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Neil Oliver: Remembering What It Means To Be Human · UK Column Radio

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Well, thank you, Neil, for joining me today.
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My, my guest today is Neil Oliver, who's currently a
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broadcaster for GB News and yourself, obviously your own
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stuff. And I'm really, really delighted
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to have you today on UK column and, and just, it's just really
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good that you've you've you've agreed to speak to us.
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So. Yeah, my pleasure.
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Lots of wonderful questions for you.
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SO tell me I, I just wondered, you know, you, you've obviously
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done a lot of history stuff and you know, I've been looking at
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all, I mean, I used to be a great fan of coast.
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You know, that wonderful news that you did.
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And you know, you're obviously really embedded in in history
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and you love the history of of England and Scotland and the
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whole of the UK, the British Isles.
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So tell me what, what, when did you sort of make that transition
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to doing what you're doing now? I mean, what, when, when was
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that big wake up call? What happened?
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Oh my goodness, Harry, thanks for, thank you for making time
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for me. I'm, I'm always one of the great
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pleasures of the last few years has been the number of
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different, the number of different people and
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organisations that, that, that I, I get to talk to.
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So I'm always enthused by the prospect of another
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conversation, especially when I'm not quite sure you know what
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that conversation will bring. So it's lovely to be with you.
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And that one question you've asked there could, if you wanted
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me to, I could talk for the next two hours about that alone.
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Go. Ahead.
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But no, I as you say, I mean I stumbled into television in the
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1st place right by accident really.
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I didn't mean I didn't. It was never my ambition.
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I studied archaeology. I worked in journalism various,
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I did various jobs over the years.
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And then I happened to be, I was involved with a project setting
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up an excavation of a battlefield in South Africa that
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I didn't sort of like downtime, you know, got time off work and
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stuff. And I went and did this thing.
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And that was in 19981999 and, and for a few years and it came
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to the attention of a, of a, of TV.
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And Long story short, I stumbled into television at that point
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and start, I started, I made a television series called Two Men
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in a Trench about archaeology. And then I got Coast and, and
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so, and then everything else that that followed thereafter.
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So that had been accidental anyway.
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And I did it for, I don't know, it must have been more than 15
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years or maybe a bit less than 20 years, all sorts of projects
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about archaeology and history and landscape and sacred Britain
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and so on and so on. And then like like everybody
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else really, I got then the 2020 happened, you know, lockdown
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happened, you know, everything shot that at that point, I had
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really been making most of my living from touring around
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theatres. I was doing a live show and all
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the obviously all the theatres closed and I was like washed up.
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But what you know how I'm self-employed.
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I can't work at the what am I going to do?
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Because I didn't have any money. I didn't have any, you know, so
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I was, I was anxious about what exactly was going to happen.
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And I started, I got an opportunity to speak.
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I honestly don't remember how, but Mike Graham at the time, it
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was talk radio, which was a, you know, you know, well, exactly
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what it sounds like. I talk radio station and he
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approached me. I don't maybe I had, I must have
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written something, maybe in what I had a column in The Sunday
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Times. I used to put some opinion in
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there. Mike got in touch with me,
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invited me on as a regular guest.
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I used to, I used to talk to Mike every Wednesday morning, 11
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O clock or something with a regular slot together where we
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would chew the fat of the day for 20 minutes or so.
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And then at the at the time and in the background, as it turned
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out, GB News was a fledgling. Well, it was, it hadn't even
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launched. It was just an idea.
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And the team that were that were building GB News approached me
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because they had, and it was really because they had heard me
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being opinionated on Mike Graham's talk radio show.
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And I got, I got invited to be one of the original line up of,
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of hosts, presenters, whatever on GB News back in the June of
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2021. And from that point on, really
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it, it certainly intensified a kind of a controversial nature
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to what I was seeing. I suppose because I was speaking
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out about being anti lockdown, anti jab.
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I was anti everything. I had questions to ask about,
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about what we were being told about the war in Ukraine and
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everything else. I mean, along the way over the
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years, I had picked up some of us have a reputation for
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controversy. I spoke out in 20.
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Oh God, when was it 2014? At the time of the the
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referendum on whether or not Scotland would break away from
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the United Kingdom. And I was invited to give my
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opinion about that in a sun in a, a Sunday paper, I think a
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broadsheet. And I said I prefer, I thought
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that I I didn't like the idea. I would prefer to stay in the
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United Kingdom. And that made me.
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Flack for that, didn't you? I did.
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That was really, that was really because at that time I was still
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very much a sort of a, you know, I was sort of low level
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establishment fixture at that point.
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You know, I was most of my telly was on the BBC.
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It was very gentle stuff. You know, you talked about
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course, which was a lovely project, but it was certainly
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was never controversial. I was associated with kind of a
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quite a light, you know, on screen personality.
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I suppose. I had a column in The Sunday
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Times. I was, I was an advocate or a, a
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spokesperson for various charities because that tends to
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happen to you when you've got, when you reach a certain point
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on telepresenting, various organisations ask you to be a,
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you know, a known face that they can attach things to.
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So I was a, you know, I was a little small, small scale
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fixture. And then 2014 in the Scottish
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referendum sort of threw me into a controversial position because
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I was suddenly, you know, I was, I was annoying people that
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wanted Scottish independence and that that level of, of being a
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controversial figure persisted then.
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And of course, by the time we got to the events of 2019-2020,
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and I said what I said and I have continued to see it ever
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since. And by now, you know, I don't
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have anything to do with, I've been dropped by everybody.
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You know, I don't have my column.
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I don't have my agent. I had ATV agent in those days.
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I represent. I was, I was, I had been the
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president of the National Trust for Scotland.
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I was, I was, I was a, a fellow of the Royal Society of
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Edinburgh and all of these things I ended up on the outside
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of by now. So I'm, I'm now just I'm, I'm, I
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am where I am. So you know, how, how do you
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keep up your, your spirit strong in the, in the face of
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censorship and isolation and, and the corruption that's around
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you? How do you keep your spirits up?
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Well, I don't really think about it in those terms.
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I suppose I've always I'm, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm
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married. My wife is truly, we've been
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together a very long time. We've known each other since we
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were teenagers. She's always been completely on
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the same page as me. We agree about all these things
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happily. Fortunately, I suppose my kids
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back our position as well. You know, they're, you know,
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they're growing up now. You know that my eldest is in
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her early 20s and my youngest is 17 and you know, they're old
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enough to make their own, to have their own opinions about
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significant matters. They're all on board That
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because I have their approval, I suppose is a big thing.
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You know, I'm not doing this on my own.
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You know, when I say thing and where I say something on voice
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and opinion and the brick bats come, which they do.
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I, I'm in a, I'm in an environment where I'm backed up
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and supported by my, by my nearest and dearest.
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And I think, I think what I'm saying is, is true, even more
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fundamental. I, I, I have conviction about
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what I'm saying. And to be quite honest with you,
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I'm, I'm certain I'm right, not, not, not on all the details.
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And I get, you know, I'm, I'm sure I make mistakes and get
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dates wrong and you know, and conflate certain things, but
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fundamentally down. But it counts.
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I think, I think it resonates with a lot of people as well
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because what I'm saying is, is just true.
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Yeah, and, and I mean you, you've, you when you, when you,
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when you were presenting your monologues, you know, on GB
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News, people absolutely resonated with you because you
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come from a very human story and you touch, I don't know, there's
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something about you that you relate to the individual somehow
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on some, on some level. And I think, I think that's part
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of your, your amazing success is that you, you relate to people
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on a very, very normal human level.
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And, and that that's what people love.
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Well. I come from a very I come from
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a, from a background that, you know, a very large chunk of
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population can can identify with.
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You know, I'm from a, from an, I was, I grew up in a, an ordinary
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working class family, a loving family, you know, lovely mum and
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dad with two Big Sisters. I went to state school.
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You know, I, I, I was the only person in my family that went to
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uni and, you know, and, and you know, and that was, you know, my
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mum and dad were delighted about that.
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And, you know, I come from that kind of background.
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I've always worked. I've always really, I've mostly
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been self-employed. I mean, for most of my 20s and
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30s and 40s, I was just self-employed really.
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And that's A and what I I live in Sterling.
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I live in an, an ordinary Scottish town, a bump into
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regular folk all the time, going to the, going to the shops,
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buying food, dropping the kids off at school.
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There's nothing remarkable about my circumstances, no.
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You just, you're just. Yeah, you.
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And so I'm liable to articulate what, yeah, a, a not a majority,
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but I, I, it's a good big chunk of people out there that, that
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come from my background have more or less my experience of
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life and they want to hear the things I'm saying said.
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I'm not, I'm not, I'm not seeing anything.
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That's, you know, I'm not reinventing the wheel.
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I'm just seeing and people, it resonates with people because
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they think, yeah, that's that's what I think.
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Yeah, now you've worked both inside and out of the media
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machine. How in your experience, are you
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seeing narratives being shaped right now and what it was
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before, say, COVID-19 or although before you began to see
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what was really going on? I was absolutely as as asleep,
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as gold, as gullible, as trusting as as the next mug.
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I was never part of it was, I was, I mean, I, I trained as a
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journalist for a few years and I worked in local papers for a few
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years. But but my heart was, I was
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never really. Yeah, it wasn't my, I did it for
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a while and then I, I moved on, as I say.
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I spent, you know, a couple of decades doing television.
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My focus was always things like history, archaeology, even sort
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of esoterica, I suppose. I mean, I was always interested
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in stuff that was a bit, you know, off the wall and, you
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know, a bit niche maybe. I didn't really pay a lot of
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attention to politics for the, for I thought the state was or
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wasn't up to. I just took it for granted.
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I just, I knew that whatever, you know, the authorities were
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out there, the government, the, the, the police, the judiciary,
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the, the council, the civil service, I didn't really think
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about it very much. I was just, I was just in a, a
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state of slumber. I suppose, assuming that they
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were just out there, probably whatever the, whatever the
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ideology was, they were, they probably had my best interests
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at heart. And I think I was in that
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mindset of just, you know, too distracted by what I was doing
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over here to, to, to spend too much time wondering about what
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the Labour Party were doing or what the Tories were up to or
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whatever. And I think a lot of people, we
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were all, I think many, many more of us were like that then.
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But like so many other people, because of the, the, I mean, the
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Internet has been around for a long time.
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I'm actually quite a, I'm actually quite a student of the,
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the, the, the development of the Internet.
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I mean, I know quite a lot about where it came from.
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I worked on one of the very early websites in the UK and
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I've always been very interested in it and I'm I'm possibly more
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aware than some, maybe more aware than most of where the
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Internet came from. And then how it came into a
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flowering really in the 90s. It it went mainstream in the 90s
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and it changed everything. It simultaneously obviously
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allowed the technocrats to begin the process of harvesting all
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the data about us so that they know more about us than we know
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about ourselves. But the flip side of the same
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coin was that we hadn't accessed an enormous amount of
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information, and we were also connected to like minds in a way
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that had never been possible before.
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You could, if you had an opinion about something, you could
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quickly find a chat room or a, or a, or an assembly of people
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that, oh, they think they're wondering about that as well.
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And it was incredibly fertile. And so when you, in answer to
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your question, the, when I was in the media, you know, when I
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worked in local papers in the 90s and then when I worked in,
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you know, terrestrial television in the, in the 2000s and, and
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the 20 teens and so on, the, the, the authorities had control
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of the narrative because they controlled all the media, few
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newspapers, a few TV channels and that was it.
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And it was able to keep that pretty much tamped down so that
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they, they knew what was it. Then the Internet came into its
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full flowering, which is where we are now.
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And it changed, it gave people access to alternative narratives
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And that has changed everything. It changed everything for me and
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it's changed everything for many people.
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And now, now we have obviously the emergence of AI, which is,
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you know, another massive step. How do you how do you feel about
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the the the March of AI at the moment?
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Well, I'm not really. I'm not worried about it.
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This is my point. I'm not good at quick answers,
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but there's a quick answer for you.
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Yeah, I don't. I mean, it's, to me, artificial
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intelligence is fast and it's able very quickly to, to read
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everything that's ever been written and distill out in a in
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nanoseconds. It does that, absolutely.
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But it's, it's dependent upon the millennia of the creativity
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of human beings. You know, it's, you know, we
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live inside the body of a whale. There's been plenty to eat, but
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only because there was a whale. It it's, it's cannibalizing
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everything, but it's only fast. It's not conscious.
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It's not like us. It it's not human consciousness.
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I don't think I, I don't it'll never whatever it becomes, it'll
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never be us. It won't be the same as us.
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And I'm not, I'm not worried about it.
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I mean, I, I've said before that, you know, I, I was 6 or 7
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when my dad came home one night with a calculator and showed us
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this thing that could we were shouting arithmetical questions
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and my dad was showing us how fast it came up with the answer.
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I realized as a six year old that I had been overtaken by a
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thing that my dad could hold in his hand when it came to
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arithmetic. You know, in the advent of
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computers. I mean, I've accepted that they
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can do what they do infinitely faster than me or or anybody
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else. But I I no more feel threatened
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personally by AI than I feel threatened by a crane that can
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lift a tent on block. I can't move.
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OK, so I mean, how do you, how do you, I mean, you often speak
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of what it's like to be human and what do you think's at stake
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with, with the, you know, the continuing to be human when
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you've got AI and genetic engineering and and digital
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surveillance convergence? I mean, do do you feel that is a
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threat to humanity itself because of transhuman, you know,
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the, the, the, the merging of the man and machine to towards
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transhumanism because we know this is all happening.
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So do you feel that that could be a threat to humanity, to the
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human condition at least? Yeah.
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It's, it's an alternative. We, we don't have anything.
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I, you, you can feel it if you choose to.
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I, I don't, I'm not, I'm not interested in competing with it.
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I, I'm interested in what humans are and what humans are capable
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of. I'm interested in the, you know,
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you know, we're, we're carbon. You know, the artificial
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intelligence is silica. It's, it's a, it's a, it's a
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different thing. And I honestly, I don't think
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we've even begun to exploit the true potential of human
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consciousness, but human potential full stop.
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I don't think we're, I think we're just across the threshold
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of, of all of that potential. And we've been exploiting
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technology for a very long time to enable us better to do the
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things that we want to do without sacrificing our
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humanity. I don't think, I don't feel, I
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suppose there might be, maybe there are people out there who
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want to bond with machines. Maybe they want to bond in that
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transhumanism way that you're talking about.
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Maybe they want to become a hybrid between the human and and
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the technological. I personally don't.
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So do you think it it will be a choice or do you think it will
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be not a choice to do so the way that digital Idi mean?
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We know that digital ID is coming.
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Well, it's all the infrastructure is already there,
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isn't it? So yeah, I mean that that is
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worrying. I don't think digital ID will
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work. No, I've got I Really.
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Don't. I mean, I think, you know, I
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think the, the announcement of it, I think lots of people are
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very suspicious about it and I just don't, I'm not I, I used to
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worry about digital ID before Keir Starmer announced it was
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coming. And somehow or other instantly I
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wasn't worried about it anymore. It was a bit like, you know,
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waiting for the punch and then, you know, the blow comes and you
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think, oh, well, you know, I can live with that.
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And it's not so bad. It's not the end of the world.
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And I, I, I refuse to, I refuse to accept the inevitability of,
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of digital feudalism. I know it's, it's the, I know
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the intention is out there, but I, I believe it will fail.
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I wouldn't, I wouldn't put a time on it.
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I mean, people quite often come at me and say you want me to.
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You must get it as well to some extent.
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I mean, if you, if you offer an opinion about something, people
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quite often will immediately respond with, yes, yes, I
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understand that. But what am I supposed to do?
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I don't know. That's up to you.
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You know, what what you want to do is is up to you.
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I'm not really in the I'm not really in the advice business.
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You know, I've voiced my opinion about things, but I'm not, I'm
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not, I'm not entitled to tell other people what they should
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think and what, how they should respond.
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I'm just, I just run off at the mouth about what I think, but I,
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I don't, I believe that whether it, whether it lasts, whether it
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takes years or whatever time frame, it will fail.
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And I believe that there will be a point in the future where
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historians will look back on this phase that we're going
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through at the moment with, you know, with the, you know,
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they'll raise their hands in astonishment about what was
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contemplated and, and what people were invited to fear and
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to and to believe that they would be controlled by.
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I don't believe it will work, no.
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I I, I kind of get what you're saying because I mean, it was,
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it was, it was kind of quite good.
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Was it last week? It was a bit, the days go so
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quickly when everything went down, you know, that Amazon went
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down and I, I know Amazon, yeah, Zoom or anything.
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And a, a lot of the, the supermarkets, you know, had to
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revert cash and it was almost like, Oh my goodness, this is,
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we need more of this. This is, this is fantastic.
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This is where you can see how all of this could breakdown in a
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in a heartbeat. I mean.
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Everyone, I mean, that's, that's another, that's another aspect
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of it. People are so familiar now with
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the hackability of technology. Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, it's, it's, it's, we know that a, a platform or
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whatever is no sooner goes live than the hackers hack it.
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Yeah. There's a, there's a
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technological arms race running at all times and everything gets
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hacked. You know there's data breaches.
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Yeah, somewhere every more of it's happening all the time.
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The the Amazon Web Services failure.
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I'd I mean, I I don't even know. Did anyone say what happened to
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it? I don't know.
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They just I. Don't know.
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I don't know. Did they?
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Just switch it off and switch it on again I mean I I don't know
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or was it a hack? I don't know, but we we know
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about people are people know that if all their eggs are put
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in one basket, that it's inviting techno disaster.
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Yeah. If, if they ever got their
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digital IDCBDC 24 hour surveillance digital cage up and
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running, it would be leaking like a sieve.
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Yeah. Within nanoseconds of it going
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live, yeah. People's data, you know, would
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be being ripped out and hacked and and sold off and traded and
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instantly, well, it's such a it's such a disaster.
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If they got it up and running, it would be so disastrous that
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it would fall under the weight of its own hubris.
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And, and also the reliance on all this data has to be stored
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somewhere. And they're trying to put up
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these data centres all over the UK.
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And these data centres, I mean, there was a wonderful a protest
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about it on Saturday in, in Liverpool where the, you know,
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that the people are really wising up to, to the fact that
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these data centres have to be built to support the digital ID
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and everything else in the health data and all the stuff
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that they're, they're, they're harvesting from from us, the
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human beings. And in fact, if they can't build
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these data centres quick enough, it's not going to happen, even
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if. They can't.
23:55
We've been. We've been.
23:57
We have less and less access to meaningful energy in this
24:00
country. Yeah.
24:01
Exactly. You know, it's all, it's all the
24:03
nonsense of, of Agenda 2030 and all the, you know, all Ed
24:07
Miliband's wet dreams of whatever and the we know it's
24:13
common knowledge. I hear people say all the time
24:16
an AI search takes 8 times as much energy as a, as a
24:21
convention, you know, the kind of Google searches that we were
24:23
all so familiar with doing. It's all sucking on energy.
24:28
Yeah. And, and all these data, all
24:30
these, all these, all these data centres, all these server farms
24:35
upon which all of this data sits and has to be serviced around
24:39
the clock with, with diesel generators on takeover all the
24:43
time. Because you know, if, if an
24:45
electricity supply were to switch up, so they need to have
24:48
backup all the time. Yes, it's it's the cut.
24:53
It's going to collapse under its own weight.
24:55
Yeah, yeah. And, and do you think the global
24:58
elite or I don't like calling them the elite?
25:00
Do you think they've overplayed their hand in some ways?
25:04
Oh, yeah. And they're not winning this
25:06
this, this narrative. We can, definitely.
25:09
There's too many people watching this like some kind of awful
25:15
soap opera. It's not happening like that.
25:19
That period of slumber that I, that I spoke about a few minutes
25:22
ago, no longer prevails for too many people.
25:25
People are watching it. Yeah.
25:27
You know, something like whatever, you know, you.
25:30
JFK was shot dead in Dallas in 63.
25:35
And it's only really been quite recently that it's become
25:37
acceptable to say what really, you know, that he was definitely
25:41
not shot by a lone gunman. That was a lifetime of, of the I
25:47
mean, the very idea of suggesting that that conspiracy
25:51
had been behind what had happened to JFK was, you know,
25:53
was, was an athlete. You you're called a crank for
25:55
doing it. And that, that prevailed as soon
25:58
as something happens now seconds later on social media, whatever
26:02
people don't allow you see what's happened there.
26:04
Yeah, Look at the Charlie Kirk event, which I'm only prepared
26:08
to call an event. I have no idea in truth, what
26:11
happened that day. I, I wouldn't even I wouldn't be
26:14
confident in saying what what took place in that university
26:19
campus in that moment. But I don't know what happened
26:21
there at all. And that has been being pulled
26:25
apart since the, you know, well, the, well, the echo of the, of
26:29
the, of the gunshot, you know, we're still reverberating off
26:32
the structures. We're living.
26:35
It's. Too, there's too many people,
26:36
too many people paying too much attention.
26:40
And and so the so the, the soap, yeah, the elite.
26:42
I mean, just use the word. It doesn't really matter.
26:44
It's just shorthanded. We know who we're talking about.
26:47
They have overplayed everything. I I think they over, I think
26:50
they went for it in 2016. But Trudy said to me at the
26:54
time, or she she said not long after she said, you know, the,
26:58
the, the Brexit vote. And I'm not, I'm not even
27:02
offering an opinion on whoever thought that was a good idea or
27:04
a bad idea. The Brexit vote and the Trump
27:06
election in 2016. Again, I'm not taking a stance
27:08
on, you know, whatever that's what happened.
27:10
Brexit vote. Trump truly says everything
27:13
that's happened since has been a punishment beating because those
27:17
two events were not supposed to happen, you know?
27:21
Yeah. And in, in that, in that moment,
27:24
the, the, the elites panicked, yes, because, you know, because
27:28
the, you know, the, the, the prisoners in the, in the, in
27:31
the, in the camp, you know, escaped for a minute and did
27:35
something they weren't supposed to do.
27:37
And all the effort then was to get them, get them back in the,
27:39
get them back in the compound, get them back inside, get them
27:41
shut down. I think also the, we know that
27:45
we know that the, the, the, the financial cycle lasts about a
27:51
century and then it, it falls under its own corruption really.
27:57
And we're at the end of a, we're at the end of a financial cycle
28:00
that's been running since whatever early part of the 20th
28:03
century, probably. And it's, it's falling apart and
28:05
that the elites have to reset it to, you know, sort of perpetuate
28:11
the status quo that they enjoy. And I think, I think something,
28:15
if you're asking me, I think something happened around 2019,
28:19
2018-2019. It was some sort of something
28:21
existential emerged that threatened their plans, and they
28:27
had to. What they did with the with the
28:29
fake pandemic was a desperate attempt to buy themselves time
28:34
it. Was it was they needed to.
28:36
They needed they needed to switch off the economy.
28:40
Get get, get. Let's just take a pause here,
28:43
they thought. And so we were all locked down
28:45
and, you know, panic, panic, panic scammed emic and then
28:49
that, you know, and then the horror show for it pushed into a
28:52
billion people's arms and all of the rest of it was a is a was a
28:56
desperate attempt by that, by the, you know, by the elites to
28:58
buy themselves some time. And I I genuinely think that
29:03
what looks so it has looked so unusually chaotic since about
29:08
2020. It's been frantic as never
29:12
before. I mean, most of us look around
29:13
at the world at the moment we go.
29:15
What on earth is going on? The world has finally gone mad.
29:19
Well, that's it has because there's a desperate attempt
29:25
going on to maintain or regain control and they don't have it.
29:32
And in the in the, in all the ongoing desperation to try and
29:35
get the reset and to get things the way they want.
29:37
We can see them. You know, the mask is dropped
29:41
and we've we've seen them scuttling about you.
29:43
So how? What do you see?
29:45
What do you think the future looks like?
29:47
I mean, if you've got so you've got these global elites
29:50
panicking to, to, to, to, you know, to, to keep that control
29:54
and keep it all in, in, you know, under, under their, under
29:58
their jurisdiction. And and yet you've got a, an
30:01
increasingly, you know, awakening, you know, world who
30:09
are pushing back against that. How do you see, you know, what
30:13
is what does freedom look like in the 21st century when you've
30:16
got all of that going on? What?
30:17
How do? How does that look like do you
30:19
think? I generally, I mean, I come and
30:22
go on this, but most of the time I, I think we're not dealing
30:27
with one coordinated group. The analogy I'm much more
30:34
comfortable with most of the time is of competing crime
30:37
families. You know, I think there are
30:39
various, the world is criminal and corrupt.
30:43
We, we live in a corrupt and criminal world.
30:47
Unlawful. The whole things are financial
30:50
fraud. It's it's, you know, the, the,
30:52
the currencies are, are Ponzi schemes and all of the rest of
30:55
it. And I think that are there are
30:58
multiple syndicates that that sometimes basically they're,
31:03
they're on the same page because they want to keep us where
31:07
they've got us and they want to continue to exploit the
31:11
potential of, of control. But I think there's degrees of
31:15
disagreement and and competition between different crime
31:18
syndicates. It's like a godfather, you know,
31:21
it's like, it's not just there's not just one top table that's
31:24
got total control. I don't think so, no.
31:28
I. Think you're right.
31:29
I think that there, there is a sort of, you know, you, you've
31:32
got, you've got your technocrats and you've got your, your
31:34
globalists and you've got various other almost mafia like
31:38
controllers and they're, they're all vying for, for, for control.
31:43
So it's not as you say, it's not.
31:45
We, we talk about multipolarity, you know, we talk about, you
31:48
know, the, the hegemony of the West collapsing and it's, you
31:51
know, it's no longer just the West, the USA, NATO, what you
31:54
want to call that entity calling all the shots.
31:57
You know, there's a there's, there's, there's multipolar,
32:00
there's, there's other groups that economically and
32:04
ideologically have have got themselves into a position to
32:06
compete. So there's, there's more than
32:08
one dog in the fight, you know, so you're, so you're watching
32:12
that, watching that play out. You know, I think, I think
32:16
whatever is on the other side of the Atlantic can't really be
32:19
bothered with the war in Ukraine anymore.
32:21
And I think that, but I think the, the, the globalists in
32:24
Europe desperately need that war to continue.
32:28
So there's a, there's a difference of opinion and
32:30
different appetites at play there.
32:33
The, the, the entity on the other side of the Atlantic wants
32:36
something else, the EU and, and the, and the, and the globalist,
32:40
whatever entity there wants to perpetuate that war because it's
32:44
all they've got. If they don't have that war,
32:46
then they're the potential to. Bankers need wars and it's a
32:50
proxy war at the end of the day. It's a very, very odd almost,
32:54
you know, it's, it's definitely a, a war for the 21st this
32:58
century because it's, it's so, yeah, it's not like a a real
33:01
war. I, when you see what's the 20%
33:03
or what's the future going to be and what's the 21st century
33:06
going to look like, I think that we have to deal with the reality
33:13
that the problems we face have been generations in the making
33:17
and there'll be generations in the fixing.
33:20
Yeah, I, I mean, I'm, I'm not confident of seeing anything
33:25
fixed in my lifetime, but there's I think what, what is
33:31
happening or what has happened is a realization by enough
33:35
people that the such that we're that we're living with something
33:39
rotten. I think people are aware in
33:44
different levels, but so many people have got at least the
33:49
notion that the system that we have is broken.
33:54
It's fundamentally not serving us.
33:58
You know, I think, I think there's a realisation out there
34:00
that really we should be living in a time of plenty.
34:04
The, the, the fear and the, and the suggestion of scarcity
34:08
that's out there. I mean, I put this out on social
34:10
media just yesterday or something.
34:12
This, this idea that there's, there's not enough energy or
34:17
there's not enough food or there's too many people.
34:20
That whole Malthusian thing that, that, that thing that
34:22
boils down to there being not enough to go around is just not
34:26
true. It's a, it's a, it's a fiction.
34:30
It's a cynical fiction that's that's maintained and
34:33
perpetuated because it it it, it affords the the powerful people,
34:38
you know, the control, the control that they need.
34:41
I think plenty of people are realizing that it doesn't have
34:44
to be that way. And I think we're we could be,
34:47
we could. I think if I'm being optimistic,
34:49
we could be on the cusp of apocalypse.
34:52
Apocalypse being, you know, the awakening, the revelation, Yeah,
34:57
the drawing aside of a, of a curtain of obfuscation and
35:00
illusion to to to reveal reality.
35:04
I think we're, I think that is, that is potentially there.
35:07
And you do, you do find yourself straying into territory where
35:10
you need to sort of slightly uncomfortable and unfamiliar
35:13
vocabulary. Yeah.
35:15
You have to talk about spirituality and you have to
35:17
talk about what it is to be human and alive.
35:19
And you have to, you know, what is real value?
35:21
What does freedom even mean? Freedom's always held up as just
35:25
that. You know, it's just the, you
35:26
know, great, fantastic. You know, everybody wants
35:29
freedom. Freedom's actually an onerous
35:31
responsibility. You to be to accept freedom is
35:36
to take responsibility for yourself and the consequences of
35:39
your actions. And an awful lot of people, what
35:42
they really want is to be held by the hand and LED.
35:45
They say they want freedom, but really what they want is, is
35:48
confinement with benefits. Yeah.
35:50
Or, or a kind of a fur line. A fur line sell with with
35:53
broadband. Freedom.
35:55
Freedom is what you know, Kris Kristofferson said freedom's
35:58
just another word for nothing, left to lose.
36:01
And absolutely. I was just going to say also,
36:05
you know, you once said that courage is courageous.
36:09
How do we make truth as courageous as fear?
36:12
Because you know, we, we have got a lot of courageous people
36:15
like yourself, like, you know, myself and other, other
36:18
colleagues who stand up and really, you know, tell the
36:21
truth. But there's so much fear and
36:24
it's getting over that, that fear.
36:27
What you know the the fear is how we are manipulated and, and,
36:32
and how how they how they ultimately will win this battle.
36:36
Again, I, I feel, I've, I feel it goes, but it's, it goes back
36:40
to fundamentals. I've, I at the moment struggle
36:45
to maintain an interest in the forensic analysis of the state
36:50
of the nation. I feel as if I've got enough, I
36:53
understand and I forgot what happened in the last five years
36:56
that you know, I, I don't, I don't feel the need to get any
37:00
more detail. I've got the gist of what
37:03
happened and I've got the gist of what's going on, you know,
37:08
without minutely unpicking every last thread of it.
37:12
I mean, that's for other people to do.
37:13
That's not particularly the way that that I am wired up.
37:18
But when I talk about going back to fundamentals, you know, I'm
37:22
interested in, you know, common law, I'm interested in natural
37:27
law. What is being done?
37:30
The fear is part of it. What is being done, what is
37:35
being pursued by a very tiny psychopathic anti human minority
37:42
is against the natural law? Yeah, I was going to ask you
37:46
that question. You know, do, do you believe in
37:48
a divine natural law that will somehow be will, you know, will
37:52
give people the, the means to unpick all this?
37:55
You know, because it's very difficult.
37:57
I mean, and you once said also that totalitarianism doesn't
38:01
come unannounced. You know, are we missing
38:03
anything here? You know, are we missing any of
38:06
the cues or the clues to, to really almost, you know, there's
38:13
two questions there. Do you clearly believe in
38:15
natural law? Do you think that that there
38:17
will be a divine hand that will unpick all this by by by simply
38:22
by natural law? Well, when you, you talk about a
38:25
divine hand, you know, that's sort of, I don't feel the need
38:29
to, as it were, anthropomorphize natural law.
38:34
No, I what, what I do believe without actually having to
38:39
imagine a, a person. You know, I believe that the,
38:45
the, the universe has our wants the best for us.
38:50
Otherwise, I don't think there would be anything, you know,
38:54
why, why NFA? It's difficult to it's difficult
38:57
to have these conversations. I mean, it's fun to have these
38:58
conversations, Sandy, but it's also difficult to have them
39:00
without sounding like some kind of an, you know, you know,
39:03
straying into sort of new age nut case territory, You know,
39:06
and by that I mean no pejorative, but I'm as much of A
39:11
nut case as the next person. But what, what I what I mean is
39:14
that I believe that the universe wants the best for us, existence
39:20
wants the best for us, and that what is being imposed by the
39:22
psychopathic minority is an inversion of the natural law.
39:27
I've, I've said before, I feel it's a bit like holding a, a
39:30
beach ball under the surface of the sea.
39:33
Yeah, you can, you can do it for as long as you've got the energy
39:37
to hold under the water. But the ball wants to be
39:41
somewhere else, and eventually it will go there because that's
39:46
in the natural order. Yeah.
39:48
This, this has been everything. That's all we, what we see
39:51
around us are corruptions and perversions, inversions of the
39:56
way things ought to be and the way things could be.
40:01
And I believe that we will get back the natural order.
40:05
The natural law will reassert itself.
40:07
Hmm. Yeah, I, yes, I, I agree with
40:11
you on that one. I think that's the only thing
40:13
that keeps me going actually. Because, yeah, I mean, we on the
40:19
face of it, if you, if you look at at what's going on right now,
40:22
take a snapshot of the UK right now and it, it is so mad and so
40:29
dystopian and, and all sorts of things are going on that are
40:33
just clearly not right. I mean it's.
40:37
Very confronting. It's very confronting.
40:38
I mean, I'm talking about freedom being, you know, quite,
40:40
quite a difficult thing to contemplate and that it ought,
40:43
you know, not to be taken lightly.
40:46
When, when you know, we're, we're seeing clearly the, the,
40:50
you know, all the stuff around, see the, the rape gangs and the
40:53
grooming gangs and whatever. And people are rightly, I mean,
40:58
whatever emotion second, enraged, appalled, demanding
41:02
justice. All of that is right.
41:04
But I think what the, the, the, the perversion, the, the
41:07
corruption of the natural order of the natural law.
41:11
That's that's manifest in that behaviour, that all that's
41:16
happening at the moment is it we're pretending that it's, we
41:18
know exactly where it is and who did it.
41:21
And I think unhappily and uncomfortably that abuse of
41:25
children, that behaviour is, is endemic and rife.
41:31
I think it's through the flesh of Britain.
41:34
Like, like, like, like, you know, like fat through neat,
41:38
like the lettering through Blackpool Rock.
41:40
It's all the way through from the highest to the lowest, you
41:45
know, and without naming names, I believe that the highest and
41:49
the most powerful are engaged in that behaviour, have been
41:53
engaged in that behaviour at some level at some time.
41:57
That is, it's prevalent and it's there and it's uncomfortable to
42:00
confront that the corruption, the corruption in our society
42:06
is. And when I, when I talk about,
42:07
you know, the responsibility, we're, we're all sadly kind of
42:11
complicit in it. You know, we've, we've been,
42:14
we've been living, you know, comfortable, insulated lives, a
42:19
lot of us. And now we realize now we're
42:22
being made to confront the horror and the depravity and the
42:27
cruelty and the misery that has been endemic for a very
42:32
considerable proportion of our society.
42:35
You know, the mistreatment and the misuse and the abuse, it's
42:40
so prevalent that we can't, we're, we're going to have to
42:44
face up to it. This is, this has happened on
42:48
our, our society has gone our, our, our establishment, our
42:51
society has, has, has been corrupt on our watch and we've
42:57
we've let it be like that to some extent.
42:59
A. Lot of it is that we, we weren't
43:01
until the information age, we weren't as aware of it.
43:04
I think that's fair to say. I think this is, this corruption
43:08
has gone on for thousands of years, actually hundreds and
43:12
thousands of years, you know, since Babylonian times.
43:15
So we've had, we've had all that.
43:16
But I think what's different now is that we have the ability to
43:22
to see it and to see it from what it is.
43:24
It's very uncomfortable to look at it.
43:26
Yeah, that that that it actually is is in some ways is confronted
43:32
and revealed. It's it's naturally organically
43:34
being revealed to us on a on a daily basis.
43:38
And I think it is it's a massive shock.
43:40
It's like every day is another download of of corruption and
43:44
and and deepest horrible, you know, tyranny in in many,
43:48
particularly with with children and.
43:50
And when you and when you look at what's been what's been done
43:53
in our names and in our parents names and our grandparents names
43:56
in other parts of the world, you know, you know, you look at
44:00
what's you look at what has happened in the Middle East
44:04
really from, you know, let's say from the First World War, from
44:08
the time of the First World War onwards, what has been done
44:12
there, you know, and the disruption that has been done
44:16
there and the kind of realities and the kind of everyday lives
44:19
that have been inflicted upon millions of people.
44:23
And, and of course, the, all those, so many of those people
44:27
have those abused and damaged societies are unloading onto the
44:33
rest of the world. You know, they're coming away
44:36
from those places that, that on our watch and in our names and
44:40
parents, things these places were were disrupted and or
44:43
destroyed. You know, we know now it's, it's
44:46
common parallels to talk about the seven wars that, that, that
44:51
were embarked upon by, by the US, you from the early 1990s
44:55
onwards, you know, 7 wars in five years, you know, Libya,
44:59
Sudan, Somalia, Iraq, Iran, all these places that were to be
45:07
destroyed and regime changed. Oh no, in our name, apparently
45:13
by NATO, by the US, that was being, that was being done.
45:16
And now, of course, we're seeing consequences, you know, and the
45:19
and the the world has been upturned and people are on the
45:22
move and people have people who've suffered generational
45:25
abuse as societies. I have now elsewhere in the
45:28
world and it's causing trouble. But then it would wouldn't it?
45:32
And I was listening to see. That if you think about it, I, I
45:35
remember when George Bush, you know, initiated the, the, the
45:40
sacking of the Baghdad Museum. I mean, they were, they were
45:43
destroying also history that that needed to be suppressed.
45:49
Without a doubt, that was going on.
45:52
We've made, we have, we have been, we have slumbered through
45:57
a generationally, we in the West have slumbered through the
46:03
suffering of others. And we've we've, we've turned a
46:07
blind eye on a deaf. You're all, we've been all
46:09
because of the control of the narrative.
46:11
We were, you know, we're being persuaded that things were
46:15
otherwise. But now we're catching up.
46:18
The Internet is not just showing us what's happening now in real
46:22
time, it's also confronting us with what happened years ago,
46:28
decades ago, centuries ago. All of The Dirty linen is now
46:34
being washed in front of our eyes.
46:38
And you know you can. You can turn away from it only
46:42
for so long before events. We're all being confronted with
46:47
it. And that's what I mean when I
46:49
say that we, you know, we it, it.
46:51
Well, it doesn't have to be this way.
46:52
And the and the corrupted system cannot go on.
46:56
Yeah, I mean, to a degree. I mean, we're, we're being
47:00
attacked in a very different way.
47:01
I mean that, yes, there's been adventure abroad for the, the,
47:06
the, the sake of the, the, the narrative, the globalist Western
47:10
agenda or whatever you want to call it.
47:14
But you know, we, we here are still as, as under attack.
47:18
And I often say this when people talk about, Oh yes, but you
47:21
know, what about the Middle East, yes, it's what's been
47:23
going on there has been absolutely appalling.
47:26
But we at the moment of witnessing the destruction of
47:29
this country in lots of ways of being, for instance, NET 0, all
47:33
of those. That's that's what people, yeah,
47:36
that's what we're that's what we're seeing now.
47:37
You know, it's it's, it's all, it's washing up on our shores
47:40
now. And now this and now the same
47:41
abuses that that we've seen nothing yet.
47:46
No, I know. Yeah, you.
47:47
Know, I mean, I it, it does look, it's hard to it's hard not
47:51
to begin to draw the conclusion that the West is being, you
47:55
know, I say it's being dismantled.
47:58
It is absolutely the time of the time of the the time of the West
48:04
is, is someone has decreed that that time has passed.
48:08
And presumably it simultaneously it's being it's it has been
48:12
ordained that some other empire must rise.
48:16
But we are we in the West are seeing it now the the
48:20
deindustrialization. I mean, who would have thought
48:23
you and I that we would live to see Germany deindustrialized?
48:28
You know, it's being brought to its knees economically.
48:31
Germany, the powerhouse of Europe.
48:33
You know that you took that for granted for the last 20 years or
48:36
more. And who would have, who would
48:39
have thought that the things that are happening across
48:42
Europe, across Western Europe would ever have happened here?
48:45
Yes, the farmers being, you know, farmers being driven off
48:48
of the land clearly with the objective that there'd be less
48:53
food and that and that a minority be find it easier to be
48:57
in control of the food supply. The, you know, the freedom to
49:01
transact, the freedom to spend cash, the privacy, the community
49:07
family, the the clear distinction between male and
49:11
female. All of these things are being
49:15
undermined. Causing division as well.
49:18
Everything is causing division by design on the streets of our
49:22
of our of our land. You know whether it's.
49:24
You've got, you've got to hold. I mean, I think you've got to
49:26
hold two thoughts in your head simultaneously.
49:28
You know, the communities are being just all the things that
49:32
people are angry that that are happening.
49:35
The people are right to be angry about all of those things that
49:38
are happening, but it's being done from above.
49:42
Oh. Oh yes, we know that, yeah.
49:44
You know, we're people, we're angry with our neighbors, you
49:46
know, we're angry with the people that are being placed
49:48
alongside us in whatever, you know, whatever way you want to
49:52
interpret those words. You know, people are being put
49:54
side by side with other people or they're being mixed together
49:57
and that's having consequences, unhappy consequences mostly.
50:03
But who's doing it? Who's doing it to the countries?
50:07
Who is taking the countries apart?
50:10
The West has stood. The West stood for as long as it
50:13
stood. And now it's being taken apart.
50:16
And it's stood because people were determined that it stand.
50:19
And it's being taken apart because others are being
50:23
determined that it be taken apart.
50:26
You know, these things are not happening organically and by
50:29
accident, right? It's all been, it's all
50:31
happening by design, by design. And people are just furious with
50:35
other people, other people who are just just other people.
50:40
And the real problem? We're not focusing our
50:43
attention, far less our anger upon, because we don't even know
50:46
who they are. Well, have you any idea?
50:51
What, what I, what I, I mean, our general guiding rule that I
50:54
live by is that if you know their name and you know the face
50:57
that they, their middle management at most you know, And
51:00
when it comes to see the political scene, if someone, if,
51:03
if, if it's being ordained that you can, that that's a
51:06
legitimate opposition or or a legitimate political party, then
51:11
it won't make any difference. Anyone that you can, anyone that
51:15
you can see, anyone whose face is familiar to you, anyone whose
51:19
name is familiar to you. At most, At most, the middle
51:25
management. They're not making decisions,
51:29
they're not in control. They are just fact totems.
51:35
Exactly. Filling a role and you know, we
51:38
get given generationally we get, we get given one set after
51:41
another. Well, you can see that, that all
51:44
our governments, you know, they all act the same way because
51:47
they're being, they're being dictated to by the UN, the WEF,
51:52
the The Who and whoever is above that.
51:55
There's something going on where we, we don't have party, party
51:59
politics anymore. It's a uni party.
52:02
We know that. So, so in fact, the government
52:04
structure doesn't work anymore. So but.
52:07
Even party, but, but where do you start?
52:09
Party politics, I mean as though that was good you know what what
52:13
the the Bill of Rights 16881689 you know the the the so-called
52:18
sovereignty of parliament. I mean that that was just more
52:20
of the rot of. Course it was, yeah.
52:22
You know, and the and the establishment of the of the
52:24
party political system was poison.
52:27
So do you think we should be moving away completely?
52:30
Well, we should, actually. Everything has to break down,
52:32
doesn't it? But how?
52:34
It can't be we. Can't more intelligent?
52:37
Yeah, you can't fix it. No, the system is rotten.
52:42
Yeah, you can't. You can't.
52:43
You can't fix the swamp from inside the swamp.
52:47
If you step into the swamp with the intention of fixing it,
52:51
you'll just be up to your neck in the swamp.
52:54
Well, exactly. So what do you?
52:57
Well, turn aside, turn away from it.
52:59
Yeah, that's what I mean about it taking, you know, it's been,
53:01
it's been, it's been generations in the happening and it'll take
53:06
generations to fix. There's there's not going to be
53:08
any overnight instant fixes for it.
53:11
No, it's fundamental problems that we're dealing with all the
53:15
way back to education, all the way back to the way that, that
53:18
people are not educated, you know, all the way, you know, you
53:22
know, the undermining of, of family life and family values,
53:26
the, the taking a part of community, all of these things
53:28
will take generations to fix. I mean, when you think about
53:32
Fabianism, Fabian Fabianism is, is it's their, their, their
53:37
logo, one of their logos is the tortoise.
53:39
And it's about gradualism, isn't it?
53:41
So it's taken years, hundreds of years to actually put in place
53:47
the destruction of our world. And Fabianism is is global, but
53:51
particularly in the Uki mean it started in in the UKI believe.
53:55
So what you know that all of that will take years to unpick.
53:59
It's taken years to put in place.
54:01
So it will take years to unpick. It begins.
54:04
It begins with awareness. Yeah, it, it begins with with
54:08
seeing it, knowing it, accepting it to some extent, accepting
54:14
responsibility. Yes.
54:18
You know, it's like that. It's that thing around you like
54:20
a, you know, a car accident, you know, you know, nobody accepts
54:24
liability because both vehicles were there, otherwise the
54:26
accident wouldn't have happened. You know, and, you know,
54:29
insurance companies don't accept liability.
54:31
And none of us can, none of us can pretend that, that, that we
54:34
don't bear any sort of responsibility for that because
54:36
we are here. You know, karma means you're
54:39
doing what happens to you is your fault.
54:43
You did it. You know, it's not.
54:49
Well, people, people of this mixed up idea about karma that
54:51
you know, that means that if you, you know, if you commit
54:53
wrong in the past life, that something equal and will happen
54:56
to you in the next life. It's not like really the essence
54:58
of karma is that if it happens to you, it's your doing.
55:02
It's not it's, it's you, it's you, it's, it's not just
55:08
external forces and so. Yeah, not many people take
55:11
personal responsibility these days.
55:13
It's always somebody else's fault, Yeah.
55:15
But but the beginning, but all of it, the journey of 1000 miles
55:20
and all of the rest of it, it will begin with knowing, seeing,
55:23
accepting and not and not continuing to turn a blind eye
55:31
until and to hoping it'll just get better.
55:33
And to thinking that if you just hold your breath long enough,
55:36
somebody else will fix it. Yeah.
55:38
And asking, asking all the time. Well, you know, who's going to
55:41
fix it? What are you going to do?
55:44
But it's, it's going, it's personal responsibility.
55:48
Yeah, I mean, changing the subject for a moment, I mean,
55:52
what are your views on the royal family?
55:54
I know I'm taking that out of nowhere.
55:56
What's do you have any, any opinions on, on, on, you know,
56:00
because you you you're a historian, obviously.
56:03
Are they? Obviously?
56:04
Can't be bothered with them. That's always been my position.
56:07
I can't really be bothered with them.
56:08
Yeah, Yeah, I'm not. I mean, I remember particularly
56:14
when I was a week, when I was a week.
56:15
Well, when I was a little boy, when, when, when Diana Spencer
56:20
married the Prince of Wales. Yeah, Yeah, I was a little boy
56:25
and my mum as a as a whole country did.
56:27
We had a sort of a we had a sort of a, it was a sort of a party
56:29
in the house. It's.
56:30
A fairy trip, isn't it? Yeah.
56:33
You know, and my mum put on different foods, you know, there
56:35
was some sort of, you know, buffet lunch and it was all
56:40
royal weather and that. And I remember I Jane, honestly,
56:43
I remember thinking at the time, this is a bit weird, This is a
56:47
bit odd. I don't know, I don't know who
56:48
these I don't know these people and all.
56:50
And then, you know, Fast forward to the death of, of Diana
56:53
Spencer, Whatever happened there, that that outpouring of
56:59
grief, people crying in the street, rending of clothes and
57:03
mountains of flowers heaped in the streets of London.
57:07
I looked on at that and thought, I, I don't understand what,
57:10
what, what that I, I don't, I, these people don't know that
57:14
woman. How can they be experiencing
57:17
such a visceral grief? I just couldn't get it.
57:21
And I've always looked on at the royal family as just Punch and
57:25
Judy show. I, I, I've never invested them
57:29
with I, I mean, I understand that they mean a lot to people.
57:31
And there was no denying that, you know, at the death of Queen
57:34
Elizabeth, that was, that was the end of an era.
57:37
I mean, that was that there was a historical, that was a
57:39
historical moment she'd been around from that most people
57:42
couldn't remember a time when she wasn't there and then
57:45
suddenly she wasn't there. I mean, that was a moment that
57:47
was a historical moment. Regardless, that was just a
57:50
moment. I mean.
57:52
How how about the the king? Obviously he, you know, when he
57:56
was Prince Charles I. Can't bear him.
57:58
Well, I can't bear him. I've never.
57:59
I've never liked him. I don't know.
58:01
I don't like him. I didn't like him as I didn't
58:03
like him as the Prince of Wales and I don't like him as the
58:05
parent. I don't.
58:05
Like him, so embedded with with with the WEF, he's he's
58:09
definitely not working for the people in in as far as he's
58:12
pushing this and always has done.
58:15
He was at the Earth Summit in 1992, you know, hobnobbing with
58:19
the all the globalists on. It's absolutely bizarre.
58:22
I mean, when you look at it, you know, as a nation, we have a
58:25
sort of a nominated family that that that are just treated
58:29
entirely differently than everybody else.
58:32
Yeah. You know, like, like chunks of
58:34
the aristocracy across Europe, they're all descended from John
58:37
William Friso. He was a kind of a middle
58:40
management aristo. And, you know, the the Windsors
58:44
are descended from him. And as are other, you know,
58:47
royal families are descended from John William Friso.
58:50
And we've accepted that, that this family who changed the
58:55
name, you know, who changed the name to Windsor to, you know, to
58:59
get around the awkwardness of being at war with Germany are
59:02
just treated entirely differently.
59:04
I mean, when the you know, when, when, when, when the Queen was
59:06
when Elizabeth was still on the throne and during the 1960s and
59:11
70s when laws were being put through Parliament and entering
59:16
the statute books about the the way in which she couldn't
59:19
discriminate about employees and you couldn't discriminate.
59:23
The queen put a red pen through all of that in relation to her
59:27
properties. None of that applies to the none
59:31
of that applied then to the properties of the royal family.
59:35
And that went, that went through, that was noted through,
59:37
yes, you're different. You can treat your employees
59:40
differently because you're Elizabeth Windsor.
59:44
It's absolutely bizarre and it's it's, it's perpetuated.
59:49
And when grown, grown-ups watch another man, you know, wearing a
59:54
fur trimmed cloak and a hat covered in stolen jewels, it's
1:00:02
absolutely bizarre. And the whole It's beyond
1:00:04
pantomime. And all of that.
1:00:06
There's, there's, there's definitely a lot of rather
1:00:09
esoteric weird stuff with the, you know, the Order of the
1:00:12
Garter and the, the Free Masonic stuff it goes.
1:00:16
Before you. Yeah, that's before you get into
1:00:18
the whole idea that that ever since the, the, the paperwork
1:00:23
was signed for the Common Market, that the, the, you know,
1:00:27
the Queen was in breach of her coronation oath from that moment
1:00:31
onwards, you know, and that was a, that was a betrayal.
1:00:34
I mean, the country has been, I mean, if you, if you believe in
1:00:36
a constitutional monarchy, I'm just, that's, that's what we're
1:00:39
supposed to have. That's what we're told.
1:00:41
We live in a constitutional monarchy.
1:00:43
Well, everyone's in breach of it.
1:00:45
Yeah, everyone is in breach of it.
1:00:46
No, the king is not. The Queen didn't.
1:00:49
And the King is not living up to the Coronation Oath, which is
1:00:52
essentially to defend the people of Britain against against harm.
1:00:58
About against out outside, yeah. Basically they gave us a way to
1:01:02
a foreign power when they we joined the EU.
1:01:04
And yet we we continue to pretend.
1:01:06
I mean, it's, you know, basically our, our royal spouse
1:01:11
has been unfaithful to us. Yes, you know, has been in
1:01:13
breach of the marriage vows for all of that time.
1:01:16
And we're all just pretending like it's happy families.
1:01:19
It's. Absolutely it's.
1:01:20
Palpable nonsense, a whole lot of it.
1:01:22
You ask me what I think of the royal family.
1:01:24
I just think what absolute nonsense.
1:01:26
Yeah, no, they, they are really part of the biggest problem, I
1:01:30
think not maybe not the biggest, but a huge problem, maybe the
1:01:34
biggest. Who knows?
1:01:35
We don't know how deep it goes, but I've got a inkling that it
1:01:39
goes quite deep. And yeah, there's a there's,
1:01:43
there's a lot more that to the royal family than than.
1:01:45
Well, I mean, there's a whole. There's a whole, you know,
1:01:47
there's a whole the, the, the City of London, you know, is a,
1:01:53
is a separate entity. You know, you cross into the
1:01:56
City of London that, you know, everything's different.
1:02:00
It's a different jurisdiction. There's a, there's a guy sits in
1:02:03
Parliament called the remembrance, the City
1:02:05
remembrancer. You know who who's there to make
1:02:08
sure that nothing gets in the way of the, the unique and
1:02:11
bizarre rights and privileges of the City of London, the Bank of
1:02:15
England. It's a private entity.
1:02:18
It pretends it's not, but it's a private business.
1:02:22
These, these realities are right there in plain sight.
1:02:26
Absolutely. And we we, we go about our daily
1:02:28
lives and as, as though, as though the reality was something
1:02:31
different, but it's not. Exactly.
1:02:34
Well, we're we're coming near nearing the end.
1:02:36
I know a lot of our viewers and I don't know whether you whether
1:02:39
you're OK about me asking this. They say, well, things have been
1:02:43
different with you and GB News. I mean, they've they've asked,
1:02:47
you know, why don't you sort of why aren't you actually there so
1:02:50
much so you can answer this or not and we can move on to the
1:02:53
next question. But our viewers have been
1:02:55
saying, well, what is he? What is going on?
1:02:58
Well, I just, I mean, I said earlier, I, I joined right at
1:03:00
the beginning. Yeah.
1:03:02
I'm, I'm, I'm part, I'm one of the original.
1:03:05
There's not many of us left. Actually.
1:03:06
I think it's myself and maybe Nana Aqui and and and and and
1:03:15
Michelle Dewberry. Michelle Dewberry was in the
1:03:17
original lineup as well. And then, and then there's me.
1:03:20
Yeah. So I mean, I've been, I've been
1:03:21
there all that time. And honestly, I mean, I see this
1:03:23
hand in heart. It's an evolving business.
1:03:25
GB News. And it did for a time.
1:03:28
For a time I was on a Saturday night and I had a you know, I
1:03:30
did a live 2 hours and then I did a live hour and, you know, I
1:03:33
was able to do my monologues, which, you know, garnered quite
1:03:36
a bit of attention at the time. But, you know, nothing, nothing
1:03:39
lasts or lasts forever. And, you know, the world moved
1:03:43
on the, the, the, the, the business as GB News moved on.
1:03:47
All I do know what I do, all I do what I do know for GB News is
1:03:51
only online. You know, the, the, the, it's
1:03:54
called GB News originals. It's the online presence.
1:03:58
And I mean, I just, you know, I record everything here, you
1:04:01
know, and I interview people and I and I do monologues and, and
1:04:04
so on and so on. And that, you know, that my, you
1:04:06
know, my role within the company has changed.
1:04:09
I, I have a perfectly happy relationship with the, with the
1:04:12
people that I talked to at GB News.
1:04:14
And it's just, you know, my, my role there, my relationship
1:04:18
there is, you know, has evolved over time, but it's, it's not a
1:04:21
problem like. Nice to work from home, you
1:04:23
don't have to do all that travelling.
1:04:25
Right. I mean, you know, it's, it's,
1:04:28
it's, it has, you know, it has, it has changed over the years.
1:04:32
And yeah, but you know, I mean, I think, I mean, I suppose GB
1:04:35
News would they would mind me saying that that it has GB News
1:04:39
has, has has established a, a, a, a mode of an identity, I
1:04:43
suppose. Yeah, I think possibly,
1:04:46
probably, you know, when it launched in in 2021, it was a
1:04:49
kind of a who, who are we and what are we doing?
1:04:52
You know, it was a, it was a fledgling thing.
1:04:55
And it has, over time it has, it has found an audience, it has
1:04:58
cultivated an audience. It has a, it has a kind of an
1:05:01
identity. It's got more of an identifiable
1:05:04
identity. And, you know, you know, I'm
1:05:07
not. I'm not, you know, I'm not may
1:05:09
be central to that identity, but I'm still there.
1:05:12
Yeah. And it's still, it still
1:05:14
enables, it still enables me to get content out to an audience
1:05:18
that I would otherwise not have. No, I think, I think it's very
1:05:21
important that that in some ways that you possibly don't align to
1:05:26
that that identity as much as you did in in the beginning
1:05:29
because it has never been a. Great.
1:05:31
I've never, sadly, I've never been much of A joiner.
1:05:34
I'm not much of A, I'm not much of A team player.
1:05:36
I've never been enough, you know, I've never followed a
1:05:39
football team or I've never been a fan.
1:05:41
I've never, I've never, you know, as Oscar Wilde said, you
1:05:45
know, I would, I would never want anything to do with any
1:05:47
club that would accept me as a member wherever I am.
1:05:51
I'm just me. Yeah.
1:05:52
And from the get go with GB News, what GB News offered me at
1:05:56
the time and what I took advantage of was an opportunity
1:05:59
to get information out. Camera pointed at me live both.
1:06:05
You know, that's you know, that's pretty special.
1:06:07
I was talking directly to whoever was watching.
1:06:10
Yeah. You know, and I thought, great,
1:06:12
if if GB News are going to let me do that, I'll do that for GB
1:06:15
News. And now, you know, now I do
1:06:17
stuff in the online world and this I've never, I've never
1:06:20
really been a, you know, I don't fly a flag or hold a scarf above
1:06:24
my head and chant a a company song, No.
1:06:27
I. Just I just, it's always, it
1:06:30
just afforded me an opportunity to get to have my opinion aired.
1:06:35
Yeah. And it still does.
1:06:36
And for the rest of it, what it's doing, you know, whoever
1:06:40
else is presenting, whoever else's opinions are out there,
1:06:42
let's them. That's up to the end.
1:06:45
Fantastic. If, if, if, if, whoever is if
1:06:47
Jacob Rees Mogg is still saying his stuff and Nigel Farage is
1:06:50
saying he's saying his stuff. And Nana Akoway and Tubes,
1:06:53
they're just and, and you know, Ben Leo and the rest of them are
1:06:56
out there saying their stuff. That's them.
1:06:57
Yeah, it's best Turner's still working for GV News.
1:07:01
Yeah, yeah. Bev's out.
1:07:02
She hosts. I think she's, I think she might
1:07:05
be on annual leave at the moment.
1:07:07
I'm not sure, but she hosts now from Washington, DC.
1:07:11
Yes, yes, I say. She's she's, she's out there.
1:07:14
She does. It's a show that it was out
1:07:16
late. She felt, you know, she's in
1:07:18
daytime in DC. Yeah, but it was out late here
1:07:22
and it's like midnight. It, it broadcasts.
1:07:25
But yeah, she's she's there in the kind of the DC office of JV
1:07:29
News. Yeah.
1:07:30
Lying around in Air Force One, apparently.
1:07:32
I don't. Know she's, I believe she has a
1:07:34
couple of trips on Air Force One, yes.
1:07:37
And now we're coming to the kind of, you know, the time really
1:07:40
that we it's you know, it's been lovely talking to you and I
1:07:43
could go on forever. You're so interesting and you're
1:07:46
so you know, you're so wonderfully good at sharing
1:07:49
everything that your shocks goes on.
1:07:51
No, it's always great. So yeah, it I was just gonna say
1:07:56
if if you could leave a message to people that feel powerless.
1:08:00
And there's a lot of people that do right now in the face of, of
1:08:03
what's going on in, in, in the world.
1:08:06
What would it be right now? What would, what would you, I
1:08:09
mean, what, what, what would you say to people that are feeling,
1:08:14
Oh gosh, you know, this is we're not going to win this.
1:08:16
It's awful. You know, how, how do we deal
1:08:18
with all this? What would you say?
1:08:20
No, no pressure. It's all.
1:08:23
It's all a matter of perspective.
1:08:27
You see what you want to see. You know, I can't remember it's,
1:08:32
it's often attributed to Max Planck.
1:08:36
The the line is when you change the way you look at things, the
1:08:41
things you look at change. So if you're aware of the double
1:08:47
slit experiment and so on, particles become waves, waves
1:08:50
become particles depending on whether they're watched or not
1:08:52
watched. But you know, if you change,
1:08:56
when you change the way you look at things, the things you look
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at change. And each of us as an as an
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individual, OK, if you look at someone else with anger and heat
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in your heart, the thinking is that that actually
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physiologically effects that person that you're looking at.
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If you look at the same person with, I don't know, love, the
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effect on them is different. Yeah, even arguably if they
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don't know you're looking at them at all.
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So each one of us, I believe we affect the very fabric of
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reality by being here. The, you know, the universe, the
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entire universe is made different, is made different by
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each one of us being in it. And every action that we take,
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every thought that we manifest changes something.
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It matters. Our absence would matter just as
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our presence does. And so I think, you know,
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feeling powerless, feeling helpless, Well, to some extent,
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that's up to you. Yeah.
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If you change the way you look at something, the something
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you're looking at changes. Let's bear that in mind.
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And so you can't have. You can't have.
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I mean, if you have, if you allow yourself to just have a
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random moment of loathing, which we all do.
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I mean, I'm not claiming any kind of special state is here.
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No, But bear in mind, bear in mind that the very act that
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allowing yourself to do that matters.
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Yeah. It it it it has an effect.
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Yeah, and, and, and you're right, your, your mood can
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change if you go out for a walk, you know, if you could just
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embrace nature, you know, if you're feeling, you know,
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disempowered or, or or, you know, just depressed, even it,
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it you're right, it does, it makes a difference when you when
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you I. Was chatting.
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I was chatting over the weekend with Ahmed Malik.
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You'll know, Ahmed. I know Ahmed.
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Yeah, and I recorded with him and he, he, you know, he
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whatever, he prompted me to say something, which I'll see it
1:11:17
again because I think it matters.
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It's on my mind at the moment. And I, I quite often think, I
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wonder why things are remote. So I'll say again what I said
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there, which is that there was a, there's a mythology around a
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bit of graffiti that was found in a basement during World War
1:11:30
2. And it it's, it's attributed to,
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well, whoever it was some some refugee, someone hiding, maybe a
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group of people, whatever. And scratched into a wall was I
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believe in the sun even when I do not see it.
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I believe in love, even when I do not feel it.
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I believe in God even when he is silent.
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That's brilliant, yeah. You know, so that if pondering
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on, I've been pondering that. I've known that for years and it
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comes and goes from my consciousness.
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It's it's it's in my consciousness at the moment.
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So I keep saying it, I say it to myself, and I'm saying it again
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to you now. Yeah, but.
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It's there. The sun is there, love is there,
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God is there. Yeah, absolutely.
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And it's. Just because you're not seeing
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it, feeling it or or hearing it is that that doesn't mean
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anything, no. No, that's that's, that's a
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really good way to. Do so I'll, I'll leave you with
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one final thought. You've got to go in there.
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There's a Kabbalistic saying from the Kabbalah.
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Whatever you think of that. I mean, it's just another
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resource of information. Yeah.
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Every every bird, every flower, every stone that you have seen
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will turn to dust and pass away, but that you have seen them will
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not pass away. Yeah, no that.
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And that matters. Yeah, yeah.
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No, your being here. Your experiences are forever.
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Yeah, thank you. Well, Neil Oliver, thanks so
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much for joining me today. You've been a really fabulous
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guest and I thank you very much. Well, thanks for having me,
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Sandy. I'll talk to you anytime.
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It's a pleasure.