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Talks to Mark Cockram about his choice of The Horns of Nimon (2/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to a hamster with a blunt penknife, a doctor who
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  commentary podcast, I'm Mark and with me, is the very handsome.
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  Joe Ford very handsome. Yeah.
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  Like it and we're back to talk about the horns of nighttime on.
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  Okay. Love handsome only recently
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  revealed at the end of episode 1.
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  Hmm. What do you reckon to the nylons
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  plan? Then to prey on the gullibility
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  of this militaristic race, and pretend that there's just one of
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  them? yeah, it's it does sound quite a
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  lot like, a particular political party from our part of the
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  world. But I won't.
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  Let's not go too far down that road like a like a bunch of
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  Intergalactic, Locus, that sucking communities drawing, and
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  moving on to the next one. Yeah, it's so nature, isn't it?
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  That's, that's what they have to do.
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  I think it's I think it's very clear.
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  What is the notion that they've gone from planet to planet like
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  a plague of locusts step? They take all their take all the
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  energy from the planet and then once it's all used up, they
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  explode it. And then on to the next one, we
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  would never fucking I would weigh in some Italian rice of
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  God. Not person came here and said to
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  government going to give you all this technology.
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  The best power in the cosmos, Yeah, we're screwed.
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  Where are we are a race of grabbing a carrot dangling on
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  that way. I'll know guy in there.
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  Please yourself, put it away. Come on, Mike, come on.
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  Well we've got three episodes to go.
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  We better kick in to episode 2. We had would you like me to
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  count as in? Yeah.
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  Go on in five. Four, three, two, one, And off
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  we go. The hell did you think then?
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  When the next season started and it was very glitzy 80s
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  Starscape? A, it was yeah it was a real
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  Smacker. The face flower God.
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  What's this? It's like and it was incredibly
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  exciting that. Wow.
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  This is so new. It's so 1980 because obviously
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  it was a big thing to go as a kid to go from one decade into
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  the next. I remember saying to my parents
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  house. Oh, it's Nick.
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  You're going to be 1970, 10 know, it's amazing.
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  I love kids. So yeah, so yeah, it's this new
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  shiny glitzy thing with Electro music and so this is obviously
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  another thing with this story is it was used to test bed for
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  having the, the workshop come in and do the music.
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  This is Dudley's, final story for Doctor Who so many lasts in
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  this particular story. It's a shame, we didn't get to
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  go out and shoulder because I think he would have done, so I
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  really impressive likely to be see death.
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  Yeah, yeah. That Marquez score on.
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  It's really good, isn't it? I love it.
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  Yeah. But I don't think the easiest.
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  I don't think that we ever really gave terrible music, but
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  it's not as most memorable. Score this.
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  No, no. But there's something nostalgic
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  about those Dudley scores, because it just, it takes you
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  back to that time again. I'm just really grateful, he's
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  very dramatically started. So in his horns in the last
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  episode, you know, when you've got those shots looking up at
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  the 91, it's like that fabulous. You love it.
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  When Dudley blows his horn honks.
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  My favorite thing in the world first prize, but I deserve
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  canine. I did do a pair of the Mask how
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  much with you have a week and the soundtracks of that.
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  Like, it's not that he lost anything but he isn't quite as
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  good. Hmm.
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  Oh, we're back to the wobbly spaceship again, or this all
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  doing what they do on scholarship, go start right.
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  They just shake the camera and Doctor Who they showed us there.
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  Yeah, it's that. Rickety, you can have stage good
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  though because that's, you know, you can't have people complain
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  about wobbly sets because they're wobbling on purpose.
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  Well that's what would happen isn't it when you are facing
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  black hole buffeting? The face God Allah and she's
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  giving him absolute daggers. They're leaving the tallest
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  looks a bit dirty, those roundels?
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  Yeah, it's looking a bit. Oh, what's this with the Tardis
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  crashes in the rice cooker, but again as a concept that's yes
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  yeah. This this must be Tom Baker as
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  well when he's lying on the ground, then canines probe
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  ahead. It has to be.
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  Do you think he needed rain in at this point?
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  As I mean, he's such a force of nature, isn't he?
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  And I thing. Is anyone coming in?
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  He's been in the park for so long.
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  This is his 66 year now. Hmm.
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  Yeah. Anyone coming in, who's new to
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  the show, then that, how would you tell someone who knows the
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  show inside out? He knows all the shots.
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  He knows how the story beats should go.
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  He knows what the doctor would do.
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  And he's obviously actors tend to have egos and he's probably
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  got the biggest ego, the look. So yeah, it's a real to real
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  job. Yeah, the office to Charisma it
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  brings you know that Barry Letts saying of yeah I want the
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  regulars to be so charismatic that even if what's going on is
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  boring, you still want to watch the show?
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  Yeah. Got that in Spades.
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  Yeah, I mean to be fair, he was having to wear with Jon Pertwee,
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  so Star jump. Oh eh oh I know I'm not the
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  biggest fan of Big Bird. I have to say he's not I mean
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  even even the ones I'm not so keen on.
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  I still you know you love them but you say you love them all
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  but some more than others. Crowding is earning his money.
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  Here, you really is, its is giving every ounce of his acting
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  abilities. They're probably more than he
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  should have. But, you know, you know, the 60
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  pale in this doesn't he? That makeup thing or is it?
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  There's no ways. It goes like a corpse.
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  Yeah, it's Grim, isn't it? Especially for just turned the
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  TV on now, right? You've got holding it.
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  The sort of fluttering like a bird house drama.
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  If I turn it on. Yeah.
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  It's it's really high concept. Stuff is serious drama laundry.
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  I've great switched on during this point and was like, hmm, I
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  forget BBC, this is. This is gone.
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  Yeah, what is that bacon? I know.
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  Isn't it great crowd? Oh yeah, huge huge.
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  Because wasn't he was in the Irish sea as well as and he in
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  his early days here. So they always seem to get
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  really good guest actors in Danae regardless of what era was
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  and regardless of how it was doing in the ratings.
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  I think it's because there's that factor of, you know, your
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  kids have got a car, you got to do Doctor Who please be in
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  Doctor Who and they'd go on and do it.
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  He says in the commentary that obviously didn't want to play
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  the doctor, you didn't want to be stuck in a role for a long
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  time. Abla.
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  And he also says well yeah because I was really scared.
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  I was going to be stuck opening faiths and things like this
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  supermarkets because he is it always detached himself from
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  that part of the job. Yeah, that's fair enough.
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  But you read this script, The Villa this madly over-the-top
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  villainy if I'm there, get me to the BBC and why.
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  Well, that's that's a more acting going on in the
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  background here. I'm just looking at Seth's
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  chest. Sorry, I'm looking over your
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  shoulder at the exasperate expression of the guy with the
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  curly hair. He's really worried though.
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  No, no, no. The one in the middle there.
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  Yeah, no, that's a girl. That's a girl.
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  You sure. Well, whatever they are.
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  They look very confused. Oh, they're also slightly
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  nervous. It's like they've never seen 20
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  know she's smiling now. That's nice, but I think it's
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  good but what I'm feeling They just got to stand around what
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  they're going to do. They just going to stand there?
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  Looking motionless. Or what would you do?
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  See what I would have done, I would have had the main players
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  in the foreground and, and have the, the rest of them just in
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  the background. And they do that thing where
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  they kind of the chat amongst themselves.
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  They're not actually speaking verbally, but it's just some
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  sort of business going on because just have another lined
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  up in a row. Have you not seen that season
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  five? Doctors, were you got Janet?
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  Who is Slade it going? Oh, oh, with these like madly
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  over-the-top chatting gestures, don't you dare slack off Janet?
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  And and myself, I wasn't there slide. talking of being very
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  shallow in the previous episode, Janet Fielding Yeah, that was
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  that was an early Crush. Okay, definitely.
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  I mean obviously Nicola Bryant is for obvious reasons.
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  Was another one soon that book The Companions?
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  No. Oh, okay.
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  Well I'll suggest you get that. You know.
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  I was really the first pager. I can't believe this picture
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  went out. Doctor Who magazine get her
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  children, she's wearing a gold leotard.
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  I hate disguising anything that's nothing.
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  Left to the imagination. I'll send you a picture later.
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  All right. Lovely.
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  Yes, you are. The guy wants this may well says
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  showing off his chest area. You're talking all about
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  parents, get sorry, you have to say a game as sending me,
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  pictures of a half-naked woman. Yeah, you meet from Doctor Who I
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  do. Love all of this.
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  So him being mistaken for the great Prince of an F.
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  Yeah, that's quite well for God's.
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  A just shut up. So big in me up all the time.
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  Careful that book all soon. Jesus Christ.
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  Well, I'll probably most of the listeners.
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  You've heard me jabbering on Perla.
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  Last half an hour, probably will feel the same way.
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  I don't believe it for a second. Hmm.
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  But it does mean your sympathies are immediately with her.
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  Are they? Oh absolutely.
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  Absolutely. They all think he's all-powerful
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  and what for. Yeah, she doesn't much in this.
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  Does he sort of runs, right? Offering.
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  This is kind of like a poor man's, Luke Skywalker, it isn't
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  he's just It does his bit he jams the crystal in a bit later
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  we'll get to that one me and he does it as a ping and did you
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  see how line they are? Said that the so many people
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  well you've got problems and you stop going on about psyharden
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  Fraser please. Oh yeah well that have
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  definitely got problems weakling scum you can shout out of here.
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  Oh no this is that bit well that's hardest goes.
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  I love it too. So we've got this bit on our
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  show. It's the quiz and we call it the
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  mind probe and we had for a whole season.
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  We had the mind probe was out of Action main because he and can't
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  be bothered to write any questions.
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  But in in the the drama that unfolded in the podcast is
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  because I couldn't Source the parts to repair it.
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  So went on for ages and I try starting it up and it had a bit
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  of an old 90 style dial-up. Brought I don't probe and I
• 13:00
  thought up, internet sound, and then we had a bit of ZX Spectrum
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  chucked in there, and then I put in the sound from this just, you
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  know, to show that it wasn't quite working.
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  We enjoy big explosion. Yeah, it's great.
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  Go that far. He really has got extraordinary
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  hair as Auntie the copilot. What is going on there?
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  Yeah, it's sort of curse. Comes.
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  But also they've had some carbon rollers in there as well.
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  It's better as like a comb-over with a bit of extra like
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  sideways Buffon in, it's very strange.
• 13:39
  Look at that snow. I hit a few more from any of the
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  snow. They take themselves.
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  So seriously. That sort of thing.
• 13:55
  You know, the kids the tributes. I really like all that as well.
• 14:03
  So what's that was a thing with a G willing mirror.
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  It wasn't it because they had the whole with the previous
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  regime. They'd really tapped into Hammer
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  horror and a lot of those Gothic to devyse.
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  Yeah, death. I'll tell you.
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  They did, they did. And then obviously, because of
• 14:18
  complaints about too much violence, they had to take in a
• 14:21
  different direction. So they very much went into
• 14:26
  raiding literature, rather than movies.
• 14:29
  So you've got a lot of Glorious ice planets from wheels and the
• 14:34
  fairytale castles of Tara. Mmm, fantastic me Annie Theon
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  Maze of the holes of neyman. Yes.
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  But I think Anthony Reid and Douglas Adams were both very
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  literate when they. Oh yeah.
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  I think as a child, a lot of this one over my head.
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  Mmm. Yeah, I mean, he's explaining
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  some of the references in and the names in this and I'm going,
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  Ah, that's me a full three. So Seth is Theseus.
• 15:02
  Yeah, soul deed is Daedalus. And yeah, Did I make that
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  connection before that? Nah, just watching her.
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  That's right. Episode of Doctor Who this is
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  great. It was a computer malfunction,
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  sir. No sir, you're full of shit.
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  I get animes. You can imagine like other know,
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  they're filming The Two Ronnies on the same day.
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  Ronnie, Barker's that's near the door guys.
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  What they doing here? Oh my God.
• 15:34
  You see what they're doing on Doc's Road?
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  Good Lord. There is a stark contrast
• 15:41
  between the performance of lalla Ward.
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  And those kids isn't it? I mean, she can act with
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  starters. I mean, there is she has got a
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  slight Advantage there. This bit, you know this bit with
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  with your sound effect. This would be where the laughter
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  track would be the best. Absolutely.
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  Yeah. Just with his face like that.
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  It is quite hot, love that delivery.
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  But then, isn't this, what those who is supposed to be
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  improvising and the end of the day, you know, I don't get me
• 16:17
  wrong, I love new who as well, but the whole lonely God thing
• 16:20
  gets a bit tiresome after a while really.
• 16:23
  And I think they addressed this a bit in the Matt Smith era and
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  to a degree in the Capaldi era, he's an idiot.
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  That go Around space trying to sort stuff out and he doesn't
• 16:33
  really have a clue what he's doing.
• 16:34
  It just kind of bimbel's his way around so annoying because they
• 16:37
  they bring up that poison in those areas and then they have
• 16:41
  Matt Smith Rising, so high and falling solo.
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  And then they have Peter Capaldi, I'm going to tear down
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  the space-time Continuum to save Clara.
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  Okay. So you're not really learning
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  anything. Now, Joe.
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  Hello. I feel like we're getting on
• 16:55
  really well, but we are going to fall out if you start slacking
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  off the mafia or because I really love the mafia Oh, great.
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  Well, I was wondering what we're after hordes of nylon.
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  Now, we're going to choose a few fabulous Steven Moffat episodes
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  too bad that our lots to choose from a she's I've done that
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  many, you know, there are still quite a lot to do.
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  Here we go. He's doing is wondering acting.
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  I would just like to say, though, I don't think it's all
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  terrible. I think.
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  No, I think it's very ambitious. It's just a really for me.
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  That's the problem. No, I'm but that's fine.
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  And there's a Ira's. I'm not that fond of.
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  Oh God name and shame there. Any wandering around amazed
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  right now. Dang it.
• 17:39
  I think I've reappraise season 18 quite a lot because I did
• 17:42
  find it a bit. The wrong guy.
• 17:46
  Yeah, the humor I mean obviously the one of the big things was
• 17:50
  they want to take the Hue Max they felt were gone too
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  over-the-top. I felt like they leaned into
• 17:53
  that too much the other way. Now our mutual friend mr.
• 17:57
  Jeff has helped me to come to terms with that and has
• 18:02
  encouraged me to watch Teen 18 through new eyes.
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  And I do feel like I'm more appreciative of it now then I
• 18:09
  was back in the day. and, As much as I totally get, virtually
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  is a huge, huge doctor. For a lot of people.
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  I just find a lot of his stuff. Not so much the stories.
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  I think it's more here. My car problem with him, I just
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  find him. It's just really aren't
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  admittedly. I'm a big fan of Tom, and he can
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  be pompous and he can cut people down to size, but I never felt
• 18:44
  like he was punching down. Whereas always feel with
• 18:48
  Pertwee. As had a nose, is kind of
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  patronising it is, especially the way he speaks to Joe
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  sometimes like absolute shit. I don't like that.
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  And since he is your Superior officer Mark, you might show a
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  bit of respect, but as weird because I really love Capaldi
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  and capacity can be very, oh my God, he's Savage about you.
• 19:09
  That's not a bit weird takes up the cards and he's like, oh I'm
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  so sorry for your loss of he/she.
• 19:18
  That's what Colleen needed. He needed to see it.
• 19:20
  Absolutely, absolutely. What do you got three mirrors.
• 19:24
  Your face is so wide. You want.
• 19:28
  I can't talk to him. If the top layer over there.
• 19:31
  I love that stuff. I love it.
• 19:34
  Oh, what you think about like on top of the TARDIS with blue
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  light? It's it's a thing, isn't it?
• 19:39
  I don't like it but definitely a thing.
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  Yes, it is a thing. Yeah, okay, yeah, I think it's,
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  yeah, I think it's an attempt to show an entrance to a building.
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  Maybe, I don't know. Okay.
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  Alright, so I don't think it's a terrible say, I think it's sort
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  of interesting to look at. I think the framework in the
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  background is giving me serious clack.
• 20:06
  Galaxy for Vibes of the, the real spaceship.
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  Yeah. Just don't touch it because it
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  will all start wobbling and falling down, but it's rather
• 20:14
  impressed with that came back, you know, of those the direction
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  I love. I love that.
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  See, we're making up now. Haven't found our differences.
• 20:21
  We're now making up because we both appreciate Galaxy.
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  Oh well, thank you. But even when we talk about
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  these things we've got different.
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  We will disagree. Agreeably, of course worry.
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  We'll see ya. Yeah, I feel like I want to try
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  an Avion are for a poet now, as well, just to be contrary.
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  This is a fabulous. Oh yeah, sure.
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  Wow. Yeah really is Daniel.
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  Ellis is very proud of this moment in the comment area.
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  Some more like you can do anything.
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  Let's say, yeah. Very cool effects shot.
• 20:51
  For all the talk of, you know, cheap scenery and I think Doctor
• 20:56
  Who does sort of weirdly dried husks.
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  Quite, well, doesn't in your vein stay at the K.
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  Well, yeah. Oh yeah.
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  Ice is melting wind gust of fenric.
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  When the vampires? Yeah.
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  Melt Away. And I love the idea of the
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  minute of the, the aney Theon ladder.
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  Hmm. How did the idea was like the
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  night when I like spiders? Yeah, yeah, the victim is in the
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  where, that's Grim old. Oh, here we go, here we go.
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  I just dropped in dropped in. Is it me or or saudade desk?
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  There. Looks like a kind of Alternate
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  reality version of the swap shop.
• 21:42
  Remember these have a desk on Swap Shop with all the like the
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  toys and stuff across the front. Is he like it's gone off his
• 21:48
  version of Noel Edmonds. Do you think?
• 21:51
  Well the script says that he is an engineer and that he is a
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  politician, but he's not very good at Iva but he just fakes
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  that he's great at both of them. He's a blogger.
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  So yes you definitely the no weapons of of this planet.
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  It's the beard that finishes, it seals the deal, doesn't it?
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  But you know, in that design I can often there's a bit of
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  thought because it's all sort of it looks like it's made out of
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  big engine parts. The it's you very masculine,
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  isn't it? Yeah.
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  They're trying to suggest that the these men have a bit of
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  compensation problems. Hmm.
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  Hey, it is campus Christmas as Nietzsche peacock.
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  Smoking a pipe. Everywhere.
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  Yeah, that room could have a nice little kids, you know, you
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  need someone to come in and feng shui up a bit.
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  Oh I love this is large for his teacher, says he hasn't seen
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  Romani. It's like really no idea what
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  I'm talking about. You're meddling swine.
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  Eliezer, his face. Look at the do it.
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  They are so try to make each other.
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  Laugh. Imagine or the outtakes are like
• 23:06
  This is the last time we got Tom's classic outfit as well.
• 23:10
  Before we go into the maroon thing for season 18, which I
• 23:14
  don't mind but I just this is my gosu Tom look.
• 23:18
  Yeah, I like the maroon, it's fine, but it looks more like a
• 23:22
  uniform. Whereas this, how you like
• 23:24
  something he threw together? Yeah, yeah and the fact that
• 23:27
  over the years, has changed it up and they they do different
• 23:30
  codes, or they do different shirts, or whatever, it feels
• 23:36
  like, Like a choice from the Wardrobe rather than something
• 23:39
  that's been created and it gets worse as you go into the 80s.
• 23:42
  You know, God that is talking about that.
• 23:45
  Console room must have been absolutely honking.
• 23:48
  You know. You got Janet Fielding wearing
• 23:49
  that same purple outfit adric. Is it like a jobless for?
• 23:54
  Yeah. Well you and after what happened
• 23:57
  in that that scene with the master where he's you know, the
• 24:00
  one I'm talking about is raised up on the Rostrum, is not the
• 24:04
  only thing that's raised up. The right match race.
• 24:07
  I'll tell you, wow, it taking someone's eye out.
• 24:11
  Jesus. Now, this is nice to Circle.
• 24:14
  Back to the original, Myths, never there, they're trying to
• 24:18
  lay crumbs to find their way back out of the maze again.
• 24:21
  And you know, this whole sequence here was saying on the
• 24:23
  info text that they were moving the set rather than editing the
• 24:28
  scene they were physically moving the size.
• 24:30
  Cool. I like that which I think is
• 24:32
  really nice. Yeah.
• 24:33
  Well you can do it all in one, take that card.
• 24:35
  Yeah, it's okay. Back to the 60s and they know
• 24:37
  they're kind of going from one set to another and rushing
• 24:39
  around, but in this can in this example, they're moving the sets
• 24:42
  around rather than moving the actors.
• 24:44
  All right, Tom Baker insist on using the Stars.
• 24:46
  Because it was a sort of kids would get on their homework.
• 24:48
  Yeah, absolutely. You know, appealing to the kids.
• 24:51
  Hmm. I think he just had a
• 24:54
  cross-generational appeal. Told Baker, though, didn't it?
• 24:57
  Yeah, fabulous for the kids because he was so, quirky.
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  Race is the first time, I'm really sorry to interrupt you.
• 25:03
  It's the first time when he came in in season 12 it suddenly got
• 25:07
  this huge appeal for a student and older that's of teenagers
• 25:12
  and going into your 20s took on that cult status.
• 25:16
  And just being a family show. He would always say then you got
• 25:19
  all the Granny's that are absolutely delighted because all
• 25:22
  the kids are shoving themselves and their puzzles while they're
• 25:25
  watching because they're so scared.
• 25:28
  Does he make that joke about old women seeing him and their
• 25:33
  boobies? Start tingling or something?
• 25:35
  Yeah. Yeah, listen, you never need to
• 25:39
  apologize for interrupting me. I'll spend my entire podcasting
• 25:42
  career interrupting everyone else.
• 25:45
  It's quite refreshing to have it done in the other direction,
• 25:47
  boy. Have you read?
• 25:51
  Tom's autobiography A little bit.
• 25:53
  Not a lot. Oh, it's so good at these.
• 25:57
  I heard his Tom Baker, array C. The big finish one that, yes,
• 26:01
  that's great. It's really good because, and
• 26:04
  because he's for friends with Nick breaks, he manages to avoid
• 26:08
  the usual quotes and as yeah, throw him a little bit, you
• 26:12
  know, all this. This now is possibly the most
• 26:16
  operatic sequence in all of Doctor, Who Farmers.
• 26:21
  Lets his trousers, I brought you the tribute.
• 26:24
  No, no, my trousers are splitting.
• 26:30
  Now, you can see my white pants. Its cheeks are wobbling more
• 26:34
  than that set early. Well.
• 26:37
  Okay this is absurdly over the top but you know I do like look
• 26:44
  pretty but bind us. Remember to shoot the nylon low,
• 26:48
  he just shoots up. Yeah, okay.
• 26:50
  That, and that gives them a bit of stature.
• 26:54
  Oh I think the set did. Well oh hello dear.
• 26:57
  Oh now that's something I didn't want to see.
• 27:01
  I don't want the copilot's Underpants in my face.
• 27:03
  Thank you very much. What a way to end an episode.
• 27:07
  Jesus won't stir approaching on the helpless children.
• 27:10
  Yeah, you can get upset, that, that larger set, that's quite
• 27:14
  honest. Yeah, I'm getting flashbacks to
• 27:17
  the Arkin space. Yeah, I kind of factual did
• 27:22
  thing on his face. You can see that there's dummies
• 27:23
  in there as well call. If you, that's no way to talk
• 27:26
  about the extras. Come on, their dinner fast.
• 27:29
  I'm so sorry. But I do think that's more
• 27:48
  effectively traumatic. Yeah.
• 27:50
  Now give you that and the episode 1, mmm.
• 27:54
  You know, the camera either moves a little bit as yes,
• 27:56
  didn't towards the kiddos. Oh yeah, yeah, exciting.
• 28:01
  Wait for the next one. Well, I'm so sorry, but I'm
• 28:03
  going to be asking you some more questions from Twitter.
• 28:06
  I'll go on then if that's okay if your marks well a lot of
• 28:10
  people did it jump in it did. Thank you all for getting in
• 28:13
  touch as brilliant. The Marvelous very Piedmont
• 28:16
  Lambert asks could Doctor Who have still been on air into the
• 28:19
  90s. If only the studio strike, had
• 28:22
  prevented 10 million people from seeing this instead of Sharda,
• 28:27
  Well, I think that's very hurtful he might have a point.
• 28:34
  I'm insured. We've had about 20 versions of
• 28:37
  Sharda now, so I feel a bit sharded out.
• 28:39
  I do love it, I love Douglas Adams but a Multiverse of
• 28:45
  different shoulders. Now, already is whatever your
• 28:47
  taste is shorter will cater for it.
• 28:50
  Yeah, he also asked wasn't every 1980s.
• 28:54
  Comedy sketch that went wasn't Doctor Who cheap shit.
• 28:57
  Of dreadful acting just doing horns off any.
• 29:01
  Don't like this one, Mark? No, I'm getting that distinct
• 29:04
  impression. Yeah, it's not for everyone.
• 29:07
  And that's fine. He's found out what Pete really
• 29:10
  likes, and then we'll was like a while because I want to he
• 29:13
  really likes the mafia as well. Oh, he's a big fan of Jodie,
• 29:17
  Whittaker. As you know, is he, I like Jody
• 29:22
  me too. Okay, cynical.
• 29:25
  Archivists says, always more of a comment.
• 29:29
  I think I suppose some comment on the God complex would make
• 29:32
  sense and the, if connections. Yeah, so not unlike the Mind
• 29:36
  robber and underworld, then they make a connection And like a
• 29:39
  explicit connection between this and the God complex they do.
• 29:42
  They talk about here. The minor Tour on that being a
• 29:47
  dark, remember the exact wording that users like a distant
• 29:50
  relation or a cousin of 91. But they do mention the name on
• 29:54
  bye-bye named Joe Buckle. Haven't done the God complex yet
• 29:57
  and I think it's amazing. That's a great story.
• 30:01
  It was just all right. I may be okay Fraser Gregory
• 30:05
  pipe razor 15 questions on everyone.
• 30:08
  Honestly don't get out much Doctor Who has no right?
• 30:11
  Being this fun, fantastic and fabulous discuss.
• 30:16
  I mean, he's right. I mean that's, that's there's
• 30:18
  not much to discuss these ideas and it is fabulous.
• 30:22
  I had David g. A story that gets a kicking and
• 30:25
  held up as an example of everything that went wrong with
• 30:27
  the Williams era is that fair or unjust I could see how if this
• 30:35
  wasn't your bag, it will get very irritating, very quickly.
• 30:41
  but, I think that's a lot to be said for the Williams era.
• 30:45
  I think, when you look at all those stories, yes, there are
• 30:50
  some Duds, but you can say that of any era person, Bloody great
• 30:53
  stories in there, as well, city of death.
• 30:58
  Our planet pirate Planet yet. Why would I love nearly all with
• 31:04
  them? There's only a couple I know,
• 31:05
  like I just, I love the imagination.
• 31:07
  I like the, I think the creative family Rock what a great story
• 31:12
  amazing in terms of like imagination.
• 31:14
  I think the Williams era is maybe Doctor Who as high, not in
• 31:18
  terms of production value, but in terms of creativity.
• 31:22
  Yeah, absolutely. I'll give you that.
• 31:24
  Okay. One last question, then it's
• 31:26
  from your friend of And they found bottomley.
• 31:30
  We love Nathan course is going to be fucking facetiously.
• 31:33
  I've just Mark how many know I'm on have you seen today?
• 31:38
  How many 3 have seen?