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MOTEL 'FULL OF BLOOD' AFTER MURDERS OF HOLLYWOOD LEGEND ROB REINER & WIFE MICHELE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: A hotel full of blood discovered after the murders of
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Speaker 2: a Hollywood legend, the iconic Rob Reiner and his beautiful wife,
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Speaker 2: Michelle Singer. Reiner both stabbed Dad, multiple stab wounds, both
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Speaker 2: their throats.
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Speaker 3: Slit in their own home.
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Speaker 2: I mean, see, Grace, this is crime Stories. I want
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Speaker 2: to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 4: Bub Reiner, an accomplished Hollywood director, has it all, a
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Speaker 4: thriving career, a beautiful family, and a picture perfect life.
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Speaker 4: But behind the scenes, deep family struggles begin to arise.
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Speaker 2: As information is now lee king out, we hear the
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Speaker 2: original NA one to a fire department.
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Speaker 3: Listen here one c.
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Speaker 5: L SO.
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Speaker 6: Approximately three point forty this afternoon, Los Ange Police officers,
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Speaker 6: along with the Los Angeles City Fire Department, responded to
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Speaker 6: the two hundred block of Chadbourne Avenue here in the
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Speaker 6: city of Brentwood. Upon arrival, they determined that there were
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Speaker 6: two deceased individuals inside of the residents.
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Speaker 2: Joining us tonight, Jessica Finn, senior investigative reporter US Sun,
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Speaker 2: whose latest article deals with what led up that night
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Speaker 2: to the murders of Rob.
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Speaker 3: Reiner and wife Michelle Singer Reiner.
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Speaker 2: Tell me about how the fire department ended up being
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Speaker 2: the first responder.
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Speaker 3: Let's just start right there.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, Nancy, So apparently Rob and Michelle Reiner had a
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Speaker 7: planned massage appointment that afternoon on during the afternoon on Sunday,
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Speaker 7: and when they didn't answer the door, the messuse kept
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Speaker 7: trying to call and knock and ring the bell, and
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Speaker 7: eventually she decided that she was going to leave, and
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Speaker 7: so they're orders came across the streets. She lives right
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Speaker 7: across the road, and decided to check on her parents,
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Speaker 7: and that's when she discovered that her parents were no
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Speaker 7: longer with us. And she called nine one one. And
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Speaker 7: what's interesting about that nine one one call?
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Speaker 2: Do she immediately sure, Jessica no longer with us? Okay, Jessica,
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Speaker 2: I am a crime victim of violent crime. I've devoted
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Speaker 2: my life to seeking the truth in our criminal justice system.
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Speaker 3: I am a former learning prosecutor.
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Speaker 2: Who specialized in murders, serial rape, serial chimeless station in
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Speaker 2: arson of any type. So it's not that they are
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Speaker 2: no longer with us. They were murdered. And I'm going
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Speaker 2: to explain tonight, along with this panel of experts, how
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Speaker 2: police knew immediately when they entered that home.
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Speaker 3: This was no suicide. Pack was no suicide murder.
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Speaker 2: They knew that Robiner beloved and his wife, the inspiration
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Speaker 2: for the end of When Harry Met Sally, were murdered. Okay,
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Speaker 2: you know what, Jessica, I want to go to Doctor
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Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall joining us tonight renounce psycho analysts from.
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Speaker 3: This jurisdiction, author of deal Breaker.
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Speaker 2: You can see her now on Peacock and you can
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Speaker 2: find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
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Speaker 3: Doctor Bethany Marshall.
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Speaker 2: I've been to many, well countless murder scenes, but it
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Speaker 2: sticks in my mind my own dad at his funeral,
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Speaker 2: when I hugged him in the coffin and fixed his hair.
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Speaker 3: Again.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes I wish I had never done that, because that's
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Speaker 2: that memory. I can't imagine what it does to a child.
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Speaker 2: This is romy they're one of their children who lived
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Speaker 2: across the street from them, comes over walking in thinking
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Speaker 2: hey Mom and Dad, Mom, Dad, no answer, nothing.
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Speaker 3: The TV's not on, the Christmas music's not playing. What
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Speaker 3: and then she finds their bodies.
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Speaker 2: She will never get that out of her mind, and
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Speaker 2: she must have not been able to accept it at first,
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Speaker 2: like why are mom and dad in the floor, and
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Speaker 2: only to discover.
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Speaker 3: They had multiple stab.
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Speaker 2: Wounds, multiple which Jove Scott's gonna probably tell us in
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Speaker 2: a few moments that subdued them before their throats were slashed.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Bethany, rob Reiner was one of the kindest
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Speaker 2: people I've ever met.
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Speaker 3: I happened, he happened to be friendly for no reason.
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Speaker 3: He didn't have to do that.
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Speaker 2: He's an icon when we were living out there during
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Speaker 2: Dancing with the Stars and was just an amazing person.
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Speaker 2: You know, one of those people that their warmth and
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Speaker 2: their generosity just shines out and you can spot them
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Speaker 2: a mile away. That's him. And someone asked was a
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Speaker 2: secret to a happy marriage? And he said, Mary, somebody happy.
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Speaker 2: So I'm guessing his wife Michelle saying temperament. But back
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Speaker 2: to the daughter stumbling upon her parents, trying to make
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Speaker 2: sense of it, finding them slaughtered in their own home.
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Speaker 3: She will never get past that, Bethany.
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Speaker 8: Nancy. I have an unforgettable memory about you your book
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Speaker 8: signing many years ago. Everybody was leaving and I heard
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Speaker 8: this blood curdling scream and I thought, who just screamed?
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Speaker 8: And it was you, and what had happened was your
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Speaker 8: dad had fainted, and you were so concerned that you screamed.
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Speaker 8: You love your dad so much and you were so
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Speaker 8: scared to see him like that. And I will never
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Speaker 8: forget that, Nancy, And I think about this daughter who
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Speaker 8: lived across the street from her. That's how close this
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Speaker 8: family was. Her kids were with grandma and grandpa every
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Speaker 8: single day. Coming across a scene like that, seeing your
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Speaker 8: parents stabbed, and all of a sudden reality, the reality
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Speaker 8: that something has happened to them, matches some sense of
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Speaker 8: did somebody and my family contribute to this? You know, Nancy,
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Speaker 8: Trauma is not just what happens to us. It's witnessing
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Speaker 8: something horrible happening to the people we love the most.
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Speaker 1: That's more.
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Speaker 8: That's more traumatic than an individual being raped or you know, accosted, assaulted,
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Speaker 8: something bad happening to them is looking at the people
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Speaker 8: they loved the most and seeing that something bad happened
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Speaker 8: to that person. That person's dead, that person's in the
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Speaker 8: hospital bed, that person has had some horrible accident or disfigurement.
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Speaker 8: And that's this poor daughter had to go through, not
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Speaker 8: only her parents, but Grandma and grandpa to her kids
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Speaker 8: seen that they had suffered in this violent, violent scene.
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Speaker 3: You know, Bethany, you just brought up a really good point.
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Speaker 2: And guys, we are getting right back to the facts, okay,
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Speaker 2: what we know as of tonight. But Bethany, you just ignited,
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Speaker 2: reignited a memory. We used to live right across the
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Speaker 2: street from my mother's mother, my mama Lucy that I
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Speaker 2: named my.
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Speaker 3: Daughter after she upraised us. And it was very, very loving.
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Speaker 2: And I think that's a testament to Rhiner and Singer
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Speaker 2: his wife, because their daughter chose everywhere she could live.
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Speaker 2: You know, they gave her whatever she wanted, they you know,
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Speaker 2: out of love that she demanded it, but she chose
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Speaker 2: to live directly across the street from them like we
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Speaker 2: did across from my grandmother, my mama.
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Speaker 3: That tells me how close the family was and.
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Speaker 8: How well that is important, Nancy, because of what you're saying,
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Speaker 8: the family was close, but also whoever did this to
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Speaker 8: a husband and wife who were actually quite loving and
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Speaker 8: close to their family and provided everything for their children
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Speaker 8: and their grandchildren. And we have to hold that in
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Speaker 8: our minds as we talk about this double homicide, that
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Speaker 8: these were very, very very loving parents and grandparents.
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Speaker 9: LAPD responded to a residence the residents of Rob and
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Speaker 9: Michelle Reiner, located in West Los Angeles Division. At that location,
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Speaker 9: they found two deceased adults, a male and a female.
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Speaker 9: Through the night, working with the Coroner's office, they were
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Speaker 9: able to identify them definitively as Rob and Michelle Reiner.
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Speaker 10: Unable to get in touch with their parents all day Sunday,
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Speaker 10: Rummy Reinder decides to make a house visit. Around three
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Speaker 10: point thirty, Rummy lets herself into their Brentwood home and
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Speaker 10: discovers a horror scene. Rob and Michelle Reiner stabbed and
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Speaker 10: their throats slit.
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Speaker 2: You were hearing Chief Jim McDonald LAPD. Now earlier you
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Speaker 2: were hearing from the Deputy Chief, Alan Hamilton.
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Speaker 3: This is from our friends at Fox eleven. You know I.
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Speaker 2: Noticed at the get go, at the very get go,
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Speaker 2: straight out to Rob Shooter joining us p R Guru
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Speaker 2: who has worked with every Hollywood celebrity.
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Speaker 3: I can think of.
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Speaker 2: Author of a brand new book and it's amazing. It's
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Speaker 2: on Amazon titled It Started with a Whisper, Rob. Did
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Speaker 2: you notice at the beginning, at the very beginning, Hamilton,
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Speaker 2: Deputy Chief Hamilton did not reveal who the deceased were.
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Speaker 2: I mean, anyone, especially in our business, could figure out
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Speaker 2: that it's Reiner and his wife because they said an
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Speaker 2: adult male, adult female aged seventy eight and sixty eight
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Speaker 2: found in the home of Hollywood legend Rob Reiner. I'm like,
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Speaker 2: who else can it be? So we knew, but the
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Speaker 2: LA Law enforcement would not stated.
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Speaker 3: Did you notice that? I wonder why I did? I did?
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Speaker 11: I noticed this. I find my experience and I've been
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Speaker 11: doing this a long time, Nancy is the police departments
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Speaker 11: are very very cautious, very very careful. Their pr departments,
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Speaker 11: their spokespeople never ever want to put out information that
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Speaker 11: they have to change. So they always air on the
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Speaker 11: side of being cautious. Why would they not. Now as reporters,
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Speaker 11: as journalists, we hit the phones, we talked to our sources.
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Speaker 11: We use our common sense here, and so I think
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Speaker 11: this was once again an example of a police department
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Speaker 11: being cautious. Probably a good idea. However, I do think
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Speaker 11: there probably should be some changes here. As technology has progressed.
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Speaker 11: You can see things now on social media. We were
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Speaker 11: watching videos from outside the host the house being live streamed.
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Speaker 11: Nancy and so the news has really picked up its pace.
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Speaker 11: It's fast, it's changing every ten to fifteen minutes. The
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Speaker 11: police department have yet to catch up with that reality.
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Speaker 2: You know, Rob, Can I see the video of Ryaner
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Speaker 2: playing with his dog again, specifically that side shot of
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Speaker 2: him the first time I met him, very very kind.
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Speaker 2: I was dashing out at studio City of Dancing with
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Speaker 2: the Stars on one of the very first nights, actually
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Speaker 2: trying to find my mom and dad, who had come
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Speaker 2: and moved down the hall from us to help me
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Speaker 2: take care of the twins. And I ran by a
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Speaker 2: guy standing on the very top step going down this big, big,
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Speaker 2: big stair stair entrance, and it was him, and he
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Speaker 2: went Nancy, and I turned around and I looked at him,
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Speaker 2: and at first I thought it was his father, because
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Speaker 2: they look very similar. And of course when you see
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Speaker 2: him in all of his professional photos, he's all different
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Speaker 2: than he looks in that and the video we're showing you.
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Speaker 3: But that's how he looked.
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Speaker 2: That night when I first saw the photo, I mean,
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Speaker 2: the video of him with the dog. That's how he
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Speaker 2: looked that night, and except he had on this really
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Speaker 2: gorgeous suit and he was you know, in his finery,
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Speaker 2: and I looked a him and I'm like, that's not
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Speaker 2: his dad, that's Meathead, that's Rob Ryner. And I was
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Speaker 2: immediately starstruck because of his brilliance.
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Speaker 3: His brilliance, you know, when he first appeared on All in.
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Speaker 2: The Family as Meathead, one of his iconic roles, I
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Speaker 2: don't think people realized just how brilliant he was unless
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Speaker 2: you watched it and realized his comedic timing was just impeccable.
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Speaker 3: It's amazing.
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Speaker 2: And instead of being a bit character in that, he
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Speaker 2: became a star right along with Jeans Stapleton and Carol
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Speaker 2: O'Connor and Sally Struthers.
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Speaker 3: I mean, he was a star on screen and off.
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Speaker 3: But that is how he looked when I first met him.
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Speaker 2: Except in his beautiful, gorgeous suit, not all decked out
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Speaker 2: like you see celebrities and even men with fake hair,
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Speaker 2: in fake makeup, in fake everything.
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Speaker 3: He was just genuine. He was.
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Speaker 11: He was, that's the word, Nancy genuine. I was lucky
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Speaker 11: enough to have met him several times to talk to him.
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Speaker 11: I'm always cautious. I bumped into him the first time
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Speaker 11: I met him in a restaurant in Hollywood, and he
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Speaker 11: came over to my table and he said, I like
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Speaker 11: your work. And I was shocked because I work as
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Speaker 11: a gossip columnist and entertainment reporter. And I was curious.
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Speaker 11: And he was like, no, you find a way to
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Speaker 11: tell a story in a naughty but nice way.
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Speaker 12: That's what he said.
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Speaker 11: It's cheeky, it's funny, it's everything that he was. He
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Speaker 11: didn't shy away from the truth. He liked the truth.
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Speaker 2: He wasn't a friend, so he knew the name of
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Speaker 2: your naughty but nice That's interesting. I was always stern
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Speaker 2: rob that he actually knew of all the people, how
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Speaker 2: could he know my name?
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Speaker 3: I was just stunned that.
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Speaker 2: And he must have had an incredible memory to know
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Speaker 2: all of that. Okay, I veered a so off course,
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Speaker 2: let's get out of the weeds and back on track.
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Speaker 2: That night, immediately straight out to Joseph Scott Morgan's joining
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Speaker 2: us for my purpose. I like Joe Scott Morgan because
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Speaker 2: he's a death investigator, right, he has investigated over one
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Speaker 2: thousand death scenes.
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Speaker 3: Now, as you know, there are a few ways to die.
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Speaker 2: You've got natural causes, you've got suicide, you've got accident,
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Speaker 2: you have unexplained, and you have homicide. Okay, those are
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Speaker 2: modes of death. Then there's a multitude of causes of
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Speaker 2: death strangulation, poisoning, stabbying, gunshot with heart attack, blah blah
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Speaker 2: blah blah. Not only that, he is Professor Forensics Jacksonville
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Speaker 2: State University, which houses an incredible criminal procedure program, author
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Speaker 2: of Blood Beneath My Feet and star of Hitting You
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Speaker 2: podcast Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan Joe Scott.
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Speaker 3: Immediately they knew it was a homicide.
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Speaker 2: One, no forest entry, the daughter let herself in with
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Speaker 2: her own key. Obviously, no sex attack to the naked eye.
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Speaker 2: They knew immediately this was not a suicide pact. I'm
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Speaker 2: guessing that what the knife wasn't lying there because for instance,
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Speaker 2: you go on a scene and the person has shot themselves,
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Speaker 2: where's the gun?
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Speaker 3: If the gun's not there, they didn't shoot themselves.
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Speaker 2: So there are many ways to determine immediately this is
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Speaker 2: not a suicide homicide, it's not a suicide. Pack Explain
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Speaker 2: how they knew and what you would be looking for
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Speaker 2: the moment you walked into that scene. It's a Hollywood celebrity,
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Speaker 2: it's an icon, don't screw up the crime scene.
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Speaker 13: No you can't, because that's where the tail is going
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Speaker 13: to be told, Nancy. And one of the things that
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Speaker 13: would give this way immediately is that I can guarantee
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Speaker 13: you that this is a bloodbath. There will be copious
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Speaker 13: amounts of blood that are spread not only on their persons,
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Speaker 13: on the victims, but also on the floor surrounding their bodies,
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Speaker 13: or on whatever surface they might have been lying on
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Speaker 13: at that particular time. There would probably be obvious signs
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Speaker 13: of struggle, because you know, Nancy, out of all of
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Speaker 13: these modalities of death, when you begin to think about
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Speaker 13: sharp forse injuries, these are the most personal of all
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Speaker 13: of them. You know, you think about somebody being shot, Okay, yeah,
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Speaker 13: it can be personal, but it's not up close and
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Speaker 13: personal like a sharp edged weapon is. So there would
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Speaker 13: have been a struggle, there would have been pain centers firing,
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Speaker 13: there would have been action and reaction to every time
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Speaker 13: they were either stab or cut in thisarticular case. And
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Speaker 13: one more bit of info here, whoever perpetrated this this
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Speaker 13: horrendous butchery, they are going to have a significant amount
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Speaker 13: of blood on their person as well. You know, many
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Speaker 13: times at these scenes where we have cases like this,
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Speaker 13: you will see an attempt on the part of the
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Speaker 13: alleged perpetrator to try to clean themselves up. You can
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Speaker 13: go into like a bathroom and these sorts of things,
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Speaker 13: and you'll see that there's efforts being put forth, you know,
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Speaker 13: over a sink, you know, where they're trying to clean
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Speaker 13: themselves up. Maybe an attempt. I've had cases where people
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Speaker 13: have actually taken their clothes off and washed them at
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Speaker 13: a scene, uh, taking showers, all those sorts of things.
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Speaker 13: Because you know, one of the things that will draw
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Speaker 13: attention to you, even for somebody that is unfamiliar with
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Speaker 13: having committed a homicide, one of the things that will
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Speaker 13: draw attention to you quicker than anything else is that
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Speaker 13: blood is all over you. People are going to ask questions,
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Speaker 13: You're going to draw their sight at that particular So
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Speaker 13: this is certainly what I would frame as an evidence
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Speaker 13: rich environment. The trick here, though, is securing the scene
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Speaker 13: and making sure that everything, and I mean everything in
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Speaker 13: this case is detailed. I'm not saying that mister Hiner
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Speaker 13: and his wife are special. However, you know and I
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Speaker 13: know that the glare of the lights on this case
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Speaker 13: are going to be so intense that you better make
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Speaker 13: sure that you have everything covered moving forward.
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Speaker 2: And I want to clarify when I said this is
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Speaker 2: a Hollywood celebrities place, don't screw up what I was
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Speaker 2: really getting at, and you echoed it to Moses Castillo
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Speaker 2: joining me out of this jurisdiction OC private investigator for
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Speaker 2: the Dordulian Group, former supervisor detective from the LAPDS at
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Speaker 2: Moses Castillo Investigations dot Com. What I meant by that
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Speaker 2: was everybody is going to be a look you low.
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Speaker 2: Everybody on the police for the fire Department, they're like,
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Speaker 2: Rob Reiner, let's look inside.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's natural curiosity.
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Speaker 2: I'm not stating that they're taking pictures of the crime
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Speaker 2: scene and sending them to Rob Shooter. I'm saying that
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Speaker 2: out of a natural curiosity, you're.
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Speaker 3: Like, Wow, this place is beautiful or whatever translation. That
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Speaker 3: messes up your crime scene.
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Speaker 2: It deteriorates, it degenerates, it contaminates your crime scene. The
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Speaker 2: more people that trump around in there. I hope they
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Speaker 2: closed it down pronto. Moses, what would be your SOP
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Speaker 2: standard operating procedure on that as a supervising l E
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Speaker 2: with the LAPD, Betsy.
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Speaker 14: As you heard that now on one call actually was
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Speaker 14: the radio dispatcher for the officer. The dispatcher is announcing
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Speaker 14: to the officers the fire department of question of backup.
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Speaker 14: That tells me that the fire department person, now that
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Speaker 14: got there, they noticed that, Oh my gosh, we have
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Speaker 14: two people that were murdered. We don't know if the
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Speaker 14: suspect is still here or around here. This is a
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Speaker 14: huge property. It's it's a it's a it's a beautiful home.
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Speaker 14: I mansioned. So they called for a backup, not knowing
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Speaker 14: if the suspect is still here. So that's how the
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Speaker 14: initially came out. So again I agree with Joe Scott.
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Speaker 14: This is a bloody crime scene. The officers knew right
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Speaker 14: from the very beginning that they had a homicide on
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Speaker 14: their hands, and that initiated the response to LAPD's elite
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Speaker 14: team of Robberty Homicide Division.
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Speaker 8: Detectives one CD at.
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Speaker 1: The backup.
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Speaker 6: So approximately three point forty this afternoon, Los Ange Police officers,
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Speaker 6: along with the Los Angeles City Fire Department, responded to
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Speaker 6: the two hundred block of Chadbourne Avenue here in the
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Speaker 6: city of Brentwood. Upon arrival, they determined that there were
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Speaker 6: two deceased individuals inside of.
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Speaker 3: The residents.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy.
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Speaker 15: Grace Throby, their youngest child arrives at the house to
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Speaker 15: find her parents brutally murdered. As the investigation unfolds, all
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Speaker 15: signs point to someone close to the family.
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Speaker 3: The LAPD seeses control of the scene.
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Speaker 6: Listen, the current death investigation that is being conducted by
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Speaker 6: the Los Angeles Police Department is going to be haled
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Speaker 6: by the Homicide Special Section of Robbery Homicide Division of
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Speaker 6: the Los Angeles Police Department.
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Speaker 2: That from our friends at Fox eleven, you were hearing
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Speaker 2: Deputy Chief Alan Hamilton straight out to Phillip Debay, veteran
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Speaker 2: trial lawyer defense attorney joining us also from this jurisdiction.
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Speaker 3: Debate.
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Speaker 2: They're always referred to as the elite LAPD Homicide Unit.
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Speaker 2: What makes them elite? I'm not arguing about it. I
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Speaker 2: think they are elite, but explain why.
21:57
Speaker 12: Well, first of all, they have exceptional train Typically they've
22:01
Speaker 12: been on the forest for five to ten years because
22:04
Speaker 12: it requires a great amount of experience to investigate the crimes.
22:07
Speaker 12: They're also very familiar with the inner workings of the
22:10
Speaker 12: Superior Court. They know who the das are, and they
22:13
Speaker 12: know exactly who to call, who to approach to get
22:16
Speaker 12: charges filed, or to find out where the evidence may
22:19
Speaker 12: fall short. And if they have to go back out
22:21
Speaker 12: and beat the bushes, so be it. They'll get the evidence.
22:24
Speaker 12: But when you put a Greenhorn in there to investigate
22:27
Speaker 12: some of these high profile media cases, they might not
22:30
Speaker 12: be as adept at putting the case together as the
22:34
Speaker 12: more seasoned homicide detectives are.
22:36
Speaker 2: You know what, You're so right about that, Philip Debey,
22:39
Speaker 2: because you can learn a lot, say in college or
22:44
Speaker 2: grad school, but you have to learn from the strait,
22:49
Speaker 2: from the school of hard knocks before you. Let's just say,
22:54
Speaker 2: your first to fly probably won't be your best right.
22:58
Speaker 2: So you need the experience. You need to know deep
23:03
Speaker 2: down muscle memory what to do on a scene like this.
23:07
Speaker 2: In other words, shut the door, don't let anybody else in.
23:10
Speaker 3: Things like that that.
23:12
Speaker 2: As you say, Greenhorn may not know automatically, and they
23:18
Speaker 2: know they're the bomb. As a matter of fact, in Atlanta,
23:22
Speaker 2: within APD the homicide unit, they all wear for doors, and.
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Speaker 3: I remember going, why do they why do those guys
23:28
Speaker 3: have off the doors? They're like, because they're homicide.
23:30
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, why the hat because they're homicide I'm like, well, okay, whatever.
23:35
Speaker 3: It is an elite group. Okay.
23:37
Speaker 2: So it goes from the death investigation being handled by
23:41
Speaker 2: the Robbery Homicide Division of LAPD.
23:45
Speaker 3: They get the first lead, Listen.
23:48
Speaker 16: Romi immediately implicates a dangerous family member, warning authorities they
23:53
Speaker 16: should be considered a suspect. Though the Robbery Homicide unit
23:57
Speaker 16: is assigned to investigate the case, detect agreed the killer
24:01
Speaker 16: is someone known to the couple, as there is no
24:03
Speaker 16: sign of forced entry to their home. Michelle and Rob
24:06
Speaker 16: have three other children, Jack, Nick and Tracy Rob Briiner's
24:10
Speaker 16: adopted daughter from his first marriage to Penny Marshall.
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Speaker 6: There are going to be many family members interviewed. I'm
24:17
Speaker 6: not going to confirm whether someone's being interviewed at this
24:19
Speaker 6: time or not. We're going to try and speak to
24:22
Speaker 6: every family member that we can to get to the
24:24
Speaker 6: facts of this investigation.
24:26
Speaker 2: From Fox eleven, Okay, where does this fit into what
24:29
Speaker 2: I told you at the get go a bloody hotel
24:35
Speaker 2: saying Okay, we're talking about Joe Scott Morgan that whoever
24:39
Speaker 2: committed this double homicide, and I need to circle back
24:43
Speaker 2: with you on the multiple stab wounds as they relate
24:48
Speaker 2: to the slashing of both of these throats by the
24:52
Speaker 2: victim's throats. Okay, because that is significant probatively, it proves
24:57
Speaker 2: something to me that said, I mean think it through. Okay,
25:02
Speaker 2: you've got first of all, a woman did not do
25:04
Speaker 2: this a woman. This is not statistically, overwhelmingly statistically not
25:10
Speaker 2: a female crime. Plus, Rayner's a big guy. He could
25:14
Speaker 2: have overpowered a woman. Even though he's seventy eight, he
25:19
Speaker 2: still could have done that. So it's not a woman.
25:21
Speaker 2: So we can throw out romy who called police to
25:24
Speaker 2: start with. If it had been her, she would not
25:26
Speaker 2: be calling nine to one one. The other daughter lived
25:29
Speaker 2: a distance away, the adopted daughter that Ryner adopted, Penny Marshall,
25:35
Speaker 2: his first wife, her daughter.
25:37
Speaker 3: It's not a woman.
25:38
Speaker 2: So you've got the one son in the business living
25:41
Speaker 2: out of state I think New Mexico, and then you
25:44
Speaker 2: have the other son.
25:45
Speaker 3: So that's where they start.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, what we're hearing right now, Nancy, is that there
25:50
Speaker 13: are injuries to the neck and they've been categorized as
25:54
Speaker 13: slash ones. Remember, slashes are different than stabs. So this
25:58
Speaker 13: is what this means to me, is that you have
26:01
Speaker 13: to have a blade that is being drug literally across
26:04
Speaker 13: the surface of the neck, generally on the front side
26:06
Speaker 13: of the neck or the anterior and Nancy, here's one
26:10
Speaker 13: more thing in order to facilitate this. It's not like
26:13
Speaker 13: you see in the movies where somebody just walks up
26:16
Speaker 13: and slashes somebody's throat. This is an event that has
26:19
Speaker 13: to take place where they're being stabbed, subdued, perhaps they
26:22
Speaker 13: go to the ground. They're fighting for their life, and
26:25
Speaker 13: the one person that is perpetrating this has to get
26:28
Speaker 13: the upper hand. They apply pressure. This requires pressure in
26:32
Speaker 13: order to force a knife through the flesh on the neck,
26:35
Speaker 13: and they drag it across the neck. So what they're
26:38
Speaker 13: saying is not only was this done once, this is
26:41
Speaker 13: done twice to two separate subjects. Here, both mister Reiner
26:45
Speaker 13: and his wife were both injured this way, and this
26:49
Speaker 13: goes to the dynamic of the environment. We still don't
26:53
Speaker 13: have an indication as to the proximity of both of
26:57
Speaker 13: the victims to one another. But you know, this has
26:59
Speaker 13: been running through my mind ever since the story dropped.
27:03
Speaker 13: Was the perpetrator in the midst of attacking attacking mister Reiner,
27:08
Speaker 13: perhaps because he of the two is the largest. You
27:13
Speaker 13: have to take him out, and then the wife comes in,
27:16
Speaker 13: sees this happening. She begins to get stabbed, and then
27:20
Speaker 13: her throat is cut. I don't know, we'll find out more,
27:22
Speaker 13: but this is going to be an absolute bloody mess
27:26
Speaker 13: when you think about the injuries, and particularly with the neck,
27:29
Speaker 13: because you know what we get when we get neck
27:31
Speaker 13: wounds like this, Nancy, we get that arterial spray that
27:34
Speaker 13: we're always talking about. If there's still life in the body,
27:37
Speaker 13: that blood is literally going to pulse out, not just
27:40
Speaker 13: onto the surrounding surfaces, not just onto the victim, but
27:43
Speaker 13: also onto the perpetrator as well.
27:46
Speaker 2: You say pulse out, it's kind of an arterial bleed.
27:49
Speaker 2: Is like a water sprinkler yep, with every heartbeat. Also,
27:54
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna get the scenario by where the
27:58
Speaker 2: bodies are found. If they're lying there together, side by side,
28:03
Speaker 2: that sounds like posing. If you can see obviously one
28:09
Speaker 2: person you suggested, the wife Michelle Singer, writer running toward
28:14
Speaker 2: Rob to help him or vice versa. I think you'll
28:17
Speaker 2: be able to tell the scenario. Do you'll be able
28:20
Speaker 2: to deduce it from where the bodies were laying when
28:26
Speaker 2: the authorities got there.
28:27
Speaker 3: But what we are learning tonight is what, Yeah.
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Speaker 13: One more thing. If the individual that perpetrated this nancy
28:36
Speaker 13: is wearing shoes, okay, you will be able to see
28:39
Speaker 13: And I've seen this countless numbers of times. It seems
28:42
Speaker 13: like this. They will leave behind literally bloody shoeprints that
28:47
Speaker 13: can be tied back to that specific individual, and we're not.
28:51
Speaker 13: And you have to think of it this way. When
28:53
Speaker 13: you look at the shoe prints. Did you know that
28:55
Speaker 13: at scenes, when we take those images, when we take
28:59
Speaker 13: those lifts, we can actually deduce wear patterns on the shoes,
29:03
Speaker 13: and that's a specific tie back to a perpetrator. People
29:05
Speaker 13: always think about DNA, they think about fingerprints and all this,
29:08
Speaker 13: but blood is an interesting medium in this sense because
29:12
Speaker 13: it attaches itself. So every time you have these points
29:15
Speaker 13: of contact all over the place, that's something that you
29:18
Speaker 13: really have to dig into. If this person fled the scene,
29:21
Speaker 13: not only are you gonna have blood at the scene,
29:23
Speaker 13: you're gonna have blood either outside of the residents where
29:26
Speaker 13: they left on foot, maybe in a vehicle, and then
29:29
Speaker 13: actually where they wound up where they came to rest
29:32
Speaker 13: as well.
29:36
Speaker 4: At a holiday party, Mike's mental health issues escalate into
29:40
Speaker 4: a heated argument with his parents, forcing Robin Michelle to
29:44
Speaker 4: leave abruptly. Hours later, they are found brutally stabbed to
29:47
Speaker 4: death in their home.
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Speaker 2: Is there a motive for the double murder of Rob
29:54
Speaker 2: Reiner and wife Michelle Singer Reiner? Straight back out to
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Speaker 2: investigative Report Senior investigator reporter us Son Jessica Fann, What
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Speaker 2: happened at the party the night before.
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Speaker 11: Nancy.
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Speaker 7: My sources are telling me that there was a pretty
30:10
Speaker 7: big argument between Rob Michelle and their son Nick at
30:14
Speaker 7: Conan O'Brien's holiday party. This is a pretty swanky party.
30:17
Speaker 7: It's an annual party. A lot of big celebrities were
30:20
Speaker 7: in attendant. We were told that Nick's basically was acting
30:24
Speaker 7: erratically at the party, kind of going up to people
30:27
Speaker 7: saying strange things, and during the party he got into
30:32
Speaker 7: an argument with his parents, and it's unclear exactly what
30:35
Speaker 7: the argument was about. There is some speculation. We won't
30:38
Speaker 7: go there right now, but there was definitely a bit
30:40
Speaker 7: of an altercation during the party that people notice, and
30:43
Speaker 7: this argument got pretty loud.
30:45
Speaker 2: So the whole.
30:47
Speaker 7: Disagreement started kind of much earlier in the night from
30:50
Speaker 7: what we're hearing.
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Speaker 3: Okay, wait a minute. You said there's speculation about what
30:54
Speaker 3: the argument was about. What's his speculation.
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Speaker 7: Well, so has had a very long and troubled history
31:02
Speaker 7: with drugs. He's been in and out of rehab seventeen times,
31:06
Speaker 7: and so there's been a lot of speculation that he
31:09
Speaker 7: was possibly on some sort of drugs that night. He
31:13
Speaker 7: didn't look well, he didn't look like he was in
31:15
Speaker 7: his normal state of consciousness, and people have speculated that
31:19
Speaker 7: his parents were once again trying to get him back
31:21
Speaker 7: into a rehab program. And he's been really resistant through
31:24
Speaker 7: the years to get the help that he's so desperately
31:27
Speaker 7: clearly needed, and the speculation was that this argument probably
31:31
Speaker 7: focused on him trying to his parents trying to get
31:34
Speaker 7: him help again.
31:35
Speaker 2: You know, Jessica Fann, it's not speculation that the son
31:39
Speaker 2: Nick Reiner is an abuser.
31:43
Speaker 3: He's a drug addict.
31:45
Speaker 2: He himself states that he has been in and out
31:48
Speaker 2: of rehab.
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Speaker 3: I think he says seventeen eighteen times. Listen, how many.
31:52
Speaker 10: Times have you been in and out of rehab?
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Speaker 2: I'll be honest, it's been like seventeen or eighteen times.
31:57
Speaker 6: I saw it when I was like almost about termed fifteen.
32:02
Speaker 11: It was there from like nineteen.
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Speaker 4: From fifteen to nineteen, and yeah, it's like.
32:06
Speaker 2: Thirt or four years that is from the pledge and
32:10
Speaker 2: the turn. So you're right, Jessica Finn to doctor Bethany
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Speaker 2: Marshall joining us. It's psychoanalyst out of this jurisdiction, doctor Bethany.
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Speaker 3: When you're with an addict, it's like.
32:20
Speaker 2: Someone with First of all, drug addiction or use of
32:25
Speaker 2: drugs is not a defense under the law. Voluntary use
32:31
Speaker 2: of drugs or alcohol not a defense under the law.
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Speaker 3: Just start with that.
32:38
Speaker 2: But to you, doctor Bethany, it's like someone with dementia.
32:44
Speaker 2: You think, why did they say that? Why are they
32:46
Speaker 2: acting so combative? Why are they so angry?
32:51
Speaker 3: There is no reason that drug addicts. Who knows why
32:55
Speaker 3: they were.
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Speaker 2: Arguing, Jessica Finn from the US. Some was staying in
32:59
Speaker 2: their speculation why they were arguing, It doesn't matter.
33:02
Speaker 3: It's like why.
33:03
Speaker 2: Does a domestic abezer meet his wife. There doesn't have
33:09
Speaker 2: to be a why because she may talk as on enchiladas.
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Speaker 3: I don't know why.
33:12
Speaker 2: There is no why. Why ask why? See what I'm saying.
33:15
Speaker 2: When you have an addict, nothing makes sense.
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Speaker 8: I agree with you. The why is not important because
33:22
Speaker 8: the substance abuser may not even remember what they're arguing about.
33:26
Speaker 8: What I would say is, let's talk about what substance
33:31
Speaker 8: the sun was on. If the sun was on mess meth,
33:36
Speaker 8: I mean, then you have an overkill phenomenon. And Joe
33:40
Speaker 8: Scott Morgan could probably talk a little bit more about this.
33:43
Speaker 8: But certain drugs cause certain kinds of aggressive behaviors, like
33:49
Speaker 8: let's say marijuana. If somebody's on taught, they're not going
33:53
Speaker 8: to stab somebody, They're just going to be very passive
33:55
Speaker 8: and lying on the beach and enjoying the sunshine and
33:58
Speaker 8: ordering a pina colada, right, But if they're on MESS,
34:02
Speaker 8: there could be a great amount of aggression and hatred
34:07
Speaker 8: towards the victims. So I would wonder, like, what was
34:11
Speaker 8: the sun using when he went to the Christmas party? Now?
34:15
Speaker 8: In terms of the why. Also, sometimes with addicts, parents
34:19
Speaker 8: really struggle with should we continue to support this person
34:23
Speaker 8: financially or if we cut off financial support, are they
34:28
Speaker 8: more likely to get sober? And it's kind of a
34:30
Speaker 8: tricky question because sometimes when support is cut off, the
34:34
Speaker 8: user becomes even more angry and aggressive, and that might
34:37
Speaker 8: have been the case here too.
34:39
Speaker 2: Sidney Somner, joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter Jessica Fann,
34:43
Speaker 2: was describing a sayne that The Sun Nick Rhin was
34:47
Speaker 2: making at kind of O'Brien's yearly Christmas party.
34:51
Speaker 3: Sidney, Apparently he was going up.
34:52
Speaker 2: To all of these stars and going, hey, are you famous,
34:55
Speaker 2: and basically dogging them. That's what I understand happening at
35:00
Speaker 2: the party, and it must have been very embarrassing for
35:03
Speaker 2: Rob and Michelle Reiner.
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Speaker 3: They let him tag along, then he makes a legal
35:07
Speaker 3: term ass out of himself, right.
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Speaker 5: And this wasn't a family trip. If it was just
35:14
Speaker 5: Nick with his parents, that's already an embarrassing situation. Possibly
35:19
Speaker 5: that your thirty two year old son is tagging along
35:21
Speaker 5: like he's your twelve year old child. So to be
35:24
Speaker 5: acting out and to be speaking to people that he
35:26
Speaker 5: doesn't necessarily know in a flippant way definitely could have
35:30
Speaker 5: started a disagreement. Hey son, you need to behave yourself,
35:34
Speaker 5: and that definitely could have set this person on drugs off, especially.
35:38
Speaker 12: If it was mess.
35:43
Speaker 9: We have our Robbery Homicide Division handling the investigation. They
35:47
Speaker 9: work throughout the night on this case and we're able
35:51
Speaker 9: to take into custody Nick Nick Reiner a suspect in
35:57
Speaker 9: this case. He was subsequently booked for murder and is
36:01
Speaker 9: being held on four million dollar bail.
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Speaker 10: After an interrogation. Nick Reiner, thirty two, is arrested on
36:07
Speaker 10: suspicion of murdering his parents, seventy eight year old Rob
36:10
Speaker 10: and sixty eight year old Michelle. As of Monday morning,
36:13
Speaker 10: Reiner has held on four million dollars bail, but by
36:16
Speaker 10: the afternoon that bail amount had been revoked. An LAPD
36:19
Speaker 10: statement indicates they will present their case to the district
36:22
Speaker 10: Attorney Tuesday, and prosecutors have until the end of the
36:25
Speaker 10: day Wednesday to file formal charges.
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Speaker 2: You're hearing Chief Jim McDonald LAPD from our friends at
36:31
Speaker 2: Fox eleven to Jessica Finn joining US senior investigative reporter
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Speaker 2: us Son. Jessica, tell me about the arrest, how it
36:39
Speaker 2: went down and is it true that an extremely bloody
36:47
Speaker 2: hotel room has been connected to the sun spoiled brat
36:53
Speaker 2: Nick Reiner.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, so after the incident, said the brutal murder of
36:59
Speaker 7: his parents place at their home in Brentwood, Nick ran
37:02
Speaker 7: and checked into a hotel about twenty miles away at
37:07
Speaker 7: give or take, the hotel ended up being covered in blood.
37:11
Speaker 7: The hotel room was totally covered in blood. There was
37:14
Speaker 7: blood in the bathtub, there was blood all over the bathroom,
37:17
Speaker 7: there was blood on the bedsheets. So this was basically
37:20
Speaker 7: where he seems to have gone to take to take
37:23
Speaker 7: a shower, get the bloody clothes off, and then he
37:26
Speaker 7: left the hotel room. And it's unclear why he left
37:29
Speaker 7: the hotel room, what his plans were, but he was
37:31
Speaker 7: eventually apprehended several hours later about about so yeah, several
37:37
Speaker 7: hours later at right now the University of Southern California's campus.
37:42
Speaker 7: He was taken into custody after a swat team basically
37:47
Speaker 7: arrived and threw them on the ground. And yeah, it
37:50
Speaker 7: was it. It was quite the scene from the time
37:53
Speaker 7: the police found the bodies, discovered the bodies, to his
37:57
Speaker 7: hotel room stay, to him leaving the hotel room for
38:00
Speaker 7: some unknown reason heading towards a Kipten.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Okay hold on just a moment, Philip Debate joining me.
38:19
Speaker 2: He has defended many many murders, as I have prosecuted
38:22
Speaker 2: many many murders.
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Speaker 3: Isn't it true?
38:24
Speaker 2: Debate that if this were to go to trial, that
38:29
Speaker 2: the judge will instruct the jury, and I questioned about it,
38:33
Speaker 2: the black and white letter of the law, so lasting
38:36
Speaker 2: they hear before they go for deliberations, and that will
38:39
Speaker 2: include a jury charge that the jury can consider acts, actions, before, during,
38:48
Speaker 2: and after the incident.
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Speaker 12: Yes or no, absolutely proven tent. Yeah, we call it.
38:57
Speaker 12: We call it the eleven oh one B evidence and basic.
39:00
Speaker 12: It's evidence to prove something other than propensities, something other
39:04
Speaker 12: than character, such as intent to commit the crime, such.
39:07
Speaker 2: As intent to clean off your bloody clothes and leave
39:11
Speaker 2: them behind because you know you've done something wrong. You know,
39:16
Speaker 2: just like when you have your PBJ and you spill
39:18
Speaker 2: jelly down the front of your T shirt. Debay, you
39:21
Speaker 2: don't then rush out to dinner at a fancy la restaurant?
39:25
Speaker 3: Do you change clothes because you know that looks bad? Right?
39:31
Speaker 2: This guy changed his clothes, took a shower, as you
39:36
Speaker 2: just heard Jessica Finn describe from the US Sun the shower.
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Speaker 3: The tub was full of blood.
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Speaker 2: Why because he washed off his parents' blood before he
39:49
Speaker 2: left that hotel? Why because he knew it was probative.
39:55
Speaker 2: He knew it proved he had done something horrible translation
40:00
Speaker 2: consciousness of guilt, So don't tune up with me. Second
40:04
Speaker 2: verse same was the first that he had a metal
40:06
Speaker 2: disability because he was voluntarily high on drugs.
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Speaker 3: Don't don't even he knew what he did was wrong.
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Speaker 12: Well, I have a feeling he has what I call
40:18
Speaker 12: the trifecta of co occurring disorders, meaning, first of all,
40:21
Speaker 12: he's got the addiction problem, and I do actually predict
40:25
Speaker 12: he was high as a kite on something and like amphetamine.
40:28
Speaker 12: And number two he was in the throes of psychosis,
40:32
Speaker 12: probably from the untreated schizophrenia. And number three, I think
40:35
Speaker 12: there was a personality disorder through it in the mix.
40:38
Speaker 12: So I got the hotel.
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Speaker 3: Debay, Yes, Toby, I'm sorry.
40:44
Speaker 2: I'm trying to turn over neelief and not interrupt you
40:47
Speaker 2: as much as normal, but this is a yes. No.
40:51
Speaker 2: You know what I'm not even going to ask you,
40:52
Speaker 2: doctor Bethany Marshall. Did I just hear Debay state the
40:55
Speaker 2: words bipolar and schizophrenia?
40:58
Speaker 3: Did I hear those two words time out of his mouth?
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Speaker 8: Let me use a different term. His parents are withdrawing
41:05
Speaker 8: financial support. It enrages him. That's more likely with the
41:10
Speaker 8: long term addict. It doesn't matter if they have psychiatric disorders,
41:14
Speaker 8: personality disorders, whatever else is going on. There comes a
41:17
Speaker 8: point in every parent's life when they have a drug
41:20
Speaker 8: addicted child where they say, we're not going to give
41:24
Speaker 8: you money anymore, We're not going to support this. The
41:27
Speaker 8: only way to help you get sober is if you
41:31
Speaker 8: have to support your own life. And that is when
41:36
Speaker 8: the trouble occurs.
41:37
Speaker 2: Because doctor Bethany, does this mean that Nick Reiner couldn't
41:42
Speaker 2: live in daddy's poolhouse anymore? And tear it up, destroy it,
41:47
Speaker 2: the artwork, the TV, the clothes, the sofa, the bad
41:52
Speaker 2: all ruined on one of his drug fits, over and over,
41:58
Speaker 2: and Rhiner would suck it up, clean the whole place up,
42:01
Speaker 2: get new furniture, and let his son move back in,
42:05
Speaker 2: only to do it again.
42:07
Speaker 3: They created a movie.
42:09
Speaker 2: Together called Being Charlie that chronicled Nick Reiner spoiled brat
42:17
Speaker 2: life of drug addiction and mistreating his parents, who put
42:22
Speaker 2: him back and rehabbing, back and rehabing, gave him a
42:24
Speaker 2: place to live and paid all his bills.
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Speaker 12: Watch this that I'm not going to listen to you
42:29
Speaker 12: telling me what a drug addict Iane careful on one.
42:32
Speaker 3: Of your constituents.
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Speaker 6: Now, you wouldn't want to lose the governor's race by
42:34
Speaker 6: one vote.
42:35
Speaker 4: You can either head back to treatment or live on
42:37
Speaker 4: the streets.
42:37
Speaker 8: It's your choice.
42:38
Speaker 2: I've got so many clips from Being Charlie that you
42:41
Speaker 2: were just watching, and it chronicles sadly, sadly, it's it's
42:46
Speaker 2: very upsetting the parent's life with an addicted adult son,
42:54
Speaker 2: and the son actually to you, Jessica Hen you were
42:57
Speaker 2: talking about speculation about what the argument was.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the son actually blames the.
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Speaker 2: Parents for saying, look, you're gonna go to rehab. We're
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Speaker 2: gonna send you again to one of the best rehabs
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Speaker 2: in the country for like the eighteenth time.
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Speaker 1: This put out the money, and.
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Speaker 3: The son doesn't want to go. He goes out live
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Speaker 3: on the street.
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Speaker 2: So Ryner finally says, yeah, okay, fine, live on the
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Speaker 2: street if you don't want to get well, yeah.
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Speaker 7: You're are doing some tough parenting. I mean, like, yeah,
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Speaker 7: there comes a point with addiction. Maybe from what I
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Speaker 7: understand that, you know, you eventually got to cut the
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Speaker 7: kid off, right, and I'm sure they've cut the kid
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Speaker 7: off clearly throughout the years. He said he was homeless
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Speaker 7: in Texas, he was homeless in New Jersey, he was
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Speaker 7: homeless in Mean so he's been on the outs with
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Speaker 7: his parents financially, and you know, I'm sure this had
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Speaker 7: to do with another, yet another brutal cutoff for him
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Speaker 7: and his addiction from their their financial support.
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Speaker 14: You know.
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Speaker 3: Tough decision, right, Rob Shooter.
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Speaker 2: You know Nick Reiner now being without bond tonight, tough choice.
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Speaker 3: Do I want to live on the street or.
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Speaker 2: In my dad's multimillionaire poolhouse by the pool where I
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Speaker 2: can go into his kitchen and eat whatever he's got
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Speaker 2: in the fridge whenever I feel like it. Because I'm
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Speaker 2: a spoiled brand, tell me about Nick Ryan. I don't care,
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Speaker 2: because I don't want to get close to a defen
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Speaker 2: it and start to.
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Speaker 3: You know, identify with him. But go ahead tell me.
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Speaker 11: I know, I think the context of it's really important. Nancy.
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Speaker 11: This is a kid that had every advantage that everybody
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Speaker 11: would want in life. He had rich, famous, kind, loving parents.
44:40
Speaker 11: A lot of people might have rich, famous, parents, but
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Speaker 11: not loving and kind.
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Speaker 3: He hit the jackpot.
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Speaker 11: He had everything, Nancy, and he threw it all away.
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Speaker 11: I met with him for coffee in La about four
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Speaker 11: or five years ago. He was working on a project.
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Speaker 11: He's a struggling screenwriter. He's not really very talented at this.
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Speaker 11: Some people are very boohoo to a Nick. I didn't
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Speaker 11: feel that way. He was rude to the staff in
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Speaker 11: the store. He was impatient, he was aggressive.
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Speaker 2: You just can't drop a bomb like that on me.
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Speaker 2: Me not cross examine.
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Speaker 3: What do you mean he was rude? I very well, yeah,
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Speaker 3: I know exactly what you're talking about. What happened, rolled.
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Speaker 11: His eyes at the staff, was rude at them. They
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Speaker 11: got his order wrong, and he was not very gracious
45:26
Speaker 11: about that. He was a really toxic individual and Nancy,
45:30
Speaker 11: everybody in Hollywood knew it. When he turned up at
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Speaker 11: Conan O'Brien's party. Can you imagine the reaction, Ah, he's here,
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Speaker 11: Nick's here, But they can't say the sun And they
45:45
Speaker 11: didn't say anything though, because his parents are so so
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Speaker 11: loved and this is this is so interesting to me.
45:51
Speaker 11: The only thing about Nick that I found interesting, The
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Speaker 11: only reason I met with him was because of who
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Speaker 11: his dad was, and the what he didn't realize is
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Speaker 11: he was trying to run away from the one thing
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Speaker 11: that made him interesting. He did not want his parents' association,
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Speaker 11: but he wanted their money, he wanted their connections, he
46:12
Speaker 11: wanted their power. He wanted it both ways, and he
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Speaker 11: can't do that.
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Speaker 2: So today I keep hearing everyone talk about his addiction
46:23
Speaker 2: and all he had been through. I don't get it.
46:28
Speaker 2: Reiner and Michelle did everything they could, and it's like
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Speaker 2: him literally biting the hand that fed him over and
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Speaker 2: over and over, and Ryder kept supporting him. Here he
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Speaker 2: is taking him to cut and O'Brien's party, And don't
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Speaker 2: you know, O'Brien probably didn't even to say anything to
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Speaker 2: his wife. They probably when they see these three coming
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Speaker 2: up the silot because it's Rob Ryan, I'm like, okay.
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Speaker 6: Let him in.
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Speaker 11: That's exactly what happened, Nancy. Everybody in Hollywood knew this
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Speaker 11: troubled young man. If this had been anybody else, he
47:05
Speaker 11: would have had zero access. He would have been iceed
47:08
Speaker 11: out of Hollywood really, really quickly. It was out of
47:10
Speaker 11: respect to his parents that anybody paid him any attention.
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Speaker 11: He had every opportunity, Nancy. He had access to resources,
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Speaker 11: to go to the best schools, to meet people, to
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Speaker 11: make connections with people that we would dream to be
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Speaker 11: in a room with.
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Speaker 2: So much more evidence to sift through. Was it Reiner's
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Speaker 2: blood at that hotel? Was it Singer's blood at that hotel?
47:37
Speaker 2: What can the hotel employees tell us about the check in?
47:42
Speaker 2: How was he apprehended? What, if anything did he say
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Speaker 2: at that time? Is he making statements from behind bars?
47:50
Speaker 2: Has his sister spoken to him? What is the evidence
47:53
Speaker 2: at the scene. You know it's Brentwood. You know that
47:56
Speaker 2: that place is blanketed with surveillance cameras.
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Speaker 3: What do we know.
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Speaker 2: Or is this guy going to continue to trade on
48:05
Speaker 2: Hollywood fame and walk free if you know or think
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Speaker 2: you know anything about this case before, during, after the incident.
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Speaker 3: We want justice for Reiner and Singer.
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Speaker 2: Dial eight hundred two two two eight four seven seven
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Speaker 2: eight hundred two two two eight four seven seven and
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Speaker 2: tonight we remember an American hero. Commissioner Michael Ryan, Phoenicia
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Speaker 2: Fire Department, New York, killed in the line of duty
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Speaker 2: after twenty five years of risking his life, leaving behind
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Speaker 2: a grieving family. American Hero Commissioner Michael Ryan Nancy Gray signing.
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Speaker 14: Off good bye friend.
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Speaker 2: Yeah,