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Hamster Film Club - Deep Blue Sea · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Tell me, Mr. Franklin, have you ever?
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Known anyone with Alzheimer's? No.
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What if you could end all that suffering with a single?
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Pill. Give me till Monday.
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Morning 48 hours. I'll give you a result.
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That'll skyrocket your stock price.
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In the most Advanced Research facility in the world.
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Wow. Beneath it's glassy surface, a
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world of gliding. Monsters.
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A team of. Specialists is working against.
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The clock. Did someone order the fish?
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Or an experiment to benefit. Mankind.
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Sharks never show any loss of brain.
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Activity as they age with this close to the reactivation of
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human brain cell. But before they can save
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millions of lives. Tell me I didn't.
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See that they recognize that girl that's.
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Impossible. Sharks do not swim back if they
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can't. They'll have to find a way to
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save their. Own.
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Just what the hell did? You do to those sharks.
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Did you feel something? Jim and I used gene therapist to
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increase their brain mass. What is that as a side?
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Effect The Sharks got smarter. Somebody.
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Please tell me. What that is?
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Go. Go.
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Welcome to the Hamster Film Club.
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My name is Joe Ford, and if I sound very confused, it's
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because we're doing this on the hoof after our very first live
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watch through of a film for the Hamster Patreon page.
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I'm here with four fabulous people and we just sat and
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watched the film. Thanks to one of us, and that is
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Miss Lucy McCall. Hello.
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Lucy, hello. What film do we watch tonight?
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We watch deep blue sea. Explain yourself.
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I like films with sharks where people get eaten and explosions
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and stuff. It's I find it relaxing because
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I don't have to think about it. I've also got here with me
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lovely Luke Sims Jenkins. Hello, Luke.
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Hello Exploding. Sharks.
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Do you like exploding sharks? Yeah, I do.
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It's it's very satisfying despite they're not being they.
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You shouldn't have been able to explode that much, but you know,
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you want to see the blood. It was like the Exxon spill at
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the end. And I have also got here the
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gorgeous Doctor Simon Exton. Hello, Simon.
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Hello. Do you like exploding sharks?
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Do you like shark movies? I like sharks, I like
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explosions. What's not to love?
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I was expecting a bit more Terence Rattigan to be honest,
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but. I was hoping more people would
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get eaten, but most of the cast was eaten so I can't be can't
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complain too much. And last but not least, finally
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face to face with the magnificent Mr. Jeff Richardson.
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Hello, Jeff. Hello, Joe Ford.
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Hello. It's happy to be here.
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I'm happy to be here. God damn.
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It ask you a question, all right, because when you heard we
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were watching Deep Blue Sea tonight, your immediate reaction
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on the group chat was oh, Jesus Christ or something of that ilk.
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I'm terrible with action movies. Like I'll watch him but my
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physics brain checks in and he's useless during an action movie.
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You. Know.
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The whole time I'm like, that hatch wouldn't close, they would
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have died of hypothermia by now. That shark would have got them
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seconds ago. But it was so much fun,
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especially to hang out with people and watch like these
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gorgeous visuals have the sound down and the caption so I can
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see all the terrible dialogue. It was fantastic.
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Somehow it looks worse written on the screen, doesn't it, than
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when you hear it? Oh boy boy, it gave me a chance
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to say some of the lies while we're watching it as well.
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It's worth noting as well Paul Jeff got his timings wrong so
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joined us half an hour into the movie.
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Don't trust Google AI for your time zone conversions.
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We'll see what I'm going to get. I'm going to do a quick round
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Robin of what everybody thought of this masterpiece that we've
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watched tonight. And let's start with Simon.
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It was incredibly entertaining rubbish.
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But yeah, you leave science brain, you leave medicine brain
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at the at the door, but you go into a movie like this knowing
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that you're going to do that. Some of the dialogue was
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hilariously terrible. There were bits that were just
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really, you're doing that, you're doing that on top of
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that, on top of that. And then he's got a Zippo that's
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still going to light. But I, I really loved it.
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It was a complete turn your brain off and mellow
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individuals. Luke, what did you think?
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This is great. It, it, it is everything, Simon
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said. But it keeps you on your toes as
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well. Because the only thing I
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remembered about this was the biggest star in the movie gets
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eaten about halfway through. I thought it happened sooner,
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but it's, it's more like halfway.
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But it'll play with things like that.
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So it might be very not clever and cheesy and silly, but it'll
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keep on your toes. Like killing him off or killing
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the doctor lady you think is going to survive and make out
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with Thomas Jane at the end. No, she gets eaten as well.
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So I appreciate that it might be a little silly and cliched in
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some areas, but it takes a few chances.
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I like that. Oh, she got Ian the whole He
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just took her in his mouth in one go, took one bite and she
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was gone. No, she got bitten in half,
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didn't she? Oh, was she?
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I thought he just took her down the throat and she was gone.
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I don't think the. Leg was leftover and he went
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back for it. The seconds.
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There was quite a bit of leg twitching after people had died
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in this, wasn't there? Oh man, that CGI of his foot.
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Yeah, it looked like a. Psychographic foot, yeah.
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Jeff, come on. What did you think?
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Well, Joe, this one took me by surprise.
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I'd only ever heard like of the silly bits and the
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cinematography is incredible. I've restarted it just so I'd
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have some visuals, but this ocean on the opening shot, like
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just, I mean, the sharks look incredible.
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The lighting, especially when the people get their skin out,
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like the lighting is just glistening.
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Everybody's wet. It's just a joy to look at.
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When people get. Their skin out can.
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You please elaborate on that. Well, at one point, Dr., what's
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her name, takes her wet suit off and it it looks like a painting,
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like it's just a really, really nice.
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She she was wearing. The most?
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From the lighting, brassiere and panties.
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Imagine if she had had her like Friday or like her Tuesday,
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whatever your laundry day panties are.
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The Bridget Jones pants. Yeah.
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And of course that, you know, you chose this for us, Lucy.
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So I'm assuming you like this but summarise it.
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OK, well, I really like it. I these days I what I look for
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in a film is not necessarily silliness, hopefully a bit of
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explosion and mindless violence, and I like it to be done well.
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But I'm not looking for depth or a moving cultural experience.
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I prefer to just turn off my brain and get that sort of
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experience somewhere else rather than at the cinema.
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So I saw all this at the cinema when it first released.
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I remember seeing it at the cinema.
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I have the DVD somewhere to rent it off the telly this evening,
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but I really like it. It is daft, but it it has
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tension, it has action, it has explosions, it has people being
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eaten by sharks. Thomas James looks completely
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ridiculously hot all the way through it.
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A bonus, frankly, from my point of view, he wore.
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This sort of wet suit that was cut off at the arms, so he just
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showed off his arms throughout the whole movie.
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And yeah, it's extremely silly, but it's, I, I just really like
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it because I think it's silly, but it's done really well.
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So the effects are good. The, the visual is good, like
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you said, the ocean, the views of the sea.
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And it does mess about with the tropes of shark films.
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So at the beginning there's this boat full of young partygoers
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and the teddy bear falls into the sea and the radio falls in
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and then the sharks attacking. Oh, no, they're going to.
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And actually, no, they're not, because somebody's going to come
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and fetch the shark. So it does mess about with your
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expectations a little bit. It was also as well, one of the
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things I loved best about this was I kept going, oh, they're
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not. They wouldn't do that.
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And without fail, they did it. They turned the oven on.
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I mean, we'll get there. We'll talk about that.
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The man ended up, you know, surfing on the shark at the
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which he's done. At the beginning, so check off
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shark surfing. To be fit, I suppose the more
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important question is what is your favorite ridiculous stroke
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genius moment in this film because the line is so thin
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between those two things and let's go round in the same
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direction. Simon The.
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Oven. Oh, please elaborate.
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That's one bit where the the cook character is trying to
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escape from the shark in his flooded kitchen, along with his
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pet parrot. And so he climbs up the
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flimsiest shelving imaginable, and it's the.
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Only thing still standing though weirdly.
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Yeah, and his, his pet parrot jumps onto a frying pan that's
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floating on the water and the shark eats it and then knocks
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him off these shelves. So he hides in the in this
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massive oven that the shark then manages to turn on.
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So he's being cooked in this oven.
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He's got an axe with him. He knocks his way through the
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top of the oven to the oven above.
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And meanwhile, the shark, having having to have risen with the
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the floodwaters that the oven he went into is now underwater and
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sticks his head in, sticks the shark's head in the oven.
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He's in the oven above. He dives over the over the
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shark. And there's this actually,
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throughout the film, there's this really entertaining thing
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to watch where LL Cool J obviously cannot swim and has
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been taught how to doggy paddle and that's it.
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But he's stunt double swims pretty well.
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So he's stunt double swims into the the entrance to the the
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kitchen, and he has a Zippo in his pocket that despite having
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been underwater, miraculously still works.
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And he manages to blow up the the gas coming out of the oven
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and take out the shark with it without getting burnt himself.
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It is every rule of logic out of the window and it was joyous to
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watch. Look, I don't really imagine in
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the cinema that was that it was. Fabulous.
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Yeah, to. Watch.
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Especially as the parrots said bite me and then got eaten.
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You ate my bird. You ate my bird bag, he.
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Was gone and. There there's so much borderline
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filthy dog and this which kept the 12 year old child to me
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wildly entertained to. Him at the end, didn't he?
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You're lucky, didn't eat your ass.
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Took me a while to realize he was talking about the shark
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Luke. So what was the stupidest moment
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in this movie for you? Stroke genius.
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I think the oven one is like is the winner.
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But there's a thing where LL Cool J Thomas Jane and Doctor
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Lady Saffron Burrows in an airlock or something like that.
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They get to pressurize it with water and kind of shoot
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themselves up out of the thing into the onto the surface or
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something like that. Like it wouldn't make them
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explode or kind of destroy them somehow.
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No. And then like right before they
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do it. Hello, cool.
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J's got to be like, hey, we all believe in God and Jesus.
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We're going to get through this. OK, I was bit that's now.
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It wasn't out of left field. He's been like that the whole
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movie, but just the scene, it just, it didn't call for that,
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but I. Think Riza rose up into the
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ocean though, right The second he was out of there.
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He got punished for that sermon, didn't he?
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That shark got him straight away and he still fucking survived.
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I couldn't believe it. Jeff, can you top that for
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ridiculous moments? Well, I came in a little late,
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so right when I came in, the whole surface of the facility
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was exploding, and that looked pretty awesome.
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I love that shaft that they had to climb up.
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Like, climbing is really hard, especially if your hands are wet
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and they're climbing up hundreds of feet and the water level
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starts to come in and it's rising and there's a shark and
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this whole ladder for no reason. I guess there may be there was
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an explosion or something that should get.
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And the ladder breaks free from its moorings, comes down and
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hits the other side of the wall. It was very Doctor Who, I feel
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like. And the lady drops off the
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ladder, goes into the water, and dude does all this rad acrobatic
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stuff. Was it Thomas Jane?
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Yeah. And he's like hanging with his
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hands down, waiting for her to to get up high enough to grab
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him and right as their fingers are about to touch like Neo Ink
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gets her. It was exciting as hell.
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Then she we were going, where is she?
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Where is she? She got gone and then a second
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later the shark bursting out of the water with her and his jaws
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and was she chopped in half? I can't remember.
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She was the one that got chopped fully in half.
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Lovely. Stuff, Lucy.
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Well, all of it really. I mean the shark not approving
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of smoking was one of my favorite bits, but as soon as as
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soon as as soon as the the brilliant professor amazing.
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Piercing the shark had. His arm off, which I mean just
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rude really, to smoke in a laboratory and what else?
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Oh yeah, and sharks not liking motivational speakers either.
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That's because. Of the whole.
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Movie personally, so the the the the desire to just bite somebody
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into when they've been trying to G you up a bit is irresistible
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really. That speech went on longer than
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Kapoldi's regeneration speech. It went on and on and on, and
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then the shark came up and murdered him.
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And the look of relief on everyone else's face.
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I want to see that outtake from Doctor Who where a shark just
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gets Capaldi in the middle of. His place, That would be
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wonderful. Actually, what that shark was
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thinking, if we had a thought bubble, it would have been
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saying this could have been an e-mail.
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I mean, there's three people wrote this thing, right?
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Duncan Kennedy did the first pass and then, unbelievably, it
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was rewritten by Donna Powers and Wayne Powers.
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Yeah, but I think that was. Crafted this dialogue.
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To change the direction of it, because from the looks of it,
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the first version was much more, oh, like aliens.
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So more, more military setting, more guns, more explosives, more
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sort of big beefy soldiers. And they, they wanted it to be
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the director presumably wanted it to be more like it was.
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So I think they came in and sort of changed that direction of it.
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You mean we could have had more big beefy soldiers in wet suits?
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Damn. Damn man.
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Instead. Instead they got a couple of
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ladies with their outfits loose. But there were various parts of
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the movie where we were all perking up in different times.
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Do you? Guys like this genre of this
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sort of little mad B movie, hyper intelligent shark genre,
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you know, like Sharknado and all the crazy films that come with
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it. Simon.
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Yes, I absolutely love B movies I grew up on like the the
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original 1950s stuff and all the Hammer horror and it's one of my
18:18
televisual happy places. I absolutely love it.
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Recommend like a really terrible stroke.
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Ecstatically wonderful B movie. The Trollenberg Terror.
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And why is that? It's it's wildly entertaining.
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There's a hilarious bit where they they end up running around
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this abandoned village trying to find this kid that's just
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wandered off while they're all they're trying to evacuate
18:47
everything. It's got Hoo alumni in it.
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It was based on a an ITVTV science fiction thing, the first
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TV science fiction that ITV put out and it's just wildly
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entertaining. Alf Garnett is in it being a
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scientist. It has people getting their
19:04
heads chopped off. Ruben from Fang Rock is there as
19:10
a an axe wielding murderer. What that thing hasn't got is
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it's brilliant, right? Coming soon SO.
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Entertained. It's possible.
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It's also possible there's an Ex and Ross experiment episode on
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it. Just to toot my own horn.
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Check it. Out Luke B movies.
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Yeah, yeah, I love B movies. I also grew up watching Mystery
19:34
Science Theatre 3000 as well, which introduced me to even more
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different kinds of B movies and stuff as well.
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So I think I've got a higher higher tolerance for for shit
19:45
than most, but that's right. Accepted.
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Sensor right? With what?
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One in one sitting? Let's go.
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And do you have a dreadful B movie to recommend?
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Oh, not dreadful, but dreadfully good.
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I'd say like The Miami Connection, which is this
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schlocky kind of 80s action ninja movie for some reason
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about a group of guys who are best friends and they play music
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together and they beat up gangs as as as karate guys for some
20:24
reason. Yeah, it's fun.
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It's silly. It's it was like a lost movie
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from the 80s and someone found it in, it's like a Doctor Who
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story. Someone found it in the garbage
20:34
or someone found it on the shelf.
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It's lost 80s B movie and restored it and put it out into
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the world and it's it's hilarious.
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It's really it's really fun. I.
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Used to have moved down the pound shop, you know, like
20:47
obviously for for a pound and I used to buy them and me and my
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mate would have like B movie nights.
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So I've got quite a few on the shelf.
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Jeff, are you, you know, are your tastes usually more
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sophisticated than this or do you not mind a bit of schlock?
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Well. I'm embarrassed to admit that I
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don't have a A deep, I don't know, experience with B movies.
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I couldn't even get into Godzilla.
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So my closest analogs might be True Lies Total Recall like
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cartoons like Akira move. Your ass along.
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I was trying to. Think of the biggest wildest
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things and maybe The Force Awakens when they're trying to
21:32
escape the the ship. But yeah, I'm a much more sedate
21:38
person in general, I think. Well.
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You're choosing our next movie, so I can't wait to find out what
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that's going to be at the end of this episode.
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Sedate, did you say? I think I've got a clue what
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that is as well, Lucy. I mean, I'm assuming you love a
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bit of schlock. Oh yeah, I didn't always.
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I, when I was younger, I, I, I didn't realise that I liked
22:00
films like that. But actually I do, and I've
22:03
found that they are, for the last few years at any rate.
22:06
The things that sort of lift my mood or restore my equilibrium
22:09
is watching people punch 7 bells out of each other and then
22:12
exploding things. I have a low tolerance at the
22:16
moment, or I have for the last few years for films designed to
22:21
touch the emotions I would prefer to avoid.
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I would prefer to see things getting blown up and people
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facing 7 bells out of each other.
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So I love the John Wick films. I think they're fantastic.
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What I particularly liked about the last John, the latest John
22:36
Wick film, was that there were lots of fights where that was
22:39
sort of wince inducing. But the thing that really made
22:42
people wince was when he kept falling down the stairs because
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everybody knows what that feels like.
22:47
Nobody's had a fist fight with somebody, you know, Kevlar or
22:50
Jackie or got shot at, but everybody's fallen down the
22:53
stairs at some point. So we'll go, oh, wow.
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And oh, I liked, I haven't seen the newest Deadpool, but I liked
23:01
the first two Deadpool films. And yeah, just sort of, I mean,
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I'm a child of the 80s, but I came to the 80s movies later
23:12
when I was in my late teens and 20s.
23:14
So things like The Running Man and Predator and the two, two
23:21
and three Terminator films and only accidentally all Arnold
23:26
Schwarzenegger films, you see you're losing everything in the
23:29
80s So what can you say? And yeah, I did the same thing.
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I used to go to the pound shop and get a what looked like a
23:37
potentially rubbish film and have a thing called Ship Film
23:40
Sunday where I just watch it and which are on about it on
23:43
Facebook and they realise that nobody was paying any attention
23:46
but didn't matter. But you do occasionally find
23:48
some that are sort of slightly better than you think they might
23:51
have been. So there was one called, I think
23:54
it's called Doomsday and it's a British film and it stars Rona
23:59
Mitra, who was the model for the the live version of Lara Croft
24:05
at some points. And she's a a hard bitten
24:13
soldier type with an electronic eye that comes out so she can
24:18
see round corners and and there's a Craven government and
24:22
a pandemic and all kinds of people who Adrian Lester's in
24:27
it. Sean Pertwee's in it.
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I've definitely seen this. Malcolm Mcdowell's Malcolm
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McDowell Yes, Malcolm Mcdowell's in it, and I think it was
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directed by the same man who directed Dog Soldiers.
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Because short. Virtually goes on about dying in
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all these. I mean, it's not, it's not a
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spoiler to say that he's going to die.
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And yeah, it it just was, oh, Bob Hoskins was in it too,
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completely unexpectedly. That was very as a policeman and
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Alexander Siddiq was in it as the Prime Minister.
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So it's a huge, like, you know, very familiar cast.
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But actually it was, I found it a lot.
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It sounds really cheap. So I found it better than I was
25:11
expecting. But actually it was pretty good
25:12
and I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it on its own merits
25:15
rather than sort of at it. And I did like the fact that the
25:18
people in it behaved like, didn't behave like people in
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action films sometimes do. So when somebody, a second
25:26
person, jumps into the fight, the person doesn't go come on,
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they go, oh. Sake.
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Rather than. The the worst stroke.
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Best one I've ever seen, and it's the one I always talk about
25:38
on a hamster is a nymphoid barbarian in dinosaur hell,
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which is this fabulous B movie, which was done so cheap and it's
25:46
got this actress. I think she might have just been
25:48
a model because she was very pretty, but they made her look
25:51
like a Neanderthal and she's in furs and she's sort of running
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around this plate and they ain't even got money for CGI.
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So as people dressed up as dinosaurs attacking her, they're
26:00
trying to shoot it in a way, and she just loses her clothes
26:03
throughout the movie and runs her.
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I mean, it's absolutely dreadful, but it's very, very
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funny. You seen the The Langoliers,
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That's a great B movie. You seen that doesn't?
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Sound dreadful at. All I'll send you a copy look.
26:16
Oh, the Stephen King, Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
26:20
Balki from Perfect Strangers is a horribly annoying character in
26:24
that 10. Yeah, Bronson.
26:27
Pinchot Do they get murdered? Horribly on the tarmac when the
26:31
Langoliers attack. I think so.
26:34
He's whining the whole time. CGI.
26:37
It looks so terrible, but it is I.
26:39
Didn't I didn't enjoy. I don't Stephen King's creep me
26:42
out too much generally. I have seen The Shining, which
26:48
obviously was not really Stephen King's, it was Stanley
26:51
Kubrick's. And I've seen Doctor Sleep,
26:53
which had an unsatisfying ending.
26:55
So I had to text my brother and make sure that the ending in the
26:57
book was different to the ending in the film.
26:59
So yeah, wait a. Stephen King's story with a bad
27:02
ending. I don't.
27:03
I haven't. I mean, it was unsatisfying to
27:05
me because I wanted the character to live who died in
27:08
the film. So I had to check with my
27:09
brother whether whether it was the same in the book or whether
27:12
they'd done it differently. He's got a great idea.
27:16
He's he's got a brilliant idea and he just can't execute it
27:20
well. I haven't read them because they
27:21
are the the concepts creep me out too much, so I'm not going
27:24
to do that. But I like it.
27:25
I like B movies when they're when they're taking it
27:29
seriously. I don't like it when they're too
27:31
knowing and sort of, you know, ha ha, look at this nudge,
27:33
nudge. I prefer it when they're just
27:37
going for it. And sometimes it's funny, and
27:39
sometimes it's actually quite good.
27:41
I mean, there was a bit of a knowing wink, well, a bit a huge
27:46
wink out of the screen. But like I said, it was like a
27:48
Bee Movie on a Hollywood budget, so it was taking itself fairly
27:52
seriously. You just all would have seen the
27:55
room, right? Oh yeah, what's a fella's name?
28:00
Tommy Boys now. Yeah, Tommy.
28:02
Was that all right? I.
28:03
Did not hurt her. I did not.
28:05
He cannot say one line. Naturalistically, it's the worst
28:09
movie. Oh, hi.
28:11
Mark. Yeah, that's it.
28:14
All right. Cool all.
28:16
Right. The last question I'm going to
28:17
ask you before Jeff reveals the title, the second film Club film
28:23
book I was about to say is would you recommend this film to
28:28
people in your circle? You know, so I'm thinking Simon
28:30
for you, maybe for Ken, Luke for you, Andrew, Lucy for you, Si
28:36
and Jeff for you, whoever that lovely person was when you swung
28:39
the camera around and we saw her on the sofa.
28:42
That's my good friend Casey. Hey.
28:45
Casey, Simon. I do know people that I would
28:50
recommend this film to. Absolutely.
28:53
Ken isn't one of them. He doesn't really have an
28:58
appreciation for this kind of kitch and this kind of if he's
29:05
going to watch AB movie, he'll watch a A a classic 1950s B
29:11
movie and thoroughly enjoy it. Whereas I think he'd see this as
29:15
a bit Hollywood and probably not see beyond it.
29:18
But I know a lot of people who would absolutely love this film,
29:21
one of whom will be getting my DVD copy.
29:23
Oh. Great.
29:24
Oh, it's stood in the rounds, Luke.
29:27
Yeah, watch it with friends, don't be sober if you don't have
29:31
to be either and and enjoy. It's good for a laugh, but it'll
29:35
keep you on your toes with the some of its twists.
29:39
Like some people get eaten earlier than you think, others
29:42
get eaten later or not at all. You know the kids don't get
29:47
eaten at the start. It plays with you a little bit
29:49
whilst also being cheesy fun that shows you the.
29:53
Level of sophistication you're working with here.
29:55
Some people get eaten earlier than others.
29:58
That's right. Earlier than you'd expect them
30:00
to. Yeah, Jeff.
30:03
Is poor Casey going to be watching this before the end of
30:06
the day? I couldn't possibly imagine her
30:11
enjoying it. We're going to watch something
30:16
sedate later. What do you?
30:18
Mean by? Something sedate.
30:19
Will you please name and shame the film?
30:23
Well, I mean, like, her taste is a little different from mine,
30:27
but like Only Murders in the Building on Hulu, Marvelous.
30:32
Not a lot of things blowing up in that sort of show.
30:35
What's? The fellow's name who plays the
30:38
the director. In that, he's just Martin.
30:41
Short God I. Love him.
30:44
If we had nobility here, he would definitely be a Sir.
30:48
Yeah. And Lucy?
30:50
Well, I mean, I suppose the answer's yes.
30:51
You recommended it to us. Well, I don't, I mean it.
30:55
It depends if you if you are up for people being chewed in half
31:00
by sharks and things getting blown up and tension and
31:04
underwater. Many, many CIS we talked.
31:08
To who fans Lucy? Then yes, by all means go for
31:12
it. But there is quite a lot of
31:14
blood and some of it, some of the effects are pretty graphic.
31:18
Some of them work well and therefore are more disturbing
31:21
than others. So I would, I would place that,
31:24
that sort of warning on it. But otherwise, yeah, go nuts.
31:26
Why not? I forgot to mention it.
31:30
Like the director does a great job with art direction, editing,
31:36
sound editing. Cinematographer Stephen Winden
31:39
is incredible. It's it's the people and their
31:43
words that come out of their mouths.
31:45
That is a little questionable. But yeah, it's beautiful to look
31:49
at. Has.
31:49
Anyone seen A Nightmare on Elm Street 4 because he directed
31:52
that as well. Sure.
31:53
Have die. Hard 2.
31:56
I've definitely seen that a. Handful of films to his name.
32:00
And a bunch of Fast and Furious which I haven't seen in the.
32:04
One that was married to Geena Davis.
32:06
For a minute and they. Made the pirate film with her
32:09
and Matthew Modine in that I can't remember the name I think.
32:12
So the long kiss. Good night as well, I think.
32:16
What's the cutthroat Ireland? Yes, I think that was it.
32:20
Yeah, I didn't. I never saw it, but I saw about
32:22
it do. You know, you say about the art
32:25
direction, I feel as if this is what we want Doctor Who to look
32:27
like. It's under the basics and things
32:30
like this. Because as we were going
32:32
through, it's like, yeah, this bit on this ladder is a bit like
32:34
Voyage of the Dam. This bit under here is a bit
32:37
like, yeah, but they all look shit in Doctor Who, whereas they
32:39
looked amazing in this film. Yeah.
32:41
But Doctor Who is and always was and was television, and this is
32:46
film. And they're certainly making
32:49
strides, yeah. But the camera is always in
32:52
motion, the editing is really sharp and quick.
32:56
Jeff, there's a huge responsibility bestowed upon you
33:00
right now. So when we return to gather in
33:03
about a month's time, what on earth are we going to be
33:06
watching? OK, it's one of my top five
33:10
favorite films. It's a comedy.
33:13
See if you can recognize this quote.
33:16
Rodents of Unusual Size. I don't believe they exist.
33:21
Click, click. Bang.
33:22
There he comes. Yeah, that's Princess Bride.
33:24
Baby can. I.
33:26
Just see if I've got this right. Is it the one with Anne Hathaway
33:28
in it? No, that's the Princess Diaries.
33:32
Oh, what's The Princess Bride? OK so it's a medieval fantasy
33:39
but like if your comedy friends put it on like at the local
33:44
park, like all the sets are pretty generic but the acting is
33:49
incredible. The funniest people are in it.
33:53
Who's the guy that does Miracle Mike?
33:57
Miracle Max? Harry Met Sally.
34:02
Are you thinking, are you thinking about the guy from My
34:05
Dinner with Andre? He's he's, he's one of the well,
34:08
no. He's incredible.
34:09
He plays Vassini, I can't remember his name either.
34:12
Mandy. Can take him on star.
34:13
Trek and. Wally Shawn.
34:16
Wallace Shawn. He plays Grand Negus, doesn't
34:19
he? He's Wallace.
34:19
Shawn in this movie, Yeah. Yeah.
34:22
Assault on there, Robin. Wright.
34:25
Robin Wright is incredible. Carrie Elway's Andre the Giant,
34:31
Did you mention him already? Mandy Patinkin from Criminal
34:35
Minds, He. Does an ego?
34:37
Montoya. You killed my father.
34:39
Pray to die. Yeah, well, I've.
34:42
Never seen it so I can't wait. I mean.
34:44
Obviously. Everyone's got the option to
34:46
come and watch this film with us if they want to or not, but
34:49
story? Within a story.
34:51
The idea is that I haven't, I haven't seen all of the film,
34:54
but I have read the novelization, the novel, which
34:56
is brilliant too. And the idea is that an A
35:00
grandfather is telling a grandfather or a father
35:03
grandfather I think is telling his grandson, reading his
35:06
grandson the story. And the grandfather is Peter
35:09
Falk. He's reading the.
35:12
Story. But in presumably in the film,
35:15
but in the book, he'll get to a bit and say, oh, no, this bit's
35:18
really boring. It's all about hacks.
35:20
I'm going to skip this bit and go on to the next.
35:22
So you've sort of you're reading, it's like you're seeing
35:25
it through the eyes of the the people outside of it as well.
35:29
But yeah, it's a sort of Rotania fantasy land with evil Princess
35:33
and giants and yeah, the. Car sounds incredible.
35:39
All level went quite well then. Oh, I'm just.
35:42
Imagining scenes from it, trying to remember.
35:45
After in a month's time, All right, It's your choice.
35:47
You better be there. One of the most famous lines in
35:52
it made it into a a workshop, a networking workshop, and it was
36:02
a slide about how you should introduce yourself to somebody.
36:05
And so it was. Tell them your name, explain
36:09
your connection to the person, and then manage their
36:11
expectations. So I am Inigo Montoya.
36:14
You killed my father, prepared to die.
36:18
Lucy, you should be a film historian.
36:22
You've missed your calling, you know.
36:25
Well, everybody, thank you so much for coming tonight.
36:28
It's been an absolute blast. Very quickly, can I go around
36:31
and ask where people can find you if they wish to find you on
36:34
the back of this recording, Simon?
36:38
Well the easiest place to find me is as one of the Co hosts of
36:41
the X and MOS Experiment podcast on Doctor Who and archive
36:47
television, Tonic Screwdriver podcast on Gin, Kinky Boots, a
36:51
watch through of Avengers episodes and the Archive of
36:57
Audio Antiquities where we look at audio drama.
37:01
All with my good friend Ken Moss.
37:04
It's some prolific content. We like to keep busy.
37:09
And. We've been, we've been doing it
37:10
a long time, I know. There's about 500 episodes.
37:13
Banks as well. Including yours.
37:15
Yeah, including. That Don't worry, I'll listen to
37:18
it when it comes out. Luke, where are you?
37:21
Well, the easiest way for Doctor Who people to listen to me is
37:27
our book clubs with Oh. Yeah, I'm like.
37:29
Over over a dozen of them now. And if for some reason you also
37:33
like Japanese professional wrestling, I've been I've got
37:37
over 200 episodes of that never open podcasts.
37:40
So there I don't think the fandoms really cross the
37:43
streams, but you never. Know until now, Jeff.
37:49
Hello. Yeah, you can find me all over
37:52
the Internet at El Hefe Tacoma. That's ELJEFE Tacoma.
37:57
I've Done Everything is Awesome, which is an arts and issue
38:01
interview podcast, and I do Shattered Worlds RPG, which is
38:05
an actual play podcast using a space opera RPGI created.
38:11
And I've got a new show coming up very soon called The Great
38:15
and Secret Knowledge, a speculative fiction podcast
38:18
where we go deep into the text. We start with Piranesi by
38:22
Susanna Clark, and we're moving on to The X-Files, so that
38:28
should be out within a month. You better.
38:29
Send me a link to that please at Lucy.
38:33
Well, I'm at Lucy McCall on Twitter and various versions of
38:39
my name on Instagram and Blue Sky and Facebook, where I spend
38:42
various amounts of time because I can't cope with the social
38:46
media being all over the place and so I keep forgetting and
38:50
just dropping to like a few things and then disappear again.
38:54
I'm on various podcasts when people ask me to be.
38:57
Can I? Play a game.
38:58
Can I shout podcasts at you and you say yes or no?
39:00
Yeah. OK.
39:01
OK. Trap one.
39:02
Yes. Have some blunt pen.
39:03
Knife. Yes.
39:06
Library of impossible things, No.
39:08
Oh, I'll have a word with him. Caitlin.
39:12
A bit of string. Yeah.
39:14
What's in the box? Yes, bloody.
39:16
Hell, you're prolific as well, wouldn't you?
39:18
Well, no, I mean, you know, a few and also, oh.
39:23
Strangers in space, we did. Strangers in space as well,
39:25
didn't we? Yes, you did.
39:28
Yeah, and I have some fan fiction which is hanging around
39:30
on hoofit.com if anyone wants to read it.
39:33
Guys, thank you so much for your time.
39:36
I will see you all in a month.