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Salty Crackers · That Car Show

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How do you drive the fucking thing?
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This week on that car show, we're joined by guest and friend
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of the show Jorge Aquino from Tormenting Tarmac.
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He tells us why we're wrong about Corvettes and why the
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world needs just as many Corvettes as there are Porsche
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9/11 variants. Lindsay talks to us about her
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track car and how a gremlin for five years gets solved within an
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hour. I lose all dignity when I talk
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about climbing out of a Lotus Elise.
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Luckily, no one was watching, but CCTV and Ryan gives us the
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full nuts and bolts story about what it's like to drive one of
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the most legendary Porsches of all time, the Carrera GT.
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We learn about the tires, we learn about the seats, we learn
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about the upholstery. But what's really important is
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we learn how you drive these things.
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All this and more on this week's Car Show.
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That car show Always Be Driving. Welcome to this weeks episode of
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that car show. The gang is all here as well as
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a special guest. But before I get to the special
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guest, just a quick overview of what the team are up to right
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now. Firstly, we'll be talking about
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Lindsay and not only has she found new love, but she's also
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rekindled old love. But we'll talk about that in a
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minute, Ryan. I'm curious.
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Ryan should be floating about 10 feet above his desk because the
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day he's had is probably one of the best car days of his whole
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life. He's on cloud 9 but.
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Before we get to that. It's all all Ryan.
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You might as well just pack up and go home, but we'll talk
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about that in a while. Well, we've got a special guest,
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Jorge Aquino from the podcast Tormenting Tarmac.
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Welcome. Hey, what's?
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Going on everybody, it's great to see you guys.
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Great to have you on the show. Good to see you, yeah.
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It's my first time on the on the new show, I think.
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Yeah, it is. Yeah.
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It is, but we got a text before last week's show that said,
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guys, if you're going to talk about Corvettes, I won't in
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Yeah. Then we talked about Corvettes.
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Then we got 10 more texts the next morning.
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The show. I think just to put in the
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balloon of context, we weren't saying we didn't like the
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Corvette. I think, and it was mainly me, I
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was saying I didn't understand why they were bringing out
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another super hot quick all-wheel drive when there's
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already an oil drive, there's already a super hot quick one.
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And Jorge is a bit of a subject matter expert on Corvettes.
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So welcome to the podcast and yeah, educate us why.
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Sure. Well, first of all, I wouldn't
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call myself a subject matter expert on Corvettes in any way,
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shape or form. I I on the record right now for
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anybody who listens to that car show.
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I appreciate Corvettes in the same way that I appreciate
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almost every sports car known to man.
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I have a little bit of a special relationship with Corvette right
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now because my best friend and one of my and my Co founder of
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tormenting tarmac run works at General Motors for GM
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performance and he's had actually a lot to do with the
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hot versions of the CA to the last couple of years.
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So it's more of like a special relationship, if you will.
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Like it's like my best friend worked on it.
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So like I get a little bit like, hey, yo, which what you say, go
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back up. You know it's kind of like that,
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but you know DP and you know, first of all, Lindsay and Ryan,
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you guys don't get off Scott free.
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Let me tell you right now. I listened to the entire episode
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last week. I heard I have everything y'all
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had to say. OK, I was I I I literally I sent
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Dan the the GIF of Optimus Prime saying I'll take you all on.
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That was the whole thing. So you guys don't get Scott free
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but can? We just put it back.
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We were talking about the ZR1X. Yes, we're going to talk.
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I'm going to. I'm just going to talk about
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ZR1X and whatnot, so. Let me say I'm just, I'm just
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trying to have a good time. I'm here for a good time, not a
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long time exactly. You 2 fight it out.
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Well, because like I want to answer Dan's question, Dan said.
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What's the point of Chevrolet bringing out another hot
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Corvette, right? None of you, and I know the
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three of you pretty gosh darn well at this point.
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None of you have ever questioned why Porsche brings out another
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hot 911. Tell me what I'm like.
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No, no, you're absolutely correct.
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Let me. Let me stop you there.
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Right. So Corvette.
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That's not true. There are there are there's a
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Corvette for people over the age of 70.
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There's a Corvette for the rental companies so you can hire
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one. There's.
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There's scan for example. Like me, like there are there
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are corvettes for people who want to do track days, but why
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is why is there a 01/01 X and what's the electric one?
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The E. Ray the E Ray, why do you need
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all three? Why can't you have one car that
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does everything? All right DP, why is there a
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9/11 Turbo S and a 9/11 GT2 Rs you?
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Know that's easy, right? One's for real estate brokers
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and the others for track people. Right, so the you.
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Know problem solve I look. At it as Chevrolet sure right.
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I consider the E Ray the one for a 65 year old who has always
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trashed hybrids for the longest time.
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But they put one in a hot Corvette and they're like, ah,
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bloody. So this is what all-wheel drive
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feels like. And then doing it on the ZR1,
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it's like, I think it's for the hot boys with a lot of money.
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But then just to me, the ZR1X can go to a lot of different
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people, to be quite honest with you.
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I think it can go for those who are the ultimate Corvette
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enthusiast. Who this, because I think we'd
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be dumb to not say that this is the most insane Corvette ever
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made. They have.
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Let's breakdown. The specs real quick, sorry.
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Before we get any further sure, tell us what we don't know.
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My understanding is it's a 5 point.
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It's the 5.5 liter out of the ZO6 but now strapped with the
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twin turbos. It's the exact same engine as
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the ZR1 which is the 5.5 liter V8.
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I think it's I think red line is down from 8600 to like maybe
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closer to like very low like maybe 8K in total.
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So you don't explode, Yeah. Correct.
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Yeah, twin turbo with the E ray electric motors.
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So instead of making the 10 64, it's making a total of I believe
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1250. Which is comical, Which is?
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Which is. Hilarious.
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Mind you I don't know what prices are because they haven't
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announced it yet, but considering that MSRP on a
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regular ZR1 yeah is like littles makes no difference.
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Let's call it with options 2 to 210 when you're not charging
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double on the adjusted market inflation as we have seen.
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Saw one for sale for $500,000 this evening.
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Sale exactly. By the way, 2 days ago I saw a
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9/11 St. it was ridiculous but I saw a 9/11 St. going for 800
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like 3 days ago so like. Well, you know that's worth it,
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Jorge of. Course.
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Lindsay knows that a 9/11 GT3 Touring is on my 10 car garage
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list because we had this conversation two months ago.
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This is very true, right? But yeah, so that those are the
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specs, right? And if I don't know what they're
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going to sell it for, it would, if they sell this car at like
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300 grand, I think that they're cooking.
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I think that that's a good number to sell, which is a lot.
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I know it's a lot, Lindsay. It's crazy to go ahead and think
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a Corvette. Sorry, was my expression that
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loud? A $300,000 Mustang would be OK
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though, right Lindsay? Listen.
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The dark horse, right? Maybe.
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Well, that was, you know, that was the announced price.
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When they gave you, I'm sorry, the GTD the.
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GTD they said it was 300, but even the most dedicated.
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Must have, which it's not. Were were that was giving
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everybody pause and then I think by the time they were like
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before they were delivered, the price increased.
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It's I mean that's a big number, right?
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Like that's a big number. Period.
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I mean, I mean no besmirchment when I say this because I love a
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Mustang just as much as anybody else does.
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This is how we know it's about to get good to.
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Compare them. I need like a vocabulary button
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to press. You want to hear a word like
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that? To compare any Mustang.
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To compare any Mustang, regardless of whether or not
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Multimatic is building it or not.
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To compare that to the hottest Corvette on sale is blasphemous.
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And Miss Jess, you should know better.
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You know what I'm saying? Like it's it's, it's it's rough
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to it's it's, I think it's crazy to try and compare the two.
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I mean on the, on the, on the well.
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OK, but name. Name 3500 lbs.
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Name two more direct competitors, though.
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I've never considered the Mustang direct competitor to the
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Corvette. I consider the 9/11 or a Cayman
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more of a direct competitor to the Corvette than I ever would a
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Mustang. Mustang Camaro to me is more of
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has always been more the competitors respectfully.
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Yeah, Now Firebird, I think GTD is a little bit different.
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You're absolutely right. I think GTD is somewhat
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different. Now these are the same people
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that built the the the GT 10 years ago, the four GTS.
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It's multi matic, right? But I still, you know, the
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Corvette to me has been especially with C8 in the last
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five years, it's been moved so far past beyond what it's ever
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been with the mid, with the mid engine configuration that I
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think GM is looking at this exactly.
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It helps them be able to go ahead and pull off this crazy
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ass idea of we're going to quadruple the horsepower from
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where it is as a base C8Z51-A base Z850Z8Z51 is 495
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horsepower. Guys like that's already a fast
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car that's doing zero to 60 in under 3 seconds and it's running
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a very high 11 quarter mile for I don't know, you buy a 2LT and
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you're looking at 70 grand and you're cooking.
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We're good, right? We are so far beyond that it's
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not even funny. Corvette has always been that
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type of car that's always punched so far above its weight
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because it's their bread and butter.
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It's their, you know, it's, it's their Halo, it is their Halo
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product. And I think that they look at it
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as a way of, you know, if we can make, if we can take all the
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cool crazy parts and put it all together and just sell it, there
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will be a buyer. I think that's the way that they
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look. Who is that buyer?
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Well, OK. So we were we discussed that
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earlier. I think the one of the buyers
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will be the most up, most crazy Corvette enthusiast who has a
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ton of cash, who's got every single Corvette imaginable and
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every single cool Corvette imaginable.
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So it's going to be that person that has AC7ZR1 that with A7
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speed manual or AC6ZR1 and AC6ZO6 with like the crazy cool
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packages. They'll probably have a 63 split
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window in the collection too. You know a 454 big block 68C3,
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you know it'll be that person that also I don't listen, I'm
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not this guy, but I can imagine someone with the Mustang GTD
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also buying AZR 1X like because they have that cash flow.
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So I think. There's have they said how many
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have they said how many they're going to make?
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They haven't. And that's where it scares me,
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Lindsay. That's that's where I'm at.
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That's where I get afraid. This.
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Could be up at night. What's?
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No, no. What I mean by?
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That say more about what are you what what are these?
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Fears that you're having. What am I afraid?
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I'll tell you. And you know, if my buddy Ron
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listens to this, I hope he doesn't take offense to it.
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But I think Corvette has a bad habit of over making the cars.
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And what I mean by that is they make too many of them that it
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loses the luster. I think that if you're going to
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make a ZR1 ZZR one XI think you should make it limited.
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I really do. You can cause.
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And even with the ZR1, I think they should make ZR ones
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relatively limited. You look at C7 ZR ones, for
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example, especially the ones with the seven speed manual.
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Those are going for stupid money.
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Stupid money. I'm talking like mid 300
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thousands right now. They can buy one.
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Yeah, they're going nuts. And because they, I think so
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many, so little people ordered that car.
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There's not a lot of C7 ZR ones with a manual.
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There's tons with an 8 speed automatic.
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Interesting their whole value. But it's the seven manuals that
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are going for crazy money. And why I say it scares me is I
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want people to be able to enjoy this car, but I also don't want
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it to be that in seven or eight years time, doubt that this will
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happen. But just bear with me for one
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second that all of a sudden we have a 12150 horsepower V8
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Corvette out on the streets. That someone with relatively
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good credit and all of a sudden, oh, because it's come down so
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down in value, I can get into AZR 1X.
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You have no right of getting into that car because you are an
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ignoramus. Like what's up?
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You know what I mean? I I I want the ZR1X to be far
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away. From you.
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You presuppose, though, that income has a correlation with
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driving ability. I mean, I'm not lying.
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Well, maybe a little bit, but but you're 1200 horse, is that
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what 1200 horsepower? 50.
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Well, like, that is insane power.
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Yeah, I. Don't know what they were
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thinking, like I genuinely. I'm a fan of this.
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I'm a fan of this, but I'll tell you right now I have no idea
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what in the actual thought they were thinking.
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Guys, that is a great, yeah, Bugatti power, right?
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That's, you know, that's Pagani power, right?
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Like that's that's crazy power. Like, is that even fun?
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I don't know. I've never driven a car with
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1200 horsepower. I would assume so.
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I think you have to like I heard here, I look at it this way
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because I heard you guys talk about it last week and you guys
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were saying like where do you use this?
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I think that if someone were to because there will be people who
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track their ZR ones for sure. There's zero sixes and ZR1 XS.
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I think you have to go ahead and choose the right track.
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Like are you going to take this to Laguna?
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No, I don't think so. Like you'd have to be nuts to
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want to take this to Laguna. You got to take this out to like
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Coda. You got to go ahead and take
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this out to somewhere where you got a ton of space.
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Like, I don't know, Lindsay. Like how do you think this will
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do a big Willow once it's done? Like the straights would be
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anus. The straights, it would be
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insane, but I feel like you might like you would be so quick
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on them. You I think it would probably be
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really fun at big Willow because it is so open and you have, you
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know, the big sweeping turn before the front straight.
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Like you could definitely open it up but Willow is not
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forgiving if you go off and it is like let there's no walls.
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Yeah, how are the brakes on this thing?
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Well, I mean, over the last 15 years, I think Chevy, Chevy,
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Chevy Corvettes brakes, whether it's the carbon ceramics or not,
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the carbon ceramics are some of the best brakes in sports cars.
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And I'm not just saying that. So the brakes to me.
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Are the bigger concern, I think the bigger concern would be
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like, is the person driving it like do they have the skills do
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it that you know that's going to be the biggest determinate
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factor. I just think, but on a positive
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end, I look at it as what a time to be alive genuinely, because
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now we we've entered an era. Amen.
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You know, I mean, we've entered this.
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We're in a really cool spot where, you know, I think the
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four of us have always had this conversation of like cars or
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there is too much going on. We like to analog feel like
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Lindsay, you drive an E36 DP, you had the GR for a while.
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Ryan, you've got the GT4, like those are like some great
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driver's car. I have a great Kia Sorento,
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which is obviously the best driving SUV on the market today
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and whatnot. But we have no questions.
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Hands down. Obviously I had to go and put
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that in there. Guys, come on now.
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We live in this era where, yeah, there's a lot of nannies and the
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computers are, are they're all over the place, right?
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But at the same time, we're living in an era where we get
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Lamborghini Rueltoes with 1000 horsepower, we're getting
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Corvette, two different Corvettes with 1000 horsepower,
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plus we are getting a Mustang that's running the Nerberg ring.
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Oh by the way, ZR1X on the Nerberg ring would absolutely be
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a flyer, but we have Mustangs. On.
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The Nerberg ring which are running under 7 minutes.
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If that's not big energy I don't know what is.
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We have GT threes that like like you can't catch ADT 3 on a back
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Rd. like it's just impossible. So I have to look at it as we
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can complain all we want about what these cars have in the
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computers and stuff like that, but we also have to realize that
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engineering has gone so far above and beyond what we would
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could have ever imagined 20 years ago, let alone 30 or even
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40. Like it's like it is a cool time
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to be a car enthusiast, a really cool time.
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We've talked about this, right? Like just even in our lifetimes,
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like how much things have changed.
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I mean, the, the idea of a 12150 horsepower anything, much less a
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Corvette is just mind blowing. You, you're the outlier here in
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this group, having been born in 89 Jorge.
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But, you know, three of us grew up with some real crap.
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I hate. Deuces, we should be celebrating
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this. I think that's what you're
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getting at, right? We should be celebrating this.
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We should, you know, if this were anything else but a
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Corvette, we'd think this was like, you know, God's gift to,
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to us, right? Yeah, I mean, we mentioned the
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fact. That damn Corvette name gets in
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the way, yeah. But, you know, you say that, but
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you know, Lindsay was out of Lamont and like, Corvettes been
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running Lamont for like 15 years, you know?
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Yeah, Cadillac, it's been, you know, it's, well, that's the one
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thing that I always have to go ahead and point out to people
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Like it's like, oh, but it's Chevy.
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It's like, well, Chevy's been ready to sing for like 100 years
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now, guys. You know that's not to you,
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that's to anybody else. That's not new.
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They've been going to Le Mans. That's not new.
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They've been going to Le Mans for 30 plus years.
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They've won Le Mans on so many countless occasions.
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It's so funny that I'll give you a perfect example.
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I remember having a conversation with some friends about this
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when Cadillac they were trying to get in last year and F1 told
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them no. The first time there was they
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they had the audacity to say, oh, you don't have enough of a
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history to really warrant a spot of the 11th car on the grid.
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And it's like you're saying that the Cadillac who's under the
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general performance or excuse me, General Motors brand, who
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basically is main person has been Chevrolet, which has the
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most iconic American sports car in the history of our lifetime.
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And you're telling them they don't have the racing history to
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go and be allowed into F1. That's crazy to me.
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So when people I get, I get the stigma that comes along with the
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Corvette. Then the same way that there's a
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stigma with the Mustang, there's a stigma with BMWs and you can
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keep going. There's stigmas with Teslas for
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good reason. What?
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Was the word Jorge besmirchment? Besmirchment.
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I'll besmirch Tesla. Yeah.
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Yeah, but the besmirchment is that the baby boomers are the
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ones that should only be associated with Corvettes.
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But Corvettes have been making cool like Chevy has been making
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cool Corvettes for a long, long, long, long time, especially the
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last 15 years. Like, you can't, you can't hate
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them for what they're up to, No. So do we think there's enough of
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an audience like if we go with your like theory of it's, you
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know, the true Corvette enthusiasts?
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Do we think there's enough of an audience of like, dedicated
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Corvette enthusiasts with that kind of money to support
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something like this? I think there is.
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I don't think, you know, Chevrolet is such an enormous
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brand. You knew, you know that they go
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ahead and research this, right? They're not just going to go
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ahead and make a Corvette like they we would hope, right?
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I mean, they've been around for 100 years.
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You would hope that they've done some studying, right?
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No, but I think that there will be I, I do think, and you know,
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the way I look at it, ZR1 and Dan, Dan and I had this
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conversation last week was I look at ZR1X as a trim up on
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ZR1. It's AZR one plus.
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So it's not like a separate model.
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It's it I consider ZR1X the way you would almost look at is an
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Rs over AGT 3. That's kind of how I look at it
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and. I really how dare you speak the
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name of Porsche in the same Oh. My God, that's going to piss off
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a few people. No, I'm just kidding.
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No, but I think that I think there will be, I mean, there's a
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lot of people. I mean, we live in a lifetime
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where there's a lot of millionaires out there, guys,
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let alone billionaires. So I don't, I don't.
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There's been a. Consolidation.
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We're not. I think we can all agree.
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We ain't we ain't those peeps, but you know that there is.
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I think that there are going to be people who will want to buy
21:31
this car, but I do believe that if they were to make ever a
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Corvette, any of the chapter limited ZR1X would be that one
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to make a little bit limited make more regular ZR ones.
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Although I think that the regular ZR1 to me is more of the
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car that I would go for as opposed to to the X or honestly,
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I kind of want to call it Zora, but I you know, that's not the
21:53
game that that's not the name that they decided to give it and
21:55
that's on them. But yeah, I think there will be
22:01
and you know that there's going to be dealerships marking them
22:03
up like crazy, like we're seeing regular ZR ones get, you know,
22:08
jacked up right now, so. Who was that that sent that link
22:11
earlier? Of the four of us, right?
22:12
The one for 500 grand. So that was a dealership in
22:16
Florida. Eddie X is the one that first
22:18
shared it. But yeah, it's a dealership in
22:20
Florida, man. Those Floridian dealerships,
22:22
man, they sure know how to mark up like crazy, man.
22:25
That's not the. First time.
22:27
It really messes. With their brains in the head.
22:29
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it probably makes some
22:31
type in wrong numbers wrong to be quite honest.
22:35
But yeah, if there was ever a car that they'd want to limit, I
22:38
would say it's this one. But there will be buyers.
22:42
I mean, so I, I looked it up, man, there's a like at least 15
22:47
to 20 different 9/11 models that you can go ahead and buy.
22:50
So that means that there's a 9/11 for everybody, right?
22:53
Which means that you know Porsche's out here charging 300
22:57
grand MSRP wise for a three Rs, they're charging 250 for a 9/11
23:01
Turbo S. They're charging like littles.
23:05
Makes no difference. 400 MSRP for MST.
23:07
If you can get one, there's a lot.
23:10
Yeah, I'm just going to say technologically speaking, like,
23:12
you know, this is this 01 X is probably every bit as good a a
23:16
well engineered product as anything Porsche is doing.
23:18
I get that right. Like and and constructed and
23:20
everything else right. It's, it's, it's, you know, it
23:24
it. We do have a double standard,
23:25
admittedly. Sure, you guys know how much of
23:28
a Porsche fan I am, you guys. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm with you.
23:31
Like if you gave me a 911 and a Corvette, I'm going to go ahead
23:34
and go with the 9/11. But I also know that Corvettes,
23:39
they're cool, man. They they, they did like they,
23:42
they make some cool cars. And they're making a damn good
23:45
case. I'm trying I, I, I listen the
23:49
biggest. If you're listening, you should
23:51
be sponsoring Tormenting Telmac. Jorge.
24:10
How hot is it in Phoenix tonight?
24:14
Actually it was a nice mild summer day guys I was looking at
24:18
a high earlier I know I tried to say that was with the street was
24:22
much of a straight face as I. Could 111 today guys.
24:25
Oh, so it was 104 here on the West side.
24:28
So if it was, if it's hotter in Denver than it was in 15 days,
24:31
today I'll take. No, no, no, I'm joking.
24:32
No, no, no, no. I just, yeah, no, we, I think we
24:37
were a balmy 86 or something, but.
24:39
OK, but it's, you know, with humidity, I can go ahead and get
24:42
a little nutty, but I look at it in a good way.
24:44
In the next couple weeks, I get a chance to go ahead and stop by
24:47
Lai Might I may or may not be seeing Sir Daniel Pilling.
24:51
I'm very excited. Lindsay, if you're in OCI would
24:55
tell you to come and literally come and meet my family and meet
24:58
up with me and hang out with us and go to Peterson if you want
25:00
to. Just throwing that out, you
25:02
know, and I know that I have limited time, so I'm going to go
25:05
ahead and stop. Yeah, for sure.
25:08
I'm going to stop ranting. I want to first of all, thank
25:11
the three of you for letting me come and crash the party for for
25:14
20 minutes. And you guys know how much I
25:16
love you and I love what you're doing.
25:19
And you guys are my my, not only my friends, but you guys are
25:22
legends or heroes. Ryan, you're one of the best
25:25
storytellers I've ever met in my entire life.
25:27
Daniel, you are and a kind a gentleman and a scholar.
25:32
And I try to be like. Apparently a knight.
25:35
Yes, very much so. He's absolutely been knighted by
25:38
me. I'm not royal too, but I'll be
25:41
happy to knight you and then Lindsay you, you're an absolute
25:43
Angel. I love talking and with the
25:46
three of you. You guys are amazing.
25:47
Send my love to Troy. Congratulations on the
25:49
engagement. It's I love to see it and just
25:52
keep doing you guys this thing. I'm I'm loving everything you
25:54
guys are doing. So I appreciate the time.
25:56
OK. Thanks for joining us all.
25:58
Hey, and thank you for standing up for the the little American
26:02
guy in jorts and New Balance. But.
26:05
Listen, if I don't do it, we're going to have a plenty of other.
26:08
People, we're going. To want to do it that are not
26:10
the right messengers. You know what I'm saying?
26:12
That's all. That's all I'm trying to say.
26:14
We will all be that little man someday, So or woman if it's.
26:19
Not us then who you know that's. Always.
26:22
Exactly the things though. But to everybody listening,
26:26
thank you all for listening to me rant about CA Corvette, ZR1
26:29
XS. If you've got the money and you
26:31
really are interested in one fucking me, buy one and drive
26:34
it. Don't flip it, drive it.
26:36
Yeah, tell us about it. Let Ryan drive it for freaking.
26:39
For the magazine, for the website, Yeah.
26:42
Tormenting tarmac at tormenting tarmac on Instagram give give
26:46
the guy a follow it's a good follow I.
26:48
Appreciate that. No, I, I I try to be.
26:50
Check out the podcast. Thanks.
26:52
Thanks. Thanks for everything, guys.
26:53
Thanks for being a part of the 150 journey.
26:55
You know, I appreciate it very much.
26:56
You guys are the best, OK? Thanks buddy.
26:58
Thank you. All right.
26:59
Cheers, guys. See you soon all.
27:01
Right, bye. And normally love the guy.
27:04
No resume. He is such a top guy.
27:07
We're lucky to have him as a friend.
27:09
So I got I have to tease him. Do you think Tori's going to be
27:12
upset about Troy? I I thought for a second about
27:16
like, right, let's cut that again and then.
27:19
No, it's more fun this way. The sentiment is there The
27:22
sentiment. Brad Pitt.
27:24
Brad Pitt was in Troy. That's where he was going maybe.
27:27
Right. I mean, I can't argue with it.
27:31
Lindsay my whole life I've not once been called an Angel.
27:35
So you know that there is currency.
27:38
Remedy right there a. Long, long time right I.
27:40
Mean. I will take three of us.
27:44
I want to save Ryan's story to the end because it's probably
27:49
his highlight of the year so, well, I don't know.
27:52
We're going to meet our week. Sorry.
27:54
Second highlight of the year. Lindsay, you have been
27:57
reacquainting yourself with old loves and getting something
28:02
ready. So what have you been up to?
28:04
So my E36M3 track car has come back to life thanks to Troy and.
28:12
Troy Racing. Right Troy Racing, run by Tori
28:16
Alonzo. So the car was parked in 2019,
28:20
and at the time that it was parked, it had a decades long
28:25
electrical gremlin or gremlin that people were slowly starting
28:29
to suspect was electrical. Which if anybody has ever tried
28:32
to chase one of those down, you know what a thankless nightmare
28:36
that is. That was the era of
28:39
biodegradable wiring harnesses, too.
28:41
Let's just for the record, right?
28:44
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It would stumble on the street
28:49
and like, I would joke, you know, just trying to find the
28:52
humor in the situation. It would be absolute perfection
28:55
on the track. I would pull off the track to
28:58
like go back to my spot in the paddock and it would stumble as
29:01
I was literally pulling off the track.
29:02
And I'm like, listen, I understand that your happy place
29:05
is on the track, but I have to be able to get from the track
29:09
entrance and exit to our parking spot.
29:12
And like, you know, so just, and then got to the point where it
29:15
was like stumbling more and more and then just different
29:21
circumstances. The car ended up being parked in
29:22
2019 and I have dragged it behind me like a questionable
29:28
anchor for the last few years, wondering what I was doing with
29:32
this giant silver paperweight. And Tori and I started talking
29:36
about it and I was describing the issue and he said, well,
29:39
what if we just put a new battery in it and like maybe
29:42
change out the spark plugs? And I don't think I've ever seen
29:47
him or Cheshire Cat grin when he came upstairs with the old spark
29:50
plugs. We're going to play a little one
29:54
of these things. It's not like the other.
29:56
And he started setting them down 1 by 1 and he got to the 6th one
29:59
which had 0 electrodes left. Wow, we saw a picture of this,
30:03
in fact. Yeah, follow Insty.
30:05
Insty Well Lindsay on Instagram because there's a photo of this
30:09
thing and it is gone. No election.
30:12
Does that mean? You're going to sack your
30:14
original mechanic. Consider him sacked.
30:18
And you'll fire. This this ship has a new
30:21
captain. I'm, I'm afraid we're.
30:23
Co captains or whatever. Yeah.
30:26
Yeah. I mean, this guy's invaluable,
30:29
right? We should all have a a Tony, a
30:31
Tory Troy. Right.
30:33
In our. Lives get yourself a Troy.
30:35
Yeah, well, one of my one of my friends in Seattle was laughing
30:41
because she said, yeah, he posted like, all right, let's
30:44
see, you know, let's start investigating the car.
30:46
And she goes like an hour later, he posted.
30:48
It was running. It was turned around.
30:49
He's an unsolved mystery solved in record.
30:53
Yeah. Yeah.
30:55
Not much of A show, but. It's such a good looking thing
30:59
that car and I always running the record saying the four door
31:03
looks better than the 2 door. Well, and the the ironic part of
31:07
the fact that it's a 4 door is that when I was looking for one,
31:10
I said it has to be the sedan version which they only made for
31:13
two years because I want to be able to take people.
31:16
And the car now is a 4 door 2 seater because the backseat got
31:22
ripped out. It's got 1/2 cage in it like.
31:25
Yeah, that's like a GR Corolla. What was the?
31:28
Oh, it's the Marito. W Marito Edition.
31:32
Yes. Right, yes, a homemade marito.
31:35
Yeah, but it's, you know, and it's funny because in the
31:40
interim, you know, from 2019 to now, there was another, there
31:44
was a stock one that came up and it was literally the exact
31:46
configuration of mine. It was a 4 door silver, you
31:50
know, integrated like stock spoiler that came with it from
31:53
the factory and all this. And I saw that one and I'm like,
31:56
well, maybe I just need that. So I went and test drove it and
32:00
I hadn't driven mine in probably four years at that point.
32:03
And I'm like, well, this will be a good test to see like, do I
32:06
even really like these anymore? And Paul Kramer likes to
32:10
describe when someone, when you get a car that's new to you and
32:14
you start going like, oh, I'm going to update this and I'm
32:16
going to update this and I'm going to make this change.
32:18
He calls it nesting and I realized part way through the
32:21
1st test drive that mental in my head I was nesting already with
32:24
this car so I'm like all right I still like them.
32:27
So luckily I hung on to mine and it is now registered on the
32:33
street as well so. Nice.
32:36
It has been doing a lot of the school runs and delighting my
32:39
family. I love it, I love it.
32:41
Yeah. I mean, it's like I think.
32:43
Story as old as time, though, right like you have a car
32:46
something you know well, you don't know something goes wrong
32:48
with it and you just set it aside and it becomes part of the
32:50
landscape and you know and it's it's I'm so glad that you
32:55
revived it because it's these are so good they're.
32:58
So good. I mean, and honestly it's like
33:01
and and it has never run better. Truly like and it was the most
33:05
basic fix. No, my dad did remind me the
33:09
engine was replaced in that car because it ended up with oil
33:12
starvation during a track day. And the engine.
33:14
Oh really? So it's not OK?
33:17
It's not the stock engine and obviously we don't know what the
33:19
mileage was on the engine like the replacement engine.
33:23
So the spark plugs that were in it came with the replacement
33:25
engine, but. Still Oh, OK, OK.
33:28
Was that a thing in those cars, the oil starvation?
33:30
I mean, it's a pretty common thing, especially with like, you
33:32
know, increasing technologies and.
33:34
Tracking them like ideally you would put in like a baffled oil
33:39
pan so that it, you know, holds it doesn't like all end up on
33:42
one side, which is what happened with my car.
33:43
Sure, sure. But that just means you were
33:46
moving. Well, I wasn't the one driving
33:48
it actually at that point, but yes, I can.
33:51
I can a test that the car was not slow and it was being driven
33:56
spiritedly at the time. So yeah.
33:58
But yeah, I love it so much. And because it's never run
34:02
better, like I have full confidence in it and it's like
34:06
I'm just getting to enjoy it and get reacquainted.
34:08
And you know my daughter, because it was a track car and
34:11
it had no back seats and she was little.
34:13
Like she rode in it for like 1/2 a block one time her entire life
34:18
up until it was parked. So we're now getting to enjoy it
34:22
together too. And like her smile when I pick
34:25
her up at school in it. And there've been some really
34:28
cute conversations like that we've overheard as the kids walk
34:32
out of school. Like there was this one really
34:34
adorable little boy. He and his friend were walking
34:36
out and they saw it because it's got race seats and it's got
34:39
harnesses and it's got a key. And so like if you look in the
34:42
window, you're like, something's different here.
34:44
And that car show podcast sticker.
34:48
And that car show podcast sticker which adds 25
34:50
horsepower, I'm told. I don't know according.
34:53
To. I don't know.
34:54
That's what Troy says. Who knows?
34:55
But he seems to know what he's doing now.
34:58
It's a revolving right? I know.
35:01
And so this one, little kids or little kid, I mean, they're
35:05
junior high, said to his friend. Like, I think it's probably a
35:08
drift car. Yeah, I think so.
35:10
And then he happened to walk like they happened to be walking
35:13
by right as I started it. And then he said with great
35:17
authority to his friend. Oh, yeah, obviously you can tell
35:19
by how it sounds. It's a drift car.
35:21
Yeah, yeah. What's?
35:22
Up and then did he say and it's got new spark plugs?
35:25
Yeah. You hear that?
35:27
That is distinctly the sound of brand new spark plugs.
35:30
Right. Are are Bosch platinum plugs
35:33
still the move? Like I haven't replaced spark
35:35
plugs in a minute. Well, so that was how, that's
35:39
how we know that the plugs that were replaced, they were the
35:42
original plugs on the replacement engine because they
35:45
said made in Germany and they haven't used those in a long
35:48
time. Oh, OK, where are they made now?
35:52
I mean, not Germany. Not Germany.
35:54
I'm. Going to go with not Germany.
35:58
I mean, I would guess I feel like the default safe answer.
36:00
Is strange. Oh yeah.
36:02
But opened it up so it could be anywhere.
36:04
Not Germany, yeah. So I tried to drive a car this
36:09
weekend, try to test drive the car and test drive another car.
36:13
I've always wanted to try the Lotus Elise and.
36:18
Because it's wonderful. Because it appears to be
36:21
wonderful. So I went to Beverly Hills
36:24
Lotus. They'd organized for the car to
36:26
be available for me to have a look at and drive.
36:28
That's a place. It is a place, yeah, and, and
36:32
very nice people. OK, they have a Undercroft car
36:35
park. So I I met the sales guy in the
36:38
Undercroft car park. What does that mean for us
36:39
Americans? An underground.
36:41
An underground car. Park OK?
36:42
Yeah, OK. So it was there in this
36:44
underground car park and they didn't have the keys, but the
36:48
car was open. So he said to me, you know, go
36:52
look at it, sit in there, all that sort of good stuff, and
36:54
I'll be back with the keys. So anyway, I opened the door.
36:58
The first thing I didn't realize is how big that seal is.
37:02
So you've got a seal because it's a, you know, a tub.
37:05
So you've got this seal and then you've got the seat.
37:09
The car still has the hard top on it.
37:13
So anyway, I managed to lower my little bottom onto the seal and
37:18
push myself into the car. The sales guy is still not
37:21
around and I'm like, I don't fit in this.
37:25
The steering wheel was minute. So before he came back, I
37:29
thought, I'll get out. Getting out of that car was it
37:33
was an act of contortionism. It was a an act of losing my
37:37
dignity. I literally had to crawl out
37:39
onto the floor and. Lotus of Beverly Hills, I'd love
37:44
to see that security video. That's you got it handy.
37:47
Thank goodness. For not having an audience,
37:50
right? Right.
37:51
I'm so glad he'd gone to get the keys and when he came back I
37:54
went, yeah, I don't fit in it. Lindsay, have you ever driven in
37:57
the lease? I haven't, no.
38:00
I think I would. Love to they are bucket list
38:03
cars, but I could barely fit in when I was, you know, 30 and fit
38:07
right. There's no way I'd be getting in
38:09
one now much, you know, like Dan and which is a shame because
38:12
it's just amazing. They're amazing.
38:15
You know, there's manual steering.
38:17
There's just I mean, it is, you know, this, this, this term like
38:21
a go Kart, right, which has been overused for for years and years
38:24
and years. I mean, there's nothing else
38:26
that is that that fits that description better than.
38:29
It's like a. Like one of the early, you know,
38:31
distilled. Small like.
38:32
Go karty like it was one of the only things like it at the time
38:37
when. It came out, yeah.
38:38
Yeah, I was so disappointed. I I didn't fit.
38:41
I really wanted to fit. I will say I think if the top
38:44
was if the top were off, I think you could fit.
38:47
Yeah, but also like that steering.
38:49
Wheel is about 12 inches across the.
38:50
Steering wheel is minute, the pedals are so close to each
38:54
other and the steep kind of digged in so they're.
38:56
Like extruded aluminum, though, it's so like supercar in a way,
39:00
you know, and but yeah, small. So so I went to test drive an M4
39:05
convertible after that, which I did fit in perfectly.
39:09
It's interesting because I don't know whether we've just become
39:13
desensitized to speed, but it didn't feel that quick.
39:20
And it, for the record, has 485 horsepower or something.
39:25
I think it's around. It was a competition, so I think
39:27
it's 495 maybe. OK, OK.
39:30
So in theory, on paper, it's a quick, quick car and I was in
39:34
sport, man. I put my foot down, but it just
39:36
didn't like it. It was quick, but it wasn't as
39:40
quick as I thought it was going to be, which was a real
39:43
surprise. Do you feel like, did you feel
39:45
like there was any hesitation in the response or do you feel like
39:48
it's because cars have become so insulated that you don't have
39:53
the sensation of it was responding the way that you'd
39:56
expect, but you were insulated from it?
39:59
It could be both, it could be both.
40:01
I mean, you know, it's, it didn't have an instant pick up.
40:04
It kind of took a second. But you know, comfortable car
40:09
it, it was the other thing that I thought about was you can tell
40:13
the lineage. So I used to have an E46 and you
40:16
could tell you were sitting in a product that had evolved from
40:19
the E46. Would you rather have an E46?
40:22
Yeah, absolutely. Hands down if it was reliable
40:25
and the the and. Now you know.
40:27
The back falls out of them, doesn't it?
40:29
So if that had all been sorted right.
40:32
I'd want post back falling out of and being addressed then yes.
40:39
Yes, yeah. So on the completely, yeah, I
40:42
would rather yeah, can. We pose this question to the
40:45
audience. Sorry, Lindsey, go ahead.
40:47
That's. No, I mean, I had an E46 two for
40:49
a time and like I still think about it.
40:51
I mean there was just there was something like so good about
40:54
that, I think. And Dan, I don't know what your
40:57
sense is about this, but like they were such a leap forward
41:00
from the E36 too, which obviously I love the E36, but it
41:04
was so different. You know, like the E46 was the
41:06
first car that I experienced with like a steering wheel that
41:09
had real, you know, diameter to it, like to the actual steering
41:12
wheel. And it was just such a level up
41:14
in terms of like the appointments in the interior.
41:17
And it was like it felt incredibly luxurious and it was
41:22
a performance car. And I think they've, I think
41:25
they've stood the test of time in a lot of ways too.
41:27
Yeah, yeah. Pose the question in the
41:31
audience. What, what?
41:31
What should Dan buy? You know, so at least it's out
41:35
of the question. Sounds like underwhelmed by a
41:37
new M4 comp. I'm trying to test drive
41:41
something this weekend, yeah. But may we guess?
41:45
Well, Mercedes-Benz of let me just say that Mercedes-Benz of
41:50
Beverly Hills are not as good as getting information.
41:54
I'm still waiting for a spec sheet on the car a day later,
41:57
whereas I texted a friend of ours and he sent me the spec
42:00
sheet of that car within 5 minutes.
42:03
So that might help you like a. Friend of ours.
42:06
Yeah. Can you guess?
42:09
Well, I'm going to say GT63 because I had a revelation or a
42:15
vision of you in this thing, and I think it might be perfect.
42:19
But it's not convertible. Has to be convertible.
42:24
Is that because that now that you're in LA you want something
42:26
convertible? Yeah, I'm not going to do many
42:29
miles. When I do do miles I want the
42:31
top down and. Right, you want the full
42:33
experience. That makes sense.
42:35
Yeah. And it's a Mercedes.
42:38
No, I didn't say it was a Mercedes and I said that a
42:40
friend of ours got the spec sheet, so that should.
42:42
Help. So then it's a Porsche.
42:43
Maybe it's. A spider, right?
42:48
I can't afford a spider. They've gone up in value so
42:50
much. Just get yourself a GT4.
42:54
Right. And then?
42:57
Oh yes, I approve and. We'll see whether they let me
43:04
test drive it after they've not given me any specs on it.
43:07
And that is the better car for your situation than a Spyder or
43:11
GT4. We're going to be scraping the
43:12
shit out of the front lip everywhere you go.
43:14
Get the GTS 4 point O. That is a wonderful car.
43:18
Wonderful. Car the only downside?
43:19
Is it PDK? So like I would have loved a
43:24
manual but right? But everything else is right.
43:28
But you're in LA, you're in LA, you're allowed.
43:31
That's true. I'm just going to get the spec
43:33
on it. So it's guards red.
43:34
Oh, that's such a which is kind of a good Porsche color, isn't
43:39
it? It is.
43:40
Great Porsche color steering wheel.
43:44
It's got the adaptive 18 way seats, ventilated seats, I'm not
43:49
sure. About them, it's.
43:50
A navigation including Porsche Connect, because that was a 2300
43:55
option, like it's, yeah. My GT4 doesn't have it, so it
44:00
must be NAV. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
44:02
And and it will allow you to connect your phone, which was
44:05
also a separate option without the NAV if I recall.
44:07
But yeah. Interesting.
44:09
Yeah. So I.
44:09
Mean, I kind of like the idea of Dan getting a GT4 and then we
44:14
can change the name of the show to the GT 4 show.
44:19
GD4 and friends. Yeah, well, I fully support the
44:24
GTS, you know, 40, I I think it's a wonderful car.
44:28
And this is a Boxster. Yes, it's a Boxster.
44:30
Would you trade in? Like would I get rid of my SQ5
44:34
which I'd have to do based on that price?
44:36
Like would you sacrifice? I think probably would, yeah.
44:40
I think you'd love that car. I think you'd have it for a long
44:43
time and and I think you'd have such amazing adventures and
44:47
you'd meet the most interesting people in that car.
44:49
I think that's you get all the credit, you know, good vibes.
44:53
I I just, I think that's a great car.
44:54
I think it's a great choice for you and it's so obvious but
44:58
didn't think about it. Well, and the nice thing is if
45:00
you trade in the SQ 5, then the only option is to drive the GTS,
45:06
which is really like that's I mean, that's why we're here,
45:09
right? It's like always be driving
45:12
forces you to enjoy your fun car.
45:15
Yeah, you could do that in Lai think you could get away with
45:17
that, sure. Yeah, yeah, when I watch this
45:20
space. We'll see if they come.
45:21
Back to make it for you. With any details so.
45:24
I'd love it in LA. And a red Porsche.
45:27
Just like living your best life. Fully embracing the whole thing.
45:33
Yeah. So Speaking of Porsches, someone
45:37
should have biggest smile on their face.
45:40
In the next. Month Because, Ryan, you had an
45:45
incident a few weeks ago where you tried to drive a Diablo and
45:48
it broke before you got behind the wheel.
45:50
Yeah, the same owner then trusted you behind the wheel of
45:55
something even more expensive. So what have you been up to?
45:57
Yeah, so if you listen to the show for a while, you know that
46:00
I write for Autoblog as well. And I've, I've, I had proposed
46:02
this series of articles around like the poster cars of my youth
46:06
and sort of beyond. And so I got to drive a Ferrari
46:09
355, which I actually got to drive again today.
46:12
If you read the article, got to drive it again today, but
46:14
without the, the, the race seats and with the stock seats out if
46:17
it just fine. Still weird driving position,
46:19
but it was fine. The Diablo, thank God, I was not
46:22
behind the wheel, but the Diablo broke some sort of of linkage in
46:25
very dramatic fashion. And, and, and we couldn't write
46:28
about that. So the same owner, Brian, bless
46:33
his heart, but has been so kind to me.
46:35
What do you want to drive next, right?
46:37
And there was an F40 which caught my eye, but that's having
46:40
some work done to it. So we next went to the career GT
46:45
and and you, you both know that queer GT is a dream car, right?
46:49
It is a, there's so much mythology around this thing,
46:52
right? You know, the clutch, right?
46:55
That, that it'll kill you that it's, it's you know, and, and so
46:59
I wanted to go into driving this thing and deciding if, if these
47:01
things, if there's any truth to these rumors, right?
47:04
And you may know, but very recently there was a recall with
47:09
a Courage ET and they replaced. Yeah, yeah.
47:14
So yeah, it was, it was of course, lots of people I think
47:16
kept driving them. But right.
47:18
But basically they updated some suspension bits.
47:21
And then the big thing was they fitted the car with a tire that
47:25
it is deserved for the last 20 years, which is a Cup 2 that's
47:28
built for the car, right. So it's an end spec, you know,
47:31
Porsche spec, which by the way, I saw a presentation from
47:35
Michelin on cup twos and how each model is is individually
47:41
sort of built for different manufacturers and things.
47:43
So like a cup 2 for like a again, a GT63 with all the
47:47
weight up front is a very different, a differently
47:49
constructed tire than something for like a GT3 or career GT.
47:52
But anyway, Ryan, you. Guys on Carrera GT and then you
47:57
started talking about tires. Come on.
47:58
Oh. Sorry.
47:59
OK, OK. Well, I just want to say.
48:00
So this. Car had had yeah, this car had
48:04
the the the the recall service done and that included these new
48:08
Cup tires. And as we all know, if you're
48:10
listening to this podcast, you've read the articles about
48:12
how the Carrera GT very recently circled the Nurburgring 16
48:18
seconds. I think it was quicker than the
48:21
than the same car did back in 05 S 20 years ago.
48:24
And and that's nothing but tigers basically, right.
48:27
So this is a car that I think was had this sort of, you know,
48:31
people thought this car was dangerous.
48:32
Obviously there's, you know, very famously Paul Walker and
48:35
all this. But yeah, you know, the
48:37
consensus now seems to be that this tire or this car was was
48:40
was way ahead of the tire, right?
48:42
And and now this car has a tire that it it deserves.
48:45
So so yes, to get to the point, I got to drive one of my all
48:49
time dream cars, a Carrera GT today and talk about a car that
48:53
probably cost more than my house, right?
48:55
And that, that, you know, you go on with some nerves, right?
48:59
And, and again, this is a car that has a clutch that you, I, I
49:03
think maybe uniquely, you do not depress the accelerator as you
49:07
are engaging the clutch, right? Once you're moving, then you
49:11
drive it like a normal, normal, normal car, normal, normal horse
49:14
ship. But, but it's that initial
49:16
thing, the clutch is $40,000. And that's just for the part,
49:19
right? So.
49:22
So you make sure I had my coffee this morning.
49:25
You said in the garden you're about to start driving, Yes.
49:29
So you're cutting. Clutch.
49:31
Yes. You build up some Revs.
49:34
No you don't. Do not build up any Revs.
49:36
This is why they don't let me drive them come on August
49:38
through the process of driving a CGT.
49:40
Sure. So you get in and it's got the
49:42
old Porsche buckets for starters, right?
49:45
So not what you get in a 918 or, you know, GT4GT3 or whatever,
49:48
right? So they are they're different
49:51
and they're very comfortable and they're, I felt like they were
49:54
quite accommodating versus the current ones like, you know, I
49:57
didn't get the pinch in my my hips like, you know, maybe I
50:00
would in the the newer ones. How do you?
50:01
Drive the fucking thing, OK? So you get in and you it's just.
50:07
But you need to wear this too. Come on, I.
50:09
Will I will all right make it? On Spotify to see Dan's head
50:12
explode. Yes.
50:14
Hey, we've got time, right? We're only 49 minutes in.
50:17
This is this is a spiritual experience.
50:18
You've got to bear with me here. This is you know, I have seen
50:20
the mountain and it was good, right?
50:23
And of course it sounds amazing on cold start because it's AV
50:28
10. I think it's 605 horsepower or
50:31
something. I should probably check my facts
50:32
and figures, but you know, it just it sounds unlike anything
50:36
else right, But yet it's very Porsche like you look around it
50:40
is everything's bespoke right. The the the radio is this little
50:43
thing that's about 3 inches across right versus a versus a a
50:47
standard. The thing drives amazing.
50:50
That's what I'm hitting it. That's really good, but it's the
50:53
whole experience. It's.
50:54
Kind of quick the show right now.
50:56
It's a special thing. It's not just about driving,
50:59
it's about sitting it and taking it all in.
51:01
And how do you start it? How do you?
51:02
You start it like a regular car, but it's.
51:05
What does it smell like? It smells like rich people, you
51:09
know? It smells like dance aggravation
51:14
and it doesn't. Smell like.
51:17
Guys, it was so good. It was so good, but it felt like
51:20
a Porsche. It felt like a Porsche.
51:22
What's interesting is the flywheel must be about, you
51:25
know, the size of a nickel because the power is immediate,
51:29
right? The the Revs fall and and and
51:31
you know, build like like nothing.
51:33
It's one of those cars, and I think really only super cars
51:36
manage this, where this thing has a red line of 8500 and it's
51:40
just getting going when you have to shift right.
51:42
So many cars drop off right when you have a red line.
51:45
This this thing was an F1 engine or if I'm not mistaken, right,
51:48
this thing was designed for Lamont.
51:49
This thing probably had an original red line of 12,000 or
51:53
something, right? And so they've dialed it back,
51:55
right? And it just wanted to keep
51:57
going. But it's that immediacy, right?
52:00
It's just it was it was epic. It was absolutely epic.
52:03
It was absolutely epic. I highly recommend you know the
52:06
whole, if you have the means, make it happen because it is so
52:09
good. Now.
52:09
Is it a million and a half dollar driving experience,
52:12
right? I mean, I don't know.
52:14
We have to tune into Autoblog to find out.
52:18
Yeah. You don't.
52:21
So I want to understand the process in case I ever drive
52:25
one, right? Yeah.
52:26
So you sit there, you've turned the engine on.
52:28
Yes. You engage the clutch.
52:32
Yes, foot on the clutch, foot on the brake, as you would any
52:34
other manual. Car, then you put it into gear.
52:38
Put it into gear. Yep.
52:40
And then you slowly just lift off the clutch without touching
52:43
the accelerator. Yeah, first you take off the
52:45
parking brake, which is a traditional handbrake, but it's
52:48
on the left, right? Yes, you just slowly lift off
52:52
the clutch and then until you know you, you don't want to put,
52:56
you don't want to touch the accelerator until you have
52:58
completely come off the clutch. Yeah, easier said than done
53:02
because it is their bottom hinged, which I guess I didn't
53:06
know. So you know, I think I thought
53:08
bottom hinge pedals for Porsche went out with the last of the
53:11
air cools, right. Then three, these are are bottom
53:14
hinged. They're like again, they're
53:15
these aluminum pedals and the clutch is is sprung very heavily
53:20
and it's not linear. So it's a, it's a little tricky,
53:23
right? And you know, but you do it,
53:25
right? Because you have no choice,
53:27
right? And there any risk of stalling?
53:29
Like does the engine tell you it's going to stall?
53:32
Thank God I didn't stall, right. You know, it's got so much
53:35
power, which which which which helps, but no, it's just, I
53:37
think it might even be a like an automated thing.
53:40
Yeah. Where it's just, you know,
53:42
that's, you know, it's, it's built into the programming that
53:45
that's how it gets moving. You know, it's, it's it's weird.
53:49
And, you know, I caught myself a couple times trying to, you
53:52
know, ease in with. Yeah, I was going to say, did
53:54
you have to thank God I did. Your instincts of like normal
53:57
manual driving. Absolutely.
53:59
And Brian, who owned the thing, you know, I caught him at least
54:02
once, right? Doing that, right?
54:03
Because it's just your natural you, you know, that's what
54:06
you're taught to do. And is it a bad thing to like,
54:08
ride the clutch? Yeah, absolutely.
54:11
I mean, I did. I sure as hell didn't.
54:12
Because screwed, Oh man, you know, But once you're moving,
54:16
it's an absolutely normal car. It really is, you know, it's
54:21
just, it's really, really good. It doesn't really drive like any
54:23
other Porsche I've driven. It definitely feels like a GT
54:27
car or something, but it moves around in a way.
54:28
It's a little twitchy, even with the the recall stuff, the
54:31
suspension bits and the tires. And as Brian, the owner says, I
54:35
never push it to its limits. I'll push my GT3, you know, Rs
54:38
to its limits. I'll push my 3:55 to its limits
54:41
on the track. There's something there's like a
54:43
little bit left that you know, it's, you know, the Angel share
54:47
or whatever. You just don't touch, right?
54:48
You just, you kind of just let that be you just let that be.
54:51
And, and, and it demands respects it respect, it commands
54:55
respect, right? It you feel that there's
54:56
something more here that's beyond you as a driver, even if
55:00
you're a good driver. And yeah, I mean, it, it I was
55:03
laughing out loud, though, I mean, and that that's only
55:05
happened a handful of times. And granted, one time it was in
55:07
a Miata, but, you know, that's a rare, a rare thing in a car.
55:12
No. Yeah, it was, it was, it was
55:15
awesome, but it was also nerve wracking.
55:18
And it also, despite its excellence, made me appreciate
55:21
something like the GT4 at a 10th or 15th or whatever of the
55:25
price, right? You know, it is, it is, you
55:27
know, you get in, you just everything works as it should.
55:31
You know it, the clutch is not $40,000, right?
55:35
So it is, it is an excellent, excellent thing.
55:37
You should absolutely drive one given the experience.
55:39
If I had the money, I would buy one in a heartbeat.
55:42
But it is a, it's an expensive car and it is a car that, again,
55:46
Brian, the owner would say he doesn't take it on all the time
55:48
because it's kind of a pain in the ass, right?
55:50
Like, you know, you don't want to misstep, you don't want to
55:53
burn the clutch. You know, you've got to be very
55:55
careful. It's a very low right and shout
55:57
out to our buddy Tom Moran, chair of the Colorado Grand, who
56:00
I think owned a couple back in the day, may or may not be
56:02
shopping for one now. But he said the first time he at
56:05
78 miles an hour or whatever it is in the, the, the wing rose
56:09
up. It really freaked him out right.
56:13
Like it, it, it scared him. I mean, it's because it's a
56:15
massive thing that all of a sudden just appears, you know,
56:18
in the in the rear view. So epic.
56:21
You know, I, I think almost certainly the most expensive car
56:24
I've ever driven. And, you know, and, and it, but
56:28
it, it, it lived up to that. It felt special.
56:31
It felt great. It, it was amazing.
56:33
And you know, I yeah, go drive with guys and let's compare. 10
56:38
out of 10. 10 out of 10, you know, but as I alluded to
56:43
before, I was able to then get back into his 355 with, with the
56:48
factory seats and, you know, and that really kind of made sense
56:51
to me too, in a way that it hadn't before in a very, very
56:53
different car, but also a special.
56:56
And then I got to drive across town to lunch and have have
56:59
lunch with our buddy Dan Mcinnis and got to drive his 912 and
57:04
that's another car. Have either of you driven a 912?
57:07
Not yet. No, but it sounds like you did
57:10
it in the wrong order. I know, I know, I know.
57:13
Well, even Dan himself referred to the 912 as a palate cleanser.
57:17
Yeah. Exactly.
57:19
A salty cracker, if you will. Yeah.
57:23
There's a little bite of sorbet and.
57:25
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly.
57:28
I have one more question about the courage.
57:29
Yeah, please. So once you get moving, then
57:34
when you're shifting gears like after you're driving, are you
57:38
still not? Do you still stay off the
57:40
accelerator? And no, no, once, yeah, once you
57:44
are, are, are moving, you're, you're good to drive it like
57:47
anything else. And of course it has this
57:48
amazing shifter that's up in the dashboard like an old alpha
57:51
spider or something. It's this balsa wood or
57:53
whatever, you know, shifter that's delicate.
57:56
And, and you know, it's, it's like you're shifting with like a
57:59
lollipop or something. It's just, it's the amazing.
58:02
Sensation 917 isn't it? Yes, yes.
58:07
And you wonder why more cars don't have that sort of position
58:10
for the shifter and maybe it's packaging or what have you.
58:13
And Speaking of the Corvette, to bring this full circle, you
58:16
realize how much the, the, the the C8 apes from from the queer
58:21
GT, right with that, you know, the, the, the bit with a call it
58:25
the buttress or whatever that comes down the middle with it,
58:27
with the buttons and things. It's very similar.
58:28
It's all I could think about. But yeah, it's, it's, I don't
58:34
know. Am I getting this GT4?
58:36
Yeah. Am I getting this GT 4 though?
58:38
And say, oh man, this just it doesn't feel like it used to,
58:41
but it's a special car for special occasions.
58:44
It's not an everyday car, right? I absolutely get why, you know
58:48
why they're as popular as they aren't as as expensive as they
58:50
are. This one had 9000 miles, which I
58:53
think kind of puts it in the middle for mileage, right?
58:56
Because so many of them just didn't get driven.
58:57
But here's the other thing. Shocked they built 12173 of
59:00
these things. That's nothing.
59:02
They built more F 40s than they did career GTS which blew my
59:06
mind. Well, is there any data on how
59:09
many are have survived to this point?
59:12
Yeah, I don't, I, I don't know, I don't know, but you know, a
59:15
lot, I think at this point, unless, unless it's really gone,
59:18
it will be rebuilt, right. So, and speaking with Brian, he
59:22
did come across a couple of those, right.
59:24
And in the, in the, in the search process for a, for a car.
59:27
So they're out there as well, but they're amazing.
59:30
I mean, they're special. You know, it's, it's rare that
59:32
you get in a car that really does feel special, right?
59:35
This car doesn't share parts with, you know, Cayman or 911.
59:39
It just doesn't right. It's it's none of that thing
59:43
there. You know, you take the target
59:44
top pieces off, you put them in the in the in the in the in the
59:48
front right, and they just fit perfectly.
59:50
And then where a normal car would have the the top latch in
59:55
the HGT has little plastic sliders to cover up, you know,
59:58
the unsightliness that is that are the latches right?
1:00:02
You know, I mean, you know, beat that Lotus.
1:00:05
The eyes that are latches. Yeah, so, so sorry for the ramp,
1:00:09
but that this was an epic, an epic day of of of driving.
1:00:12
We just. Wanted the details.
1:00:14
Yeah, we wanted the details. So did you guys see, you know, I
1:00:18
think it was like the last two to three years Porsche took a
1:00:22
career GT and like stripped it down and redid it and it's the
1:00:26
Speedster Blue 1 and it was up for auction a few years ago.
1:00:30
And then it was actually, I got to see it again.
1:00:32
So I got to see it a couple years ago at one of the Haggerty
1:00:36
locations. And then it was actually at Air
1:00:38
Water this year, so I got to see it again.
1:00:40
And I know what you mean, Ryan, because you walk up to it and
1:00:43
it's like there's almost a like an aura.
1:00:47
You know, there's a real presence to those cars and
1:00:49
especially that one because it was such a unique example.
1:00:52
And it was a color they never came in like I they may have
1:00:55
even developed the color just for this project.
1:00:58
But yeah, I mean, it's like there's almost a vibration just
1:01:01
looking at it. So I can't imagine driving it
1:01:04
would be, you know, just a whole another level.
1:01:08
Yeah, it's, it is, it is everything you think it's going
1:01:12
to be and more, you know, and that's, and that's it.
1:01:16
But it's not something to be scared of.
1:01:18
You follow that simple instruction of of being careful
1:01:20
with a clutch, right? Yeah.
1:01:22
And after that, it's a normal car.
1:01:24
It drives like a Porsche, right? Just a really, really powerful,
1:01:27
excellent, amazing sounding Porsche so.
1:01:30
Well, we look forward to reading about it when you publish that
1:01:32
article. Absolutely.
1:01:34
Thank you. Yeah, thanks for indulging me.
1:01:36
That was a this was a good one. This was a fun one.
1:01:38
This was a fun day. Yeah, I kind of feel like it's
1:01:41
my turn next. Lindsay's had a Gunther Works,
1:01:43
Ryan's had his Carrera GT. Yeah, what's?
1:01:46
Next, and I've got a Lotus Elise that don't fit in so right.
1:01:49
It's got to be something soon. Well, I'm thinking, I'm thinking
1:01:53
box your. Yeah, maybe, maybe we will say
1:01:58
We will say it. Would it would anything else for
1:02:03
you folks? Anything going on this weekend?
1:02:06
You know, shout out to Avance. They're doing a little get
1:02:08
together at Spinelli's market in Denver.
1:02:10
If you hear this, check their website.
1:02:13
Those are always fun. That's fuel fed I think has a
1:02:18
cars and caffeine this weekend as well in Boulder.
1:02:20
So do them both if you can. Nice.
1:02:23
How about you? Dan Lindsay, you up too much?
1:02:26
Nothing yet. OK, more more rides in the M3.
1:02:31
Yeah, I want to drive this thing.
1:02:33
I really, really do because I never got to drive one back in
1:02:36
the day. You know, they were just out of
1:02:37
my right league. Well, I mean, this one, it
1:02:41
definitely would feel different because like all the suspension
1:02:44
and the bushings and everything has been changed.
1:02:47
But yeah, anytime you're in town, let me know.
1:02:51
Yeah, there. We go make that happen.
1:02:53
Another reason to go visit. Exactly.
1:02:58
Well, I think. Dan, what about you?
1:02:59
Sorry, I didn't. I don't want to pass her.
1:03:01
What are you doing this weekend? Oh, if Beverly Hills Mercedes
1:03:04
calls me back, I'm test driving a GTS.
1:03:07
If they don't, I'm not well. Fingers crossed they call you
1:03:13
back and you get to go test drive it and then we can hear
1:03:15
all about it next week. Yes, yes, it will fit.
1:03:17
It will be awesome. Otherwise it'll be a a complaint
1:03:21
about a dealer next week. We might do a a complaints show.
1:03:27
I think we could probably fill a couple of.
1:03:29
We got lots of stories about dealers and.
1:03:32
But just to a close circle on that, it was our good friend
1:03:35
John Doster, who literally within two minutes was able to
1:03:38
give me the full history on the car, the full spec.
1:03:41
And I, I don't know whether I'm breaking him into jail for
1:03:44
telling you that, but, you know, these guys are really good at
1:03:47
customer service. Yeah.
1:03:48
They are they. Are Yep, John's the best for?
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Sure, absolutely. Right.
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I think that's a show. Who's going to give us the
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phrase? The phrase that pays as they
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say. Not it.
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Yeah, Linds, you're good at it. All right, my turn.
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As we say, thanks for joining us and always be driving.
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A Carrera GT, Yeah, if you can, yeah.
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With great tires, yeah. Everyone, my dreams all night
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tonight. Until next week, it's that car
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show.