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My Apology Tour · Life Will Be the Death of Me with Chelsea Handler

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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Chelsea Handler. Welcome to Life Will Be the
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Speaker 1: Death of Me production of I Heart Radio. You may
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Speaker 1: know me from my shows, my TV shows Chelsea on
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Speaker 1: Netflix or Chelsea Lately, or Chelsea Does Series on Netflix,
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Speaker 1: or any of my books. I am doing a limited
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Speaker 1: series podcast to go hand in hand with my sit
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Speaker 1: down comedy tour about my book called Life Will Be
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Speaker 1: the Death of Me. I wrote a book about me
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Speaker 1: seeing a psychiatrist for the first real time in my
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Speaker 1: life and getting real about childhood, trauma, loss, grief, all
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Speaker 1: of the things that none of us ever really want
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Speaker 1: to deal with. I dealt with him at forty two
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Speaker 1: and still dealing with them now. But I have to
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Speaker 1: say I feel a lot better, a lot more grounded,
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Speaker 1: and a lot happier. So I just kind of want
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Speaker 1: to take everybody through my journey of taking this book
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Speaker 1: on the road, of talking to all the different people
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Speaker 1: on the road who are going to interview me in
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Speaker 1: different cities. Jake Tapper's in d C. I have Annie
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Speaker 1: Britten in Austin and Dallas, and I have Natasha Leone
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Speaker 1: in New York. I have all sorts of fun people,
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Speaker 1: and I also have my psychiatrist, Dan Siegel, who will
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Speaker 1: be coming on to talk with me about me, my
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Speaker 1: problems and potentially you and yours and how we can
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Speaker 1: all kind of get better at being people. And my
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Speaker 1: bff Mary McCormick, who you may recognize her from The
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Speaker 1: West Wing or from In Plain Sight, a show she
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Speaker 1: was on for many years and most recently on The
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Speaker 1: Kids Are All Right on ABC. She lives ten minutes
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Speaker 1: away from me and has had to deal with my
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Speaker 1: behavior for the longest amount of time out of all
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Speaker 1: of my friends. So I will be starting the podcast
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Speaker 1: with her. She's my best friend and she knows all
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Speaker 1: the really embarrassing stuff that didn't make the book. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for joining us today. It sounds so I feel
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Speaker 1: like a little bit um Oprah crossed with something else
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Speaker 1: that's with with Gail. And then here we are, and
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Speaker 1: we're sitting here with Brandon, who is my brand And
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Speaker 1: how would you describe your position with me? It's a
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Speaker 1: woman of the night. Yeah, I tell people were platonic
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Speaker 1: life partners. So we're basically, Yes, you're my assistant and
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Speaker 1: my decision maker, and I love that you've decided to
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Speaker 1: do your first podcast with your assistant. Well, he knows
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Speaker 1: the most about I love it. I just love it
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Speaker 1: because you admit that you don't do much without the
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Speaker 1: help from an assistant. But this is sort of I mean,
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Speaker 1: I love it. Yes, I actually think it's going to
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Speaker 1: be great because you're funny and smart and you do
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Speaker 1: know Chelsea sort of as well as anyone. But I
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Speaker 1: also think it's an incredible completion in your journey have
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Speaker 1: come full So just admitting that you don't want to
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Speaker 1: do anything without the help from many assistants. Right, So
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Speaker 1: it's it's basically like it's a three sixty because I
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Speaker 1: started out wanting to become more self sufficient, and in
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Speaker 1: that like year of therapy and self exploration, I realized
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Speaker 1: that it's is better for me to have an assistance.
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Speaker 1: It's overrated all that independence. Yes, it's best that Brandon
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Speaker 1: is a side was close to my son. I would
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Speaker 1: like him, Yes, So I decided that, you know, independence
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Speaker 1: is great if you've you know, but why push it? Well,
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Speaker 1: I pushed something when I'm not good at it, and
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Speaker 1: I have so many other strengths that I want to
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Speaker 1: focus on. Right, that's really smart. So Brandon, let me
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Speaker 1: take you back because I know you How long have
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Speaker 1: you been assisting me about three years. Almost three years, okay,
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Speaker 1: so that's not even that long. But before that he
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Speaker 1: worked on Chelsea Lately. Were you an intern? And then
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Speaker 1: when you asked him was well, I mean, I'm just
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Speaker 1: confirming the story that I've heard. So I don't know
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Speaker 1: if you know how I met Mary originally on the
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Speaker 1: show now, yeah, yeah, I interview on the show, and
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Speaker 1: then we went to some women's event the next night.
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Speaker 1: And we liked each other on the show because she
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Speaker 1: was bad mouthing her children and talking about how annoying
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Speaker 1: they were, and I was like, I can respect that.
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Speaker 1: And then we went to that. I forget what kind
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Speaker 1: of event it was, but it was for women about
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Speaker 1: women and how to be stronger. And it was way
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Speaker 1: before I had the luxury. I don't know how to
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Speaker 1: frame it. It was a time where I didn't take
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Speaker 1: the events like that as seriously as I should have.
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Speaker 1: I kind of was like, oh, god, women talking about
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Speaker 1: being powerful women. It's like, just go be a powerful woman.
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Speaker 1: Why do you have to talk about it all the time.
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Speaker 1: That was about ten years ago. So then she asked
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Speaker 1: me if I smoked, and I said sure, and she goes, oh,
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Speaker 1: let's go out and smoke a cigarette. I was like, okay, great,
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Speaker 1: we walked outside, I handed her cigarette goes oh, no,
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Speaker 1: I quit. I can't do it, but please just blow
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Speaker 1: the smoke into my face. No, I said, blown into
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Speaker 1: my tits? Why? And then it goes longer. I get
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Speaker 1: more of it. You're describing your tits as long right now. No,
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Speaker 1: I'm saying I get the smoke experience for a longer
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Speaker 1: period of time. Meaning if you aim at my face,
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Speaker 1: I always say aim at my boobe. But that is
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Speaker 1: how we became friends. I wanted to heal your second cigarette, right.
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Speaker 1: I think I made a comment about drinking and you
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Speaker 1: were like cheers to that, and we were both on
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Speaker 1: the same page with like having a good time and
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Speaker 1: not taking you know, Hollywood too seriously. This is a
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Speaker 1: relatively quick relationship. Yeah. I think we made a dinner
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Speaker 1: plan that week anyway, So the relationship started from there.
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Speaker 1: And I would like to introduce in order to get
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Speaker 1: a full landscape of our relationship because our lives are
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Speaker 1: very different. You're a mother of three, you're married, you
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Speaker 1: know you take your responsibilities seriously. Well, yes, you're right,
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Speaker 1: and Irish Catholic, you have a lot of like Catholic guilt.
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Speaker 1: You want to do you like to show up and
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Speaker 1: work hard and hustle and be a good person. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: those thank you. I mean I think that's a compliment.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure in sound like, yes, those are true.
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Speaker 1: That's true for the most part. I don't always do that,
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Speaker 1: but that's my aim. Brandon, would you agree with Have
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Speaker 1: you noticed these things about Mary? And I've observed the
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Speaker 1: same things. Okay, great, I would say that these are
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Speaker 1: all the things that I would think of when I
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Speaker 1: think of you. That's nice. I sound pretty together. Yes,
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Speaker 1: So I'm not together. I don't have a lot of response.
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Speaker 1: I have responsible relities, but they're like man made or
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Speaker 1: you know, it's debatable what kind of responsibilities I have.
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Speaker 1: But I don't have children, and I like to get
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Speaker 1: up and you know, fly away and go on trips
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Speaker 1: and impromptu vacations and stuff. So I have a different lifestyle.
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Speaker 1: I think that's true. But I do think I mean,
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Speaker 1: I think some people have kids and they don't have
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Speaker 1: a lot of responsibilities. So I don't think that just
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Speaker 1: the having kids makes it meaning. I think you actually
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Speaker 1: do have a lot of responsibilities and you sort of
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Speaker 1: do show up a lot to things, and I mean,
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Speaker 1: you say you're gonna be there, you're there. You get
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Speaker 1: more done in one day than I do. Well, I
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Speaker 1: don't know if that's true, but I like to show
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Speaker 1: up when I say I'm gonna show up. We're both
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Speaker 1: like that. We don't like to blow things off. We're
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Speaker 1: not flaky. Neither one of us are like that. And
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Speaker 1: in this town that's good because you're although we should
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Speaker 1: be more flaky. I would argue if if I just
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Speaker 1: want to like, you know, I think you know what
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about, and I think I have to learn
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Speaker 1: a stronger lesson about not saying yes to people that
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Speaker 1: are not necessary to hang out with. I do that
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Speaker 1: work well, I would argue that you do it too
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Speaker 1: that I said for from that more. Yeah, it's people
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Speaker 1: people pleasing. Yes, I suffer from that. My friend Shawna
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Speaker 1: calls it the Mary McCormick disease because she thinks I will,
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Speaker 1: like I suffer from it and will never get over it.
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Speaker 1: This is what I call the Mary McCormick when I
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Speaker 1: if I ever see it again, I will call it that.
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Speaker 1: But I haven't because almost nobody in the world does.
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Speaker 1: It is She was at a party at a cocktail party,
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Speaker 1: sitting on a stool kind of like a bar stool,
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Speaker 1: talking to two men confidently and for a long time,
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Speaker 1: like very confidently. Legs like you know, in jeans, but
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Speaker 1: open like splayed like a guy like you do on
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Speaker 1: a stool, like a guy does on a stool. That's right, right,
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Speaker 1: Well we're guys basically. I mean, I would say I'm
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Speaker 1: more masculine than feminine, excluding these two juggernauts. Um, yes,
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Speaker 1: and do you want to finish this? Finish it? I
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I don't know that there's that
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Speaker 1: much relevance to this story. I don't know why. Well
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Speaker 1: I just call it a Mary McCormick. And I want
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Speaker 1: people to know because I'm because I made a fool
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Speaker 1: of myself. So I looked at after a long time
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Speaker 1: of chatting, I looked down and I saw my vagina.
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Speaker 1: My button on my jeans was still done, but the
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Speaker 1: actual zipper was down. So there was just a triangle
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Speaker 1: of vagina. Vagina, Yeah, people care, and also just vagina
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Speaker 1: fat like like a little you know, the flesh on
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Speaker 1: the vagina what I call the pincushion, you know what
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Speaker 1: I mean. So, and and it was made more like
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Speaker 1: pincushion sq because the jeans was forcing it, you know,
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Speaker 1: like it was almost poof out a bit. Yes, like
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Speaker 1: you would do something if you wanted something to be poofy.
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Speaker 1: I don't wear vagina was peacocket. I don't wear a
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Speaker 1: lot of underwear. That's correct. Yeah, yeah, she doesn't wear
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Speaker 1: a lot of underhere, she doesn't wear underwear. I underwear yesterday. Why,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think you get used to having
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Speaker 1: a thong up your house if you do it long
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Speaker 1: and right. That's like people who spin and they're like,
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Speaker 1: eventually you can't feel the pain in your vagina. Guess what.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to lose that pain. My other favorite
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Speaker 1: Mary McCormick story is when she was driving to Pasadena
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Speaker 1: and she carries a thermis with her, long before it
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Speaker 1: was cool or what was it cool? But I didn't
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Speaker 1: know they got cool. I like, I like a coffee thermis. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and you were driving and you texted me a picture.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't a picture of what happened. But can you
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Speaker 1: take us through that story. I'm just doing this this
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Speaker 1: exposition because I want people to know the glue that
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Speaker 1: keeps us together? Is this the glue. Perhaps, Wow, I
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Speaker 1: didn't know it was that. I'm happy to share it.
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Speaker 1: It's I mean, it's it's I think you think this
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Speaker 1: is my most humiliating story. I don't think of it
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Speaker 1: that way, but I think of it as completely resourceful.
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Speaker 1: I'm proud of myself for how I handled it. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's not ideal. I wouldn't want it to happen again.
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Speaker 1: I was driving and I was in traffic, but really
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Speaker 1: bad l a traffic whether I couldn't go left and
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Speaker 1: I couldn't go right. There was nowhere to turn, I
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Speaker 1: mean the cars in front of me and backwards, and
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden I had to go to the
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Speaker 1: bathroom and not number one. I had to shut I
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Speaker 1: should do be That's what I call it. Yeah, but
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Speaker 1: it was like my stemp for it to happen that quickly.
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Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, this could be anything. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what nature of shoudubi was going to
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Speaker 1: come out, because I just knew that something was about
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Speaker 1: to happen, either in my clothes or I guess, on
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Speaker 1: the side of the road. I mean, I was in
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Speaker 1: a full panic. I didn't know what to do. I
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Speaker 1: couldn't go anymore. I hope for you would be the
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Speaker 1: side of the road, but that would get arrested for that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you can't just get out of your car.
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Speaker 1: And that's my hope for you. I would like to
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Speaker 1: see next time. I think we already gave the story
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Speaker 1: away by your leading. But luckily I had my thermos,
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Speaker 1: and I could see that if the car, if my
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Speaker 1: car could sort of inch up, even just two more feet,
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Speaker 1: there's an alley way I could get down. I couldn't
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Speaker 1: turn down a real there's no real streets, but I
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Speaker 1: could get down this alleyway. And so I managed to
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Speaker 1: do that, like I managed to sort of ride the
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Speaker 1: curb a little and get down this alleyway. And then
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Speaker 1: I pulled over, and I thought, what am I? I
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Speaker 1: have to ship? But if I get out and do
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Speaker 1: it in the alleyway, there's windows like business is looking
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Speaker 1: down onto the alleyway. I'm going to get in trouble.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get arrested or call it or and I
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Speaker 1: don't know how long it's going to take. I mean
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Speaker 1: I might be I might be squatting for I don't know.
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Speaker 1: And so I emptied my thermis out the car. Coffee
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Speaker 1: coffee out of the car, and I took the Luckily,
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Speaker 1: I have shopping bags in my car paper, you know,
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Speaker 1: grocery bags because your mom. Well, yeah, because you should too.
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Speaker 1: But anyway, and then I, well, Brandon does, I'm sure right,
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Speaker 1: So I put garbage bags on my seat, and then
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Speaker 1: I took the thermis and I'm doing a turning motion
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Speaker 1: with my hand because luckily, it's a very thin Japanese thermis,
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Speaker 1: and so the top is maybe like this, maybe an
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Speaker 1: inchure inch and a half two inches probably wide, and
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Speaker 1: I put it up to my butt, but like tight,
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Speaker 1: a tight fit, not quite in, but definitely in adjacent,
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Speaker 1: like really close to in, so that there could be
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Speaker 1: no accident. And then I pooped into my thermis and
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Speaker 1: then I screwed the top back on. I have wipes
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Speaker 1: in my car as well, because I'm a mom. I
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Speaker 1: always have wipes. And so really the whole thing was
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Speaker 1: as I mean, it was as if it never happened.
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Speaker 1: I it sounds like a very easy transition, I mean
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Speaker 1: I was the only hard part was getting in the
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Speaker 1: position to get the thermis is about you know, it's
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Speaker 1: tall and thin, So getting up enough in my car
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Speaker 1: to get the thermis under my bum but I could do.
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Speaker 1: I did it obviously, and then there was a dumpster
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Speaker 1: through the whole thing away thermis bags wipes. See, I
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Speaker 1: was if it never happened. Felt great. Yeah, I mean
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Speaker 1: it's almost like it's never happened. But I would feel
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Speaker 1: like it would be hard to place that into the area,
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Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't feel confident like this thermis right here,
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Speaker 1: the YETI with a big opening, then I would have
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Speaker 1: confidence that I would think, oh, I'm going to aim
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Speaker 1: in the wrong. I got it, I got it. Was
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Speaker 1: no aim, I'm not aiming. And that's tricky because you
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Speaker 1: didn't know what sort of situation is going to come
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Speaker 1: out of there. I had a sense that there was
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Speaker 1: not a full, big, solid action just based on my
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Speaker 1: how fastily I sensed that this might have a liquid
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Speaker 1: quality to it. I feel proud of my resourcefulness and
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Speaker 1: that my car has everything, and my car has everything
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Speaker 1: you need to survive, Yeah, it does. It's car. Yeah, Brandon,
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Speaker 1: you should have that in your car for me? Which
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Speaker 1: is my bag? I need? Yeah? I don't need snacks.
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Speaker 1: I should, like, you know, things that can save my life.
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Speaker 1: I think the question is is what do you do?
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Speaker 1: With the thermis. You know, throw it away? I know,
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Speaker 1: but I bet you there are some people that I
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Speaker 1: did love that thermis. It's a Japanese thermis. It's a
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Speaker 1: great one. But I threw it away. I have more.
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Speaker 1: It's a weird start to this. No it's not. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I just wonder why you find it, And then I think,
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Speaker 1: didn't I get a text from you this year saying
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Speaker 1: you also pooped in your thermis. No, I didn't poop.
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Speaker 1: I peed in my thermis. I was visiting my uncle
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Speaker 1: and I pulled over and I had to pee so badly,
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Speaker 1: and I just I had to pull over on a
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Speaker 1: very busy street actually and empty the thermis and then
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Speaker 1: get into my car put it. But the vagina, you know,
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Speaker 1: like that I know how to do. Also, was it this?
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Speaker 1: Because you know that's not a real thermist, that's this
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Speaker 1: is a yettie. This is for Yeah, this is not
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Speaker 1: to do. It's almost like a toilet. I mean, that's
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Speaker 1: not really a t I don't know if I could
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Speaker 1: get a smaller thing around my vagina either, I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure would be harder because the peeing gets a little
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Speaker 1: but harder than the butthole. This I aligned it quite.
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Speaker 1: It was a snug aligne matter. We got that loud
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Speaker 1: and clear through all three times. She's taking a sip
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Speaker 1: out of it now anyway, Uh, Mary and my friendship
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Speaker 1: has lasted a how long have we been friends since
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Speaker 1: Rosie was a little girl? Like probably six months after
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Speaker 1: Rosie was born, which is probably one of my longest
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Speaker 1: last relationships actually longer. So yeah. So and Brandon, um,
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Speaker 1: you haven't been here the whole relationship time, but Mary has.
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Speaker 1: And so you've seen me go through a lot of
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Speaker 1: different phases as I've seen you go through well less
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Speaker 1: probably I haven't seen you go through many phases. I
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Speaker 1: would say different work experiences, but I mean like, um,
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Speaker 1: you know emotional or therapy phases you have. I started
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Speaker 1: going into therapy. Well yeah, I mean yeah, you went
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Speaker 1: yeah absolutely and started meditating and you know, yeah, you
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Speaker 1: were the one you started doing t M and then
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Speaker 1: you said it really helped you. I love it, and
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Speaker 1: I yeah, and I do. You still do it every
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Speaker 1: day although my sometimes my second meditation is like right
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Speaker 1: before bed um, and when you did that, like I
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Speaker 1: remember we would be in the Bahamas and you guys
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Speaker 1: were meditating and you go over on a hammock and
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Speaker 1: come back and say, oh my gosh, I fell asleep meditating,
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, what the fund is that? Like, how
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Speaker 1: could you get so relaxed in the middle of the day.
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Speaker 1: I had no understanding of it. I knew that people
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Speaker 1: liked it, Brandon, do you meditate? No? I try. I
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Speaker 1: can't get into it. I can't stay relaxed long enough. Right,
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Speaker 1: have you tried smoking pot? And meditating kind of defeats
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Speaker 1: the purpose, but it's a good gameway drug to get
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Speaker 1: you there. Yeah, And I did it for about ten
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Speaker 1: minutes that time, and I forgot what I was doing,
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Speaker 1: So I don't know if it really worked out. I
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Speaker 1: think forgetting what you're doing is great, but I don't know.
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Speaker 1: That was just suddenly on the floor and I'm like,
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Speaker 1: what am I doing down here? I couldn't remember why
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Speaker 1: had braced myself. So when I decided that, oh, I
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Speaker 1: didn't think. I didn't take your meditation, like I didn't
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Speaker 1: want to meditate myself, Like I never had that desire. No,
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Speaker 1: you had a little disdain, Yeah, well yeah, yeah, a
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Speaker 1: little disdain sure, definitely, Like I was happy, but I
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Speaker 1: don't think you really like I didn't Yeah, I didn't
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Speaker 1: think I could. I thought it was good for a
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Speaker 1: lot of people, but I wouldn't get anything out of it.
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Speaker 1: But it's also you get this very judgmental um feeling,
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Speaker 1: at least for me, about people who went to therapy.
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Speaker 1: Because I was in this town. It's a lot of
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Speaker 1: I coupled that with colonics and cleanses and kale and
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Speaker 1: you know to what I realized is you can go
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Speaker 1: to therapy and still take a run, right right, Like
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Speaker 1: it was no shame in just saying I need some help. Yeah.
16:43
Speaker 1: So now I'm meditating every morning, you're meditating, and Brandon
16:47
Speaker 1: you're just masturbating before you go getting and finding himself
16:49
Speaker 1: on the floor apparently. But tonight I'm going to go
16:52
Speaker 1: home and go into meditating. Well yeah, you know, I mean,
16:55
Speaker 1: don't feel peer pressure. I mean, this is one of
16:57
Speaker 1: the This is a conversation a that I never thought
17:00
Speaker 1: I would be sitting around having. I copy that. Yeah, right,
17:03
Speaker 1: I mean talking about meditating and we have I mean
17:07
Speaker 1: we are almost in our fifties. You already are fifty.
17:10
Speaker 1: I don't need to I'm forty four. Just for the record,
17:12
Speaker 1: I just want to want to know what's what the
17:14
Speaker 1: deal is here because sometimes Mary gets confused and groups
17:16
Speaker 1: us together. It's true, but then it's always comforting when
17:20
Speaker 1: people come up and say she looks older. Yeah, I
17:22
Speaker 1: mean people will always say that about me, and I
17:24
Speaker 1: think it's because I'm so mature. Getting back into the
17:28
Speaker 1: friendship kind of where it started. Did you know right
17:30
Speaker 1: away that it wasn't going to be just a Hollywood
17:32
Speaker 1: friendship that was gonna last you know, a few like
17:34
Speaker 1: dinner dates and then taper off. No, because you don't
17:38
Speaker 1: know that you know, no, but I mean you do. Yeah, No,
17:42
Speaker 1: I mean because in this time you meet people all
17:44
Speaker 1: the time, and like sometimes you know, a first impression
17:46
Speaker 1: is a great impression, and then it's the wrong impression,
17:49
Speaker 1: and sometimes people are slower burned. I mean, we were
17:51
Speaker 1: instant friends, but we we were just like, you know,
17:55
Speaker 1: very similar. It could have got either way, that's true.
17:58
Speaker 1: But this friendship seems different than friendships that you have
18:01
Speaker 1: with anyone else, Like you two together, and why do
18:03
Speaker 1: you think that is? Like? What is it that Mary
18:06
Speaker 1: does for you that her relationship has endured when others haven't.
18:10
Speaker 1: What's your opinion of our relationship? Before I answer questions,
18:13
Speaker 1: you've seen us like you've seen the dynamic of our
18:15
Speaker 1: relationship and we've been friends for like eleven plus years
18:19
Speaker 1: and change. I think Mary is kind of the way
18:21
Speaker 1: you describe what you want in a man that I
18:23
Speaker 1: think that she now I do like I Mary is
18:30
Speaker 1: has like an authority to her, and I think she
18:31
Speaker 1: puts you in your place when you need it. I
18:33
Speaker 1: think like she tells you the truth, even if it's
18:36
Speaker 1: not going to benefit her, Like she's that honest friend
18:40
Speaker 1: that you have that you can go to know you're
18:42
Speaker 1: going to get a really answer. So if she thinks
18:44
Speaker 1: you know, what you're doing is garbage, but everyone else
18:46
Speaker 1: is telling you it's great, you know you can rely
18:48
Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, I would say most of the time
18:51
Speaker 1: you tell me the truth. I think you try to
18:52
Speaker 1: spare my feelings sometimes, though, like I probably wouldn't know
18:56
Speaker 1: the best way to go about getting the truth, asking
18:59
Speaker 1: in a way that I think that would indicate that
19:02
Speaker 1: I don't care about the answer. Maybe it depends on
19:04
Speaker 1: the issue. I mean, I think there have been times
19:06
Speaker 1: where big things have happened where I say that was unacceptable,
19:10
Speaker 1: unacceptable When I made our friend cry at dinner one
19:12
Speaker 1: night we were at a restaurant in l A and
19:15
Speaker 1: we went out to dinner. There was four of us. Yeah,
19:18
Speaker 1: it was just I mean, it was just completely unnecessary. Yeah.
19:21
Speaker 1: I was really pissed at my friend and I just
19:23
Speaker 1: kind of went off on her and she just sat
19:25
Speaker 1: there crying, and then I left in a restaurant though,
19:27
Speaker 1: where we knew tons of I was like, you could
19:29
Speaker 1: have just done that in a healthier way tomorrow, you know.
19:31
Speaker 1: So I mean I think, like, look, I do think
19:33
Speaker 1: we both sort of honor each other with the truth.
19:36
Speaker 1: I mean that there's been times where I hurt your
19:37
Speaker 1: feelings and she says it, which I value. And you know,
19:41
Speaker 1: I have very few friends who do that. I mean,
19:43
Speaker 1: I have a handful of friends who say, hey, you know,
19:45
Speaker 1: when you did that thing, it sort of sucks, it
19:48
Speaker 1: sort of actually hurts my feelings, and I value it,
19:51
Speaker 1: even though it's hard to hear in the moment. I
19:52
Speaker 1: do value it because it means at least your friendship
19:55
Speaker 1: is worth that you know that they're not lying to
19:57
Speaker 1: you and building a presentment. And so I think we
20:00
Speaker 1: do that pretty well. I mean, I think we've gotten
20:03
Speaker 1: pretty good at that over the years. Well, okay, so
20:05
Speaker 1: looking back at that instance in the restaurant, would you
20:08
Speaker 1: like pre therapy and post therapy? That was pretty therapy?
20:11
Speaker 1: In fact, I would say that was probably one of
20:13
Speaker 1: the That time period was a pretty angry time period
20:18
Speaker 1: for you. Fair. I'm trying to think what period of
20:21
Speaker 1: time in my life it was, but I'm sure you're right.
20:23
Speaker 1: I think it was right before you decided to leave. Yeah,
20:28
Speaker 1: And I was you know, done before it was over. Yes.
20:31
Speaker 1: And when you look back on that instance, do you
20:33
Speaker 1: think that there are things that you like now, the
20:35
Speaker 1: tools that you've learned in therapy that you would have
20:37
Speaker 1: been able to apply or would you still just to
20:40
Speaker 1: do that now? No, I'm not emotional now like in
20:43
Speaker 1: that way. I think one of the things with therapies
20:45
Speaker 1: you learn all these lessons, they give you all the tools,
20:47
Speaker 1: but then to actually apply them as a lot harder.
20:49
Speaker 1: Then you go out and get into a fucking screaming
20:51
Speaker 1: match with a parking lot attendant after you've been meditating
20:53
Speaker 1: for thirty minutes. Well, you're not going to be perfect,
20:56
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's not. I don't think meditation
20:58
Speaker 1: or any of that. Stoor therapy makes you heal. That
21:00
Speaker 1: just makes you able to at least acknowledge what's going
21:03
Speaker 1: on now. You're a big believer in therapy, and when
21:06
Speaker 1: she wanted to get into it, did you like what, no,
21:09
Speaker 1: what do you think? I'm was thrilled, but you sort
21:11
Speaker 1: of snuck into it, like she even she was sort
21:14
Speaker 1: of like one of those people who gets sober but
21:16
Speaker 1: doesn't say I'm sober now. They just are like, I'm
21:18
Speaker 1: not drinking this month, and then it's two months, and
21:20
Speaker 1: then it's six months. And I mean, I think you
21:22
Speaker 1: sort of approached your therapy the same way, like because
21:24
Speaker 1: she said that she liked the way Dan explain things
21:27
Speaker 1: and Dan Segel, who is your what will we call
21:30
Speaker 1: him your psychiatrist? Psychiatrist? He is very scientific with the
21:34
Speaker 1: way he delivers information. But then months earlier you'd gone
21:37
Speaker 1: to a hypnotist to quit smoking. So that's like a
21:39
Speaker 1: huge juxtaposition between I want somebody, I think that is
21:43
Speaker 1: I think that's scientific, seems very l A like very
21:48
Speaker 1: I think there's a ton of people in l A
21:49
Speaker 1: who probably are not actual hypnotherapists, who who you know,
21:53
Speaker 1: it won't work, but that is in I mean, lots
21:56
Speaker 1: of people are changed their behavior based on HYPNOTHERPI I'll
21:59
Speaker 1: carry gainer who was or hypnotists. We've sent other family
22:02
Speaker 1: members there to quit smoking and they all stick with it.
22:04
Speaker 1: So whatever he's doing works. But to me it seems
22:06
Speaker 1: like wacky that, like I'm going to go to a
22:09
Speaker 1: hypnotist for this, but it's not like getting exactly. She
22:13
Speaker 1: didn't go like find out what her aura palette is
22:16
Speaker 1: she at home palette because I don't want to do
22:22
Speaker 1: she got it done on the Netflix show by Megan Fox.
22:26
Speaker 1: They did something with her aura. Do you remember I
22:28
Speaker 1: have to dig that out of the garage. Le let's
22:30
Speaker 1: rewatch that episode together when we get home today. Would
22:33
Speaker 1: you say, in your estimation since this year I just
22:36
Speaker 1: tried to put aside for myself and self awareness and betterment,
22:40
Speaker 1: do you think that I've become better or less dependent
22:43
Speaker 1: on you? Definitely? I think that you have become more independent,
22:47
Speaker 1: less dependent on me in a lot of ways. But
22:50
Speaker 1: for me it was always like I would tell you,
22:51
Speaker 1: and I think sometimes I would tell you in times
22:53
Speaker 1: where you were already frustrated, so it's hard to hear.
22:55
Speaker 1: But there's a difference in wanting to do something and
22:58
Speaker 1: being able to do something. And for me, like when
23:01
Speaker 1: I'm gone when I'm no longer your assistant. I want
23:04
Speaker 1: you to be able to do them like you should
23:06
Speaker 1: know how to do things, even if you don't mind
23:09
Speaker 1: up another person. Just let's be reasonable, I know, honestly,
23:12
Speaker 1: like you think after I'm done with well, that's not
23:14
Speaker 1: a good way acast. I thought you said we were
23:18
Speaker 1: getting married. This is my two weeks notice. I thought
23:23
Speaker 1: you said you wanted to be married. We are. We're
23:24
Speaker 1: going to be like Craig and Ellen. So what are
23:26
Speaker 1: you talking about to move on? I thought, I'm just
23:28
Speaker 1: saying when we get married and we find an assistant
23:32
Speaker 1: to support both of us. Um. But that's why I
23:35
Speaker 1: think the difference is. And I think that you've been
23:37
Speaker 1: more willing to try and do things yourself, which is
23:39
Speaker 1: a lot of people won't do. So I think that's
23:41
Speaker 1: really positive. Okay, we're gonna take a quick break and
23:44
Speaker 1: we'll be right back. So do you think post Chelsea
23:51
Speaker 1: you would be worried less? Like if that were true
23:53
Speaker 1: what she said, I mean post therapy, Yeah, for sure,
23:58
Speaker 1: because there's a gentler reaction to everything. You know, she's
24:02
Speaker 1: she's what do you see it in the most? Do
24:04
Speaker 1: you think with the way she responds, Now, I just
24:07
Speaker 1: think I see it even in UM. I mean, she's
24:11
Speaker 1: always been inquisitive, like meeting people and stuff, but she
24:15
Speaker 1: also has a Sometimes if someone says something stupid or
24:19
Speaker 1: is just a little bit boring, she used to just
24:21
Speaker 1: be like I could see her glaze over, and then
24:23
Speaker 1: I'd be like, we should go because it's going to
24:25
Speaker 1: get soon. She'll just stay to their face like are
24:27
Speaker 1: you serious for that story? Like she would really, and
24:30
Speaker 1: then we'd have like an awkward exit where I'm going, hey,
24:33
Speaker 1: it's okay, Like behind her, she's already in the car
24:35
Speaker 1: going Mary in the car yelling at me because I'm
24:39
Speaker 1: inside doing the apology tour, so that I'm less on
24:43
Speaker 1: the Apology to That's what we should call my book,
24:45
Speaker 1: to the Apology to our great idea. I'm sorry everyone.
24:49
Speaker 1: That's when this whole podcast should be called the Apology.
24:51
Speaker 1: It should be called with the Orange because of the
24:53
Speaker 1: Orange team of the book. Aren't you glad I went
24:54
Speaker 1: to therapy? That would be not that, But I am
25:00
Speaker 1: really glad you're into therapy because I did do a
25:02
Speaker 1: lot of you know, in fairness to her and asked
25:06
Speaker 1: me to do it, And maybe that's my own codependent craziness,
25:09
Speaker 1: wanting to be like disease. I don't know, but I
25:11
Speaker 1: did often do like a clean up before I would
25:15
Speaker 1: then get in the car. Do you do you think
25:18
Speaker 1: that there's a way that you have responded best to
25:20
Speaker 1: therapy that you're like, Okay, now I can deal with
25:22
Speaker 1: annoying people more or yeah, I mean that's been made
25:25
Speaker 1: much more patient. You're kinder. I mean, I have to
25:27
Speaker 1: say I think it comes from an increased empathy level.
25:30
Speaker 1: I'm sure, which you can call it whatever you want,
25:31
Speaker 1: but it's a kinder person. It's a kind of it's
25:33
Speaker 1: a more patient person. Right, So if someone is bombing
25:37
Speaker 1: on a story or a joke or not that you were,
25:40
Speaker 1: I mean you just have it. You had to cut
25:41
Speaker 1: off switch like it would get annoyed real quick and
25:45
Speaker 1: then and then not be able to hide it, right,
25:47
Speaker 1: And now she has a much more you laugh at
25:49
Speaker 1: jokes that are like you're just it's a sweeter amston
25:53
Speaker 1: a lot, yes, and that helps. I mean I actually
25:57
Speaker 1: think that whatever that chemistry is probably should be working
26:01
Speaker 1: for a ton of people. You know, don't use cannabis
26:05
Speaker 1: right now, because I don't I lose my mind, like
26:08
Speaker 1: it's not fun for me. It's just scary. But I'm not.
26:12
Speaker 1: She can't smoke up. She can't. I really think I'm dying.
26:15
Speaker 1: I think like it's not I think that's just not
26:17
Speaker 1: the right mix. Then, like she's fine with the way
26:21
Speaker 1: she is. She doesn't need it. I needed it to
26:23
Speaker 1: cut my reaction time, you know what I mean, or
26:26
Speaker 1: ad reaction time. I do think it adds. I mean,
26:30
Speaker 1: I do think it's a love drug. It's a nice
26:31
Speaker 1: it's you know, people on pot aren't beating each other up,
26:34
Speaker 1: They're they're kinder to each other. So I think in
26:38
Speaker 1: that respect, I'm all for it. Okay, So oh, I
26:41
Speaker 1: have an idea. Let's talk about where we started when
26:45
Speaker 1: when I started writing this book, where you and I,
26:48
Speaker 1: where we started after the election, to where we are now.
26:50
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that, and Brandon feel free to chime in.
26:54
Speaker 1: Do you want to start? Well, I mean we could
26:56
Speaker 1: start by just saying that we had different expectations of
26:59
Speaker 1: the election. Yeah, okay, I was sure Trump was going
27:02
Speaker 1: to win and I was sure that he was not.
27:06
Speaker 1: And you watched at my house with all my girls
27:09
Speaker 1: and we had champagne on because I was hoping I
27:11
Speaker 1: was wrong, champagne and tears we had before the tears,
27:15
Speaker 1: we were all it was a long night, and we
27:17
Speaker 1: had a lot of women or not. I think my
27:20
Speaker 1: sister had flown in and maybe my mom. No, not
27:23
Speaker 1: my mom, but anyway, there was a bunch of women
27:24
Speaker 1: and three little girls who had campaigned for her and stuff.
27:27
Speaker 1: So it was a pretty painful night, I mean for everybody,
27:29
Speaker 1: but in our house, particularly painful because then I had
27:31
Speaker 1: to try to explain to them that we just elected
27:34
Speaker 1: a known sexual assaulter and how to make sense of that.
27:38
Speaker 1: You know. It was awful that night, wasn't it. Yeah,
27:40
Speaker 1: it was really bleak. It was done for days after.
27:43
Speaker 1: I think there was a real shock and a lot
27:46
Speaker 1: of crying, and and then I think something happened with you,
27:49
Speaker 1: which was really great. I'm going to take a hit
27:52
Speaker 1: off my babe, pen that's great. But I do think
27:55
Speaker 1: what was great about that time is that you, I mean,
27:57
Speaker 1: instead of just at first we had like a little
28:00
Speaker 1: morning period, and then I think you just saw it
28:01
Speaker 1: as a chance to be part of the solution and
28:04
Speaker 1: not comment on it from the sidelines like your show
28:06
Speaker 1: had been for years. That it's commentary, right, it's like
28:08
Speaker 1: your point of view about things that are happening, and
28:11
Speaker 1: for the first time I thought, I think you sort
28:13
Speaker 1: of were like, well, maybe I can be part of
28:14
Speaker 1: the thing that's actually happening, the solution. And when you
28:17
Speaker 1: started going to colleges I think and talking to young
28:21
Speaker 1: people and yeah that I think that was really meaningful
28:24
Speaker 1: for you. Well college, it was meaningful for me, I
28:28
Speaker 1: think also because I had to figure out a way
28:30
Speaker 1: to talk to conservatives without screaming, which was my only
28:33
Speaker 1: way to communicate for so long. So I had to
28:36
Speaker 1: figure out how to have discourse that was effective instead
28:39
Speaker 1: of just being at a ten and outraged because I
28:41
Speaker 1: realized you're not getting anybody to listen to you in
28:44
Speaker 1: that way. That's why I think it linked nicely with
28:47
Speaker 1: the therapy. You know, the timing was appropriate, yes, because
28:52
Speaker 1: that was my initial thing to go into therapy was
28:55
Speaker 1: how do I learn to not be so you know,
28:58
Speaker 1: not to be so out about my anger and my outrage. Yeah,
29:02
Speaker 1: and I think that part of that was Trump. And
29:04
Speaker 1: also at the time, I remember before therapy, you had
29:07
Speaker 1: expressed to me like, am I just hated am I?
29:10
Speaker 1: You know, like you had had arguments with more than
29:13
Speaker 1: one a few people, right, and you had had sort
29:16
Speaker 1: of like or not arguments, but you were just like,
29:18
Speaker 1: oh I felt that person to do this, or you
29:21
Speaker 1: were really concerned about my image. Yeah. I remember we
29:26
Speaker 1: had that one conversation in my driveway, sitting in a car,
29:28
Speaker 1: and I had said, there is something about the fact
29:31
Speaker 1: that none of the people I knew who you were
29:34
Speaker 1: your friends when we met, that you don't speak to
29:37
Speaker 1: any of them, and that's something to look at, you know.
29:40
Speaker 1: I mean I was still there and others as well,
29:43
Speaker 1: but there was a bunch of people who had who
29:46
Speaker 1: were just gone, Okay, um, how do you think I'll die? Mary?
29:51
Speaker 1: I don't think you'll ever die. Okay, you want to
29:54
Speaker 1: be kept alive. You want to be fine. I don't
29:56
Speaker 1: want to Yeah. So I'm one of those people that
29:57
Speaker 1: So Brandon write this down for both of us, because
29:59
Speaker 1: this is impre information for you to know. She wants
30:01
Speaker 1: to be kept alive no matter what you want. When
30:05
Speaker 1: when they tell you I'm brain dead, I don't want you.
30:08
Speaker 1: She wouldn't want to live like this, Yes, she would.
30:10
Speaker 1: You know when people say that I want to live
30:12
Speaker 1: like that. So let's say after the fact to say
30:14
Speaker 1: that the plug has been pulled. You want your brain cap? Yes,
30:19
Speaker 1: I want everything cap, but don't even pull the plug.
30:21
Speaker 1: She'd rather be a vegetable bed sores for the rest
30:24
Speaker 1: of my like, flip me, sponge me down. I don't
30:26
Speaker 1: care what because, yes, he is moving so fast. Don't
30:31
Speaker 1: unplug me. Never unplug me. Michael can get remarried. You
30:35
Speaker 1: all can get it. You can get a new best friend,
30:36
Speaker 1: you can forget about me, don't visit. I don't care,
30:38
Speaker 1: but don't unplug me. And then she's hoping that stem
30:41
Speaker 1: cell research or whatever will come around in time to
30:44
Speaker 1: resurrect her body. And when that happens, she's ready to rumble.
30:48
Speaker 1: And you're the exact opposite. I want to be put
30:49
Speaker 1: down if I get diagnosed. I'm tired, and I'm I
30:53
Speaker 1: would be totally fine if I died tomorrow, so it
30:56
Speaker 1: would be a joyous, wonderful experience. I would be excited
30:59
Speaker 1: to get onto. I am excited about the sleep. Yeah,
31:02
Speaker 1: in death, that seems What would you like us to
31:04
Speaker 1: do with your body, Brandon? And do you have any
31:06
Speaker 1: specific instructions that stuff me and just put me in
31:08
Speaker 1: a chair at your house? You just want to I
31:10
Speaker 1: just want to be with you. That sounds very very gay. Mary.
31:17
Speaker 1: What's the worst thing that you've seen me do? Mhm,
31:21
Speaker 1: trying to think of the worst thing I've seen you do.
31:23
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that thermost shipping story is pretty much the worst.
31:26
Speaker 1: But I think you think no, I think of it
31:30
Speaker 1: as as yeah, as like god damn it, like I
31:33
Speaker 1: can get out of any Yeah. Maybe I'm associating too
31:36
Speaker 1: much shame with taking a ship in your car, and
31:38
Speaker 1: I think I'm not proud of that part. But I
31:40
Speaker 1: mean I would rather that not happen. It was uncomfortable,
31:42
Speaker 1: but it was like I nailed it. I nailed it.
31:45
Speaker 1: I mean I could have gone to a meeting afterwards.
31:46
Speaker 1: Emisso it went so well. So I don't find that
31:50
Speaker 1: I don't know the worst thing you've ever done. I
31:53
Speaker 1: would say my most humiliating experience. I haven't a humiliating experience.
31:57
Speaker 1: That she was different than worse. But I ask to
31:59
Speaker 1: me about that. We were at that Kevin Huvane's party
32:03
Speaker 1: and I was in a black out, but it was
32:06
Speaker 1: because you were on a crazy diet. Well, I've been
32:09
Speaker 1: in a plenty of blackouts that I don't have a
32:11
Speaker 1: diet to blame. But this one. I was on that
32:13
Speaker 1: because I haven't seen you drunk like that, like I've
32:15
Speaker 1: never You always walk out of parties, like even if
32:17
Speaker 1: you even if you yell at people on the way
32:19
Speaker 1: out and I'm behind you apologizing, you do walk out.
32:23
Speaker 1: This was like I've never seen anything like it. And
32:25
Speaker 1: it was because you were on that hCG diet, so
32:28
Speaker 1: just on a really really localories almost no eating plus
32:31
Speaker 1: a shot. Yeah, I was doing that shot to my
32:33
Speaker 1: thigh like a pregnancy h whatever. Any that combined with
32:38
Speaker 1: it was only firstly there like an hour and you
32:41
Speaker 1: were so you couldn't see straight, you didn't know where
32:44
Speaker 1: you were. You were we carried you out, well, no,
32:46
Speaker 1: I think Jeremy Renner and Chris Evan and Sandy Bullock
32:49
Speaker 1: and I carried you out, came and got you guys,
32:51
Speaker 1: and they're like, Chelsea's outside. I guess I was leading
32:56
Speaker 1: against it. It was really bad. I don't remember. I
32:58
Speaker 1: remember waking up at five o'clock in the in my
33:00
Speaker 1: bunk beds and calling I was like, not even in
33:03
Speaker 1: my big girl room and I call Mary. I'm like
33:06
Speaker 1: what the fuck and be like, oh sweetie, that was bad.
33:09
Speaker 1: It was You're like do you remember any public public
33:13
Speaker 1: like bright lights, and every person in the industry is
33:16
Speaker 1: the Oscar party. I think, yeah, but you know what,
33:19
Speaker 1: there is a feeling about like that. Having it happened
33:22
Speaker 1: there versus like a family affair, would I prefer because
33:25
Speaker 1: everyone in Hollywood, like, not everybody, but there's enough people
33:28
Speaker 1: that make asses out of themselves that there's a new
33:30
Speaker 1: story every week. Like I would be more humiliated if
33:33
Speaker 1: that happened at like, you know, my dad's funeral, because
33:36
Speaker 1: then that would mean I'm like off the rails or
33:38
Speaker 1: something like for some reason the context of it, it's
33:41
Speaker 1: not good. So anyway, let's how long ages up? It's Tuesday? No,
33:46
Speaker 1: I would say three? Was it about three years? Four
33:48
Speaker 1: years ago? It was longer than that, really, Yeah, that
33:51
Speaker 1: was like five years ago. Probably. She once caught me
33:57
Speaker 1: stealing candy at one of her daughter's swim meets. But
34:01
Speaker 1: you're stealing it for this for them? Yeah, I was
34:04
Speaker 1: a sweet that's not bad. No, I don't know, trying
34:09
Speaker 1: to think of like an actual event. You do you
34:14
Speaker 1: do you have a memory that comes to mind when
34:16
Speaker 1: you're asking her, like, you do you have something? We're like, oh,
34:19
Speaker 1: this is the worst thing. I've done. I've done to
34:21
Speaker 1: some party, is what I just thought of? I mean
34:24
Speaker 1: in terms of character, like doing something bad. I don't know,
34:28
Speaker 1: Like my bad is impulse, Like when I think about something,
34:31
Speaker 1: I wouldn't you know what I mean? So like anything
34:33
Speaker 1: I've done has always been like like I don't know
34:36
Speaker 1: when when you think of yourself doing something bad, you
34:38
Speaker 1: think of it in terms of like to yourself, or
34:41
Speaker 1: like something that you've done that didn't that's bad to
34:43
Speaker 1: someone else, like bad behavior, not like mean spirited behavior.
34:47
Speaker 1: Would you have known that before you were your hands
34:49
Speaker 1: brand and keep them where I can see them? Please?
34:51
Speaker 1: Would you have been able to recall that before therapy
34:53
Speaker 1: or only now that you're trying to work on the
34:55
Speaker 1: empathy part? Not just like oh I feel bad for
34:57
Speaker 1: this person, but like really how that person must have felt.
35:00
Speaker 1: Remember how you said that thing to that girl at
35:02
Speaker 1: that party. She had on a pink dress, when you
35:05
Speaker 1: said something like, oh, that's like, um, I like your dress,
35:09
Speaker 1: and I was like, right away, I get nervous because
35:11
Speaker 1: I knew you don't like it, so right away my
35:13
Speaker 1: blood runs cold, like I know the rest is coming.
35:16
Speaker 1: And she was like, oh thanks, And she knew you
35:18
Speaker 1: she knew each other when you were young or whatever,
35:19
Speaker 1: and then she you said something like yeah, it's like
35:22
Speaker 1: summer horror or something, and then just walked away. And
35:25
Speaker 1: I know her, so I was left like, and she went, God,
35:28
Speaker 1: that's so mean, huh. And I was like, she's just
35:31
Speaker 1: trying to be funny. It's just her being funny, you know,
35:34
Speaker 1: she just likes to make a joke and walk away.
35:35
Speaker 1: And she just was like, Oh, that's so mean. That's mean.
35:41
Speaker 1: You don't do that. I mean, yes, you, because I
35:47
Speaker 1: know it is. But like I laughed at people listening
35:49
Speaker 1: to this are going to laugh at that, because I
35:51
Speaker 1: was like, it's like we know that brand of humor
35:54
Speaker 1: associated with her where it's like when we really think
35:56
Speaker 1: about it and know what type of person she is, like,
35:58
Speaker 1: that's not nice. Well to the person, right, meaning if
36:01
Speaker 1: she says it to me this listen, I'm not. I
36:03
Speaker 1: mean I love all that about her too. It's like
36:05
Speaker 1: that's the fun stuff, right, I mean, her point of view,
36:07
Speaker 1: her angry point of view. That's why we sign up
36:10
Speaker 1: for her every day. But I rarely do it too.
36:13
Speaker 1: There's been some you wouldn't do that now, I would
36:16
Speaker 1: not to the person's face not and if I did,
36:18
Speaker 1: it would be somebody who knew me that I was
36:20
Speaker 1: friends with. I wouldn't do it, Like, I don't not
36:22
Speaker 1: any longer expect people to understand my personality that everything's
36:27
Speaker 1: a joke, like I that's not their problem, that's my problem. Okay,
36:32
Speaker 1: But you're both very funny and you kind of have
36:33
Speaker 1: the same sense of humor. Yeah, we have a mean
36:36
Speaker 1: sense of humor. We try not to be. Do you
36:38
Speaker 1: try to keep each other like checked in that though,
36:40
Speaker 1: because Mary, you're you are kind of vocal or like
36:42
Speaker 1: you have looks for each other that you're like, no, Like, yeah,
36:45
Speaker 1: but I mean, I think I have a mean sense
36:48
Speaker 1: of humor, but I'm not mean to people, you know
36:50
Speaker 1: what I mean, because there is a line I think
36:52
Speaker 1: that now I just keep you know, I try and
36:55
Speaker 1: keep more thoughts to myself. Do you both think that's
36:59
Speaker 1: better that people have been more thoughtful that way, because like,
37:03
Speaker 1: I've talked to people and I think it's too They've
37:05
Speaker 1: gone too far one way and now nothing's funny anymore.
37:08
Speaker 1: You can't joke about anything, like I think I was
37:10
Speaker 1: talking to Chelsea about family guys not doing any gay jokes. Anymore,
37:13
Speaker 1: which I think are some of the funniest ones on
37:15
Speaker 1: the show. It's been around for I think like seventeen seasons,
37:18
Speaker 1: and they're just taking them out completely. I don't know,
37:21
Speaker 1: it's a hard think. I think that like it's good
37:23
Speaker 1: for us to challenge ourselves to get humor in different ways.
37:26
Speaker 1: It's interesting to hear you say that though, as a
37:27
Speaker 1: gay man, because I always, whenever I hear white man,
37:30
Speaker 1: the only ones really complaining about things not being funny
37:33
Speaker 1: anymore white guys in my experience, So it's interesting to
37:35
Speaker 1: hear you say that because while you're a white guy,
37:37
Speaker 1: you're a gay white guy, But mostly I only hear
37:40
Speaker 1: straight white guys going like, yes, just nothing's funny anymore.
37:43
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you know, you'll figure it out. We're
37:45
Speaker 1: still laughing, Like we're all still laughing, you know, people
37:48
Speaker 1: of color are still finding things funny. It's so, I
37:51
Speaker 1: don't know, but that's why that's interesting to hear your
37:54
Speaker 1: point of view on that. But I think I think
37:56
Speaker 1: there's still a lot to laugh at without you know,
38:01
Speaker 1: poking fun at someone. Yeah, Like do you think I
38:04
Speaker 1: think it's all and it's all kind of interrelated with
38:07
Speaker 1: you know, I think, for instance, Brennan, I'm curious to
38:10
Speaker 1: see are you. Were you as surprised like the Me
38:12
Speaker 1: Too movement and all of the people that I know,
38:14
Speaker 1: Mary probably wasn't as surprised as I was about how
38:17
Speaker 1: rampant it was, because Mary has been like singing that
38:20
Speaker 1: song for a while. Though it's a man's world and
38:22
Speaker 1: like women are not respected, and I'm always like living
38:25
Speaker 1: in this like Butterfly rarefied existence where just everything was
38:28
Speaker 1: going great for me, So I assumed that not to
38:30
Speaker 1: be the case because I was looking at my own
38:32
Speaker 1: experience rather than other people's. But as a gay man,
38:36
Speaker 1: were you as surprised to hear how rampant this kind
38:40
Speaker 1: of abuse of power and sexual abuse was not at all?
38:43
Speaker 1: Not at all, no, I But to me, like I'm
38:47
Speaker 1: from the world west, you see it from the outside,
38:48
Speaker 1: it's all very sparkly and exciting, and I think a
38:51
Speaker 1: lot of those stories are these people coming here again
38:54
Speaker 1: with that kind of allure of like, oh my god,
38:56
Speaker 1: this is what the opportunities are going to be if
38:58
Speaker 1: I do this thing. But I still think that there's
39:00
Speaker 1: a sense for anyone, and I'm sure people will not
39:02
Speaker 1: like this, but like if you're going to a hotel
39:04
Speaker 1: room or a meeting, like, but we're thoughtful about this
39:07
Speaker 1: with you, like you don't take meetings in your hotel room,
39:09
Speaker 1: whereas I always thought like you would know right or wrong,
39:12
Speaker 1: like you would know like don't take this meeting in
39:13
Speaker 1: the hotel. But some people, really, I think, just come
39:16
Speaker 1: into it thinking like this person is looking out for me,
39:18
Speaker 1: they have my best interests at heart, like why should
39:21
Speaker 1: this be weird? I'm not going to make it weird,
39:23
Speaker 1: And now you have all these women. So I think
39:24
Speaker 1: that's what was more surprising, was that the context that
39:27
Speaker 1: we're finding out these things happened, or that like I
39:30
Speaker 1: really did not expect this, And I think other people
39:32
Speaker 1: have said, like you kind of know what you're going
39:34
Speaker 1: to get if you do those things. But I think
39:37
Speaker 1: I knew that there were things going on, but maybe
39:39
Speaker 1: not in the way they were happening. Did you ever
39:41
Speaker 1: get sexually assaulted by somebody at work, Mary, or did
39:45
Speaker 1: you feel sexually uncomfortable? Yes? And I've also yes, I've
39:49
Speaker 1: been two really yeah, for sure, I had a guy yes. Yeah,
39:54
Speaker 1: And you would also argue that I have to and
39:56
Speaker 1: just don't recall it, right, yeah, or laughed it off
39:59
Speaker 1: or you know whatever, drop. But I haven't this an
40:01
Speaker 1: interesting relationship to this too, because on the one hand,
40:04
Speaker 1: I feel like most women my age spent decades, you know,
40:08
Speaker 1: trying to keep their job and not funk the guy, right,
40:10
Speaker 1: Like that's how we are laugh at enough jokes that
40:12
Speaker 1: he feels flattered, but not just that one that you
40:15
Speaker 1: don't laugh at too many because then he's gonna want
40:17
Speaker 1: to see a naked right. So it's that fine line
40:19
Speaker 1: we I mean women my age spent and I think
40:22
Speaker 1: young women are not suffering from that now, which is fantastic.
40:24
Speaker 1: I have three daughters, so I want all this change.
40:26
Speaker 1: I do have a little bit of like an irrational
40:29
Speaker 1: part of my brain sometimes that goes like complaining about that, like,
40:33
Speaker 1: which is so messed up because I want all the
40:35
Speaker 1: complaining is good and all this changes, oh my god,
40:38
Speaker 1: long overdue and for the best. But I do have
40:42
Speaker 1: this weird It's like it's like people who've been through it,
40:46
Speaker 1: women my age must be like, fuck me, are all
40:49
Speaker 1: we did that? Like we managed. I found a way
40:51
Speaker 1: out of that room or that situation or that, But
40:54
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have to find a way out of that
40:56
Speaker 1: hotel room. I shouldn't have to find a way to
40:58
Speaker 1: try to keep my job and not funk that guy,
41:01
Speaker 1: or you know, I shouldn't have to not get the
41:04
Speaker 1: job because I didn't funk that guy. Right, So, and
41:06
Speaker 1: I hope for and I think through all of this,
41:08
Speaker 1: and even though there's painful moments and sometimes we're gonna
41:10
Speaker 1: overcorrect and go too far, and you know, it feels
41:13
Speaker 1: like we're losing the ability to make jokes or whatever.
41:16
Speaker 1: I think through all of this, I'll have three daughters
41:19
Speaker 1: who don't who can actually have a meeting in a
41:20
Speaker 1: hotel room. They should be able to have a meeting
41:22
Speaker 1: in a hotel room, I would argue, and worried and
41:26
Speaker 1: not fucking worried. Men should be able to have a
41:28
Speaker 1: hotel hotel room meeting as well, and not assault and
41:32
Speaker 1: not just take everything all the time. Yeah, it sounds
41:35
Speaker 1: like there's gonna be a whole new generation of men
41:36
Speaker 1: who really are fucking walking on eggshells. Yeah, well, for
41:39
Speaker 1: right now, they're really piste off. I mean, I think
41:41
Speaker 1: men are really confused. I hear it all the time.
41:43
Speaker 1: White men arega, oh god, he can't say anything anymore, Yes,
41:46
Speaker 1: she can. There's a lot you can say, you just can't.
41:49
Speaker 1: It's it feels like the end of a party for them,
41:51
Speaker 1: because it is the end of a party for them.
41:53
Speaker 1: That's why it feels sad. They're sad. They're gonna mourn this,
41:56
Speaker 1: this this world they lived in because it was a
41:59
Speaker 1: world where they got to eat whatever they want, take
42:01
Speaker 1: whatever they want, funk whatever they want. They wear sandals,
42:05
Speaker 1: I mean, they show their feet, and they sit on
42:07
Speaker 1: subway cars with their legs spread open. Take up three seats,
42:10
Speaker 1: two fat. Fuck. That party's done. Women have had it.
42:15
Speaker 1: It's over. And so yeah, I understand why they're pissed. Well,
42:20
Speaker 1: it's like you're saying your you can either get on
42:21
Speaker 1: board or you're gonna miss the train, like right, And
42:23
Speaker 1: so they're gonna be angry, and it doesn't matter. Young
42:25
Speaker 1: women don't care. I did this movie recently with a
42:27
Speaker 1: bunch of young women and I was the only woman
42:29
Speaker 1: my age and we were driving in a van from
42:32
Speaker 1: base camp to set and the Transpo guy, the guy
42:35
Speaker 1: driving the van, we were in stop and go traffic
42:37
Speaker 1: with the transpo driver and I've never seen this. They're
42:40
Speaker 1: usually really really professional, but he was showing pictures on
42:42
Speaker 1: his phone to the guy in the passenger seat, and
42:44
Speaker 1: I was in the back row of the van like
42:46
Speaker 1: looking at it, like, oh god, oh my god, why
42:49
Speaker 1: is he doing that? And this young actress in front
42:51
Speaker 1: of me just like was in the middle of a
42:53
Speaker 1: conversation with another young actress, and she literally just went
42:55
Speaker 1: like this, hey, pal, get off your phone. What are
42:57
Speaker 1: you doing? And then she just went back to talking
42:59
Speaker 1: to her friend. And I was like, instantly through my body,
43:01
Speaker 1: I felt relief that she'd said it and shame that
43:05
Speaker 1: she'd said it. Like I was like wanting to apologize
43:07
Speaker 1: to that guy because I felt that he'd be embarrassed
43:10
Speaker 1: because it was a you know, a big van full
43:11
Speaker 1: of people. And I thought, this is so interesting. She
43:14
Speaker 1: felt Not only did she not feel embarrassed, she felt
43:16
Speaker 1: completely happy speaking up for her safety and then went
43:19
Speaker 1: right back into her conversation. She didn't like, had I
43:21
Speaker 1: done the exact same thing, had I found the courage
43:23
Speaker 1: to do it, which is so stupid, I would have
43:25
Speaker 1: said this, hym, I'm so sorry. I was in an
43:28
Speaker 1: accident a few years ago, and so I'm a little
43:30
Speaker 1: bit crazy about like traffic and safety. If it's not
43:34
Speaker 1: too much trouble do you mind putting away your phone?
43:36
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, but that's how I would have done this.
43:38
Speaker 1: Is that what we're trying to get away from, like
43:39
Speaker 1: a woman feeling needed to write, That's what I'm saying. No,
43:42
Speaker 1: that's exactly my point. My point is hats off to
43:43
Speaker 1: that girl in front of me. That's that's generational. And
43:46
Speaker 1: so I hope my daughter never hope my daughters never
43:49
Speaker 1: feel that way about speaking up for their own safety
43:52
Speaker 1: or and I hope they live in a world where
43:54
Speaker 1: they don't have to laugh at bad jokes just to
43:56
Speaker 1: make some guy feel, you know, yeah, like you want
43:59
Speaker 1: to fuck a fully you didn't have a boyfriend. How
44:02
Speaker 1: many times I've said that that party is over? It
44:05
Speaker 1: is amazing what men think that they can do and
44:07
Speaker 1: get away with with because they have because they have
44:09
Speaker 1: kind because we have a guy in the White House
44:11
Speaker 1: who brags about sexual assault and is the leader of
44:14
Speaker 1: the free world, So why shouldn't they think that. I
44:16
Speaker 1: think like as a man is the type of men
44:17
Speaker 1: who come out in supportive women like or take responsibility
44:21
Speaker 1: for like, oh yeah, I've definitely done like gross dude
44:23
Speaker 1: things like I think maybe Ben Affleck was one when
44:26
Speaker 1: he slapped that woman's ass at a party and came out.
44:28
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm so sorry for like the way I behaved,
44:30
Speaker 1: but like I'm I'm growing, like I'm working on it
44:32
Speaker 1: as a person, and I think we're we criticize them
44:36
Speaker 1: still because it's like you should know better, But these
44:38
Speaker 1: men who have really come out and I don't mind
44:40
Speaker 1: process and that they're like, you know what, I made mistakes,
44:43
Speaker 1: Like I'm really not. We can't change overnight. I think
44:46
Speaker 1: that's great. I mean, I have a friend who man
44:47
Speaker 1: explained me so hardcore recently, Like I said something about
44:51
Speaker 1: I don't want the politician or something, and then he
44:54
Speaker 1: literally said it back to me. I didn't even really
44:56
Speaker 1: Sometimes man splainders will change a word or two to
44:58
Speaker 1: make it sound like it's their idea, but he obviously
45:00
Speaker 1: just liked the idea and then repeated it back word
45:02
Speaker 1: for word, and I was like, I just I have
45:04
Speaker 1: to say something. I was like, I can't. You can't
45:06
Speaker 1: just repeat back the thing I just said to you
45:09
Speaker 1: without even dressing it up as like your idea, Like
45:12
Speaker 1: you just completely man splain me in the most aggressive way.
45:15
Speaker 1: I can't, and I have to tell you as a
45:17
Speaker 1: friend that that's what you did and isn't and he went,
45:20
Speaker 1: I don't man, explain like and I went, and then
45:23
Speaker 1: he went, I didn't mean to. And I thought, all right,
45:26
Speaker 1: that we can work with I mean, listen, I didn't
45:29
Speaker 1: even know that term before. I just knew. I lived
45:30
Speaker 1: in a world where men always taught me things I
45:33
Speaker 1: already knew. But now we know that word and we
45:35
Speaker 1: can identify it, and that's it's going to be uncomfortable
45:38
Speaker 1: for a little while right that. I think that's a
45:40
Speaker 1: growth moment and that made me love that guy. Well.
45:43
Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot of you have that,
45:45
Speaker 1: especially in entertainment. From what I've seen, is that people
45:47
Speaker 1: don't know what they're doing. Can seem condescending or rude
45:51
Speaker 1: because I think some people are just trying to be
45:53
Speaker 1: friendly or give you the information what this guy was
45:55
Speaker 1: doing with or it's a habit that that's been created
45:57
Speaker 1: over time and over time, and they don't know the difference.
46:00
Speaker 1: It's because it's like a fish and water. They don't
46:02
Speaker 1: know that they're doing it. But like this guy taking
46:04
Speaker 1: a couple of seconds to reflect on what you've done,
46:06
Speaker 1: being like, oh, yeah, I didn't mean to. Yeah, it's
46:09
Speaker 1: a nice it's like a little yeah. I mean I
46:12
Speaker 1: knew him much, so I felt comfortable saying it. But
46:14
Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to worry. Yeah, but I
46:16
Speaker 1: think it's so good that you said it. Yeah, it's
46:18
Speaker 1: big for me because I'll tell you that van story.
46:21
Speaker 1: When I got off the van, that young woman just
46:23
Speaker 1: went into set and did her lines and was thinking
46:25
Speaker 1: about her work. And I got off the van and
46:26
Speaker 1: did ten minutes with the driver, like, Hey, not a
46:28
Speaker 1: big deal. I think you know some people anyway, I
46:31
Speaker 1: mean literally undermined everything she did. I hated myself for
46:35
Speaker 1: I'm telling that may be my most embarrassing. I'm proud
46:37
Speaker 1: of the therm pooping in the thermis. This I'm not
46:39
Speaker 1: proud of. Would you do that if it were a
46:40
Speaker 1: woman driver? Oh yeah, yeah. So maybe it's not as
46:43
Speaker 1: sex related. You're just worried about people's feelings. Yes, but
46:46
Speaker 1: it's gender. It's it's generational that the issue is not
46:49
Speaker 1: about him. Although maybe I was more sensitive because he
46:52
Speaker 1: was a man. I think I was meaning, yeah, I
46:55
Speaker 1: watched a man be dressed down by a young woman,
46:57
Speaker 1: and for me, as a fifty year old woman, and
47:01
Speaker 1: how I was raised in the world I was raised,
47:02
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh God, he's gonna feel super emasculated.
47:05
Speaker 1: That's not safe. I don't like when men feel emasculated.
47:08
Speaker 1: Let me make this better instead of just how about
47:12
Speaker 1: he doesn't get on his phone. Yeah, when he's driving
47:14
Speaker 1: a group of right, I know that to be true.
47:17
Speaker 1: It's interesting she did that, like and reflect on it
47:21
Speaker 1: so quickly after the the I think about that. Van
47:24
Speaker 1: read a lot because I also have three daughters, so
47:26
Speaker 1: I think, like I want them to live in a world.
47:29
Speaker 1: I bumped into furniture and apologize. I mean, women have
47:31
Speaker 1: a lot of we have a hard time taking up
47:35
Speaker 1: space and and and and and demanding what's ours. But
47:39
Speaker 1: I hope I see younger women not having as much
47:42
Speaker 1: trouble with that, and it's a real positive change. Okay, well,
47:46
Speaker 1: this sounds like a good time to take a break. Okay, Brandon,
47:51
Speaker 1: I see you whipped up some questions here, so we'll
47:53
Speaker 1: try and just entertain you with them. You wrote these, No,
47:56
Speaker 1: I don't know where these came from, but probably the
47:58
Speaker 1: cleaning lady. Probably. Um, what do you think that my
48:01
Speaker 1: cause of death will be? This is for both of
48:04
Speaker 1: you old age? Yeah, I agreed. If I didn't have assistance, managers,
48:09
Speaker 1: cleaning ladies, or any staff at all, how long do
48:11
Speaker 1: you think I would survive? Not long? Not long. You
48:15
Speaker 1: can't do a podcast for that assistant, I mean, for
48:19
Speaker 1: fox sake. What is that stupid book you gave me recently? Essentialism? Yeah?
48:24
Speaker 1: Fuck you? I was like, literally here this do you
48:27
Speaker 1: know what essentialism is? That? Just in the book like
48:29
Speaker 1: do less? I'd love to do less, you fucking asshole.
48:33
Speaker 1: I need you give me my bell, Brandon Tanner, who's
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Speaker 1: your house? Who's your house? Guy? Now you give me
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Speaker 1: those guys, and then I'll read essentialism. Willie so suck
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Speaker 1: on that essentialism. Essentialism is good. Yes, I would love
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Speaker 1: to do that. I would love to do that. You
48:50
Speaker 1: can do less, but just know your audience do that.
48:53
Speaker 1: Just know that you do too much. You don't have
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Speaker 1: to do everything you do, you don't have to pay.
48:58
Speaker 1: But for you to say that you're great, I'm I
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Speaker 1: have three lives who depend on me to do everything
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Speaker 1: I do. I have fifteen people who depend on me too.
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Speaker 1: They're not my children, but they depend on me. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's move on, Yeah, let's I mean, no one takes
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Speaker 1: me seriously as a Bernie's are you listening to this?
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Speaker 1: She doesn't even know I'm her mother. Okay, what is
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Speaker 1: something you've seen me do that you would categorize as
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Speaker 1: not normal? M hmm, Brandon, I mean I appreciate this
49:26
Speaker 1: about you, but like diagnosing other people and I'm giving
49:29
Speaker 1: them belves yeah, no, antibiotics. Yeah, but you will give anyone.
49:35
Speaker 1: Be careful everybody in here, because you will be on
49:37
Speaker 1: his EPAC before the day is out. But I also
49:39
Speaker 1: give you medication that you need. You know, when you
49:41
Speaker 1: go on a trip and you need xanax, I supply
49:43
Speaker 1: that or Sonata or whatever else. You know. I'm always
49:47
Speaker 1: I love pharmacy. Yeah, I know what people need. What
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Speaker 1: kind of guy would you want me to settle down with.
49:55
Speaker 1: I mean, Brandon thinks it's me basically, who reads a lot,
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Speaker 1: someone who skis really well, someone who I think most
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Speaker 1: of all has to be really inquisitive. Like I think
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Speaker 1: your ideal partner would be sometimes a partner, but your
50:09
Speaker 1: ideal person would be someone that you could like travel
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Speaker 1: all over the world and just get into trouble, like
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Speaker 1: go on adventures with someone really inquisitive. I think that's right, Brandon,
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Speaker 1: wouldn't you second that emotion? Non industry they have like
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Speaker 1: a job, separative entertainment. Yeah, skier. Skier probably does not
50:27
Speaker 1: live in the same city as you. Yeah, that's that
50:30
Speaker 1: not I hope that's not. Well, he can visit l A.
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Speaker 1: He just I think ultimately you're going to be right. Okay,
50:37
Speaker 1: that's that makes sense. It would be hopefully someone who
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Speaker 1: gets like who really just loves you for you. You
50:43
Speaker 1: know that you don't have to change for I think
50:46
Speaker 1: that's the key. I don't think so. I don't think
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Speaker 1: I can change. I just already changed so much I
50:50
Speaker 1: have to go back to the other person. Have any
50:52
Speaker 1: more versions of me that can there be? This is it?
50:54
Speaker 1: I want to settle into this one because she's nicer
50:56
Speaker 1: and I do less apologizing. So the reason why I
50:59
Speaker 1: wanted to do this, Mary, thank you for accommodating my wishes.
51:02
Speaker 1: Happy to be here. This book is as funny as
51:05
Speaker 1: all your other books, and then has all this other
51:07
Speaker 1: breaks your heart as well. I mean it's really I mean,
51:09
Speaker 1: I've talked to so many people who are like in
51:12
Speaker 1: tears reading it and then feel sort of healed after,
51:16
Speaker 1: you know, I know, it's amazing that people would have
51:18
Speaker 1: to think, because I think a lot of people have
51:20
Speaker 1: similar experiences. You know, we sort of think we bury
51:23
Speaker 1: something really sad, or we bury our weakness and our
51:26
Speaker 1: sadness and our vulnerability and we turn it into anger, right,
51:29
Speaker 1: And that's and I think everyone can relate to that.
51:31
Speaker 1: So there's something really cathartic for people when they read it.
51:34
Speaker 1: But it is also really really funny. So I think
51:37
Speaker 1: it's that you're calling it to sit down. Tour is
51:39
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things. And also luckily I read
51:41
Speaker 1: that book that um you so aptly described Essentialism, which
51:45
Speaker 1: explained to me to Do Less Better, which is a
51:48
Speaker 1: book about saying no to more things and doing fewer things.
51:52
Speaker 1: And my lesson in this book and writing this book
51:54
Speaker 1: was that this is the one thing I mean, I know,
51:56
Speaker 1: I did a documentary. I was like campaigning Brandon, whatever
51:58
Speaker 1: you were talking about. I'm sorry if you're we're boring
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Speaker 1: you right now, Um, he's on tender. Is that this
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Speaker 1: is the first time I'm able to focus on a
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Speaker 1: book tour, to go on a tour and to be present.
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Speaker 1: That's my new thing is to be present with every
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Speaker 1: engagement with every person all day long and not be
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Speaker 1: distracted by bullshit or you know. And and so I'm
52:17
Speaker 1: going to do that tour in that vein and like
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Speaker 1: really try and enjoy every moment instead of being angry
52:23
Speaker 1: at my success. H. There you go. Anyway, this has
52:27
Speaker 1: been an emotional morning you guys. I want to thank
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Speaker 1: you all for being here, the two of you. Now
52:33
Speaker 1: the world knows my secret, and you're gonna be interviewing
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Speaker 1: me in Phoenix, Arizona. Yes, which is May thirty one.
52:38
Speaker 1: Mary will be interviewing meith in Phoenix. And you can
52:41
Speaker 1: get tickets to that at Chelsea Handler dot com or
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Speaker 1: Live Nation dot com. That's going to happen. And then
52:46
Speaker 1: we'll continue. And then Mary, you'll just have to pop in.
52:48
Speaker 1: Whenever we need to do a podcast, I'll just poop
52:51
Speaker 1: in some more thermisis so I've more to talk. Yes,
52:53
Speaker 1: please bring your thermis next time. Thank you. Life will
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