Latest / Beyond The Horizon / Ghislaine Maxwell and the Rise and Fall of the TerraMar Project (8/26/26)
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- 0:00Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
- 0:04Speaker 1: Today for this look back episode, we're going to slide
- 0:07Speaker 1: back to 2019 and we're going to check out an
- 0:11Speaker 1: article from the New York Times about Ghislaine Maxwell and
- 0:16Speaker 1: her Terramar project. So let's dive right in. This article
- 0:21Speaker 1: was authored by Jacob Bernstein. Headline, whatever happened to Ghislaine
- 0:27Speaker 1: Maxwell's plan to save the oceans? The philanthropic works of
- 0:32Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's ex-girlfriend, co-conspirator, never materialized. Now, she is being
- 0:37Speaker 1: sued by one of his survivors. Boy, how things have
- 0:41Speaker 1: changed since 2019, huh? In 2014, Ghislaine Maxwell spoke at
- 0:51Speaker 1: a Council on Foreign Relations event in Washington, D.C. She
- 0:55Speaker 1: was there in her capacity as the founder of the
- 0:58Speaker 1: Taramar Project. an oceanic conservation group she started in 2012,
- 1:04Speaker 1: according to a CFR spokeswoman. Now, I did an episode
- 1:08Speaker 1: about the CFR recently and about their scumbag relationship, scumbag
- 1:12Speaker 1: behavior with Jeffrey Epstein, and it shouldn't shock anybody that
- 1:16Speaker 1: Ghislaine Maxwell was also involved with them as well. The
- 1:21Speaker 1: CFR is one of the world's most prestigious non-profit think tanks.
- 1:26Speaker 1: Among its officers and directors then were David Rockefeller, one
- 1:30Speaker 1: of the modern era's most revered philanthropists, Colin Powell, and
- 1:34Speaker 1: Robert Rubin, the Secretary of the Treasury under Bill Clinton.
- 1:39Speaker 1: A who's who of scumbags, basically, is what they're telling you.
- 1:43Speaker 1: David Rockefeller, huh? Yeah, his family sure worked out well
- 1:46Speaker 1: for everybody in this country. It shouldn't be a shock
- 1:49Speaker 1: to see somebody that was hanging out with Bill Clinton
- 1:52Speaker 1: on this either, and then Colin Powell, another guy that
- 1:55Speaker 1: ran around with this whole squeaky clean image. Until the
- 1:59Speaker 1: Iraq War came rolling around. The Terramar Project was an
- 2:04Speaker 1: organization with an opaque website, and a founder who happened
- 2:08Speaker 1: to be the ex-girlfriend, co-conspirator, general all-around scuzzbag of Jeffrey Epstein,
- 2:13Speaker 1: the mysterious money manager who, in addition to being one
- 2:17Speaker 1: of the CFRs, chairman circle donors for at least six
- 2:21Speaker 1: years had pleaded guilty in 2008 to state charges of
- 2:25Speaker 1: soliciting prostitution from a minor Now Epstein wasn't just a
- 2:31Speaker 1: member of the CFR He was one of the CFR's
- 2:34Speaker 1: chairman circle donors meaning Epstein was donating a ton of
- 2:39Speaker 1: money to the CFR for sure now in the article
- 2:42Speaker 1: we read earlier we heard that the CFR donated the
- 2:46Speaker 1: money to that they received from Epstein. But again, why
- 2:50Speaker 1: are you even accepting this money in the first place? Mr.
- 2:58Speaker 1: Epstein spent the next year in county jail, becoming a
- 3:01Speaker 1: symbol of the super rich getting away with crimes that
- 3:04Speaker 1: seem likely to send ordinary people to prison for far longer. Oh,
- 3:09Speaker 1: seem to be? Guess what, folks? If you commit any
- 3:11Speaker 1: of these crimes, you're going to prison forever. I promise
- 3:14Speaker 1: you that. There's not going to be any of this nonsense.
- 3:17Speaker 1: You're not going to have Lefkowitz behind the scenes working
- 3:20Speaker 1: a deal out for you. You're not going to have
- 3:22Speaker 1: Dershowitz up there fighting for you. You're certainly not going
- 3:25Speaker 1: to have Ken Starr there. Ms. Maxwell herself would be
- 3:31Speaker 1: a party to confidential settlements with at least two other
- 3:35Speaker 1: people who said that they were survivors of Mr. Epstein
- 3:38Speaker 1: and that Ms. Maxwell was responsible for recruiting them. And
- 3:42Speaker 1: we know now, obviously, with hindsight as our friend, that
- 3:45Speaker 1: Ghislaine Maxwell ended up getting charged and convicted of those crimes.
- 3:52Speaker 1: She has never been charged with any crime. Now she has.
- 3:54Speaker 1: and continues to deny wrongdoing. Like I said then, and
- 3:58Speaker 1: I'll say now, she was lying, she was involved, and
- 4:01Speaker 1: I was very comfortable saying it, considering the evidence that
- 4:04Speaker 1: we had presented to us. Look, if this was some
- 4:06Speaker 1: kind of gray area and we didn't have a ton
- 4:08Speaker 1: of evidence, I would never be running my mouth the
- 4:11Speaker 1: way I am. I'm not one of these people that, oh,
- 4:13Speaker 1: I'm sure of this. No way, unless I have evidence
- 4:16Speaker 1: to back up what I have to say and something
- 4:18Speaker 1: such as this. This, you know, this is serious stuff, right?
- 4:22Speaker 1: You're talking about sexual assault and ruining people's lives both ways.
- 4:26Speaker 1: So you better be damn sure you know what you're
- 4:28Speaker 1: talking about. We were unaware of the allegations against Ms.
- 4:36Speaker 1: Maxwell at the time of the event, the CFR spokeswoman
- 4:39Speaker 1: wrote in an email. The spokeswoman added that Mr. Epstein's
- 4:42Speaker 1: membership was revoked in 2009 because he did not pay
- 4:46Speaker 1: his membership dues while in jail. Not because he was
- 4:48Speaker 1: in jail. Not because he was a sex trafficker. Not
- 4:51Speaker 1: because he was a sick fucking demented man. But because
- 4:54Speaker 1: he didn't pay his dues. That's why he had his
- 4:57Speaker 1: shit suspended. Imagine? How many times have we talked about it?
- 5:00Speaker 1: The only crime you can have... If you're part of
- 5:03Speaker 1: this group, the so-called elite is being broke. Mr. Epstein,
- 5:09Speaker 1: after facing new charges of sex trafficking this year, died
- 5:12Speaker 1: in jail on August 10th from what officials said was suicide, allegedly.
- 5:18Speaker 1: And the Taramar project has been disbanded, though, according to
- 5:21Speaker 1: the New York Post, an FBI probe of it is underway.
- 5:26Speaker 1: In the wake of Mr. Epstein's death, attention now turns
- 5:29Speaker 1: to the woman who, often accused of being his enabler.
- 5:33Speaker 1: The striving socialite, co-conspirator, general all-around scuzzbag, bipedal serpent, daughter
- 5:38Speaker 1: of a disgraced billionaire. Look, Maxwell was always one of
- 5:44Speaker 1: the key targets here. She was always in the headlights.
- 5:48Speaker 1: And the only people that weren't paying attention to that
- 5:51Speaker 1: were the legacy media, with their alleged and calling her
- 5:54Speaker 1: a socialite. When the writing was on the wall, Look
- 5:59Speaker 1: how quickly the legacy media, doesn't matter what their tilt is,
- 6:03Speaker 1: look how quickly they're willing to talk shit about people
- 6:08Speaker 1: or say somebody is this, that, or the other thing.
- 6:11Speaker 1: And then look how cautious they were when they were
- 6:13Speaker 1: talking about Maxwell and Epstein and the people around them.
- 6:17Speaker 1: I wonder why that is. Philanthropy is reputation management. According
- 6:23Speaker 1: to tax filings from 2013 to 2017, the organization gave
- 6:29Speaker 1: no money in grants. A representative for the Taramar Project
- 6:33Speaker 1: said in a statement that the work of the organization
- 6:36Speaker 1: included helping organize the March for the Ocean in Washington,
- 6:40Speaker 1: a campaign to reduce the number of littered cigarette butts,
- 6:44Speaker 1: and publication of the Daily Catch, an oceanic conservation newsletter.
- 6:49Speaker 1: The Terramar Project also obtained a partnership with the luxury
- 6:53Speaker 1: bedding company, Yves Delorme, on a collection of water-inspired sheets, pillowcases,
- 6:59Speaker 1: and comforters. Oh, isn't that nice? Let's jump into bed
- 7:02Speaker 1: with Ghislaine Maxwell because, you know, there was no signs
- 7:06Speaker 1: that she was a sick person. Really what it was?
- 7:12Speaker 1: All the signs were there, folks. These people didn't care.
- 7:16Speaker 1: Ewan Relly, a British investment banker and society fixer, who
- 7:23Speaker 1: encountered Ms. Maxwell at several events over the decades, though
- 7:26Speaker 1: the charity, as she explained to him, sounded at least
- 7:29Speaker 1: in part to be a form of reputation management. And
- 7:34Speaker 1: we already know that's what they did. They use these
- 7:36Speaker 1: charities as a shield. They all do. Every single one
- 7:39Speaker 1: of them. Christopher Mason, a reporter and longtime friend of Ms. Maxwell's,
- 7:45Speaker 1: said he wondered if her primary motivation for starting the
- 7:48Speaker 1: foundation was oceanic conservation or the conservation of Ghislaine Maxwell,
- 7:55Speaker 1: creating a respectable calling card for someone whose reputation was
- 7:59Speaker 1: in jeopardy. This is the go-to move for the so-called elite, right? Oh,
- 8:03Speaker 1: you're having problems? Build yourself a new reputation. You'll be fine.
- 8:08Speaker 1: But I don't think it's going to work this time around,
- 8:10Speaker 1: and I certainly don't think it was working when you
- 8:13Speaker 1: were talking about the Taramar project. And it was in jeopardy.
- 8:19Speaker 1: The day before Mr. Epstein's death, a trove of documents
- 8:22Speaker 1: were released in connection with a defamation suit that Virginia
- 8:25Speaker 1: Roberts filed against Ms. Maxwell. Ms. Roberts said that at
- 8:29Speaker 1: age 16, she was recruited by Ms. Maxwell and forced
- 8:33Speaker 1: into being a sex slave. Ms. Maxwell called Ms. Roberts
- 8:36Speaker 1: a liar, was sued, and settled. In a deposition, a
- 8:40Speaker 1: former maintenance worker at Mr. Epstein's home described Ms. Maxwell
- 8:43Speaker 1: scouting scores of massage, spas, and parlors in Florida from
- 8:48Speaker 1: Palm Beach to Jupiter for Mr. Epstein. A college student
- 8:52Speaker 1: said she was scouted by Ms. Maxwell and that she
- 8:55Speaker 1: was punished by Ms. Maxwell when she failed to sexually
- 8:58Speaker 1: satisfy Mr. Epstein. Now, Jennifer Arreos has filed suit against Ms.
- 9:03Speaker 1: Maxwell and others, saying that she was recruited as a
- 9:06Speaker 1: freshman in high school and raped by Mr. Epstein. Now,
- 9:10Speaker 1: these are all allegations that we're all very familiar with
- 9:13Speaker 1: at this point, being that we're in 2022 now. But
- 9:18Speaker 1: at the time when all of this stuff was coming out,
- 9:21Speaker 1: it was coming out furiously, folks, and fast. So it
- 9:24Speaker 1: was hard to keep an account of who was doing
- 9:28Speaker 1: what and who was accusing who of what. So it
- 9:32Speaker 1: was a pretty confusing time. Ms. Maxwell had negligible experience
- 9:38Speaker 1: as an environmental activist. Her preferred method of ocean going
- 9:41Speaker 1: was aboard a luxury yacht, which according to Mr. Mason,
- 9:45Speaker 1: was for her preeminent symbol of status and freedom. It
- 9:48Speaker 1: was through boating that she drew her inspiration for the foundation.
- 9:53Speaker 1: You know, what's with all of these oligarchs, ours and otherwise,
- 9:56Speaker 1: with these yachts? Like it's this big symbol. First of all,
- 10:00Speaker 1: why don't you go on your yacht and sail it
- 10:02Speaker 1: directly into the next hurricane? You'll be doing the whole
- 10:05Speaker 1: world a huge favor. She spent much of her time
- 10:10Speaker 1: in the late 1980s on the Lady Galane, a nearly
- 10:13Speaker 1: 200-foot boat owned by her father, the media mogul, Robert Maxwell.
- 10:17Speaker 1: It had a jacuzzi, a sauna, a gym, and a
- 10:20Speaker 1: private disco. Deep in debt, he built the pensions of
- 10:24Speaker 1: thousands of his employees, and his body was discovered in
- 10:27Speaker 1: the ocean off the Canary Islands, where he had taken
- 10:31Speaker 1: the Lady Ghislaine in 1991. The death was ruled an accident.
- 10:36Speaker 1: The family reportedly lost almost everything, including the boat. Now again,
- 10:41Speaker 1: I don't know if it was an accident or not,
- 10:44Speaker 1: When you're dealing with that kind of pressure, as far
- 10:47Speaker 1: as you owe a bunch of money, yeah, sure, the
- 10:49Speaker 1: chances are you could kill yourself. But you're also dealing
- 10:52Speaker 1: with a man who was an asset for several different
- 10:56Speaker 1: intelligence agencies. And if you're going down in flames for
- 10:59Speaker 1: financial crimes, chances are you're willing to give up your
- 11:04Speaker 1: sources and contacts and everything else to prosecutors for a
- 11:08Speaker 1: more lenient deal. So... Again, I'm very agnostic when it
- 11:12Speaker 1: comes to Robert Maxwell's death. Ms. Maxwell, then living in
- 11:17Speaker 1: New York, became known for her romantic relationship with Epstein. Oh,
- 11:21Speaker 1: please spare me. No romance there. Who was an all-purpose
- 11:25Speaker 1: advisor for the billionaire Les Wexner. Mr. Wexner said in
- 11:29Speaker 1: a letter to the Wexner Foundation that, in 2007, he
- 11:33Speaker 1: discovered misappropriation of his funds by Mr. Epstein. One of
- 11:37Speaker 1: Epstein's duties was handling contracts for the limitless, a mammoth
- 11:41Speaker 1: yacht bought by Mr. Wexner and designed by Bannenberg and Rowell.
- 11:47Speaker 1: Miss Maxwell was eager to get aboard when it was finished,
- 11:50Speaker 1: but never did, according to Craig DeFoya, its former captain. Oh,
- 11:54Speaker 1: of course, have to get her seedy-ass gross hands on
- 11:57Speaker 1: it as well. Let me go and check out Les'
- 12:00Speaker 1: luxury yacht. Ghislaine would always call me and say, I'm
- 12:04Speaker 1: coming down to use the boat with some friends. I
- 12:07Speaker 1: would always tell her, I have to call the owner.
- 12:09Speaker 1: I can't just let you on the boat. And she
- 12:11Speaker 1: would never show up, said Mr. Tafoya, who took this
- 12:14Speaker 1: to mean she never got permission. She did that half
- 12:18Speaker 1: a dozen times. And in talking to a guy who
- 12:21Speaker 1: worked for Bannenberg, he said she does that all the time.
- 12:24Speaker 1: She does it when she's in front of all of
- 12:26Speaker 1: her girlfriends and wants to brag she can go use
- 12:29Speaker 1: someone's yacht. Her plan B. And you know, it's typical
- 12:33Speaker 1: of these people, right? They're very name-droppy. They can't, you know,
- 12:37Speaker 1: it's not good enough for them that they have their
- 12:39Speaker 1: own millions. They have to drop the names of their
- 12:41Speaker 1: buddies as well. Ted Wade is the tech billionaire, co-founder
- 12:47Speaker 1: of Gateway Incorporated, who became Ms. Maxwell's boyfriend after she
- 12:51Speaker 1: and Epstein broke up. They didn't break up. Plan B,
- 12:55Speaker 1: the yacht Ms. Maxwell helped him obtain and renovate, brought
- 12:58Speaker 1: her to Croatia and the south of France. His check
- 13:01Speaker 1: writing helped secure her place at conferences as they replaced
- 13:05Speaker 1: benefit galas as the first tier social gatherings of the
- 13:09Speaker 1: late aughts. That was essential to getting the Taramar project
- 13:14Speaker 1: off the ground. So Ted Waits was this billionaire dude
- 13:17Speaker 1: that Maxwell was shacked up with after her and Epstein
- 13:20Speaker 1: had their quote unquote falling out, which really was just
- 13:24Speaker 1: a reevaluation of their, you know, organization. So she went
- 13:29Speaker 1: off and met up with Ted Waits, ended up being
- 13:32Speaker 1: his chick, his girlfriend, his whatever, and obviously was using
- 13:37Speaker 1: his checkbook to, you know, support her gallivanting. When he
- 13:47Speaker 1: met Ms. Maxwell, Mr. Wade had a stringy, graying ponytail
- 13:51Speaker 1: and wore a drab suits. After she became his girlfriend, Mr.
- 13:55Speaker 1: Waite shaved his head, started wearing tinted glasses, and became
- 13:59Speaker 1: a virtual doppelganger to Jason Statham. Oh, well, in that case.
- 14:04Speaker 1: There was even a submarine put aboard Plan B that
- 14:06Speaker 1: Miss Maxwell knew how to pilot. She began deep sea diving,
- 14:10Speaker 1: which she said is how she discovered human-made debris all
- 14:15Speaker 1: over the ocean floor. You know, where are the giant
- 14:19Speaker 1: squid when you need them? A large-ass kraken to grab
- 14:22Speaker 1: the submarine? Boy, that'd have been nice. Four people remember Ms.
- 14:27Speaker 1: Maxwell talking of journeying to the center of the Pacific
- 14:30Speaker 1: Ocean in an attempt to find, she said, Amelia Earhart's
- 14:34Speaker 1: plane and body. Oh yeah, because the body is still
- 14:37Speaker 1: going to be there after all of these years. No
- 14:39Speaker 1: sea creatures would have gotten to it by now, Ms. Maxwell.
- 14:43Speaker 1: The conviction of Mr. Epstein and subsequently bad press from Ms.
- 14:47Speaker 1: Maxwell wore on Mr. Waite, friends said. In 2010, they
- 14:49Speaker 1: broke up. but Mr. Wade had donated at least $ 10
- 14:54Speaker 1: million to the William J. Clinton Foundation. That helped Ms.
- 14:58Speaker 1: Maxwell keep some access to the world of the Clintons.
- 15:01Speaker 1: She used connections forged at their summits to help with
- 15:04Speaker 1: the 2012 start of the Taramar Project. So, this is
- 15:08Speaker 1: right here from the New York Times itself, folks. Where
- 15:11Speaker 1: are all of the people, all of the weird-ass blue
- 15:14Speaker 1: check marks that want to talk about the Epstein case
- 15:17Speaker 1: to leverage it for their own, you know, political... Bend?
- 15:22Speaker 1: Where are they when they're talking about this in the Clintons?
- 15:26Speaker 1: It's funny. You can always tell who has interest in
- 15:29Speaker 1: actually blowing this case wide open and those who only
- 15:32Speaker 1: have interest of using it as a political mallet to
- 15:36Speaker 1: bash over the heads of their rivals. And the people
- 15:38Speaker 1: that are only using this case as a political tool,
- 15:41Speaker 1: you people can get fucked too. All oceans are interconnected
- 15:47Speaker 1: and related. It's all one sea, Ms. Maxwell said to
- 15:50Speaker 1: a reporter for the Mother Nature Network in a 2012 interview.
- 15:55Speaker 1: It's the one major area of the world where we
- 15:57Speaker 1: can be one species with one home and one common destiny. Yeah, okay, sure, Ms. Maxwell.
- 16:06Speaker 1: The Tarahumara website trumpeted the support of Of well-connected founding
- 16:11Speaker 1: citizens like Richard Branson, a maritime Asseline, a founder of
- 16:15Speaker 1: the luxury coffee table books, publisher that bears her name. Oh,
- 16:20Speaker 1: good old Richard Branson, huh? Another scuzzbag. He just bought
- 16:24Speaker 1: a property here in Las Vegas, the old Hard Rock,
- 16:27Speaker 1: and they turned it into the Virgin Resorts. In 2013, Ms.
- 16:33Speaker 1: Maxwell went to Reykjavik and participated in a conference for
- 16:37Speaker 1: the Arctic Circles. Scott Borgerson, a former Coast Guard officer
- 16:41Speaker 1: and a one-time Council on Foreign Relations fellow, also attended.
- 16:45Speaker 1: He also appeared with her at the 2014 talk for
- 16:48Speaker 1: the CFR and, according to numerous friends of Ms. Maxwell,
- 16:52Speaker 1: became her boyfriend. Three of those friends said she later
- 16:55Speaker 1: described him to them as a Navy SEAL. Mr. Borgerson
- 16:59Speaker 1: declined to comment. You know, what's the deal with everybody
- 17:02Speaker 1: thinking that they're Navy SEALs? He had Jeffrey Epstein running
- 17:05Speaker 1: around with these medals on. He got Borgerson acting like
- 17:07Speaker 1: he's a Navy SEAL. Bro was in the Coast Guard.
- 17:10Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that. A lot of honor to be
- 17:12Speaker 1: in the Coast Guard. Why are you faking the funk, though?
- 17:16Speaker 1: Around that time, the Clinton Global Initiative announced a commitment
- 17:19Speaker 1: to action from the Terramar Project. Little exists that it
- 17:23Speaker 1: amounted to much. The fact that they were in bed
- 17:27Speaker 1: together should be enough. And the fact that this is
- 17:30Speaker 1: in the New York Times itself and the New York
- 17:32Speaker 1: Times isn't going hard here and really looking to solidify
- 17:37Speaker 1: things as far as Clinton's involvement, again, tells you everything
- 17:40Speaker 1: you need to know. And that's why I just don't
- 17:42Speaker 1: trust anything they have to say for the most part.
- 17:47Speaker 1: The tax returns of the Terramar project show that between
- 17:50Speaker 1: 2013 and 2017, the organization received $ 196, 000 in public support
- 17:51Speaker 1: and paid out, in various expenses, more than $ 600, 000, requiring
- 17:54Speaker 1: loans from its president, Ms. Maxwell, totaling $ 549, 093. Yeah, just,
- 17:56Speaker 1: you know, some pocket change for Glenn Maxwell. The filings
- 18:13Speaker 1: do not provide names of the firms or individuals to
- 18:16Speaker 1: whom those payments were made. No programs were started for
- 18:19Speaker 1: work in the field. No grants were given. Just another
- 18:23Speaker 1: money laundering washing operation. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less, folks.
- 18:28Speaker 1: And again, what happened to them? Nothing. No penalties. No repercussions.
- 18:34Speaker 1: Over all these terms, not a single dollar, said Mike Crabtree,
- 18:37Speaker 1: a tax partner at Boulay, a CPA firm in Minneapolis.
- 18:41Speaker 1: The returns don't really show what's going on, where the
- 18:43Speaker 1: money is going, and what it's being used for. In 2014,
- 18:48Speaker 1: Terramar's accounting and legal fees were more than $ 50, 000, an
- 18:52Speaker 1: unusually high number given the size and activity of the organization,
- 18:57Speaker 1: according to Mr. Crabtree. I don't know if suspicious is
- 19:00Speaker 1: the word I'd use, but to generate those kinds of fees,
- 19:03Speaker 1: a lot more would have to be going on than
- 19:06Speaker 1: this would reflect, he said. As Mr. Epstein, at last,
- 19:09Speaker 1: was charged in July with conducting a sex trafficking operation
- 19:13Speaker 1: that investigators say resulted in the sexual assault of dozens
- 19:16Speaker 1: of minors, the Taramar project shut down. Of course it did.
- 19:21Speaker 1: But during that whole time, while Epstein was still running
- 19:24Speaker 1: around and still procuring young girls, Maxwell was still benefiting,
- 19:29Speaker 1: and all of these scumbags from Clinton on down were
- 19:32Speaker 1: helping her out. It left a farewell message on its website,
- 19:37Speaker 1: saying it had sought to connect ocean lovers to positive actions,
- 19:40Speaker 1: highlight science, and bring conscious change to how people from
- 19:44Speaker 1: across the globe can live, work, and enjoy the ocean. Meanwhile,
- 19:49Speaker 1: we all know what it really was for. She doesn't
- 19:51Speaker 1: care about the ocean any more than she cares about
- 19:54Speaker 1: you or me. Just another con artist running a con.
- 19:59Speaker 1: If you'd like to contact me, you can do that
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