: talking really weird, like he got me very intoxicated, Like
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: I don't even like remember most of it. And I
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: was even like thinking back because it was like at
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Seapack the two nights, okay, and he's like you're and
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: then somebody else, she says, And the second night I
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: was breaking out in a rash and so he's like, oh,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: get get some benadrill, It'll help with the rash. And
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: now I'm thinking back and it's like, that's probably why
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: I blacked out, because he like intentionally gave me Benadrille
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: and he like sent me a bunch of shots and stuff,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: and it's like stupid on my part to go along
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: with that, you know.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, wait wait, can I just get clarification? All right?
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: How long was this relationship? Months? It was like six months, yeah,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: six months, and it started at seapack, Okay, I saw
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: last night. I see what she's Okay, friends, No, she's
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: she's probably going to be this is going to get deeper.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Is it going to get deeper? And this is a
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: little bit disturbing. She's probably going to frame this as
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: the beginning of a Stockholm like relationship where he sectually
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: violated her at seapack. And and I can see the
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: movement of what she's saying here too. She starts with, oh,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: he's like, get some benadryl, It'll help with the rash.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: And then he moves to because she he like, intentionally
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: gave me benadryl. Okay, so he told you to get
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: some benadryl to help with your rash. And then it
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: suddenly becomes he intentionally gave me benadryl. You see what
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: this happened at the throat.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Being fun, No, this is absolutely being and this was
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: like a private conversation between her and this other guy
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: that was actually leaked afterwards. So and in the recording,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: the other guy is so simpy man, so simpy. He's
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: just like, oh, yeah, totally get it. Oh that's really
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: messed up that happened to you. I'm so sorry. Like
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I'm just like dude, he could be lying through her
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: teeth right now, just about oh, he did this to me,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: even though we did. We're doing this for six months,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: and I'm really upset that, you know, Bill.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Ball says, that's grape. If true, it's grape if she
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: took benadryl and then she took alcohol like shots and shots,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah right. I mean the thing is that this is
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: now what he said, she said, and this the timing
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: is extremely suspicious of this allegation. She the relationship has
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: found out, the cheating is found out. This is exactly
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: when the allegations start, exactly when the allegations start, and
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: now there's no way to determine what happened. It's a
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: he he said.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: It's her word against his, her word against his, yes,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: and her word will trump his. That's what I'm saying.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: When I saw this, I was like, this is tremendously irresponsible,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: but consequence free for her. She can just say this stuff.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: And this is why I zeroed in on this particular
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: bit of drama because I see a very dangerous threat
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: narrative being created, Like right when she said, oh, he
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: gave me some thing for my allergies, for my rash
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: and I blacked out. I don't remember. I guess something happened.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Oh no, you know, and that And this is like
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: six months into a you know, like a sexual relationship.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: And when I think about all and look, I know
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: this is anecdotal, but I think about all of the
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: times that I've interviewed falsely accused military personnel, and many
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: of the stories I've seen on college campuses, like you know,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: brock Turner for example, of people getting you know, girls
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: basically getting wasted or just not getting wasted, doing drugs
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: or just sleeping with men and they're cheating on their
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: boyfriends or they're cheating on their husbands, which in the
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: military happens a lot, you know, like like military guys
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: they go to short leave or something, they come, you know,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: they're overseas and there are women there and they're basically
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: there to pick up military dudes. And when and those
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: women are often married or in serious committment relationships, and
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: when they think they're gonna get caught, they what do
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: they do? Well it either I get caught and I
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: lose my husband or I lose my boyfriend, or I
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: can say that that guy raped me. And that's what
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: they do like, like almost every story that I have had,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: every anecdote where I've had a guy in the military
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: who got completely screwed over and went to jail or lost,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: you know, disarmy, be discharged, put on a sex offender registry,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: almost every one of those involves a woman who is
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: disloyal got caught and basically said, I'm gonna make this him.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna make him the perpetrator and myself the victim,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: and not only will I not lose my marriage, but
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I'll also be like basically treated better by extension because
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I've done this, and so I see this happening right here.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: This is like I see that, Like that's what it
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: looks like to me. Again, you know, we don't like
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna happen, because from what I understand,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: both Sarah Stock and Analyzah Schaeffer have basically like disappeared
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: from the internet for now. Milo told Elijah to go,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: you know, take a break and get some help some
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: like rehab or something. But yeah, Sarah Stock just out
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: of embarrassment from what I understand, just like left the internet.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: And but I mean, like, if this victimhood story goes
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: through though, she'll be back, because then she's gonna come back,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: not just come back, she'll come back with fanfare. We'll
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: throw parades for her because she exposed like or she
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: might come back and be like a feminist all of
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: a sudden, like like, you know, come back as a
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: feminist hero for exposing the far right and they're rapeye ways,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: in the same way that Lauren Southern did when she
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: made her big expose a video exposing the men's rights
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: movement and provided no receipts, just made a bunch of
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: claims and just through the whole MRM under the bus
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, now now you know, she's
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: got her own little she's got her own little parades
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: as well. So this is why I stuck to this now.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: And I will say also that, yeah, I mean, like
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: women are the same everywhere, so don't like the whole Like,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: if there's a woman online and she's like in her
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: late twenties or thirties and she claims to be trad
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: she's probably not, So just stay away from them. I'm
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: just saying, like, you know, that's another thing to look
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: out for. So the story is basically that, I mean,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Milo said here he said, I'm in touch with Elijah.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I told him to get off the internet for a
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks and go back to rehab. It's better
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: for everyone to just rip the band aid off. So
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I'll share with you over the next few hours the
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: info during the rounds in piet private. I'm not going
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: to go into that that stuff. I just wanted to
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: show you all what had happened. So The Pearl did
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: a victory lap on her channel because she said she
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: called it. She said, Sarah Stock is fake. She's using
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: men to like uphold a brand to grow on social media,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: because social media is what for women, it's call of duty.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: So she was using it to raise her platform and
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: it worked and then like now that she's caught, she left,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: but she'll probably come back. So this is what I think.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: The the that I mean that I took from it
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: is like specifically the this suggestion of a the implication
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: she's making. And she she's very she's very careful not
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: to like overtly make a like an accusation, because then
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: she'd have to prove it. But if she just implies something,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: then she has enough plausible deniability that she can back
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: off of it. If it starts to look too sketchy,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: but no one can say that she actually said that.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: She's just allowing people to come to their own conclusions
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: by saying, Hey, I took Benadryla and I was drinking
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: and I blacked out and I don't know what happened.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I guess we had sex. I don't know. And then
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: people because they they buy in this this feminist narrative
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: of like, if the woman is drunk, it's rape, so
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: like they're just gonna go along with it. This is
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: like the thing that she's doing.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the and then somehoww six months of
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: effective cheating disappears. And the thing is that if you
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: allow this, this entire sequence of events to be true
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: in the way that it looks like she might be,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: you know, testing the waters to make it so, then
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: you can't accept women as actors. You can't accept the
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: fact that they can sign contracts or take credit or
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: get jobs. Because I'm gonna tell you why. All right,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Let's assume for the sake of argument, that there was
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: some you know, shady coercive things going on by Elijah,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: and that she did engage in this in seapac Is
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: she not responsible for the next six months of staying
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: with him like that, and if this this unpleasant experience,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: you know, she does not seem to have any responsibility
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: to inform people of it when it happens, when the
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: police could do something about it, and we probably still can,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: but it would be in a situation where it's not
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: going to be protecting other women or men or whoever
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Elijah's going after. Right, she didn't do that, right, She
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: just sat on it. She continued to have a relationship
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: with him. Okay, if a woman can't know her own
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: mind enough to recognize criminal behavior and be responsible for
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: continuing to engage with this person on a sexual level
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: in the context of hurting another person, because this isn't
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: just her having a six month fling with this guy.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: She was obviously in a very serious relationship with the
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: man who eventually proposed to her, who apparently thought she
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: was a virgin, this one detail that I.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Heard, and she claimed to be when she was on
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: whatever podcast, But according to the timing of that, it
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: was impossible that she would have been a virgin. She
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: was just that. Yeah, I'm saying she's lying. Yes, what
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: she is for clout, She's not trad at all.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Let me just finish my statement.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Fruits you shall know them, but go ahead, okay.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Like she she is in this relationship, the serious relationship
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: that's moving towards marriage, while she's having this torred affair
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: with this other man who she alleges started with some
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: kind of sexual impropriety at Seapack, and she has no
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: sense of responsibility, like, yes, this is this is this
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: what she's presenting. If people are going to allow her
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: to present this as a plausible narrative, they have to
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: have a particular attitude about the women's brains that they
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: are frail, incapable, and irresponsible. Because if she is having
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: this negative sexual experience at Seapack and it results in
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: a six month torred affair while she is in a relationship,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: a serious relationship with another man, she has no sense
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: of response. At the very least, at some point she
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: should have recognized if it really did happen as a
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: result of some kind of sexual trauma, she is hurting
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: another person by continuing to engage with this man who
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: allegedly did this traumatic thing to her. Does she have
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: no responsibility to the man who's supposedly in love with her,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: and she's gonna marry, no sense of responsibility to anybody
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: else she could protect from this predatory man, alleged predatory man.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: If allowing that her story is true, like she, you're
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: essentially to allow this as an acceptable behavior. You are
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: accepting that women do not operate at the level of
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: an adult man. They don't even operate at the level
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: of a twelve year old child, right, because people wouldn't
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: allow a child to say, well, blah blah, this happened
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: to me. That's why I had to I had to
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: be mean to Susie for six months, why I had
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: to continue to steal from You're still responsible for your
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: unethical behavior, Like that's really unfortunate that what he did
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: in Seapack, that doesn't excuse if it is indeed true,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: that does not excuse you cheating on your husband, on
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: your fiance, or on the man who would become your fiance.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: That doesn't excuse it, and in fact, it makes it
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: incredibly confusing, Like why would you continue to be in
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: a relationship with a man, okay, who puts you through
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: some kind of sexual trauma. When you're in a relationship,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: a serious relationship with another man, you have no sense
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: of responsibility to that betrayal of the other man, none whatsoever. Again,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: it makes women's brains out to be not even human,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: just cockroach level of stimulus response. And it's disgusting. People
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: who will excuse this woman on these grounds are disgusting.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Their thoughts about women are disgusting because you are not
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: allowing her an advanced cognitive behavior, advanced morality, and holding
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: her to the standard of ethics and morality. You don't
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: fucking do that. You especially don't do that as a
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: result of some dude being traumatic towards you, like, good lord, Like,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: why didn't she couldn't say no? She couldn't say no
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: knowing that another person, a man, was being harmed. A
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: man was being.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Harmed like the man that she's supposed to commit herself.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: A man was that in that situation. Okay, so leagind
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: it was Elijah, all right? Oh, she fed me up benadrill.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Oh she told me to have get a benadryl for
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: a rash. That meant she forced it on me, and
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: then she got me drunk, and then she straddled me
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: and had her way with me. And that's why I
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: couldn't leave her for six months and that's why I
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: had to hurt my female fiance. Now they would buy it.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: And that's the I'm talking about. That is the gap.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: It is insulting, it is disgusting. It is wrong to
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: have this gap in our expectations of responsibility. She has
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: responsibility to her husband, She has responsibility to his feelings.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: She has responsibility to her faith if she has it.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: She has responsibility to her ethical structure. And that does
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: not change because something happened at Seapack. He told me
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: that Benadru would help this rash, which means he gave
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: it to me, he threw shoved it down my throat.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: One does not follow from the other. And also being
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: excused for your unethical behavior does not follow from the
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: allegation either.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: There's another layer to this that has to also be considered,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: because this has also been coming up a lot. And again,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: these people are using feminist ways of knowing to decide
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: on the guilt or innocence of the people involved. Even
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: if they claim to be conservative, they are applying a
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: feminist lens to their ideas, which is inherently the opposite
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: of that. And I'll give you another example, because it's
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: not just the fact that he offered her Benadrill, according
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: to her testimony, which again we don't even know if
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: any of that's true, and that it supposedly made her
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: blackout and she didn't know what happened after that. She
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: just knew that suddenly six months went by and she
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: got pregnant at some point apparently had to get an abortion,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: even though she was really against abortion. But anyway, but
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: not just that, but also there was a power dynamic
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: at play as well, because Elijah Shaeffer was her boss,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: and this is another element that's being talked about, like, well,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: he was in a position of authority over her. This
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: was this is this is what feminists describe as, you know,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: another form of sexual assault.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: It's like if there if your boss is like making
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: moves on you, then that's basically just you know, untoward.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Even though and the weird thing about this is that
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: women are often drawn to men who have power over them.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: But anyway, that this is like another element of that,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: you know, So it's not just he gave me benadreull,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: but it's also he had authority over me, like in
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: a business relationship, and I just can't separate these things.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: So this is what I'm saying, like, DC, do you see,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: like why this is an interesting case study of like
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: the things we talk about and how these people, just
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: like the replies to Pearl's original comment about the ring
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: were all against her because Pearl had a black ex boyfriend,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: and you had all these like groyper types in the
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: chat calling her all kinds of names because they think
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: that Sarah Stock won even though those all those posts
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: aged like fucking milk, they're all shit now because guess what,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what color the woman is. It doesn't
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: matter what color the man is. The problem is the
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: way that women act and what we allow, what we permit,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: what we like put up with, no matter what color
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: they are, no matter what they stand for, no matter
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: what they wear around their neck, whether it's a fucking
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: DreamCatcher or a cross. If we aren't treating women like adults,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: we're gonna get the same shit. So yeah, good luck
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: with that. And of course, you know, the wignats, they
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: don't know how to they don't have an answer that question.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I've been talking to them about it forever and they're
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: still like, please don't go after the women. It's the
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: brown people. It's like, no, No, it's your women. It's
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: your women. Sorry, if you don't do something about your women,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: none of this of the shit matters, you're just gonna
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: be extinct. So you got to think about that. But yeah,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: they're not ready because they're too afraid. Everyone's really afraid
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: to touch this. I know Brett Weinstein and his wife
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Heather Haying, they've just started to be like, Okay, so
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: there's a thing something going on with women, but they're
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: being so careful. It's like they're walking in a land
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: like a land minefield, like a minefield, and they're trying
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: not to explode. And so they're talking about this now,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: which we'll be doing for ten years, and they're like, Okay,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: how do I do this well without destroying my career
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: everything that I've built. Well, guess what, people, you're gonna
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: have to blow it up. You just got to blow
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: it up.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Thirteen years for Honey Badger Radio yep, about twelve years
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: for me Brian on Honey Badger Radio, I think, and
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: twenty three years for me on the internet talking about
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: this stuff and analyzing it. And yeah, no, you're absolutely right.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: It's not the brown people, it's women. And if you
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: do not can like, the problem.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Is ever also, not the white people, it's just women, Like,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: it's the women. No, I'm serious, it's the woman question.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: It's always been the woman question. It's not the Jews,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: it's not the Muslims, it's not the Latinos, it's it's
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: not the Negroes, it's not the you know, the the
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: porch monkeys, whatever, it's none of those. It's just the women. Guys,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: just like drill down and be like, wait a minute,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: why are our birth rates in the toilet? Is it?
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Is it because of immigrants? Is it because of the poores?
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Is it because of the Jews? Is it because of
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: the elites? Is it because of porn?
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: Is no? No?
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Wait, none of those things produce children. Men and women do.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Maybe one of those things is missing. Well let's look,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Oh well men they all want kids. I've looked at
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: the data. All of them want kids, They want to
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: be married, they want a family. Huh, well, I guess
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: that's it. Then somehow men aren't doing enough. Then just
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: we're gonna look over here. Can't do that? No, whoa
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: what are you trying to do? Get lose your job?
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: You know? Say what if you want to learn who
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: rules over you.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Who can't criticize, Like.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look at who you can't you are not allowed
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: to criticize. Yeah, And of course women will be online
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: saying they get criticized all the time, but it's enough.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: You don't change your behavior.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: So yeah, exactly, it's not sufficient. Apparently, Yeah, it's just
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: not sufficient. And this is goes everywhere. Like I I
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: on the main channel, I put up a a analysis
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: of the silver market because that is where a lot
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: of this stuff. In my opinion, I in about twenty
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: twenty I said that not addressing men's issues and doing
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: what we are doing to men is going to cause
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: the system to start to collapse. And interestingly enough, I
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: believe that the silver market is where it's starting. And
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: if I could just have your moment just to just
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: to squirrel, let me squirrel, I gotta squirrel, all right.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: So what I'm seeing is the financialization of a commodity,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: which means that people start thinking that distributing the commodity
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: is what creates the prosperity and the wealth, and they
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: stop caring about the men who are making it. And
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: when they stop caring about the men who are making it,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: they start pushing down on them and creating destructive situations
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: that these men can't navigate, which ends up destroying their
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: ability to make the very commodity that is supposed to
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: be marketed by these financial regulators. And that's what's happening.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: And that is an expression of this kind of bluestocking femininity,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: because that kind of femininity denies men's right to their
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: male moral frame, which is about consequences in the physical world.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: It's about systems, it's about boundaries and policing, right, And
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: when you do that, you look away from what's productive
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: and what is foundational to that productivity, and you start
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: to get into this magical thinking about finance, financialization creating productivity,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: and it's just it's just really like, this is deep.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: And I know that I'm only giving you a really
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: brief overview, but our inability to say to women know
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: means that they have brought this attitude, this kind of
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: magical thinking, this suspicion of oversight and boundaries and this
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: over emphasis on trying to protect the vulnerable everywhere. And
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Helen Andrews is starting to bring this out more in academia,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: but it's everywhere. Academia exported it into the financial industry.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: It exported it into government. It exported it into NGOs. Law, yeah, law,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: It exported it everywhere, this kind of thinking and everywhere.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: It exported it into the publishing industry and everywhere. It's
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: actually grinding down and destroying the structures that allow our
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: society to function and allow it to be productive. And
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: that's big. So, yes, we absolutely need to be able
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: to call out women, and we on an individual level,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: but we also have to recognize that as a group,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: women bring certain adaudes to the workforce, and those attitudes
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: are corrosive to academia. They're corrosive to the financial the
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: commodities markets. They are corrosive to business and government and
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: law and publishing. They're corrosive and we can't recognize that.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: And honestly, I don't what the solution to this is.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it probably will involve expecting
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: women to take responsibility for themselves individually and their instincts
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: to do to do things that are destructive and damaging, right,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: and to do it out of a desire to feel
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: self righteous over men, because that's the real thing. What
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: they're exporting is this feeling that women's ways of knowing
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: are far superior to men's, you know, crass cynicism and
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: thinking that you can't have your cake and eat it too,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: and magical thinking doesn't work.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: That's that's part of it. It's a huge part of it,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: and something that women seem to be drawn to. So, yeah,
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: there needs to be some kind of oversight that tells
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: women to shut up and occasionally submit and submit sometimes
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: and listen to men. I wonder what that could have been,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: you know it. But yeah, it's it comes down to
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: the ability, the emotional ability to hold women accountable, to
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: hold them accountable on an individual level and a systemic level,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: because men have been held accountable on a systemic level
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: since the Epic of Gilgamesh, and probably well before, because
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: that's a written down version of some some auditory like
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: some language, some narrative, oral tradition. Okay, so the Epic
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: of Gilgamesh was likely many many, many millennia older than
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: when it was written down like in cuneiform. Right, So
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: that is something that represents our desire to make sure
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: men take responsibility for their stemic effects of their nature
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: and in their nature. And we where is our where
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: is our epic of Gilgamet, Like we need an epic
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: of Gilgamet so that women know that they also have
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: to take responsibility for themselves on a systemic level and
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: an individual level. All right, let's keep going.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: And uh, like, the last thing I'll say about this
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: is that, well, the one person that we haven't checked
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: in on because we can't is the actual like husband
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: of Sarah Stock, who is learning all this.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Through the air the lord the worst way.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably the worst way possible. And look, man, my
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: heart goes out to you. I I think it's absolutely
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: it's probably like just devastating, you know, just devastating. But
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: I hope that you will learn something from it, uh,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: because it's not. And the thing another thing that I've
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: seen too, is that there's a lot of like, you know,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: people that were for a long time, a lot of
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: these like old like online boomers that would be like
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: just go to church and meet a nice girl at church.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: No like that, and a lot of like zoomer guys
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: have been saying this Jonathan, the name is Jonathan Doyle,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: not your husband. Another guy with the same name who
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: makes content on YouTube, who's a young guy, and he's like, yeah,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: it's the church is not there. That's not really a
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: guarantee as in some others as well. So like you're
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: just gonna have to learn how to vet women and yeah,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: you know what you're gonna have to do is maybe
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: take some lessons from the manisphere and some red pill
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: guys men's maybe they know something, you know.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Men's activists, take some lessons, That's what.
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: I'm saying the manisphere, which, yeah, I think we should
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: probably separate ourselves out from not because I have a
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: problem with the Manisphere, but because I think our analysis
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: vector is a bit different.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, well yeah, sure MRAs then yes.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: No, all, always always consult your local MRA. Yeah, before
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: before taking any kind of act of contractual creating any
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: kind of contractual activity with a woman. All right, Yeah,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: I feel for this guy too, Like this has got
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: to be the absolute worst and most disgusting way for
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: a person to learn about this at humiliation plus betrayal
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: plus a loss of presumably on a relationship that he
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: valued enough to put a ring on it. What what
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: what a what a freaking what a freaking goblin this
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: woman is. Okay, let's let's keep So should we move
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: on to the next topic Now that we wrung this one.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Out well since we're on Yeah, so basically I said
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: everything I wanted to say about the Pearl thing. Not Pearl,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: but the Sarah Stock Elijah Shaeffer thing. You know, just like,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: just don't keep it in your pants. Guys, it's not
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: going to work out for you. Just it's not. It's like,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, there's no pussy good enough for all that heartache,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: and you married someone you should have just stuck with her.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on with Elijah's I know
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: his wife left him, but I think that was before
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: this happened, so that might be like another story, or
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: at least that's what the timeline suggests. I could be wrong,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: but okay, anyway, so now we're gonna look at something
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: that started a while ago. Pearl Davis again. She did
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: a debate on She did a debate on this debate show.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: I don't remember what it's called World War debate. I
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: think it's it's a little bit cringe. But and the
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: debate didn't go well for Pearl, But I think that
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: that's more about the the fact that Pearl didn't She's
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: not really a debate person. So let me just put
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: that on the screen and I will find the time codes.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: So you do you want me to get that one
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: section or look at the opening statements or what what
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: do you want to do?
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: We can look at the open How would you like
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: to structure this? Do you think it's valuable to look
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: at the opening statements?
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: I get yeah, I guess we could start with that,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: just to get an idea of like what their arguments are.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, they won't It shouldn't take too long, so okay, yeah,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: World War deb do that. Okay, all right, let me
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: see you try to let the other person answer. I'll
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: try to jump in as I can.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Before not have the right. All right, here we go
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: on Temple's Culture War podcast, my opponent Pearl Davis declare
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: that women aren't really doing much. We're not having kids,
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: we're not really contributing to the economy when you look
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: at output. In fact, she uses this ridiculous assertion to
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: argue that women should not have the right to vote. Hmm.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: I saw somebody in the audience was like, who.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: Has declined? And we'll revisit that in a bit. Women
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: account for forty seven percent of the American workforce. The
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: Council of Economic advisors found that women have contributed a
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: substantial portion of the US economic growth since nineteen seventy,
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: which wouldn't have been made possible without the feminist movement.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, I can kill the scene.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: Women were responsible.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's just throwing a bunch of stats and on
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: data out there, and I'll let this finish because I
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: think it's the There is something like that you can
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: learn from this, because if you're if you're going to
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: do a debate with somebody, you have to assume that
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: they're going to be prepared with this kind of stuff
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: and they're not going to go in like some pink haired,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: you know, whack job that's just gonna yell misogyny at you,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: like Anakysparian did, does her homework. But I think that
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: you can still like, there's still definitely places that you can, like,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: you know, chip away at these at these arguments because
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: they're not as strong as she thinks they are. But okay,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: let's let's keep going.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: Over nearly forty percent of total gross domestic product, amounting
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: to a whopping seven point six trillion dollars. Of course,
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: that figure doesn't include the trillions of dollars in unpaid
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: labor women do every year tending to the household, raising children,
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: and caring for ailing parents. And when it comes to
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: certain sectors of our economy, women are a dominant and
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: indispensible force, like in the healthcare industry, where they make
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: up nearly eighty percent of workers according to the Bureau
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: of Labor Statistics, that's sixteen point four million women. When
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: it comes to education, in nineteen sixty, women earned less
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: than thirty five percent of all bachelor's degrees. Today, they
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: earn roughly fifty eight percent of all bachelor's degrees, which
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: Pearl herself benefited from after graduating from Elmhurst University. Women
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: also earn over sixty percent of master's degrees. I hope
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: to hear Pearl explain how a more educated and skilled
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: population somehow translates to cultural decline, especially as we compete
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: with China in this increasingly multi.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: My fucking god, lady, oh my, is she done yet?
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Or do we have to listen more of this drivel? No?
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: I think she's about done with this. Let this? Yeah?
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Can I responder? Do we go to oh?
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, respond to her and then finish her fished? Okay, okay,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: these are opening statements, so like, uh, you know, two
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: minutes or something.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: The modern feminist movement also had a major impact on
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: decreasing domestic violence, and that's according to the US Department
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: of Justice, rates of intimate partner violence decreased by more
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: than sixty percent from nineteen ninety four to twenty ten,
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: and that's thanks to protective order statues and funding for
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: shelters beginning in the nineteen seventies and eighties.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Not only did the two express what, all right, how
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: much more of this? Okay? Can I just this is different? Alright,
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: So we're going to discuss feminist's influence on domestic violence, right,
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: but first I want to discuss women's influence on the economy.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: What did she say? She said that, uh, oh, competition
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: with China. Let's just take one element of competition of
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: China that I have actually been investigating for two months.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Oh god, this is great. This hit my frickin bingo card.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: All right, I'll just take that.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: You have to beat in ca Allison's trap card.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: I'll take one commodities market, and yes it will be silver.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be silver for a while. But the truth
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: is that this behavior is in all commodities. What has
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: happened since the two thousand and eight crisis is that
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: there has been a distinct shift in how the financial sector,
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: specifically I'm going to zero in on commodities, talks about
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: its behavior right now. What happened during the subprime crisis, well,
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: what happened prior to it is with a whole bunch
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: of banks started lending to people who didn't have the
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: collateral and the income in order to pay back their loans.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: And the justification for this was that it was a
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: it was social justice. The system had been discriminating against
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: these people because they weren't being given the right to
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: have a mortgage even though their income was not reliable
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: and the collateral wasn't sufficient. But what was really happening
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: in the financial plumbing behind that those messages was that
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: banks had developed these sets of derivatives or these financial
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: instruments to abstract risk off their balance sheets, so they
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: weren't actually going to take it on the chin if
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: these people defaulted, And in fact, the government bade a
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: bunch of guarantees to backstop all of this, so when
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: the inevitable happened, the government bailed out the banks. They
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: were backstopped. All of the people that were supposedly being
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: helped ended up with foreclosure and destroyed credit ratings, and
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: the banks just you know, they had the they capitalized
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: their gains, socialized their losses, and all of this was
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: cloaked in this rhetoric of social justice which came right
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: out of feminism.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: That's that is the vector that got, vector that got
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: that brought it into the financial system. Okay, so this
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: feminism has become not just a excuse for doing this
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: kind of funancial chicnery, it's also become a shield for it,
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: and that that contagion ended up sitting in the silver
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: market and likely all the other commodities market. Right, So
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: what ended up happening is they started using all of
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: this financialization and financial instruments, and over time the excuses
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: that oh, this is this is this is this is
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: warm and fuzzy, this is the new banking, this is
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: the inclusive banking. We're bringing women into hr we're bringing
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: women into the risk assessment, we're bringing women into the
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: law around these commodities markets, and that is that we're advancing.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: But what's actually happened is the very cultural climate, the
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: corporate cultural climate around commodities went from a business model
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: that served the men making the metal and the other
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: commodities to a business model that served the financial abstractions
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: off of those commodities. And what ended up happening is,
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: in order to preserve those those those financial complexes, those
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: gigantic complexes, they had to start sacrificing. They had to
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: start sacrificing the infrastructure of the of these of these
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: uh these commodities, the production, the refining, the mining, everything
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: started being sacrificed because they refocused on the financialization. And
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: they refocused on the financialization. The the the idea of
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: the distribution, the distribution of goods creating the prosperity directly
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: ties to financialization. It's about distributing, about creating prosperity through distribution.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: It's the same attitude, the same mentality that underlies communism, socialism, Keynesianism. Somehow,
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: if you the distribution is what creates, and that is
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: a very female attitude. It's the idea that you don't
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: understand where things come from. You don't understand, you know,
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: plant seed bread comes from a grocery store. Eggs come
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: from a grocery store. Milk comes from a grocery store.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: That kind of attitude, you don't understand that there is
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: a layer underneath the distribution where the things are being produced.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: That attitude comes out in financialization, it comes out in communism,
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: it comes out in socialism, Kenisianism, every all of these
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: things are the same thing. It's this belief that distributing
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: goods makes the goods and this denial that there's anything
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: else going on. I remember, I remember, way back when,
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: like god, this must have been twenty thirteen, there was
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: this meme going around. I don't know if you guys remembered.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: It was the was the ice cream meme? Do you
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: remember that ice cream meme? Brian? No, Okay, I'll tell.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: It wasn't really. I don't think I was on the
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: internet much in twenty thirteen.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I just described the ice cream meme. It was
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: a machine that delivered scoops of ice cream, right, and
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: it was the social justice crowd and they were it
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: was more of a it was a simpler time, so
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: it was just men versus women, very clearly at that point.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: So they had this man with an ice cream combe
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: underneath the ice cream machine and it was just delivering
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: scoops of ice cream, and he took he puts his
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: ice cream cone in the and the and the machine
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: delivered three scoops and then he ate it. And then
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: a woman comes up and she she puts her ice
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: cream cone under and she she gets a single scoop.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: And then the male character just starts crying and getting
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: angry and pissed off. And this this was shared everywhere
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: because it was like, now that women have their turn,
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: men are so upset. Oh the hellok, how upset men are?
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: And I looked at this meme and my response was,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: who's making the ice cream? Yeah, complete meltdown, complete meltdown,
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: because they didn't even conceive of that, who is making
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: the ice cream? That is the attitude behind financialzation, behind communism,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: behind socialism, behind Coynesianism, behind modern monetary theory. It's the
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: idea that the distribution creates the resource and that's all
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: you have to care about. And this has infested every
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: single financial institution, which has led to a destruction of
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: the layer that makes everything in the Americas and in
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: the West generally, so an Akasparian I have all of
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: the receipts on why women have destroyed productivity in the West,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: all of them. Exactly why, and I will be laying
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: them all out, and you are one hundred percent wrong.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: You are simply thinking in the Noah sphere that distribution creates, creates,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: creates product like things come out of distribution. Things come
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: from grocery stores.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: They don't came from isn't it isn't in the back?
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't it in the back? Yeah? Exactly.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: But the other thing is that what she's listing is
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: these aren't the necessarily the achievements of women. These are
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: the achievements of this society in allowing women to be
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: able to move in different places where they weren't able
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: to because the constraints were so hard. Infrastructure, safe places,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: you know, like you can move around the city. That
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: wasn't always the case in previous eras. So all of
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: that is pinned on men, Like she doesn't even address that, oh,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: nurses or whatever not men, Well, what about their infrastructure, policing,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: what about prisons, making sure prisons are you know, kept up?
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: You know, what about all of that, the stuff that
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: nursing relies on. What about all of that, all of
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: the products, all of the commodities and their production that
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: everything else relies on. That's almost one hundred percent men.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: And if you just look at who's being sacrificed to
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: maintain that stuff, it's almost entirely men. So and she
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: doesn't address that at all. If you don't maintain that layer,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter how many female nurses you have, or
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: women with bachelor's degrees, it doesn't matter. You know how
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: many women go to white collar jobs and write five
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: emails a day, it doesn't matter, because if that productive
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: layer destroy implodes, we're done and so go your jobs too.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: So the priority here should not be women getting degrees
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: or avocado toast jobs or being nurses. The priority should
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: always be making sure the men who make the metal,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: who deliver the electricity, who maintain the infrastructure, who protect everything,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: police and soldiers who make the commodities, that these men
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: get what they need to continue to produce what they do.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: That should be our priority, That should be our first priority.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: And she didn't even conceive of that. And also, let's
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: get this down to brass tacks. Women don't pay more
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: taxes than they take the end.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, yep, yeah, okay, So sure.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: Lis'sen is more financially resilient.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: Oh you didn't. You didn't touch on She talked about
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: how feminism, although the good that fit isn't, did for
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: domestic violence.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: Oh that's just total bullshit.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean you didn't. You didn't touch on that.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, simply simply feminism prioritizes interventions that have not been
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: shown to reduce recidivism among batterers, among male batterers, over
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: interventions that teach these batterers feminism, which in some cases
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: have led to even more violence. So feminism is sacrificing
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: female victims of domestic violence to prefer its ideology in
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: preference to its ideology. So that's utter bullshit. There may
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: have been some kind of correlation between.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: The nineties and she's saying that they opened shelters in
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: the seventies, So.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they opened shelters, and.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: Aaron Pittsy was around trying to say, hey, you know what,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: I think that this problem isn't just like a man problem,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: and then like they killed their dog, m But anyway, Yeah.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean there could be a lot of different correlations,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: like the rise of the internet gaming, like general loss
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: of all kinds of crime, like the in the between
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: the nineties and now there's been a general reduction in
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: crime at least up to the last like the twenty twenties. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: And honestly, I'm seeing the same pattern repeat over and
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: over again with when he comes to women, they take
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: over an industry and they drive it into the ground.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, they don't even have to take over an industry.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: They just have to establish themselves in choke points when
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: it comes to hiring and risk assessment and legal risk.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: They just and HR and pr They just establish themselves
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: in these choke points, and they run an industry to
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: the ground. And honestly, why would we expect anything else,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: Like I'm not gonna sit here and say, oh, women
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: are universally terrible, but when you give them a complete
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: get out of jail free card and then you let
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: them indulge their worst instincts, Like women really like when
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: I talk about financialization, with this whole idea that distribution
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: creates wealth, which is exactly the same as communism and socialism. Right,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: this is a very feminine way of thinking, and they
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: don't like, there's just this absolute problem with women in
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: terms of recognizing that men have anything valuable to say,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: So they'll destroy the men who make the commodity simply
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: because they just don't want to listen to them. Like,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: what the why is that such a problem with women?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know that. Maybe I'm also like I
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: probably have that too. I have to learn to shut up.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: It's hard, but eventually you have to otherwise you learn nothing. Okay,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: let's keep listening to.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: Women gain the ability to leave abusive relationships.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: But men still don't have it? What men still don't
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: have that ability?
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: Improved child health and educational attainment. A culture that protects
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: people from violence is not one that's indicative of cultural decline.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: Pearl herself has benefited greatly from the feminist movement thanks
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: to Title nine in nineteen seventy two, signed by Nixon.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: Of course, sex based discrimination in any.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: School pro six?
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: Do you want to know what el Sixon did? Took
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: us off the gold standard?
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm all connects.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all of it. I'm going to show you my
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: conspiracy board. No, not now, but someday, I well prohibited.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: Pearl herself had a rather impressive record playing for Elmhurst
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: University's volleyball team, having earned all conference honors as a senior.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: She later pursued professional volleyball in London. She could have
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: stayed in the United States and served in her role
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: as a traditional woman, but she didn't, And she could
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: have been the traditional, chaste woman living out her dream
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: of everything women were supposed to do.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: But well, I mean, I guess, I guess she could
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: get Pearl on she's in the public talking about these
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: things as to some kind of hypocrisy. They try to
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: do that to me too, But I've never advanced any
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: particular way of men and women living aside from recognizing reality.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you want.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: To promote a quality, actually knowing what the hell that means.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: But she is neither traditional nor chased by her own admission,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: while feminists would have no problem with.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: Her personal So I don't think Pearl's arguing for traditionalism.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: They're just arguing against feminism. But Anna thinks if you're
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: criticizing feminism, then you must be then for some imagined,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: you know, version of traditionalism that I have decided. Who
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: represents a bunch of things that you don't live up to.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: She has made a career bashing women for theirs. Critics
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: often argue that modern feminism has weakened families and resulted
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: in a lower birth rate. They tend to dismiss empirical
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: evidence demonstrating the insidious impact of the internet social media
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: on modern relationships. They also brush economic instability under the
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: rug despite young people.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: Where's the economic authority coming from? Like? Literally, you like literally,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: this whole concept of distribution creating wealth has constructed a
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: gigantic complex financialization complex that is just on top of
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: a now a tiny production and manufactory. Like I don't
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: know how to demonstrate this, like just gigantic on a
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: tiny little prop of production and manufacturing.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: Now what you're saying is I think what you're saying
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: is correct me if I'm wrong. But everything that we
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: are currently trying to produce, and this is like from
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: not just like physical products that we're making, all of
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: that accounts too, but all of the things that are
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: required to produce the things that we produce, including all
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: of the you know things that people need to like work,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: office jobs and everything else, is coming from a very
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: small number of jobs. So you have like the prerequisite
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: okay to start like a company that you would need
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: other companies as prerequisites for your company. Right, So people
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: producing metals and various raw materials and getting them from
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: somewhere and all of that, and you can't. Basically we're
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: getting we're trying to draw a lot more out from
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: very little, and we're not understanding that what we're drawing
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: from in terms of like how big of an industry
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: it is, is actually potentially too small to sustain all
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: of this like additional stuff, which a lot of it
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: can probably be cut away because you have a lot
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: of made up jobs and stuff too, Right, Is that
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: kind of what you're saying, like, yes it to build
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: what we have is too small and it needs to
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: be bigger, and we don't respect it. We don't even
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: acknowledge it exists.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, Well, here's the problem when you focus on distribution.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: When you make nine times nine jobs out of ten
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: in your society about distributing products, distributing commodities, and only
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: one out of ten making those products, making those commodities,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: establishing that infrastructure that's necessary, what do you think is
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: going to happen? Eventually? You are going to run out
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: of the things that allow people to work. You are
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: going to run out of the things of the raw
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: material and the infrastructure that feeds the rest of the economy, right,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: you see what I'm saying. It's like the the Ziggurat.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: You Now, you have this gigantic complex of eunuchs shuffling
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: around paper and harem girls justifying the the stealing goods
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: from the peasant workforce, and eventually something's going to break
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: because it's so expensive to maintain and it has so
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: little to draw from. Okay, yeah, okay, does that make sense?
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: Finances as the main reason why they're holding off on
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: marriage in the first place. In lieu of discussing those factors,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: Pearls spends much of her time discouraging men from getting
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: married in the first place. During her debate with Trent Horne,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: she declared that men are better off shacking up without
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: ever getting married, her reasoning women are too fat and
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: STD infected. You did say that she didn't stop to think, what.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Twenty five percent is a lot?
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: Twenty five of those forty five.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: No, twenty five percent, that's one out of four if
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: it's true, which I don't doubt. I mean again, like
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: if you if you celebrate promiscuity, then you're gonna get
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: what that comes with. I'm not saying that, you know,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not making like a value judgment on that. But
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: if you're a man, you don't want an STD and
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: you know that one in four women have STDs, you're
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: probably gonna avoid women or you're gonna be careful about
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: the whin the wins you get involved with. Twenty five
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: percent of women. Is that's a massive number about.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: How they contracted the STDs in the first place. Data
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: from the National Library of Medicine show that modern men
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: are just as promiscuous as modern women.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but but if if women are a twenty
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: five percent of women have an STD and we know
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: they're banging a very small percentage of men, blaming the
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: very small percentage of men for being promiscuous when their
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: promiscuity is rewarded, it's kind of silly because women also decide, yeah,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: I know we're doating the same guy, but you know,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: I don't care, right.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: So it's really hard to blame men for that. Like,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: as for the small number of men who are capable
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: of having rotating.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: Harems, it could literally be like one percent of men
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: that has an SCD and twenty five percent of women
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: who caught it from that one percent. That's that's that's
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: not that's not really an l for men, just saying
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: No, so yeah, so what does men are? What does
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: she just drivel on like this for.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: No that she just has like a bit of a
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: long women to just jump ahead or do you want
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: to hear the rest of it?
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: Well know, how much longer does it go to?
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: Let me see, let me see? Uh so she is
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: almost done, She's just about done. This is the end
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: of her.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: Thing in bad shape. And in the United States we
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: can discuss why, but feminism is not the reason.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: Very good, hie job, okay, barl. We got five minutes
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be on the clog. And that is what?
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: What did she what was the title of this that
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: feminism is what?
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: It was just a debate on a debate on feminism.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: That's it. But there wasn't like be it resolved feminism is.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: No, it wasn't. It's not that form. That's why I'm saying.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: The debate was kind of It wasn't that professional. It
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: wasn't like the Monk debates or Oxford or something like that.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: It was just like a couple of people. That's all,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: so okay, let's go all right.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: Debaters and commentators are elitists who tell average Americans from
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: their ivory towers, what do you think and how to feel?
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: My answer to this question not only comes from covering
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: current events and researching the facts, data and statistics, but
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: also in my professional experience interviewing over one thousand people
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: in America and Western nations. Feminism has given women power
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: and power corrupts and that's what's happening. Feminism is robbing
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: men of their disposable income and their prime earning years. Feminism,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: feminism has empowered women. It is empowered women to be
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: sexually promiscuous. Feminists say that they fought for women to
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: not subject themselves to the approval of men. Why then,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: are five to ten percent of women between the ages
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: of eighteen to twenty five on OnlyFans or other prostitution websites?
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: So ten percent of women between eighteen and twenty five
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: are on OnlyFans. According to this.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: There are prostitutes.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: Do you think a man? I mean, yes, there's a
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: sent born every minute. But do you think like the
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: men are drawn to those women, like that they want
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: to be with those women? I think that men are
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: becoming a lot more discerning America than.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: The female Walmart employees. One of three women will catch
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: an STD at some point in their lifetime. Ninety percent
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: will catch h phoebe, which is incurable. Feminism has empowered
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: women to abort an eighth of the world population and
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: a third of gen Z. Feminists have been so empowered
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: to commit paternity fraud. Paternity fraud is unpunished in any
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: state in the USA or any country in the West.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: If done correctly, a man will have to pay for
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: a child he was fooled into believing was his until
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: that child reaches maturity. In some states that man will
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 4: have will also have to pay for that kid's college.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: That is slavery and is forbidden under the thirteenth Amendment.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: One third of paternity tests are negative by the American
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 4: Association of Blood Banks.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: Feminisms empowered women to r yep, okay.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: So did you want to say anything about that?
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: This is a debate between two incompatible frames. Anna Kasparian
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  Speaker 2: is not going to recognize anything but women's benefit as
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: a judgment stick for anything like based on what she's saying,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: Because what Anna is basically saying in her opening speech
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  Speaker 2: is the way we judge everything is by its benefit
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: to women, Right, Yeah, and then Pearl is coming back
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: with these are the problems that have been created by
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: this form of benefiting women. I'm really I'm curious if
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: how can this cospirasion is going to respond to that,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: But I suspect that she's going to respond and a
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: way consistent with somebody who does not understand that we
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: need to consider women's effect on society, on the commodities market,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: on academia, on gaming, we need to consider women's effect
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: on comics and publishing industry, right and NGOs, and we
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: need to consider women's effect on men, right. And then
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: we need to recognize that not every single effect that
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: women have is good. And this is what this is.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: This is one what Pearl is arguing. She's she's arguing
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: that we have to recognize that not everything that women
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: do is good. Right, Anna is in the framework in
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: which the only good that can be recognized is good
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: done for women and by women. That's it the only
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: good she can recognize. So this is going to be
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: a clash of completely incompatible frames. I am curious on
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: how an Anna responds to this. But also I want
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: to make sure that we don't, you know, don't don't
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: overstay or welcome, shall we say in terms of this
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: as well. So okay, yeah, I'll.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: Play some more pearls thing.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 4: Robman of their time, their resources, their reputation, their children,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: and in the most extreme cases, their lives. They do
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: this through child support, alimony, false allegations, and paternity fraud.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: How many people in this.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: Arena have a brother, a father, an uncle, or a
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: friend who has gone through this meat grinder. Anna has
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: been on the air for fifteen years and has completely
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: obligateness to these issues.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: Well, Anna, oh, Anna corrected pearl, has set twenty Anna,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: Anna's corrected pearl.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: That's all.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, that's essentially the most important thing.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's look at the smugness that she's got. Yeah,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: she's like, I'm a pro. I don't have my I'm
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: better than you a sound bite. But yeah, she's totally
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: thinking that.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: But Jenna side of the lives of millions of men
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: standing on the sidelines of the arena. I have thirty
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: three year combat veteran Terrence Pop. He served through three
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: wars and was almost killed in two. He got married,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: had two children, and served in the.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Terrence Pop, who's at the debate in
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: the United States Army.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: Terrence Pop was deployed to Iraq in two thousand and four,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: and as a member of the airborne Infantry, he was
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: wounded by a roadside bomb and suffered a TBI and
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 4: a stroke from the blast. He was evacuated out of
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: the country and it took over two years until he
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: had recovered. While he was recovering, his wife was plotting
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: to divorce him. His wife murdered his six year old
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: chocolate lab out of spite because he filed for divorce first.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: When he confronted her, the response he got was I
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: told you I did not want you living here. At
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: this point he was forced to leave the Maryor home
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: and live out of his car. The divorce took away
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: his home, his children, and left him penniless and saddled
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: with a child support payment he could not afford. Terrence
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: had to pay one hundred and forty four thousand dollars
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: over a twelve year period for a divorce that his
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: wife was empowered by feminists to plan and execute. Terrence
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: went into court to fight for fifty to fifty custody.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: Terrence was called a murderer and an assassin an open
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: court and was given ninety six hours a month with
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: his children ninety six hours a month is not a father.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: While homeless, he spoke to many other men who would
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: never get off the streets due to child support, to
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: rearages and penalties, and the men constantly getting arrested for
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: unpaid child support, the disparage of losing his children and
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: his home, and his PTSD. In constant pain from his wounds,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: he became suicidal while at his post in two thousand
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: and eight. A former commander of his came to see
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: him to secretly say his last goodbyes. The next day,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 4: mister Popp's former commander put on his blues and went
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: to the Holy National Veteran Sanitarium blues brains out. Terrence
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: Pop was notified of the death and was shocked because
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: he was planning to commit suicide in the exact same manner. So,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: in effect, his former commander took the bullet that was
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: meant for him. Terrence Pop decided he would not kill
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: himself and has spent the last twenty years saving five
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: hundred and seventy six men from suicide with comedy.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: If you look to the left of the stage.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 4: Terrence is holding the dog tags for every live that
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: he has saved.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: Now, why am I telling you this? Shout out to Terrence.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so all right, so I got a I got
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: a super chow. Not a super chow, it's a super chat.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: I think it's a super chat.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: From well yeah, I guys, say left.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: The nine three. Who gives us one hundred and fifty enngns.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't know what an enng n is. Hummm,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: but he says, great show, thank you, and it gives
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: me like a shades smiling with shade smiley face. Thank
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: you be bud budex LEXI appreciate that. Yeah, so here's
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: the thing, just to sort of like give you guys
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: a general summary. We're gonna look at more clips here.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: But Pearl is using anecdotes. She throws some data, but
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: it's mostly like, here's some stories I've spoken to this
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: many people. And Anna is leaning into like hard what
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: she would consider to be heard statistics from this academic
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: institution or this organization. And unfortunately, the audience overall overwhelmingly
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: sided with Anna, as well as a lot of the
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: people who responded to this online, and there were even
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: points in the debate where Pearl didn't really make an
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: counter argument. I don't know if it's because she wasn't
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: prepared or whatever. But there is a challenge when you
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: use anecdotes because you can get anecdotes from anywhere, they
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: tend to not be as convincing to people as data is.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: Now you can call data into question. I think you should,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: because I don't tend to think that data is reliable.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: You know, there's that old saying lies damn lies and statistics,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: and we already know that. You know. One of the
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: things that we do on this channel is we go
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: through sort of academic studies that reveal something and we
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: often find that it's just like bullshit, or it's like
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: stuff that is citing other stuff that's citing other stuff,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: and it's all like this incestuous shit hold of like
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: bullshit studies. But they but they're you know, peer reviewed,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: and they're academically approved, and they have all the right
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: people that signed off on them, so we're just supposed
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: to treat them like like their data. So the I
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: think that the best thing to do is just employ logic.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: And if you don't have data, then you use logic.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: You can use logic and conjunction with anecdotes to say,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: you know, like why is this a problem? And that
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: would be the way to approach it. But Pearls not
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: strong on the debate side of things, so she's wrong.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: But it's just not her it's not her strength. You know,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: what were you to say, Alison said.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: She's a pundit. That's that's what they do. They use
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: anecdotes to illustrate emotional principles and and to to emotionally
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: it to illustrate an emotional narrative. Terrence pop is probably
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: something someone who touched her honestly, yeah, an emotional level
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: and said she she's bringing in that argument that kind
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: of an argument that that convinced her. And also it
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: may just be like you remember that argument that Cassie
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: j and Warren Ferrell and Warren Ferrell probably have very
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: very gently annihilated Anarkysparian here, but they they have this
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: argument on a extremely bad faith argument.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: Venue I remember that it was doctor Phil or something.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it might have been doctor Phil. And you could
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: tell the moment that Warren Ferrell realized that that he's
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: not going to get anything out and like he's not
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: gonna get anywhere with this, and he simply spent the
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: last few, like the last few seconds, like tens of
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: seconds that he had to basically tell everyone to where
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: they could find more information on their position. Remember that,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: it's like he just like just this is what you do,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: this is where you go find this, and then cut.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: And it's because he realized there was nothing, there was
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: nothing beneficial that was going to come out of it,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: out of the engagement. And maybe that Pearl doesn't think
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: anything beneficial is going to come out of her engagement
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: with Anna. So her point in being there was to
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: bring up Terrence and to bring up Terrence's work and
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: his experience, and then everything else else after that was
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: just the payment that she had to go through for
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: that initial you know, initial what she wanted to do. So, yeah,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: that may be what's happening here. And honestly, again, this
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: is the thing is that the other complexity of this
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: is they're working in two different frameworks. Pearl is working
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: in a framework where women's actions can be bad and
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: benefiting women can result in bad things. Anna is working
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: in a framework where she only recognizes good at flowing
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: from women and only recognizes that good should flow from
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: flow to women and from women, and that's it, right,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: So these are two different frameworks. Anna can bring whatever
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: data that she wants, but it's likely that it's only
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: going to exist and within that particular framework and supporting
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: that particular framework. So that's why I say, it's like,
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: this is a debate between two incompatible frameworks. But let's uh,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: how much longer does Pearl go for?
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: I can look at the I have the transcript here,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: so all right, there's a little bit left.
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  Speaker 4: Now. Why am I telling you this because men and
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: American veterans are put in this position because of the
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: empowerment that feminists like Anna have pushed for. There are
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 4: millions of men that have died in this country from
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: the political power that feminism pushes since nineteen seventy and
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: estimated one point six million men have committed suicide.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: And wait, wait, why didn't she get as much.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: Time course in family court as what?
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: Why is he calling time? It's hardly as much time
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: as Anna.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: God, I don't know, I don't know.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: Hard is there fighting for abortion, working or becoming sex workers?
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: Thank you? Let's think what Let's see what Anna's response is,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: because again I think it's incompatible frameworks operating.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is gonna be It's gonna be a heavy one.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: We're gonna go now to the opening interrogations. We have
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: ten minutes. Do we have that on the clock. Yeah,
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: it's fading in right there. Okay, and take it away.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: Ten minutes, oh good lord, ten minutes of.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: Er whoever wants to begin.
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  Speaker 3: Aside from the specific anecdote that you shared, which of
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: course is tragic, can you cite some actual studies that
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: look at the statistics and back up what you say
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: in regard to the outcomes of marriage and divorce in America?
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: Source is basically what she says.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: What does Pearl come back with? Because I can rattle
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: that off the top of my head.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 4: Of one hundred and nine rave cases reported to police
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 4: and a Midwestern city were admitted to be false by complaints.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: In one mid Western city, and which Midwestern city was that.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: You know, you can go from your ivory tower, and.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: I'm not in an ivory tower. I'm on this debate
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: stage interrogating your assertions and you've only provided an anecdote.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: Well, no, she just provided an assertion. God, this is
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: really like, they're not going to get anywhere with this.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: And honestly, I wouldn't even provide the assertion. I would
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: just nail Anna on can we acknowledge that society also
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: has a duty to men and that women also have
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: a duty to men, because if she doesn't enter the
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: framework where these things are important, then there's no discussion
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: to be had. Like it's like you just can't She's
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: just in another universe and you're discussing the interior realities
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: of a universe that she can't even comprehend or acknowledge exists.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: But I mean, if you want data on all of
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: the things that men face, I'm not gonna listen. I
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: think everybody listening to me knows that I could rattle
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: off thirty forty minutes right here. If I was on
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: the stage of statistics and statistical analysis on the problems
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: that are facing men, right I could do that. But
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: the real issue here is what this. The person that
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: I'm talking to has to recognize that the only judgment,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: the only legitimate it's not the it's not the old
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: has to recognize that believing the only way, the legitimate
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: way to judge reality or statistics or data or anecdotes
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: or anything is not just does it benefit women and
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: does it flatter women? And if you can't establish that,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: then where do you go from there? Might as well
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: just walk off and be like, Okay, well we live
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: in different worlds, Enna, hopefully your world doesn't implode. You
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: believe that we don't have to care about men. We
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: don't have to consider their situation, we don't have to
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: consider their needs. And by extension, what's really interesting about
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: that behavior is that we don't have to consider what
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: the industries that they generally are employed in that our
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: majority male need as well. This is the funny thing.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: It doesn't just stop with what men need, you know,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: domestic violence against men, sexual assault against men, all of
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: these other issues that men face as men. I'm also
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: finding out that industries that our majority male don't get
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: a say and what they need to continue to exist,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: They don't get a say, They get silenced. So we
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: are silencing our the men who produce the commodities, men
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: who produce the metal, the men who deliver the electricity.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: We're silencing all of these industries that are majority male.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: We're treating them as like an infinite good that can
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: never be expended, and if they do have any complaints,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: they're just toxic labor bros or something. Right. So this
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: is what I'm seeing. And if you think, Ana Casparian,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: that that is a framework that will continue to produce
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: a prosperous society, I invite you to just live with
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: the results of it, because we are doing We are
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: living through that now. We are living through the results
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: of ignoring the men who make our world possible. We
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: are living through it now. Howelujah to us. Maybe that's
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: the wrong thing to say. Yeah, So framework frameworks reality,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: Like when you have these, she has a framework. She
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: has a framework of what is important and what isn't important,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: and what can't even be spoken of. And these frameworks
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: meet a reality and the eye of the frameworks either
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: work in that reality or they fail. And sometimes people
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: just need to go through the failure condition. They just
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: need to go through the pain before they realize that
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: their framework does not work. And that's all I can
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: say is that maybe only pain can redeem this this
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: kind of attitude. All right. By the way, guys, feed
• 1:35:35
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• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: Feed the badger dot com slash just the tip. Do
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: you eat? Okay, let's keeping look at the data which
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: Of course, you'll find that women are twice as likely
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: to fall into poverty after divorce, right because the alimony
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: is paid out in ten percent of According to the
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: Census Bureau, the average child support payment is four hundred
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: and forty one dollars a month.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: And only that's two men who have like multiple babies
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: and exist in poverty. And also women default more often.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: And the real thing is that men actually get hit
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: worse after divorce initially, but they recover. Okay, and they
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: recover because nobody's giving them handouts. Let's keep going.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: Percent, but those payments get paid out how much? Women
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: do not get child custody ninety percent of the time,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: as you have asserted before. In fact, ninety five percent
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: of custody cases are mutually agreed upon outside of the courtroom.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: Women get full custody.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: Of the time.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: Was it?
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: Wait, wait.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: A second, she's establishing the frame again. That's exactly what
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: she's done. I even got sucked into it. So she's
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: re establishing that the only thing that matters is what
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: happens to women. Okay, maybe these are problems that women face, right,
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: maybe they are more poor after divorce. Shouldn't get divorced then,
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: but you know, maybe maybe they have more post divorce regrets,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: presumably until they get married to a new guy. But
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: what whatever, let's allow that. How does that negate what
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: Pearl said? Can you explain that, Brian? It doesn't if.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: If if ninety if a' overhelm majority of people basically
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: just come to an agreement outside of court. Maybe it's
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: because the men don't want to pay for lawyers, maybe
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: they can't afford them. Yeah, but maybe they're just going along.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they got legal advice and lawyer said, dude,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: it's not worth it. She's going to take everything, just
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: make it agree with her, work it out, like she's saying,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: because what she's implying by that study is that it's
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: consensual and they both made an agreement and they're both
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: happy with their decision. But I don't think that's how
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: it goes. I think that in my I mean, I again,
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: it's anecdotal, but the guys I know that had gone
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: through a divorce, they didn't go through the courts because
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: they didn't want to pay even more fees on top
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: of everything else. So they just said, Okay, we're just
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: gonna like figure out how to split these things and
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: I'll take care of you and I'll do this, and
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: they just work out an agreement because they don't want
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: to pay the additional costs of lawyers and they know
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: that it's not going to work out for them anyway.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: So they're just like throwing money into a hole because
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: they're not going to get the kids, they're not going
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: to get the house, they're not gonna get you know.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: The anis will try to work it out, and then
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: in a lot of those cases, the women go and
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: lawyer up behind their backs anyways because they know they
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: will get more. They're like, well, I can get more
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: if I lawyer up. O fuck him. So I'm just
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: saying like this, like she's making a claim that there
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: is a oh, Pearls just butting her nose into personal business.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: These people they're figuring this out on their own. But no,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: that's why she's not letting Pearl talk, because Pearl does
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: know that it's not as simple as that. Basically, here's the.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: Other thing, all right, can I okay, here's another reframing.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: First of all, okay, so what all right, Yeah, maybe
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: women do are worse off. Does that justify only looking
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: at issues that face women. Does that justify saying that
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: women are the only ones who have problems, therefore we
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: don't need to look at the problems facing men because
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: that's framework, that's her framework. She's essentially saying this stuff
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: as her framework. She's denying the divorce. But here's the
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: other thing. When shared custody, which was a men's issues position,
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: is adopted, not only do women divorce less, they are
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: less stressed after in the case that they do divorce,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: and they are also financially better off. So this is
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: a problem that has a solution, and that solution is
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: to include men in the equation. So any kind of framework,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: feminist framework that excludes men also harms women. So I mean, yeah,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: sure you can, Yes, Hannah, you can bring up all
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: women are harmed by divorce, but I got a solution
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: that includes men. And the only way that you can
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: prevent this is by including men. So your framework is
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: still wrong. You can bring up all the women's issues
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: you want, or in this case, your framework is still
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: wrong because it doesn't address them either.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: Yep, Okay, all right.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: Men do get full custody twenty percent of the time
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: and forty percent of the time it's shared custody, which
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 3: I think is the ideal situation, assuming that neither spouse
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: is abusive.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: I think the ideal situation as them staying together.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: But okay, and in perolcuse before you respond, if you
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: could take your microphone out and hold it, it would be
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: easier to hear you.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, he's too tall. Yeah.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: This is what she said, was that men get custody
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: twenty percent of the.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: Time forty percent. I think if they ask for it,
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: or if they fight for it. She's saying, Yeah, that's horrible.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: Most of the time they don't. They don't fight for
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: it because their lawyers tell them, don't bother like they're like,
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: they're not, they.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: Don't, well do.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: But that's just that. And also that's a horrible statistic
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: because the men who usually fight have reasons for doing so,
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: for fighting for soul custody. Yeah, that is not That
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: is not a fair That is not a fair comparison,
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: because often when I looked at these studies that show
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: that men are more likely to win custody, they indicate
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: that this is in a situation where often social services
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: have gone to the father and said you got to
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: get this kid out or your kid's gonna die. Your
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: ex wife is going to kill the kid, and the
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: father goes and he's fighting for custody in those circumstances.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: And when you understand that there is a high percentage
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: of men fathers who fight for soul custody in those circumstances,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: the fact that they win it only fifty percent of
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: the time is terrifying. Terrifying. Right, And the women who
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: fight for soul custody, because they compare the population of
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: men who fight for soul custody to the population of
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: women who fight for soul custody. The women who fight
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: for soul custody are not usually fighting because the child's
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: life is in danger. There is a non insignificant minority
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: of men who are fighting because the child's life is
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: in danger.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: The women who are fighting for soul custody more often
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: are fighting because they want to establish their property rights
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: to the child. Yes, like, this is a fundamentally different
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: group of people and to compare them is is Actually
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: it's completely false. It is a failure of academic ethics. Okay, yeah,
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: boy cat is concerned or she wants my water.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 4: Alimony and medical care and dental are not covered by that,
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 4: so a lot of times it does go above fifty percent. Again,
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: you can go through the facts, the data and the
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 4: statistics and manipulate them any way that you want. There
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 4: are one point six million men in this country. Men
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: are nine times more likely to commit suicide after a.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: Divorce compare to women. What's the number for women? It's lower? Really?
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: What is it?
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: Nine times more? Are you fucking idiots?
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: So like a ninth of that? Maybe? Yeah?
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: Comparative analysis is real difficult for you, isn't it?
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: Jesus fucking Christ? What a go ahead? Pearl? What's the
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: next question?
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: You have asserted that men shouldn't get married, that instead
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: they should anna.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: Oh h men are nine times more likely to commit suicide?
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: Do you have the do you have the relative percentage?
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: Nine times?
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: Dumbass? That would have been a zinger right there, but
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: Pearl didn't think to do that, So she ends up like,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: like I said, like, optically it looks bad for Pearl.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: But I'm pretty sure I picked that up instantly, didn't I?
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah? You did? Yeah, the word.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: For word you said it makes more sense for them
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: to shack up live with a girlfriend instead of getting married.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: Do you think the advice that you give to men
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: is the type of advice that will fulfill their lives.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: Because I'll tell you one.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, Anna, Anna, shut up, shut your pie hole, all right.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: The reason why she's giving that advice is because the
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: legal system is stacked against men. All right. She's not
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: giving it, she's giving it a self defense advice. No,
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: men are not necessarily gonna be happy that way. I think, Uh,
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: I think, I think my little my little black black
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: cat referee has decided that that I have gotten incised
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: enough for the day.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: But yeah, right, go ahead.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: Like she's not saying this is an ideal circumstance. She's saying,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: this is something that men need to do to protect themselves.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: And Anna's saying, oh, do you think that men are
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: gonna be happy? Why are you bringing up men's happiness here?
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: Do you even care about that?
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: Until the legal system is changed and we have a
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: model now of how it needs to change. Presumption of
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: shared custody it helps everybody. It helps the mother, it
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: helps the father, it helps the children. The only people
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: it doesn't help. You know that that that meme of
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: did you ask with the with Jesus?
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: And you forget to ask. Someone forgot to ask?
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: Is there's someone you forgot to ask? Yeah. The only
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: people that the shared custody initiatives don't benefit are divorce
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: lawyers and feminists, and of course that those two groups
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: are lobbying to get rid of them. So we have
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: a solution to all of this. It's shared custody laws.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: And I will grant the conservatives this. They recognized it.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: They stopped arguing that, oh, divorce, so divorce wider men divorcing,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: and they started recognizing the actual situation and family law
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: and fixed it. So I'll grant conservatives a point there.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: And that's the solution, right. The solution to not having
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: men not having to do this risk assessment and take
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: defensive action against women is shared custody the end, and
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: in fact, shared custody.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: Sorry that was that was an accident. Why did it
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: play so fast?
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: Yes, you love your husband because he's yours. He's your property.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: That's why people could love you, know they're slaves, but
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: hate escaped ones. Okay, he's your property, he's yours. That's
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: why you love him. If you don't actually care about
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: men as a whole, that's probably why you love your husband,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: not because not because he's a man, but in spite
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: of him being a man, because you've broken him in.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: He's yours. He's broken, he's butt broken. Yeah, okay, let's
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: keep going.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: But anyway, so she's basically saying, I actually like men
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: more than you. This is what she's trying to establish. No,
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: I know, but I'm just letting you know. But I
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: did get a super chat from Joe Marx nineteen twenty nine.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Joe Marx gives us twenty and includes like
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: a dancing athletic pair saying thanks for being you. Thank you,
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: Joe Marx, appreciate it. Very strange, but dancing a dancing
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: athletic pair.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, a super or super chat.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: It's a super chat. It's a super chat.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, it's very much appreciated, dancing athletic pair. Okay, right, No,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: I think that is number one. I think this is
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: going to be something that requires a.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: Two for Yes, well I told you that, Allison, since
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: I told you this is a lot. But I think
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: it's a good debate to go through.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: You want to hear the rest of this bit and
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: then we'll just go. We'll do another show on this
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: next week or something.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: Sure, we'll do we'll do all.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: But you know what my career did. When I met
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: my husband. My career was already established. He, on the
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: other hand, was couch surfing. He was in debt and
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: didn't know what he wanted to do with his life.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: I married him anyway. You want to know why, because
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: I had the exting pair to marry for love, not for.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: That woman take care of me.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: How's HOLLI what that's not all.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: Women's wait curls. Pearl's response is great, though, Listen, I
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: married him anyway.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 3: You want to know why because I had the economic
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: freedom to marry for love, not for some.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: Chad to take care of me.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 4: How's tall is he?
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: He's six one about your height.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: Cruchaded her too, So Pearl basically boiled it down for
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: you know, you didn't marry him for love. You know,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: it's funny like this is this is Anna Casparian. Casparian
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: kind of falling back on the romantic model of relationships
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: as a default. So you know how we talk about
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: guynocentrism as a it is essentially the romanticization of marriage
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: and relationships, which is basically an extension like courtly love
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: that goes back to like the medieval period, and she's
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: using that as the standard of by which like she
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: can measure things, like basically, if you marry for love,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: it's the only reason to do it. And I did
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: it because I was financially like independent enough that I
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: could like find a man just for like the good
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: qualities I love about him, and maybe he's a good guy.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: But she did only start with this dude. Like her
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: marriage to this guy is pretty recent. She was single
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: for most of the time that she was with the
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: young Turks and stuff. And I think this marriage came
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: out of COVID and like some of the nutty shit
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: that was happening in LA and she like met a
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: guy who lived in her building that was good to
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: her and turned out to be like a right wing guy,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: and this might be that guy. So but yeah, she says,
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, he was a he was a CouchSurfing loser.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: It's kind of shitty that she's like throwing shade at
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: her husband by basically saying, I was like the boss
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: bitch and he was nobody and I married him for love.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: So it's like he's like I'm a gift to him.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: Did you see what I'm saying how that sort of presented?
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: Also, Senior Stick says, and I don't have any confirmation
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: that he was an ex pro athlete.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, well yeah I think he I think.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: One and built like a mac truck probably.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: I think that's right, Senior Sticks. I think it's right.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's a little bit of sweetening.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: Kind of a chest, a.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: Little sweetening in Ana Kisparian's marriage deal there, ye not
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: admitting to but yeah, this is that. But but again,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: what what's the point of this? Seriously? Yeah, there exists
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: women who will marry an ex pro athlete who's six one,
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: you know, if they are financially capable of doing so. Yeah,
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: that's fine. But still the largest risk factor for a
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: man getting divorced is losing his job around the world,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: and the biggest risk, the biggest causal fact for a
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: man being married, is earning half as much more than
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: the average man in his cohort. So doesn't matter, Anna,
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: you may be an outlier. Congratulations to you. You don't
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: establish the rule. And the fact is that if we
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: want to pursue a romantic idea of love, perhaps we
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: shouldn't embrace narratives that make men so inferior or seem
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: so inferior on the moral axis, the emotional axis, the
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: personality access, the physical attractiveness acts, the best access, the
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: sexual desirability access, the expressing sexual desirability, access, the axing axes. Okay,
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: the narrative around men in our society is so toxic,
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: Like on every single level, men are seen as inferior
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: and not good investments for women. Right, that's what we
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: say about men. We say they're poor lovers. We say
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: their desires is toxic. We say they're unesthetically appealing if
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: they're short or if they don't they don't hit a
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: very narrow boundary for looks. We say their personalities are bad.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: We say their emotions are underdeveloped, which is astounding if
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: you think about it, And we say that they are
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: less moral on every level that you would use to
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: connect to a person emotionally and physically, spiritually, romantically, sexually.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: We say men are not worth it to women. So
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: if you're going to say, well, let's have a society
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: where men and women unite on a romantic level, well
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: you've destroyed that too. So not only do women earn more,
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: we've destroyed the romantic based basis that could have you know,
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: met us a bit somewhere. You see what I'm saying, Brian.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: We could have just leaned more on that to continue
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: to have relationships between men and women. We destroyed that too. Somehow,
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: men were more desirable when they made substantially more than women.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: They were more desirable on every metric. Society saw them
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: as more desirable on every metric, on a moral metric,
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: on an emotional metric, on a personality metric, on a
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: physical metric, on a metric in terms of their desires
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: and their desirability. You know, you go back sixty years
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: and men were being sold on every single metric, including
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: the romantic ones, not just the financial. But we decided
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: to stop doing that while kneecapping men financially. So if
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: you want to pursue your romantic model, Anna, you got
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: to stop shitting on men, which means you got to
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: stop promoting feminism.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: There you go, All right, So you want to save
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: this for next time?
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I like we're at two hours here, Brian.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah, I know, I'm ready to do that.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: That's fine. This is a lot. This is a lot,
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: But I do think that it's a good thing to
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: look at this debate. So yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we'll revisit it, follow up. Well yeah, we'll follow up
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  Speaker 1: next week.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, and do more of this.
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  Speaker 1: But it's uh, yeah, that's that's it. Well let's do that.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, that's a bit of a all right,
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  Speaker 2: So guys, if you want to send really quickly if
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  Speaker 2: you have any comment to make about this, feed the
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  Speaker 2: Badger dot com slash just the tip. You can do
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  Speaker 2: so after the show. But if you get in really quick,
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  Speaker 2: maybe we can actually you know what I'll do. I'll
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  Speaker 2: poke the voles. I shall poke the voles for you
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  Speaker 2: all and see if there's anything in the two yet
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  Speaker 2: to poke in. This might be a little bit complicated
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  Speaker 2: because I had to restart, so I need to open
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  Speaker 2: everything up again, as you probably know. All right, So
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  Speaker 2: here we go. Here we go opening this is it
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  Speaker 2: going to open? Only time will tell Yep. Here we go.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's the beginning of the month, so.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a little bit further into the month. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: things are going to buy so freaking fast. Nope, we don't.
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  Speaker 1: February is a short one. So, yeah, February is a
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  Speaker 1: short month.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is like it's almost over now, because February
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  Speaker 2: is sneaky like that. It's like I'm gonna be done
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  Speaker 2: as soon as you start. It's a very sneaky month,
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  Speaker 2: all right. So feed the Badger dot Com slash just
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  Speaker 2: the show is over and we will receive it and
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  Speaker 2: we will respond to it. And since we're probably going
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  Speaker 2: to be revisiting this at the next show, if you
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  Speaker 2: can talk about it next time. All right, there you go, So, uh, fundraiser,
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  Speaker 2: is it up yet? It's gonna be at Feedbadger dot
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  Speaker 2: com slash support, so look out for that and I
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  Speaker 2: will hand it back to you. Brian.
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