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Kernal Roberts: The Stories Behind Palance, Jumbie & It’s Carnival · Corie Sheppard Podcast

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SPEAKER_04: I love Cindy Lopal song.
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SPEAKER_04: It's Carnival.
0:02
SPEAKER_04: I mean, um, time after time.
0:04
SPEAKER_04: And I go and see if I can just piggyback this and just sucrise it.
0:09
SPEAKER_04: I call the think of a real big song for you.
0:12
SPEAKER_04: But we need a big artist to sing it with you.
0:15
SPEAKER_04: Let me try Bungee.
0:18
SPEAKER_04: Oh, Marshall.
0:19
SPEAKER_04: Boy, we not 14 and we not 12 seater.
0:22
SPEAKER_04: It's not toy, you know, it's torture, boy.
0:24
SPEAKER_04: It's torture and torment.
0:26
SPEAKER_04: We used to go through.
0:27
SPEAKER_04: We paved the way for all them bands who have it nice.
0:30
SPEAKER_04: Jumping around like Dundee.
0:32
SPEAKER_04: Dinky D tongue like Dundee.
0:33
SPEAKER_04: Cannot find our word, boy.
0:35
SPEAKER_04: Park up my car right by the statue.
0:37
SPEAKER_04: I said, Oh boy, daddy by writing the song, boy.
0:39
SPEAKER_04: Jumping around like what?
0:41
SPEAKER_04: Like what, catch?
0:43
SPEAKER_04: What are we jumping around like?
0:45
SPEAKER_04: As I drive off.
0:46
SPEAKER_04: Jumbi just replaced Dundee.
0:48
SPEAKER_04: One day I was home, and Jason called me and said, you know the word palance?
0:53
SPEAKER_04: Where you mean palance?
0:54
SPEAKER_04: You know, it's Friday evening, you by smokey, we palancing.
0:57
SPEAKER_04: Immediately I started hearing Roman trumpets.
1:03
SPEAKER_04: Like you know, the emperor coming in.
1:05
SPEAKER_04: I said, I'm gonna put palance on the phrasing a hearing of the Roman trumpets.
1:15
SPEAKER_04: And she was on stage feeding the people low.
1:19
SPEAKER_04: Saying that they are the biggest road match family in the country.
1:23
SPEAKER_04: So super 10, y'all and have two, she has display.
1:30
SPEAKER_04: It's not the Montano Snyder, how much the Montano's love?
1:32
SPEAKER_04: Not the Montano Snyder.
1:34
SPEAKER_04: It's the Robert family.
1:35
SPEAKER_04: So my father has 11 and I have five, and that is more.
1:42
SPEAKER_02: You know, I'm corey, step on core, step on corey, step on corey, step on.
1:50
Corie: Mommy, look at the management.
1:52
Corie: Don't let the topic.
1:59
Corie: The notion meeting thing that I was doing in the beginning where I asked to like and subscribe, and it looked like that.
2:03
Corie: So I just want to do that over, please.
2:05
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2:09
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2:11
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2:17
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2:20
Corie: Bang.
2:20
Corie: Welcome to the Cory Shepherd Podcast.
2:22
Corie: Welcome back to everybody who's been listening.
2:24
Corie: Thanks for all the new people who tuning in.
2:25
Corie: Only had to give me a minute to talk about this man, right?
2:27
Corie: Don't get vexed.
2:28
Corie: For the people who are in audio and the people who are in video, this is not the episode where you don't know the name and you ain't watch the episode.
2:35
Corie: And if you don't know the name, I don't know where it was.
2:37
Corie: Or you don't know the face and you don't watch the episode.
2:39
Corie: It is impossible to write a top 10 list as soon in this country whether Squatch do it or somebody else do it properly.
2:45
Corie: Hoppy.
2:48
Corie: Allyman songs are gonna be in that top 10.
2:51
Corie: All the favorite songs written by this man.
2:53
Corie: And this is the reason why I stopped sing Calypso 2, because it looks like dirt in Newton boys' days in Calypso competition.
2:59
Corie: I want to welcome the great Colonel Roberts to the show.
3:02
SPEAKER_04: Thank you for having me.
3:03
SPEAKER_04: Great legendary.
3:05
Corie: I like that intro, boy.
3:06
Corie: Boy, let me tell you something, Vidas.
3:07
Corie: Do people here who from the band era who sing Kaiso, who sing soccer, who we like writers, we like business people, this man covering all them different things.
3:16
Corie: But check it out now.
3:18
Corie: Actually, a little nervous.
3:21
SPEAKER_04: I really be nervous at interviews, but for some strange reason this boy a little nervous.
3:26
SPEAKER_04: I think I either fan too.
3:28
SPEAKER_04: I must say.
3:29
SPEAKER_04: I appreciate that, I appreciate that, I appreciate it.
3:31
SPEAKER_04: I just deeply watched this for this podcast as has followed.
3:35
SPEAKER_04: And I really impressed with what I just seen her.
3:39
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
3:39
SPEAKER_04: You know, sir, and I impressed with the content is part.
3:42
SPEAKER_04: I love the demeanor.
3:43
SPEAKER_04: You know, sometimes you just your blood just takes a certain interviewer.
3:49
SPEAKER_04: Use that to mean.
3:50
SPEAKER_04: From the time I see him, my blood just takes.
3:53
SPEAKER_04: I just like your vibes.
3:54
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, a fanboy, you know right now.
3:55
SPEAKER_04: Well, alright, alright.
3:56
SPEAKER_04: We accept it, Latin.
3:57
SPEAKER_04: We accept that.
3:58
SPEAKER_04: A little nervous, but I'm not sure.
3:59
SPEAKER_04: I glad to hear that.
4:00
Corie: I glad to hear that.
4:01
Corie: We go back to New Tong boys' days now, because I was nervous when I see you mean if I were new tongue.
4:06
Corie: You and doing October make me stop saying calypse.
4:09
Corie: Yeah, you and doing occurrence me stop saying calypse.
4:11
Corie: So what?
4:15
Corie: Where are you born?
4:15
Corie: I born 80.
4:17
Corie: Mew too.
4:18
Corie: You born no 80.
4:19
Corie: Yes, I born 80.
4:20
SPEAKER_04: But your brother was in the year with me, Christian.
4:22
SPEAKER_04: My brother was 79, Christian.
4:24
SPEAKER_04: Christian, yeah.
4:25
SPEAKER_04: He was the year before me.
4:26
Corie: Serious, yeah.
4:27
Corie: You wasn't that yeah.
4:28
Corie: Yeah.
4:29
Corie: 79, yeah.
4:29
Corie: I was in the 79th year.
4:31
Corie: Well, I know I was young.
4:32
Corie: I was young.
4:32
Corie: I born February, must see the dates.
4:34
Corie: But boy, listen, when you and Dwayne go on Kaiso competition, it is over.
4:38
Corie: It's done it, done, it, done, it, done.
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SPEAKER_04: I could, as you said, Dude, I will never forget the Kaiso competition.
4:44
SPEAKER_04: I had one that year.
4:45
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
4:46
SPEAKER_04: Right.
4:46
SPEAKER_04: You win every day.
4:47
SPEAKER_04: Gomez.
4:48
SPEAKER_04: Mama Miss Gomez progressed.
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Corie: 100%.
4:51
SPEAKER_04: Miss Gomez was one of the baddest female teachers in the history.
4:55
SPEAKER_04: Chicken's.
4:56
SPEAKER_04: Remember chicken whip, did?
4:58
SPEAKER_04: She invent the chicken whip, boy.
5:00
SPEAKER_04: For the audience.
5:01
SPEAKER_04: Remember that chicken whip with that feather duster.
5:03
SPEAKER_04: But the handle side is where you're getting licks with.
5:05
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, she was a shave on shaved on the line.
5:09
SPEAKER_04: When tape in the middle, and the tape is the handle.
5:12
SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
5:12
SPEAKER_04: And the real handle the chicken whip, that is the whip you with.
5:15
SPEAKER_04: I ain't gonna lie, boy.
5:17
SPEAKER_04: But I remember before the competition, boy, only contestants in our classroom.
5:21
SPEAKER_04: Right.
5:21
SPEAKER_04: Miss Gomez comes in to warn me about we behaviour on stage.
5:25
SPEAKER_04: So she comes and she was like, Fellas, I let him only know one time.
5:29
SPEAKER_04: I don't want no whining on the stage.
5:32
SPEAKER_04: No whining.
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SPEAKER_04: Okay?
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SPEAKER_04: I want it controlled.
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SPEAKER_04: Well the God single calypso and come off the stage.
5:40
SPEAKER_04: Do we know corner?
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SPEAKER_04: No whining.
5:44
SPEAKER_04: No whining.
5:45
SPEAKER_04: She called pointed out all the usual suspects.
5:48
SPEAKER_04: Right?
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SPEAKER_04: My brother too.
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SPEAKER_04: Christian Robots.
5:51
SPEAKER_04: That's a wine self.
5:52
SPEAKER_04: No whining.
5:53
SPEAKER_04: What?
5:54
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, she said things, she inject fear anyway, yeah.
5:57
SPEAKER_04: I frightened so I don't know.
5:58
SPEAKER_04: My Kai so has nothing to do with whining anyway.
6:00
SPEAKER_04: So I was cool.
6:02
SPEAKER_04: Well, do you know Connor going up and sing?
6:04
SPEAKER_04: He Kai so succeed for your life.
6:07
SPEAKER_04: I'll never forget that.
6:08
SPEAKER_04: And when he's done, the man do so.
6:12
SPEAKER_04: Well I want more.
6:13
SPEAKER_04: Come again and turn around, he button to the crowd and start a peltwest.
6:19
SPEAKER_04: I will never forget that, boy.
6:21
SPEAKER_04: That man started peltways, but you all going on, he mash up the school.
6:24
SPEAKER_04: What you mean?
6:25
SPEAKER_04: What do you mean?
6:25
SPEAKER_04: Old school mm break down.
6:27
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
6:28
SPEAKER_04: Miss Gomez could have just do so and laugh, boy.
6:30
SPEAKER_04: She could help it, but she just had to laugh.
6:32
SPEAKER_04: Listen, listen.
6:33
SPEAKER_04: That was her era.
6:34
Corie: There was true, true performers.
6:35
Corie: True, true performers.
6:36
Corie: True performers.
6:37
Corie: Yeah, man, within everything.
6:38
Corie: What?
6:39
Corie: Yeah.
6:39
Corie: Now listen, I'll just start with you to say, you know, because one of the things I didn't say in the intro is the son, if anybody didn't know, the son of the great grandmaster, Lord Kitchener.
6:47
Corie: And I know you do a show earlier to say my mother was there.
6:49
Corie: She was selling about this show.
6:50
Corie: How it went?
6:51
Corie: Oh, she was real good, boy.
6:52
Corie: What's the name of it again?
6:54
Corie: Um, the Lord Kitchener Legacy.
6:55
Corie: Right.
6:56
Corie: How it went now?
6:57
SPEAKER_04: Excellent.
6:57
Corie: You sell out all about you?
6:58
Corie: You do it multiple venues?
6:59
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
7:00
SPEAKER_04: Um Napa.
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SPEAKER_04: And then after the response of Napa, we decided to do it in the east and dumb south.
7:09
SPEAKER_04: Right.
7:09
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
7:10
SPEAKER_04: To share the wealth.
7:12
SPEAKER_04: So you know we we um we put on two more shows on.
7:15
SPEAKER_04: They wasn't as good as Napa, but it was decent still.
7:19
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
7:21
SPEAKER_04: But people enjoy it.
7:21
SPEAKER_04: People like it.
7:22
SPEAKER_04: People enjoy it, yeah.
7:23
Corie: People like Kitch Music Last Forever.
7:24
Corie: Yeah.
7:25
Corie: You performing it, making it last even more.
7:27
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
7:27
SPEAKER_04: And the second show, the one in Trinity East College up in Trincity up there.
7:33
SPEAKER_04: Right.
7:34
SPEAKER_04: At the end of the show, boy, you're performing and a woman ran out from the crowd.
7:38
SPEAKER_04: By that time, the whole audience was standing up, fetting.
7:41
SPEAKER_04: It was like a calypso fet.
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SPEAKER_04: Transformed the whole hall.
7:45
SPEAKER_04: Everybody was off the seat and everybody was fetted.
7:48
SPEAKER_04: So this woman ran from the back.
7:50
SPEAKER_04: I seen she coming running through people.
7:52
SPEAKER_04: She grabbed the mic from me and she started telling me, see, you're thanking everybody, but I want to thank you.
7:58
SPEAKER_04: I want to thank you for what you've been doing.
8:00
SPEAKER_04: And this show that you put on here, we need more shows like these.
8:03
SPEAKER_04: And she started crying Cory.
8:06
SPEAKER_04: Right, it was real touching.
8:07
SPEAKER_04: She's a real passionate fan of Calypse, so you could see it.
8:10
SPEAKER_04: She played Marsome since 1945.
8:13
SPEAKER_04: Oh wow.
8:15
SPEAKER_04: Thomas.
8:16
SPEAKER_04: Thomas.
8:17
SPEAKER_04: She and David played the same year.
8:20
SPEAKER_04: And boy, she started going on your mic, boy.
8:23
SPEAKER_04: She didn't even want to pass back the mic.
8:24
SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
8:25
SPEAKER_04: She's going and she's going and she goes in and she started crying and she's real, you know, passionate about the whole fact that we need more shows like these.
8:33
SPEAKER_04: She had to call out a whole list of Calypso that we could keep this going.
8:37
SPEAKER_04: 100%.
8:37
SPEAKER_04: So she started begging me and the promoters to do more like this, you know.
8:42
SPEAKER_04: And it's just evident that we really need that, that, that legacy, that lineage of these kind of calypsos to go on, to carry on and train that.
8:53
Corie: That's part of the work.
8:54
Corie: That's part you're talking about when we were young in Newton, we had to remember that it's still a train in Newton now, you know.
8:59
Corie: And if we don't carry on the legacy of some of these great men who you grow up around really.
9:03
Corie: It had to be.
9:04
Corie: They could be forgotten or no.
9:05
SPEAKER_04: It had to be it had to be in the school curriculum.
9:08
SPEAKER_04: Now I find like it should be there.
9:10
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
9:11
SPEAKER_04: Being taught to our youths.
9:14
SPEAKER_04: 100%.
9:15
SPEAKER_04: Because you didn't show to hear now with social media and radio and thing.
9:21
SPEAKER_04: You ain't sure to hear calypso and thing on the radio on no urban station.
9:24
SPEAKER_04: What do the youths go be listening to?
9:26
SPEAKER_04: No, they wouldn't hear it, but.
9:27
SPEAKER_04: They ain't listening to no calipso.
9:28
SPEAKER_04: The urban station play no calypso.
9:30
SPEAKER_04: You had to go tune into I 105 or I95.
9:35
SPEAKER_04: Hard your radio in your house again.
9:36
SPEAKER_04: That's right, that's right.
9:38
Corie: Yeah, you're not listening at all.
9:40
Corie: But you talk about finality show, right?
9:41
Corie: You know what is one of the things I see a lot here.
9:43
Corie: Yeah.
9:43
Corie: And that's why I encourage people when they come here to call the names of the people and call the songs.
9:48
Corie: Because like the last one I saw was JW and Blaze, your your squad.
9:54
Corie: They were talking about Eater Food.
9:56
Corie: So what I would see a lot is we could talk about Eater Food here, and then I go go and watch Eater Food video in the comments, and you see it in the comments.
10:02
Corie: They say they come here from Cory Shepherd Podcast.
10:04
Corie: So there's our education as a channel.
10:07
Corie: 100%, 100%.
10:08
SPEAKER_04: It's all about receiving information and you know.
10:10
Corie: Yeah, yeah.
10:11
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
10:12
Corie: You know.
10:12
Corie: But you're talking about the emotion in that show.
10:14
Corie: I know that was the first show, that was the first performance you do for your dad while mommy had passed.
10:18
Corie: Condolences on mommy passing too.
10:20
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
10:21
SPEAKER_04: In Napa boy.
10:22
SPEAKER_04: I just break down boy, just hit my cough in my face.
10:25
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
10:26
SPEAKER_04: Grief.
10:27
SPEAKER_04: When I started talking about sugar bumbo man thing, it was overwhelming, but just take move away.
10:32
SPEAKER_04: Couldn't hold it back.
10:36
SPEAKER_04: I see my daughter and them on the side, stage left.
10:40
SPEAKER_04: And the watching and just watching them too.
10:43
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, boy, just come on, but expect it at all.
10:46
SPEAKER_04: They're looking to come on stage a console, man.
10:48
SPEAKER_04: I say, right, let's my man up now, let my man up now.
10:54
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
10:55
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
10:56
SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
10:56
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but that was a beautiful moment too, you know what I mean?
10:59
SPEAKER_04: Celebrating her life.
11:00
SPEAKER_04: Sugar boom boom, Audrey.
11:03
SPEAKER_04: You know, she really helped make that song what it is today, you know.
11:07
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, of course, of course.
11:08
SPEAKER_04: On her reel, because she was like the first dancer girl in in Calebso a long time, you know.
11:15
SPEAKER_04: Like one of the first popular ones, you know what I mean?
11:18
SPEAKER_04: Dancing with dad all over the place, you know, with sugar boom boom.
11:22
SPEAKER_04: They told the world performing that song and making it famous and a classic today.
11:27
Corie: Yeah, classic, classic.
11:29
Corie: Today's already we have plenty of classics to talk about.
11:31
Corie: Pelamas here talking about that sugar bum.
11:34
SPEAKER_04: I did never even know Pelum played the keyboard line on that.
11:36
SPEAKER_04: But you didn't.
11:36
SPEAKER_04: That's no way I find out that I see education again, watching Korea.
11:39
SPEAKER_04: I just assume all you know these things.
11:41
SPEAKER_04: I didn't know I know a lot of things, but not everything I know.
11:44
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
11:45
SPEAKER_04: So, when I hear Pelum reveal that on the show, I was like, Yeah, Miss Pelum play that.
11:50
SPEAKER_04: Well, obviously, Pelham is a legend himself, you know, a boss at what he does.
11:54
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
11:55
SPEAKER_04: The most winning is.
11:57
SPEAKER_04: Um, road match.
11:59
SPEAKER_04: Road match producer of all time.
12:01
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
12:01
SPEAKER_04: You can't touch Pelham.
12:02
Corie: We say yeah, 14 and a half.
12:04
Corie: He said he had a peace and flag party too.
12:07
SPEAKER_04: Pelum is our shoe, boy.
12:09
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
12:09
Corie: It's interesting to hear him talk about it, right?
12:11
Corie: And I wanted to hear your opinion on it too.
12:14
Corie: Because we we live in a world now where the AI music, the Suno thing, I hear in song producing two, three times a day, man releasing song now.
12:21
SPEAKER_04: You could do a million songs at Suno.
12:23
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
12:23
SPEAKER_04: Suno would give you many options.
12:25
SPEAKER_04: You just had to prompt it.
12:26
SPEAKER_04: I wonder from the program where you're prompting and it's gonna give you a whole lot of options of what you're looking for.
12:34
SPEAKER_04: Right.
12:34
Corie: And when you have musicians like yourself, you'll hear it differently.
12:38
Corie: Like when you hear a Suno song, you'll kinda be able to identify it.
12:40
Corie: Immediately.
12:41
SPEAKER_04: I know all the Suno songs.
12:43
SPEAKER_04: I know all.
12:43
SPEAKER_04: It's all it's had a good bit that gets you in this cardival.
12:47
SPEAKER_04: Big, big, big tune.
12:49
SPEAKER_04: I went to her to call that too.
12:52
SPEAKER_04: Tell us somebody.
12:52
Corie: Oh, you drinking, oh, you drinking wrong more.
12:54
SPEAKER_04: I find, yeah.
12:55
SPEAKER_04: If this got to register more, we're gonna watch out here, only look out, only my mouth.
13:01
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
13:02
SPEAKER_04: All you soon men on them.
13:06
SPEAKER_04: But at the end of the day, I find it's not something I should even knock because our tool is just who could use it the best.
13:12
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
13:13
SPEAKER_04: I really want a problem with Sooner.
13:16
SPEAKER_04: Sooner comes like cheating.
13:18
SPEAKER_04: Let me be real.
13:20
SPEAKER_04: On a creative level, it kind of comes like cheating, but helping you.
13:24
SPEAKER_04: It's giving you things.
13:25
SPEAKER_04: If you're trying to come up with a guitar line and you're catching your tail, you could just type in, give me a nice Caribbean guitar line, blah.
13:32
SPEAKER_04: So Suno will play the instrument as well.
13:34
SPEAKER_04: That given you wherever you want.
13:35
SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
13:36
SPEAKER_04: It has different levels of the program.
13:38
SPEAKER_04: Especially if you are the top level, that given you anything.
13:41
SPEAKER_04: Brass lines, keyboard lines, guitar line, bass line, drums.
13:47
SPEAKER_04: Produce the whole song.
13:48
SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
13:49
SPEAKER_04: Kim had different vocals, male, female, you are high vocals, you were low vocals.
13:55
SPEAKER_04: This is just a prompt.
13:56
SPEAKER_04: Anything, just had a prompted.
13:57
SPEAKER_04: So it's like it's like chat GPT music.
14:00
SPEAKER_04: Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
14:01
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
14:01
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but you're hearing it.
14:02
SPEAKER_04: You're hearing it.
14:03
SPEAKER_04: Of course you can hear it.
14:04
SPEAKER_04: I will know it, but song now, yeah.
14:06
SPEAKER_04: Hear any song at the end.
14:07
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's plasticky.
14:08
Corie: Yeah, it's a well, at least the people who let me let me still say it's plasticky.
14:12
Corie: The people who like yourself, like Kenny Phillips recently sent me something he did with AI.
14:18
Corie: It's very hard to detect.
14:19
Corie: Because he will, for instance, when you're here, he could play.
14:22
Corie: So he will go and play over the guitar.
14:23
Corie: He played.
14:23
Corie: He tell me about play over the guitar, play over the bass.
14:25
Corie: So hear any human element in it.
14:27
Corie: Correct.
14:27
SPEAKER_04: It's our ways you could use it.
14:29
SPEAKER_04: Like Suno could give you something and you exactly like what Kenny do.
14:32
SPEAKER_04: You could play it over, you don't have to use the Suno stem.
14:34
SPEAKER_04: Right.
14:35
SPEAKER_04: You don't have to use the Suno stem.
14:36
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so it's a caraphost.
14:38
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
14:38
SPEAKER_04: Alright.
14:38
SPEAKER_04: They playing tad.
14:40
SPEAKER_03: You would take that, all right.
14:45
SPEAKER_03: And play a little own, ting and tick, twist it a little bit.
14:48
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
14:49
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
14:49
SPEAKER_04: So you could it just help you.
14:52
SPEAKER_04: You just have to know how to apply it to the craft.
14:54
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
14:55
SPEAKER_04: You don't want to overdo it, you know what I mean?
14:56
SPEAKER_04: You don't have to overdo it.
14:57
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you want to overdone whole everything or soon gear.
15:00
Corie: Well, some men find in a prompt and say, just give my heads.
15:03
Corie: It's song like that.
15:05
Corie: Song like Kess.
15:06
Corie: I find so real song like Kessel.
15:08
Corie: Yeah, it's here certain it's I I call it like cruise ship music.
15:11
Corie: You know, when you go into cruise ships, it's here kind of music that wants to be sky, so it wants to be reggae, it wants to be super.
15:17
Corie: Tropical.
15:17
Corie: Yeah, tropical.
15:19
Corie: Tropical.
15:20
Corie: So I wonder how y'all feel about it.
15:21
Corie: Because when I hear Pelum talking about it and the track being basically done, he's going back in his studio and put a piece of music will become the most iconic thing on the song.
15:29
Corie: How you answer him talk about it when he was here in terms of the melody lines, the harmonies and things.
15:34
Corie: I wonder how you feel about it listening to it now.
15:36
Corie: You think the music now we're making will last as long as them fellas' music.
15:40
Corie: Who fellas?
15:41
Corie: Them fellas and them like get your father, the music you make.
15:45
Corie: Because you make some music while lasting.
15:47
Corie: It done last 20 to years, of course.
15:51
SPEAKER_04: I mean, Suno could do, I tell you, it's a good tool.
15:54
SPEAKER_04: I don't knock in Suno, I don't knock in technology.
15:56
SPEAKER_04: Right.
15:57
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, none of that.
15:58
SPEAKER_04: I think it's just how you use it and apply it.
16:00
SPEAKER_04: Right.
16:01
SPEAKER_04: Right.
16:02
SPEAKER_04: At the end of the day, you're trying to make a hit record.
16:05
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
16:05
SPEAKER_04: And if it have different tools in the trade now to help you, I mean, you could it's all well and good.
16:11
SPEAKER_04: Right.
16:11
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
16:12
SPEAKER_04: Just to overdo it.
16:13
SPEAKER_04: I wouldn't take a whole Suno production and pay it out.
16:16
SPEAKER_04: I might take elements and try and forge it into what I I create in.
16:22
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
16:22
SPEAKER_04: I might take a stem that, you know, songin' human enough that will blend with or mesh with what I doing.
16:30
SPEAKER_04: But I will always have a production set up and I will take from that and put it, incorporate it with this.
16:36
SPEAKER_04: And put my own twist and my own touch on to wherever I taken from Suno if I decide to do that.
16:42
SPEAKER_04: That's how probably I would go around using Suno.
16:45
SPEAKER_04: Understand.
16:46
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
16:46
SPEAKER_04: I wouldn't just take what they give me.
16:48
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
16:49
SPEAKER_04: Because I'm a musician myself.
16:51
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
16:51
SPEAKER_04: And I prompting it what I want.
16:53
SPEAKER_04: You know, all the time you get exactly what you want too.
16:57
Corie: Well, you're he has trained too.
16:58
Corie: So you you know the difference between where you want and and and you know hit songs.
17:01
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so I know really knocking it.
17:03
SPEAKER_04: And and in terms of, you know, music living on.
17:07
SPEAKER_04: I guess.
17:09
SPEAKER_04: You never really know what song is gonna end up being a classic, you know.
17:13
SPEAKER_04: No.
17:13
SPEAKER_04: You never really know really and truly.
17:16
SPEAKER_04: It's just a vibe in the universe as if the universe, the the music gods allow it, you know.
17:22
SPEAKER_04: I mean, there's a lot of factors that have to go into that.
17:25
SPEAKER_01: Right.
17:26
SPEAKER_04: For that to end up being a classic, there's many factors.
17:29
SPEAKER_04: And so I can never really, really, you know, forecast and say, well, hmm, this song will be a classic.
17:36
SPEAKER_04: You'll have hopeful songs, you'll always have hopefuls, but they do always turn out that way.
17:40
Corie: Yeah, it's interesting because with respect to everybody else who said on here before, you are some classics where, like I say, that top ten lists, like I sure you see it.
17:48
Corie: Alright, look, I'll talk about this.
17:49
SPEAKER_04: The year the same year with um with Palance.
17:52
SPEAKER_04: The song that I thought was going blow chain, other way was a song I do for Patrice named Road Show.
17:58
SPEAKER_04: Right.
17:58
SPEAKER_04: I didn't really had no hope for Palance, to be honest with you.
18:04
SPEAKER_04: No, let me say that I don't hope for it.
18:06
SPEAKER_04: I didn't had nowhere close to thinking palance or to do what it did.
18:10
SPEAKER_04: Right.
18:10
SPEAKER_04: Right, no way in no way close.
18:12
SPEAKER_04: I was thinking palance or the two way it did, right?
18:16
SPEAKER_04: But um the song that I thought would have taken trainer by storm that yeah was Puty Shrubbard's Roadshow 2010.
18:24
SPEAKER_04: That never get one play, I never hear it on the radio one time, apart from the time and release it.
18:32
SPEAKER_04: Apart from the release morning, I never hear roadshows in my life.
18:36
SPEAKER_04: Road show just ended up with the husband.
18:38
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
18:39
SPEAKER_04: In them days, them days was CD days.
18:42
SPEAKER_04: You know, that I take it 96, it's just a 3F CD in our box, fling in our box.
18:46
SPEAKER_04: Must he still live?
18:47
Corie: Show him there, must he still live for the five box, right?
18:50
Corie: Part of what we're doing here is verifying story, you know.
18:51
Corie: Blaze say he's bouncy up by mileage mark.
18:54
Corie: Real thing?
18:54
SPEAKER_04: Well, yeah, part of them stood, you see, hmm.
18:58
SPEAKER_04: I have a memory, I hope I'm and I write it, so I had a good my memory.
19:02
SPEAKER_04: That'd be it.
19:03
SPEAKER_04: Right?
19:05
SPEAKER_04: To me, it's Jason who first told me about writing for them.
19:12
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
19:12
SPEAKER_04: Blaze tell me too, he really did see me in mileage mark, but that was after.
19:16
SPEAKER_04: That was after it all initiated with Jason.
19:20
SPEAKER_04: Jason is who meet me, I was like, no boy.
19:25
SPEAKER_04: And I get the character.
19:28
SPEAKER_04: And I get the character.
19:32
SPEAKER_04: Hey, Jason was like, we're going, boy.
19:35
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, boy, brother, boy.
19:36
SPEAKER_04: Me and Jason always had a good relationship too before.
19:39
SPEAKER_04: Like, I'd me and Jason was friends before me and Blaze.
19:42
SPEAKER_04: Jason was Woodbrook, man, too.
19:44
SPEAKER_04: Well, he was around this scene.
19:45
Corie: I hear the other day saying go with Brook, but he was around.
19:50
Corie: Yeah, he used to live there, yeah, but in terms of school.
19:52
SPEAKER_04: I can't remember exactly where me and Jason meet on the circuit.
19:55
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but Jason been around.
19:57
SPEAKER_04: We had friends before.
19:58
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
19:58
SPEAKER_04: He had approaching at Palace.
20:05
Corie: So hey, quick one before we get back into the conversation.
20:08
Corie: You're always in the comments asking about part two, right?
20:11
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20:13
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20:14
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20:18
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20:22
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20:25
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20:30
SPEAKER_04: Jason, I can remember Jason saying, criminal boy, you know me and Blaze boy, you know, we had a little interfeud and thing last year and thing, and we want to be all more serious and thing, you know what I mean?
20:40
SPEAKER_04: I said, true.
20:41
SPEAKER_04: I'm like, boy, you think you could write a song for Weaver?
20:43
SPEAKER_04: I say, well, it's a possibility.
20:45
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
20:46
SPEAKER_04: Them days are real busy.
20:49
SPEAKER_04: And you know, they are the more they are more unlikely so artists that I would really work with, you know what I mean?
20:55
SPEAKER_04: Because At that time.
20:56
SPEAKER_04: At that time, they now start and start any kind of comedic side, so you know what I mean.
21:00
SPEAKER_04: And you don't?
21:01
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
21:02
SPEAKER_04: I done thing and I look into.
21:04
SPEAKER_04: Actually, that year, that year Marshall take a break.
21:08
SPEAKER_04: So I was looking to dominate.
21:10
SPEAKER_04: I see take a little break.
21:13
SPEAKER_04: I was looking to, you know, Marshy Wilks.
21:15
SPEAKER_04: Right.
21:16
SPEAKER_04: I wasn't looking at Marshy Wilks with them.
21:19
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
21:20
SPEAKER_04: You can't predict that.
21:22
SPEAKER_02: And I could not predict that.
21:24
SPEAKER_04: It's Patrice.
21:25
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I said, no disrespect to them fellas and them, them and them with bosses in their own rights.
21:29
SPEAKER_04: But I mean, at the time, them only sing one soaker before that I know about, and it was a comedy thing, eat our food thing, them and coming out fridge and freezer and things.
21:39
SPEAKER_04: I this clung thing.
21:41
SPEAKER_04: But when Jason tell me the serious and the wonder song, I said, Well, Jason, well, give me something to work with too.
21:48
SPEAKER_04: If you could if you have something to give me to work with, that will help.
21:51
SPEAKER_04: Because I'm busy too.
21:53
SPEAKER_04: I'm on a mission here right now.
21:54
SPEAKER_04: Right, right.
21:55
SPEAKER_04: And I could remember one day I was home, and Jason called me and said, I get a topic, you know.
22:01
SPEAKER_04: I say, where's the?
22:02
SPEAKER_04: You say, boy, you know the word palance?
22:05
SPEAKER_04: I say, palance.
22:06
SPEAKER_04: I say, yeah, I know that word.
22:07
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
22:08
SPEAKER_04: And at the time it was no big popular word.
22:10
SPEAKER_04: It wasn't as popular with that word that you're talking about.
22:12
SPEAKER_04: With a morning show thing with them, you know?
22:14
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
22:14
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they used to say it a lot on the morning show.
22:16
SPEAKER_04: Well, right.
22:16
SPEAKER_04: Radio.
22:17
SPEAKER_04: I probably heard once or twice.
22:19
SPEAKER_04: But I say it wasn't a real strong popular word, right?
22:21
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
22:22
SPEAKER_04: To me.
22:23
SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
22:24
SPEAKER_04: No, it wasn't.
22:25
SPEAKER_04: It wasn't, right?
22:25
SPEAKER_04: No, no, no.
22:26
SPEAKER_04: It wasn't.
22:26
SPEAKER_04: It was not a real strong popular word.
22:27
SPEAKER_04: But I know the word you hear it every now and then you might hear the palance and thing.
22:31
SPEAKER_04: So he tried to explain it to me, you know, Palan.
22:32
SPEAKER_04: I say, we mean palance.
22:34
SPEAKER_04: You know, it's Friday evening, you buy smokey, we palancing.
22:38
SPEAKER_04: You know, as we go and palance and drink a beer and a white, think, think.
22:41
SPEAKER_04: And he's trying to explain it to me, right?
22:43
SPEAKER_04: I could never forget that.
22:45
SPEAKER_04: Him trying to explain, you know, what palance means and all that.
22:49
SPEAKER_04: And I was like, well, um, I was kind of half-hearted.
22:53
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, was it true thoughts going through your head at this point in time?
22:55
SPEAKER_04: At this time, I was like, whoa.
22:59
SPEAKER_04: I wanna help them, but I'm not feeling convinced by the word, because it, as I say, it's not so popular of a word.
23:08
SPEAKER_04: It's a task.
23:09
SPEAKER_04: It's a project song.
23:10
SPEAKER_04: Because you now use it playing with a word that nobody does really, really know too much.
23:15
SPEAKER_04: You know, it probably are people never even hear the word.
23:17
SPEAKER_01: No.
23:18
SPEAKER_04: And now I had to make a song of this word.
23:21
SPEAKER_04: So it's an uphill battle one time.
23:23
Corie: And you never really worked with them before, did you say that?
23:24
SPEAKER_04: I never worked with them before, the first time.
23:27
SPEAKER_04: I did I didn't really know Blaze that much.
23:29
SPEAKER_04: Right.
23:30
SPEAKER_04: Probably meet him once or times before, but me and Jason was the more friends, right?
23:35
SPEAKER_04: So I don't like to disappoint people.
23:38
SPEAKER_04: So, if I had gave my word, I would write a song for you, I would really try and write the song for you.
23:43
SPEAKER_04: I say, boy, let me be open-minded about it and let me think about it for a minute.
23:48
SPEAKER_04: Let me give it some thought.
23:50
SPEAKER_04: So I had to brainstorm for a minute.
23:52
SPEAKER_04: The first thing, my first challenge was um trying to make it fall off my tongue.
23:57
SPEAKER_04: How I gonna sing it.
23:58
SPEAKER_04: If I gonna use this word, obviously, this would have to be the chorus.
24:02
SPEAKER_04: This would this would have to be the hook.
24:04
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's the hook.
24:05
SPEAKER_04: So I had to find a way for it to flow off your the human tongue.
24:10
SPEAKER_04: So like thing, I started to play with that phrase.
24:13
SPEAKER_04: How that gonna flow off your tongue, boy, palance, balance.
24:16
SPEAKER_04: And just so sometimes God does do me these things when we are not trying to create it.
24:20
SPEAKER_04: They just give me a direct.
24:22
SPEAKER_04: He just inject it in my head.
24:23
SPEAKER_04: Immediately, I started hearing Roman trumpets.
24:29
SPEAKER_04: Like you know, and the emperor coming in, the king, and the trumpets and them songing off, like fan fear.
24:36
SPEAKER_04: I started hear it like that.
24:38
SPEAKER_04: I start to hear trumpets in my ear.
24:40
SPEAKER_04: I just do solo.
24:41
SPEAKER_03: I said, I put palance on the freezing I hearing of the Roman trumpets, which is palan.
24:58
SPEAKER_04: I said, I'll change them book quick now in my head.
25:01
SPEAKER_04: So I just tell him.
25:03
SPEAKER_04: You know, this is so you know soon, yeah.
25:06
SPEAKER_04: I just make it sure.
25:07
SPEAKER_04: I just make it sure, right?
25:08
SPEAKER_04: Brain up, brain up.
25:11
SPEAKER_04: And then I knock me punk to the idea.
25:13
SPEAKER_04: I'm really buying my room, eh?
25:14
SPEAKER_03: And I said I go, I said, I said, uh, probably onto something, yeah, boy.
25:27
SPEAKER_04: In my creative space now, I felt successful with that experiment one time in my creative zone.
25:34
SPEAKER_04: I was like, that feels good day, boy.
25:37
SPEAKER_04: I said, alright, I feel we could be onto something here.
25:40
SPEAKER_04: I called back Jason and I I told him, I say, yo, Jay, I feel I onto something here.
25:46
SPEAKER_04: I I feel in a direction I could go with it.
25:48
SPEAKER_04: He's like, true, you know, that's amazing.
25:51
SPEAKER_04: That's amazing.
25:52
SPEAKER_04: Good to hear that, brother.
25:53
SPEAKER_04: So just keep me in contact, you know what I mean?
25:56
SPEAKER_04: Stay in tack with me, let me know going on.
25:58
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I'm talking about let Blaze know going on.
26:00
SPEAKER_04: I think he had tell Blaze, you understand?
26:04
SPEAKER_04: So when it starts come out now, you see where it goes from the street.
26:07
SPEAKER_04: Well, I've seen it and knowing the song wouldn't be a good song.
26:10
SPEAKER_04: It's gonna be a good production, a good song, but I didn't know that classic thing, it's not good.
26:17
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the lengths it would have go.
26:19
SPEAKER_04: I didn't know the damage it would have done.
26:20
SPEAKER_04: Right.
26:21
SPEAKER_04: I didn't say no if it would be successful because I really didn't have faith in them giving in the industry, giving Jason and Blaze the respect.
26:29
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I guess the industry to make the song a big, big song.
26:34
Corie: If I remember it right, when I hear the first time, it's song decent.
26:36
Corie: It's take a while sometimes for you to read it.
26:38
Corie: Yeah.
26:39
Corie: And then the video comes and bill, and then because they had the morning show, now the parlance would start to push more.
26:45
Corie: Because man called when I remember when they was on on a Monday morning, people call now to say all the palans it over the weekend and it bill and bell and bill.
26:51
SPEAKER_04: So I tell you, from the probably from the third week in can't from after the release, it take over.
26:59
SPEAKER_04: I remember going to the studio one day in Carnival, about three weeks into the song release.
27:04
SPEAKER_04: And when I turn in my station in the car, every single station playing palance.
27:09
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
27:09
SPEAKER_04: At the same time.
27:11
SPEAKER_04: I couldn't believe it.
27:13
SPEAKER_04: It was unbelievable.
27:16
SPEAKER_04: I flicked, boom, palance, boom, red, palance.
27:19
SPEAKER_04: 9-6, palance, 105, palance.
27:22
SPEAKER_04: So it's all the urban I went on, slam, palance.
27:25
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, everywhere, everywhere.
27:26
SPEAKER_04: All the urban I went on, one, two, three, four, five, six, and everybody just playing palance.
27:31
SPEAKER_04: I went in the in the in the studio and just had a buy wrongs, everybody.
27:35
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
27:36
SPEAKER_04: That morning is when I realized, nah, boy.
27:38
SPEAKER_04: So at that point, you know his road match and so come on out.
27:41
SPEAKER_04: That morning, when I head playing on all the stations at the same time, I went in the studio and I just started buying drinks.
27:49
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
27:49
SPEAKER_04: I sort of buy every say yo.
27:51
SPEAKER_04: Tyson day.
27:53
SPEAKER_04: Tyson day.
27:54
SPEAKER_04: I went to road match went to ten.
27:56
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, you didn't.
27:56
SPEAKER_04: You had no other idea, I had no other idea.
27:58
Corie: Yeah, I suppose you come from a legacy or road match too, Daddy had most road match.
28:02
Corie: Well, how do you most road matches too?
28:04
Corie: I should probably ask you how you feel about that.
28:06
SPEAKER_04: Boy, we are still a road match family.
28:09
SPEAKER_04: I have a fan.
28:10
SPEAKER_04: The other day, Fian said, but I didn't want to loud she up there because big of the fan.
28:16
SPEAKER_04: I went to fan um um aerobics thing in the savannah.
28:22
SPEAKER_04: I went to sing my new song.
28:24
SPEAKER_04: Right.
28:24
SPEAKER_04: She had invited me, right?
28:25
SPEAKER_04: Giselle called me thing.
28:27
SPEAKER_04: I gone.
28:28
SPEAKER_04: But while I waiting to perform, she was on the stage.
28:32
SPEAKER_04: Her dad was there too, Super was there too.
28:34
SPEAKER_04: Galen there, everybody there.
28:36
SPEAKER_04: And she started to talk about um the Lions family, the road match family.
28:42
SPEAKER_04: They had the most road match between she, Super and Galen.
28:49
SPEAKER_04: But she shot one because Super had ten.
28:54
SPEAKER_04: Garlin have Galen have two.
28:57
SPEAKER_04: Garlin have two.
29:00
SPEAKER_04: That is twelve.
29:02
SPEAKER_04: And she has four.
29:05
SPEAKER_04: No, she has three.
29:07
SPEAKER_04: She has three.
29:08
SPEAKER_04: She has display, meet super blue and um get on.
29:12
SPEAKER_04: Right.
29:12
SPEAKER_04: That's fifteen.
29:14
SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
29:14
SPEAKER_04: As our family.
29:15
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, as our family.
29:16
SPEAKER_04: As a unit.
29:17
SPEAKER_04: As our unit, they have fifteen, and she is on stage feeling the people low.
29:22
SPEAKER_04: Saying that they are the biggest road match family in the country.
29:27
SPEAKER_04: So it's not the Montano Snyder.
29:29
SPEAKER_04: How much Montano's have?
29:30
SPEAKER_04: It's not the Montano Snyder.
29:32
SPEAKER_04: It's the Roberts family.
29:33
SPEAKER_04: Because my father has 11 and I have five, and that is more.
29:37
SPEAKER_04: 16.
29:40
SPEAKER_04: That is 16.
29:42
SPEAKER_04: I have five and kitchen have 11.
29:45
SPEAKER_04: Right.
29:45
SPEAKER_04: So, you know, I didn't want to loud she up.
29:48
SPEAKER_04: I went on stage after she said that, eh?
29:50
SPEAKER_04: But I say I will love she because she went and.
29:53
Corie: Well, she knows.
29:54
SPEAKER_04: She knows.
30:04
SPEAKER_04: I told her that on the stage at that event too.
30:06
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, serious.
30:07
SPEAKER_04: At that event, I guess she flowers.
30:10
SPEAKER_04: She knows girl.
30:10
SPEAKER_04: You used to worry me, you know.
30:12
SPEAKER_04: I tell you, boy, when I when I write it, so you I study it.
30:16
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
30:16
SPEAKER_04: Line goes so deep, but she's hearing it now.
30:18
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
30:20
Corie: Yeah, because I mean a run-on-road match with Marshall and with Patrice.
30:23
Corie: Where I suppose Fayanne is is top dog.
30:26
Corie: Feyana is.
30:27
Corie: I just tell somebody yesterday that people, I I I feel like people, the same thing you're talking about with younger people now.
30:32
Corie: I feel people underestimating who Faye Lions wasn't.
30:34
Corie: Like when I hear people talk about Fayanne now.
30:36
SPEAKER_04: Faye and stopped my first trip it.
30:38
SPEAKER_04: When I win my first road match was was um Baron Year, then Jumbi.
30:42
SPEAKER_04: And in 2008, when we was going for the trip it, that's when she came out with Get On.
30:47
SPEAKER_04: And I never forget going up the bus through today, boy.
30:49
SPEAKER_04: And them times Charlotte the Shepherd.
30:51
SPEAKER_04: Sharl and Umba.
30:52
SPEAKER_04: And when them fellas who want that tune, it's over.
30:56
SPEAKER_04: He doesn't know it from just the the the demeanor, the tone on the radio, and the hype and the energy.
31:03
SPEAKER_04: When Sharon and Umba hold on that tune, partner, it's gone, and you're hearing it from them.
31:09
SPEAKER_04: Them men started playing ghetto.
31:11
SPEAKER_04: And wave and pull it, wave and hold it, pull it, pull it, pull it, and Charlotte and Umba started hype up that brother.
31:19
SPEAKER_04: I feel sick going up the bus room.
31:21
SPEAKER_04: And I go in by boy.
31:22
SPEAKER_04: I go in by boy.
31:24
SPEAKER_04: Them events I was then.
31:27
SPEAKER_04: When I reached by MD, I say, boy, dead boy.
31:33
SPEAKER_04: Get on.
31:34
SPEAKER_04: No ball is a song.
31:34
SPEAKER_04: We song we had and blazing the trail.
31:37
SPEAKER_04: All right.
31:37
SPEAKER_04: From the top of the field.
31:39
SPEAKER_04: So when I go on my boy, I say, boy, we dead boy.
31:45
SPEAKER_04: That get on.
31:46
SPEAKER_04: I said, that get on is a problem.
31:50
SPEAKER_04: I say, yeah, boy, and here boy in a kitchen.
31:52
SPEAKER_04: You better hear your next song, you know.
31:53
SPEAKER_04: I say, I think in the same thing.
31:55
SPEAKER_04: And I started thinking I started bust my brain last minute now.
31:58
SPEAKER_04: Take your next tune to counteract this get on, boy.
32:02
SPEAKER_04: And I come with a good song, you know, but it was too late.
32:04
SPEAKER_04: Get on and done soaking too deep already, but gone.
32:08
SPEAKER_04: It's done gone.
32:08
SPEAKER_04: And then Sfian is a dynamic performer, too.
32:10
SPEAKER_04: So that's the next part of the puzzle, too.
32:12
SPEAKER_04: If you could perform your song, yeah, and you don't know she's Vic Queen, she could well perform.
32:18
SPEAKER_04: One of the best.
32:19
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
32:20
SPEAKER_04: That meets she proved that.
32:21
SPEAKER_04: She proved that over and over and over.
32:23
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, one of the best female performers.
32:25
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, best any performer.
32:27
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
32:28
Corie: Hold it, hold it, hold it.
32:29
Corie: You bring up some classics.
32:30
Corie: Let me talk about classics now.
32:31
Corie: Because I have, I mean, people go argue about what is your greatest works.
32:36
Corie: And it's gonna be hard to argue with Palance, it's gonna be hard to argue with It's Carnival.
32:41
Corie: But I want to talk about Jumbi, right?
32:43
Corie: Because Jumbi, and Marshall was say I was telling them about that.
32:46
Corie: I remember seeing them, well, Ole, because you was drumming in the banner that time too, right?
32:50
Corie: Ole performed Jumbi in a spot in St.
32:53
Corie: Augustine, boys, somewhere Carnival now started.
32:56
Corie: And when I see the arrogance on these two men's face, right?
32:59
Corie: Me and understanding his song yet because he had an outer body back to yourself.
33:02
Corie: I just feel weird.
33:03
Corie: I was like, what is what I'm talking about?
33:05
Corie: But I see you when he drums behind them, and I see Marshall, and them days Ole.
33:10
Corie: Tight Oli was linemen before, only those partners, right?
33:13
Corie: Before all the music and working together and think, but the way the way I see two older on that stage, I said them fellas know something I don't know about.
33:20
Corie: Because this song, I think there's not it.
33:22
Corie: What's your process with Jumbi?
33:23
Corie: How that comes about?
33:25
SPEAKER_04: Well, to be honest, honest, the first melody, I think we're ready, we ready, we ready.
33:34
SPEAKER_04: My partner from St.
33:35
SPEAKER_04: Lucia caught me in Lewis.
33:39
SPEAKER_04: He is a writer too.
33:40
SPEAKER_04: We was in St.
33:41
SPEAKER_04: Lucia and he was playing a song for me.
33:43
SPEAKER_04: And it had contained those lines there and that melody.
33:47
SPEAKER_04: We're ready, we're ready, we're ready, and he was going somewhere else after that.
33:53
SPEAKER_04: And three lines there, we ready, we're ready, ready.
33:55
SPEAKER_04: And he was going somewhere else with the song.
33:57
SPEAKER_04: But I'd always like it.
34:00
SPEAKER_04: I'd always like it, I'd stick in my head.
34:02
SPEAKER_04: So when I come back training, I'd keep keeping that, we're ready, ready.
34:07
SPEAKER_04: And I just started construct a song around that, those melodies.
34:13
SPEAKER_04: Right.
34:14
SPEAKER_04: I'd I'd find out the chords so they be ready.
34:17
SPEAKER_04: Which is the same four codes as Jumbi that end up being.
34:21
SPEAKER_04: Right?
34:22
SPEAKER_04: I find the chords and I pay them to be ready.
34:24
SPEAKER_04: And I just used to like to sing that, and that was just real nice to me, ready.
34:28
SPEAKER_04: And then while my creative gene just kicked in, and I just sat there, hands up, ready, band up, and the rest of the the rest of the pre-chorors just and hand up, just end up happening organically.
34:42
SPEAKER_04: Right?
34:43
SPEAKER_03: Ready for my say again, I I just create tank tongue.
34:51
SPEAKER_04: And I go on into my garbage now.
34:54
SPEAKER_04: I go on into my garb bridge.
35:02
SPEAKER_04: Right?
35:02
SPEAKER_04: So when I compose, I just composed with the chords.
35:05
SPEAKER_04: Right.
35:05
SPEAKER_04: I'll play piano and create my melodies, right?
35:08
SPEAKER_04: So I play on a dun dun de dun dun dun da dun de dun dun.
35:14
SPEAKER_04: Sometimes I might pop out a one word or two words.
35:25
SPEAKER_04: So I sing and gibberish all the way.
35:27
SPEAKER_04: With one or two little words popping up now and then.
35:30
SPEAKER_04: And um that yeah, oh da yeah, we actually was trying to do um we was trying to run back the block with Putrice and Marshall, Banner the Year.
35:42
SPEAKER_04: So we had a song named Um Lights of Love.
35:46
SPEAKER_04: Light of the Air, Light It Up, something like that.
35:49
SPEAKER_04: Right?
35:51
SPEAKER_04: And that wasn't going too good.
35:53
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
35:54
SPEAKER_04: I mean, Putrice was real kind of green in them days too, and boy was really looking for the real help from Putries to know.
36:00
SPEAKER_04: And you know, she didn't really have all that experience yet.
36:03
SPEAKER_04: So the song wasn't really taking off how we would all like it to take off.
36:08
SPEAKER_04: So I was, you know, being the professional I am.
36:13
SPEAKER_04: I watching that on the outskirts.
36:16
SPEAKER_04: And before Marshall even had to tell me anything, I was proactive on trying to get off another song.
36:22
SPEAKER_04: Okay, okay.
36:22
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
36:24
SPEAKER_04: Because when you get the success of winning a road match, you know, it's kind of like drugs too.
36:29
SPEAKER_04: We wear it again and again and again.
36:31
SPEAKER_04: So I trying to get a feeling again.
36:33
SPEAKER_04: So, and I watching the song what we had was hopeful about not getting the love that it should get because, you know what I mean?
36:41
SPEAKER_04: Boy and gang, all our help from Patrice and thing.
36:44
SPEAKER_04: And I say, you know, based on little inexperience and things like that.
36:47
SPEAKER_04: Early days.
36:48
SPEAKER_04: So I say, boy, I gonna this, this, this, right, this song I playing with in my head, I gonna try and materialize that and manifest this song.
36:57
SPEAKER_04: And I went in hard on it.
36:59
SPEAKER_04: You know, but I started to get words, but I couldn't find the word for Dundee.
37:04
SPEAKER_04: Seriously.
37:04
SPEAKER_04: And my gibbridge.
37:06
SPEAKER_04: I started get the all the other words was easy, jumping around like, like what?
37:11
SPEAKER_04: Like what, catch?
37:13
SPEAKER_04: What are we jumping around like?
37:15
SPEAKER_04: And I and I cannot find that word, boy.
37:18
SPEAKER_04: So it's real difficult to find that word, but I ain't gonna lie.
37:21
SPEAKER_04: And you know what happened again?
37:22
SPEAKER_04: My father gave me that word.
37:23
SPEAKER_04: I want to say kitsch gave me that word because true, true, true, true story.
37:28
SPEAKER_04: I was going to check boy again, and on my way up the road, I passed you St.
37:33
SPEAKER_04: James, and I stopped by my father's statue.
37:36
SPEAKER_04: Because I know that you say I used to ask my father a picture of a big picture in him.
37:40
SPEAKER_04: I used to ask him for money, and the money used to come next week, next week.
37:44
SPEAKER_04: It is after he passed.
37:45
SPEAKER_04: After he passed, Daddy sent some money for me now, boy.
37:47
SPEAKER_04: So go talk to the picture, money coming.
37:50
SPEAKER_04: Coming somehow, royalty, something, anything.
37:53
SPEAKER_04: Money just coming.
37:55
SPEAKER_04: Show wherever it is, right?
37:56
SPEAKER_04: So I used to go and talk to him and shit.
37:58
SPEAKER_04: Used to work out.
37:59
SPEAKER_04: So I do so and I go and I pack up my car right by the statue.
38:03
SPEAKER_04: I said, okay, boy, daddy, boy, writing the song, boy.
38:06
SPEAKER_04: I can't find this wood, boy, something like Dundee.
38:09
SPEAKER_04: Who would it send that wood from another daddy, boy?
38:12
SPEAKER_04: Please, I beg you.
38:13
SPEAKER_04: Swear to God.
38:14
SPEAKER_04: As I drive off from kids' statue, and I reach on track each field, and I'll treat it like reaching like by the oval, so by chowing them there.
38:23
SPEAKER_04: Dundee just started to resemble Jumbi just replaced Dundee.
38:28
SPEAKER_04: Jumbe in my head.
38:30
SPEAKER_04: I said, Jumbi?
38:31
SPEAKER_04: Jump so.
38:34
SPEAKER_04: I started singing it, we jumping around like Jumbi and taking the tongue like Jumbi.
38:39
SPEAKER_04: Come out of your cash, hey, I feel these it boy, all my pulse that I raised.
38:43
SPEAKER_04: It feels like it comes straight from the heavy, straight from my father.
38:48
SPEAKER_04: I couldn't believe it, boy.
38:49
SPEAKER_04: I know when I guess I feel in it as feel.
38:52
SPEAKER_04: I feel it in my belly.
38:54
SPEAKER_04: But a flies.
38:55
SPEAKER_04: I think this is a jumbie.
38:57
SPEAKER_04: And I think when I say, yes, it could be a little controversial and thing because the word, and you know what I mean with the boy.
39:04
SPEAKER_04: I gonna buy boy.
39:06
SPEAKER_04: And my boy Screws was there, no screws.
39:09
SPEAKER_04: Screws was there.
39:10
SPEAKER_04: And I actually had a song for ghetto.
39:14
SPEAKER_04: And I was telling Screws Screws, I had a song, and I was I was going to get to it.
39:18
SPEAKER_04: I never sing this for screws on nobody, yeah.
39:21
SPEAKER_04: Ghetto Flex here.
39:22
SPEAKER_04: God rest your soul.
39:23
SPEAKER_04: Ghetto Flex was my real brother too.
39:25
SPEAKER_04: And boy wasn't in the studio, boys were upstairs in the house.
39:29
SPEAKER_04: He didn't come down yet.
39:30
SPEAKER_04: But when you reach home by where he was living at that time, the studio you had to enter first.
39:37
SPEAKER_04: And the house upstairs.
39:38
SPEAKER_04: So I enter.
39:39
SPEAKER_04: I mean, studio schools don't say in the studio boy upstairs, boy.
39:41
SPEAKER_04: No, I reach theater.
39:42
SPEAKER_04: I don't say that and telling school that asking school's advice.
39:45
SPEAKER_04: I say, boy, I had this song here, but I still have to present it to boy or another song now.
39:52
SPEAKER_04: I had others too now.
39:53
SPEAKER_04: I had others, man, with plenty of writing in them days.
39:56
SPEAKER_04: But this jumbi now I just asked screws opinion on it.
39:59
SPEAKER_04: If I should sing it for boy, or if I should dig it or flex it.
40:04
SPEAKER_04: Right?
40:05
SPEAKER_04: Because as who in get to our tune.
40:08
SPEAKER_04: For about two years I wouldn't get to our tune.
40:10
SPEAKER_04: And he owned my back.
40:12
SPEAKER_04: So I say, I go a study to get to this jumbi, and now we get here, boy.
40:15
SPEAKER_04: Jumbi, who is that?
40:16
SPEAKER_04: And I set up Lady Piano in Boy Studio and singing for schools.
40:22
SPEAKER_04: Get to take that boy, you are crazy, man.
40:25
SPEAKER_04: That school started girl, like how you just give it, right?
40:28
SPEAKER_04: School started these schools.
40:30
SPEAKER_04: You mad boy, take, take, take, kid.
40:32
SPEAKER_04: You're a madman.
40:34
SPEAKER_04: You is a madman.
40:35
SPEAKER_04: Boy, you're a cold boy now.
40:37
SPEAKER_04: Schools run upstairs, cold boy.
40:39
SPEAKER_04: Boy, come down and I sing it for boys, so boy gone mad.
40:41
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, from Temmy.
40:43
SPEAKER_04: I said, Dick, Jumbi.
40:46
SPEAKER_04: Will you tellin me, kids?
40:47
SPEAKER_04: He see the vision, the same thing I see.
40:49
SPEAKER_04: When I hear it, Shim and I used to be real on par all the time now.
40:54
SPEAKER_04: Like we would always know it.
40:57
SPEAKER_04: Exact same time.
40:58
SPEAKER_04: And so when I sing it, when boy watch me so, partner, jumpy, will you tell me?
41:05
SPEAKER_04: Tim I'd say, what you getting at to get no boy get to the eye.
41:13
SPEAKER_04: Yes, you take it to flex all the time, all the time.
41:16
SPEAKER_04: Rest in peace.
41:17
SPEAKER_04: Yes, in peace get to get my brother.
41:20
SPEAKER_04: But boy, yeah, so you know.
41:21
SPEAKER_04: Certain times the real, the right jockey had to ride, um, ride out.
41:25
SPEAKER_04: 100%, 100%.
41:26
SPEAKER_04: If you had the wrong jockey, you might have the wrong jockey and the right to write us and the wrong jockey had to have the right marriage with them with them kind of songs on them.
41:36
Corie: Yeah, but that yeah, the stars are line because that's why I maybe I see it on all your face.
41:40
Corie: We come in and know you for a long time.
41:42
Corie: Yeah and it is not normal, right?
41:44
Corie: When you, like you say, you pick roadshow, you only pick songs.
41:47
Corie: When only see the crowd not responding to the song that you pick, or they know you're working the song, you're gonna be at task.
41:52
Corie: So I watch that in St.
41:53
Corie: Augustine when nobody responds.
41:55
Corie: I see you drumming, I'll never forget this.
41:57
Corie: You laughing.
41:58
Corie: And you're the man always relaxed and cooler.
42:00
Corie: I never see you out of sorts.
42:02
Corie: But the laugh you laugh, say, that man knows something, you know.
42:05
Corie: You know, the end of that carnival when it had black to blue them time, I believe.
42:09
Corie: It had some fet you to wear black and yoga.
42:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
42:11
Corie: And I see now the crowd standing up on the rest of the whole HD set.
42:16
Corie: They're not dancing, and Marshall says, Wally won't sing Jumbi alone, everybody say, Yeah.
42:21
Corie: Yeah, I remember that.
42:23
Corie: That Jumbi was all in Marshall Monday, too.
42:25
SPEAKER_04: I take over the place, boy.
42:26
SPEAKER_04: That dance, that jumbi dance.
42:29
Corie: The same dance I laugh.
42:30
Corie: I say, well, Marshall going mad for sure.
42:31
Corie: When I see him do that, out of body back to his and hear him only cool it, and I say this is not it.
42:36
SPEAKER_04: And that the thing with boy, you must never conk boy out.
42:40
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, people decide to conk boy out too early in the thing.
42:42
SPEAKER_04: Right.
42:43
SPEAKER_04: And that's be the same thing every year.
42:44
SPEAKER_04: He's good through that, and every year he just proved all of them wrong.
42:47
Corie: But this year you had to head to head with him this year with Uncle and um you had Carnival Birdie the same month before.
42:53
Corie: So we want to see him and Super come back together since Soka Kingdom.
42:57
Corie: You when you hear Uncle, you know, what was your feeling when you the first time I hear it, I knew it was a good song.
43:04
SPEAKER_04: I think I was so deep into getting Carnival Birdie to finish and song good too.
43:11
Corie: Right.
43:11
SPEAKER_04: That I miss I miss the warning signs in that song when you played for me first.
43:17
SPEAKER_04: The warning signs like, eh, this is it, this is it.
43:21
SPEAKER_04: I kind of them warning signs.
43:22
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I miss it.
43:23
SPEAKER_04: I miss it.
43:24
SPEAKER_04: The first time he played for me.
43:25
SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
43:26
SPEAKER_04: You know?
43:27
SPEAKER_04: He was trying to sell me, though.
43:28
SPEAKER_04: Right, yeah.
43:29
SPEAKER_04: Super Marshall.
43:30
SPEAKER_04: No, Marshall.
43:33
SPEAKER_04: Young co the first time he played for me.
43:35
Corie: Oh, you miss the signs and encore.
43:36
SPEAKER_04: I miss the signing oncore.
43:37
SPEAKER_04: Oh, I see, I see.
43:38
SPEAKER_04: First time Marshall played Encore for me.
43:40
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
43:40
SPEAKER_04: I miss the warning signs that this is the song.
43:44
SPEAKER_04: Right, yeah.
43:44
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so uh sooner or later I catch up on it.
43:49
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
43:50
SPEAKER_04: You know, well written song.
43:51
SPEAKER_04: You know, hats off to Jeffers and Neville and them, you know what I mean?
43:55
SPEAKER_04: Them fellas doing real good work.
43:57
SPEAKER_04: I'll happy for them.
43:58
SPEAKER_04: It's all about eras in this game.
44:00
Corie: I wonder what I'm talking about because that era thing is so like when I look at it, and it's just from talking to people here, you would see like there was a euro with precision, and then they are full blown doing the writing, and then when Mavon and them and and then there was a time where it feels like if Kitchen Marshall would be.
44:22
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
44:22
SPEAKER_04: Right.
44:23
SPEAKER_04: Where was the B will be.
44:25
SPEAKER_04: You know, only stars and already aligned, you know what I mean?
44:27
SPEAKER_04: If you believe in in that, where's the B will be?
44:31
SPEAKER_04: Then it's just to relax, buckle up, and enjoy the ride.
44:34
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
44:35
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
44:36
SPEAKER_04: I tell you that.
44:38
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, don't fight it.
44:38
SPEAKER_04: Don't fight it.
44:40
SPEAKER_04: Because this is all about eras and thing, you know what I mean?
44:43
SPEAKER_04: Everybody will have their time to shine and you know, portray your skill set and their craft and you know I mean, make it be broadcasted to the world.
44:53
SPEAKER_04: I with you.
44:54
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
44:54
SPEAKER_04: Everybody will have their time.
44:56
SPEAKER_04: When you get the opportunity, you have to be ready, you have to be prepared.
44:59
SPEAKER_04: I with you.
45:00
SPEAKER_04: Random question.
45:01
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
45:02
Corie: No good.
45:03
Corie: Sometimes people get the opportunity, opportunity, and they're not ready.
45:06
Corie: Yeah, of course, of course.
45:07
Corie: I mean, they're not prepared.
45:08
Corie: So an opportunity about we sometimes don't swing back around, you know.
45:11
Corie: Sometimes you have to pay attention, you have to pay attention.
45:14
Corie: Don't forget you could also reach out to us to advertise on the show and have your brand place here, anywhere here.
45:20
Corie: You could get your brand.
45:21
Corie: So don't just call to get on the show, right?
45:23
Corie: We'll call and get you on the show to we know you have big brands and you do great work in this country.
45:27
Corie: But don't forget you could also advertise with us to help support the stories of our countries and our region going out to everybody.
45:35
Corie: Help you out.
45:36
Corie: Just call your friend, don't just call David to come on the show.
45:39
Corie: And advertise, you know what I mean?
45:41
Corie: Pay, spend.
45:42
Corie: How are we going?
45:43
Corie: Which way are we going back?
45:44
Corie: How does it go?
45:44
Corie: Back this way.
45:45
Corie: Back to the conversation.
45:47
Corie: A man tell me you guys semi series.
45:48
Corie: When he first jumped in check, come you went and buy a semi-series immediately.
45:52
Corie: I buy that before.
45:52
Corie: Oh, alright.
45:53
Corie: And it wasn't a sem series, it was a five.
45:55
Corie: Oh, it was a five, alright.
45:56
Corie: Okay, alright.
45:57
Corie: Clean up all the time.
45:58
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I'm never here for big body BMW.
46:03
SPEAKER_04: Me and boy, me and boy, we did it nice.
46:06
SPEAKER_04: We did it nice, I must say.
46:07
SPEAKER_04: In them days, you know what I mean?
46:09
SPEAKER_04: We have kind of living the rock star life stuff.
46:12
SPEAKER_04: We have living like rock stars with your first smile.
46:15
SPEAKER_04: Helicopter to gigant thing, you know.
46:16
SPEAKER_04: Into the darden.
46:18
SPEAKER_04: I tell you, boy, nobody do it like me.
46:21
SPEAKER_04: I can tell you that.
46:22
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
46:22
SPEAKER_04: In the history of the gig.
46:24
Corie: When you see the UCD history different than plenty people.
46:27
SPEAKER_04: No, even back then we do it whether than men doing it now.
46:29
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
46:30
SPEAKER_04: Present.
46:31
SPEAKER_04: And I since I mean I lead the band since 2014.
46:34
Corie: Right, yeah.
46:35
SPEAKER_04: I was about 12 years ago.
46:37
SPEAKER_04: And you spent nearly 10 years with them?
46:39
SPEAKER_04: I spent like 10 years with them, yeah.
46:40
Corie: But before then was traffic, right?
46:41
SPEAKER_04: Before traffic, yeah.
46:42
Corie: Yeah, traffic was your first big ban you had games?
46:44
SPEAKER_04: First big ban.
46:45
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
46:45
SPEAKER_04: Well, in my story, I I I think I took a lot of leap of faith in my career, but every leap was a successful leap.
46:53
SPEAKER_04: All the way to the top of the of the mountain.
46:57
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
46:58
SPEAKER_04: And it was like God guide me all the way.
47:01
SPEAKER_04: That's the most I could say, because every step I take from dropping out of school, I drop out of school.
47:08
SPEAKER_04: Woodbrook.
47:09
SPEAKER_04: Woodbrook sec.
47:10
SPEAKER_04: I never do a day in form five.
47:11
Corie: Seriously, you dropped out in form four?
47:13
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I drop out to the end of form for a complete the whole of form for so.
47:16
SPEAKER_04: Right.
47:16
SPEAKER_04: Last days of school, a teacher tried to take my earring out of my ears, and he hurt up my ears.
47:21
SPEAKER_04: And we kinda fall out, right?
47:24
SPEAKER_04: School done, summer vacation now.
47:26
SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
47:26
SPEAKER_04: Everybody just line in to leave the school.
47:29
SPEAKER_04: We're gonna walk out the school school gate in a matter of minutes.
47:32
SPEAKER_04: You come with you know, you're over policing self to come and take my earring out my ears.
47:38
SPEAKER_04: And somehow we heading out, I mean it was real unnecessary.
47:41
SPEAKER_04: And I kind of kind of pushed them off and thing.
47:44
SPEAKER_04: Right?
47:44
SPEAKER_04: And I didn't want to deal with the headache of going back to just a deal with he and deal with all the cheap bush.
47:52
SPEAKER_04: I just decided, excuse me.
47:54
SPEAKER_04: I just decided I ain't going back to school because I think I had enough academic sense at the time, and at that time I already decided what I wanted to do in life, and I discovered my purpose, and I think I was ready for the world.
48:12
SPEAKER_04: I know I ain't writing it.
48:13
SPEAKER_04: Far from writing.
48:14
SPEAKER_04: But what spoiled me is What spoiled me is what started me actually is playing drums in my brother School Panorama side, Southeast Port of Spain.
48:26
SPEAKER_04: Whereas I go in Woodbrook.
48:27
SPEAKER_04: When I was in form two, he in form three, and he coming home and telling me about school panorama, he joined the school panorama side.
48:34
SPEAKER_01: Right.
48:35
SPEAKER_04: Right.
48:35
SPEAKER_04: All this time I already done have musical, a musical gift already.
48:40
SPEAKER_04: Because I done playing instruments and things home that I have home already.
48:43
SPEAKER_01: Right.
48:43
SPEAKER_04: Right?
48:44
SPEAKER_04: Self-taught too.
48:45
SPEAKER_04: So I don't have my gift and rhythm and percussion and druming and thing already.
48:50
SPEAKER_04: And I really expand on it in a professional manner with no ban or nothing.
48:54
SPEAKER_04: But from home, from home days, I'm a drum set.
48:56
SPEAKER_04: My father buys for me and thing, and we are real home, ban home.
48:59
SPEAKER_04: And I done have my skill set already, you know.
49:02
SPEAKER_04: Right.
49:03
SPEAKER_04: And when my brother is coming home and boasting about school panorama and his vibes and his skills in the pan yard and his thing and his drums.
49:09
SPEAKER_04: And I say, what?
49:10
SPEAKER_04: That's something real good.
49:11
SPEAKER_04: When my school does that, Woodbrook and no pan side.
49:15
SPEAKER_04: Junior pan right, school panorama.
49:17
SPEAKER_04: So I decide, boy, I go in and meet my brother.
49:20
SPEAKER_04: I walk in from school Woodbrook straight to Southeast Port of Spain.
49:24
SPEAKER_04: He goes and them used to use All-Star Pan Yard.
49:26
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
49:27
SPEAKER_04: So I go in a big boy pan yard every evening, junior school panorama um period.
49:32
SPEAKER_04: And I get pulling my brother in the band.
49:35
SPEAKER_04: I sketchy son.
49:37
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I in the band one time.
49:40
SPEAKER_04: So the first year I ended up playing scratcher.
49:44
SPEAKER_04: The second year, my brother, he likes the lime and thing too.
49:48
SPEAKER_04: He little we were doing already.
49:49
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
49:51
SPEAKER_04: So the looking for him to play drums, and he lime in quite only back by the bass.
49:59
SPEAKER_04: Like, you know, you like him a lie, but he's not very disciplined behind the instrument.
50:03
SPEAKER_04: Right.
50:03
SPEAKER_04: So it's time to, Christian, you're Christian boy, you're a Christian boy.
50:07
SPEAKER_04: So look, I tell you give me a chance.
50:10
SPEAKER_04: And I went and sit down, and I sit on that drum set, and after that, that was the day.
50:16
SPEAKER_04: I end up playing drums there.
50:18
SPEAKER_04: I take over from that one opportunity, I guess.
50:21
SPEAKER_04: I was ready.
50:23
SPEAKER_04: Well, with my brother, my brother don't in the backtracking girl and thing.
50:26
SPEAKER_04: I sit on that was a day.
50:29
SPEAKER_04: No turning back from day.
50:30
SPEAKER_04: Literally, it was no turning back from day because after that I that was my second year with them.
50:36
SPEAKER_04: And then I decided I need to inject myself into the industry more.
50:40
SPEAKER_04: How I gonna do that?
50:41
SPEAKER_04: I said I'll take advantage of my father's strength here, boy.
50:44
SPEAKER_04: The ban in the tent, calypso review, I go in different carnival and see if I can knock a percussion or something.
50:50
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, in the tent.
50:51
SPEAKER_04: In the tent.
50:52
SPEAKER_04: So I, um, in 1996 was my first year, I work in the tent.
50:57
SPEAKER_04: I was 15 years old, and I experienced in the nightlife for the first time now in the nightlife, playing in my father's tent.
51:04
SPEAKER_04: But I am going to school.
51:05
SPEAKER_04: I am in form three.
51:08
SPEAKER_04: I am form three in Woodbrook Sec.
51:11
SPEAKER_04: And I know, during the carnival season, have a night walk in the tent.
51:15
SPEAKER_04: And I want to do playing percussion.
51:17
SPEAKER_04: Right, right.
51:18
SPEAKER_04: Right?
51:18
SPEAKER_04: And again to play drums for daddy.
51:20
unknown: Okay.
51:20
SPEAKER_04: When daddy come on to sing, you play drums to play drums for he.
51:23
SPEAKER_04: Understand.
51:24
SPEAKER_04: The following year, 97, I do it again.
51:27
SPEAKER_04: I get to play drums for a couple more men.
51:29
SPEAKER_04: A year older now, a little more.
51:31
Corie: You say in the beginning it was more crazy and Answer and Douglas, and then men you was doing the percussion for it.
51:35
Corie: Just a few.
51:36
Corie: Yeah, just a few of them.
51:37
Corie: Right?
51:38
SPEAKER_04: A few.
51:38
SPEAKER_04: I'll say about four or five men again to play percussion for.
51:41
SPEAKER_04: Right?
51:42
SPEAKER_04: But that was good for me.
51:43
SPEAKER_04: I still in the band, alignment, thing, everything.
51:46
SPEAKER_04: I in the night life from small, the first to drop in me in the night because those days I live in Monktop.
51:50
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
51:51
SPEAKER_04: My father knows the first to drop in me home.
51:53
SPEAKER_04: And everything good.
51:54
SPEAKER_04: Again, pay.
51:55
SPEAKER_04: My first pay$700 a week.
51:58
SPEAKER_04: Was I rich in them days?
52:01
SPEAKER_04: $700 a week.
52:02
SPEAKER_04: I live in my mother's house.
52:04
SPEAKER_04: I was only 15.
52:05
SPEAKER_04: I know.
52:05
SPEAKER_04: Are you telling me?
52:07
SPEAKER_04: I have everything home to eat, drink, think.
52:09
SPEAKER_04: I don't spend no money thing.
52:10
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
52:11
SPEAKER_04: Every week I I must have like the following week, I like 500 still.
52:15
SPEAKER_04: Oh, money bumps enough money.
52:17
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, money bumps it up on you.
52:18
SPEAKER_04: So for that whole, let me see, back then could have been about six to seven weeks of carnival.
52:25
SPEAKER_04: Right.
52:25
SPEAKER_04: A tent.
52:26
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I nice.
52:27
SPEAKER_04: When it tends done, I'm nice.
52:29
SPEAKER_04: You say them teachers cannot talk to me, but I'm not gonna be able to do that.
52:31
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, man, tell me to think about error.
52:33
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I feel like I rich.
52:34
SPEAKER_04: I feel like I'm richer than them teachers at them.
52:36
SPEAKER_04: But I tell you, you cannot come and talk to me, boy.
52:40
SPEAKER_04: And on top of it, too.
52:41
SPEAKER_04: So here when that happened with me.
52:42
SPEAKER_04: The first year I play in '96.
52:46
SPEAKER_04: The last day of the tent, I nearly cry.
52:49
SPEAKER_04: First, I know this has to be my life.
52:51
SPEAKER_04: Right?
52:52
SPEAKER_04: I want to be a musician.
52:54
SPEAKER_04: I want to be.
52:54
SPEAKER_04: Well, I wasn't even thinking about artists or nothing in them days.
52:57
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
52:57
SPEAKER_04: Musician.
52:58
SPEAKER_04: I wasn't even thinking about no writing or nothing.
53:00
SPEAKER_04: Playing and ban.
53:02
SPEAKER_04: I want to do that.
53:03
SPEAKER_04: And when the last night of the tent, boy, I remember Eddie Collis, boy, he was a trumpet.
53:07
SPEAKER_04: You know, you was playing keyboards in the tent, in the tent band.
53:10
SPEAKER_04: Callis.
53:11
SPEAKER_04: I think callis, brother, used to arrange all-stars.
53:14
SPEAKER_04: I think calls.
53:15
SPEAKER_04: Anyway, I say, call this boy.
53:18
SPEAKER_04: Are you all sad boy?
53:19
SPEAKER_04: Well, young kids, I say, boy, I had a wait till quite next year to play in ban again, boy.
53:24
SPEAKER_04: We had to do boy to little ban I could go and playing boy, call this boy, set me up now, boy.
53:30
SPEAKER_04: I'm not boy.
53:31
SPEAKER_04: I know about our barn any.
53:33
SPEAKER_04: Um the barn name is Flabege.
53:36
SPEAKER_04: Right.
53:36
SPEAKER_04: Poison is the easy manager.
53:39
SPEAKER_04: Poison was an old captain of all stars as well.
53:43
SPEAKER_04: Go up, I'll come be street.
53:45
SPEAKER_04: You will see Flabberg, you tell me the address and thing.
53:48
SPEAKER_04: Ask a poison.
53:50
SPEAKER_04: Tell Poison his kitchen.
53:51
SPEAKER_04: You could play percussion, you could play drums, and you're looking for a little pull out.
53:55
SPEAKER_04: Here I'm not that banders walk, that banders do little gigs and things, you know, here and day for the Christmas, carnival.
54:01
SPEAKER_04: I think they even going on a tour soon.
54:03
SPEAKER_04: Is that a pan man or a brand?
54:04
SPEAKER_04: A pan side, the pan side.
54:06
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
54:06
SPEAKER_04: A small little you know, um, panners.
54:08
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
54:10
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
54:10
SPEAKER_04: It's just like panna.
54:11
SPEAKER_04: Panason.
54:11
SPEAKER_04: Right.
54:12
SPEAKER_04: A one bass, a one six bass, a two double seconds, a two tenor, a small side, now twelve fifteen.
54:19
SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
54:19
SPEAKER_04: But playing everything here real good.
54:21
SPEAKER_04: A professional combo.
54:22
SPEAKER_04: Thank you, David.
54:24
SPEAKER_04: Right?
54:24
SPEAKER_04: So, he tell me, tell them who you is.
54:27
SPEAKER_04: And the thing, I think they're going on tour two just now, kids.
54:30
SPEAKER_04: So that's a go do sticker.
54:31
SPEAKER_04: I said, Thanks, boy, call this boy.
54:33
SPEAKER_04: And I went day.
54:35
SPEAKER_04: I leave Mongto.
54:36
SPEAKER_04: I went Ash Wednesday, Tuesday, probably Friday after Ash Wednesday.
54:40
SPEAKER_04: I went and put myself in the ban.
54:43
SPEAKER_04: I went, I see poison, I tell Poison, I have to be part of this band.
54:47
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
54:47
SPEAKER_04: I was real detailed and real persistent, and I have to get through.
54:51
SPEAKER_04: All the stuff that you mean about me.
54:53
SPEAKER_04: So I raised June, July, August, September.
54:59
SPEAKER_04: Here comes September.
55:00
SPEAKER_04: No, October.
55:02
SPEAKER_04: I raised about four months with race.
55:05
SPEAKER_04: October, I go and down in the barn room, the barn room in Monk Lambert.
55:09
SPEAKER_04: I go on upstairs, had keys to the barn room, I used to go and make a real noise, just go upstairs and just pong drums whole morning and play, play along to live recordings and thing.
55:18
SPEAKER_04: I go on to do that in the morning and I see one of the band members, and he tell me, We're going, I say I'm going on practice.
55:27
SPEAKER_04: Sorry, you hear the news?
55:28
SPEAKER_04: I see what news.
55:29
SPEAKER_04: And a boy, Clyde said the band done there, boy.
55:32
SPEAKER_04: Clyde say he can't take it no more, where he race done there, boy.
55:35
SPEAKER_04: I see me can't take it no more, and a boy, the band ain't getting no money to pay the rent for the building and think thing thing, problems, problems, and I say they boy, crash boy.
55:43
SPEAKER_04: I say, how come nobody didn't tell me nothing?
55:46
SPEAKER_04: I'm hard seen as that, boy.
55:48
SPEAKER_04: I say a lie, but anyway, them days are no cell phone and thing, eh?
55:51
SPEAKER_04: They 97 I talking about, so you know, information wasn't passing as fast.
55:56
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you gotta see our man face to face, so it's uh home phone.
56:01
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, a home phone call.
56:02
SPEAKER_04: So me ain't gonna call or nothing, but my boy telling me ban crash.
56:08
SPEAKER_04: I say, you lie, boy.
56:09
SPEAKER_04: I feeling deflated here now because what I know do, I know I know simple.
56:14
SPEAKER_04: Like I had to go back and beg Flavia to take it to take me back in.
56:17
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
56:18
SPEAKER_04: I said, boy, let me go in tongue and check my uncle, eh?
56:20
SPEAKER_04: But he sees uncle Punell Green.
56:22
SPEAKER_04: He died a couple years ago.
56:24
SPEAKER_04: He's a man who used to be real behind me with my whole career from small and thing, big up uncle, rest in peace.
56:29
SPEAKER_04: I go on to check him in tongue to give him the bad news.
56:32
SPEAKER_04: Because as I say, he was like a one-two man of he used to give my advice, almost like a father figure too.
56:38
SPEAKER_04: When my real father couldn't do it for me.
56:40
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
56:41
SPEAKER_04: Right?
56:42
SPEAKER_04: So I go on to Uncle Punell, but and when I go on in tongue, I was looking to cross Shackles Street to go and check Uncle Punell, hear that story idea on Shacklin' Street.
56:51
SPEAKER_04: I see my partner, Mark, from Mark is a soldier who is a technician of traffic.
56:58
SPEAKER_04: Right.
56:58
SPEAKER_04: He's a technician of traffic, but he's a soldier.
57:01
SPEAKER_04: And he used to come and train me to march in Woodbrook Sec when I was in school.
57:06
SPEAKER_04: Sports Day, too.
57:07
SPEAKER_04: Sports Day.
57:08
SPEAKER_04: He trained in Wee House.
57:10
SPEAKER_04: And how he knows I could have played drums is I wasn't marching, but I had a gal in the march, in the march pass.
57:16
SPEAKER_04: So I had a girl in the march pass.
57:17
SPEAKER_04: So I stayed back from school to wait on shame.
57:20
SPEAKER_04: And I taking bucket and knocking bucket when them when they marching, knock, tuk, tuk, tuk, we is the baddest group.
57:27
SPEAKER_04: The cat talk to we.
57:29
SPEAKER_04: All the other groups are them still, and we because I knock in bucket and I gave a partner with a pan to knock that too.
57:36
SPEAKER_04: And I knocking down the road, right?
57:39
SPEAKER_04: And we think bad.
57:41
SPEAKER_04: So Mark, who was the instructor that used to come from the army for we house, he knows my skills.
57:47
SPEAKER_05: I understand.
57:48
SPEAKER_04: And he's a technician with traffic.
57:50
SPEAKER_04: So me and C is inside school things since March, March Pass, but I was so popular in the school, and you know, my attributes and things to the March Pass.
57:58
SPEAKER_04: So you know he remember me for sure.
58:00
SPEAKER_04: So when I I crossing the road, I see Mark, you know, hey, kitsch boy, we going come boy, pull me.
58:08
SPEAKER_04: I said, What happened?
58:09
SPEAKER_04: If my boy, you still playing drums?
58:11
SPEAKER_04: I say, if I still playing drums like you know, what drums to play right now?
58:14
SPEAKER_04: I know lost my work.
58:16
SPEAKER_04: I tell you, I know get the news.
58:17
SPEAKER_04: From now I get the news.
58:19
SPEAKER_04: I say I walk on the bus route riding in Monk Lambert and I say, boy, let me go in tongue and tell my uncle we're going on here.
58:24
SPEAKER_04: And I come in tongue and then I walk straight into Mark.
58:27
SPEAKER_04: Same time like a kid, you not.
58:29
SPEAKER_04: You telling me traffic looking for a drummer.
58:31
SPEAKER_04: I say, who?
58:33
SPEAKER_04: Traffic?
58:34
SPEAKER_04: Big bad.
58:35
Corie: Yeah, 97 traffic.
58:36
SPEAKER_04: So you telling me, boy, hey, I can't believe it.
58:39
SPEAKER_04: You telling me traffic, what drummer?
58:41
SPEAKER_04: I say, boy, get to link me up, boy.
58:44
SPEAKER_04: Yes, I playing.
58:45
SPEAKER_04: He said, How going on?
58:47
SPEAKER_04: Traffic in Miami right now.
58:48
SPEAKER_04: It's Miami Carnival time.
58:50
SPEAKER_04: Them in Miami and they're coming back to Wednesday.
58:55
SPEAKER_04: This was now Monday.
58:57
SPEAKER_04: This was Monday.
58:58
SPEAKER_04: Say things.
58:58
SPEAKER_04: Just take Andy number.
59:00
SPEAKER_04: Andy Joseph is the boss.
59:02
SPEAKER_04: Take the number here, call him, tell him who's your father.
59:05
SPEAKER_04: Tell him you could play drums.
59:08
SPEAKER_04: Tell him I link you.
59:09
SPEAKER_04: Right.
59:10
SPEAKER_04: Right.
59:10
SPEAKER_04: I follow the instructions.
59:11
SPEAKER_04: Wednesday, I come and buy my phone there.
59:13
SPEAKER_04: I'm just waiting patiently for the hour.
59:15
SPEAKER_04: Not for it to be too early.
59:17
SPEAKER_04: Bam! Call Andy.
59:18
SPEAKER_04: Everything will happen as you say.
59:19
SPEAKER_04: I tell him, boom, mm-hmm.
59:21
SPEAKER_04: He's catching a son, boy.
59:22
SPEAKER_04: So you're playing drums?
59:23
SPEAKER_04: I said, I say, yes, boy, I really looking fit right now.
59:26
SPEAKER_04: Alright, alright, something good.
59:28
SPEAKER_04: See you going on.
59:29
SPEAKER_04: Uh-uh.
59:30
SPEAKER_04: Tomorrow, Thursday.
59:31
SPEAKER_04: Come no my barn room in the morning.
59:33
SPEAKER_04: Come on in the barn room.
59:34
SPEAKER_04: Come out about 10 o'clock in the morning.
59:36
SPEAKER_04: Right?
59:36
SPEAKER_04: I say, alright, I can make that tell me the barn room is anything, you know, where you keep busy on you.
59:40
SPEAKER_04: She said, I know it is, I know it is.
59:42
SPEAKER_04: I went by working barn room already.
59:44
SPEAKER_04: I'll be there sharp.
59:45
SPEAKER_04: Well, I reach you about half past nine.
59:47
SPEAKER_04: I be waiting.
59:48
SPEAKER_04: Well, when you do so and he pulls up on things, so boy, frighten it.
59:52
SPEAKER_04: I ain't gonna lie, I'm sweating, but I'm cool, sweating, on my palms wet.
59:56
SPEAKER_04: I say, way, boy.
59:58
SPEAKER_04: I never know that be this nervous.
59:59
SPEAKER_04: Because I know this is the big life now.
1:00:01
SPEAKER_04: If I get in the traffic, yeah.
1:00:03
SPEAKER_04: I used to.
1:00:05
SPEAKER_04: Well, gone in the boy thing.
1:00:07
SPEAKER_04: It was the audition was real easy for me.
1:00:09
SPEAKER_04: I can't know how butterfly, but from the time I said on the drums, I was normal.
1:00:13
SPEAKER_04: Butterfly is gone.
1:00:14
SPEAKER_04: He just put on a percussion look and just raising the tempo and dropping the tempo and have me playing along to the speed of the stuff.
1:00:21
SPEAKER_04: But that was serious.
1:00:22
SPEAKER_04: Okay, I got you.
1:00:23
SPEAKER_04: He just wants to see me staying with the percussion.
1:00:25
SPEAKER_04: He just racing going down slower.
1:00:29
SPEAKER_04: So he just playing with it, varying the speed, up and down, up and down.
1:00:32
SPEAKER_04: I just sort of still lock playing habit.
1:00:37
SPEAKER_04: I just following here.
1:00:38
SPEAKER_04: You know, well, you're real good, boy.
1:00:39
SPEAKER_04: You're sticking with that machine, boy.
1:00:41
SPEAKER_04: And then he just leaves it at a temple.
1:00:43
SPEAKER_04: Plain out, plain, I'm here.
1:00:45
SPEAKER_04: I just had to play the tombs and thing.
1:00:47
SPEAKER_04: No, but what are the hell is this boy?
1:00:49
SPEAKER_04: Stop it.
1:00:49
SPEAKER_04: You know, boy, I never knew them tombs was working, boy.
1:00:53
SPEAKER_04: What the hell is this boy?
1:00:54
SPEAKER_04: He shutting up the drama from before.
1:00:57
SPEAKER_04: Man said, Well, you never know them thing was working, you know.
1:00:59
SPEAKER_04: I swear to God, but I'm serious.
1:01:01
SPEAKER_04: I serious.
1:01:02
SPEAKER_04: Bad boy, play again, but a bad boy.
1:01:04
SPEAKER_04: Thing, and he paid back one.
1:01:05
SPEAKER_04: I used to play a thing thing that's saying, you know.
1:01:07
SPEAKER_04: The following he turned to come back in the night for practice.
1:01:10
SPEAKER_04: Once again, I was broken.
1:01:12
SPEAKER_04: I couldn't go monk top and come back.
1:01:14
SPEAKER_04: And no boy had to stay in town.
1:01:16
SPEAKER_04: Consult mall at the time.
1:01:17
SPEAKER_04: Now I said go concert mall.
1:01:19
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, that's St.
1:01:20
SPEAKER_04: James, right?
1:01:20
SPEAKER_04: Let's say St.
1:01:21
SPEAKER_04: James area.
1:01:22
SPEAKER_04: I went up and I meet friends up in the back by by night running them up there.
1:01:25
SPEAKER_04: You know, nine running them up in the back of St.
1:01:27
SPEAKER_04: James.
1:01:27
SPEAKER_04: I go on up there.
1:01:29
SPEAKER_04: I meet friends with men up there and thing, and yeah.
1:01:31
SPEAKER_04: I killed time till six o'clock, boy.
1:01:34
SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
1:01:34
SPEAKER_04: And that was a long time to kill ten o'clock in the water.
1:01:41
SPEAKER_04: They mentioned like kitchen going home, boy.
1:01:44
SPEAKER_04: I tell them men no no boy, I weaken to do a reward, Sean boy.
1:01:47
SPEAKER_04: But anyway, in the night time, I do it, crack it one time.
1:01:50
SPEAKER_04: That time is Eddie Sean Kurut.
1:01:52
SPEAKER_04: Eddie, no, no shown yet.
1:01:53
SPEAKER_04: Eddie, Eric.
1:01:54
SPEAKER_04: Right now, showing and chester.
1:01:57
SPEAKER_04: Of course, yeah, nice.
1:01:58
SPEAKER_04: Candy was me there yet.
1:02:00
SPEAKER_04: There's three of them.
1:02:01
SPEAKER_04: Right.
1:02:01
SPEAKER_04: Eddie, Eric, and she won and chester.
1:02:03
SPEAKER_04: Right?
1:02:04
SPEAKER_04: Thinking when I meet them fellas and them boy.
1:02:06
SPEAKER_04: And I see Eddie and them, my Eddie the big goal and thing.
1:02:09
SPEAKER_04: Boys, little butterflies, but new voice.
1:02:11
SPEAKER_04: Fresh set of button, like new voice.
1:02:13
SPEAKER_04: When I come the first night, and I see things where she was Eddie was the more man.
1:02:17
SPEAKER_04: But Eddie and Eric.
1:02:18
SPEAKER_04: You know, she went, you know, she went fresh in them days too, and thing.
1:02:21
SPEAKER_04: But boy, I ain't gonna like real new first boy.
1:02:24
SPEAKER_04: But I crack it.
1:02:25
SPEAKER_04: Because when I sit on behind the kitters going to my element, and you know what I mean?
1:02:29
SPEAKER_04: All he knows is just subside.
1:02:32
SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
1:02:33
SPEAKER_04: Next thing you know, the ND will sell Andy telling me, well, drummy, you know, your full show is tomorrow.
1:02:39
SPEAKER_04: I say, what?
1:02:40
SPEAKER_04: My Arrow Sports Club, my full show with traffic the very next day, one day practice and throw into the fire immediately.
1:02:49
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
1:02:50
SPEAKER_04: I walk with traffic Friday and Saturday, two shows on the weekend.
1:02:55
SPEAKER_04: Get paid Wednesday.
1:02:56
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's back up.
1:02:57
SPEAKER_04: Getting paid Wednesday, it felt like a movie.
1:03:00
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
1:03:02
SPEAKER_04: From from get from that first show and then getting paid Wednesday one time.
1:03:09
SPEAKER_04: Going real cell, we will sell this Tuesday, Wednesday two.
1:03:11
SPEAKER_04: I in the barn now.
1:03:12
SPEAKER_04: I don't walk my first two shows already inside.
1:03:15
SPEAKER_04: We will sell this Tuesday, Wednesday, Tuesday.
1:03:17
SPEAKER_04: Go on with yourselves Tuesday.
1:03:19
SPEAKER_04: Nobody didn't tell me Wednesday's pay night.
1:03:22
SPEAKER_04: I know I do two shows.
1:03:23
SPEAKER_04: I ain't only expecting to get paid one time.
1:03:28
SPEAKER_04: You know, in an envelope.
1:03:30
SPEAKER_04: When you put yourselves done, nobody wasn't telling me the scene.
1:03:33
SPEAKER_04: I just pay, but when we come out of the barn room, I am and start to talk about the eagle landing.
1:03:37
SPEAKER_04: I see, what eagle landing means?
1:03:41
SPEAKER_04: Somebody could tell me what that means, please.
1:03:43
SPEAKER_04: My hell green in the check I fresh.
1:03:45
SPEAKER_04: What eagle landing means?
1:03:46
SPEAKER_04: Captain Trummy boy, the Eagle Landing words, pay boy, money in your pocket.
1:03:51
SPEAKER_04: I said, Oh, that would eagle landing mean.
1:03:53
SPEAKER_04: Nice it, Eagle Lin tonight.
1:03:56
SPEAKER_04: Eagle landing tonight.
1:03:57
SPEAKER_04: What?
1:03:59
SPEAKER_04: My first pay boy.
1:04:00
SPEAKER_04: When I get our first pay, I say from here.
1:04:03
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I guess after that was back from here.
1:04:05
SPEAKER_04: How long has the traffic in in?
1:04:07
SPEAKER_04: I was in traffic from um from let me say N 97.
1:04:13
SPEAKER_04: My first carnival in traffic was 98.
1:04:15
SPEAKER_04: Right.
1:04:16
SPEAKER_04: And my last, well I wouldn't say I didn't I didn't do the whole carnival.
1:04:20
SPEAKER_04: My last show with traffic was my first show with Marshall.
1:04:24
SPEAKER_04: Serious?
1:04:24
SPEAKER_04: That was 2005.
1:04:28
Corie: 2005.
1:04:29
Corie: So what caused the transition?
1:04:30
Corie: You was just moving on or just you and Marshall.
1:04:33
Corie: No, 2006, sorry.
1:04:34
Corie: Oh, so as long as that traffic was nearly 10 years too then.
1:04:37
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, 2006.
1:04:39
Corie: And you are youth or on traffic.
1:04:41
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I was a youth.
1:04:42
SPEAKER_04: I was running traffic.
1:04:43
SPEAKER_04: I was 17 years.
1:04:44
SPEAKER_04: I 17 when I joined traffic.
1:04:46
SPEAKER_04: I was a youth amongst real old men, all them fellas a season.
1:04:49
Corie: Especially with the whole band scene.
1:04:50
Corie: You might have been.
1:04:53
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
1:04:53
SPEAKER_04: 97.
1:04:54
SPEAKER_04: That year was Marshall First Road Match, Big Chuck.
1:04:57
SPEAKER_04: Right.
1:04:57
SPEAKER_04: Right.
1:04:58
SPEAKER_04: When I joined traffic in October.
1:05:01
SPEAKER_04: To the end of that year.
1:05:02
SPEAKER_04: Big Chuck and them songs, these songs that you want.
1:05:06
SPEAKER_04: Of course, of course.
1:05:07
SPEAKER_04: Big Chuck and all.
1:05:08
Corie: Yeah, in them days bands playing everybody's songs.
1:05:09
Corie: Everybody learn, yeah.
1:05:10
Corie: I guess you gain your 10,000 hours there.
1:05:12
Corie: I was gonna tell people who's tuning into this episode.
1:05:15
Corie: There's a book by Malcolm Gladwell called Outliers, right?
1:05:17
Corie: And use one of them outliers.
1:05:19
Corie: You should read that when you hear about the amongst hours you put in and all these.
1:05:28
SPEAKER_04: From them days, the late 90s, straight into you know more modern times.
1:05:34
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, or no, yeah.
1:05:35
SPEAKER_04: You see it changing.
1:05:36
SPEAKER_04: I see the change.
1:05:37
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I wasn't in the same tease and thing with firefly.
1:05:40
SPEAKER_04: But the thing is so funny, right?
1:05:42
SPEAKER_04: That you you said you know, too many brass and them band.
1:05:47
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:05:48
Corie: You understand?
1:05:49
Corie: No, but the thing is because of your household, you grew up seeing all the big calips and yeah, from small.
1:05:56
SPEAKER_04: Sparrow and pretty and them is my godfather.
1:05:58
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:05:59
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
1:05:59
SPEAKER_04: Like great.
1:06:00
SPEAKER_04: My god parents.
1:06:01
SPEAKER_04: Of course, of course.
1:06:02
SPEAKER_04: And so on a Sunday, my house will always be full with all them Calypsoonians and then coming to eat my mother cooking for everybody.
1:06:08
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that was part of it.
1:06:09
SPEAKER_04: Sundays.
1:06:10
SPEAKER_04: Lunch by Kitch.
1:06:11
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:06:11
SPEAKER_04: And it's a whole bunch of Calypsoans every Sunday.
1:06:14
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
1:06:15
Corie: So you span some of the decades, all them decades.
1:06:17
Corie: But so what was the move from traffic to eat?
1:06:20
SPEAKER_04: Well, just betterment in life.
1:06:21
SPEAKER_04: And you know, me and Boys at a line.
1:06:24
SPEAKER_04: Me and Boys at a line, and we just one of them kind of moments we was like, yo, you gotta really do put this together, you know, this kind of separation thing, yeah.
1:06:32
SPEAKER_04: It will be tough.
1:06:33
SPEAKER_04: I know.
1:06:34
SPEAKER_04: It'll be tough here to lead traffic, but it better just play together and done.
1:06:38
SPEAKER_04: We don't line in thing.
1:06:39
SPEAKER_04: You don't you don't give me a scannival already thing that you don't that's stupid?
1:06:42
Corie: Boy's carnival came while he was in traffic state.
1:06:44
Corie: Yeah.
1:06:44
Corie: Well then let me talk about that one time that I don't be everybody liked the story behind us.
1:06:48
Corie: Because one of them songs went number one on many people's lists of so.
1:06:51
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:06:52
Corie: And what's the origin story behind it?
1:06:54
SPEAKER_04: It's Carnival.
1:06:56
SPEAKER_04: Um oh.
1:06:58
SPEAKER_04: Well, you have to go to my girl Destra, my sister, who I love.
1:07:02
SPEAKER_04: My real, real sister, Destra Garcia.
1:07:04
SPEAKER_04: My sister.
1:07:05
SPEAKER_04: I love you, Destra.
1:07:07
SPEAKER_04: We too, me too.
1:07:10
SPEAKER_04: Diane, only two.
1:07:13
SPEAKER_04: I can't fight today, my real sister.
1:07:15
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
1:07:16
SPEAKER_04: Like real, you know, day for me when I need somebody to be there for me, and in in toughest times and thing, she's there with me.
1:07:23
SPEAKER_04: She's riding with me.
1:07:25
SPEAKER_04: I could never ever go against Desha.
1:07:28
SPEAKER_04: Right?
1:07:28
SPEAKER_04: Anyway, just to get out of the air.
1:07:32
SPEAKER_04: Working with Desha, the first year, well, Desha's and me, our career kind of kick off together.
1:07:39
SPEAKER_04: Because her first big song was my first big song.
1:07:42
SPEAKER_04: Whether we Trim Bullet turned, is it up?
1:07:44
SPEAKER_04: Trimblet.
1:07:45
SPEAKER_04: That was her boss song.
1:07:46
SPEAKER_04: Right.
1:07:46
SPEAKER_04: And that was my boss song as a writer too.
1:07:48
SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
1:07:49
SPEAKER_04: When I decided I'm in traffic, but you know, I just want to just spread my wings a little bit in the industry, you know, playing drums that are kind of regulated, kind of.
1:07:57
SPEAKER_04: You know, stagnant, playing drums.
1:07:59
SPEAKER_04: I didn't want to be stagnant.
1:08:01
SPEAKER_04: I wanted to keep going and, you know, spreading in the industry.
1:08:04
SPEAKER_04: So I decided I know I have a talent to write song and music.
1:08:07
SPEAKER_04: I just hear music in my head.
1:08:08
SPEAKER_04: But say you know it.
1:08:09
SPEAKER_04: I know it.
1:08:10
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:08:10
SPEAKER_04: I know I'm capable.
1:08:11
SPEAKER_04: Because I write in all my calypso in all in calypso in new tongue, boys.
1:08:14
Corie: I write bad memories, but I remember.
1:08:16
Corie: Yeah.
1:08:18
SPEAKER_04: I writing all them things.
1:08:19
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:08:20
SPEAKER_04: Till the thought one of the calypso's had win with my father had to come in school and defend it.
1:08:25
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
1:08:26
SPEAKER_04: Mr.
1:08:26
SPEAKER_04: Thomas was the principal.
1:08:27
SPEAKER_04: I don't even remember Mr.
1:08:28
SPEAKER_04: Thomas.
1:08:29
SPEAKER_05: 100%, Mr.
1:08:29
SPEAKER_05: Thomas.
1:08:30
SPEAKER_04: Kitch had to come to Mr.
1:08:31
SPEAKER_04: Thomas and defend it and let him know yo.
1:08:34
SPEAKER_04: He writing his own thing.
1:08:35
SPEAKER_04: Oh, you think is your father?
1:08:37
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
1:08:37
SPEAKER_04: I am not writing for him.
1:08:38
SPEAKER_04: I do even want him to think I saw.
1:08:40
SPEAKER_04: I sorry to hear that, you know.
1:08:41
Corie: I tell people all these years is your father writing it too.
1:08:43
Corie: You know, that was my way of taking all our lexicon.
1:08:45
SPEAKER_04: I writing nah nah Corey.
1:08:47
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:08:47
SPEAKER_04: Good books together.
1:08:48
SPEAKER_04: Telling you.
1:08:49
SPEAKER_04: I writing all my thing.
1:08:52
Corie: So, um, I was saying, but you say the traffic that writes and come back, you want to get back.
1:08:56
SPEAKER_04: I'm back into the spread my wings and write.
1:08:59
SPEAKER_04: So, then when I start writing, writing, writing, and then I get the opportunity to write for destroy through a ho on my chow.
1:09:08
SPEAKER_04: I started lyming by chow.
1:09:10
SPEAKER_04: Because Chow, me and Chow, Chow is my real brother too.
1:09:14
SPEAKER_04: Right?
1:09:14
SPEAKER_04: Also, everybody knows that too.
1:09:16
SPEAKER_04: Cho and I became friends through Chow coming and singing with traffic.
1:09:23
SPEAKER_04: When Chow comes to sing with traffic, you know, Chow and Ellie talking to every and everybody, you know, Chow.
1:09:28
SPEAKER_04: Still.
1:09:28
SPEAKER_04: You know.
1:09:35
SPEAKER_02: My father selective.
1:09:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the boss selected.
1:09:37
SPEAKER_04: The boss selective.
1:09:38
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:09:39
SPEAKER_04: Right.
1:09:39
SPEAKER_04: I was lucky that I was one of the guys he selects to talk to because, you know, you had to talk to the drummer.
1:09:44
SPEAKER_04: If it's one man in the barn, he goes one to talk to.
1:09:46
SPEAKER_04: If you are a little one drop away, you are a little this or that.
1:09:49
SPEAKER_04: It's the drummer.
1:09:50
SPEAKER_04: So him and I, you know, developed a relationship through him performing the traffic.
1:09:55
SPEAKER_04: Right.
1:09:55
SPEAKER_04: And he might go a little drumming.
1:10:00
SPEAKER_04: You know, the passport working again.
1:10:02
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
1:10:03
SPEAKER_04: And I he we started to talk.
1:10:06
SPEAKER_04: He started to talk to me, you know, but practice done.
1:10:08
SPEAKER_04: I come outside, he's still there.
1:10:09
SPEAKER_04: He might have been there talking with a juice man or somebody.
1:10:12
SPEAKER_04: Go Royke Barnroom right next to you on too.
1:10:14
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, everybody knows that.
1:10:15
SPEAKER_04: And everybody practicing it.
1:10:16
SPEAKER_04: All artists and musicians here on that block.
1:10:19
SPEAKER_04: So practice might have done a night, and I come out and Chow still lay.
1:10:22
SPEAKER_04: You know, he with a reels a little earlier.
1:10:24
SPEAKER_04: And time I come out, he's still on the pavement linemen.
1:10:26
SPEAKER_04: So, you know.
1:10:27
SPEAKER_04: I said, Boy, I don't know if you should talk to Chow, boy.
1:10:29
SPEAKER_04: Flock to me a little bit in the barn room and thing, you know what I mean?
1:10:33
SPEAKER_04: How they hit it open.
1:10:34
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:10:35
SPEAKER_04: The invitation open for a little conversation here, boy.
1:10:37
SPEAKER_04: I say, well, let me try my hand, eh?
1:10:39
SPEAKER_04: And I go, Oh boy.
1:10:41
SPEAKER_04: I think, oh boy.
1:10:42
SPEAKER_04: All been Robert's son, boy.
1:10:44
SPEAKER_04: And when he starts so, we start to talk and we just start to rap from there and we just develop a friendship that, you know, is still a real strong bond to this day.
1:10:54
SPEAKER_04: You know, I mean, he was when he men days for me too when my father passed away and thing, you know, he's there with me all in the hospital.
1:11:00
SPEAKER_04: You know, we we we friendship escalated really quick.
1:11:04
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:11:04
SPEAKER_04: In a short space of time.
1:11:05
SPEAKER_04: We ended up real strong friends.
1:11:08
SPEAKER_04: Right?
1:11:09
SPEAKER_04: And um he would invite me to come to the radio station and you know, he little studio.
1:11:15
SPEAKER_04: We had at the time Link up studios with um Lyndon and Ken Holder and Kirk Mitchell and Brian Morris and DC's Kirk Mitchell, Rest Your Soul, and Ricky Ramuta, Rest Your Soul.
1:11:29
SPEAKER_04: No Rockbird sing, sorry, rest your soul.
1:11:32
SPEAKER_04: God bless all the souls.
1:11:34
SPEAKER_04: Good fellas, boy.
1:11:35
SPEAKER_04: And I was David Chow and started doing a little writing with Chow and thing.
1:11:39
SPEAKER_04: And I'd write a song for Chow and Pelt, Pelt It Out.
1:11:42
SPEAKER_04: It was Pink Panther, Pelt, you're and do that.
1:11:49
SPEAKER_04: Seven days, my big chew from Chow Church, Splinter the place of that.
1:11:53
SPEAKER_04: That was the year after you had Moona Lisa.
1:11:55
SPEAKER_04: I think that was 19 um 99.
1:11:57
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's still in the 90s.
1:11:59
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, for sure.
1:12:00
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and you know, so I started to, you know, wet my foot with the writing and thing, with doing pumping with Chow, and me and Chow friendship developing and musical friendship developing and we doing things together and thing.
1:12:12
SPEAKER_04: And then now, because of being there and Brian there, I got the opportunity to work with Destro.
1:12:18
SPEAKER_04: And Chow and all was part of that, asked me to write song for Destro, Brian, and I came up with Trimblade.
1:12:26
SPEAKER_04: And I remember the night when we had to um sing it for Chow, present it to Chow.
1:12:31
SPEAKER_04: We're in the studio.
1:12:32
SPEAKER_04: I never forget.
1:12:34
SPEAKER_04: I on the piano, I singing.
1:12:35
SPEAKER_04: I mean I playing, Desha singing.
1:12:37
SPEAKER_04: Right?
1:12:38
SPEAKER_04: Desha done love the song already.
1:12:40
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
1:12:40
SPEAKER_04: We love it.
1:12:41
SPEAKER_04: And I can't love it.
1:12:42
SPEAKER_04: Brian, myself, Desha, Ricky.
1:12:45
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, link up.
1:12:46
SPEAKER_04: We love the song.
1:12:47
SPEAKER_04: So we're gonna present it for Chow now.
1:12:49
SPEAKER_04: He's the last man to just get confirmation and we're going with it approved.
1:13:01
SPEAKER_04: But when we done, Chow say, um I know you all want to have a big carnival, but um that's not the song.
1:13:14
SPEAKER_04: That song won't do it for you.
1:13:15
SPEAKER_04: Colonel, go back to the drawing boards.
1:13:18
SPEAKER_04: And trembled.
1:13:19
SPEAKER_04: Go back to the drawing boards, Colonel.
1:13:20
SPEAKER_04: That's not the song.
1:13:22
SPEAKER_04: I say, Well boy, I get deflated.
1:13:25
SPEAKER_04: I get deflated.
1:13:26
SPEAKER_04: I ain't gonna lie, I want it to hit chow, you know.
1:13:28
SPEAKER_04: I'm telling you.
1:13:31
SPEAKER_02: I wanted to hit chow, boy.
1:13:35
SPEAKER_02: I'm telling you.
1:13:36
SPEAKER_04: But I want to say, this song won't do it, Colonel.
1:13:39
SPEAKER_04: Go back to the drawing boards with a strict dean face.
1:13:43
SPEAKER_04: Get a dean face long time.
1:13:45
SPEAKER_04: Back to school.
1:13:46
SPEAKER_04: Back to school.
1:13:46
SPEAKER_04: Send me back to school with that one boy.
1:13:49
SPEAKER_04: I say, oh god, boy.
1:13:51
SPEAKER_04: When he goes on and think of the road and think, I say, well, well, the boy said I ain't good again.
1:13:55
SPEAKER_04: I think everybody gets inflated.
1:13:57
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, because they love it already.
1:13:58
SPEAKER_04: Deshaun them was persistent.
1:14:00
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
1:14:01
SPEAKER_04: And they went without me and do the song still.
1:14:05
SPEAKER_04: Oh, because Papi and them had love it too.
1:14:08
SPEAKER_04: Papi was also a factor because Desha was a royal cape that yeah.
1:14:11
SPEAKER_04: That's right.
1:14:12
SPEAKER_04: So Papi and them was a factor, juice and them, big up the juice still.
1:14:15
SPEAKER_04: Papi was your soul, but Papi is right cape, people is real.
1:14:19
Corie: Papi is right cape, juice was the musical director.
1:14:21
Corie: Juice was director, yeah.
1:14:22
Corie: Musical director, yeah, education.
1:14:24
SPEAKER_04: And juice and them had been leaving it.
1:14:27
SPEAKER_04: And they went and them went ahead and do it still.
1:14:31
SPEAKER_04: I think they do it by it's good, Trimble it, boy.
1:14:35
SPEAKER_04: I think is I ain't too sure, you know.
1:14:37
SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna check back on that.
1:14:39
SPEAKER_04: I wanna um fact check Trimble it production.
1:14:41
SPEAKER_04: But you didn't know.
1:14:42
SPEAKER_04: I didn't know.
1:14:43
SPEAKER_04: I went to Baroti.
1:14:44
SPEAKER_04: So you hear my done when we yes?
1:14:46
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:14:47
SPEAKER_04: Swear to God, I go on my dunes to Baroti.
1:14:51
SPEAKER_04: And I come and I'll never forget how day where I jump in my car and I look into my dones with the head back over the road.
1:14:57
SPEAKER_04: And I said, Yeah, brand new des show.
1:14:59
SPEAKER_04: They call it Trimbleet, Roy Cape All Stars, thinking, Yes, this year yesterday.
1:15:04
SPEAKER_04: I said, same thing you had.
1:15:07
SPEAKER_04: Exact same song.
1:15:08
SPEAKER_04: Exact same word for word.
1:15:10
SPEAKER_04: Hard lives and all.
1:15:12
SPEAKER_04: Right, word for word.
1:15:13
SPEAKER_04: I pull, I said, What the hell is this?
1:15:14
SPEAKER_04: I pull up, I side the road and I pull up anybody by daybreak day.
1:15:18
SPEAKER_04: And I seen, but all my pause is on.
1:15:21
SPEAKER_04: I wasn't upset or nothing, I was just so happy.
1:15:24
SPEAKER_04: I wasn't upset, didn't tell me nothing about it, none of that wasn't coming to my head.
1:15:28
SPEAKER_04: The only emotion was just happiness.
1:15:31
SPEAKER_04: I was just feeling overjoyed with something so good.
1:15:33
SPEAKER_04: And your song was.
1:15:34
SPEAKER_04: And he brought, but that, but I tack.
1:15:37
SPEAKER_04: And when I hear any production, I like, oh my God, hear this now, boy.
1:15:42
SPEAKER_04: But I get so happy by then he cry.
1:15:44
SPEAKER_04: I fly over the road and leave my phone home.
1:15:47
SPEAKER_04: I fly off the road and call the shun them and real big them up.
1:15:51
SPEAKER_04: And from the well, the song take off.
1:15:54
SPEAKER_04: The song take off and thing, right?
1:15:56
SPEAKER_04: So the song take off, she's gonna tour.
1:15:57
SPEAKER_04: We told her things with Papi.
1:15:59
SPEAKER_04: She's getting real forwards outside Canada, mashing up Canada with Trimblet and thing.
1:16:05
SPEAKER_04: The following year, we pop down 2002.
1:16:11
SPEAKER_04: We popped down in 2002, boy.
1:16:13
Corie: So they're looking to you for songs after ID team now.
1:16:16
SPEAKER_04: Gotcha.
1:16:16
SPEAKER_04: We get chewed with full big tune.
1:16:18
SPEAKER_04: Well, we make our money thing, we looking for more tune.
1:16:21
SPEAKER_04: And the next year we pop down.
1:16:22
SPEAKER_04: I don't song named Set It Off.
1:16:23
SPEAKER_04: And it never set off.
1:16:25
SPEAKER_04: Right?
1:16:26
SPEAKER_04: It never set off, boy.
1:16:28
SPEAKER_04: It was real kind of spawned on, boy.
1:16:31
SPEAKER_04: Like, God, boy.
1:16:32
SPEAKER_04: One good year, and I said, boy, dung in our hole already, boy.
1:16:36
SPEAKER_04: Hey, boy.
1:16:37
SPEAKER_04: And watching D trying to work that set it off and not setting our tall boy.
1:16:41
SPEAKER_04: It was real angle.
1:16:43
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:16:43
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:16:44
SPEAKER_04: Well, let's stick it out to the next year then.
1:16:46
SPEAKER_04: It's real kind of, you know, how you the sponge and just playing our cool boy.
1:16:51
SPEAKER_04: And I was like, way boy.
1:16:53
SPEAKER_04: Next year, I said, D, don't worry.
1:16:56
SPEAKER_04: Two let us bring me down.
1:16:58
SPEAKER_04: Let me keep pushing.
1:17:00
SPEAKER_04: 2003, I go get.
1:17:03
SPEAKER_04: 2003, I go work real hard and make sure you get something real solid.
1:17:07
SPEAKER_04: And she said, alright, let me see.
1:17:10
SPEAKER_04: She had a kind of low self-esteem in them days, eh?
1:17:13
SPEAKER_04: D.
1:17:13
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no.
1:17:14
SPEAKER_04: She really gained the juice that you could do.
1:17:15
SPEAKER_04: She always kind of dung, yeah, dung divide.
1:17:18
SPEAKER_02: You can't do that.
1:17:20
SPEAKER_04: I know she's doing it in reverse psychology to try and push me.
1:17:23
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
1:17:24
SPEAKER_04: But she thinking, I think.
1:17:26
SPEAKER_04: I say, alright, 2003.
1:17:29
SPEAKER_04: I think.
1:17:30
SPEAKER_04: I just decided to play with the foreign melodies, the pop songs.
1:17:36
SPEAKER_04: I want to believe I is probably the innovator that.
1:17:38
SPEAKER_04: I don't know if anybody ever does that before.
1:17:40
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's not something I was hearing a lot.
1:17:41
SPEAKER_04: I could tell it's not.
1:17:42
SPEAKER_04: Did anybody ever do that before?
1:17:43
SPEAKER_04: Like actually take a pop song on the whole melody.
1:17:45
SPEAKER_04: Do the interpolation.
1:17:46
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I remember.
1:17:47
SPEAKER_04: Okay, number two.
1:17:48
SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
1:17:49
SPEAKER_04: But I don't know, I just get the vibes to do it.
1:17:52
SPEAKER_04: I say, let me just try something and see.
1:17:54
SPEAKER_04: You know, them days, you know what I mean?
1:17:56
SPEAKER_04: So wasn't as prominent on the international scale and streaming and thing wasn't as prominent.
1:18:04
SPEAKER_04: I wasn't even there yet.
1:18:05
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
1:18:06
SPEAKER_04: So I say, boy, I go take a try here, yes, boy.
1:18:09
SPEAKER_04: I hell of Cindy Lopal song.
1:18:11
SPEAKER_04: It's Carnival.
1:18:11
SPEAKER_04: I mean, um, it's time after time.
1:18:14
SPEAKER_04: I hell of that song.
1:18:16
SPEAKER_04: And I won't see if I can just piggyback this and just sucorize it.
1:18:20
SPEAKER_04: You know.
1:18:20
SPEAKER_04: It takes some skill to do it too, you know.
1:18:22
SPEAKER_04: It's like Gibbridge in that too.
1:18:23
Corie: Gibbridge come up first and all that thing.
1:18:26
SPEAKER_04: Oh, you had it.
1:18:26
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I'd gibbridge in that too.
1:18:29
SPEAKER_04: Because still with the timing and thing, musical signatures of the song, I had to put that in four, four timing.
1:18:35
SPEAKER_04: It's still they still have a skill set to take a pop song and do the interpolation and make it into soaker.
1:18:42
SPEAKER_04: It's not as straightforward as you may think it may be.
1:18:45
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
1:18:46
SPEAKER_04: It have some technical aspect.
1:18:49
SPEAKER_04: It's some technical aspect to go in and make things phrase into soaker, you know, and get the right phrase into that will be appropriate for the project and all that.
1:19:00
SPEAKER_04: It has some work to do behind it.
1:19:01
SPEAKER_04: And I started in I started experiment.
1:19:04
SPEAKER_04: When I realized the experiment coming out good, I called D.
1:19:09
SPEAKER_04: And I said, D, think I have a real big song for you.
1:19:13
SPEAKER_04: And she said, wait, is that thing?
1:19:14
SPEAKER_04: And I said I played.
1:19:16
SPEAKER_04: Well, she knew one time we see Cindy Laura and everything, and she'll she was done for the experiment too.
1:19:21
SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
1:19:22
SPEAKER_04: And we didn't see no trouble or none of that.
1:19:24
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, she goes.
1:19:25
SPEAKER_04: We just decided that this song is real good, you know what I mean, and let me try it.
1:19:32
SPEAKER_04: But I told her, I say, but we need a big artist to sing it with you.
1:19:37
SPEAKER_04: I think so.
1:19:38
SPEAKER_04: If we get, let me still try a collab with our man and see.
1:19:43
SPEAKER_04: In them days too, collab wasn't even not a thing much too, right?
1:19:48
SPEAKER_04: We really went out on a leap of feet to do that, to be honest with you.
1:19:51
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:19:54
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
1:19:55
SPEAKER_04: And we say, boy, I say, let me try Bungie.
1:19:59
SPEAKER_04: Oh, Marshall.
1:20:00
SPEAKER_02: And she again, like, Deming, you want to sing with me.
1:20:05
SPEAKER_02: Demon, you want to sing with me, Marshall, sing with me.
1:20:08
SPEAKER_02: A young green girl like me.
1:20:10
SPEAKER_04: I say, girl, don't shall sell yourself short, girl, and never know boy.
1:20:14
SPEAKER_04: The power of the song.
1:20:15
SPEAKER_04: Lead that up to me, let me think.
1:20:17
SPEAKER_04: I remember we had co we had Ling Garland, you know?
1:20:20
SPEAKER_04: And for some strange reason it didn't work out with Garland.
1:20:23
SPEAKER_04: I can't remember exactly.
1:20:25
SPEAKER_04: I think it's timing.
1:20:26
SPEAKER_04: Right, right.
1:20:27
SPEAKER_04: I think it was probably timing why we can really lock it with Garland.
1:20:30
SPEAKER_04: But I think we had Ling Garland first.
1:20:33
SPEAKER_04: But I was all them time I had traffic, as I say, right?
1:20:37
SPEAKER_04: And we in Washington, you go and do a show in Washington, and we on the show, shockingly, surprisingly, we on the same show with ecstatic.
1:20:47
SPEAKER_04: That never used to happen so much on the road.
1:20:48
SPEAKER_04: Traffic and ecstatic on the same show.
1:20:51
SPEAKER_04: Very sure.
1:20:52
SPEAKER_04: Only time that it probably used to happen is Miami Carnival the big show.
1:20:56
SPEAKER_04: Cannibal Saturday night in convention center.
1:20:58
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:20:59
SPEAKER_04: Right?
1:20:59
SPEAKER_04: That the only time probably traffic might bounce up with ecstatic on the road.
1:21:03
SPEAKER_04: Because we're boying them so delete.
1:21:05
SPEAKER_04: Them not any the suffering parties.
1:21:08
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:21:09
SPEAKER_04: We in suffering parties, boy and them in D parties.
1:21:13
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
1:21:14
SPEAKER_04: On the traveling circuit, are you talking about?
1:21:16
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, with you.
1:21:17
SPEAKER_04: Only touring circuit.
1:21:19
SPEAKER_04: So Marshall and Ecstatic would not be on the same show with Eddie and Traffic.
1:21:26
SPEAKER_04: That will hardly happen.
1:21:27
SPEAKER_04: So we in not in the same caliber as them fellas and them at the time.
1:21:31
SPEAKER_04: And let me be real, it was facts is facts.
1:21:34
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, different band, yeah, different logo.
1:21:35
SPEAKER_04: We on our show with them, right?
1:21:37
SPEAKER_04: So this would have been 2002.
1:21:40
SPEAKER_04: Before O3.
1:21:41
SPEAKER_04: Right.
1:21:42
SPEAKER_04: So we on tour and we in the hook the hotel and I know Marshall and them coming out.
1:21:46
SPEAKER_04: Don't have the song already.
1:21:47
SPEAKER_04: Me and D don't talk.
1:21:48
SPEAKER_04: So this is this is post.
1:21:49
SPEAKER_04: Post on.
1:21:50
SPEAKER_04: I have the song, the channel, we're looking for artists to sing it with.
1:21:54
SPEAKER_04: And now Yeah, the bunji done in work out, so you're talking to Marshall.
1:21:57
SPEAKER_04: You get an opportunity now.
1:21:58
SPEAKER_04: I get an opportunity now to sell it to Marshall.
1:22:00
SPEAKER_04: Right?
1:22:01
SPEAKER_04: But me and he ain't so tight in them days.
1:22:03
SPEAKER_04: I know him.
1:22:04
SPEAKER_04: We meet a couple times before, but we no big friend yet.
1:22:07
SPEAKER_04: Right?
1:22:07
SPEAKER_04: But you know me.
1:22:09
SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
1:22:10
SPEAKER_04: Them days we traffic come in the hotel before them.
1:22:13
SPEAKER_04: And we waiting for them to come in the hotel now.
1:22:15
SPEAKER_04: And then I never forget seeing the big double decker touring bus just coming in the hotel car park.
1:22:21
SPEAKER_04: Well, you're gonna see that I get sick.
1:22:23
SPEAKER_04: I say, way, way, look at the bigger.
1:22:25
SPEAKER_04: Traffic wasn't in no big double decker, but boy, we not 14 of you not 12 seater.
1:22:31
SPEAKER_04: You telling me?
1:22:32
SPEAKER_04: 14 have you not 12 seater?
1:22:34
SPEAKER_04: Isn't that boy?
1:22:35
SPEAKER_04: Well, it's not toy, you know.
1:22:37
SPEAKER_04: It's torture, boy.
1:22:38
SPEAKER_04: It's torture and torment we used to go through.
1:22:41
SPEAKER_04: We paved the way for all them bands who had the knife.
1:22:44
SPEAKER_04: In them days of traffic.
1:22:46
SPEAKER_04: 12 hours, 14 seater going 12 hours to Canada from Brooklyn to freaking.
1:22:51
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, when you're going, you're going, you're out until.
1:22:53
SPEAKER_04: Boy, we yeah, you're touring, you're out there.
1:22:55
SPEAKER_04: Five, six months, you're out there living shit.
1:22:57
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:22:58
SPEAKER_04: And you have to kick the I-95.
1:23:04
SPEAKER_04: Everywhere you're going out there is drive.
1:23:06
SPEAKER_04: They don't have no money, just no ticket, no plane ticket for traffic, you man?
1:23:10
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
1:23:10
SPEAKER_04: We have to hit the I-95 and pull our U-hole behind and hit the road, old Jack.
1:23:16
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
1:23:16
SPEAKER_04: I'm telling you 12 hours from Brooklyn to Toronto every year.
1:23:20
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:23:21
SPEAKER_04: Twice we used to have to do that because we had to go to Montreal too.
1:23:24
SPEAKER_04: Montreal is about at 10 hours.
1:23:26
SPEAKER_04: Canada is about at 12.
1:23:27
SPEAKER_04: So you're driving.
1:23:28
SPEAKER_04: We drive in, 14 are we in a 12 seater?
1:23:31
SPEAKER_04: I used to say when the wheel well, you know, the wheel well thing and saying them van, them dollar van and them dollar van.
1:23:37
SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
1:23:38
SPEAKER_04: I used to be on the sat on the ground in that van.
1:23:40
SPEAKER_04: First, I just need somebody to stretch out my foot.
1:23:43
SPEAKER_04: The wheel well thing.
1:23:44
SPEAKER_04: I used to put my put my pillow over the wheel well thing to lead up corner, but it's all kind of thing, but you see the grey survival of the fittest, but you see the greyong pull up then now.
1:23:52
SPEAKER_04: When the greyong pull up, so you say, Way sir.
1:23:57
SPEAKER_04: When they're coming up like big superstars, I said, Lord have mercy.
1:24:01
SPEAKER_04: I the wrong band.
1:24:03
SPEAKER_04: I the wrong band.
1:24:05
SPEAKER_04: When one of them come out and thing the settle and thing thing, going by the pool and live, he grace no of them live.
1:24:11
SPEAKER_04: When they go out approach, yeah.
1:24:13
SPEAKER_04: You're the real best thing at the life was just just superior to everybody else, boy.
1:24:20
SPEAKER_04: There's just always superior.
1:24:22
SPEAKER_04: I can't lie.
1:24:24
SPEAKER_04: I watching that so I say, boy, I don't wish I can't.
1:24:26
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and you studying this song, you had to go and talk to you.
1:24:29
SPEAKER_04: I think, I think, I say, boy, shit that I go in.
1:24:31
SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
1:24:32
SPEAKER_04: Going up driving by the pool.
1:24:34
SPEAKER_04: I say, I'm a shell, young kids, man, boy.
1:24:37
SPEAKER_04: Thing, you're happy and thing.
1:24:39
SPEAKER_04: I say, Well, catch me in a good mood, boy.
1:24:41
SPEAKER_04: Right?
1:24:41
SPEAKER_04: And I do something, I said, boy, I have a song for you, boy.
1:24:44
SPEAKER_04: You know, a song for me, thing.
1:24:45
SPEAKER_04: I say, yeah, boy.
1:24:47
SPEAKER_04: I take a little piece of um time after time and assume the scene one time.
1:24:52
SPEAKER_04: And true, telling me right now.
1:24:54
SPEAKER_04: Thing, man, start to come wrong.
1:24:56
SPEAKER_04: Chris and all the partners and sort of come wrong.
1:24:58
SPEAKER_04: I said, Boy, me studying them, yeah.
1:25:00
SPEAKER_04: He's he saying one of them bitches and them, them um pool chairs like that.
1:25:04
SPEAKER_04: I started knocking it here so by your foot.
1:25:06
SPEAKER_04: And he rocked back on the tet.
1:25:08
SPEAKER_04: And I sing it so.
1:25:10
SPEAKER_04: That song is good enough.
1:25:12
SPEAKER_04: And liking that boy.
1:25:14
SPEAKER_04: And he called two children that was from the band.
1:25:17
SPEAKER_04: I think it was it was boy.
1:25:20
SPEAKER_04: I can't remember the keyboard's name at the time.
1:25:22
SPEAKER_04: The keyboard, so he called him, come on here, this.
1:25:24
SPEAKER_04: Sing it again for them naked.
1:25:26
SPEAKER_04: And when I sing it and think, all of them, nah, it wasn't just suit and I rester.
1:25:30
SPEAKER_04: I forget his name, boy.
1:25:32
SPEAKER_04: Anyway, when I don't sing it and thing, all of them saying, but this is just a bad eyes, boy, this bad boy.
1:25:38
SPEAKER_04: Thing and thing.
1:25:40
SPEAKER_04: And I still line me with him.
1:25:41
SPEAKER_04: And when he was leaving the pool, he's going in the room and he tells me if I want to come and line with him in his room too.
1:25:47
SPEAKER_04: The current continually line in the room.
1:25:49
SPEAKER_04: I say, whoa! I can align with him.
1:25:51
SPEAKER_04: What you telling me?
1:25:53
SPEAKER_04: I go on.
1:25:54
SPEAKER_04: I line me at you when we reach in the room now.
1:25:56
SPEAKER_04: He telling me, catch.
1:25:57
SPEAKER_04: I will you sing that song for me again, one more time.
1:26:00
SPEAKER_04: When you sing it for me again, yeah, you want from outside.
1:26:03
SPEAKER_04: Right?
1:26:04
SPEAKER_04: The time after time.
1:26:05
SPEAKER_04: Give me that one more time.
1:26:06
SPEAKER_04: You're really hear it good.
1:26:08
SPEAKER_04: And I sing it for me again, knocking.
1:26:11
SPEAKER_04: And he saying, boy, you're going on this song, this song bad.
1:26:16
SPEAKER_04: You're going on again my number.
1:26:18
SPEAKER_04: To give nobody my number, yeah?
1:26:20
SPEAKER_04: Ting.
1:26:20
SPEAKER_04: Right?
1:26:21
SPEAKER_04: I say, Whoa, boy, give me a number.
1:26:23
SPEAKER_04: I can't believe it.
1:26:24
SPEAKER_04: Whoa, take it and take in yours.
1:26:27
SPEAKER_04: Give me yours.
1:26:28
SPEAKER_04: Ting.
1:26:28
SPEAKER_04: We exchange numbers and thing.
1:26:29
SPEAKER_04: And he said, when I reach back trainers, we gotta talk.
1:26:31
SPEAKER_04: So we zoom, I will get a call.
1:26:34
SPEAKER_04: We go organize.
1:26:35
SPEAKER_04: Right?
1:26:36
SPEAKER_04: And thing, and yeah, we did follow up on it.
1:26:38
Corie: And all of a sudden he knows that's true.
1:26:40
Corie: You have you tell him the old plans.
1:26:41
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:26:41
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
1:26:41
SPEAKER_04: So cool it thing.
1:26:44
SPEAKER_04: And then um, when I tell him what that's short, you're not death shirt, that's sure a little whiley, yeah?
1:26:48
SPEAKER_04: But she could really sing.
1:26:50
SPEAKER_04: You can remember she had now come out and she really had a she really a little whiley at the start.
1:27:01
SPEAKER_04: But she could really sing.
1:27:03
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, let you go.
1:27:04
SPEAKER_04: You go do it.
1:27:05
SPEAKER_04: She looked good too, so we could do it.
1:27:08
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
1:27:10
SPEAKER_04: So, well, I tell any boy, if you think come to follow through and think Terry, Terry do it.
1:27:15
SPEAKER_04: Trinosburn at the time.
1:27:17
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
1:27:18
SPEAKER_04: Terry James and yeah, the SSS.
1:27:22
Corie: So no no knowledge in your mind that you're a classic.
1:27:25
Corie: You're picturing that in that way, though.
1:27:26
SPEAKER_04: I didn't know it would have been a classic.
1:27:28
SPEAKER_04: Then when I feel, when I feel is the um the turning the tide, so that song was on the road carnival Monday.
1:27:38
Corie: It's not a pick up real late.
1:27:39
SPEAKER_04: I think they're performing once for the carnival really.
1:27:41
SPEAKER_04: Once and that's so come on out.
1:27:43
SPEAKER_04: Alright.
1:27:43
SPEAKER_04: Then it's time to perform he busy, she busy, they not making time to perform the song.
1:27:49
SPEAKER_04: Right.
1:27:50
SPEAKER_04: Right, they they were on their own thing, boy doing his own thing, she doing she own thing, and they not coming together at all to perform the song.
1:27:57
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
1:27:58
SPEAKER_04: But it be for whatever reasons.
1:28:00
SPEAKER_04: Right, and for thank God they put the differences together and decide to do it for Sukhamonak.
1:28:06
SPEAKER_04: And Sukhamak night is when people kinda eyes was just open to hit no this song really bad boy.
1:28:13
SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
1:28:13
SPEAKER_04: Cause he had come on stage with a uh a mass of these guys and then he put it off and people realize, yeah, as I realized Marshall.
1:28:21
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
1:28:22
SPEAKER_04: And then the song just does so uh this song's so bad.
1:28:25
SPEAKER_04: That song just leaves the on the road Monday now, traffic is not playing it.
1:28:31
SPEAKER_04: You understand?
1:28:32
SPEAKER_04: Traffic not playing that song.
1:28:33
SPEAKER_04: And I mean, well, to be fair to them, nobody wasn't really playing it.
1:28:37
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, it pick up late.
1:28:39
SPEAKER_04: Okay, alright, it pick up late.
1:28:41
SPEAKER_04: But there's no of it we could have rehearsed it before they choose not to rehearse it.
1:28:46
SPEAKER_04: Right.
1:28:46
SPEAKER_04: Because carnival week now going back, um, so come on awkward would have been the Friday.
1:28:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's gig time.
1:28:53
SPEAKER_04: You need to rehearse some little song.
1:28:55
SPEAKER_04: You looking to rehearse.
1:28:56
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:28:57
SPEAKER_04: But we realizing a lot of song that we should have known to play on the road.
1:29:01
SPEAKER_04: Boom, on the road Monday, all the masqueraders calling fit.
1:29:05
SPEAKER_04: And Sfian song was the song.
1:29:07
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but Feen really had a number over the years, but she's a sort of thing.
1:29:10
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:29:12
SPEAKER_04: Displays the song and them masqueraders and them want to hear it's carnival.
1:29:19
SPEAKER_04: You know when we learn it's carnival on the road, right by the iFactor.
1:29:23
SPEAKER_04: Right by the iFactory.
1:29:24
SPEAKER_04: Just pull it together.
1:29:25
SPEAKER_04: Everybody knows what to watch me.
1:29:27
SPEAKER_04: Jummy boy! You gotta learn it, boy.
1:29:29
SPEAKER_04: Go.
1:29:29
SPEAKER_04: Andy.
1:29:30
SPEAKER_04: Right?
1:29:30
SPEAKER_04: Stop the band.
1:29:32
SPEAKER_04: Have no problem, boy.
1:29:33
SPEAKER_04: All the masqueraders, but we have the song boy.
1:29:35
SPEAKER_04: You gonna learn this boy?
1:29:36
SPEAKER_04: Jummy boy but help you, boy.
1:29:37
SPEAKER_04: And do you you producers?
1:29:38
SPEAKER_04: I said, I ain't producer.
1:29:39
SPEAKER_04: I said what I know the song, I got show lady cords and things, but yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:29:43
SPEAKER_04: We do it quick.
1:29:43
SPEAKER_04: Right?
1:29:43
SPEAKER_04: Only hodling, boy, hodling.
1:29:45
SPEAKER_04: And everybody huddling in the basement.
1:29:47
SPEAKER_04: If we come get a party on the road there, we have to take a pause and learn it.
1:29:51
SPEAKER_04: You see, we go use any little percussion sample from the any percussion pattern from the machine.
1:29:55
SPEAKER_04: Once it's working, you go with that.
1:29:58
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, carry it.
1:29:59
SPEAKER_04: You're gonna know that thing, everybody a quick little practice off the P8, take off the P8, practice it quick, and you take care.
1:30:06
SPEAKER_04: That's it.
1:30:07
SPEAKER_04: We go, let me go pony P and come on the road.
1:30:10
SPEAKER_04: I share everybody the parts quick.
1:30:13
SPEAKER_04: Candy had no it candy.
1:30:14
SPEAKER_04: Oh it was a debt all them time.
1:30:15
SPEAKER_04: Right, yeah, so she's gonna be a good thing.
1:30:19
SPEAKER_04: She loved the song, so she had knew it.
1:30:20
SPEAKER_04: And Candy started sing that dung the road and she went singing Marshall Parts, and that was it.
1:30:26
Corie: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:30:27
Corie: You just see that as another one that just goes from strength.
1:30:29
Corie: Everywhere now.
1:30:30
Corie: Like when people and I hear somebody describe it so recently.
1:30:34
Corie: If you had to tell an alien what is soccer, them songs coming up on the list.
1:30:38
Corie: Yeah, them songs.
1:30:39
Corie: Yeah, for sure.
1:30:40
Corie: Well, listen, I accustom seeing people here, Dread, saying we need our part too, right?
1:30:45
Corie: And usually, yeah, I don't sure if I always agree.
1:30:47
Corie: I say when a man comes back, he comes back.
1:30:49
Corie: But if it's our day, we have our part.
1:30:50
Corie: So this is the first time I ever telling the audience the full lesson thing we ain't talking about yet, right?
1:30:54
Corie: We are your solo career to talk about.
1:30:56
Corie: Yeah.
1:30:57
Corie: We talk about traffic, we ain't talk about HD days yet, and you and Marshall and that.
1:31:00
Corie: We ain't talk about you and Laundry and Zan and that friendship and all you're doing.
1:31:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:31:04
Corie: And you want to hear the lesson songs to the people who are saying the beginning, all your favorite songs.
1:31:08
Corie: What we talk about, Colonel?
1:31:09
Corie: We talk about Jumbi.
1:31:10
Corie: We talk about Palance.
1:31:11
Corie: We talk about it's Carnival, right?
1:31:13
Corie: Trimblet make it.
1:31:14
Corie: Yeah, we ain't talk about Bunny and Clyde yet.
1:31:16
SPEAKER_04: No.
1:31:16
Corie: We ain't talk about haunted feeling.
1:31:18
Corie: We reach nowhere near there.
1:31:19
Corie: No.
1:31:19
Corie: We ain't reach Patrice early days from Islands and them kind of songs.
1:31:24
Corie: No.
1:31:25
Corie: Banner the year.
1:31:26
Corie: No.
1:31:26
Corie: Well, for me, a man who's saying now he most road match in the world.
1:31:30
Corie: At a point in time, he was stuck on one enough.
1:31:35
Corie: You were stuck on one for a long time, and for me, banner the year.
1:31:40
Corie: We promise you know part two of it.
1:31:42
Corie: I ain't sure if you want to play thousands too.
1:31:44
Corie: We promise to have part two of it.
1:31:46
Corie: My brother.