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Brigitte Morton: Political Commentator on the Darleen Tana investigation and the Green's response · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: Party review in to Darlne Tana has been released and
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  Speaker 1: not publicly. So that was a little teas for you,
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  Speaker 1: wasn't it. Here? You all worth thinking that I was
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  Speaker 1: going to give you all the dirty details, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't have any because the report is still behind closed doors.
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  Speaker 1: Tana has resigned as a member of the party and
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  Speaker 1: the Greens leaders have asked her to resign as an MP.
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  Speaker 1: But what are the chances of that actually happening? Johnny
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  Speaker 1: men Now's political commentator and former ministerial advisor for the
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  Speaker 1: National Party Morton Bridget Good.
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  Speaker 2: Morning, Good morning.
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  Speaker 1: What happens here? So she's quit the party, that's okay.
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  Speaker 1: The Greens are done with her, but she's not planning
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  Speaker 1: to stick around.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Ultimately she has all the cards in her hands.
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  Speaker 2: Unless you know, the Greens aside to do a backflip
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  Speaker 2: on the walker jumping legislation and actually invoke that legislation,
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  Speaker 2: she can just sit there basically as long as she wants.
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  Speaker 1: And this is because the Greens, I mean, they spent
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  Speaker 1: about the good part of twenty years opposing walker jumping,
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  Speaker 1: so for them to go and walk a jump her
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  Speaker 1: would be it would be pretty it would be pretty rough. Politically,
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they did ultimately vote to get it
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  Speaker 2: in term for it to become legislation under the Labor
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  Speaker 2: Greens New Zealand First government because it was a bottom
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  Speaker 2: line for New Zealand First, so they are responsible for
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  Speaker 2: it being on the books at least in part. But
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  Speaker 2: ultimately they've had chances to use it previously obviously last
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  Speaker 2: year was Elizabeth Kitty Kitty, and they chose not to
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  Speaker 2: because their Green membership is very anti using the walker
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  Speaker 2: jumping legislation.
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  Speaker 1: Which is weird because they don't why they do now
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  Speaker 1: have constituency MPs, but it seems an obvious one to
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  Speaker 1: use on a list MP, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Particularly a list MP who hasn't been in
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  Speaker 2: Parliament for half of the time that they've been elected
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  Speaker 2: for doesn't represent a constituency and there's no evidence that
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  Speaker 2: she is undertaking any constituency work. So ultimately, what is
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  Speaker 2: she being paid for, Particularly when the Greens could have
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  Speaker 2: someone in there that is advocating on Green's issues.
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  Speaker 1: Why are the Green so obsessed with that, with that
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  Speaker 1: particular rocker jumping bill, Why do they not, like I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I know you mentioned that that they had to swallow
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  Speaker 1: the dead rat as James Shaw put it, and pass it.
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  Speaker 1: But what exactly don't they like about it?
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  Speaker 2: They believe it's undemocratic and then allows for parties to
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  Speaker 2: have a hold over the MP. So it wouldn't allow
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  Speaker 2: an MP perhaps to cross the floor. It would maybe
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  Speaker 2: make the parties much more of a dictatorship. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you think about how the Greens operate operates. They've got
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  Speaker 2: co leadership. They're very much and taking votes and feedback
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  Speaker 2: from their membership, as opposed to say, more hierarchical parties
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  Speaker 2: like Labor National or you see at first.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost a vote against or against the faith and
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  Speaker 1: their leadership, the leadership with their party, because if their
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  Speaker 1: party was you know, was following a good process and
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  Speaker 1: adjust process, et cetera, then you wouldn't really care what
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  Speaker 1: they did because you know, at least natural some form
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  Speaker 1: of natural justice would have happened or occurred.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but in the seventh Darling Tanna has said absolutely
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  Speaker 2: natural justice hasn't occurred. She doesn't agree with the findings
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  Speaker 2: of the report all the way. That's Wallbrook characterized them,
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  Speaker 2: as she says in the press conference yesterday. So she
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  Speaker 2: would say that natural justice hasn't been followed. Therefore she
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  Speaker 2: has been pushed out.
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  Speaker 1: Just before we go, what is natural justice? It's one
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  Speaker 1: of those Is it just one of those buzzwords now
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  Speaker 1: that we all say, you know, I haven't had my
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  Speaker 1: natural justice? What is that like? Does that going to
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  Speaker 1: court and sitting in front of a jury or what
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  Speaker 1: do they mean?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's often used as a bit of a buzzword,
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  Speaker 2: but it does mean that people have the ability to
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  Speaker 2: be have their views represented, have the belief, have their say,
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  Speaker 2: have that play out, have the rules known to everyone,
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  Speaker 2: have a clear set of rules so that everyone knows
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  Speaker 2: what they're playing by. So you can see in the circumstance,
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  Speaker 2: Darlinge may argue that she hasn't had natural justice because
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  Speaker 2: perhaps she hadn't any control over that investigation or understanding
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  Speaker 2: what was happening in that investigation.
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  Speaker 1: Ridget, thanks very much for your time this morning. Really
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  Speaker 1: appreciate it. Bridget Morton with US political commentator and former
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