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Fear, Shame and Embarrassment with Matt von Boecklin · The Trauma Therapist

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Trauma Therapists podcast. My name is Gaming Person.
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  Speaker 1: So five four, three, two and one, our folks, welcome
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  Speaker 1: back to the podcast. Super excited to happen. My guest today, Matt.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Beckln Matt welcome.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. It's a pleasure to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Allur Matt. Here we go. So. Matt is the founder
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  Speaker 1: of Quitkit, a science backed recovery tool created from his
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  Speaker 1: own lived experience with kreatim addiction. After years of struggling
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  Speaker 1: with creative abuse, intensified by frequent relications and the mental
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  Speaker 1: toll that came with them, Matt began looking for practical
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  Speaker 1: physiological support for the earliest and hardest phase of quitting.
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  Speaker 1: Drawing them on his background and chemical engineering, he developed Quitkit,
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  Speaker 1: a three week supply of targeted nutrients designed to ease
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  Speaker 1: withdrawal symptoms and support dopamine regulation. All right, Matt, before
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  Speaker 1: we get going, Before I ask you what kretom is,
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  Speaker 1: because I know I don't know, and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people are probably wondering. Before we do that, share with
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  Speaker 1: the listeners where you're from originally and where you are currently,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll dive in.
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  Speaker 3: So I was born and raised in Seattle, you know,
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  Speaker 3: shout out, and now I'm in Charlotte, North Carolina.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, awesome, all right, So cretim how do you spell it?
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  Speaker 1: What is it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Kreatum is kr TM. It's been around for a long
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  Speaker 3: time with humanity. It originates from the kreatum tree in
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  Speaker 3: Southeast Asia, and people there have used it for medicinal
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  Speaker 3: properties such as slight pain relief and an energy boost
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  Speaker 3: for centuries. But it wasn't until recently when it was
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  Speaker 3: brought to the West that creative manufacturers and proprietors realized
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  Speaker 3: they could synthesize the psychoactive ingredients that provided that mild
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  Speaker 3: pain relief and energy boost.
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  Speaker 2: And hyper concentrate them.
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  Speaker 3: These are alkaloids that bind to opioid receptors, and that's
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  Speaker 3: how in diffuse amounts you got the mild pain relief
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  Speaker 3: and energy boost, but in hyper concentrated, synthesized amounts, it
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  Speaker 3: gets you extremely high, much like a typical opioid wood,
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  Speaker 3: much like a pharmaceutical wood, because these alkaloids bind opioid
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  Speaker 3: receptors in the brain. And the problem is it's such
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  Speaker 3: a new phenomenon and growing epidemic in the United States
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  Speaker 3: that it's not regulated. It's a dietary supplement. You can
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  Speaker 3: get it at gas stations, vape shops, online, maybe a
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  Speaker 3: boutique apothecary. And there's no public awareness campaign to let
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  Speaker 3: people know just how how much of a life ruiner
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  Speaker 3: it can be.
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  Speaker 1: How could I I'm like surprised, I never heard of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it just got banned in Ohio.
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  Speaker 3: The stronger form seven OH is banned in Florida, It's
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  Speaker 3: banned in Louisiana, and more bands are likely to come
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  Speaker 3: across the country.
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  Speaker 1: So how and when did you start using this? How
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  Speaker 1: did you come across this?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is.
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  Speaker 3: The real tragedy for me is I wasn't drinking, I
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  Speaker 3: wasn't drugging.
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  Speaker 2: I was living in the.
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  Speaker 3: Bay Area and this was a few years ago, and
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  Speaker 3: all I wanted to do was just have an a
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  Speaker 3: nice night. I was gonna take some CBD. So I
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  Speaker 3: go into a corner store looking for CBD, and the
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  Speaker 3: clerk there says, well, people who like CBD tend to
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  Speaker 3: like this, and he.
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  Speaker 2: Gives me this blue bottle.
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  Speaker 3: I had no idea what I was getting into. I
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  Speaker 3: had no idea that it was packed with kretim. It
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  Speaker 3: just said kava on it. But I took it and
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  Speaker 3: I felt amazing. I've struggled with depression my whole life,
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  Speaker 3: social anxiety and all that, and I've leaned on substances
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  Speaker 3: in the past and got free of them. But this
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  Speaker 3: just seemed like, oh well, it's not a prescription and
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  Speaker 3: it's not a controlled substance. This is my new get
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  Speaker 3: out of jail free card from my mental anguish. And
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  Speaker 3: that transpired into a year long addiction to stronger and
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  Speaker 3: stronger forms of it.
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  Speaker 1: WHOA, yeah, okay, So give us a little background here.
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  Speaker 1: How does this unfold for you? You have that veric first experience,
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  Speaker 1: you're feeling amazing. What happens? How? How do you? How
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  Speaker 1: does the addiction grow?
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  Speaker 3: I think it starts, like most addictions, when you encounter
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  Speaker 3: a new substance that seems to solve a problem for you.
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  Speaker 3: You're no longer I mean, you're not immediately on a
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  Speaker 3: path of no control. You are on a path of
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  Speaker 3: curiosity and so for people like me who were sober,
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  Speaker 3: like no drinking, no drugging, just CBD.
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  Speaker 2: Every now and then, this can seem like a really cool.
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  Speaker 3: Option because you think it's just a supplement, and then
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  Speaker 3: around other people who are drinking and partying, you now
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  Speaker 3: have some sort of social lubricant. And that's that's how
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  Speaker 3: it really started. Like, oh, okay, we're gonna go see
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  Speaker 3: some friends. I'll make sure to bring some of this
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  Speaker 3: with me and I'll just drink some while they're drinking
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  Speaker 3: their whiskey and their beerd And then that's how it starts, right,
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  Speaker 3: It just becomes a problem.
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  Speaker 2: Solver until you know, I'll never forget. I'll never forget.
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  Speaker 3: One day, I'm just laying on the couch as the Sunday,
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  Speaker 3: I'm just reading a book like there's nothing remarkable about this,
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  Speaker 3: and I think I should get some kratum, you know,
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  Speaker 3: that would make this better.
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  Speaker 2: And then immediately my brain's like, no, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: this is you're just reading a book. You don't need
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  Speaker 2: something for this.
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  Speaker 1: How long had you been doing it by this time
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  Speaker 1: at that point?
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  Speaker 3: At that point a few months, and oh wow, you
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  Speaker 3: know it goes from one or two bottles a week
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  Speaker 3: to one or two bottles a day. You know, once
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  Speaker 3: I'm at that point where I feel like I need
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  Speaker 3: to get up off the couch, put my book down,
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  Speaker 3: get in the car, go to the corner store, keep
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  Speaker 3: it a secret from my girlfriend, and go buy some.
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  Speaker 3: And this stuff isn't cheap. People are spending up to
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  Speaker 3: one hundred dollars a day on this stuff, depending on
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  Speaker 3: how much they're taking. But and then you get it,
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  Speaker 3: and you get high for twenty minutes, and then you
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  Speaker 3: feel terrible because that's how opioids work. Yes, this is
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  Speaker 3: an alkaloid, but it works on the opioid receptors, and
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  Speaker 3: you go way below your baseline dopamine after you come down,
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  Speaker 3: so you need more. That's how it really spirals, like
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  Speaker 3: you get caught in this web where you think you're
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  Speaker 3: solving a problem and then you're just chasing the dragon
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  Speaker 3: after that.
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  Speaker 1: So you had mentioned depression, social anxiety. At what level
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  Speaker 1: were these for you before you started using kretom.
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  Speaker 3: So the depression started right when I became i'd say,
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  Speaker 3: like eighteen, legal adult.
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  Speaker 2: And that's just coincidence. But I've always felt like a
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  Speaker 2: round peg in a square hole in this world. I
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  Speaker 2: always just want things.
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  Speaker 3: That aren't normal, and I want so much adventure in
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  Speaker 3: my life. But i've you know, you're told you should
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  Speaker 3: get a good job, get a good house, start a family,
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  Speaker 3: settle down, get to the middle, and get a cubicle.
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  Speaker 3: And it's just like that was so antithetical to who
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  Speaker 3: I am. Yeah, yeah, I remember conversations with my mom like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't see what your problem with cubicles is.
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  Speaker 2: You must have read Dilbert when you were a kid.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, maybe I did, but maybe all all
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  Speaker 3: my meaning is out there and where I am and
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  Speaker 3: the people I'm with, I don't find it. And so
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  Speaker 3: substances were huge in helping me forget about that. You know,
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  Speaker 3: it also caused me a great deal of pain. I
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  Speaker 3: was addicted to tramadol, alcohol, cigarettes.
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  Speaker 2: It was all just an attention before.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is before I found my way to a
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  Speaker 3: new substance.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so we're okay. So with the depression and the anxiety,
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  Speaker 1: is this something that you had sought help for aside
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  Speaker 1: therapy and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: There were a few times when I went to a
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  Speaker 3: GP and I said, look, I'm dealing with this stuff
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  Speaker 3: and I have suicidal thoughts. I am up for therapy,
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  Speaker 3: I'm up for antipe de pressence, and I would go
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  Speaker 3: through periods where I would be on them, periods where
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  Speaker 3: I would be in therapy. It never really helped, and
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  Speaker 3: the therapy never really clicked with me.
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  Speaker 2: So I just gave up on finding relief in that way, which.
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  Speaker 1: Is unfortunately the story of a lot of people with
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  Speaker 1: not being able to find adequate therapy, therapy that clicks
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  Speaker 1: for them. So with the KRATO, at what point did
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  Speaker 1: you realize something was a miss, something was wrong, something
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  Speaker 1: was this was getting out of hand.
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  Speaker 3: I realized something was a miss when I started. When
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  Speaker 3: you're in addiction, you start to make choices that negatively
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  Speaker 3: impact your regular activities. You start you stop doing things
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  Speaker 3: that are normal for you at the detriment to how
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  Speaker 3: they would normally help you.
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  Speaker 2: So, for example, chemical.
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  Speaker 3: Engineer, we'd have these these meetings every morning, and the
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  Speaker 3: company that I worked for, they sucked. They were terrible
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  Speaker 3: meetings because it was always this war between the people
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  Speaker 3: building the reactors and the people designing the reactors.
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  Speaker 2: I was on the design side.
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  Speaker 3: And they were always super stressful, and they started at
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  Speaker 3: eight thirty and so it's like every morning, I went
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  Speaker 3: to work. I don't want to go to this meeting,
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  Speaker 3: and they always they always end up making me feel bad.
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  Speaker 3: And so what I did was I started at nine
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  Speaker 3: am when the meeting ended, going to the corner store
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  Speaker 3: nearby and picking up some Kratim, And you know, people
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  Speaker 3: just assumed I was on calls. And so I left work,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and went and I bought this stuff, spending
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  Speaker 3: fifty bucks, and then I brought it to work with
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  Speaker 3: me and I drank it through throughout the day to
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  Speaker 3: make myself feel better. And if that's not a dead
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  Speaker 3: giveaway that you get a problem.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what is.
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  Speaker 1: Now. This is a drink that they're selling at a
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  Speaker 1: corner store. Is it like a one of those Red
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  Speaker 1: Bull type drinks and packaged like that?
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  Speaker 3: Some are Some actually have been folded into energy drinks
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  Speaker 3: as some sort of like added boost. Of course people
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  Speaker 3: don't know what they're getting into. But traditionally creat them
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  Speaker 3: is a powder. It's just powdered up to create them
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  Speaker 3: leaf and it's been that way for a long time
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  Speaker 3: in the West as well. But for the hyper concentrated
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  Speaker 3: stuff that'll get you high, like what I was addicted to.
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  Speaker 2: Yes they're drinks.
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  Speaker 3: They're small drinks, little blue bottles for the ones that
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  Speaker 3: I won't name the brand just in case, but there's
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  Speaker 3: small bottles, bigger bottles's whatever, there's Go to a vape.
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  Speaker 2: Shop they'll have an entire section for this.
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  Speaker 3: And then there's a far more potent version of kretom
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  Speaker 3: called seven hydroxymetrogeny or seven o's. This is thirteen times
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  Speaker 3: more potent than morphine. It's a full ovoid agonist even
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  Speaker 3: though it's an alkaloid, and it's just being sold.
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  Speaker 2: With an ID.
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  Speaker 1: Well. So, and you're a chemical engineer, so you're working
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  Speaker 1: at this during this time. Yeah, and you're what type
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  Speaker 1: of job did you have?
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  Speaker 3: Project engineering? Okay, I can explain what that would be,
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  Speaker 3: but yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what does that mean?
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  Speaker 3: What is it?
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  Speaker 1: First of all, what is a chemical engineer? What is that?
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  Speaker 1: What's your What are you studying? What are you doing?
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  Speaker 3: You when you get your engineering degree in chemical engineering,
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  Speaker 3: you are studying how to turn inputs into outputs. So
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  Speaker 3: you put chemicals into a system, they react in some
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  Speaker 3: way with whatever you build, and then on the other
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  Speaker 3: side of that, you have the product that you want
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  Speaker 3: and probably some byproducts. And I was working at a
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  Speaker 3: lithium company that would process lithium rich Brian and then
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  Speaker 3: exchange some ions and come out with battery grade lithium
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  Speaker 3: and with a like a negligible change in pH so
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  Speaker 3: that it wasn't harmful to put back into the earth.
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  Speaker 1: Jesus.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, oh my god, reactors. It's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, so you're bringing this stuff to work. When
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  Speaker 1: does push come to shop? When when do things collapse?
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm guessing something gave You're in a relationship.
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  Speaker 3: Uh well, yeah, there's no addict story where the partner
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  Speaker 3: doesn't find out. So of course my girlfriend found out,
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  Speaker 3: and then I had to explain what it was, and
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  Speaker 3: that was just brutally embarrassing. She didn't know what it was,
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  Speaker 3: and I, you know, of course, like walked around.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, it's just something that I use for my.
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  Speaker 3: Mood, and then I left a bottle in the car
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  Speaker 3: by the island between the seats. Again, she got really
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  Speaker 3: mad because she had done a research at this point.
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  Speaker 3: But look, man, the push comes to shove when every
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  Speaker 3: night you are promising yourself you're never gonna do this again.
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  Speaker 3: Every morning you wake up with motivation and then two
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  Speaker 3: hours later you're making up an excuse to go get
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  Speaker 3: coffee so that you can go to the vape shop
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  Speaker 3: and get your days supply.
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  Speaker 2: And then you groundhog that.
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  Speaker 3: You just go again and again and you feel like
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  Speaker 3: you can't escape it, and then life starts to turn
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  Speaker 3: into a nightmare. And when life feels like that, you
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  Speaker 3: start to think about not being alive anymore.
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  Speaker 1: And that.
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  Speaker 2: Is when you know push comes to shove. So what happened,
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  Speaker 2: quick kit happened?
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  Speaker 3: I said, look, man, I'm too embarrassed to go to rehab,
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  Speaker 3: too embarrassed to go to a doctor. I hate myself,
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  Speaker 3: I hate what I'm doing. I'm a chemical engineer. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: I can invent my way out of this, because at
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  Speaker 3: this point I really wanted to quit. But the withdrawals
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  Speaker 3: from this stuff, we're just so brutal, crushing, depression, anxiety,
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  Speaker 3: can't sleep, you know, cravings, and so I just started
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  Speaker 3: digging into research and then you know, National Institutes of
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  Speaker 3: Health pub med, there's published research out there. My criteria
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  Speaker 3: was it had to be available without a prescription, it
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  Speaker 3: had to be simple, and I had to be able
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  Speaker 3: to take it at home.
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  Speaker 2: And there is a ton there's a voluminous amount of research.
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  Speaker 3: Anybody right now can go read this on non prescription
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  Speaker 3: compounds that can mitigate the effects of opioid use disorder
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  Speaker 3: withdrawal symptoms. And so I just took what I found there,
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  Speaker 3: put together a supplement regimen morning afternoon and nighttime, because
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  Speaker 3: the withdrawals are different morning afternoon and nighttime. And then
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  Speaker 3: I took the jump and I ended my addiction.
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  Speaker 1: I quit. Matt, hold on, you're making this sound really easy.
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  Speaker 1: Well hold on, hold on, who are you talking to
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  Speaker 1: about this? At this time? There are you saying no one?
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  Speaker 1: You're talking to anyone? But at some point you said
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  Speaker 1: you said you were too embarrassed to get help, to
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  Speaker 1: embarrass to talk to a doctor. And did you did
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  Speaker 1: you stop? Did you gradually stop?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 3: I do recommend that if people are on this stuff,
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  Speaker 3: they taper down. I think that's the smarter move. But
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  Speaker 3: in my experience quitting now four drugs, I would reach
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  Speaker 3: a point where it's like, Matt, are.
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  Speaker 2: You ready to quit? Yes? How quit? Kit was the
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  Speaker 2: how I was ready?
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  Speaker 1: Wow? So okay, first of all, I just want to
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  Speaker 1: thank you for sharing this your experience.
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  Speaker 2: You're welcome.
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  Speaker 1: It's no, it's it's it's amazing for you to come
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  Speaker 1: on here and share your story what you went through,
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  Speaker 1: and how the hell do you turn this around? You're like,
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  Speaker 1: all right, I'm going to start doing some research. I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to start So you basically want to create your
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  Speaker 1: own treatment protocol.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good way to put it.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and you didn't want to go get help or
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  Speaker 1: other help.
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  Speaker 3: I should say I probably could have benefited from it.
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  Speaker 3: I'll be the first to say that.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not judging you. I'm just trying to walk
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  Speaker 1: through how what your.
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  Speaker 2: Decision process was for me.
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  Speaker 3: You call it bullheadedness or whatever, or fear most likely,
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  Speaker 3: and embarrassment and shame.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's what it.
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  Speaker 3: Was for some reason, Like you get in these situations
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  Speaker 3: with addictions, you convince yourself that if you get treatment
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  Speaker 3: or traditional routes of medically assistant treatment, you're just, oh,
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  Speaker 3: you're so shame, there's something that's wrong with you.
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  Speaker 2: You should just continue to go through the addiction.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, I was one of those people, absolutely, But
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  Speaker 3: that's what drove me to do the research.
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  Speaker 1: So how did so you started doing some research and
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  Speaker 1: what did you start to learn?
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  Speaker 3: This is what's really fascinating about this. Okay, so I'll
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  Speaker 3: talk about opioid withdrawals because that's what I'm most familiar with.
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  Speaker 3: When you go through withdrawal from opioids, you've been chronically
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  Speaker 3: stimulating your opioid receptor receptors excuse me artificially, which means
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  Speaker 3: your body has adapted to having all of the chemical
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  Speaker 3: signaling that's associated with opioid receptor stimulation artificially. The brain
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  Speaker 3: doesn't do it for itself, it's waiting for something else
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  Speaker 3: to do it for it. So key neurotransmitter is that
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  Speaker 3: stabilize your mood and connect you to the pleasures in
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  Speaker 3: the world, like dopamine and serotonin.
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  Speaker 2: Europenephyrin and epinephrine.
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  Speaker 3: Simply don't get released or produced at normal levels until
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  Speaker 3: the drug is present. That's why withdrawals are so brutal,
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  Speaker 3: and everybody has their own version of the nightmare that
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  Speaker 3: is withdraws. But when the chemistry is off in your head,
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  Speaker 3: you simply don't exist normally in the world, and that's
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  Speaker 3: why it's so hard to quit. The studies that I've
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  Speaker 3: found there, there's a direct precursor, for example, to dopamine
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  Speaker 3: that you can get right now on Amazon.
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  Speaker 2: It's called leve doopa.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: It's from a plant called mcunaprurians and in the seed
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  Speaker 3: of that plant, naturally occurring el dopa is there and
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: that will re up your supply of dopamine, so that
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  Speaker 3: when you're not taking the opioid, you have more dopamine
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  Speaker 3: to get up, get about your day and start to
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: feel like a person again. Then there's the serotonin, which
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: this is fascinating. Okay, so are you familiar with how
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: people get tired after the turkey on Thanksgiving? Right l
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: Trip to fan, which is the amino acid that makes
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: you tie, is the basis for serotonin. Trip to fan
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: becomes serotonin. You get ninety percent of your serotonin from
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: the food that you eat, and so if you get
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: trip to fan in your system, which is in the
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: quick kit, it becomes serotonin. But then if you have
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: an excess of serotonin or it's nighttime, your body transmutes
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: that into melatonin, which is your sleepway hormone which puts
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  Speaker 3: you to sleep. So there are two things right there,
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: trip to fan and at levadopa that anybody can get
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: right now at a supplement store that directly become dopamine
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: and serotonin, which helps stabilize your mood, which is incredibly
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: important when you're in withdrawals. Those are just two of
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: the things that I found.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: So when you what were you thinking when you were
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: starting to put this together. Were you thinking, I'm going
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: to create a business quick kit or I'm going to
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: get my stuff together help myself? Oh?
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  Speaker 3: Man, I had no intention of anybody else ever trying
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  Speaker 3: this this seriously.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I took this stuff.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: It worked for me, and I wrestled for weeks about
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: whether or not I should even broach this to another
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: person suffering from creative addiction.
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  Speaker 1: And then hold on, how did it? What did you do?
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: What did you start taking and how did it start
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: working for you?
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: I got twelve different supplements, so I only named two,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: but I got twelve, and I put I knew what
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: withdrawals were going to come in the morning and in
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: the afternoon, in the nighttime, So I said, I know
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: that from the studies, these compounds fight those withdraws, these kinds.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So I just matched.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: I connected the dots and that's why it works because
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: it was extremely targeted and that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that was just for me to have my
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: life back.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: I had no intention of making quick kid into an organization.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: So what Obviously it helped you, it changed What did
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: you start to experience.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: You don't have to answer, but have you ever struggled
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: with addiction?
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: No?
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: No, hmm, okay, good, that's awesome.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Good.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it sucks.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: But once you're done, once you get into recovery and
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: you're excited to be in recovery and the withdrawals aren't
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: just crushing you into the pavement, life opens up. Man.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: All of the things that you thought were no longer pleasurable,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: you know, all the sleep that you thought you were
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: no longer entitled to visit you and you regain a
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: sense of connection with the good things in the world.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: And you know, by day three, day four, I had
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: forgotten that I was quitting a drug. Like it was
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: just that magical to be able to come back to
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: reality like I had been when I first found creative,
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: you know, like what I had been doing before this
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: entered my life.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Between when you first took Credim to the time you're
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: talking about now, how long of a timeframe.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Was at just under a year?
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Just under a year. So, first of all, I mean, Jesus,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: how amazing and impressive it is to what you did
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: thank you, I mean, my god. So you started taking
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: these substances, life started changing for you. Were you still
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: working at this time?
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: I was in the midst of starting my own business,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: a completely different business.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: So I wasn't working, but it was a self.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Employment okay, okay? And how did First of all, let
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: me just remind everyone. Speaking with Matt von Becklan, the
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: founder of quick Kit, let's talk about quick kit. How
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: did it come about? When did you say? How did
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: you say, all right, shit, I'm gonna start doing this
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: to help other people.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I had been connected to a subreddit. You know.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Reddit is where a lot of the addicts in this
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: world go to find information and connect with others. I
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: had been connected to the Quitting Creative subreddit, trying to
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: offer people encouragement because I had.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Been able to quit.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: And I posted fully everything that I was taking and
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: chronically in my experience daily while I was quitting, and
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: people were interested in what I built. So I had
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: all these extra self like, I had bought jars of
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: this stuff, right, So I had all these extra supplements
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: and I started messaging them.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Like, look, man, I'll just send you what I took.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: And you know, some of them bit and so I
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: packaged these supplements in the morning, afternoon, and nighttime pouches.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: I heat sealed them, labeled them.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: I was taking so much pride in this because I
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: wanted to help people, and all of the people that
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: I maintained contact with and tried it said that it
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: had helped them. And then, and this is the turning point,
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: so to speak, I got an if I did on
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: the Creative Sobriety podcast to talk about my experience, and
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: I offered fifty free quick kits to anybody who wanted
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: to try them, and I just said, look, it works
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: for me, maybe it'll work for everybody else who tries it.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: And the response was so overwhelmingly positive that there was
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: no longer any question in my mind that this is.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: What I would be doing.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Wow, now, does this did you just have to go
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: through like FDA or anything like that.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: No, since they are dietary supplements, there's no FDA clearance
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: involved in that sector.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, Now, what is the difference between what you've done,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: what you've created, and other opiate withdrawal opioid withdrawal processes treatments.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: So medically assisted treatment as it's called, is when you
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: are trying to break your addiction to opioids by taking
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: a lesser form of opioids. Heroin addicts often are are
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: sent to methadone clinics. Methadone is a strong it's a
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: full opioid agonist, just like heroin, but it's in a
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: controlled environment. Suboxone, which is probably the most popular prescription
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: for opioid harm reduction, is a partial opioid agonist.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: So there's a ceiling. Now how high you can get
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: with it?
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: And you're not supposed to get high with it, but
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: that's its own beast to try to get off of.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Quit Kit is opioid free, and that is what makes it.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's the first thing that.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Makes it different. Who is quick Kit for?
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Quick Kit is for anybody who is ready to quit?
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Number one?
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Who ready to quit? What?
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Well, cretum seven, hydroxies and syboxone, although we've seen people
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: have success with even fentanyl.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, And is it for people? Is it for people?
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Have a certain age? Can anyone use this?
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: No?
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: How long does it take? What do they do? They
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: go to your website and what are they going to get?
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah? No one under eighteen should be taking this. No
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: one trying in a breastfeeding. But if you come to
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: the website, we'll have a full description of all of
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: the ingredients, what they do, how they work, and lists
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: of the sources that I read when I was building this,
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: so you can look into the medical literature on this
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: and then you know quick It comes with the twenty
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: one day supply, three different doses, morning, afternoon, and nighttime,
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: and it will work on day one. You know, when
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: you take this, it's going to start replacing those neurotransmitters
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: and stabilizing you. I The whole science of it could
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: fill a long episode, but the most important thing here
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: is if anybody is interested in it, it's one.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Money back, guaranteed, free shipping.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: I don't believe that you should be financially liable for
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: taking a chance on something if it doesn't work for you,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: and if it doesn't, I'll be very sad.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: But just know that even though quick hit it's a business.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: I am absolutely not here to do anything but try
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: to help people get back to the life they deserve.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: What is this process, this whole experience, How has it
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: impacted you as a person, as a human, as a
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: human who's struggled with addiction, who struggled with mental health challenges.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: How has this impacted you.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: It's given a lot of meaning to my life, and
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: it's given me a lot of purpose. And the best
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: part of quitkit is when I'm able to talk to
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: somebody who is trying to get clean or who has
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: used quitkit to get clean, because I know what it's
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: like and you're not alone out there. I'll say that
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: you're absolutely not alone.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Or Matt. Good place to stop there. Let our listeners
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: know how they can learn more about quickkit, how they
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: can reach you. What's the best way.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Sure, please visit try quitkit dot com. That's try quitkit
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: dot com, or.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: You can send me an email directly at info at
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: try quitkit dot com.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, we'll help. All that linked up here at the
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: show notes page at the Trauma Therapist podcast dot com. Matt,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: appreciate you many appreciate you mean so inspiring Jesus really really,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is what this podcast is about. It's
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: like amazing what you did. Who you are. Yes, great
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: to meet you. Thank you. We'll be in touch