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The Enneagram Seven and Reframing | A Seven's Wholehearted Journey with Amy Wicks · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

• 0:09
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast, the Enneagram for Real Life.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_00: Here is where you'll find conversations where faith meets story and strategy for lasting transformation.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Amy Wicks, here to help you find wisdom and wholehearted rhythms for moments that matter most.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_00: Whether you're learning your type or deepening your spiritual formation, these conversations will remind you that the Enneagram shines a light, but Christ is the transformation.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_00: Just before I hit record, I confessed to Deanna that I was afraid that I might cry a little bit and sharing.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: And do you know what she said?
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_00: She said, Oh good, I hope so.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's where we find ourselves, friend, as you are listening to technically part two of our Enneagram 7 conversation.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: Last week, Deanna and I gave a high view of the Enneagram 7, core desires, fear, longing, some spiritual direction insight.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: But today, today I am going to be led in conversation by my friend and spiritual companion, Deanna.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you take the mic, my friend, and ask away, and I will answer as honestly as possible, with or without tears.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll see.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, if you're part of this community, you have a good idea who our lovely host, Amy Wicks, is.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm honored to be in the seat and introduce her.
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  SPEAKER_01: This Wonder Woman is my boss.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's my comrade.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's my guide, and she's my friend.
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  SPEAKER_01: She loves Jesus deeply and she's married and has three children, one who's left the nest, and one's about to take flight.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's one of the most multi-passionate and creative women I know with a shepherd's heart and a longing for others to live wholeheartedly, which brings us here to the whole-hearted Enneagram.
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  SPEAKER_01: She lives with what she teaches and preaches authentically and transparently.
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  SPEAKER_01: She is the real deal, I'm telling you, people.
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  SPEAKER_01: With that in mind, Amy, I'm curious, when did you first recognize that the seven was actually you and not just a type that you were teaching about, but the one that you lived?
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_00: It did take me a while, Deanna.
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  SPEAKER_00: I sometimes laugh about it, and sometimes I'm tempted to feel a little embarrassed about it because I had taught it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I had coached on it even.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'd been certified before the revelation came to me.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_00: The story goes: the first time I read through it, my sister and I paid for a test.
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  SPEAKER_00: I came out as a two, and so did she.
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  SPEAKER_00: Actually, take that back.
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  SPEAKER_00: She came out as a seven, but as she read through it, she's like, no, I'm a two.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's no way you can be a two as well.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_00: And so as we talked through it, read through some of the books, she had glanded on the fact that I was a three.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: She was sure of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And part of that was the forward thinking that I did, the big vision, the hope and the enthusiasm that she saw in me that felt different than some of her two, helping and being wanted and needed.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_00: Some of the core themes felt a little bit true, but it didn't tell the whole story.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_00: And it took a really stressful season, to be honest, is when we got a puppy.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: Because those of you who have ever had a puppy before, if you know, if you've had a puppy, you know what I'm talking about here.
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  SPEAKER_00: But suddenly I was thrust into very similar type of experiences when you have a newborn.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: You're not sleeping through the night.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're sleeping on the floor next to them, hoping they're sleeping.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're responsible to clean all the poop and the pee.
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  SPEAKER_00: And suddenly, my very like comfortable, a little bit easygoing, because I can't remember what my youngest one was, but he was like clear past the stage.
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  SPEAKER_00: But suddenly I was thrust back into I am so limited.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I was so frustrated.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I was feeling like I'm the only responsible one here.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you're taking all my phone away, and this was supposed to be an amazing gift for you.
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  SPEAKER_00: And yes, so I won't tell you the whole inner goings-on in my head, but there was something about that experience, and I remember exactly where I was walking the dog when all of a sudden something clicked where I just had this epiphany Amy, you are a seven.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_00: And it was part of tracing the stress line, but it was I found myself saying something aloud that I'm like, that is not a two or a three.
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  SPEAKER_00: That is a seven.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I parked it, admittedly, didn't tell anyone about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think I spent a little bit of time finally looking at it because I didn't know what to do with it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, what do I do?
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  SPEAKER_00: I've been teaching this.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've I've told people that I'm these other types.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, part of the struggle here, I'll I'll tell a little bit more.
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  SPEAKER_00: But that was kind of the aha, was that stress line.
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  SPEAKER_00: And as I dove into, especially the subtypes of the seven, it really started to click for me where I felt that, oh, this is my diary.
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  SPEAKER_00: These are the words that I've written.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is true of me.
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  SPEAKER_00: No one else could know this or be able to decipher my inner world quite as much as the things that I was really diving into deeply for the seven.
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  unknown: Okay.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: Well, who knew hope the dog would bring such revelation?
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: A little stinker.
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  SPEAKER_00: She's there's a lot there with her.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's great.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when you finally landed on the seven and knowing what you did know about it, and I'm sure even thinking you you were like, oh my gosh, I didn't even know what I was, kind of thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think that brings a lot of shame to people when this is such a process.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_01: I just want to encourage people as they're listening that this is such a process.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've coached somebody who thought they were one type for the whole entire time we were together, and then the very last time she's like, Oh no, I'm not this, I'm that.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I, you know, we saw that too.
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  SPEAKER_01: There was, I mean, they were both one wing or the other, but it's still tricky.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when you finally landed on the seven, what was the first thing you wanted to avoid about it?
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: Well, two things.
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  SPEAKER_00: One, I had a family member that is a dominant seven that I was like, I am not them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that felt so it felt rude.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it just thought, no, I've tried so hard to be different.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is telling me there's a lot of similarities.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's not a new thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: I knew there were similarities.
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  SPEAKER_00: That wasn't a shock.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was the it's in writing that there's similarities and the element that there's sometimes a flakiness with the seven.
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  SPEAKER_00: I do.
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  SPEAKER_00: That felt really uncomfortable.
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  SPEAKER_00: And yet when I looked at different themes and threads of my story, that did play out sometimes, sometimes unwittingly, and sometimes it couldn't be helped.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: But I didn't like that trait.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I had felt like there was a lot about my life that I tried to do differently because of what I saw.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, I was like, that is there, and it's true, uh, even though I have tried to work around it.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_01: So you've taught about reframing.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_01: Is that something that popped up in this right away, the pivot from pain to possibility?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or where has that shown up in your life that it's cost you something?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, reframing can be a superpower, but it's also can be a hurtful weapon um depending on the situation.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I also went through a season where my reframer felt broken, where I couldn't anymore.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so there's a couple things here.
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  SPEAKER_00: I do want to just give for a moment, like the reframing, it can be a superpower.
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  SPEAKER_00: It can be coming in with hope and possibility, and you can help people who maybe look at the glass half empty.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can show them what could be a half glass full, what that looks like as well.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, or even from the ideation and the imagination and the invention element.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the the reframing has been to spiritually bypass at times, a spiritually bypass in other people's life or my own life, to where I would get frustrated and just say they must not have faith enough.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_00: Or why don't why can't they they get this and just be positive and think positive, or even like, how dare they lose hope?
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_00: And um I may I even say my Enneagram four friends or the people who probably were fours in my life and I didn't have language for it, where I would get frustrated and I'd want to push them out of the hard feelings or the grief.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_00: But certainly in my own life, uh, there were a lot of moments before I became aware of this pattern and the downside of it, where, you know, the body keeps the spore.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_00: And your heart and your head still keep things, even if you try to bypass it, even if you try to reframe it.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, God works everything for good for those who love the Lord, but not at the expense of our own healing and caring for the pain, validating the pain, witnessing the pain, working through that.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: And so there has been a lot in my 40s that I've tended to, even though I thought I tended to it, I thought I cared for it, and I did the best I could with what I had.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: But I have had to go a little bit deeper in those moments with the knowledge that, well, one, maybe I couldn't handle it, but two, I definitely employed my reframing nature in some of those painful places that needed more care.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's what I'm trying to do now with that in mind.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's really good.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's a great testimony to your growth there in being able to do it and not just pass through to Resurrection Sunday, right?
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: So, what's the difference for you as we were talking about joy in your body, even in your spirit, between joy, genuine joy, and the joy that's running from something?
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is where I can kind of feel tearful.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: Oof, okay.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: Not too long ago, not too many years ago, joy was my word for the year.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, well, what does that mean?
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, well, joy is easy for some.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what joy, that's what we're known for, and in an element.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the Lord used that year, the circumstances of a year, to really form joy deep inside of me and help me realize that it wasn't something external.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: It was truly something internal that couldn't be manufactured, that was way more grounded and deeply rooted than I had known before.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, I will give this disclaimer that there's probably in 20 years I'll have to go through another round, I imagine, such as life, or maybe sooner.
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  SPEAKER_00: But what I I am so grateful because there was an element where I went into that having lost some joy and it feeling way more darker than I liked or cared to admit.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I wanted joy to be adept at a everything is better.
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  SPEAKER_00: And instead of that, joy was no, the circumstances are the same, but the hardship is still there.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I'm doing something deep inside of you that surpasses what you can see.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it's a deep experience that again, I just go through like instead of that hum of that of anxiety that comes from the pain of things not going the way you want to, there's a subtleness, there's an acceptance, not acquiescence, but acceptance, but but the rootedness of going, no, God's got me.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: And he's giving me all that I need, and he is giving me joy.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't have to manufacture, I don't have to reframe, I don't have it to out positive or outrun it.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is the way it is, and I am still okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's saying something because one, it didn't come easily, but two, it's not my natural things, and but that has been such a powerful, powerful element in my walk.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: Beautiful, rich fruit come out of the heart often, and I've seen it happen in you.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you have been doing this work for a while now, and not only coaching, but doing the work in your own self.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's one of the greatest gifts for a good coach is that we do the work ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, what has it actually felt like for you to slow down?
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  SPEAKER_01: Not even the fruit of it, but the experience of it.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, painful.
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  SPEAKER_00: Slowing down is painful, but it's also been rewarding.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's an important word to use because as a mom, I do love to reward my kids.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if I think about the character of God and his fatherhood and my fathership in my life and being a good father, there I do think the Lord rewards, maybe not monetarily or physically, but in a sense of that was worth it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he's met me in that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And even I alluded to in the last conversation that we had in general of this invitation to slow down, to delay, to wait a little bit longer and to really go slow into something.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: And it was hard.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was really hard to say yes to that.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's required me to pray, Lord, help me do what I don't want to do.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think sometimes we don't give ourselves the grace of we can pray for help for the things that we don't want to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like even though the Lord is asking you to or you know it's the right thing, it's okay that you don't want to and you pray that the Lord would help you want to.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's okay that you feel like you can't do it.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: God's like, yeah, you can't.
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  SPEAKER_00: You need my help.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: You need Holy Spirit, you you need my strength.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_00: You're weak in this area.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: And that folds into a lot of different things, but um going slower in my grief, taking time to go backwards.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: I've said yes to EMDR work last year and talk about going slow.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: I think I even like very boldly said last time, I think this is gonna be my last EMDR session.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: I think I've got it.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: I think I've like, I think I've dealt with the past enough.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm sure you were probably chuckling to yourself, to be honest, of like, yeah, well, we'll see about that.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, my my counselor, who's so kind, said, Yeah, we we went to really hard, deep things today.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, you're probably not done, but it's okay, you can take a little break and living in that that both and tension.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: And also realizing that I'm okay on the other side.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, it was hard.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't fun to go past, it wasn't fun to go into the hard places that create resurrect some grief or invite me to lament over those losses and those hard parts of my story, but it wasn't catastrophic.
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  SPEAKER_00: I didn't stay there, I'm not stuck.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: Joy wasn't lost, and life continues to go on, and actually, I think probably a little bit better because I was willing to slow down and deal with those things.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's really good.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: You just answer my next question I was gonna ask you about like letting yourself grieve.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that is a great testament to to say on the other side.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like you walk through it, you live through it, you grew because of it.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's really beautiful.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: I love that you were able to go through that and not pivot from it and still press in, and even when it is heavier than you expected it to be, right?
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: I I think it's worth just saying this aspect again, um, because I know as wholehearted coaches talk about it behind the scenes, and I've shared before about the Allender Center has created a tool called the U diagram.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I've taught it before at different uh segments, and we utilize some of it in our coaching behind the scenes just as a conversation.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the idea of it is to take time as long as needed, as the Lord invites you to to sit at the bottom of the you.
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  SPEAKER_00: And what that you represents is the dark Saturday.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: And when we're looking at the gospel story, Jesus died on Friday, he rose again on Sunday, but the Saturday, that dark Saturday, there was absence.
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  SPEAKER_00: There was no light, there was no hope.
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  SPEAKER_00: The story wasn't finished.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that is the last place an Enneagram 7 wants to find themselves.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think that is it.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's the invitation is to go to those places.
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  SPEAKER_00: And what I can testify to is that when you are, whether voluntary or involuntary in those places, it doesn't last forever.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: But there's a lot of beauty that can happen from being willing to stay there as long as you need to, and then also go back there when needed to heal some other parts and care for other parts of your story.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's good.
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  SPEAKER_01: In this sense, in in what you were thinking of in that hard part of what you've grieved, when did you fully grieve it?
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: Do you feel for how you were capable of doing it then?
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think that's a great question because I what's fair is that there might be more grief that happens, or maybe the Lord would give me the capacity to explore.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: And being cognizant of my personality type, my tendencies, fears, these tools, these things I teach, I do make an effort at some level or make a practice to take time to do that.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think even that's what the EMDR work is doing is allowing a little bit more time to explore that.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: And that's where I kind of give that in living in that tension of going, I'd like to say that I've grieved it all and that I've lamented everything that I need to.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: But the reality is one, there's always opportunity, unfortunately, in this side of heaven, there's going to be more times for lament and grief.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: But there's also maybe more parts of the story that the Lord in his kindness is not pushing on right now or or in inviting me to explore, but maybe down the road as well.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: Does that answer your question?
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's great.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: I think I just wanted to talk about the process a bit of it, how it, you know, like you said, this side of heaven, we're gonna be working, right?
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: We're not gonna be perfect until we get to heaven.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I think that that no, that was a good way to show that.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: So let's go into where God has met you and how you've learned to be still.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: So, where has God surprised you in the stillness?
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  SPEAKER_01: And what have you found when you stop long enough to receive it instead of plan something?
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I will go back several years ago now.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks, maybe that.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it's um, it was just a season of deep loss and grief.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: And there's just this beautiful season that the Lord allowed me to almost like two to three hours of sitting in stillness with him.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: And it ebbed and flowed.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: I would still had kids at home at the time and there was still responsibility.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: But a lot of times I would wake up early and pretty early and just go sit.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes with my Bible open, sometimes just with it on my lap or nearby and my journal there.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: And and a lot of it, like the pen wasn't even moving.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: There wasn't anything.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: But the Lord did something really amazing and met me in that silence, that stillness, that solitude that was not of my own effort.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: I I just I didn't do anything.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: I just sat there and I allowed the Lord to minister to me.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes that meant kind of dozing off, wrapped in my cozy blanket with a cup of coffee right there.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: But there was just, it was almost a being held.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: And a seven longs for security and safety, differently than a five and a six.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: But there is that deep longing to know it related to satisfaction that we'll be secured in that.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: And so it wasn't warm and fuzzy all the time, trust me.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't it, but it was just a I'm gonna show up.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: And every single time the Lord met me with something, whether it was Enough grace and strength to get through the day, whether it was a sense of calming the tears and the fears, or a word or a passage of scripture that was exactly what I needed, or a word from a friend, or encouragement, or just enough hope.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like it would be a poke of sunlight.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't like the sun was not rising in that season, but there would be a little beam of sunlight poking through, just enough to get me.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: And um, yeah, so it was not like a real hard because I'm uh otherwise it was like, yeah, let's keep going.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: Why are we sitting around waiting for something?
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, or we're gonna dive deep into a Bible study, or we're gonna like, I don't know.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like I was gonna my Emma would be to make it fun, make it interesting, make it exciting, and keep going.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: And instead, I think because the grace of God, I just had the time, the ability, somewhere in there, the wherewithal, maybe I knew enough to just stay and the Lord really met me in that.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's so beautiful.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for sharing that.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what a picture of our Heavenly Father just holding us in those parts of our season, not having to be anything.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: I think that really removed even the shame piece for people, where it's like, well, I fell asleep just sitting there, and I'm like, Yeah, but you were sitting there in his lap.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and or I fell asleep praying while you were praying.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: You weren't swearing, or you weren't like running and doing things you weren't supposed to be doing, you know, you were still in his presence.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, we we always are, but to be that intentional and to sit there, I think that's really beautiful.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for sharing that part of your story.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I wanted to share a little bit about just what I've seen.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: If I can do that, if I can take license to do that in this seat.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: You've been given control.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_01: Just to having walked with you through some of what you're speaking about now.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it's been about five years we figured out, right?
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: Since we've known each other.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: And um so, friend, it's really been actually an honor to watch God walk with you through some of these very dark seasons, these dark nights of the soul, but to hold tight to you that he was holding you tight and that he allowed you to push and lean into him.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I just have really seen you grow in the space of learning to take a breath before jumping, discerning before committing, believing in your voice enough to know it's valuable.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I've loved to watch you move from shrinking to rising up to the fullness of how he's created you to impact others for the kingdom through your life and through your business.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: And it's been really beautiful.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I just say, more to come, friend.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that blesses my heart.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: I would clearly, as we're both crying, Deanna, thank you.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for seeing me.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's the gift that you give to me day in and day out.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I think even you saying that there's something really valuable for my seven friend to hear is that there may have been a lot of life that told you you were too much and you were too bright, and you were too shiny, and to this, and to that.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: And your energy is a gift, your forward thinking is a blessing.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: And we're talking about all these invitations to back off a little bit, but it's not to go small or dim or dull or depressed in any way.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: It is so you can shine bright onto the glory of God with his light, with his joy and the fullness of that.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I can I can just say the light is brighter than us ever, without shame and without it's not my own confidence, but it's my confidence in that this is God in me and God through me.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I love that because I know that's the difference, and I can offer to that to others without apology.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I maybe have gained a little bit discernment along the way to know when's the right time and the right place.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: Not a hundred percent of the time, but I'm getting there.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: So, anyway, our dear seven friend who's listening, just know we see you and we love you and bring all that you are.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_00: And don't be worried if you need to sit a little bit longer.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: There's something in that too.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: Deanna, thank you.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for taking over the mic and doing this.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, maybe a podcast in your future.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: Wholehearted network anybody.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just like, it's can I just be a seven for a moment and dream out loud with my friend who's listening to bear witness?
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: But thank you for doing this in your tender, superpower way.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: And thank you for seeing me and all that you are to the wholehearted community.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: My pleasure.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for letting me.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks so much for joining me for the Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast.
• 27:29
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• 27:34
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• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: And remember, friend, your starting point doesn't have to be your stuff point.