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- 0:00Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
- 0:06Speaker 2: A beautiful young nursing student, Lake and Riley, just twenty
- 0:11Speaker 2: two years old, beaten so viciously, her skull is actually disfigured. Tonight,
- 0:22Speaker 2: the suspect makes demands. Yes, the suspect makes demands. I'm
- 0:31Speaker 2: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
- 0:34Speaker 2: with us. A young nursing student goes for her routine
- 0:38Speaker 2: morning jog around campus but never returns. It's so hard
- 0:44Speaker 2: to imagine that this beautiful young nursing student, dedicating her
- 0:49Speaker 2: life to helping others and the prime of her life,
- 0:53Speaker 2: just twenty two years old, goes out for a jog
- 0:57Speaker 2: and then ends up beaten so viciously, her skull is disfigured.
- 1:04Speaker 1: What more do we know? Listen, she was.
- 1:07Speaker 3: Found right next to a lake, next to the intermural fields.
- 1:10Speaker 3: And my son is a sophomore at the University of Georgia.
- 1:14Speaker 1: He actually parks there at the intermural fields.
- 1:16Speaker 3: And so around this lake is a pretty it's a
- 1:19Speaker 3: pretty normal place for students, for people in the community
- 1:23Speaker 3: of Athens, Georgia, to run around. And this was on
- 1:26Speaker 3: a Thursday morning, you right in the middle of the week,
- 1:29Speaker 3: nice weather, there at Lake Herrick and as the you know,
- 1:34Speaker 3: Uga police chief was talking about and he says, he
- 1:37Speaker 3: called this a crime of opportunity. So she went there running,
- 1:40Speaker 3: we assume by herself.
- 1:42Speaker 2: You're hearing our friend anchor, investigative reporter Jason Dennis, WTVM.
- 1:48Speaker 1: And w X t X.
- 1:50Speaker 2: Why is it that there is an epidemic of young
- 1:54Speaker 2: female joggers ending up dead?
- 1:58Speaker 1: What about Molly Timmyts? Do you remember that name? I do,
- 2:03Speaker 1: I'll never forget it.
- 2:04Speaker 4: Listen, College student Mally Tibbets goes out for a jog
- 2:07Speaker 4: in Brooklyn, Iowa. Police say on a country road, Christian
- 2:10Speaker 4: Rivera sees Molly Tibbets out for her run, gets out
- 2:13Speaker 4: of his car and runs alongside Molly.
- 2:15Speaker 2: Okay, what about Eliza Fletcher in Memphis?
- 2:19Speaker 1: Remember that name?
- 2:20Speaker 4: Just a for four am? Eliza Fletcher is off on
- 2:22Speaker 4: her regular early morning jog. The married mother of two
- 2:25Speaker 4: kindergarten teacher is an avid runner with times good enough
- 2:28Speaker 4: to qualify for the Boston Marathon. When Fletcher doesn't return
- 2:31Speaker 4: home from her run, panic sets in. Her husband calls police.
- 2:34Speaker 4: Surveillance video shows around four thirty am, while she jogs,
- 2:38Speaker 4: she's approached by someone who forces her into a dark
- 2:41Speaker 4: colored suv and drives off.
- 2:43Speaker 1: Joining me from the field.
- 2:45Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum, founder of the Cold Case Research Institute, forensic
- 2:49Speaker 2: expert and star of Zone seven. Cheryl McCollum does it
- 2:55Speaker 2: never and Lake and Riley minding her own business, trying
- 3:00Speaker 2: to become a nurse like the nurse that saves my twins'
- 3:04Speaker 2: lives in Nick, You she can't even take a job
- 3:09Speaker 2: on a campus where you think everything is safe. Her
- 3:14Speaker 2: skull is bashed in and tonight the suspect, the chief suspect,
- 3:20Speaker 2: is making his own demands. But can we get back
- 3:25Speaker 2: to the epidemic of attacks on female joggers, Nancy.
- 3:29Speaker 5: It seems to be part of the plan to attack
- 3:33Speaker 5: these folks while they're jogging at the end of a jog,
- 3:37Speaker 5: meaning they're tired, they're fatigued. They're not going to be
- 3:41Speaker 5: able to put up a fight like they would if
- 3:44Speaker 5: they had not already been exercising. If you look at
- 3:47Speaker 5: where lake Len Riley ended up, that's at the top
- 3:51Speaker 5: of a just major heel, so she was quite possibly
- 3:56Speaker 5: extremely fatigued, even though we know he did fight that well, Cheryl.
- 4:02Speaker 1: I disagree completely.
- 4:04Speaker 2: You say this is part of a plan, which means
- 4:07Speaker 2: a thought out plan. I think they're no better than
- 4:13Speaker 2: a predator, an animal. Toseph Scott Morgan joining me, Professor Forensics,
- 4:18Speaker 2: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
- 4:22Speaker 2: star of a hit series Body Bags. That Joe Scott
- 4:25Speaker 2: Morgan goes on and on and on and on. He's
- 4:27Speaker 2: a death investigator. Okay, he's handled over ten thousand death investigations,
- 4:33Speaker 2: just like Cheryl McCollum on the street every day is
- 4:36Speaker 2: a forensic expert.
- 4:38Speaker 1: These are not just talking heads.
- 4:39Speaker 2: They know what they're talking about, like the rest of
- 4:42Speaker 2: our panel. Joe Scott, I don't think this is part
- 4:45Speaker 2: of a plan. He's going to think, oh, okay, I'll
- 4:48Speaker 2: let her run twenty five minutes, then I'll try to
- 4:50Speaker 2: rape and beater skull in. This is no better than
- 4:54Speaker 2: a hyena on the Serengetti waiting for the gazelle to
- 4:59Speaker 2: go to the watery hole.
- 5:01Speaker 1: He attacks, no thought to it, just like an animal.
- 5:06Speaker 6: Joe Scott, I think that going to this kind of
- 5:09Speaker 6: animalistic perspective, I think that the reality is is that
- 5:14Speaker 6: it's almost at a promo level where they're seeking they're hungry,
- 5:17Speaker 6: and in his case, he could only be satisfied by attacking.
- 5:22Speaker 6: And so that's going to be the planning that goes in.
- 5:24Speaker 6: And it's an you know, the chief had mentioned that
- 5:26Speaker 6: this is a crime of opportunity, and so he would
- 5:30Speaker 6: have been familiar with this area where he could track
- 5:32Speaker 6: this poor young lady and watch for that Opportunity's familiar
- 5:36Speaker 6: with the landscape, the topography that Mac just mentioned relative
- 5:40Speaker 6: to the grade out there moving about and where can
- 5:43Speaker 6: you be secluded. So there has to be a few
- 5:47Speaker 6: points to these elements that are involved so that he
- 5:50Speaker 6: can successfully get away with this, and he almost did.
- 5:53Speaker 2: Nancy Animals, complete animals, and you know, back to you,
- 5:58Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum, a long time colleague and the director of
- 6:01Speaker 2: the Cold Case Research Institute. You know where I was
- 6:05Speaker 2: this entire weekend this past weekend. I was out looking
- 6:09Speaker 2: at colleges and universities for my children, John, David and
- 6:14Speaker 2: Lucy Lynch and every place that Lucy liked. She's just
- 6:21Speaker 2: a tiny little bitty thing.
- 6:23Speaker 1: All I could think about.
- 6:24Speaker 2: I looked down each alleyway and each walkway, and they'd
- 6:27Speaker 2: be beautiful with live oaks and blah, blah blah. Oh,
- 6:30Speaker 2: I could think about it's Lincoln Riley and my girl.
- 6:34Speaker 2: I mean, what do we have to do to stop
- 6:38Speaker 2: people like this guy.
- 6:40Speaker 5: One of the main things that stuck out for me
- 6:43Speaker 5: when I walked this scene and you sent me to
- 6:46Speaker 5: Athens was Lakeland did everything right, and so did her roommate.
- 6:52Speaker 5: It was broad daylight, there were people all around. She
- 6:56Speaker 5: parked at a known place with the band practices. Was
- 7:00Speaker 5: not alone there. Even when I was there days after
- 7:03Speaker 5: this murder, there were people jogging and hiking and in
- 7:06Speaker 5: kayaks in the pond and late. This was not a
- 7:10Speaker 5: place that was secluded and way off the beaten path
- 7:13Speaker 5: where she took a great risk. There was only a
- 7:16Speaker 5: small portion of this entire place where you were, you know,
- 7:22Speaker 5: had woods all around you, and where he could drag
- 7:24Speaker 5: her off of the pathway there into the woods and as.
- 7:28Speaker 1: The crow flies.
- 7:30Speaker 5: If you are where her body was found, it is
- 7:33Speaker 5: a straight shot to his apartment. And I'm going to
- 7:36Speaker 5: tell you again he picked this spot. He knew somebody,
- 7:41Speaker 5: some unsuspected victim, was going to come.
- 7:44Speaker 1: By my place.
- 7:45Speaker 2: You're giving him so much credits, total bs.
- 7:48Speaker 1: He didn't pick anything.
- 7:49Speaker 2: He probably waited until she was near some trees, put
- 7:52Speaker 2: no more thought into it than that hyena out on
- 7:55Speaker 2: the serengetti, and then tried to rape her and beat.
- 8:00Speaker 1: Her skull in to you.
- 8:02Speaker 2: You know Andrew Stoltman joining US, high profile Chicago lawyer.
- 8:07Speaker 2: He's an adjunct law professor at Northwestern. That's not shabby.
- 8:11Speaker 2: You know how hard it is to get into Northwestern University.
- 8:14Speaker 2: Co author of the book Waging War on Wall Street. Okay,
- 8:21Speaker 2: I respect that, but you go on and get after
- 8:24Speaker 2: those white collar criminals. Can we talk about a human
- 8:28Speaker 2: hyena right now? I'm sure you have experience in criminal
- 8:33Speaker 2: law as well.
- 8:33Speaker 1: I've read your resume very carefully.
- 8:36Speaker 2: How is it the prime suspect after what we know
- 8:42Speaker 2: happened to lacn Can you imagine the roommate.
- 8:46Speaker 1: Calling her parents.
- 8:47Speaker 2: Have you talked to Lacln and that feeling the mom
- 8:50Speaker 2: and dad must have gotten where they're like no. And
- 8:55Speaker 2: now he jumps up in court and is making demands
- 8:58Speaker 2: about having evidence thrown out. Do you ever just just
- 9:03Speaker 2: want to shoot your foot when you're sitting in court
- 9:05Speaker 2: listening to this. If I could get my hands around
- 9:09Speaker 2: his neck, I'd end up on the Nancy Grace Show.
- 9:12Speaker 1: Okay, Andrew Stoltman, why does.
- 9:14Speaker 2: He think he can make demands like throwing out evidence?
- 9:18Speaker 7: Well, I think he's seen it done successfully in other cases.
- 9:22Speaker 7: I mean, think about it, Nancy, how will to defend
- 9:25Speaker 7: and get around the fact that his DNA was found
- 9:28Speaker 7: underneath the victim's nails?
- 9:30Speaker 1: Right, that's cataclysmic to the case.
- 9:33Speaker 7: So he has to try to get this information out
- 9:35Speaker 7: because if he doesn't, he's going to spend a very
- 9:38Speaker 7: long time the rest of his life in prison. And
- 9:41Speaker 7: by the way, I still can't figure out why the
- 9:43Speaker 7: prosecutors aren't pursuing the death penalty in this case because
- 9:47Speaker 7: of any reprobate. If any degenerate deserves it, it's this guy.
- 9:57Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
- 10:03Speaker 2: You know, I want to talk about the way that
- 10:05Speaker 2: her body was found, but let me go along chronologically.
- 10:09Speaker 2: So the roommate realizes Lacon didn't come back from jogging.
- 10:15Speaker 2: She starts making calls, where's Lacon, Where's Lincoln. Laca's not
- 10:19Speaker 2: answering her cell phone.
- 10:22Speaker 1: Now listen to this.
- 10:23Speaker 3: There was a.
- 10:23Speaker 1: Jacket, and what was the significance of the jacket? Why
- 10:27Speaker 1: were you why did you believe it was related?
- 10:29Speaker 8: To them because I've never sold a jacket myself, but
- 10:33Speaker 8: I was told by other law enforcement officials that there
- 10:37Speaker 8: was blood and I believe hair on the jacket.
- 10:39Speaker 1: What's of hair Licn's hair, Laken's hair on a jacket.
- 10:44Speaker 2: So immediately, Cheryl McCollum, all the investigators start retracing her
- 10:48Speaker 2: steps trying to figure out where she was.
- 10:50Speaker 1: Then they look in a dumpster.
- 10:52Speaker 2: Thank Heaven, and yes, that's sop to look at dumpsters.
- 10:57Speaker 1: I looked in plenty of them.
- 10:59Speaker 2: And it stinks.
- 11:03Speaker 1: It's horrible conditions.
- 11:05Speaker 2: Yeah, and again there you have to get in it
- 11:06Speaker 2: and dig through everything. But they were rewarded when they
- 11:11Speaker 2: find a jacket with hair on it that turns out
- 11:14Speaker 2: to be Lakin's jacket.
- 11:17Speaker 1: That dumpster yielded evidence.
- 11:21Speaker 5: Cheryl McCollum, it was brilliant Nancy. From the moment she's
- 11:25Speaker 5: reported missing at twelve oh seven, they find her by
- 11:28Speaker 5: twelve thirty eight. That's telling you how seriously law enforcement
- 11:32Speaker 5: took this. When they got to that dumpster and got
- 11:35Speaker 5: in it and found the jacket with the blood and
- 11:38Speaker 5: the hair, that's going to connect that person from that
- 11:42Speaker 5: jacket to Lakeland. Then they also have her cell phone
- 11:46Speaker 5: you mentioned earlier, she attempted to call nine one one.
- 11:49Speaker 5: That's going to be real time stamped too. So now
- 11:52Speaker 5: you're starting to build this case, your spart you know,
- 11:54Speaker 5: you're starting to connect these dots that are going to
- 11:56Speaker 5: be extremely important for trial.
- 12:00Speaker 2: Right now is a very high profile investigative reporter and
- 12:04Speaker 2: anchor a WTVM and WXTX on this case from the beginning.
- 12:10Speaker 1: And I say case as opposed to story. This is
- 12:14Speaker 1: no story.
- 12:15Speaker 2: As Lacan's parents if this is some story, this is
- 12:18Speaker 2: real and they are having to deal with this every
- 12:20Speaker 2: day of their lives.
- 12:22Speaker 1: And now the.
- 12:23Speaker 2: Suspect is making demands. He's got a nerve. Jason Dennis,
- 12:29Speaker 2: I want you to tell me about the area. Thank
- 12:32Speaker 2: you for being with us again. Jason, I really appreciate it.
- 12:35Speaker 2: You've been there, You're familiar with it. You know exactly
- 12:38Speaker 2: what happened. Tell me about the area where Laken was jogging.
- 12:43Speaker 3: Well, these are Nancy intramural fields that are commonly used.
- 12:48Speaker 3: I mean, there's forty thousand students at the University of Georgia,
- 12:52Speaker 3: including my son, and this is an area that's commonly
- 12:55Speaker 3: used intramural fields. People park there, people walk from there
- 12:59Speaker 3: to class, walk from class to there and often work
- 13:02Speaker 3: out and and you know, it's beautiful weather in Athens,
- 13:05Speaker 3: Georgia often, you know, for for a lot of the year,
- 13:09Speaker 3: and so it's it's commonly used and it's not a
- 13:12Speaker 3: place where you would go and feel unsafe. But unfortunately
- 13:16Speaker 3: something like this puts, you know, a new kind of
- 13:20Speaker 3: fear in these you know, eighteen to twenty one year olds.
- 13:24Speaker 3: You know she you know, she was twenty two years old,
- 13:26Speaker 3: her body found at lunchtime right there in Athens, right
- 13:31Speaker 3: along the trail, and it's heartbreaking and you know, her
- 13:34Speaker 3: family and friends filling the Core room just a few
- 13:36Speaker 3: days ago, just tears strolling down their face. From what
- 13:40Speaker 3: I understand as Jose Obara was requesting, you know, to
- 13:46Speaker 3: throw out some of this evidence, you know, DNA evidence,
- 13:49Speaker 3: social media evidence, fingerprint identification, wanting this to be thrown out.
- 13:53Speaker 3: And what you know he mentioned earlier a slam dunk case.
- 13:56Speaker 3: And so it's it's heartbreaking to know that, you know,
- 14:00Speaker 3: this happened nine months ago and we're still dealing with
- 14:04Speaker 3: you know that he is still free in terms of
- 14:08Speaker 3: he hasn't been convicted yet. So that's I think what
- 14:12Speaker 3: is one of the most heartbreaking things I think.
- 14:15Speaker 9: Searching for a suspect in the death of Lake and Riley,
- 14:17Speaker 9: officers patrolling the Argo apartment community see a Hispanic man
- 14:21Speaker 9: matching the description of the man seen in a surveillance
- 14:24Speaker 9: video putting a jacket and latex gloves with blood inside
- 14:27Speaker 9: a trash man on the apartment complex property. Twenty six
- 14:30Speaker 9: year Police veit Sergeant Timothy Johnson says the man is
- 14:33Speaker 9: even wearing an identical hat. Confronting the man, police learning
- 14:37Speaker 9: he is Diego Ebarra, the brother of Jose Ebarra. Asked
- 14:41Speaker 9: for identification, he tells officers that he doesn't have an ID,
- 14:44Speaker 9: but has a University of Georgia Food Services employee name
- 14:47Speaker 9: tag which reads Diego.
- 14:50Speaker 1: A beautiful twenty two year old comes face to face
- 14:54Speaker 1: with a predator. She dials nine to one one, but
- 14:58Speaker 1: it's too late.
- 15:01Speaker 4: Diego Ebara leads officers to his apartment, where he hands
- 15:04Speaker 4: over his ID, a United States Permanent Resident card often
- 15:07Speaker 4: called a Green card. The poor quality, as well as
- 15:10Speaker 4: two separate birth dates listed on the card. It's quickly
- 15:13Speaker 4: verified by Homeland Security to be a fake. Diego Ebara,
- 15:17Speaker 4: his brother Jose Ebarra, and two other men in the
- 15:19Speaker 4: apartment are detained and held outside while police wait for
- 15:22Speaker 4: a search waran for the apartment. The apartment is about
- 15:25Speaker 4: five hundred yards from where Lakenriley was found.
- 15:28Speaker 2: Five hundred yards from where this beautiful nursing student was
- 15:31Speaker 2: found with her skull crushed and her clothes in disarray
- 15:35Speaker 2: from an obvious sex attack.
- 15:38Speaker 1: It doesn't take long for police to realize that.
- 15:41Speaker 2: These two related are members of a notorious gang out
- 15:47Speaker 2: of Venezuela, trend de Arragua. Who is trend Arragua well
- 15:54Speaker 2: number one. If you have seen headlines in the knees
- 15:57Speaker 2: recently about gangs taking over apartment complexes terrorizing the residents
- 16:04Speaker 2: in Colorado as them. They originated in a prison facility
- 16:10Speaker 2: in Venezuela. They specialize in drug trafficking, human smuggling, murder,
- 16:19Speaker 2: all sorts of extortion.
- 16:22Speaker 1: They moved from Venezuela.
- 16:25Speaker 2: To Chile and beyond, and now they're here in the US,
- 16:29Speaker 2: in Colorado, in New York, in Texas, and in Georgia,
- 16:36Speaker 2: where Laken lived with her roommate. So this is where
- 16:41Speaker 2: the legal challenge arises right here. So how is it
- 16:48Speaker 2: straight back out to an investigative reporter joining US Jason Dennis.
- 16:54Speaker 2: What originally led police to this guy and to this.
- 16:59Speaker 3: Apartment, A Bara allegedly, you know, was was lying in wait,
- 17:04Speaker 3: like you mentioned earlier, and you know, allegedly sexually assaulted
- 17:08Speaker 3: and killed Lake and Riley. But what led them to
- 17:12Speaker 3: the apartment is they found that evidence in the dumpster
- 17:16Speaker 3: and they you know, we were getting tips from people
- 17:20Speaker 3: about illegal immigrants living there. His brother, the suspect in
- 17:24Speaker 3: this murder case working at the cafeteria the donning An
- 17:28Speaker 3: area of the University of Georgia unknowingly uh, being any
- 17:33Speaker 3: illegal immigrant?
- 17:34Speaker 2: Are you telling me that a member of the notorious
- 17:38Speaker 2: Venezuelan gang Trenda Aragua is serving lunch and the UGA cafeteria.
- 17:47Speaker 3: And the the problem here as well, this was you
- 17:50Speaker 3: know obviously ten months ago, is that you know, they
- 17:54Speaker 3: he was not vetted and and and and so they
- 17:58Speaker 3: found out later that he had a fake green card,
- 18:01Speaker 3: as I mentioned in that pre pro And so it's
- 18:04Speaker 3: something that you know, that's the problem is that you're
- 18:07Speaker 3: not checking people ahead of time and vetting them to
- 18:11Speaker 3: see and because of those mistakes are made. Lake and Riley,
- 18:16Speaker 3: two year old.
- 18:17Speaker 1: Version student, This is what I understand.
- 18:20Speaker 2: He is around all these young coz that can be
- 18:22Speaker 2: as young as sixteen or seventeen when they go there.
- 18:26Speaker 1: But Chris McDonough.
- 18:27Speaker 2: Joining me, director of the Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective,
- 18:31Speaker 2: and star.
- 18:34Speaker 1: The Interview Room on YouTube.
- 18:37Speaker 2: Do you know what I have to go through to
- 18:39Speaker 2: even try to use a check at the grocery store.
- 18:43Speaker 2: I to show ID, I have to show credit cards.
- 18:46Speaker 2: You don't forget the check? Never mind, I'll just use
- 18:49Speaker 2: a credit card. But this guy is serving food in
- 18:54Speaker 2: the cafeteria where every single co ed is coming through
- 18:57Speaker 2: freshmen and sophomore years.
- 18:59Speaker 10: Really, yeah, it's almost unbelievable, isn't it, Nassia. I mean
- 19:02Speaker 10: the fact that this guy's part of a transnational organization,
- 19:07Speaker 10: a criminal organization creating you know, drug pipelines into the
- 19:11Speaker 10: United States.
- 19:12Speaker 1: And by the way, at.
- 19:13Speaker 10: Some point they're gonna they're gonna clash with the Mexican
- 19:17Speaker 10: cartels if this thing doesn't get some you know, control
- 19:21Speaker 10: over it. And so here you have this guy, you know,
- 19:24Speaker 10: I'm part of this organization, like you said, you know,
- 19:26Speaker 10: scoop and potatoes, you know, mash potatoes for the kids
- 19:30Speaker 10: that are coming through the line. You know this is
- 19:33Speaker 10: more than just he slipped, you know, through the cracks.
- 19:36Speaker 2: Me think about it. Think about it, Chris McData. Let
- 19:40Speaker 2: me ask doctor Chloe. This, doctor Chloe Carmichael joining us.
- 19:45Speaker 2: Can't you imagine the looks they give those young girls
- 19:52Speaker 2: going through that cafeteria line, and they are nothing but predators,
- 19:57Speaker 2: human hyenas.
- 19:59Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, Nancy.
- 20:01Speaker 11: Of course they would look at the co eds, the
- 20:04Speaker 11: joggers as these you know, kind of pretty privileged, rich kids,
- 20:09Speaker 11: easy pickings, easy prey for these animals. And I think
- 20:13Speaker 11: it's really sick that they were actually allowed in there
- 20:16Speaker 11: in the country, frankly in the first place, much less
- 20:20Speaker 11: allowed anywhere near these young people that were just trying
- 20:22Speaker 11: to get an education.
- 20:24Speaker 2: I'm trying to make the connection about how they find
- 20:27Speaker 2: Lincoln's body and then suddenly they're at this guy's apartment.
- 20:31Speaker 1: Listen the email.
- 20:33Speaker 12: Subviig had a black in color baseball cap with a
- 20:38Speaker 12: white Adida symple moment exactly as that of the suspect
- 20:42Speaker 12: in the picture.
- 20:43Speaker 1: At the Dompsters.
- 20:44Speaker 9: While waiting for a search warrant to arrive, officers have
- 20:47Speaker 9: jose Ebarra and his roommates detained outside the apartment. UGA
- 20:51Speaker 9: Police Corporal Raphael Sion describes jose Ebarra as very quiet
- 20:55Speaker 9: and very nervous. Sion also notices wounds on jose Ebarra,
- 21:00Speaker 9: such as redness on his knuckles, a scratch on his
- 21:02Speaker 9: wrist and arms, as well as redness on his forehead.
- 21:05Speaker 2: So Cheryl McCollum joining me, Cold Case Research Institute Founder
- 21:10Speaker 2: forensics expert Cheryl, So, somebody was doing a great job.
- 21:17Speaker 2: They look at a dumpster, they find a jacket, it's
- 21:20Speaker 2: got hair on it. But then they look at the
- 21:23Speaker 2: video around the dumpster and they see matching outfits and
- 21:29Speaker 2: they match it up to these two.
- 21:31Speaker 5: Absolutely and Nancy again from where her body is.
- 21:35Speaker 1: If you walk.
- 21:36Speaker 5: Straight, you go right to that dumpster. They did that immediately.
- 21:40Speaker 5: Then as they start, you know, walking around the neighborhood,
- 21:43Speaker 5: people start pointing and then one witness was like, yeah,
- 21:46Speaker 5: I think I saw him over there. They also then
- 21:50Speaker 5: law enforcement continues across the street to the gas station.
- 21:54Speaker 5: They looked at every single trash bend they could find
- 21:58Speaker 5: in that entire area, and they piece this thing together
- 22:01Speaker 5: so quickly. And let me tell you there's a photograph
- 22:05Speaker 5: you can see. The command center is parked in front
- 22:08Speaker 5: of his apartment door. They played this thing beautifully and
- 22:12Speaker 5: so professionally and so quickly.
- 22:15Speaker 2: Let's take a listen from Uga Police Sergeant Josh Epps
- 22:20Speaker 2: about what led him to that apartment, because.
- 22:24Speaker 8: I believe there's fair pabability. There's evidence of the murder
- 22:26Speaker 8: inside there. He was seen leaving there. I'm aware of
- 22:29Speaker 8: the evidence that was found in the dumpster, and it's
- 22:32Speaker 8: not all the articles of clothing that that initial was
- 22:35Speaker 8: wearing that day.
- 22:37Speaker 13: We have a suspect in custody for Lakeland's murder. We
- 22:42Speaker 13: are obtaining arrest warrants for Jose Antonio Abera, twenty six
- 22:49Speaker 13: years of age. He lives here in Athens, but it's
- 22:55Speaker 13: not a US citizen. He has been charged with the
- 22:59Speaker 13: following malice, murder, felony murder, aggravated battery, aggravated assault, false imprisonment, kidnapping,
- 23:15Speaker 13: hindering a non to one one call, and conciering the death.
- 23:21Speaker 2: Of another, even in line of the horrific attacks on
- 23:27Speaker 2: lacn He is in court making demands what more evidence
- 23:33Speaker 2: is there against him?
- 23:34Speaker 9: Lesson, after hose Ebarro's arrest for the murder of lake
- 23:37Speaker 9: and Riley, his thumb print is compared to a Layton
- 23:40Speaker 9: print found on Lake and Riley's cell phone. It is
- 23:43Speaker 9: the opinion of Athens Clark Police crime scene technician Tim
- 23:46Speaker 9: Stewart that jose Ebarra is the source for the print
- 23:49Speaker 9: found on the phone. The defense team for hose Ibarro
- 23:52Speaker 9: plans to challenge this particular piece of fingerprint evidence the
- 23:55Speaker 9: ties I borrow to the cell phone of Lake and Riley.
- 23:58Speaker 1: So how is it destray out?
- 24:00Speaker 2: To the veteran defense attorney Andrew Stoltman, how is it
- 24:04Speaker 2: that when your fingerprint turns up on the victim's cell phone?
- 24:08Speaker 2: How do you try to get that suppressed? One of
- 24:13Speaker 2: the defendant's many demands.
- 24:14Speaker 7: Well, I think you have to argue that the process
- 24:18Speaker 7: of gathering that fingerprint and the related evidence was flawed.
- 24:22Speaker 7: Either the police technician was sloppy, they didn't follow standard
- 24:26Speaker 7: operating protocol. Because if that comes in, it's game, set
- 24:30Speaker 7: and match, right, Because anni juror is going to sit
- 24:33Speaker 7: here and say, wait a minute, how the heck did
- 24:35Speaker 7: the defendant's thumb print get on the victim's cell phone?
- 24:39Speaker 7: So that's just kind of another bullet in the chamber
- 24:41Speaker 7: that kind of goes to the tapestry of guilt, as
- 24:44Speaker 7: I like to call it. So they have to challenge
- 24:47Speaker 7: everything with respect to the collection process to try to
- 24:50Speaker 7: keep that out because if it comes in game set match,
- 24:54Speaker 7: he's going to be convicted.
- 24:55Speaker 1: Shedding a little light on the defendants demands in court.
- 24:58Speaker 9: Listen, Jose Ebarra aims to challenge the evidence prosecutors plan
- 25:03Speaker 9: to use a trial and if filed motions attempting to
- 25:06Speaker 9: incriminate evidence that was seized through a search warrant at
- 25:09Speaker 9: Ebarra's home. The defense is also challenging DNA and fingerprint evidence.
- 25:13Speaker 9: The defense team for Jose Ebarra is claiming that after
- 25:16Speaker 9: Ebarro was detained, a UGA detective got a search warrant
- 25:20Speaker 9: for his apartment, which Ibarra's lawyers say was void on
- 25:23Speaker 9: his face and issued without probable cause, while also being
- 25:26Speaker 9: overly broad for what officers could look for and seize
- 25:29Speaker 9: as evidence.
- 25:30Speaker 1: We see this.
- 25:31Speaker 2: All the time when a search warrant is obtained and
- 25:34Speaker 2: they did obtain a search warrant before seizing items from
- 25:39Speaker 2: the apartment. If they don't get a search warrant, cops
- 25:42Speaker 2: don't get a search warrant. The claim is they didn't
- 25:45Speaker 2: have a search warrant, this is no good. If they
- 25:47Speaker 2: do get a search warrant, A typical challenge is the
- 25:50Speaker 2: search warrant is overbroad?
- 25:53Speaker 1: What does that mean.
- 25:54Speaker 2: Let's say that I finally get fed up and I
- 25:58Speaker 2: strangled Jackie right in the studio.
- 26:01Speaker 1: A search warrant is executed on the studio.
- 26:05Speaker 2: The search warrant could say any and all evidence that
- 26:10Speaker 2: Nancy Grace ever did anything wrong in her life, that's overbroad.
- 26:15Speaker 2: But when the search warrant specifically refers to the murder
- 26:19Speaker 2: of a victim, as it did, how can that possibly
- 26:23Speaker 2: be construed as overbroad?
- 26:26Speaker 1: And let's get.
- 26:27Speaker 2: Real, Andrew Staltman, is very rare that a search warrant
- 26:32Speaker 2: is quashed and the evidence on the return is suppressed
- 26:36Speaker 2: because of overbroad You got to do a little bit
- 26:39Speaker 2: better than that.
- 26:40Speaker 1: It is most certainly a hail Mary.
- 26:42Speaker 7: And I think they're doing everything to try to keep
- 26:45Speaker 7: that evidence out of the case because it is devastating
- 26:49Speaker 7: to the case and to the defense of the scumbag defendant.
- 26:53Speaker 7: And so yes, I think we're kind of going through
- 26:55Speaker 7: the defense lawyer handbook, the playbook, throwing up every hail
- 26:59Speaker 7: mayor they can. I don't expect it to be successful.
- 27:03Speaker 7: That evidence is coming in. He's going to be convicted.
- 27:06Speaker 2: The defense also argues there's no PC no probable cause to.
- 27:11Speaker 1: Search the home. Bs listen ose.
- 27:14Speaker 4: Bara's defense argues there's no probable cause to search the
- 27:18Speaker 4: apartment and the warrant is overbroad in that it is
- 27:21Speaker 4: seeking anything with DNA. Items seized include cell phones, which
- 27:25Speaker 4: experts from the FBI analyzed. Prosecutors argue the cell phones
- 27:29Speaker 4: were seized in good faith and the facts and circumstances
- 27:33Speaker 4: discovered by police make it a reasonable search.
- 27:36Speaker 2: Just Scott Morgan joining me, Professor forensicks, don't you love
- 27:38Speaker 2: cell phones? Can we just enjoy the moment of remembering
- 27:44Speaker 2: Alex and murdog on the stand being confronted with all
- 27:49Speaker 2: the cell phone outa that places him at the scene
- 27:52Speaker 2: of the double murder of his wife Maggie and son Paul.
- 27:56Speaker 1: He's like rot Row. The cell phone evidence was damning.
- 28:02Speaker 1: So in this.
- 28:03Speaker 2: Case police go in pursuant to warrant Andrew Stoutman pursuant
- 28:08Speaker 2: to a search warrant signed by a judge and they
- 28:12Speaker 2: seese cell phones and a.
- 28:14Speaker 1: Lot of other evidence.
- 28:15Speaker 2: So what could be on the Defenan's cell phone or
- 28:20Speaker 2: the relative cell phone.
- 28:22Speaker 1: What do they want?
- 28:23Speaker 2: It's got to be something, because the defense is trying
- 28:26Speaker 2: so hard to get suppressed. If it didn't have any
- 28:30Speaker 2: any probitive evidence on it, they wouldn't care. They say,
- 28:33Speaker 2: bring it in, but no, they are fighting tooth and
- 28:35Speaker 2: nail to keep that cell phone data out.
- 28:37Speaker 1: What is it?
- 28:38Speaker 6: Yeah, they are, And I think that you're going to
- 28:40Speaker 6: discover perhaps that there are some really incriminating messages. Remember
- 28:45Speaker 6: he's here with his brother and he understands. He has
- 28:49Speaker 6: this kind of come to Jesus moment where he realizes
- 28:52Speaker 6: how deep he's into this thing, starts communicating with people,
- 28:55Speaker 6: and you see that throughout his actions. But Nancy, there's
- 28:58Speaker 6: another piece to this relative to cell phone. The cell
- 29:01Speaker 6: phone revealing something. Do you remember when this case first happened,
- 29:05Speaker 6: how it was stated that Laken had an awareness that
- 29:11Speaker 6: this was going to happen, and that she had initiated
- 29:13Speaker 6: a nine to one one call. It had been put
- 29:17Speaker 6: forth that the phone was taken from her, And I'm
- 29:20Speaker 6: talking about the physical phone itself. If his thumbprint is
- 29:24Speaker 6: on there, that's a damning bit of information. These two
- 29:27Speaker 6: had never known each other, he wasn't known to use
- 29:30Speaker 6: her phone, So how do you explain that away? Defense
- 29:34Speaker 6: has to do that? And I'll give you one more
- 29:35Speaker 6: if you like that one. You begin to think about
- 29:38Speaker 6: this damning level of information. What did they say about
- 29:42Speaker 6: him when they hooked him up on charges he had injuries?
- 29:45Speaker 6: Did he not? We're talking about DNA relative to what
- 29:48Speaker 6: may have been beneath her fingernails. Now we don't know
- 29:51Speaker 6: how far out this exclusion or how much the defense
- 29:56Speaker 6: is wanting to throw that data out and how that
- 29:59Speaker 6: was collected. But both of those elements, and we're not
- 30:02Speaker 6: even getting into the electronics stuff. We're just talking about
- 30:04Speaker 6: physical evidence here that in and of itself is very damning.
- 30:09Speaker 6: So I can see why the defense would want to
- 30:11Speaker 6: do this. They're going to be drowning relative to the
- 30:15Speaker 6: scale of.
- 30:16Speaker 14: This, Naty can I jump in this, Yeral McCollum, I
- 30:20Speaker 14: was just going I was just about to ask you
- 30:22Speaker 14: your thoughts on what could be on that cell phone
- 30:26Speaker 14: between the two of them, and what if he says
- 30:29Speaker 14: I'm in trouble, I just killed a girl, or you
- 30:32Speaker 14: don't know what's on there yet, is.
- 30:34Speaker 5: What I do believe you're going to see those two
- 30:36Speaker 5: phones in the exact same place for the exact same
- 30:40Speaker 5: amount of time, and that's going to be from twelve
- 30:44Speaker 5: seven to twelve thirty eight ish, and that's going to
- 30:48Speaker 5: be the most damning those phones move together for a
- 30:51Speaker 5: period of time.
- 30:58Speaker 1: Crime stories with great ose.
- 31:05Speaker 4: Ebarra is also charged with peeping through the window of
- 31:07Speaker 4: an apartment in UGA's University Village building s and spying
- 31:12Speaker 4: on an individual on the same day as Riley's murder.
- 31:15Speaker 4: The person involved in that case is not Lake and
- 31:18Speaker 4: Riley now the defense.
- 31:20Speaker 2: Another demand in court is that the peeping Tom accusation
- 31:25Speaker 2: be severed. In other words, they don't want the Lacan
- 31:30Speaker 2: murder jury to hear anything about the peeping tom. Where
- 31:36Speaker 2: this guy Ebarra is peeping Tom. It's alleged he is
- 31:40Speaker 2: peeping Tom on another young woman just before Laken's murder.
- 31:45Speaker 1: I bet he does want that thrown out to doctor
- 31:48Speaker 1: Chloe Carmichael.
- 31:49Speaker 2: All it takes is a renowned clinical psychologist like herself
- 31:53Speaker 2: to explain the connection between peeping tom's and rapists, because
- 32:00Speaker 2: it's a well known phenomena amongst prosecutors. Not all voyeurs
- 32:06Speaker 2: peeping tom's are rapists, but I guarantee you, doctor Kloyd Chloe,
- 32:12Speaker 2: that all rapists are voyeurs.
- 32:15Speaker 11: Yes, to a certain degree, Nancy exactly. So there's actually
- 32:19Speaker 11: also something called algolagnia, which is the anticipation that a
- 32:24Speaker 11: sadist feels at the joy of their sick anticipation before
- 32:28Speaker 11: they do an act of sadism. And there's also sometimes
- 32:31Speaker 11: a certain amount of sucking and just simply sick logistical
- 32:35Speaker 11: planning that a rapist needs to do before he can
- 32:38Speaker 11: actually make his move. So the idea that this person
- 32:42Speaker 11: you would be stalking her is not a surprise to me.
- 32:45Speaker 11: And moreover, the brutality with which he murdered her, I mean,
- 32:48Speaker 11: her skull completely crushed. This is somebody who obviously takes
- 32:54Speaker 11: some kind of, you know, literal overkill pleasure in what
- 32:59Speaker 11: he's doing. Wasn't, you know, physically disabling her just to
- 33:04Speaker 11: accomplish a goal. He went above and beyond, and it
- 33:07Speaker 11: suggests that he has kind of an animalistic drive there. Obviously,
- 33:12Speaker 11: I would venture to say that this is not his
- 33:14Speaker 11: first time doing something like this based on the brutality
- 33:18Speaker 11: of this attack, and it's no surprise to me at
- 33:21Speaker 11: all that the same thing he was caught with a
- 33:23Speaker 11: peeping tom earlier in the day. It's also not a
- 33:26Speaker 11: surprise to me that he would in the courtroom start
- 33:29Speaker 11: making demands. I mean, first he you know, kind of
- 33:33Speaker 11: rapes our borders. He comes in here illegally and then
- 33:37Speaker 11: proceeds to literally rape our citizens. It's not a surprise
- 33:41Speaker 11: to me then that he thinks he can turn the
- 33:43Speaker 11: courtroom into his own playground as well. My guess is
- 33:47Speaker 11: that he's laughing at our judicial system.
- 33:50Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum was like in sex assault that.
- 33:54Speaker 5: Absolutely, and Nancy, I want to just tigging back on
- 33:56Speaker 5: what the doctor was just saying. Here's a couple of
- 33:59Speaker 5: crimes here that, if you look historically, are just called
- 34:03Speaker 5: the wrong thing. One is joy riding. We don't call
- 34:06Speaker 5: that stealing a car date rate, we should just call rape.
- 34:10Speaker 5: And peeping tom is nothing more than stalking with a
- 34:14Speaker 5: sexual motive. A peeping tom is a sexual predator, period two.
- 34:19Speaker 2: Jason Dennis joining us WTVM and wxt X. Jason tell
- 34:24Speaker 2: me about the alleged and I say alleged because none
- 34:28Speaker 2: of this.
- 34:29Speaker 1: Has been proven in a court of law.
- 34:30Speaker 2: In fact, he's still presumed innocent until it has been
- 34:33Speaker 2: proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Jason tell me about the
- 34:37Speaker 2: alleged peeping tom incident and the connected incident of him
- 34:42Speaker 2: allegedly trying to force another young co ed's door open
- 34:45Speaker 2: before Lakerim was found dead.
- 34:47Speaker 3: Yeah, these are, unfortunately, you know, seen as crimes of
- 34:50Speaker 3: opportunity because you have so many students, young co eds
- 34:54Speaker 3: on this campus in Athens, Georgia, and he is lying
- 34:59Speaker 3: in wait and watching uh, these young women younger than
- 35:04Speaker 3: him and kind of picking his prey. And he is
- 35:09Speaker 3: accused of or allegedly pulling up Lake and Riley's close
- 35:13Speaker 3: to sexually saw her, then hit her on the head,
- 35:16Speaker 3: asphyxiating her, according to prosecutors pleading. And he's not been
- 35:20Speaker 3: charged with sexual assault. The peeping toms a separate incident
- 35:24Speaker 3: as well, but he's pled not guilty to these ten
- 35:27Speaker 3: counts of malice, murder, kidnapping, aggravated assault, other crimes. I mean,
- 35:31Speaker 3: it's just a laundry list right now that is piling
- 35:34Speaker 3: up on a Bara and his defense team, and so
- 35:37Speaker 3: it it's something that that that it's going to be
- 35:40Speaker 3: very very difficult for them to unprove, to prove that
- 35:43Speaker 3: he is innocent. But they're they're grasping at straws right now.
- 35:46Speaker 3: And I think that the fact that you've got these
- 35:49Speaker 3: other separate cases peeping tom and other kind of this,
- 35:53Speaker 3: this track record that Bara has for these sexual related crimes,
- 35:58Speaker 3: I think that is part of what the prosecution will
- 36:02Speaker 3: use to as part of the foundation of their case.
- 36:05Speaker 2: Who murdered Laken Riley? And why we do know this?
- 36:11Speaker 2: We know the man charged Ibarra, a member of a
- 36:15Speaker 2: vicious Venezuelan gang that is infiltrating the US, was spotted
- 36:20Speaker 2: wearing plastic gloves. Why are you wearing plastic gloves in
- 36:24Speaker 2: the middle of the day. I hate to give the
- 36:26Speaker 2: defense any ideas, but I'm guessing that somehow they're going
- 36:30Speaker 2: to connect this to being a food server in the
- 36:33Speaker 2: UGA cafeteria. Also, I wonder why he's not charged with
- 36:38Speaker 2: any particular sex attack. Since her clothes had been let
- 36:43Speaker 2: me say, disheveled, he obviously attempted a sex attack. You know,
- 36:48Speaker 2: let me analyze very quickly some of these charges. Andrew Stoultman,
- 36:53Speaker 2: it's genius in the charging. I think that they did
- 36:57Speaker 2: not charge with an attempted sex attack because they may
- 37:00Speaker 2: fail improving that and you don't want to throw in
- 37:04Speaker 2: a bad.
- 37:04Speaker 1: Charge with other good charges.
- 37:06Speaker 2: One bad apple can spoil the whole thing, right, like
- 37:09Speaker 2: Michael Jackson said, So why throw in a weak charge
- 37:14Speaker 2: that could infect the other charges. Listen to this, Andrew Stoltman.
- 37:19Speaker 2: It's a defense attorney's worst nightmare. They've got in charge
- 37:22Speaker 2: with malice murder, which is intentional killing. And of course
- 37:28Speaker 2: malice or intent to kill does not require any particular
- 37:33Speaker 2: amount of time, such as a long process like poisoning
- 37:36Speaker 2: someone over weeks and months. It could be the time
- 37:39Speaker 2: it takes you to pick up a rock and bash
- 37:43Speaker 2: her skull. That's enough time to form intent under the law.
- 37:47Speaker 2: But just in case the jury doesn't buy it, Stoltman,
- 37:51Speaker 2: he's also charged with felony murder, the underlying felonies being
- 37:56Speaker 2: AG battery and AG assault kidnapping. Now what that means
- 38:02Speaker 2: is it doesn't matter if you intended to kill. If
- 38:06Speaker 2: very simply, if a death occurs during the commission of
- 38:10Speaker 2: a felony, that's felony murder. You don't need intent to kill,
- 38:14Speaker 2: and felony murder carries the same penalty in this jurisdiction
- 38:19Speaker 2: as does malice murder.
- 38:21Speaker 1: Genius charging, Yeah, absolutely.
- 38:23Speaker 7: I mean this obviously is in the first rodeo for
- 38:26Speaker 7: these prosecutors, and I think they want to make sure
- 38:28Speaker 7: and they lead with the tip of the spear, lead
- 38:30Speaker 7: with charges that they can absolutely positively prove. And all
- 38:35Speaker 7: of these are going to carry a lifetime prison sentence,
- 38:38Speaker 7: so you know these are good prosecutors. They're going to
- 38:41Speaker 7: hammer this guy. I think it's going to be a game,
- 38:44Speaker 7: set and.
- 38:44Speaker 10: Match for him.
- 38:45Speaker 2: One weak link in the jury could be disastrous. One
- 38:51Speaker 2: person that finds an issue with the fingerprint with the DNA.
- 38:56Speaker 2: I'm not sure how they're challenging the DNA. I think
- 38:59Speaker 2: it's because of the search warrant. But that said, all
- 39:02Speaker 2: it takes is one weak link. I mean, I want
- 39:06Speaker 2: you to hear this. Cheryl, during the attack on Lacoln,
- 39:12Speaker 2: the perp allegedly prevents her from calling nine one one,
- 39:17Speaker 2: just like in Molly Tibbett's murder, then uses an object
- 39:21Speaker 2: which we believe to be a rock, to beat her
- 39:24Speaker 2: in the head so badly her skull is crushed disfigured.
- 39:31Speaker 1: Then he's accused it. I don't know why.
- 39:33Speaker 2: This isn't in the indictment of not only asphyxiating her,
- 39:37Speaker 2: but trying to pull her clothes off to sex assault her.
- 39:41Speaker 2: Then he drags her body from the intramural fields to
- 39:44Speaker 2: a secluded area to conceal it. I mean, think about it.
- 39:49Speaker 1: It's again. It's like a wolf out in the wild, Cheryl.
- 39:54Speaker 5: He targeted her as soon as he saw her. This
- 39:56Speaker 5: was absolutely a crime of opportunity. What you were say
- 40:00Speaker 5: seeing is a sexually motivated predator, a motivated sexual assault.
- 40:06Speaker 5: Whether he completed what he intended or not. Maybe he
- 40:10Speaker 5: got disrupted because somebody else was coming down the path.
- 40:13Speaker 5: Maybe he heard people talking and laughing.
- 40:16Speaker 1: I don't know.
- 40:17Speaker 5: But what we do know is he at a level
- 40:22Speaker 5: of murder, took a life of someone he simply saw
- 40:27Speaker 5: in a moment.
- 40:29Speaker 2: As we go to air, there are challenges to the
- 40:32Speaker 2: state's evidence. The defendant wants the pipping Tom severed. Why
- 40:39Speaker 2: he doesn't want the jury to know he's a PERV.
- 40:43Speaker 2: They are challenging the search warrant. That search warrant yielded
- 40:49Speaker 2: very valuable probative evidence, evidence that proves something. If that
- 40:54Speaker 2: search warrant attack prevails, much of the evidence will be suppressed.
- 41:05Speaker 2: We are also seeing, as in the Brian Coburger case,
- 41:09Speaker 2: a demand for a change of venue the defense saying
- 41:14Speaker 2: the defendant cannot get a fair trial in Athensy, Georgia.
- 41:20Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye friend,