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One Piece, 819-820 · Spoil Me! One Piece

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  Speaker 1: This is an Unspoiled Network podcast. This is spoil Me
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  Speaker 1: covering One Piece episodes eight nineteen and eight twenty Sora's Wish,
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  Speaker 1: Germa's failure Soany and to Reach Soany, Lufy's vengeful hell
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  Speaker 1: bent Dash. In these episodes, we find out why Sony
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  Speaker 1: is a failure of this experiment, and I wasn't even
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  Speaker 1: like asking the question why is he a failure? I
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  Speaker 1: was just like, well, you know, it's new science. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: things don't work out, but it turns out it's a
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  Speaker 1: lot more than that.
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  Speaker 2: Actually.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to spoil Me. Welcome to the show everyone. I
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  Speaker 1: am Natasha. Thank you very much to Florian for commissioning
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  Speaker 1: this episode. You know, I understand, guys, when you book
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  Speaker 1: these episodes that a lot of times you kind of
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  Speaker 1: like have to pick whatever slot is available because I
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  Speaker 1: get booked fast. But I have to say I really
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  Speaker 1: enjoy recording one Piece early in the slots, especially because
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  Speaker 1: usually the way that my schedule works out is I'm
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  Speaker 1: able to listen to audiobook stuff like the day before
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  Speaker 1: I do my recordings, but I wait and almost always
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  Speaker 1: watch one Piece on the day, and I usually try
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  Speaker 1: and watch it pretty close to when I start recording,
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  Speaker 1: and it's just nice if I like today, I finished
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  Speaker 1: watching it about twenty minutes before I had to start here,
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  Speaker 1: and so it's just very fresh in my mind, and
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  Speaker 1: it's nice to go immediately from watching to recording, because
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  Speaker 1: mostly I don't get to do that a lot, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I uh, there's almost always a delay between when I
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  Speaker 1: watch and consume something versus when I'm actually able to
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  Speaker 1: like talk about it finally, So this is a treat.
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  Speaker 1: And I saw the title on this one, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I try to avoid that, but this time I didn't
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  Speaker 1: manage it. And I saw Sora's last wish and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, who surah am? I supposed to know who
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  Speaker 1: that is? And that is evidently Soanji's mom's name. Remind
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  Speaker 1: me Florian's here in the chat what Soanjie's sister's name is,
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  Speaker 1: because I know it's the word for zero, but I
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  Speaker 1: cannot remember what that actually is. So this the more
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  Speaker 1: that I'm like kind of stepping back and looking at
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  Speaker 1: the way things have shaken out with this story, the
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  Speaker 1: more convinced I am becoming that his sister was poking
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  Speaker 1: around and it was putting who took her out. I
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  Speaker 1: was really last episode kind of like it seemed like
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  Speaker 1: she didn't know what had happened to her. But of
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  Speaker 1: course she acts like that when there's when she's in
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  Speaker 1: the hall and there's potential for other people to see,
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  Speaker 1: and she actually shows us the gun she's planning on
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  Speaker 1: using at the wedding and this girl got shot, you
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  Speaker 1: know which, honestly, in one Piece guns aren't really like there.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like they're unusual, but they really don't seem
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  Speaker 1: to be the weapon of choice a lot. So it
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  Speaker 1: seems obvious to me now looking at it that like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she was trying to snoop and Putting caught her. She
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  Speaker 1: was on the balcony of Pudding's room and Putting shot her.
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  Speaker 1: She managed to get far enough away that Putting had
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  Speaker 1: to put her like you know, company face back on
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  Speaker 1: and then dragged her back into her room. And so
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  Speaker 1: this is part of why she unloads on his sister
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  Speaker 1: about their real plans before taking her memories, because it's like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, while you were snooping around, So let me
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and tell you, because it isn't even going
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  Speaker 1: to matter that I told you. Raise you, says Florian,
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  Speaker 1: thank you, and she is when we open this episode,
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  Speaker 1: she's in bed in the hospital, and I just want
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  Speaker 1: to mention that the little touches like mostly you can
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  Speaker 1: you can see the influence of like the food stuff
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  Speaker 1: in a general sense, where the doors on this wardrobe
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  Speaker 1: look like Graham crackers, you know, or or the actual
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  Speaker 1: like because there's sort of these old fashioned and frame beds.
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  Speaker 1: The frames look like they're striped like candy canes, and
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  Speaker 1: all of that stuff is dope and I love it.
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  Speaker 1: But my personal favorite touch in this room is that
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  Speaker 1: the pillows are shaped like big wrapped candies. I want
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  Speaker 1: a pillow like this, very much like they probably are
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  Speaker 1: out there, you know, making things look like candies as
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  Speaker 1: a cutesy thing that is not unheard of, especially for
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  Speaker 1: like children's stuff. So I'm sure this exists, but I
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  Speaker 1: often when you see things like this, they're made somewhat
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  Speaker 1: small for children or just to be like decor. But
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  Speaker 1: I want, like an actual adult, regular size pillow that
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  Speaker 1: looks like this. I just think it is so cute.
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  Speaker 1: And we have this doctor here who he's evidently like
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  Speaker 1: they're only doctor and is overworked because as he's leaving,
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  Speaker 1: he's just like there's a bunch of people in the
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  Speaker 1: infirmary over here that I've got to go look at,
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  Speaker 1: and I bet I'm not even gonna be able to
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  Speaker 1: get any sleep before the wedding tomorrow. But he's not
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  Speaker 1: worried about her recovery. He says that she has un
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  Speaker 1: naturally thick skin and quick healing, and probably by tomorrow
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  Speaker 1: she will be perfectly fine to go to the wedding
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  Speaker 1: as long as she is given a full night's rest.
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  Speaker 1: He leaves, and Sanji there's like a single pawn guard
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  Speaker 1: in the medical wing. Sanji comes in, kicks this dude
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  Speaker 1: into unconsciousness and then dumps him into a little like
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  Speaker 1: side area, draws the curtains, and goes and talks to
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  Speaker 1: his sister and immediately is like, hey, your memories were
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  Speaker 1: fucked with. Here's what's really going on. And I really appreciated,
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  Speaker 1: Like the way that he is looking at all of
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  Speaker 1: this is just I can't believe that I really thought
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  Speaker 1: I had found a way to make it so that
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  Speaker 1: like things kind of worked out for the best. I
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  Speaker 1: thought if I took one for the team, it would
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  Speaker 1: be okay. And now I'm looking at it, like, how
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  Speaker 1: was I that stupid? How could I have thought that
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  Speaker 1: and I don't. I'm not mad at you for this, Sanji.
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  Speaker 1: I understand him being annoyed with himself, but just for
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  Speaker 1: the record, I want to say, I think you were
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  Speaker 1: just doing the best you could in a situation that
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  Speaker 1: seemed to have no good options in it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it just seems to me like when you are faced
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  Speaker 1: with things like this, you try to find a way,
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  Speaker 1: and you try to you want to believe the best
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  Speaker 1: of the people that you're dealing with as well, because
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  Speaker 1: if you don't have faith that they will uphold their
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  Speaker 1: end of things, then the situation turns into something that's
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  Speaker 1: completely hopeless. And we really can't bear for things to
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  Speaker 1: be completely hopeless, understandably, Like, I am not mad at that.
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  Speaker 1: So he's so angry at himself, and I totally get why.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not mocking his feelings on this at all, but
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  Speaker 1: I just want to say, like, for myself, I am
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  Speaker 1: not judging him. And sometimes you want to think that
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  Speaker 1: if you work within a system, that you're going to
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  Speaker 1: be able to find some kind of loophole that makes
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  Speaker 1: things work out, and I get it. You know. The
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  Speaker 1: thing is with most systems, the way that they are
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  Speaker 1: structured is explicitly to fuck you, and so they are
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  Speaker 1: explicitly made to not be kind of gamed by the
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  Speaker 1: average person. The only people who can gain a lot
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  Speaker 1: of systems are the folks who already have some power,
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  Speaker 1: whether that be socially or financially. But I could see
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  Speaker 1: why he might think I have a little social clout here.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I am the Vince Smoke family that she
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  Speaker 1: wants to marry so much. I am somebody that like,
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  Speaker 1: if I dig my heels in and make this difficult,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be frustrating, and you know, could maybe
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  Speaker 1: put all of this on hold for a while. So like, overall,
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  Speaker 1: I just want to say that I really, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was sitting there along with him, kind of being like,
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  Speaker 1: maybe even though the you know, two of them, Lufi
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  Speaker 1: and Nami are captured and being held in this book thing,
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  Speaker 1: maybe that doesn't mean anything. Maybe it's still gonna work
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  Speaker 1: out somehow. Like I was even telling myself this, even though,
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  Speaker 1: when have we come across a villain in this series
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  Speaker 1: that really like adheres to their word on that kind
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  Speaker 1: of front, you know. And it also solves the mystery
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  Speaker 1: of why it seemed a big mom was willing to
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  Speaker 1: like play ball with him at all when he really
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  Speaker 1: didn't have any leverage, like in a real sense. And
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  Speaker 1: it turns out she was willing to do this because
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't real. She wasn't actually willing to do this.
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  Speaker 1: She was just playing along because it would get him
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  Speaker 1: to behave And you know, I have already said a
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  Speaker 1: few times that I admire that big Mom is just
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  Speaker 1: so like practical and on her shit. I won't take
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  Speaker 1: that back. This is a really good way to handle it.
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  Speaker 1: If he thinks he's making a deal with you and
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  Speaker 1: this is going to get him to keep fucking quiet. Yeah, great,
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  Speaker 1: I take advantage of this too. If I were evil.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to argue with. So I just really uh
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  Speaker 1: this whole thing. I feel so bad because he is
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  Speaker 1: just really blaming himself. And the truth is, Bro, you
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  Speaker 1: could not have stopped this, no matter what great idea
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  Speaker 1: you came up with. The way that it's all going
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  Speaker 1: at the moment is just sort of like, this isn't
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  Speaker 1: a train that you can pull brakes on. You don't
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  Speaker 1: have anything to work with. Both sides don't give a
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  Speaker 1: fuck about you, including your own family, So it totally sucks, Like,
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  Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. But he really seems to be
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  Speaker 1: kind of beating himself up in the sense of like
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  Speaker 1: if I had just done something different or not been
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  Speaker 1: so stupid, And honestly, I don't really think that's anything.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that if you had done anything else
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  Speaker 1: it would have changed how this is going right now.
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  Speaker 1: Anything that's gonna change is going to happen because the
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  Speaker 1: straw hats are coming in and handling some shit. But like,
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  Speaker 1: as far as you from the inside, you've got no power.
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  Speaker 1: You did what you thought you could. It didn't work out,
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  Speaker 1: But this was a good idea if you had been
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  Speaker 1: dealing with somebody else, it was a good effort, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And even going so far as to like try and
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  Speaker 1: embrace what his relationship is going to be with putting
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  Speaker 1: he is doing his best. He really is. I just
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  Speaker 1: don't I'm not mad at you, Sanji. As somebody who
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  Speaker 1: is currently at this very moment in twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 1: feeling locked in a system that gives no fucks about me,
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  Speaker 1: my opinion, my well being, or that of any of
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  Speaker 1: my peers, I deeply understand what it feels like to
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  Speaker 1: just try anything because you genuinely have no other options,
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  Speaker 1: but to sort of flail at nothing, knowing the whole time,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, as you're flailing that it's probably not
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  Speaker 1: gonna work, but also kind of being aware they want
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  Speaker 1: you to believe that it's like not going to work.
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  Speaker 1: Part of the way that things are structured right now
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  Speaker 1: is they are overwhelming us on purpose to make those
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  Speaker 1: of us who are trying to resist feel beaten down
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  Speaker 1: and overwhelmed, so that we just start to tune out.
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  Speaker 1: And like I would, I really want to draw a
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  Speaker 1: distinction here. I'm not going to say on this topic
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  Speaker 1: too long, don't worry, but like there's a difference between
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  Speaker 1: totally tuning out and being careful with how much news
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  Speaker 1: you consume. Because I am doing that ladder, I am
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  Speaker 1: trying to not be in it all the time because
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  Speaker 1: it is it's genuinely too much. This method works of
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  Speaker 1: overwhelming us, it works especially considering the way that social
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  Speaker 1: media has become so ubiquitous for all of us on
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  Speaker 1: our downtime. They have taken advantage of that and made
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  Speaker 1: it so that we are any time we're like kind
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  Speaker 1: of not working, we are consuming a bunch of things
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  Speaker 1: that are bad news, toxic shit, and also We're in
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  Speaker 1: comment sections full of people who seem to suck but
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  Speaker 1: may not even be real people they met. Many of
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  Speaker 1: them are bots, you know. So I don't think tuning
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  Speaker 1: out is the right call, but I understand the temptation,
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  Speaker 1: and I am personally really trying to just like dial
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  Speaker 1: back my consumption overall a little bit, because I know
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  Speaker 1: how this feels, and just the whole thing with Sanjy
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  Speaker 1: just feels weirdly a little bit like that of like,
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  Speaker 1: even though this is garbage and I hate it, there's
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  Speaker 1: a part of me that thinks, maybe if I can
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  Speaker 1: like accept an aspect of it and try and make
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  Speaker 1: the best of it and then negotiate out of other
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  Speaker 1: parts of it, maybe I can find a place where,
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  Speaker 1: you know, my reality isn't so terrible and I'm not
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  Speaker 1: so fucking miserable, And you know, it's a great thought.
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  Speaker 1: I understand this as a method. And when you're dealing
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  Speaker 1: with monsters, any kind of attempt to negotiate with them
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  Speaker 1: is foolhardy at best. They do not care if you
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  Speaker 1: wind up being okay. When it comes down to it,
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  Speaker 1: they see you as a joke, and they see any
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  Speaker 1: attempt on your part to try and negotiate as like
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  Speaker 1: a perfect opportunity to further humiliate and exploit you, you know,
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  Speaker 1: And I was just sort of hoping that maybe that
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  Speaker 1: wasn't how it went with Big Mom on a certain level.
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  Speaker 1: On a certain level I could. I knew obviously from
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  Speaker 1: what we have seen so far, a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: way that she operates is utterly ruthless and exploitative, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the way that we saw them raiding all of these
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  Speaker 1: neighboring islands for supplies for this wedding. Clearly, but sometimes
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  Speaker 1: people who suck ass they reserve their respect for folks
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  Speaker 1: that they see as on their own level. And not
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  Speaker 1: that they won't try and like totally swindle them too,
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  Speaker 1: but they'll be more cautious about it. They'll be a
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  Speaker 1: little bit less open with it. So I was sort
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  Speaker 1: of thinking, maybe, you know, And I also I should
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  Speaker 1: mention too that, like I was talking last time about
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  Speaker 1: how Putting is mocking soany and just you know, his
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  Speaker 1: overall gullibility and YadA YadA when she's talking to his sister,
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  Speaker 1: but she actually specifically mentioned that Sanji is a failure
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  Speaker 1: and a joke. And I can't believe that, you guys,
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  Speaker 1: offered me him at least offer me like a real prince.
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  Speaker 1: And I am wondering if this is like related to
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  Speaker 1: his brothers who have no emotions, because it seems like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, she is so cold hearted that she sees
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  Speaker 1: his brothers as actually being a potentially like valid match
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  Speaker 1: with her, But the fact that he is compassionate and
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  Speaker 1: has any sort of emotion is just as repellent to
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  Speaker 1: her as it is to his father. And that also
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  Speaker 1: very much hurt to see because finding out that you're
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  Speaker 1: the person that you were ready to like kind of
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  Speaker 1: open yourself up to and be vulnerable with has the
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  Speaker 1: same opinion of you for the same reasons as the
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  Speaker 1: people who disowned you and repeatedly abuse used you. That
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  Speaker 1: is devastating. It's like so particularly awful. Sorry, I just
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  Speaker 1: saw Sarah M says, you don't get to be one
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  Speaker 1: of the four greatest pirates in the world without knowing
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  Speaker 1: how to handle stuff them. Having the ability and clear
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  Speaker 1: willingness to kill Zef if he makes too much of
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  Speaker 1: an issue really doesn't give him any good options. Yeah here,
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  Speaker 1: and here's the thing too, I should mention that in
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  Speaker 1: this scene, like eventually his sister is like is telling
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  Speaker 1: him like, you gotta get the fuck out of here,
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  Speaker 1: and he says something about if I do that, what
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  Speaker 1: do you think will happen to Zef? And what she's
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  Speaker 1: saying is get out of here before like the wedding
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  Speaker 1: goes through. But I don't think that he should try
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  Speaker 1: and get out before the wedding goes through. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, guys, because if he does, you know,
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  Speaker 1: his family will indeed try and kills f maybe succeed.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I don't even need the word try in there
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  Speaker 1: at all. But what if he was able to get
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  Speaker 1: to a place where it is about to go down?
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  Speaker 1: Like his sister actually says. And this is so funny
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  Speaker 1: because it was another thing I had meant to address
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  Speaker 1: last episode and I never got around to. But she's
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  Speaker 1: talking to him about what she actually wants to happen
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  Speaker 1: in this situation and actually says, I kind of just
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  Speaker 1: want this to happen, Like I had my suspicions already
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  Speaker 1: about putting because she was a little bit too perfect
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  Speaker 1: for me. So when he's like telling her what really happened,
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  Speaker 1: he's kind of thinking, oh, she's not gonna believe me,
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  Speaker 1: But she immediately is like, no, I do. I knew
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  Speaker 1: something was up, but she actually says to him, figure
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  Speaker 1: out how to deal with a barratier after you've escaped,
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  Speaker 1: And even if something were to happen to all of us,
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  Speaker 1: I don't really care, because we fucking suck as a family,
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  Speaker 1: and I have been made to obey father. He did
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  Speaker 1: something to me to ensure my compliance with whatever he
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  Speaker 1: said in my obedience. Now I'm a little confused by this, guys,
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  Speaker 1: because later she tells him that the bracelets that he's
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  Speaker 1: wearing aren't actually gonna blow his hands off. She switched
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  Speaker 1: them out for regular ones, so they're not dangerous after all.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't understand how she's able to do that
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  Speaker 1: if she is meant to obey him, if there's something
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  Speaker 1: in her that cannot disobey, isn't switching them out explicitly
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  Speaker 1: disobeying him? I guess I don't understand how this thing
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  Speaker 1: functions that he has because it may be perhaps that
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  Speaker 1: simply like in the moment that he tells her something,
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  Speaker 1: at that very exact moment, she must do what he says,
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  Speaker 1: but that if he isn't there to directly influence her,
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  Speaker 1: and she has like freedom from his presence that maybe
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  Speaker 1: then she is able to do whatever it is that
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  Speaker 1: she needs to do. I maybe it is like sort
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  Speaker 1: of a he has to be there to kind of
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  Speaker 1: activate that in her. Seraphim says, I get the impression
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  Speaker 1: she has some wiggle room but has but has too
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  Speaker 1: much programming to disobey a direct order. Florian says, as
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  Speaker 1: I think of it, rage you can't see the light
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  Speaker 1: and does not think she is deserving of rescue and
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  Speaker 1: that it is not possible. Well, yeah, that definitely is it.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm asking about like the explicit way that this
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  Speaker 1: obey me function works and how she can have disobeyed
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  Speaker 1: him then by giving Sanjy fake bracelets because and like
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  Speaker 1: too much programming to disobey a direct order. That's that's
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  Speaker 1: the part that I'm sort of like, it's a direct
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  Speaker 1: order for her to put exploding cuffs on him, you know,
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  Speaker 1: so I unless he didn't word it exactly that way,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: but we don't get to actually like see if I
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: recall correctly like that exact moment. So I don't know,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: but the fact that these things are not going to
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: blow up, I mean in a way, is a real
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: game changer. This helps, But I do just want to
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: acknowledge that I had a moment of sort of like
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: hold on, you know, in reaction to this. I love
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: the fact that he's got at least one ally in
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: the whole mix, you know, because if he truly were
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: fully just on his own, the way that he could
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: fall into despair and I wouldn't be mad at him
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: for it at all, it would be very, very very tempting.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: So at least having her, even if this were to
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: not work out, having her on his side is something.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: But I just don't I want to understand more fully
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: exactly how it is that this thing with her father works.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: And you know, I get her because she says something
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: about how like I have a lot of blood on
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: my hands, or like my hands are really dirty, something
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: like that. So he's obviously made her do things in
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: the past that she can't live with and hates herself
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: for which I can't even imagine. Frankly, you know, like
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: I really get kind of being like the world's better
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: without me. But on the other hand, if your dad's
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: dead and you're free of him and that like that
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: obligation to do what he tells you to do, what
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: could you do with your life, then it could be
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: a whole new world for you. And I don't want
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: her to die in the mix, but I could kind
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: of see if it went that way. I'm trying to
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: sort of get a sense on how the show would
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: make things go, and there is a part of me
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: that feels like they might kill her because that she's
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: a perfect character that you kind of care about and
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: are rooting for, but who can also sacrifice themselves for
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: the good of everybody, and you would be genuinely like
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: sad about it, and it would feel like a real sacrifice.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: So I'm kind of at a place in like with
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: my understanding of the storytelling of this world that probably
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: she isn't gonna make it because she is so she
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: is positioned in an idea deal spot to have a
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: dramatic moment like that. You know, Seraphim says it might
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: also be an odd wording choice slash translation thing, and
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: she means more, she can't do anything that would openly
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: defy him out of fear, but small things that he
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: won't know she did, she'll do. Oh okay. I thought
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: it was a sort of like a genetic manipulation thing,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: like with everybody else that he had put things in
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: place that she could explicitly like not disobey, you know
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, But maybe that is it's just like
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: a sort of metaphorical type of thing, which would be
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: fine if that's what it is, that would make sense. Okay,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I'm willing to accept that. So I'm trying to make
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: sure that I'm not missing Okay. So this is when
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: he she brings up their mother and SANGI is just like,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: straight up, what are you even talking about her for
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: right now? Which I did think was kind of funny
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: because obviously, when you see the flashbacks, his mother had
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: affection for him of a type that nobody else had,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: and so for her to be like Mom would have
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: wanted you to get out of here, or mom would
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: have you know blank blank blank, that's just not that
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: unusual a thing to bring up at this moment. It's
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: not really like weird enough to be like, why are
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: you even mentioning her? I was sort of like many
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: people would bring up your dead parent who cared about
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: you when nobody else did. When they're trying to tell
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: you to save yourself or do the right thing or whatever.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: It's not you know, his sort of going like, what
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: do you mean? I was like, what do you mean?
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: What does she mean? It's very very clear. But then
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: it turns out that there is a very a specific
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: thing that she's referring to that he did not know about.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: And I don't know why this wasn't more well known
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: by folks. I was sort of thinking, as like, the
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: story unfolds that, uh, I think it's just meant to
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: be that SOANGI is so looked down on that nobody's
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: gonna bother telling him anything, because why bother with this
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: kid who sucks and is worthless, you know. But this
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: is the first time he's hearing of it. So his mother.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: We don't really get any information about why she and
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Judge wound up together. It does not seem like she
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: and he had a real relationship of any kind. There's
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: not really a sense from her of like, I loved
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: you once and now you've turned into this monster and
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know where to turn. It's just sort of
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: the vibe for me is like I am trying to
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: make the best of this, and you keep insisting on
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: like doing the worst possible thing. You know. We see
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: her having already gotten pregnant, and she is being informed
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: that she's going to be made to undergo this surgery
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: and it's to make these children into perfect soldiers that
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: will not you know, disobey orders, that will not have emotions,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: that won't have compassion, And her immediate reaction is just
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: why would you do this? These are my children too,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: this is our family. And Judge is utterly uninterested in
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: anything that she has to say. He does not care
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: and completely disregards her and is just like, yep, this
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: is happening. And the only means that she can come
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: up with to resist what he is forcing her to
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: do is to drink a toxin, a poison that will
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: hopefully counteract whatever it is that they attempt to do.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: And I can't remember if she drinks it before or after.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I have to assume it's after. But uh, Florian says,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: my guess is political marriage, and like that's kind of
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: what I'm assuming. But she drinks this and the result
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: of it is that, like it seems like at first
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: it didn't do anything, and the judge is very relieved.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: It's looking like the things that they have done to
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: these kids has gone through anyway, because they begin to
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: develop these symptoms, I guess you would say, where they're
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: fucking like, you know, just able to do superhuman things
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: even as young children. And then they see how Soanjy
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: is falling behind, and they're realizing like, oh, okay, that's
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: where the failure is. Is this one kid? Everybody else
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: it turned out all right, but with him no, and unfortunately,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: like it only saved Soangy from becoming like his brothers,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: but it also has long term effects on his mom.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: So she is just not ever really this ever the
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: same again after she drinks this, and it seems to
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: be the cause of her death in the end, which
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: one could say, maybe that's why they never told Sanja,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: but nobody gives a shit about son She's feelings. So
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and guess that probably his sister
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: knew and didn't tell him for that reason. And now
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: is at a point where she's like, okay, I think
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: you get to know now. But and so of course,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: like the way he's initially interpreting this is just oh,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: that means that her death is my fault. This fucking sucks,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: like he feels so guilty right away, and she's like no, no, no,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: you don't understand, and we get a flashback of her
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: talking to her mother, and her mom just saying how
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: great a son Soanji is and that he brings her
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: so much pride and is the best son anybody could
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: ask for, and she just clearly is like, has no
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: regrets whatsoever on having taken her own life. In the end,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: there's not a sense that she's sort of, oh, I
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: wound up killing myself. I wish I could take it back.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: It was worth it to have at least one kid
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: who doesn't who isn't a monster, basically, And I just
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: really appreciated this on Sanji's behalf. You know, there's a
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: feel to it for me of like almost it just
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: feels kind of like Sonji himself and how his attitude
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: of like I'm gonna take one for the team and
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: hope that it still kind of works out. You taken
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: after your mom there, buddy, that's a good thing. I
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. So yeah, I really I like this as
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: a development because I wasn't looking for it, as I like,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: when I opened the episode, I said, it turns out
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: there's a specific reason he's like this, and I had
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: just sort of thought it was failed science because science
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: will try and do its thing and not always succeed.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: And I was perfectly willing to accept that as the explanation,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: but I don't dislike that there is a further reasoning
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: behind it. And you know, I really like even though
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: we have him meet his mother earlier on, this is
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: a result. I'll be honest of my coverage of The
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Vorcos against Saga, which is something else I'm covering for
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: spoil me if if you're a science fiction fan and
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: you haven't been reading The Vorcos Against Saga, let me
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: tell you that you are missing out a lot. It's
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: one of the best series I've ever read, written by
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Lois McMaster Boujold, and she has a thing in that
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: series called the Uterine Replicator, which basically makes it so
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: that women no longer have to have body births. They
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: can have a pregnancy removed from their body and carried
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: to term in a machine, and that way the woman
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: doesn't suffer any of the effects of body changes that
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: happen that can be very, very risky, and it also
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: makes it so that some women who might not be
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: able to survive a pregnancy are able to and that
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: you know, if there is any concern about genetic disorders,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: they can like do something to manipulate those genes within
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: the replicator. So what I had been thinking about how
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: all this worked was his mother was simply the egg
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: source and not that she had actually been pregnant. And
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: when you stop and think about it, it is sort
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: of weird that it was a regular pregnancy. It's she
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: gave birth to all four of them at the same time,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: which well, I mean not simultaneously. Obviously they came out
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: one at a time, I'm assuming, But I just really
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: thought that it was going to be a because we
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: saw all of the men who are being literally grown
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: in these test tubes. I thought that that was how
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: he and his brothers were born as well, that it
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: was a sort of separate, out of body test tube
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: type thing. And you know, for whatever reason, he comes
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: out of the tube and it wasn't successful for him.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: But uh, it is a completely different like she gets
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: pregnant first and then they do the surgery on her
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: while she's pregnant to adjust their genes, which doesn't really
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: make a lot of sense, but it's for the story,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: I guess. You know that it's supposed to be her
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: being subjected to this thing. So it's fine. I'm like,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: it's just something that I think the reason that I
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: didn't expect it to go this way is a very
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: valid reason. It's just not really all that important in
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: the end. But so yeah, the whole thing here with
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Red Jews that you are exactly what our mother wanted
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: you to be, and you need to keep living for
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: her sake in order to carry on, like at least
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: one member of our family being a decent person. And
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: we see a really like awful scene of Soanji at
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: her grave side and his father turning up and just
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: being like, what the fuck are you doing giving flowers
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: to the dead. That is so pointless, and it's just
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: kind of funny, Like I believe that the way Judge
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: is written is explicitly meant to be this guy actually
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: doesn't have any real human feeling that bro is fucked up,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But were I to be
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: face to face with this guy and him talking like
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: this to me, I would be so tempted to mock
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: him for trying way too hard to behave as if
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: he doesn't care, because that's the vibe in this moment
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: to me is just you actually do give a shit
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: about a lot of stuff, but you don't want to
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: because you think that makes you weak, And so you're
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: out here posturing like a sad sack little pathetic man,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: trying to convince everybody else that nothing bothers you, and
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: I don't believe you, you know, And like I said,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: I think it really is supposed to be nothing bothers him.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: But I would believe in this moment that he doesn't
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: care about Sanji's mom specifically, just because it didn't seem
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: like he cared about her, like that's just That's the
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: thing with a lot of marriages that are done for
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: political reasons is that there's no particular affection necessary between
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: the two parties. So I'm perfectly willing to believe that
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: on that level, his indifference at this moment is genuine,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: just you know, try and just wanted to say that,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: but that in general, it would be kind of fun
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: for me storytelling wise if there was a moment that
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: we got to see some real emotion from him about
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: something and then him really quickly like trying to quell
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: it somehow and act as if it weren't happening, or
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: that no, it doesn't matter to me actually at all,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: you know, that kind of thing, because it's he isn't engineered.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: He isn't like his kids, so especially it would be
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: funny to me if like he were being shown up
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: by them. They were able to approach something without any
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: emotional attachment at all, but he wasn't able to do
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: that because he isn't manipulated genetically, and so is kind
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: of embarrassed at the fact that he is betraying emotional
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: reactions to something when his children aren't, and it turns
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: out that they're like, actually, he is, by his own metric,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: also really weak. You know, I think that would be
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: kind of fun, That's all I'm saying. But I don't
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: think it's likely that we're gonna get to see anything
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: like that because it just doesn't really seem on theme
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: with what we're supposed to be getting from like his
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: function in the story, if that makes sense. So let's see,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to jump ahead here to this moment
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: where we get the repeat of like his father kicking
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: him out of the house and saying like, don't like
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: do me a favor and don't tell anybody that you're
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: my son, because you're an embarrassment to me. YadA YadA,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: And then we come back eventually to his sister and
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: she says, needless to say, you're no failure. Your mother
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: gave her life to protect you and your humanity. Or
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: you are the future mother wanted to see, and that's
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: why you're kinder and more tender than anyone. And I
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: loved it. I just really do like this as a development.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: It's like she it's like his mother was like sort
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: of doing her own secret genetic project herself and didn't
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: nobody else knew about it. So actually he is a
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: great success in that direction for her project and what
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: it was she was attempting to accomplish. You know, I
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: think that's kind of fun. So also in this episode,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: we have the breakout from the Book of Lufi and
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Nami by Jimbay, and this is just, you know, it's fine.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: I really, really really every time he shows up, try
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: so hard to care about Jimbay. I really do, Guys.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: I'm not going into it with a bad attitude. I
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: swear like he shows up and there is a part
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: of me I won't lie that does kind of go ugh,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: But I catch myself and I go Okay, No, it's Jimbay,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: you know, like, let's see what he does. And it's
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: not like he ever does anything that is like overtly
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: bad or anything. If he did, maybe that would make
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: me care a little bit more. It's just that he
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: does exactly what needs doing and nothing more, with no
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: flare or razzle dazzle of his own to make it interesting.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: You know. It's just like he's so functional that it's
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: it's like he's like the hinge on a door. It
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: does what it needs to do. Great, glad we have it.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Do I ever think about it or notice it? No,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: I open the door, I'll notice it if it goes wrong. Sure,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: but like that's it. And Seraphim says, it's so weird
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: how you bounced off some of the most popular characters
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: in the show between Jimbay and VIVI. I will say this, Jimbay,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: I will not believe is one of the most popular
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: characters in the show. I am straight up calling horseshit
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: on that. And here's why. When I went to that
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: pop up in Houston for one piece, they had versions
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: of everything with all the characters, and Jimbay was all
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: that was left on like a ton of them, nobody
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: wanted him. He didn't sell. He was the only one
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: that remained for like the posters, a bunch of the
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: little figure greens, there were like pins and stuff. He's
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: the only one that they were like, you know, more
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: than ten or twenty left on each of those. It
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: was all Jimbay. So take that as you will. I
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: just don't think that that many people really like him
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: that much. It's like, maybe they can pay lip service,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: but when it comes down to who they want to
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: have hanging up in their little fandom holes, it's not him.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Seems like, you know, Florian says, I'm with Natasha with Jimbay,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I don't see jimbe and top ten lists of fave characters,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: so I believe it. Look and I will acknowledge that
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: like Vivi might be less annoying if you know her
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: more from the manga as well, or if it's like
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: maybe if I went back and watched her arc with
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Dub instead, But I've seen portions of it with Dub
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: and it didn't really seem to change very much for me,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: So I don't know. But yeah, I think Vivi is
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: just one of those characters that she checks all the
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: boxes for what should be fun and interesting in a character,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: and maybe people are willing to take it at that level,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: but I think in execution she sucks. And you know,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: what is most popular can be very baffling to me
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: sometimes anyway, Like before we had the whole Disney serieses
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: coming out of different characters from Star Wars. I knew
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Boba Fett was super popular, but I hadn't actually seen
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: the movies yet, And then when I did and I
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: saw that Boba Fet like kind of almost doesn't really
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: even do anything, and then just dies the fact that
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: he was so popular it was mind blowing to me.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I kept waiting for something with him and it was nothing.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: And my husband found it hilarious because he was also
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: kind of that way of like, I don't get why
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: people like this guy so much, so he was waiting
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: to see like my reaction once I saw the complete
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: exploits of Boba Fet and when I was like what
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: the fuck, he cracked up and was just like, yeah,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: I know, so people pick weird stuff sometimes to like
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: latch onto. This also happened in Like Stranger Things. People
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: were all about Barb for some reason, and it was
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: just a very strange, like you know why, but yeah,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: so uh, Florian says, we'll see about Vivi and a
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: live action maybe that will help well, And that's that's
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: kind of the thing, Like if they change a bunch
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: of things about the way she's portrayed in the show,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: it might help. Does it count though, if they change
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: a bunch of things in the way that she's portrayed,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: you know, like will will being like, now, I see
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: why you guys like Vivi. Does that mean anything? If
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: it's sort of yeah, they utterly altered a million things
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: about like telling her story. I'm still gonna be baffled
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: at people who like the anime version of her. I'll
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: still just be kind of why, you know, Yeah, she's
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: just I think also, guys, if I'm being real honest
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: too about some of my personal things with it her
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: being so like pacifist, I am in a place in
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: my life with what's going on historically right now where
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: I have fucking no tolerance for that anymore. And it
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: just is it feels like really childish in a way
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: that I just don't have the patience. So that being
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: such a big part of her character as we're battling
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: for her to be trying to stop the fighting just
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: because she doesn't want people to fight. It's not really
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: like it just doesn't move me. It's it feels like
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: a very self absorbed little kid being like I don't
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: like this and not seeing the big picture on like
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: why people are doing this because they were being oppressed
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: and exploited and lied to, you know what I mean,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know. Saraphim says, the Boba fet thing
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: was mostly him just looking awesome and then Old EU
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: making him live up to that. Okay, like but you know,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: it's sort of it's like that being the reason. Really
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: he just looked out like I guess, and not everybody
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: like the Old EU, Like a lot of people didn't
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: even have that as as a frame of reference. It
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: was purely the movies. So Florian says, I think it
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: will because what you dis like most was her way
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: about doing things, but you liked her basic idea, just
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: not the execution. And if idea stays the same but
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: execution is different in the live action dot dot dot,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: then it counts. Question mark. See that's it, dot dot
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: question mark, Like I can't decide if it really counts
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: because if her backstory is the same and her goals
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: are the same, but they handle her character in a
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: completely different way than Oda originally handled it. Now I
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: know Oda's deeply involved in the live action, and that
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: is where I am really really curious and would love
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: somebody to like interview him and ask him, like, if
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: they do change some things about her, is this evidence
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: that you regret handling Vivi in some of the ways
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: that you handled her. But he's also on record is
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: saying that he cried the whole time that he was
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: like writing the scene of her in the clock tower
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: yelling for everybody to stop fighting. So it seems like
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: that really resonated for him, and I don't see him
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: undoing that. So for me, it's maybe they'll have that
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: exact same scene and it will work for me this time,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's the maybe there is something about
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: changing the execution that will still make things like that work.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: It's we'll just have to see. But yeah, Jim Day,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: it's like I don't even dislike him. It's not like
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: I dislike him. He's just nothing. He's so boring. I
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: can't describe a single defining part of his personality other
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: than he shows up when he's needed. He's reliable. Like
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: that's it. I truly if you try to tell me
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: like he has a sense of humor, he has no
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: sense of humor. He likes this, he doesn't like that.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Would I would not be able to contest or support
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: any claim because he just does not do anything when
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: he's on screen really except be like Moofy's rad and
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: that's not a fucking personality, you know. So anyway, Sarah him,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: anyway back to book burning and Florian, Yay, we need
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: to talk about Brooke. Yeah, we'll get there. So eventually,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: like jim By tries, initially he knocks out like the
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: cream guy, and then he tries to like punch open
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: the cage that they are in, and it doesn't work,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: and he finally realizes like, oh shit, okay, yeah, that's
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: probably not too surprising that I'm not able to affect
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: this thing at all, and so he tries to figure
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: out another way around it because of this like book ability,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: and he lights the whole thing on fire and gets
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: them out of there, and Loofy, he hasn't eaten and
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: he has made a vow that he's not gonna eat
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: anything that Sanjy didn't make, so he has limited himself
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: quite a bit with that, and I am a little
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: saddened by it, because, like the whole Loofy can eat
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: some of the enemy because they're made of candy or
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: cookie or whatever. I was like very into that, but
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: now if he's made this vow, he's gonna be unwilling,
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: and that makes me very sad because I thought we
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: were gonna have a whole thing with that looks like not.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: It's funny to me though, that this second of the
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: two episodes is called Loofy's Vengeful hell Bent Dash because,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: like we do have the opening sequence of him, he
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: leaves behind Jim Bay and Nami and he is determined
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: to go off on his own. I don't really get
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: why he wants to like leave them behind exactly. I
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: don't remember if he was sort of saying like you guys,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: go help Brooke. I don't feel like that was said.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: But he splits off from them for whatever reason, and
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: we do see him like going down the hall and
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: getting into I think like third gear up against one
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: of these guys are no second year and saying, now
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: move it, you're in my way. But like almost the
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: whole rest of the episode. We never see him again
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: until like the very very last couple of seconds, which
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: is just kind of the moment of wrap up of
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: the first attack that happens in the opening. So it's
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: a weird thing to be like, that's what this episode's about.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: So we're titling it this and I'm like, that's not
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: almost at all in this episode, guys. So he as
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: he's like heading out that way. We then go back
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: to the fight with fucking Pedro, and you, guys, it
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: turns out that our egg man evolves when he is
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: cut open. I am in love with this. It is
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: so weird, y'all. I bro comes and stands up looking
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: like a giant chick with a fucking another teacup hat.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: By the way, I'm not really sure about the relationship
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: between the egg and the teacup. I am assuming it's
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: sort of meant to be like a reference to breakfast,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: that you that you have eggs at breakfast and you
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: have tea at breakfast. But I say that as like
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: this is the way it is in the US. I'm
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: not really sure if like that's explicitly breakfast stuff in
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: Japan the same way, But anyway, he uh begins to
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: fight with these like shorter blades, and honestly, this what's
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: the word iteration I guess of him. I really love
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: the design because now the egg thing makes a bit
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: more sense. It's like a chick sitting inside an eggshell,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: so he looks more appropriate to the overall design in
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: a way. But yeah, him and Pedro go up against
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: each other, and he is really laying it down for
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: a second on Pedro, and like you know, there's this
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: sort of like hail of blades that comes down on
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: him very very hard, and for a second I was like,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: oh shit, has he has he met his match? Like
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: Pedro's got a pretty intense cut out of one ear.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: But then we see him get sliced in half yet again,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: and so I'm like, okay, another egg yoke though another
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: egg yoke in that was what he came back from
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: last time. And so we begin to then see the
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: egg moving and there are two clearly like glowing eyes
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: in it and another beak that opens, and it's a
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: whole fucking thing where like this is just great. I
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: love it. So all of these dudes are like, oh shit,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: he's coming back. And now we're gonna gang up on
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: you too, and Pedro suddenly says perfect, like perfect timing
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: or something like that. I'm trying to see the moment.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: Because he stands still and waits for them to come
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: to him. They've all circled around him, basically, and he says, fine,
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: I'll stop and then now's my chance. That's what it is.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: And he's basically doing a suicide bomb and has this
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: giant strap of what looks like Looney Tunes TNT around
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: his body and says, it's nice to have so many
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: soldiers around lights this, and there is this massive explosion
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: and we just see red and the whole room go up,
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: and that is it. So do not know what is
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: happening there with him, Like I'm assuming that he probably survived,
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: but it really doesn't make sense that he survives something
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: like that. He's literally the bomb itself. We go back
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: to Smoothie also briefly here, and Smoothie is talking to
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: a guy who's got like a kind of flower thing
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: around his head and she's basically telling him we can't
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: let Mama know how bad things are going because she
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: will have one of her mood swings and ruin everything.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Before the wedding and she'll be so pissed at us,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: and he says something about, how like you will you
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: want us to lie to her, and she grips him
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: up for that, just for saying it, and it's like, no,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: because we will be put to death if we lie
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: to her. Just don't tell her anything. Make sure to
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: block them from getting to like the lower levels. And
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: then he says, all things considered, if we're in a hurry,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: it just might be easier to kill them, and she says,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: do whatever, you have my permission. And I think it's
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: very funny that as a commander, she wasn't the one
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: to be just like, go kill them as fast as
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: you can. She's the one saying, block the entrances off
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: and make it so that they can't get here. I mean,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: I think it ultimately will probably end up in the
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: same place, but so okay. Then we go to Brook.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: He is still trying to put up a fight and
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: gets laid out, and he manages to cut a single
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: slash in Prometheus's face, and I really thought that was
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: gonna be something that mattered. It isn't. It's like, it
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: seems like it's nothing, but he is like being held
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: in one hand by Big Mom and she's petting his
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: afro and just talking about like what a precious little
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: creature he is, and how he's got such guts because
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: like he was able to withstand so much despite being
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: merely bones. And she says something like, you know, you're
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: up and moving around even though you're just bones. It's
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: a miracle. And there was something about her saying it's
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: a miracle that I found very funny. And you know, he,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: like I said, he has, He's done his best. But
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: it's just like, these are definitely people that are on
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: a different level. And despite the fact that he doesn't win,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: she's even able to like give him credit about how
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: he took out a bunch of the Chess soldiers and
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: it's sort of like, hey, don't get down about it.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: They couldn't withstand your attack at all. It was still impressive,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: Like you still did something, and you guys. I just
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: can't hate Big Mom. I just can't her, just like, hey,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: look at the bright side, man, you are powerful to
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: some people, and I just found that extremely delightful. I
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: don't know. They strip Brooke of all of his clothing
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: to search and make sure that he hasn't stolen anything,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: and then she says something really interesting and she's like,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry to have suspected you, my pet, and she
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: just keeps stroking his head. Oh my god, and she says,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: but I can't let another person make it to Laftail
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: and mentions an ability that Roger had that was sort
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: of he says, the strange power to hear quote the
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: voice of all things, so he was able to interpret
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: this stone due to this ability. And she is saying
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: that they have somebody in their rank that she believes
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: is soon going to have the same power, which is
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: very interesting, super curious what that's like, Like, who is it?
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: How is that going to happen? And then we have
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: a very surprising moment because Putting walks in here, and
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: I fully thought, based on what she said in the
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: last episode that Big Mom knew Pudding's nature, but the
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: way that they interact here, I think Big Mom doesn't
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: know at all, which when you stop and think about
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: the scene where she tells Pudding, you're going to be
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: my little doll, actually kind of makes that make more sense.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: I was completely putting that down to like her saying this,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: because it's the role that putting is meant to play.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: But see now, like it's more I am telling you
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: this because I believe that you're too dim to like
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: do anything else. I guess. So Putting is pulling one
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: over on big Mom and all she says. Big Mom
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: says something like, I you have that rare three eyed
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: people's blood in your veins. If those special powers don't
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: ever come to fruition, then you're just a creepy looking weirdo.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: So we know that she has this ability in being
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: able to she ate the memo memo fruit, which is
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: what makes her able to manipulate people's memories. But I
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: don't know if, like the three eyed power seems to
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: be like a completely separate thing. I had thought the
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: three eyes was related to the memo memo fruit as well,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: that it was sort of like I can see into
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: your mind, you know, that kind of like metaphorical type
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: of thing. But no, it seems like it's a completely other,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: separate potential ability of hers. And maybe that's the translation
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: of the ponoglyph that she's talking about. Maybe it would
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: be Putting that did it. That would make sense, I guess,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: But we haven't met any other three eyed people I
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't know anyway, I'm way over time.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: Really good call of you guys to only make this
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: two episodes for this one, but I hope that you
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: all are enjoying the coverage. Thank you Sarahim and Florian
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: again for hanging out with me, and I hope that
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: everybody listening is enjoying the coverage. And until next time
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: to the loom.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: Motherfuckers.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: That was an unspoiled network podcast