Latest / The Breakfast Club / INTERVIEW: Lizzo On Self-Love, Weight Release, Industry Exploits, Streaming, New Music + More
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- 0:46Speaker 1: Breakfast Club Morning, Everybody's DJ NV Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne, the Guide.
- 0:52Speaker 1: We are the Breakfast Club law La Rosa is here
- 0:54Speaker 1: as well, and we got a special guest in the building.
- 0:57Speaker 3: Indeed, Lizzen that's up.
- 1:00Speaker 4: Hi.
- 1:02Speaker 3: How you feel?
- 1:03Speaker 4: I feel good, I'm a little sleepy. I'm not gonna lie.
- 1:06Speaker 3: You look good.
- 1:07Speaker 5: Everybody talks about your physical appearance and how you lost weight.
- 1:10Speaker 5: But to me, I see somebody that has changed mentally
- 1:14Speaker 5: and spiritually. I see somebody that's on a healing journey
- 1:17Speaker 5: because you got to glow about you.
- 1:21Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you. Well that's where it starts.
- 1:24Speaker 6: I think I had to start with, you know, cleaning
- 1:27Speaker 6: out my mind and my energy and clearing out all
- 1:30Speaker 6: of the negativity around me. And I feel like I
- 1:32Speaker 6: released so much I was holding on to and then
- 1:35Speaker 6: it starts to manifest physically as well. Like that's why
- 1:38Speaker 6: I don't call it a weight loss. I do call
- 1:39Speaker 6: it a weight release because it started. I got snatched
- 1:43Speaker 6: here first, and then my body just followed suit.
- 1:45Speaker 4: So I do feel amazing.
- 1:47Speaker 6: I feel like I've always been in a good place
- 1:49Speaker 6: because I'm always a positive person. But I think that
- 1:53Speaker 6: I was not aware of just like how much toxicity
- 1:58Speaker 6: has started.
- 1:59Speaker 4: To kind of come around in my life.
- 2:01Speaker 6: And I had a really beautiful period of isolation and
- 2:06Speaker 6: clearing of that energy. And now I just feel like, oh,
- 2:09Speaker 6: I was holding on it so much.
- 2:11Speaker 4: You gotta let go. It's hard for me.
- 2:13Speaker 6: I'm a tourist, so I'll hold I'll hold the fuck on. Yeah,
- 2:16Speaker 6: hard headed, stubborn, loyal, you know so. But I'm so
- 2:21Speaker 6: glad you feel that it's an aura thing.
- 2:23Speaker 2: Yeah, you can definitely tell me, he said. Pilates helped
- 2:25Speaker 2: a lot with it too, right.
- 2:26Speaker 6: I started out with pilates, yeah, because my back was
- 2:29Speaker 6: hurting and that was the best way to get moving.
- 2:32Speaker 4: But I do a lot of things. I strength train,
- 2:37Speaker 4: I do.
- 2:39Speaker 6: Yoga, sculpt I hike, I played pickleball, I got a
- 2:42Speaker 6: water bike.
- 2:43Speaker 1: You know, a little bit you just Pilotates was one
- 2:45Speaker 1: of the best. I did pilates with my daughter.
- 2:47Speaker 2: Wait, you do PILATEI yeah.
- 2:49Speaker 1: Wanted me to go with because I didn't want to
- 2:52Speaker 1: go at first, but it was you know, you do
- 2:53Speaker 1: some stuff with your daughter.
- 2:55Speaker 2: Yeah, and I did it.
- 2:55Speaker 1: She's twenty one, twenty three, and she took me to
- 2:57Speaker 1: do pilates and it was the most amazing thing. All
- 3:00Speaker 1: my aches, all my pains, he was able to stretch
- 3:03Speaker 1: it out. It was it was I'm the only guy
- 3:04Speaker 1: in there, damn.
- 3:06Speaker 6: Which is crazy because Pilates, that's a man. His name
- 3:09Speaker 6: is Joseph Pilates. A man created it and is designed
- 3:13Speaker 6: to help you with longevity. So he lived to be
- 3:15Speaker 6: like well, I mean, I think he passed away in
- 3:16Speaker 6: a house fire, but he could have lived to be
- 3:18Speaker 6: like two hundred years old.
- 3:20Speaker 2: Just got changed the music a little bit. Sometimes that
- 3:23Speaker 2: music is just don't.
- 3:24Speaker 6: Be funny, stuff that motivates you to keep doing it.
- 3:32Speaker 6: Sometimes need a little I want to hear trap music.
- 3:35Speaker 6: Some trap pilates is crazy. You better trademark that for
- 3:37Speaker 6: somebody taking in Atlanta.
- 3:39Speaker 1: One of our friends, Weezy do that fitness we Need
- 3:45Speaker 1: New York that does.
- 3:46Speaker 3: From the Decision of Decisions podcast.
- 3:48Speaker 5: She has an actual place called trap House Fitiness and
- 3:51Speaker 5: that's what they do.
- 3:52Speaker 6: But is it called trap plates Because I'm a branding girl,
- 3:55Speaker 6: I'm a trademarked that this.
- 3:56Speaker 3: Trap house fitness. I don't know that's cool.
- 3:58Speaker 4: Well, okay, it's not taken. It's a billion dollar idea.
- 4:03Speaker 5: You've always had a form of self love that people
- 4:05Speaker 5: can see, but I feel like it's just.
- 4:06Speaker 3: More radical now.
- 4:08Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it has to be. I have to
- 4:12Speaker 6: fight for it a little bit more, but I think
- 4:14Speaker 6: I always have to fight for it though. Actually I
- 4:16Speaker 6: just think it's just like, as your life changes and
- 4:19Speaker 6: different things happen to you, you gotta you know, move differently. Yeah,
- 4:25Speaker 6: I think it's just a life thing. Like you can't
- 4:27Speaker 6: handle every situation in your life the same you get older,
- 4:29Speaker 6: you grow up.
- 4:30Speaker 4: Everybody can relate to that.
- 4:31Speaker 5: I'm glad you said that because people think radical self
- 4:33Speaker 5: love is a constant state, but no, you gotta fight for.
- 4:35Speaker 3: It every day.
- 4:36Speaker 6: I don't love myself every day when I wake up,
- 4:38Speaker 6: Like some days I do wake up and I'm like, yes,
- 4:41Speaker 6: But some days I wake up and I don't. And
- 4:43Speaker 6: it's it's the act of seeking that, you know, love
- 4:46Speaker 6: for yourself, and you don't actually always have to be love.
- 4:50Speaker 4: It could be like it could be tolerate, you know
- 4:53Speaker 4: what I mean. I'm just or accepting that I.
- 4:55Speaker 6: Don't like it, and I'm cool with that, but I'm
- 4:57Speaker 6: gonna get there one day. It's it's not a monolist,
- 5:01Speaker 6: you know, it's a process.
- 5:03Speaker 7: At what point in your career did you get to
- 5:05Speaker 7: this point where like you even like talk about that
- 5:08Speaker 7: side of it more, Because I feel like when you
- 5:10Speaker 7: first came out, even when you did talk about like
- 5:12Speaker 7: stuff that wasn't as positive, you still kept it so positive.
- 5:14Speaker 7: But now that you stream, you really get into like
- 5:17Speaker 7: how you feel for real, what you're going through, you like,
- 5:20Speaker 7: and it was a lot more protected when Lizzo first
- 5:22Speaker 7: came on the scene. From what I felt like, the
- 5:24Speaker 7: brand was protected a little bit more. But now you're
- 5:26Speaker 7: taking control over a lot more.
- 5:29Speaker 4: I don't know.
- 5:30Speaker 6: I just think people know me a little bit more.
- 5:34Speaker 6: So I think I'm able to communicate things and not
- 5:38Speaker 6: put a bow on it or have a happy ending
- 5:41Speaker 6: because y'all just know me more. I think when I
- 5:43Speaker 6: first came out, people didn't know me. So the brand
- 5:46Speaker 6: is very like one note because it's like, oh, that's
- 5:49Speaker 6: that girl, that's the happy girl who'll be working with
- 5:51Speaker 6: the flu, you know. And but that happens to everybody,
- 5:54Speaker 6: Like any artists, you just become like a thing, you're
- 5:58Speaker 6: not a person. But I think the more we get
- 6:00Speaker 6: to know artists, and the longer they're in the game,
- 6:03Speaker 6: the brand becomes more multifaceted. And I think mine just
- 6:06Speaker 6: expanded a little bit more. So I feel more comfortable communicating.
- 6:09Speaker 6: And also I feel safer on stream talking about these
- 6:12Speaker 6: kinds of things because I know I'm in a room
- 6:14Speaker 6: with people who get me. Y'all understand me, you know me,
- 6:17Speaker 6: so I can tell you how the fuck I'm feeling
- 6:19Speaker 6: or what I went through, and you know, these real
- 6:21Speaker 6: moments that I have, I can share that, and I
- 6:23Speaker 6: arge you you were saying that people are kinder there
- 6:26Speaker 6: as well, like it's a better sense of community on
- 6:29Speaker 6: Twitch and streaming that that's good. When did you were
- 6:33Speaker 6: you scared to before? Were you scared to dive into
- 6:35Speaker 6: that part?
- 6:36Speaker 4: You know?
- 6:37Speaker 6: I always kind of flirted with it because I love
- 6:39Speaker 6: like running my mouth and I love talking and I
- 6:41Speaker 6: love talking to my fans. I've always been this person
- 6:44Speaker 6: like with my social media. So I had a whole
- 6:46Speaker 6: Twitch set up in my house, just ready to go,
- 6:49Speaker 6: and I was like, I was like, I want to
- 6:50Speaker 6: whole stream is set up now, I want games, all
- 6:52Speaker 6: of that, the sims, and it was just in my
- 6:55Speaker 6: house sitting there, and I was kind of intimidated by it.
- 6:58Speaker 6: I would walk by it every day and be like
- 7:00Speaker 6: these days, I'm a stream one of these days. And
- 7:02Speaker 6: then I remember my friend Solana. She was like, bitch,
- 7:08Speaker 6: I'm about to be on kay Sanat like pull up
- 7:10Speaker 6: with me. And I was literally I was like when
- 7:12Speaker 6: she was like in two hours, I said, okay, let
- 7:14Speaker 6: me get myself together and like go pull up with
- 7:16Speaker 6: my friend, Yes, okay, but my friends Silana, A lot
- 7:19Speaker 6: of people might not know you're talking ton I know,
- 7:22Speaker 6: you know, but the average person might night.
- 7:28Speaker 5: I don't know.
- 7:29Speaker 6: I just like average people might not know that cause
- 7:31Speaker 6: casually talking about I am so sorry the track. So
- 7:36Speaker 6: Sissa hit me and was like, I'm about to be
- 7:38Speaker 6: on kay Sanat in like two hours, can you pull
- 7:40Speaker 6: up with me? And I was like, fucky, I'm gonna
- 7:42Speaker 6: pull up with you because I'm like, I was so
- 7:44Speaker 6: afraid because it's like he has like hundreds and hundreds
- 7:47Speaker 6: of thousands damn near million people watching and commenting in
- 7:51Speaker 6: real time. Oh god, that's terrifying. So I said, you
- 7:54Speaker 6: know what, I'm gonna pull up and I'm gonna ride
- 7:56Speaker 6: with my friend. And I was like, if anybody got
- 7:59Speaker 6: any thing that coat would say though saying about me,
- 8:01Speaker 6: goddamn it, you know. So I pulled up and I
- 8:04Speaker 6: had so much fun and I was reading a chat
- 8:07Speaker 6: and they were like yeah.
- 8:08Speaker 4: W Lizzo, yeah, W Sizza, yeah, littlely.
- 8:12Speaker 6: Motes and shit, and I was like, oh, they're so nice,
- 8:15Speaker 6: and that made me feel comfortable with diving into my
- 8:18Speaker 6: own channel. I made Lizo be twitching and Kai got
- 8:22Speaker 6: me like forty thousand subscribers in like two seconds. He
- 8:26Speaker 6: was like, everybody, go spam Lizzo be twitching right now,
- 8:29Speaker 6: and they all followed it, and I was like, Okay,
- 8:31Speaker 6: now I have to stream because they just gonna be
- 8:34Speaker 6: sitting in there, you know, building a cachet.
- 8:36Speaker 4: So that really helps?
- 8:38Speaker 6: Would you say, absolutely, I have to run my mouth.
- 8:42Speaker 6: I'm a life path three, I'm a communicator. So therapy
- 8:46Speaker 6: was the beginning of that. Like that saved my life,
- 8:49Speaker 6: being able to talk to somebody once a week and
- 8:52Speaker 6: just run my mouth and figure out my issues. And
- 8:55Speaker 6: I feel like when I communicate, when I write music,
- 8:59Speaker 6: when I sing songs, when I go on tour, when
- 9:01Speaker 6: I talk to people, it is very healing and it's
- 9:04Speaker 6: very connecting. I need to connect to feel good. I
- 9:08Speaker 6: can't be disconnected. I go actually insane, I learned.
- 9:13Speaker 3: You mean you can't be disconnected from people.
- 9:15Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't be disconnected from people. I go insane.
- 9:18Speaker 6: So at a point where you said you had to
- 9:20Speaker 6: step back and isolate, that was kind of hard for
- 9:23Speaker 6: you too, since you had to, I mean, I know
- 9:25Speaker 6: you had to do it, and it all, you know,
- 9:27Speaker 6: made sense, and it made since in the end, but
- 9:30Speaker 6: it still was challenging for you because you have to
- 9:33Speaker 6: be connected to people person It was a little insanity,
- 9:37Speaker 6: but I think in a little period of insanity can
- 9:40Speaker 6: be helpful because you have to do really hard work.
- 9:44Speaker 6: And I was at a point in my life where
- 9:48Speaker 6: the Internet hated me and I could not trust the
- 9:51Speaker 6: people around me, like friends, family, co workers, and I
- 9:56Speaker 6: was severely depressed, and so I didn't have anyone to
- 10:01Speaker 6: talk to. And I sat in that and I went crazy.
- 10:05Speaker 6: But I spent time with myself, which I think I
- 10:09Speaker 6: was always afraid to do. I know people who are
- 10:12Speaker 6: like I just need to be alone. I just need
- 10:14Speaker 6: to go to the park and be by myself and
- 10:16Speaker 6: read a book. I'm like, what's not without a buddy,
- 10:19Speaker 6: not without a sweet treat in a conversation. But when
- 10:23Speaker 6: I finally did it, I was so afraid of feeling lonely,
- 10:26Speaker 6: and I pushed past that, and it's like, you can
- 10:28Speaker 6: be alone and not lonely, and you can sit with
- 10:30Speaker 6: yourself and find out who you are now because you've
- 10:33Speaker 6: grown up and you didn't check in.
- 10:35Speaker 4: You know and.
- 10:38Speaker 6: Love her or like her, or just know her and
- 10:41Speaker 6: know what she wants and now I feel like I
- 10:43Speaker 6: know who I am. I know whose I am and
- 10:46Speaker 6: can't nobody shake that. Because once I reintroduced myself back
- 10:49Speaker 6: into connecting with people and friends and trusting the Internet,
- 10:53Speaker 6: and you know, I'm like, I know who I am.
- 10:56Speaker 4: I move with a different kind of confidence.
- 10:58Speaker 5: But why the Internet though, Because I say that, you
- 11:00Speaker 5: say the Internet hates you, But you can leave your
- 11:02Speaker 5: house and lizzle. Everybody wanna take a picture, you do
- 11:04Speaker 5: a show. Everybody gonna come to your show and be
- 11:06Speaker 5: cheering for you. So why the Internet? You know, is
- 11:08Speaker 5: people that love you wouldn't be little if people didn't.
- 11:10Speaker 4: I didn't know that. That's the wild part.
- 11:13Speaker 6: I have a lot of my uh in the beginning,
- 11:17Speaker 6: a lot of my career and my validation was based
- 11:20Speaker 6: off of social media.
- 11:22Speaker 4: Like I was one.
- 11:23Speaker 6: I was a part of that first generation of artists
- 11:25Speaker 6: who really like galvanize their following on social media because
- 11:29Speaker 6: that wasn't like an industry standard.
- 11:31Speaker 4: Even people don't.
- 11:32Speaker 6: Even realize it's because we've been microwaved by the Internet.
- 11:35Speaker 6: We don't realize how far we've moved in a very
- 11:37Speaker 6: short amount of time. Like pre twenty fifteen, this social
- 11:41Speaker 6: media was not even a conversation in labels. But there
- 11:44Speaker 6: were people like me and little nas X and people
- 11:47Speaker 6: like that. We were going online and we were just
- 11:50Speaker 6: like talking to our fans like direct and galvanizing them
- 11:54Speaker 6: and building a community.
- 11:55Speaker 4: And so all of.
- 11:56Speaker 6: My love because I'm not always on tour, I'm not
- 11:59Speaker 6: always really a people like I be in the house.
- 12:01Speaker 4: I'm kind of boring.
- 12:04Speaker 6: So all of the love and like we love you,
- 12:06Speaker 6: like you're amazing, like this is good, we fuck with
- 12:09Speaker 6: you was all from the internet for me, and that
- 12:11Speaker 6: was fine because I had built my community and I
- 12:14Speaker 6: felt very safe with that, and then that all kind
- 12:17Speaker 6: of changed, and I feel like the Lizzo that I
- 12:21Speaker 6: am has always been truly me, and it was wild
- 12:24Speaker 6: to see that, Like you reach a point of fame
- 12:27Speaker 6: where somebody can change that just by saying something about
- 12:32Speaker 6: you that's not true or whatever. Yes, but that's that's fame,
- 12:35Speaker 6: Like that is the definition of fame is for me
- 12:39Speaker 6: is people could say things about you that aren't true
- 12:42Speaker 6: and everyone will believe it, of course, for better or
- 12:45Speaker 6: for worse.
- 12:45Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
- 12:46Speaker 6: It's like Lizo got red toilet paper on her ride.
- 12:49Speaker 6: Everyone will believe that. Like that's that's weird, Like that's
- 12:51Speaker 6: just fame shit. So once that all changed, I started
- 12:58Speaker 6: to I believed that I was loved because the Internet
- 13:00Speaker 6: told me they loved me. And when the Internet hated me,
- 13:03Speaker 6: I believed that I was hated and I didn't believe
- 13:06Speaker 6: like so it was really weird. And when I isolated,
- 13:09Speaker 6: I was really afraid of people. And there was this
- 13:12Speaker 6: and there was I always say a concert, but it
- 13:14Speaker 6: was renaissance.
- 13:18Speaker 4: It was like a concert in a park in la
- 13:21Speaker 4: It was.
- 13:21Speaker 6: Renaissance, shout out beat, and I was like, I have
- 13:25Speaker 6: to go. And I was so afraid to go because
- 13:27Speaker 6: I just thought people were gonna, I don't know, throw
- 13:31Speaker 6: tomatoes at me or something. I could get really self
- 13:34Speaker 6: doubting in my head. But I pushed through and I
- 13:37Speaker 6: went and I promised you. Like I it was like
- 13:40Speaker 6: one person. Once one person recognized you, then like other people.
- 13:43Speaker 6: So one person recognized me and they were like litzen
- 13:46Speaker 6: and I was like, yes, I love you, come here
- 13:48Speaker 6: and they hugged me.
- 13:50Speaker 4: And then I got a video of it.
- 13:51Speaker 2: You were in the crowd.
- 13:52Speaker 6: I was in the crowd, babe. I'm not in no
- 13:54Speaker 6: sweet I was not in those sweet are renaissance. I
- 13:56Speaker 6: was where the people are.
- 14:00Speaker 4: Thing. Yes, she was definitely. You were definitely like that.
- 14:02Speaker 4: I saw you in.
- 14:03Speaker 6: The mall that day, and it was it was like
- 14:06Speaker 6: a chain effect. People weren't noticing, but she was kind
- 14:08Speaker 6: of timid with you. She was like, oh hi, And
- 14:12Speaker 6: my buddy caught my friend Coy. I was like, he
- 14:14Speaker 6: was like I just saw this. I was like, I
- 14:15Speaker 6: want to meet her, and then he was like, I'm
- 14:17Speaker 6: gonna take you over there, and I was like, oh
- 14:19Speaker 6: my god, I'm scared to meet you, and you look.
- 14:20Speaker 4: Just as scared. I'm like, I get lizo.
- 14:22Speaker 2: Then other people noticed.
- 14:23Speaker 6: Then other people walking past notice, then the little girl
- 14:26Speaker 6: noticed with her dad, and you got love. But you
- 14:28Speaker 6: did seem like you were in a place where you
- 14:30Speaker 6: didn't even know how to accept it.
- 14:32Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 14:32Speaker 6: At the mall, yep, I was really uncomfortable because I
- 14:35Speaker 6: was like, I don't know what people are like thinking
- 14:38Speaker 6: about me, and that shit fucks me up really bad,
- 14:42Speaker 6: because if somebody's thinking something about me that's not true,
- 14:45Speaker 6: and it's like I can't prove it, I can't, you
- 14:48Speaker 6: know what I mean, It's just weird.
- 14:50Speaker 4: I was like uncomfortable.
- 14:52Speaker 6: So at the concert at Renaissance, people were just showing
- 14:55Speaker 6: me love and hugging me and being like we got
- 14:58Speaker 6: your back, like you know, shake that shit off, we
- 15:01Speaker 6: love you. And I'm getting emotional now even thinking about
- 15:04Speaker 6: I just started crying.
- 15:06Speaker 4: I was crying and I was.
- 15:07Speaker 6: Hugging them, and I was like, you know what, this
- 15:09Speaker 6: is where real love is. You cannot get this shit
- 15:12Speaker 6: off the internet. You cannot get this kind of love
- 15:14Speaker 6: from the internet. It's the only the only kind of
- 15:16Speaker 6: love you can get it like, this is in real life.
- 15:18Speaker 6: And that I was like, I have to make an
- 15:20Speaker 6: album about this. And so my album Love and Real
- 15:23Speaker 6: Life Is started from that experience, and I started to
- 15:26Speaker 6: rediscover what real love feels like, and what real connection
- 15:31Speaker 6: and real community feels like.
- 15:33Speaker 4: And now I know I.
- 15:34Speaker 6: Can still get love on the Internet, but I also
- 15:38Speaker 6: can curate it, and I can weed out the real
- 15:40Speaker 6: from the fake. I can differentiate. Now I don't just
- 15:43Speaker 6: believe everything, you know, I really actually at this point
- 15:46Speaker 6: don't believe anything I see on the internet.
- 15:49Speaker 7: Seeing so much stuff about yourself. Even before that time, yeah,
- 15:52Speaker 7: you were like, what that's just not true.
- 15:54Speaker 6: And I'll see things about my friends that's not true,
- 15:57Speaker 6: and I'll be like what you mean, like with them
- 16:00Speaker 6: right now, like that's not happening.
- 16:03Speaker 5: But you got to remember, nobody cares about the truth
- 16:05Speaker 5: and the lives more entertaining.
- 16:06Speaker 3: As long as you know that, you wouldn't pay.
- 16:08Speaker 4: This sh Also, the mess is more entertaining. They don't.
- 16:11Speaker 4: They don't care about the.
- 16:13Speaker 2: For it right.
- 16:13Speaker 1: We reward people who do that, give them thousands of
- 16:16Speaker 1: dollars for these chats that are fake, and we don't
- 16:19Speaker 1: punish them.
- 16:20Speaker 2: There's no penalty.
- 16:21Speaker 5: I was gonna say to the red toilet paper will
- 16:23Speaker 5: be fire. You said that, and that shit been stuck
- 16:24Speaker 5: in my head.
- 16:24Speaker 2: I just think got black toilet paper. I never seen
- 16:26Speaker 2: no red toiler.
- 16:27Speaker 3: Red would be fire.
- 16:28Speaker 2: But you can't see nothing.
- 16:31Speaker 3: You can't see.
- 16:31Speaker 4: And I'm on my message right now. I don't want
- 16:33Speaker 4: to take I just made something I don't need that.
- 16:38Speaker 2: I was gonna ask what puts you into that light?
- 16:40Speaker 1: Like you know, usually you're a pop star, right, and
- 16:42Speaker 1: usually when you meet pop.
- 16:43Speaker 4: Stars period, they come on black girl popstar.
- 16:46Speaker 1: A lot of times that the assholes that stand office
- 16:49Speaker 1: you don't see them, but we see you so much.
- 16:51Speaker 1: And every time somebody asked me about Lizzo if she's
- 16:54Speaker 1: been to the breakfast club I met.
- 16:55Speaker 2: I was like, she's the nicest, she's cool, she's.
- 16:57Speaker 3: Down to earth.
- 16:57Speaker 2: What puts you in that mind frame to say, I
- 16:59Speaker 2: don't want to be like that. I want to be this. Wait,
- 17:03Speaker 2: because you were at them all by yourself.
- 17:05Speaker 1: You were at the Charlemagne went to the consot last
- 17:08Speaker 1: night asking what he was sweet, but you were out
- 17:10Speaker 1: on the floor like you do.
- 17:13Speaker 4: Hey booze. Wait, okay wait. The first half of that
- 17:17Speaker 4: question was pop stars are assholes?
- 17:19Speaker 1: You said A lot of times you see pop stars
- 17:21Speaker 1: are I don't want to say assholes, but out of
- 17:24Speaker 1: the way, like you can't touch them. They feel like
- 17:26Speaker 1: they don't want to be next to their people. If
- 17:28Speaker 1: you go back and look at a lot of pop stars,
- 17:30Speaker 1: you don't seem as personable as let's say you would be.
- 17:33Speaker 4: That's interesting. I have a lot of.
- 17:36Speaker 6: Sympathy for like, really really famous pop star people because
- 17:41Speaker 6: a lot of them became famous when they were teenagers.
- 17:45Speaker 6: A lot of them started this when they were like nine,
- 17:48Speaker 6: And I can't relate to not to I'm just getting
- 17:54Speaker 6: it together and I'm a grown ass woman.
- 17:55Speaker 4: When it happened to me you know what I mean.
- 17:57Speaker 6: So, like that developmental stage where you're getting all of
- 18:01Speaker 6: this like weird love and validation from like strangers, and
- 18:05Speaker 6: you can get anything you want, and you know, your
- 18:09Speaker 6: comfort level starts to get real sensitive too, like people
- 18:13Speaker 6: open doors for you.
- 18:14Speaker 4: People you know you have drivers pull up to you.
- 18:16Speaker 6: You don't got to drive. You sixteen year old, don't
- 18:18Speaker 6: got a license because you've had a driver since you
- 18:20Speaker 6: were thirteen. Like the way you're gonna move through the
- 18:24Speaker 6: world is a little different than someone like me, who
- 18:27Speaker 6: you know pretty much all the way up until I
- 18:30Speaker 6: was twenty nine years old, was working at restaurants, working
- 18:34Speaker 6: at Raisin canes, like working at the mall, like playing
- 18:38Speaker 6: shows to like fifty people. One of my first shows
- 18:40Speaker 6: I ever played with my mom, nobody was there but
- 18:42Speaker 6: the sound engineer, and I still went the fuck, not
- 18:45Speaker 6: the fuck, but I still went hard even though the
- 18:49Speaker 6: only person there was the bartender and the sound engineer
- 18:51Speaker 6: in my mom, like you know I have, I had
- 18:54Speaker 6: of a different experience with the success that I have,
- 18:58Speaker 6: Like I was in I was with the people. I
- 19:02Speaker 6: would play festivals and then I would jump down off
- 19:05Speaker 6: the stage and just go to the rest of the
- 19:06Speaker 6: festival with everybody else, you know, So like when fame
- 19:11Speaker 6: happened to when I became famous, when it happens to you,
- 19:14Speaker 6: you know, it's strange for me because I feel like
- 19:19Speaker 6: I became famous in twenty twenty, which is weird, Like
- 19:22Speaker 6: after I won the Grammy. I don't think I was
- 19:23Speaker 6: famous in twenty nineteen. I don't think I was famous
- 19:25Speaker 6: in twenty eighteen. Yeah, I feel like twenty twenty when
- 19:28Speaker 6: I want to Grammy and then guess what happened?
- 19:29Speaker 4: I run to Grammy January.
- 19:31Speaker 6: Guess what happened in March twenty twenty, Cause it's.
- 19:34Speaker 7: Dooe for you though, because I think that's when a
- 19:37Speaker 7: lot of us needed like that, like just something light
- 19:39Speaker 7: and yeah, we're doing that all right in the Internet,
- 19:41Speaker 7: and I think that's what it caught people so much.
- 19:43Speaker 6: But maybe that's what put the box there too though.
- 19:45Speaker 6: But at that time, we were all separated from each
- 19:48Speaker 6: other because there was a global pandemic, not because I
- 19:51Speaker 6: am famous and I need to be separated from everyone.
- 19:54Speaker 6: So by the time we was able to be back outside,
- 19:56Speaker 6: I still have my twenty eighteen twenty nineteen mentality. I
- 20:00Speaker 6: want to be where the people are. I want to
- 20:01Speaker 6: connect with everybody, like I don't want to be put
- 20:04Speaker 6: on no pedestal. So I think that's the difference. I
- 20:06Speaker 6: don't think it's a choice being like other pop stars
- 20:09Speaker 6: are allegedly assholes allegedly, and I don't want to be that.
- 20:13Speaker 6: It's just like, this is just who I am, and
- 20:14Speaker 6: I think everybody should just like be yourself, you know.
- 20:18Speaker 4: Like I'm not going to change who I am just
- 20:19Speaker 4: because I'm famous.
- 20:20Speaker 5: Now, that's because when did you first realize that confidence
- 20:23Speaker 5: and healing weren't the same thing.
- 20:28Speaker 4: Damn, listen, you'll be with every day?
- 20:31Speaker 1: Why everybody were talking about fueh he want to be
- 20:36Speaker 1: all serious?
- 20:37Speaker 6: Let me think that's a really deep confidence in healing. Well,
- 20:41Speaker 6: they're not, first off, just by definition, because I think
- 20:47Speaker 6: people can fake confidence.
- 20:50Speaker 4: You can't fake healing.
- 20:52Speaker 6: Can't be fake healed, like, oh, you know you gotta
- 20:57Speaker 6: cut and it's like, yeah, I'm faking it.
- 20:58Speaker 4: You know that's a band aid. You're not really healed yet.
- 21:01Speaker 4: You know.
- 21:02Speaker 6: With confidence, there are a lot of people who walk
- 21:05Speaker 6: around and they can pretend to be confident. And actually,
- 21:09Speaker 6: I think that's what confidence's intention is, is to be
- 21:12Speaker 6: used a little artificially, the fake it till you make it,
- 21:15Speaker 6: and then eventually you get there. Because my confidence, you know,
- 21:20Speaker 6: I had to force it and fake it for a
- 21:22Speaker 6: long time because I didn't grow up in a world
- 21:24Speaker 6: where they were like, you're beautiful and your body is beautiful,
- 21:29Speaker 6: and we like you, we like your personality. Yeah, you
- 21:33Speaker 6: watch anime and listen to rock music, we accept you.
- 21:36Speaker 4: No, Like I was very like.
- 21:39Speaker 6: Other and I think that I had to be like, no,
- 21:42Speaker 6: you are good enough, you are worthy of love. Your
- 21:44Speaker 6: body is beautiful, even when I didn't believe it. And
- 21:48Speaker 6: I think that that eventually, if you say something enough,
- 21:53Speaker 6: it can come true. You can manifest it, you can
- 21:56Speaker 6: create your reality. And I think I got there by
- 22:00Speaker 6: faking it. But healing, I think, is a little bit
- 22:03Speaker 6: uglier than confidence, and I think I'm still learning that.
- 22:08Speaker 6: I don't think there's like a singular moment, but I think, man,
- 22:13Speaker 6: it's funny because you look back and you're like, all
- 22:15Speaker 6: these years of like telling myself, I love myself and
- 22:19Speaker 6: I'm beautiful, and can't nobody tell me about me? Da
- 22:22Speaker 6: da dada da, And then people can and you realize, oh,
- 22:26Speaker 6: all this shit wasn't even real.
- 22:27Speaker 4: I was just telling myself this.
- 22:28Speaker 6: I was faking the funk because if I really believed
- 22:31Speaker 6: that y'all wouldn't be able to take this from me,
- 22:33Speaker 6: y'all wouldn't be able to shake me. And then being
- 22:36Speaker 6: like walking through the world now and being like, man,
- 22:39Speaker 6: this person just says something crazy to me.
- 22:43Speaker 4: People be talking to me crazy. I'm so nice, and I'll.
- 22:45Speaker 6: Be like, okay, cause I'm like, you know, I don't
- 22:47Speaker 6: need your validation, but okay, but now people talk crazy
- 22:51Speaker 6: to me, and I'll be like, hmm, but you know what,
- 22:55Speaker 6: it's not even real. You're in pain, You're hurting for
- 22:59Speaker 6: you to say something to me like this. What did
- 23:01Speaker 6: I bring out in you? Did I make you feel
- 23:04Speaker 6: a little insecure for a second?
- 23:05Speaker 4: Boo boo ah? I'm sorry, and I hope that I
- 23:09Speaker 4: hope it gets better for you.
- 23:10Speaker 1: But you give a lot of people grace though, Like
- 23:12Speaker 1: I've seen people have made it, cracked a joke or
- 23:15Speaker 1: said something, and then I'll see you do an interview
- 23:17Speaker 1: a couple of years later and you give them the grace.
- 23:19Speaker 1: Why do you feel like it's the right thing to
- 23:21Speaker 1: give grace instead of just give the middle finger a
- 23:23Speaker 1: single fuck yourself?
- 23:24Speaker 6: Because people are as kind to others as they are
- 23:27Speaker 6: to themselves. And if somebody is throwing hatred or or
- 23:32Speaker 6: saying something mean, just mean spirited about somebody just for
- 23:36Speaker 6: the sake of doing it. I can't imagine how you
- 23:38Speaker 6: talk to yourself. I can't imagine how you think about
- 23:41Speaker 6: yourself and treat yourself when no one's watching. And for
- 23:44Speaker 6: that I've already won, So I don't need to win
- 23:48Speaker 6: in real life and sit up and talk bad about nobody.
- 23:52Speaker 6: I don't have anything bad to say about nobody. And
- 23:54Speaker 6: I've been dogged, I've been dog walked bad, and I
- 23:59Speaker 6: don't have any to say. I have nothing bad to
- 24:01Speaker 6: say because because I love the person I've become through
- 24:06Speaker 6: it all, and I think that's the real prize, that's
- 24:08Speaker 6: the real reward.
- 24:10Speaker 4: What did you well? First?
- 24:11Speaker 7: On that note, does it get on your nerves though
- 24:14Speaker 7: that sometimes every single thing you do people still relate
- 24:16Speaker 7: it to like wanting to talk about you in certain ways,
- 24:18Speaker 7: like you were at the met Gala the outfit went off.
- 24:21Speaker 7: Every headline, though, is about your weight loss and not
- 24:23Speaker 7: about how good you looked. And I think that that's
- 24:24Speaker 7: unfair And it happens a lot with you, does that
- 24:26Speaker 7: get annoying to you where it's like I can't move
- 24:29Speaker 7: around that, like people always want to talk about me.
- 24:31Speaker 4: Well, I signed up for it.
- 24:34Speaker 6: I knew when you know, back in twenty fourteen and
- 24:39Speaker 6: big girls weren't wearing leotars on stage, and I said,
- 24:43Speaker 6: I'm about to put me on one of these Beyonce dance leotars,
- 24:46Speaker 6: and I'm about to have big girls behind me wearing
- 24:49Speaker 6: them too, because I knew that my body would be
- 24:53Speaker 6: the focus of that conversation. And it was something that
- 24:57Speaker 6: because it was unavoidable, I either I could hide and
- 24:59Speaker 6: run from it, and people are gonna.
- 25:01Speaker 4: Do it anyway. You know. It's like the big girl
- 25:04Speaker 4: wearing your arms out theory.
- 25:05Speaker 6: It's like we know your arms big, whether you you know,
- 25:09Speaker 6: cover it up or not, we know your arms big,
- 25:11Speaker 6: So either enjoy the outfit and wear your arms out
- 25:15Speaker 6: or cover your arms up, but we know what it is.
- 25:19Speaker 6: So for me, it was just like I'm just gonna
- 25:20Speaker 6: run head first into it. What I didn't know is
- 25:24Speaker 6: that it would never go away. No matter how much
- 25:28Speaker 6: my body changes, It's never gonna go away. But I
- 25:32Speaker 6: think that I have to just like accept that and
- 25:34Speaker 6: I'm actually cool with it. It doesn't annoy me because
- 25:37Speaker 6: I look good, you know, and even when I was bigger,
- 25:40Speaker 6: I looked good.
- 25:41Speaker 4: So it's like, say what you want.
- 25:43Speaker 6: But there was always someone in the comments being like, yeah,
- 25:46Speaker 6: but she's still beautiful and she looks soft and face
- 25:49Speaker 6: Card never declines.
- 25:52Speaker 7: What about the time because I was reporting when all
- 25:54Speaker 7: the lawsuit stuff happened, and you didn't say anything for
- 25:57Speaker 7: a long time, like not at all, which those people
- 26:00Speaker 7: come out and say stuff. I was wondering the day
- 26:02Speaker 7: that it was dropped, how did you feel? What was
- 26:06Speaker 7: your thought process around that? Because you were in isolation
- 26:08Speaker 7: at that point, right.
- 26:08Speaker 4: I was in Japan, Yeah, on a dream trip.
- 26:12Speaker 7: A brough of fresh air or did you feel like
- 26:13Speaker 7: but the conversation is still there and it is hard.
- 26:17Speaker 4: Oh, it's very hard because I was confused. I was
- 26:22Speaker 4: confused and I was a little like hurt. But I
- 26:26Speaker 4: was in Japan with it was my first time ever
- 26:29Speaker 4: being in Japan. I was with my best friend and
- 26:33Speaker 4: her kids and we.
- 26:35Speaker 6: Were at Hello Kitty World, and I'm like crying in
- 26:38Speaker 6: the car, but I'm like, Okay, wipe your tears and
- 26:42Speaker 6: go in there and have fun with the babies because
- 26:44Speaker 6: we had Hello Kitty World, and you only do this
- 26:46Speaker 6: once with these kids who've never been to Japan and.
- 26:48Speaker 4: That's their dream.
- 26:50Speaker 6: So I did a lot of balance in between that.
- 26:53Speaker 6: But I'll tell you one thing about Tokyo. They don't
- 26:55Speaker 6: give it fuck.
- 26:56Speaker 4: What's going on in your personal life and Tokyo they're
- 26:59Speaker 4: like a picture.
- 27:01Speaker 6: I'm like, okay, Like I had a great time, like
- 27:03Speaker 6: nobody's nosy in Japan, and I think being there was
- 27:07Speaker 6: God for sure, because though I was dealing with a
- 27:12Speaker 6: lot of inner turmoil and hurt, honestly in shock and confusion,
- 27:19Speaker 6: I was in this place that didn't reflect that or
- 27:22Speaker 6: throw that back at me. I had my first panic
- 27:24Speaker 6: attack when I came back to la for the first
- 27:28Speaker 6: time after everything the lawsuit had dropped and I was
- 27:31Speaker 6: in Japan for like a month and I landed in America.
- 27:34Speaker 6: I had a panic attack in the car because as
- 27:36Speaker 6: I was walking through the airport, I was like, everybody
- 27:39Speaker 6: hates me, everybody's you know. I got in my head
- 27:41Speaker 6: and I got in a car and I like I
- 27:44Speaker 6: had this.
- 27:45Speaker 4: Like yeah, I had this like pressure on my chest.
- 27:47Speaker 6: Mind you, I've had anxiety attacks that feels different than
- 27:50Speaker 6: a panic attack.
- 27:51Speaker 4: I had pressure on my chest. I said, something's really wrong.
- 27:54Speaker 6: I couldn't use my limbs or my body, and I
- 27:56Speaker 6: was like I literally crawled to my bed and just
- 27:59Speaker 6: like broke down. I was like, what's happening to me?
- 28:01Speaker 6: And I talked to my doctor and was like, hey,
- 28:03Speaker 6: you got a panic attack?
- 28:05Speaker 4: Yeah?
- 28:06Speaker 6: And I think America, everybody want to know everybody's business here,
- 28:11Speaker 6: so I it's this weird almost like invisible. I'm not
- 28:17Speaker 6: a victim, so I don't want to say attack, but
- 28:19Speaker 6: it was like, you know, this pressure or this like
- 28:22Speaker 6: I don't know, it's like implied energy in America where
- 28:25Speaker 6: I'm like, oh I need to hide versus Japan, I
- 28:29Speaker 6: could be a Hello Kiddy world and everyone's like.
- 28:32Speaker 4: Right you were when somebody lies.
- 28:40Speaker 5: Yeah, that when you started thinking people hated you. Because
- 28:45Speaker 5: I wondered, do you remember what the industry felt like?
- 28:48Speaker 5: What what social media even felt like? Before that lossuit, it.
- 28:51Speaker 4: Felt very like.
- 28:54Speaker 6: Silly and lighthearted, and I had like a lot of
- 28:56Speaker 6: freedom to just scroll and I see nothing about me.
- 29:01Speaker 6: And then I was on and I would scroll and
- 29:03Speaker 6: every like three scrolls it was, and I was like, oh,
- 29:07Speaker 6: we'd be like Liza, if I just see two z's,
- 29:10Speaker 6: my heart start raising. My scroll been pizza, but I
- 29:13Speaker 6: was like wow, and I just kept scrolling, So it
- 29:16Speaker 6: felt it felt.
- 29:17Speaker 4: A little bit more hostile.
- 29:18Speaker 6: But I'll say in general, I think the internet has
- 29:21Speaker 6: gotten more hostile for everybody, every like out of nowhere,
- 29:25Speaker 6: Like it used to be so fun and lighthearted, and
- 29:28Speaker 6: now everybody is beefing and quarreling and dropping tea and
- 29:32Speaker 6: I'm just like, WHOA, when did this happen? But that's
- 29:35Speaker 6: when it happened for me, Like I was like, oh,
- 29:38Speaker 6: I have to get off. And so from I would
- 29:41Speaker 6: say October twenty twenty three to maybe even like April
- 29:48Speaker 6: twenty twenty four, I wasn't on my phone at all.
- 29:51Speaker 4: I threw my phone.
- 29:51Speaker 6: Away, Like I had my team post things for me
- 29:55Speaker 6: because I had to post about yiddie and I had
- 29:57Speaker 6: to post about, you know, little things I wanted to
- 29:59Speaker 6: share with people. I didn't want to completely disappear because
- 30:02Speaker 6: that's not who I am. But my team posted it
- 30:04Speaker 6: for me and I did not scroll. I did not
- 30:06Speaker 6: look at the internet because I was too sensitive. And
- 30:11Speaker 6: I think I don't think I could have handled it.
- 30:13Speaker 6: And I'll also say this in reference to the lawsuit,
- 30:19Speaker 6: I would say, in light of all of the other
- 30:22Speaker 6: like high profile lawsuits that have been coming out comparatively
- 30:26Speaker 6: the allegations against me, I think, now we see we're
- 30:29Speaker 6: just like kind of ridiculous. You know, I cracked my
- 30:32Speaker 6: knuckles in the script club to me and mind.
- 30:35Speaker 4: You, it was going to the strip club.
- 30:37Speaker 6: It doesn't say that I did anything like I didn't
- 30:39Speaker 6: do anything to anyone in that strip just went to
- 30:41Speaker 6: the strip club. And then like being fat phobic for
- 30:44Speaker 6: firing someone for gaining weight, that just wasn't true.
- 30:48Speaker 3: It wasn't true, but just larious, right, But that's why
- 30:56Speaker 3: nobody believed.
- 30:57Speaker 6: It's like right, But but I also have to say,
- 30:59Speaker 6: like one of my fears is I don't want my
- 31:03Speaker 6: situation and my lawsuit to be an indicator on any
- 31:08Speaker 6: other that's going on. I don't want it to invalidate
- 31:11Speaker 6: any other actual because I will always stand for real
- 31:14Speaker 6: victims of sexual harassment and sexual violence and anything, and
- 31:18Speaker 6: I will always stand for them and ride for them.
- 31:21Speaker 6: So I don't want what happened to me to kind
- 31:23Speaker 6: of invalidate anything else going on in the world. And
- 31:25Speaker 6: that was really important to me, which is why I
- 31:27Speaker 6: was quiet for a long time, because I still want
- 31:29Speaker 6: to protect victims side.
- 31:30Speaker 2: Does that not change you?
- 31:31Speaker 4: Right?
- 31:32Speaker 2: How does that not change.
- 31:33Speaker 1: Liz as a person? I did though, because now do
- 31:35Speaker 1: you still go out with people? Do you still feel
- 31:37Speaker 1: as free?
- 31:37Speaker 3: Do you?
- 31:38Speaker 2: Are you still the listeners?
- 31:39Speaker 3: Oh?
- 31:39Speaker 4: Baby? No? Baby? Yeah?
- 31:44Speaker 2: Because it changes you as a person. And is that
- 31:46Speaker 2: a good thing of bad?
- 31:47Speaker 4: I think it's an amazing thing. I am. You know what,
- 31:52Speaker 4: God really loves me.
- 31:54Speaker 6: I have to say that, and I feel like everything
- 31:57Speaker 6: that happens to me is God, and God is preparing
- 31:59Speaker 6: me for something that I don't even know about. But
- 32:03Speaker 6: I feel like I readied myself now as I feel
- 32:06Speaker 6: like a boss, like I feel like a better boss,
- 32:09Speaker 6: I feel like a better friend. I feel like I
- 32:11Speaker 6: know how to run a big operation, you know, because
- 32:17Speaker 6: mind you back to the pandemic thing. I blew up
- 32:19Speaker 6: in twenty twenty. In twenty nineteen, I had maybe four
- 32:22Speaker 6: crew members. I had one roadie, I had a tour
- 32:26Speaker 6: manager and two dancers. And then the world shut down
- 32:29Speaker 6: in twenty twenty and I blew up and I did
- 32:31Speaker 6: my first arena tour after being in isolation for two years.
- 32:34Speaker 6: And I'm suddenly standing in a room with seventy eighty
- 32:37Speaker 6: people that I'm like, I don't I want to know
- 32:40Speaker 6: everybody's names.
- 32:41Speaker 4: That works for me.
- 32:42Speaker 6: And it was really weird, and I got a crash
- 32:44Speaker 6: course and being an arena level artist, a big artist,
- 32:49Speaker 6: like after literally being an indie artist for ten years
- 32:52Speaker 6: and being in isolation for two years. So by the
- 32:55Speaker 6: time I was running arena level operation, I didn't have
- 33:00Speaker 6: no practice in that, I didn't have no experiences, and
- 33:02Speaker 6: I learned the hard way how to be a boss.
- 33:06Speaker 6: But I'm gonna be a better boss for it. And
- 33:08Speaker 6: I'm really proud of myself. Yeah, if you're on my payroll,
- 33:12Speaker 6: we're not going to the bar.
- 33:15Speaker 4: We're not gonna have drinks together. You know what I'm
- 33:17Speaker 4: saying breakfast. But I got friends for that. I got
- 33:21Speaker 4: friends for that.
- 33:22Speaker 6: Okay, I got two friends, my best friend Alexo Derilo
- 33:29Speaker 6: from Ace Town. Shout out Houston, Texas and shout out Chante.
- 33:33Speaker 5: I knew what So what do you how do you
- 33:35Speaker 5: decide like what's for the stage or what's for the public,
- 33:38Speaker 5: and what's secret.
- 33:38Speaker 6: Now hm hmm, there's a lot that's sacred. You know,
- 33:44Speaker 6: my my my parameter for what's for the world. If
- 33:47Speaker 6: you really love something, keep that shit a secret. If
- 33:52Speaker 6: you really love something, keep it a secret. If so,
- 33:56Speaker 6: there are things that I protect now that you know. Before,
- 34:00Speaker 6: I didn't think it of it as protection. I thought
- 34:02Speaker 6: of it as like, oh my gosh, like I'm keeping
- 34:05Speaker 6: something from my fans, I'm keeping something from the public,
- 34:08Speaker 6: Like I want you guys to see this, like you
- 34:10Speaker 6: should see this. Like I literally like the.
- 34:14Speaker 4: Term hard launched. That was me, you know, because I
- 34:18Speaker 4: was like, gosh, like love, like I want y'all to
- 34:20Speaker 4: see this. This is so beautiful.
- 34:22Speaker 6: And then the world got two seconds of my relationship
- 34:28Speaker 6: and I was like, oh yeah, y'all know how to act.
- 34:30Speaker 7: I literally just I was looking to see I'm like,
- 34:32Speaker 7: she ain't posted him in a minute.
- 34:34Speaker 4: Y'all know how to act. You lost your privileges?
- 34:39Speaker 6: Yeah, so all, yeah, all that cute ship, all that
- 34:41Speaker 6: black love back in the vaults.
- 34:46Speaker 7: I mean, maybe I only saw the positive stuff because
- 34:49Speaker 7: I thought I saw a lot of people that I
- 34:50Speaker 7: was happy for you.
- 34:53Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 34:54Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was that bad.
- 34:55Speaker 7: Because I was literally on my Instagram looking I'm like,
- 34:58Speaker 7: you know what minute people people.
- 35:00Speaker 4: Were really positive.
- 35:02Speaker 6: This isn't about like people, I do think that, you know,
- 35:06Speaker 6: I don't want to give nobody an opportunity to destroy
- 35:11Speaker 6: something good. And I found that it wasn't really necessarily
- 35:15Speaker 6: about my relationship that people did that. It was other things,
- 35:19Speaker 6: my other relationships where that happened, And I was like,
- 35:22Speaker 6: I don't even want to give you the opportunity, no shade, like,
- 35:26Speaker 6: no disrespect. I love everybody, thank you for being so cool,
- 35:29Speaker 6: but due to new management. But in my personal life,
- 35:34Speaker 6: I have to I have to protect this because I
- 35:36Speaker 6: saw so much get destroyed by lies and I didn't
- 35:39Speaker 6: want that to happen to my relationships.
- 35:41Speaker 4: So it's very protected. Yeah, nobody acted up.
- 35:45Speaker 6: I don't want this clip to go out and people
- 35:46Speaker 6: being like, well, we didn't even say nothing wrong, Like,
- 35:48Speaker 6: because I know how the internet can be, they'll take
- 35:50Speaker 6: seven seconds and think that I'm saying something else.
- 35:54Speaker 4: But it was more so out of it was preemptive,
- 35:57Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
- 35:58Speaker 3: But I've then you said it right something youself.
- 36:01Speaker 4: Yeah, it's that's simple. Yeah. Do you have any tear
- 36:04Speaker 4: jerkers on love in real life? We do.
- 36:09Speaker 6: There's one song in particular that niggas had to leave
- 36:13Speaker 6: a room.
- 36:14Speaker 4: It ran out. I said, I'm sorry. I had like, oh,
- 36:20Speaker 4: I'm gonna get sad even though it's not. I mean,
- 36:23Speaker 4: sometimes I feel that I wrote it. I lost my dog.
- 36:29Speaker 4: I lost my dog and she was twenty years old.
- 36:32Speaker 6: Can you see she left the malties Yeah, And I
- 36:38Speaker 6: lost her like in the thick of it December twenty
- 36:41Speaker 6: twenty three, when I was like at my most depressed
- 36:44Speaker 6: and then she left and I was like, mind you
- 36:48Speaker 6: twenty years Like she like a grandma to me, you know,
- 36:52Speaker 6: And that really broke me down.
- 36:53Speaker 4: And I wrote a song about it. But it wasn't
- 36:55Speaker 4: just about Hookah. She said. I sampled her voice on
- 36:58Speaker 4: the song, but it was a lost in general.
- 37:01Speaker 2: You know.
- 37:01Speaker 6: I lost my father very young, and so it was
- 37:05Speaker 6: a song about grief and death. And I was like,
- 37:07Speaker 6: don't put this on your album. Like I'm the happy girl,
- 37:10Speaker 6: I'm the positive spin and you know, I was like,
- 37:14Speaker 6: you know what, I owe it to myself, not just
- 37:16Speaker 6: to my fans or to myself to put a song
- 37:19Speaker 6: like this on my album.
- 37:21Speaker 4: And so there is a moment in there.
- 37:25Speaker 6: It's called Phone to Heaven, and so that's a little
- 37:28Speaker 6: tear jerker, and there are some really raw emotional songs
- 37:32Speaker 6: on there, like I got a song called like a Crime,
- 37:35Speaker 6: and I think that you can decide what that song
- 37:38Speaker 6: is about when you listen to it. I'm really excited
- 37:41Speaker 6: for this album because I feel like as an artist,
- 37:43Speaker 6: everybody got into my singles, but they never got into
- 37:47Speaker 6: my albums. And my albums are so good, yeah, and
- 37:50Speaker 6: they're so well thought out, and I really want the
- 37:52Speaker 6: album to shine this time and not just oh my God,
- 37:55Speaker 6: a number one hit about Damn Time, because it's like,
- 37:58Speaker 6: my album don't sound like special, doesn't sound like about
- 38:02Speaker 6: damn Time, and because I Love You didn't sound like
- 38:05Speaker 6: truth hurts, you know what I mean. There were so
- 38:07Speaker 6: many other songs that show off like and these songs did.
- 38:11Speaker 6: They show off my musical ability, but like I had,
- 38:14Speaker 6: I have such an amazing.
- 38:15Speaker 4: Catalog I'm so proud of.
- 38:18Speaker 6: So this time I want people to get into the album,
- 38:21Speaker 6: which is why I've been I've gone a little rogue,
- 38:23Speaker 6: you know, opposite of what the label once for me,
- 38:27Speaker 6: where I'm I'm service in music. I just dropped the
- 38:30Speaker 6: demo to U Steal Bad today. Actually, wow, look at
- 38:34Speaker 6: that timing. I dropped the demo to Steal Bad because
- 38:39Speaker 6: I like the demo more than the finished song. And
- 38:43Speaker 6: there's a there's an A and R process with music
- 38:46Speaker 6: that people might not be privy to, but you write
- 38:49Speaker 6: a song in a studio, the A and R comes
- 38:50Speaker 6: through and they go, okay, fix this, write this, rewrite this,
- 38:56Speaker 6: bridge the production needs to be more like this, and
- 38:58Speaker 6: you're like okay, and you sit in with the producer
- 39:00Speaker 6: and you work on it. And I've done that process,
- 39:04Speaker 6: Like About Damn Time took like seven months and there
- 39:06Speaker 6: were like a thousand versions. So it's still bad. We
- 39:10Speaker 6: did the same thing and by the time we were done,
- 39:13Speaker 6: was still bad. And this is this is this is
- 39:15Speaker 6: really how I feel, and I'm sorry to Atlantic Records.
- 39:19Speaker 6: But by the time I was done with Still Bad,
- 39:22Speaker 6: I was like, this is just another about Damn Time.
- 39:26Speaker 6: And I looked at Ricky Reid and I was like,
- 39:28Speaker 6: be real with me. I was like, does this sound
- 39:30Speaker 6: like About Damn Time? And he was like no, no,
- 39:33Speaker 6: and I'm like yeah, from a sonic level, it's different
- 39:36Speaker 6: instruments that take the lead. It's a different bpm, it's
- 39:38Speaker 6: a different key, it has it's more indie sleeves. And
- 39:42Speaker 6: I was like, I'm a trust y'all on this. I
- 39:44Speaker 6: started doing press and interviews for it, and everybody said, yeah,
- 39:47Speaker 6: it's like disco funk, It's like a disco funk, and
- 39:50Speaker 6: I'm like, no, it's not a disco funk song. Like
- 39:54Speaker 6: About Damn Time was disco funk. This is inde sleeves.
- 39:56Speaker 4: But people don't fucking know that.
- 39:58Speaker 6: They don't know the difference. Music is about feeling. Not
- 40:01Speaker 6: everybody a music major had studied the theory behind no.
- 40:05Speaker 6: They just want to feel it. And it felt like
- 40:08Speaker 6: About Damn Time. And I should have followed my gut.
- 40:11Speaker 6: But because for me, this album is rock and roll,
- 40:14Speaker 6: and the demo version of Steel Bad that I put out.
- 40:17Speaker 4: Is very rock and roll. No shade to the other
- 40:21Speaker 4: still bad.
- 40:22Speaker 6: I'm gonna let people decide which one they like more,
- 40:24Speaker 6: because they both my babies.
- 40:25Speaker 4: One is just cuter.
- 40:27Speaker 5: People who listen to your music they know why you successful, right,
- 40:30Speaker 5: But then you have some people who feel like you
- 40:32Speaker 5: were only successful because at the time.
- 40:35Speaker 3: People were checking off boxes.
- 40:36Speaker 5: You're the black woman, you big, you know, diversity, all
- 40:39Speaker 5: of that type of stuff.
- 40:40Speaker 3: What do you say to those people?
- 40:42Speaker 6: I would say that I created that lane. I don't
- 40:44Speaker 6: think people were looking for diversity. I was undeniable, and
- 40:48Speaker 6: that that created the trend of checking boxes. I don't
- 40:52Speaker 6: disagree that at a certain point we started checking boxes.
- 40:57Speaker 6: When it comes to checking a box of black, fat woman,
- 41:02Speaker 6: I'm a ride for that every time.
- 41:04Speaker 4: I don't care.
- 41:04Speaker 6: I'm rooting for everyone black, and I'm rooting for everyone fat,
- 41:08Speaker 6: black and woman.
- 41:09Speaker 4: I don't care. You don't have to if you're.
- 41:10Speaker 6: Not the most talented person in the world and you
- 41:12Speaker 6: got pushed through yay, because it happens to other people.
- 41:16Speaker 4: All the time who don't look like that, and we
- 41:17Speaker 4: deserve it. Mm hmm. I am big. We talk about baby,
- 41:25Speaker 4: I'm big. I'm not the.
- 41:27Speaker 6: Biggest, so now, okay, I'm in a room full of
- 41:41Speaker 6: people I trust.
- 41:42Speaker 4: Right the internet is like Liz O skinny now I am.
- 41:46Speaker 4: I am well over two hundred pounds, you know what
- 41:49Speaker 4: I'm saying. I'm five ft nine.
- 41:52Speaker 3: In a different direction.
- 41:54Speaker 4: I got double numbered pants on right now. But you're
- 41:57Speaker 4: trying to be.
- 42:00Speaker 7: No, okay, yeah, because I think you look amazing. I
- 42:02Speaker 7: think are you saying that you're bigger than what an
- 42:04Speaker 7: industry standard is because you're not. You are bigger than
- 42:08Speaker 7: what some people will determine the industry thing. But that
- 42:10Speaker 7: standard is like going, it's twenty twenty five people. I
- 42:13Speaker 7: don't even think that's next to any pop star right now,
- 42:15Speaker 7: Like I'm still bigger than them.
- 42:17Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean?
- 42:18Speaker 3: You actually look normal compared to them. I'm just saying, oh,
- 42:22Speaker 3: I hear you. Yeah, you look normal compared to it.
- 42:24Speaker 3: But they look like.
- 42:26Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's what I mean, Like twenty twenty five
- 42:28Speaker 7: people want to see people that look like them and
- 42:30Speaker 7: that Yeah. But is it because a lot of my
- 42:32Speaker 7: friends that I that I talk to that are on
- 42:34Speaker 7: weight loss journeys, they have like a body dysmorphia thing
- 42:36Speaker 7: where they're never in a.
- 42:37Speaker 4: Good place with themselves.
- 42:39Speaker 7: Did you experience that or do you deal with that sometimes?
- 42:41Speaker 4: Yes?
- 42:41Speaker 6: I actually didn't realize how much my body changed until
- 42:46Speaker 6: I was filming the Love and Real Life music video.
- 42:49Speaker 4: I was in shock.
- 42:52Speaker 6: It shocked me because the way that I'm releasing Weight
- 42:56Speaker 6: has been a long, slow process, Like people maybe not
- 42:59Speaker 6: have seen me or been keeping up with me, but
- 43:01Speaker 6: I've been posting about it and I'm in a calorie deficit.
- 43:04Speaker 4: So that's the one that sneaks up on you.
- 43:06Speaker 6: If you're in a deficit, for so long it eventually
- 43:09Speaker 6: you're just you're just shedding like half a pound a week,
- 43:12Speaker 6: you know, And then you look up and if it's.
- 43:14Speaker 4: Been fifty two weeks, that adds up.
- 43:17Speaker 6: So when I was filming Love in real life and
- 43:20Speaker 6: they put the outfit on me and I seen the
- 43:22Speaker 6: number size on the pants, I said, wait a minute,
- 43:25Speaker 6: hold on, Like, there's not a two in front of it.
- 43:29Speaker 4: That's supposed to be a two right there. Why is
- 43:31Speaker 4: that a one?
- 43:33Speaker 6: I was like, Okay, something has happened. You've crossed the threshold.
- 43:38Speaker 6: Your body has done the thing. So now it's about
- 43:41Speaker 6: controlling that and making sure that it doesn't get out
- 43:44Speaker 6: of control. Because my mind will keep going even though
- 43:48Speaker 6: my body is like, hey, we're good.
- 43:50Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
- 43:50Speaker 6: Because when I look in the mirror, I still see
- 43:55Speaker 6: me in twenty twenty three, I still see me at
- 43:58Speaker 6: a heavier weight. Thank God, I love myself because that's fine.
- 44:02Speaker 6: I think that people who really experienced the body dysmorphia
- 44:05Speaker 6: the most, they didn't like themselves at that size, and
- 44:08Speaker 6: when they look in the mirror and they see that person,
- 44:11Speaker 6: it's they get upset and it's not enough, and that's hard.
- 44:14Speaker 1: But those people with the opposite that they missed that
- 44:17Speaker 1: weight because they were that weight for so long. Yeah,
- 44:19Speaker 1: and it feels like that's not them anymore, like they
- 44:22Speaker 1: miss that.
- 44:22Speaker 4: Person and that I experienced that too. I'll say this.
- 44:28Speaker 6: Only my big girls who have released some weight are
- 44:30Speaker 6: gonna understand this.
- 44:34Speaker 4: How do I say this?
- 44:36Speaker 6: I felt, I say this is what I was lot
- 44:42Speaker 6: of crazy.
- 44:42Speaker 4: Oh, here we go.
- 44:44Speaker 6: When I was bigger, I felt skinny. I felt skinnier
- 44:47Speaker 6: than I do now.
- 44:48Speaker 4: When I was bigger. I'm not gonna hold you.
- 44:50Speaker 6: When I was in my string bikini and I was
- 44:52Speaker 6: at my heaviest weight, I was like, skinny, bitch. And
- 44:55Speaker 6: that's when I realized, like, thin is a feeling. It's
- 44:58Speaker 6: not a look, and so is fat. Fat is a
- 45:03Speaker 6: feeling Like you've ever been around somebody thin and she's like.
- 45:06Speaker 4: Ah, so fat, I feel so fat today Because it's
- 45:09Speaker 4: a feeling. It's not real, you know what I mean.
- 45:12Speaker 6: Like society tries to tell you that it's real, and
- 45:15Speaker 6: the scale tries to tell you, but it's really how
- 45:17Speaker 6: you feel on the inside. So I felt skinnier then
- 45:21Speaker 6: than I do now.
- 45:22Speaker 4: Maybe I'm told.
- 45:24Speaker 3: Because I get what you're saying, But if pounds, that's
- 45:28Speaker 3: more than just right.
- 45:30Speaker 6: No, and let's be real, yes, like there is like
- 45:33Speaker 6: a science behind it, like you know, there is an
- 45:35Speaker 6: aesthetic to it.
- 45:37Speaker 4: But I also think that.
- 45:38Speaker 6: It We've seen where Jessica Simpson had on mom jeans
- 45:42Speaker 6: in two thousand and five and they were calling her
- 45:44Speaker 6: fat and she wasn't. So it gets misinterpreted in misconstrued
- 45:49Speaker 6: all the time. There are objective truths. You know, there
- 45:53Speaker 6: are people who are bigger, and I think that's and yeah,
- 45:56Speaker 6: we fat. I like calling myself fat.
- 45:58Speaker 5: I think it's a race component too, though, because if
- 46:00Speaker 5: Justice Simpson was black back then you'd be like, she thick.
- 46:03Speaker 6: You know, you're absolutely right. But that's a whole other conversation.
- 46:07Speaker 6: That's a ted talk we can get into. We can
- 46:11Speaker 6: get into that. I do want to racialization of beauty
- 46:13Speaker 6: standards and.
- 46:14Speaker 4: How it was racist.
- 46:15Speaker 3: Let's talk about it.
- 46:16Speaker 4: Wait, what was your question gonna be?
- 46:17Speaker 3: Though?
- 46:17Speaker 5: Well, I was going to ask you, you know, what
- 46:19Speaker 5: parts of your identity did the industry try to monetize
- 46:22Speaker 5: or there I say, even exploit before you even understood
- 46:26Speaker 5: it yourself.
- 46:27Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't know, because you know, I was being
- 46:29Speaker 6: myself and the industry is exploitative. That's that's its job.
- 46:37Speaker 6: Its job is to because I think it's an industry.
- 46:41Speaker 4: There's car industries.
- 46:42Speaker 6: They're you know, getting a product out there, and they'll
- 46:46Speaker 6: exploit the workers to do that, you know what I mean.
- 46:48Speaker 6: So for me, I don't look at it as a
- 46:51Speaker 6: negative thing. I know that word is so crazy, but
- 46:53Speaker 6: it's like I was being sold. I was being packaged,
- 46:57Speaker 6: marketed and sold for being my self and that was
- 47:01Speaker 6: a weird that was a strange thing. I can't imagine
- 47:04Speaker 6: people who have to fake their brand because that would
- 47:09Speaker 6: drive me insane. I would be like, yo, dude, I
- 47:12Speaker 6: don't want to do this shit. No mo, I don't
- 47:14Speaker 6: want to be happy. I don't want to play the flute.
- 47:15Speaker 4: I don't want to be fat, you know what I mean.
- 47:19Speaker 4: But you said, when did I realize it? Damn? I
- 47:25Speaker 4: think maybe even now.
- 47:27Speaker 6: I think when I'm starting to release weight, that's when
- 47:29Speaker 6: I realized it, because I remember I was. I was
- 47:33Speaker 6: talking to my trainer at the time and I was like, yeah,
- 47:37Speaker 6: I want to just like intentionally, like let go some weight,
- 47:41Speaker 6: like a little bit smaller.
- 47:42Speaker 4: Da da da da da.
- 47:43Speaker 6: And he was like, oh, I'm about to fuck up
- 47:45Speaker 6: your brand? And I was like wait what. I was
- 47:48Speaker 6: like what does that mean? And I had to think
- 47:50Speaker 6: about that for a while, like and then and that
- 47:53Speaker 6: was when I was heavier and you know, X amount
- 47:57Speaker 6: of pounds down. Later I saw the backlash. People were upset,
- 48:02Speaker 6: and I was like, wait, what's happening? And that was
- 48:06Speaker 6: what he was talking about, and two things are happening.
- 48:12Speaker 6: The industry packaged and sold me and my fatness and
- 48:16Speaker 6: my joy and all of that and marketed it to people.
- 48:20Speaker 6: People saw themselves in that, but they also were just
- 48:24Speaker 6: like I don't know.
- 48:26Speaker 4: How do I say this?
- 48:27Speaker 6: And being very respectful to my fans, because when it changed,
- 48:32Speaker 6: it was like you aren't that person, You're you're a liar.
- 48:37Speaker 4: You know, you lie?
- 48:38Speaker 6: That wasn't real. I was sold, wasn't real. It's like
- 48:42Speaker 6: I got the I got the package, I got the product,
- 48:44Speaker 6: and then it was like always always works, and then
- 48:48Speaker 6: it stopped working.
- 48:49Speaker 3: If you were so proud of it, why would you right?
- 48:53Speaker 4: And how do I say this?
- 48:56Speaker 6: But there are all kinds of issues, like you know,
- 48:58Speaker 6: like health issues, yeah, like that can I'm along with
- 49:00Speaker 6: obesity and things like being fat, and it's like why
- 49:03Speaker 6: can't I want to, you know, why can't I do
- 49:07Speaker 6: this for y'all bring more awareness to that part of it,
- 49:10Speaker 6: and then we'd go on this journey together.
- 49:11Speaker 4: Y'all, my fans, y'all. You know, I'll say the only
- 49:14Speaker 4: way I was able to.
- 49:17Speaker 6: Do what I've done and changed my body was because
- 49:20Speaker 6: I loved myself. I've never done anything healthy or positive
- 49:25Speaker 6: to myself out of hatred. I've been smaller than this before,
- 49:31Speaker 6: and I was starving myself. I wasn't eating, and I
- 49:35Speaker 6: was the most unhappy in my entire life, and I
- 49:38Speaker 6: hated myself the most at my smallest, So you know
- 49:42Speaker 6: what I mean. Like, I've also been heavier, and I've
- 49:46Speaker 6: hated some of that too, and I've also loved some
- 49:49Speaker 6: of that. It's just like it's just not one thing.
- 49:51Speaker 6: There's like so much nuance, and it's like, I'm a
- 49:54Speaker 6: human being, you know what I mean, And I'm living
- 49:57Speaker 6: in this body. You don't have to live in my
- 49:58Speaker 6: body for the rest of your life. I have to
- 50:00Speaker 6: live in yours. And people, I'll tell you one thing
- 50:03Speaker 6: about me, I'm always on the right side of history.
- 50:06Speaker 6: People gonna look back and understand because what I'm doing now, Gosh,
- 50:12Speaker 6: people gonna think I'm full of myself. But what I'm
- 50:14Speaker 6: doing now is fucking revolutionary, and it's pushing body positive
- 50:18Speaker 6: positivity forward, not because I've gotten smaller, but the way
- 50:22Speaker 6: that I'm talking about my body changing. Because what people
- 50:25Speaker 6: don't realize is in twenty nineteen, when I was talking
- 50:28Speaker 6: about body positivity over twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, I
- 50:32Speaker 6: had gain fifty pounds and I was talking about that
- 50:35Speaker 6: experience and talking about body positivity and how I loved
- 50:38Speaker 6: myself through it all. And now when I'm on the
- 50:41Speaker 6: other end of that, I'm not changing my tune. And
- 50:44Speaker 6: I think that would be fraudulent if I all of
- 50:47Speaker 6: a sudden changed my tune and.
- 50:48Speaker 4: Said, ah fuck that. Yeah, I hated it, Haha. I
- 50:50Speaker 4: hate it being being gotcha.
- 50:52Speaker 6: You got bamboodle, bitch, run me like no, Like, I'm
- 50:55Speaker 6: going to be me through this entire process. And when
- 50:58Speaker 6: people look back on this, they'll be like, yeah, yeah,
- 51:01Speaker 6: she was right.
- 51:02Speaker 5: That's why I started the interview off talking about your
- 51:04Speaker 5: mental health, and that's why I asked you the question
- 51:05Speaker 5: about confidence and healing, because you know, people can talk
- 51:09Speaker 5: all about the physical. The revolutionary thing about it to
- 51:11Speaker 5: me is what you have done spiritually and mentally.
- 51:14Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, And it's a lot of work. And it's
- 51:17Speaker 4: a lot of work.
- 51:18Speaker 6: And that's why I can say I am the best
- 51:21Speaker 6: version of myself right now.
- 51:23Speaker 4: You know, there's people.
- 51:25Speaker 6: Like I said, like I said, I when I was
- 51:29Speaker 6: younger and I had like very disordered eating and I
- 51:33Speaker 6: was like really depressed and I was like really hard
- 51:35Speaker 6: on my body. I was very small. There's people who
- 51:37Speaker 6: look back at old pictures of that time in their
- 51:39Speaker 6: life when they were small and like, oh god, I
- 51:42Speaker 6: want to look like that again.
- 51:43Speaker 4: Oh that was it, honey.
- 51:45Speaker 6: If I could just go back to when I was nineteen,
- 51:48Speaker 6: I don't want to go back to her. That might
- 51:50Speaker 6: have been the worst version of myself sleeping in my
- 51:52Speaker 6: car and you know, going through it and running into
- 51:57Speaker 6: violent and dangerous situations. No, and not eating that that's
- 52:02Speaker 6: what Liz will be eating because you aren't.
- 52:08Speaker 4: Baby.
- 52:09Speaker 6: No, there's nothing cute about hurting yourself. There's nothing cute
- 52:12Speaker 6: about harming yourself. There's nothing cute about starving yourself. Like
- 52:16Speaker 6: and and now it's like, I am the best version
- 52:19Speaker 6: of myself, not because of how I look, even though
- 52:22Speaker 6: I may be heavier than I was and small, you know,
- 52:26Speaker 6: or heavy? What am I trying to say. I'm heavier
- 52:28Speaker 6: than I was when I was at my smallest, and
- 52:29Speaker 6: I'm smaller than I was and when I was at
- 52:30Speaker 6: my heaviest. But because I'm here, this is, this is,
- 52:35Speaker 6: this is what makes me the best version of myself.
- 52:37Speaker 6: And no matter how my body changes, I get pregnant,
- 52:40Speaker 6: I have a baby, my body gonna get bigger, my
- 52:42Speaker 6: body could get smaller.
- 52:43Speaker 4: Who knows. This is what's together? This is you know
- 52:47Speaker 4: what I mean? And this is the most important part.
- 52:49Speaker 6: And that's the part that I hope to my younger
- 52:50Speaker 6: fans and so people who follow me that they don't
- 52:53Speaker 6: just see my body changing and me being happy. I
- 52:56Speaker 6: hope they feel that it was mental work and it
- 52:59Speaker 6: was emotional work, and no matter how my body changes,
- 53:02Speaker 6: this is gonna be the most important thing to me.
- 53:05Speaker 5: Do you have real joy? No, because it feels like
- 53:07Speaker 5: you were being joyful as a form of protests or
- 53:12Speaker 5: maybe a survival tactic.
- 53:13Speaker 4: Maybe. Yeah.
- 53:18Speaker 6: I think that black joy in any form is resistance
- 53:24Speaker 6: in this society, and I think it's radical in this society.
- 53:27Speaker 6: I think seeing it from someone who looks like me
- 53:30Speaker 6: is even more radical. And because of that, y'all don't
- 53:35Speaker 6: see me ninety eight percent of the time like y'all
- 53:39Speaker 6: see me two percent of the time. And why would
- 53:41Speaker 6: I be miserable when I'm doing what I love? When
- 53:43Speaker 6: y'all see me, I'm doing what I love. I'm either
- 53:46Speaker 6: on stage, I'm shooting a music video, I'm doing an interview.
- 53:50Speaker 6: I'm actually genuinely happy to be here, like I like
- 53:53Speaker 6: talking to y'all, you know. But then there's like a
- 53:56Speaker 6: whole other ninety eight percent where I may be in
- 54:00Speaker 6: a bad mood, or I may be you know, over it,
- 54:04Speaker 6: or you know, my stomach hurt, you know what I'm saying,
- 54:06Speaker 6: Like damn, Like I'm a human being, but that part
- 54:10Speaker 6: isn't shown to the world. But I do believe that
- 54:15Speaker 6: my joy is still a form of resistance, especially especially
- 54:19Speaker 6: right now, you know what I mean?
- 54:21Speaker 4: Where I mean always, we're in a system that doesn't
- 54:23Speaker 4: want to see us joyful, you know what I mean?
- 54:26Speaker 6: They police our joys so much, and I think that
- 54:28Speaker 6: my mission. I think everybody has different missions, you know,
- 54:31Speaker 6: to help us, But right now, my mission is how
- 54:35Speaker 6: do I help people find a community that brings them joy?
- 54:39Speaker 4: Because that's powerful.
- 54:41Speaker 7: I want to go back to the conversation that we
- 54:43Speaker 7: almost got into about the black beauty standard and the
- 54:45Speaker 7: difference with you being in the space that you're in.
- 54:47Speaker 7: I remember it was a long time ago, Jillian Michaels.
- 54:50Speaker 7: She came out and said something that the weight loss lady,
- 54:53Speaker 7: and people defended you so gravely because they felt like
- 54:56Speaker 7: she wouldn't have said certain things if you weren't a
- 54:58Speaker 7: black woman this way. I mean it was she talked about.
- 55:03Speaker 7: She basically said, why are we defending her weight? It's
- 55:05Speaker 7: not healthy? Is it going to be funny when she
- 55:07Speaker 7: gets diabetes? And she just went down the list and
- 55:09Speaker 7: people were like, well, hey, you're bringing out all the
- 55:11Speaker 7: things that happened to the black community more predominantly, so
- 55:15Speaker 7: they thought it was a race thing. And that conversation
- 55:18Speaker 7: happens a lot around you. When people try to attack you.
- 55:20Speaker 7: People feel like, if you weren't a black woman that
- 55:23Speaker 7: was doing I mean, yeah, if you weren't a black
- 55:24Speaker 7: woman doing these things, you would have a little bit
- 55:26Speaker 7: more grace or be propped up a bit more.
- 55:28Speaker 4: Do you feel like that.
- 55:29Speaker 6: You know whose voice I listened to the less when
- 55:32Speaker 6: they have comments about me is celebrities. I really, I
- 55:35Speaker 6: never I don't care about other celebrities opinions on me,
- 55:39Speaker 6: you know what I mean. It's interesting because it's like
- 55:41Speaker 6: I care more about what my fans say about me
- 55:44Speaker 6: and think about me that matters. I never hear these
- 55:48Speaker 6: little trivial comments, and I only hear the apologies, you know.
- 55:55Speaker 6: But I will say, somebody's health is none of your business,
- 56:02Speaker 6: and I've always been on that, And it's like, we
- 56:04Speaker 6: only pretend to care about people's fat people's health so
- 56:08Speaker 6: we could be fat phobic to them. It's, you know,
- 56:11Speaker 6: being fat is the only acceptable form of bullying in
- 56:17Speaker 6: our society, if you think about it. We're taught from
- 56:19Speaker 6: kids from a young age to make fun of fat people.
- 56:22Speaker 4: You watch TV and the fat dude, he's like, oh,
- 56:26Speaker 4: and then he falls over.
- 56:27Speaker 6: Trying to tie his shoe, and the kids are like,
- 56:29Speaker 6: you know, and you laugh in front of your parents.
- 56:31Speaker 3: Your parents laughing too.
- 56:35Speaker 6: But if it was anything else, your parents would be like,
- 56:37Speaker 6: don't laugh at that, you know what I mean. So
- 56:39Speaker 6: we are socialized to make fun of fat people, and
- 56:43Speaker 6: I think that some people pretend to care about fat
- 56:45Speaker 6: people's health to just make fun of them, you know,
- 56:49Speaker 6: in a weird backwards backwards ass way. I will have
- 56:53Speaker 6: so many things to say about this, but a lot
- 56:58Speaker 6: of people and I'm not gonna say this is not
- 57:00Speaker 6: a blanket statement, because I am actually terrible, and I
- 57:02Speaker 6: make a lot of blanket statements in the internet.
- 57:04Speaker 4: Gets to my ass for.
- 57:05Speaker 6: It, I'm gonna say, systemically, in America, the majority of
- 57:11Speaker 6: fatness is due to things that are kind of out
- 57:17Speaker 6: of your control. Our food system is abysmal. Our food
- 57:23Speaker 6: system has so many invisible additives that have so much
- 57:29Speaker 6: sugar and caloric density and toxins, and it is it is.
- 57:37Speaker 6: How do I say this without getting political? I don't
- 57:39Speaker 6: want to sound like RFK, but like it's poisoning us
- 57:43Speaker 6: and in our communities too, in black communities at a
- 57:46Speaker 6: disproportionate level. There are food deserts, and the only the
- 57:50Speaker 6: only uh.
- 57:51Speaker 4: What's it called? Uh? What's what's it called?
- 57:54Speaker 6: In the middle of a desert when it's like green,
- 57:56Speaker 6: the only thank y'all, come on, smart man. The only
- 58:00Speaker 6: oasis in the food desert is fast food, is snack, food,
- 58:04Speaker 6: is hot cheetos, It's bread forty d D D D.
- 58:06Speaker 6: So when I was a kid, I grew up in Houston, Texas.
- 58:09Speaker 6: A shout out to SWAT. I was in band rehearsal,
- 58:13Speaker 6: and when I got thirsty, I drank sprite. I would
- 58:16Speaker 6: chug this sprite and be like, oh, I'm so thirsty.
- 58:18Speaker 6: Oh my hot cheetos. Every day at lunch and then
- 58:23Speaker 6: our lunch, you're not gonna get a salad or a protein.
- 58:27Speaker 6: At school, at public school lunch, it was chick and tenders.
- 58:31Speaker 2: It was.
- 58:33Speaker 4: Cheese, stuffed bread, whatever that was. I don't know what
- 58:36Speaker 4: the fuck that was. It was good, it was good.
- 58:39Speaker 4: And so like, this is what we've been given.
- 58:42Speaker 6: You know, a lot of people's fatness is genetic, you
- 58:45Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. So it's like and then there
- 58:47Speaker 6: are people who, like, you know, we contend to overeat
- 58:51Speaker 6: and stuff like that.
- 58:51Speaker 4: I'm not talking about that.
- 58:52Speaker 6: I'm not making a blanking statement about it, but I'm
- 58:54Speaker 6: like a lot of it is out of our control.
- 58:56Speaker 5: Back here in social media too, because people aren't the
- 58:58Speaker 5: activist they used to be so back in the day.
- 58:59Speaker 3: We play social media.
- 59:05Speaker 6: So it's like to sit up and just like criticize
- 59:09Speaker 6: somebody for being like, hey, this is how I look
- 59:12Speaker 6: right now, and you know what despite all odds, I'm
- 59:15Speaker 6: okay with that.
- 59:17Speaker 4: That don't mean that I'm like, you know, being fat
- 59:21Speaker 4: is it? Everyone should be fat? No, it's just like, damn,
- 59:23Speaker 4: can a bitch like herself right now? Depressed? Right? And
- 59:28Speaker 4: if my body changes cool? If I get bigger, that's
- 59:31Speaker 4: none of your fucking business. If I get smaller, that's
- 59:34Speaker 4: none of your fucking business.
- 59:35Speaker 6: But can I like myself right now so I can
- 59:36Speaker 6: get through the day like you think, if I sit
- 59:39Speaker 6: and go I hate myself. Let me just change and
- 59:42Speaker 6: be skinny? Now, No, that's not how it works. So
- 59:45Speaker 6: it's like, y'all want us to be miserable, but for
- 59:47Speaker 6: what Because once I get small, you still not happy.
- 59:51Speaker 6: So it's like, shut the fuck up, disrespectfully.
- 59:55Speaker 3: I like that.
- 59:58Speaker 7: Just for fairness of a conversation. She did, But the
- 1:00:00Speaker 7: U turn because the people jumped on her. She said,
- 1:00:03Speaker 7: I should have separated her from the conversation.
- 1:00:05Speaker 4: It's a that in there. But your point, by the way,
- 1:00:08Speaker 4: exactly I was gonna say. You called it because it's never.
- 1:00:10Speaker 6: Been pre diabetic and this is not me flexing my
- 1:00:13Speaker 6: health over nobody. But this is just me saving the facts.
- 1:00:15Speaker 6: Don't ever put diabetes on me, I've never been pre diabetic.
- 1:00:18Speaker 6: My father had type two diabetes, and it's like and
- 1:00:21Speaker 6: when he passed away, I had from a young age.
- 1:00:25Speaker 4: She passed away when I.
- 1:00:25Speaker 6: Was nineteen twenty actually, oh my gosh, it was so
- 1:00:28Speaker 6: long ago, but actually I'm twenty two. But when that
- 1:00:33Speaker 6: happened to him, because he had hypertension and high blood
- 1:00:37Speaker 6: pressure and type two from his eating habits. I have
- 1:00:41Speaker 6: always been a healthy person. Even though I was physically larger,
- 1:00:47Speaker 6: I was very conscious about what I put in my body.
- 1:00:49Speaker 4: I was very active. I would post.
- 1:00:51Speaker 6: Videos of me in the gym, running on a treadmill,
- 1:00:53Speaker 6: lifting heavyweights. People would buy tickets to my show where
- 1:00:56Speaker 6: I'm on stage for two hours, running back and forth
- 1:00:59Speaker 6: playing the flute, doing choreography, rapping and singing an emoting
- 1:01:03Speaker 6: and not being out of breath. Like I've always been
- 1:01:05Speaker 6: a very active person. I'm always be a very healthy person. Yeah,
- 1:01:09Speaker 6: never been pre diabetic. Honey, mind your business. That's between
- 1:01:12Speaker 6: me and my doctor. And I'll get her on the
- 1:01:13Speaker 6: phone too.
- 1:01:14Speaker 4: She loved to talk.
- 1:01:15Speaker 3: She takes a sugar drink.
- 1:01:19Speaker 6: No, no, I'm glad you said that. This is a
- 1:01:24Speaker 6: this is a black coffee. And then I put in
- 1:01:27Speaker 6: half a vanilla protein shake, so actually there's no sugar
- 1:01:32Speaker 6: in this. It's it's because it's half of it. It's
- 1:01:36Speaker 6: about ten grands of protein and the coffee is black.
- 1:01:39Speaker 6: There's no sugar in this at all.
- 1:01:40Speaker 2: Shut up business.
- 1:01:41Speaker 5: Like I said, I got one last question because Lauren's
- 1:01:43Speaker 5: stomach is overhead.
- 1:01:45Speaker 7: And crazy last night and like I'm literally just coming
- 1:01:52Speaker 7: down from all the last night I went to drink.
- 1:01:56Speaker 4: It was so good, So over.
- 1:01:57Speaker 5: Here holding my stomach, boys crowding. But my last question,
- 1:02:03Speaker 5: is there a version of lizzle we haven't seen yet?
- 1:02:05Speaker 3: And are you afraid to shure?
- 1:02:08Speaker 6: I'm not afraid, but I am protective. I think protection
- 1:02:16Speaker 6: can be fear based. Sometimes a lot of people, like
- 1:02:18Speaker 6: a protective mother is like, oh I'm afraid something might
- 1:02:20Speaker 6: happen to my child. Let me be overly protective. So
- 1:02:23Speaker 6: sometimes there's a like if y'all saw how I really
- 1:02:28Speaker 6: you know am? Sometimes like when I'm working, I feel
- 1:02:32Speaker 6: like people wouldn't understand, and it's like because I'm a
- 1:02:37Speaker 6: very hard worker, I actually am.
- 1:02:39Speaker 4: Like ask anybody in this industry.
- 1:02:41Speaker 6: They're like, she wanted the hardest working, And I think
- 1:02:44Speaker 6: the because I'm fat like the trope of oh she
- 1:02:48Speaker 6: lazy or whatever comes in and I get that put
- 1:02:51Speaker 6: on me, and so people don't put me in the
- 1:02:53Speaker 6: category of the hardworking divas that we all know and
- 1:02:57Speaker 6: love today. But I work very hard, and I don't
- 1:03:01Speaker 6: show that side because you get to just enjoy the show,
- 1:03:06Speaker 6: you get to just enjoy the product. But though I
- 1:03:09Speaker 6: work hard, I'm very kind to the people who I
- 1:03:14Speaker 6: work with. I'm very measured, I'm very fair. But it
- 1:03:19Speaker 6: gets real, it gets real, And that's why I like
- 1:03:21Speaker 6: that whole doughchy situation.
- 1:03:22Speaker 4: I have to.
- 1:03:23Speaker 6: I have to, like nobody knows what it feels like
- 1:03:25Speaker 6: to be in a situation like that where it's so
- 1:03:29Speaker 6: intense and the it's your first met and you are
- 1:03:32Speaker 6: trying to do your best, and it's like to judge
- 1:03:35Speaker 6: black women for working hard. I don't like this new
- 1:03:38Speaker 6: this this new I don't know what it is, this
- 1:03:41Speaker 6: new misconception or misperception of black women who are working
- 1:03:45Speaker 6: hard for what they want where it's getting demonized, you
- 1:03:49Speaker 6: know what I mean? And what I also have been
- 1:03:52Speaker 6: seeing is us as a community stand up for the
- 1:03:55Speaker 6: black women who are in this field, Like there's not
- 1:03:57Speaker 6: a lot of us really at the top of this game,
- 1:04:00Speaker 6: and it's like, we really have to work seven thousand
- 1:04:03Speaker 6: times harder than our counterparts to get shit done.
- 1:04:07Speaker 4: And we're working actively against the system of people, you know,
- 1:04:11Speaker 4: and then.
- 1:04:13Speaker 6: The the things that get projected on us, you know,
- 1:04:18Speaker 6: the personalities that get projected on us like that.
- 1:04:22Speaker 4: We have to overcome that too and subvert that.
- 1:04:25Speaker 6: So it's like, yeah, you don't see the hard working
- 1:04:30Speaker 6: side of me, But I gets busy. My hairstyle is
- 1:04:33Speaker 6: back there like bitch me and my agent like when
- 1:04:35Speaker 6: do you stop? He like, I work with my other clients.
- 1:04:38Speaker 6: I at least have a time to go get a cocktail.
- 1:04:40Speaker 4: You.
- 1:04:41Speaker 6: I've been working NonStop since I got here. I've been
- 1:04:44Speaker 6: doing radio interviews. I did the met, I shot a
- 1:04:47Speaker 6: music video after the met that night and still managed
- 1:04:50Speaker 6: to change my outfit and go to the after parties
- 1:04:52Speaker 6: and turn up. Then I had radio the next morning.
- 1:04:55Speaker 6: Then I turned up again. I did had radio yesterday.
- 1:04:58Speaker 6: I have a cover shot, a cover sh yesterday. I
- 1:05:00Speaker 6: gotta cover shoot today. I'm out here working.
- 1:05:02Speaker 3: And came in here with the best energy.
- 1:05:04Speaker 6: You don't really tired. You didn't sound tired. We didn't
- 1:05:06Speaker 6: know I didn't know you were tired til you said it.
- 1:05:09Speaker 6: You know, I got a show. I got two shows,
- 1:05:12Speaker 6: all in New York. And it's just like, because I
- 1:05:14Speaker 6: love this shit, I loved I love to work, But
- 1:05:17Speaker 6: I'm not gonna pull back the curtain and show. There's
- 1:05:20Speaker 6: other artists who do that, Like Beyonce pulls back the
- 1:05:22Speaker 6: curtain for us, and we see her work ethic and
- 1:05:24Speaker 6: I respect that and I love that, and I'm like,
- 1:05:27Speaker 6: exactly when I see how she works when she put
- 1:05:29Speaker 6: that black hoodie on, I'm like exactly, because that's how
- 1:05:31Speaker 6: the fuck I get down too, down to the lighting,
- 1:05:34Speaker 6: down to the timing, down to the sounds and the
- 1:05:36Speaker 6: sonics of the music. We put that fucking work in
- 1:05:40Speaker 6: and the and we don't show y'all because you're gonna say, oh,
- 1:05:42Speaker 6: she's a bitch, like black women, especially, oh she's a bitch.
- 1:05:45Speaker 6: So it's like, we don't even want to show y'all
- 1:05:47Speaker 6: because y'all are gonna judge us.
- 1:05:48Speaker 4: But we need.
- 1:05:49Speaker 6: But I love when Beyonce does it because it puts
- 1:05:52Speaker 6: respect on it.
- 1:05:52Speaker 4: That's how we get down.
- 1:05:54Speaker 6: So that that part, I'm not gonna pull back the
- 1:05:56Speaker 6: curtain because I already got enough falligations against me.
- 1:06:01Speaker 1: Let's keep Let's go to a record, man, let's go
- 1:06:04Speaker 1: to a record. Let's get into it right now. New singles,
- 1:06:06Speaker 1: Still bad.
- 1:06:07Speaker 4: Still bad? Which one are you playing? You're playing the
- 1:06:09Speaker 4: disco version?
- 1:06:11Speaker 6: Now?
- 1:06:11Speaker 2: Which one you want to?
- 1:06:13Speaker 4: I love key, wish I could play Bitch? Can you do?
- 1:06:15Speaker 2: Y'all have bitch? Can we get bitch? We got bitch?
- 1:06:19Speaker 4: All right?
- 1:06:21Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you for the conversation. To keep doing
- 1:06:24Speaker 3: the work.
- 1:06:24Speaker 4: Man.
- 1:06:24Speaker 3: I love to see you blow up mind, body and spirit.
- 1:06:27Speaker 4: Thank you.
- 1:06:28Speaker 3: Listen to you.
- 1:06:30Speaker 2: It's the breakfast Club.
- 1:06:31Speaker 3: Good morning.
- 1:06:32Speaker 2: Wake that ass up in the morning.
- 1:06:34Speaker 3: The Breakfast Club.