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Staying in Our Lane with Carly & Evan · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Wedding dash Registry. This is the Ben and Ashley I
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  Speaker 1: Almost Famous podcast with on our radio. Hey guys, welcome
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  Speaker 1: to you Almost Famous podcast. It's actually Ben won't be
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  Speaker 1: joining us for a little while, but he will be here,
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  Speaker 1: I promise you. Until then, I have my friends, Evan
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  Speaker 1: asked in Carly Woodell on the podcast with me, We're
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  Speaker 1: going to talk about what what you guys are up
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  Speaker 1: to before we jump into recapping the Bachelor at You
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  Speaker 1: guys do a great job live tweeting in every week.
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  Speaker 1: I know that's like one of Evan's passions in life.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm happy to have you break down the episode
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  Speaker 1: with us um So, before we got on air, I
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  Speaker 1: was talking to them about wedding planning and how hectic
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  Speaker 1: it's it's been the past couple of weeks, because it's
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  Speaker 1: just the small little details and it's like, oh you
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  Speaker 1: forgot that, Oh you forgot that. And then Evans said
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  Speaker 1: it was like, and that's like having a kid, and
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  Speaker 1: how how is that? How is that? So the money,
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  Speaker 1: it's just like your wallet has got a hole in
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  Speaker 1: it and it just doesn't come back. It's like, Dad,
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  Speaker 1: can I have money for this and this and this
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  Speaker 1: and this and this and this, and then it just
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  Speaker 1: keeps going and then I just buy all the things
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  Speaker 1: for Bella. So yeah, especially when they're like extra crigular activities,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, you know, soccer, and then and you know,
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  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, it's like, you know, a hundred fifty
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  Speaker 1: dollars for soccer fee, that's not fine. And then all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden it's like, oh, but I need new
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  Speaker 1: cleats every single season. And then you're like, oh, this
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  Speaker 1: Disney Princess doll is cute. To get this one too.
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  Speaker 1: She doesn't have a snow wipe. She does have a Cinderella,
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  Speaker 1: But what's another Cinderella? Everybody needs to Cinderella? And how
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  Speaker 1: many times there's too many times to go to Disneyland.
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  Speaker 1: The lion does not exist. Oh see, I think the
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  Speaker 1: limon on Disneyland absolutely exists. What it's like once a year,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know, maybe I'm an adult, but every
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  Speaker 1: time you go with a kid, they don't appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: They just wine and cry the entire time and complain.
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  Speaker 1: And there's the lines, and the food is astronomically expensive
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  Speaker 1: and not you only get to ride two or three
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  Speaker 1: rides the entire day because the lines irrelevant, irrelevant. So
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  Speaker 1: you guys like you, you just enjoy it fully. Well
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  Speaker 1: I mean yes, yeah, I mean no, you're right about
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  Speaker 1: the rides you end up doing to actually right about
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  Speaker 1: everything you said. We just kind of overlook it because
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  Speaker 1: we're walking around with huge smiles on our faces, even
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  Speaker 1: if our kids are squirm and mad and need a nap. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but you don't do it for Bella. At this age,
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  Speaker 1: I can see you guys doing it for the boys,
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  Speaker 1: the boys that are are at a great age. No,
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  Speaker 1: we will show her these pictures until the end of time.
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  Speaker 1: Remember this time, we were such good parents. That's true. Though.
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  Speaker 1: I have pictures from when our first trip to Disney World.
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  Speaker 1: I must have been five and Larned was maybe two,
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  Speaker 1: and the pictures are adorable and they stay with me forever,
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  Speaker 1: Like I feel like I remember the trip because the pictures. Well,
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  Speaker 1: um does Bella like, can you see a reaction from
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  Speaker 1: her at this point? Like what she doesn't get like
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  Speaker 1: mesmerized by and what she doesn't well, it's mostly fear
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  Speaker 1: of the people that are dressed up in costumes. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we haven't done like the the big expensive things in Disney,
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  Speaker 1: which are like the lunches with all the princesses and
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  Speaker 1: things like that, because that's just we want to do
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  Speaker 1: that when she will remember it. But she likes it's
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  Speaker 1: a small world. And one day I made the mistake
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  Speaker 1: of saying, Bella, go and choose a princess plushed all
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  Speaker 1: off of this track, and then she chose like four,
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  Speaker 1: and I couldn't say no, don't go it at with
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  Speaker 1: a kid, don't say just choose have your way, because
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  Speaker 1: they will get them all. She totally understands that statement,
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  Speaker 1: go choose what you want. Oh yeah, only a year
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  Speaker 1: and a half, you guys. And Bella gets whatever she
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  Speaker 1: wants until she doesn't for right now. She gets whatever
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  Speaker 1: she wants that's durable, and she get preferential treatment because
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  Speaker 1: she's the girl of the bunch of You have three sons, Liam,
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  Speaker 1: Ensley and Nathan, and then there's Bella. She gets like
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  Speaker 1: all the special girly A treatment everything, yeah, literally everything.
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  Speaker 1: Those boys will do anything for her, mostly because whenever
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  Speaker 1: whenever they walk into a room, she like lights up
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  Speaker 1: and freaks out and like just it's just so happy
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  Speaker 1: to see that seals and it's like the cutest thing
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  Speaker 1: you've ever seen. We really need to get that on
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  Speaker 1: video somehow. That like her like high pitched squeal when
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  Speaker 1: she sees the boys walking the room. So that is
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  Speaker 1: so cute, so cute. Um, you guys, you have a
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  Speaker 1: couple of things going on, one being there's a new
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  Speaker 1: baby in Curly's belly. Oh yeah, it's moving around. You
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  Speaker 1: know the sex of that baby, right, yes, but we're
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  Speaker 1: Evan's keeping it hostage, the secret hostage. I know. So
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  Speaker 1: your guys were telling me at our Craton Barrel Bridle
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  Speaker 1: Shower a couple of weeks ago that Evan insists on
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  Speaker 1: having a gender reveal party just for the boys to
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  Speaker 1: have the boys witness had this gender reveal party yet no, look,
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  Speaker 1: does it ever going to happen? I don't No, it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't two weeks, I said a few weeks ago. It's
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  Speaker 1: probably like a month. I don't know that this is
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  Speaker 1: ever going to happen. But until then, I'm swarmed to secrecy.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. Maybe, why have you
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  Speaker 1: not made plans over for you? Plans I'm just waiting
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  Speaker 1: on permits and certain permits approval. I'm not even filming
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  Speaker 1: this thing. That's going to take freaking three different things
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  Speaker 1: people groups of people to approve. And it's just he
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  Speaker 1: can't do anything small or boring, said, you guys did
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  Speaker 1: witness maybe the most epic gender reveal what Jared and
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  Speaker 1: I did for Jade and Tanner on our reality are
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  Speaker 1: YouTube reality show What Now? You guys? Can you guys
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  Speaker 1: all listening can go and watch how Jade and Tanner
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  Speaker 1: found out that they were having a boy this time
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  Speaker 1: around on the show What Now? And Carly and Evan
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  Speaker 1: were there and Evan must have seen that and been like,
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  Speaker 1: all right, well I have to be this plain thing.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, you're right. We had to sign a lot
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  Speaker 1: of papers for that. Yeah. Yeah, you challenged him and
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  Speaker 1: he's taken the challenge. Actually, what do you think we're having?
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  Speaker 1: Obviously I'm not going to tell you yes or no,
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  Speaker 1: but what is your my gut as you're having a boy? O? Man,
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  Speaker 1: that's what you felt about Jade two? Yeah? I know, man,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Are you so strong? Un? I don't know. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we'll find out soon enough, I hope maybe gosh and
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  Speaker 1: less it comes out before we ever actually do this thing.
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  Speaker 1: I know November November is the due date. Yeah, November four.
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  Speaker 1: How is it with the second kid together rather than
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  Speaker 1: you know, the the first, Because are you like just
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  Speaker 1: more stressed and you more relaxed? You're less stressed, you're
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  Speaker 1: more relaxed. Do you do less? Planning? Is like the
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  Speaker 1: nursery not a thing? Oh yeah, it's not. I mean
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  Speaker 1: all of the Yeah, you have all the stuff from
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  Speaker 1: the first baby, so at least that's in there. But no,
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  Speaker 1: it just sits there. I don't know when that room
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  Speaker 1: will good time, or if it ever will I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean really, the baby is just like in the
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  Speaker 1: basse edent next year bed for like a year anyway,
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  Speaker 1: so you don't use that room for anything un till
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  Speaker 1: the baby is like one, unless you move it over early.
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  Speaker 1: Like just Instagram fodder at this day, like this day
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  Speaker 1: and age, like people just do like the full blown
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  Speaker 1: nursery show, like I care about my child, yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: I just can't. I care about myself more right now,
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  Speaker 1: Like that stresses me out. I'm trying to destress this pregnancy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's it's started out the same way as
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  Speaker 1: Bella is, like totally sick, so sick. But I'm feeling
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  Speaker 1: better now, um, which is really good. I'm twenty weeks
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  Speaker 1: this week, which is half away. I've made it to
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  Speaker 1: the halfway mark, so now I just gotta keep plugging
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  Speaker 1: along here. You guys, Carly is like the opposite of
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  Speaker 1: every pregnant woman. When she gets pregnant, she gets like
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  Speaker 1: skinny and she's just well, you're always beautiful, but like
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  Speaker 1: you are like a Bella bella vampire. This is why.
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  Speaker 1: Because I don't drink. The only reason I ever gain weight,
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  Speaker 1: it's not from eating, it's from drinking because I love wine.
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  Speaker 1: So when I'm pregnant and don't drink, there's no like
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  Speaker 1: and it's it's just been hard for me to eat
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  Speaker 1: because I've been nauseous. But I'm I mean, I did
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  Speaker 1: eat a whole pizza today, like wine more than food. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: that's mine boggling to me, not understand. Yes, I almost
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  Speaker 1: wish that's how I was. Yeah, I really love wine.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like it has my heart. And have you
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  Speaker 1: tried Caitlin Bristo's new one yet? If I was sitting
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  Speaker 1: in front of me, I would take a sip. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not that crazy, but I told her I'm very excited
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  Speaker 1: to try it. I hope that she came to the
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  Speaker 1: hospital last time, um when we had Bellas. I'm hoping
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  Speaker 1: she comes this time, and I'm hoping she brings some
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  Speaker 1: of that wine along. She came to the hospital. Isn't
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  Speaker 1: that so sweet? That is so cute. But she's like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Caitlin and Bees. It's just she's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: the best mom ever. I know. She has like this
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  Speaker 1: weird like baby since that when you don't have a baby,
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know how you get that. I did
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  Speaker 1: not have that she has this little squat thing that
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  Speaker 1: she does like instantly calms the baby down, and that
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  Speaker 1: I didn't I don't have I didn't have that. I
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  Speaker 1: still don't think I really have that. But Caitlin, she's
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  Speaker 1: got it. Man. Well, when I was on your podcast,
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  Speaker 1: Um Mommies Tell All, I was like super emotional because
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know if I have the
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  Speaker 1: mom Jeane like, I'm just not like I know, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know because when I it's because when I see
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  Speaker 1: Jared with kids, he's so natural with them. He has
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  Speaker 1: no worry or fear. I think that I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: break them. I don't want to make them cry. And
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  Speaker 1: Jade and Carly were so nice at reassuring me that
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  Speaker 1: this is something I haven't I'll really know it when
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  Speaker 1: I have the kids. It's so it really is so trick.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even like I had really bad fear upholding
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  Speaker 1: other people's babies and actually kind of still have that fear, okay,
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  Speaker 1: because that's my thing. I don't volunteered on other kids,
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  Speaker 1: and that's okay, Like what if you dropped them, It's
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  Speaker 1: very scary. If you drop your own kid, it's not
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  Speaker 1: as scary. Not that I just cry. It's gonna make
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  Speaker 1: me feel like they don't like me, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to feel unliked by a child. I gin that's
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  Speaker 1: the ultimate determinant of like your character. Right, Although babies
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  Speaker 1: cry all the time, actually babies don't cry when Evans around,
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  Speaker 1: which is super annoying. Babies crying I'm around. See that's
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  Speaker 1: Jaron and it's a mad thing. Well, it's also because
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  Speaker 1: Evan has a parental experience, that's true. But he just
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  Speaker 1: loves he loves kids, and he's like really good to
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  Speaker 1: be like I don't know, making the faces and like
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  Speaker 1: Aran does. Yeah, I can't do that. I feel silly.
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  Speaker 1: To make it happen, you have to make them happy.
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  Speaker 1: You have to like will it into existence. If you don't,
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  Speaker 1: if you don't have the dedication like I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: make this baby like me, then it's hard to do.
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  Speaker 1: And then was the only one who could combella down
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  Speaker 1: like at the beginning, Yeah, I just up. I was like, here,
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  Speaker 1: take my boob, and that's all I got. You have
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  Speaker 1: one other thing we got to talk about before we
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  Speaker 1: talk about the episode. You have a new jewelry line
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  Speaker 1: that's what's called and where people can get it. Reviver
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  Speaker 1: Jewelry UM and is with Jade. Jade and I started
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  Speaker 1: this and we uh have Ashley Amu who has her charity,
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  Speaker 1: the Shine Project, and she is our third partner. But
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  Speaker 1: it's really cool. It's UM. It's a jewelry line. It's
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  Speaker 1: five different words right now, UM on a necklace and
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  Speaker 1: the front says I am and the back says uh,
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  Speaker 1: five different words. But it's an empowering woman empowerment UM
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  Speaker 1: daily reminder of that you can just you can do it,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Like I feel like we tell ourselves all
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  Speaker 1: the time the negative things about ourselves, and we should
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  Speaker 1: be really putting positivity towards ourselves and towards gosh, everybody else.
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  Speaker 1: So it's good for yourself, it's good for a gift,
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  Speaker 1: and you can find it. I'm Reviber Jewelry on Instagram
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  Speaker 1: and it's just really pretty and it's super pretty. That's right. Shoot,
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  Speaker 1: was stunning. That was like the most I've ever felting
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  Speaker 1: myself and I were just talking about this the other day.
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  Speaker 1: I felt like moon goddess, warrior woman. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: that's what you looked like. You looked a man. I
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  Speaker 1: felt more myself than I ever had super dreamy and
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  Speaker 1: speaking of dreams, while you are on the podcast a
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  Speaker 1: couple of months ago promoting your album of lullabies which
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  Speaker 1: is up on iTunes called dream Train. Yes, man, this
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  Speaker 1: has been quite a year. I know you have so
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  Speaker 1: many things coming out. All right, we gotta take a
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  Speaker 1: break now and then we're going to dive into the
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  Speaker 1: episode before we move on. We got a little gift
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  Speaker 1: from Chris Harrison this week. Chris Harrison got something for
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  Speaker 1: Jared and I off our great and Barrel registry. Isn't
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  Speaker 1: that sweet? It's like the nicest, coolest, uh statement piece.
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  Speaker 1: Mirror is so awesome. I never remember we have to
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  Speaker 1: write him a little bit of a thank you, but
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  Speaker 1: it was really cool to get a gift from Chris
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  Speaker 1: Harrison from our Cretan Barrel Registry. I think I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: put it in our in the hallway. But Jared and
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  Speaker 1: I have been focusing a lot lately on our bath
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  Speaker 1: products from our Creton Barrel Registry. See, it's been a
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  Speaker 1: really stressful time with wedding planning. It's been all the
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  Speaker 1: little details and all the invoices. So having me time
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  Speaker 1: is more important than ever, So having that nice time,
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  Speaker 1: Like while I take a bath or a shower, having
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  Speaker 1: nice fluffy Turkish towels and like this nice expensive feeling
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  Speaker 1: rug and the softest bath mat makes my every day
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more enjoyable. Um, everything in our bathroom
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  Speaker 1: just looks like more presentable. So thanks to all the
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  Speaker 1: the um, everything in our bathroom looks so much more
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  Speaker 1: presentable because of the items that we've gotten from our
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  Speaker 1: Cret and Barrel redistry for our bathroom. Him, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: embarrassed anymore to have people feel like, where's your bathroom?
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  Speaker 1: Can I can I use your bathroom? Yeah, it's over there,
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  Speaker 1: what was your biggest takeaway from the episode? I have
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  Speaker 1: to that I really feel like we have to dive
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  Speaker 1: into you, but I want your opinions first. Um, none
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: of the men are listening to Hannah. That's my bad. Okay, Yes,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: because they continue with the drama. Yeah, I mean no,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: they're just like in these one on one conversations like
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: she's like, hey, I want you to open up, and
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: they're like, yes, I would love to open up. That
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: would be a great idea to open up. But then
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: they just don't. It's like, well, except for Tyler. I
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: think Tyler is doing it. But I was like, I
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: always like, I thought, this has been the best group
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: of guys since like Jared season, and now this week
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I was a little bit disappointed in them. You said
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Jared season, Now you didn't even include your own season. No,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: absolutely true, but you are actually correct. For all you
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: out there listening, if you don't remember, Evan was from
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Joejoe's season, I do think that Jojo season may have
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: been the most lacking in quality men in our recent times.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Tend to agree with that. Yeah, we got you and Wells,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: that's pretty good. Yeah whatever whatever. You guys are the
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: most like memorable people from that season, and you were
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: eliminated quite early on. I don't remember, I mean other
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: than Jordan and we all. I like Jordan very much,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: so we're not including Jordan in this. He was the winner.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: So you think that guys aren't opening up sometimes, I
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: do feel like that's like a very hard thing. I
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: want you to open up. It's like, well, what about
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: what it's like as specific questions and then people will
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: give you genuine answers. I agree with that. No, I
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: feel like they're more right now they're in that. I
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: just don't think anyone's like feeling it with Hannah. I
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: just feel like they're they're just sitting there and you know,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: sort of pairing back what they want her to hear.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: But they're having there's I just we're not getting a
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: lot of dialogue, real good dialogue on the screen right now.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's happening off camera, but I just don't like,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I just don't feel it, Like don't you feel like
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: every time every season when we get like serious one
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: on one time, it just feels like fluff and like
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: open up. And I feel like he opened up and
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, what do you mean? I want like
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: a direct question and a direct answer back. I feel
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: like the word if somebody said, actually wants you to
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: open up to me. Actually I've been I've been asked
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: this by a a non romantic character and bachelor history
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: in regards to me, Like he one time said like
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I want you to I want to know you. I
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: want you to open up and I'm like, I literally
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: have no idea how to respond to So how do
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: you want to know about it? Yeah? Like about what? Yeah? Yeah,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: there's so many things that we could talk about. What
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: do you want me specifically to talk about and then
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: we can talk about that? Yeah, Like like I want
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: to know about your dating history. It's like, okay, well
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I'll start from here, because yeah, there's a million questions
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: that could be asked, but none of them are being asked.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Like in the date with Peter the Pilot, you know,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: she was like talking about opening up, and just like
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Evan said, he was like, oh, yeah, I would love
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: to open up to you, Like opening up is like
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: the greatest thing to get to know someone. But like, honestly,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: there was until I mean the date at night where
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: he talked about how he had a relationship. He didn't
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: even delve deep into that. So I don't know. I'm
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: kind of like, what, You've got a fair point though, actually,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: I mean maybe that's just we're just not seeing it.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: But I feel like the idea of love is the
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: biggest what everyone's in love with right now. Okay, that's
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: that's it seems like I just feel like opening up
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: has become a bachelor cliche. And even if we get answered,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: like even if we see them open up, of course,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: we only get to see fifteen minutes of the date,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: and we know how long the dates actually are and
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: how you actually do connect on these dates, but you
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: barely get to see the best parts of them. I
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: just got word that we have been on the line.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Then everybody clause. Guys, I'm super pumped to be talking
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: to you. I'm sorry, I'm a little late. I had
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: to travel back to Indiana to my hometown to spend
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: the fourth of July. Here, we're both we're both on
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the in our hometowns for for a fourth of July.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: That's so sweet. Anyway, you're taking over pleasn't Then we
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: were just talking about the cliches of opening up on
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: the show. But we haven't really gotten into the details
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: of this episode, the steamy sauna make out between Hannah
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: and Peter. We haven't gotten to the naked bungee jumping,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: or of course, the Luke pe drama this week that
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: was really brought upon by the Garrett naked date. So
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: let's go. Let's let's go chronological order here and start
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: with the Peter day I think we all like Peter.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: We think he's a sweet Ben Higgins like man, I
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: feel like he continues to prove to be more and
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: more ben Like every week. There's just that boyish charm
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: about him, a genuine sweetness. He's very wholesome in Americana,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: and I definitely see him being the next Bachelor if
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: we if he doesn't end this thing with Hannah. What
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: do you guys think about that date? I want to
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: start this real quick. How does a guy? Now? I'm
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: a huge Peter fan. I think we all are. But
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: here is a unique dynamic that we see in this
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: show or in life in general. Peter is a wholesome.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: We call him wholesome. We think he's sweet. He should
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: get down in the sauna. Yeah, we might even refer
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: to him as like innocent. Yeah, he gets a sauna
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: scene and I still view him the same way, innocent,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: sweet and wholesome. How does that? What is that? I
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: don't no idea. It's his face and the way it's yeah, well,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't. I mean, he's sweet, but he doesn't
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: say much. He keeps it very like even Keel, So
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: there's nothing I don't know, Like if he said a
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: statement that was like, he's careful with his words. Yeah,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: he's good at choosing words. We just know that he
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: likes flying planes. Yeah, well he doesn't really like that.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: So let me be the devil devil's advocate for all
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: of us on this because I think this is an
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: interesting conversation and one that I wanted to bring up
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: this week. I step into this podcast at a time
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: where you all are talking about fluff and that you're
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: not really finding out anything about these guys. Because I'm
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: under the impression and I believe that on this show
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: you could make it for most of the whole experience
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: without ever saying anything of meaning to anybody. You can
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: answer around issues, you can say the right thing, You
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: can have a bunch of hour long conversations and act
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: like you care. At some point. That catches up with you.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Every season, it does, and it will. But with Peter,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: you're saying things like and and again I'm a Peter fan,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: but you're saying things like, he says the right things,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: He chooses his words carefully, he doesn't say a lot.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Isn't that what you're just complaining about where we're not
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: really finding out anything? But yet he is a fan favorite.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: You know what, I think, I insturation before. I have
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: explained the sprustation before, and I'm falling for it. I
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: suppose um, Carly and I totally weren't the people saying
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: the right things. We said a lot of controversial things.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: People didn't always like us at the end of the day.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: For the majority of Bachelor Nation, I feel like they came.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: They they had a liking for us, but it wasn't
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: like we got through easy. And I think we are
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: like people who I have to say, are kind of
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: fun and interesting to watch because we aren't always perfect,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: but we're never the most beloved, like the ben Higgins,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: like the Peters who do always say the right thing
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: and never mess up. It's a different kind of like yeah,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: and it might even open us up to I would
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: say that when you try to say the right thing
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: for long enough, you finally well, yes, you get boring.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: But you also when you do say one thing wrong,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: then everybody reacts in an over dramatic way. Right, So
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: we kind of have this thing in politics right now,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: right where if you say the wrong thing often enough,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: you stop caring and nobody really ever criticizes you because
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: they just expected out of you. But I would say that,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: for example, I told two women I loved them. That's
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: a big deal. Is it should be a big deal.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: People should react to that, But it's not the biggest deal.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: We see it almost every season now. We know that
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: most people are feeling it. But I think because the
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: line of the line was set so far on the
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: other side of doing anything wrong, that when you finally
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: do anything controversial, everybody erupts in a more dramatic way.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Would you guys agree as we did? You want us
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: to go opposite? You know we're good, we can agree. Hey,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I want to walk us through a few things here
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna pass it off to you guys
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: to kind of lead us to the rest. I have
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: a few things that I'm really passionate about, and because
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: I'm late, I'm just gonna take this over because um
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: that's what I do. I guess, um I walk into
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: conversation once again. You guys a talking about fluff. Here
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: is my, uh my strongest opinion from this episode. Garrett
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: has yet to tell me anything of meaning through the
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: whole season. He talks about others. He does it as much,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: if not more than Luke. He seems to be very
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: caught up in that he can say the right thing
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: at the right moment. He's standing naked with Hannah bungee jumping.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: That's the easiest day in the history of that Bachelor
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: world to ever do well, Like, how are you going
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: to do that wrong? Just don't look at her too often,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: don't say anything sexist, or don't say anything too weird.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Hold er tight and jump out of this thing. I
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: got to interrupt you. That is so much different for
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: a guy. We have to talk about the appropriateness of
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: this date. Okay, I have can I can we go
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: into it? Of course? Okay. So I would never be
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: okay with being naked on a date where I still
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: had other guys in the competition. Actually, I would never
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: be okay being naked unless I was like dating the guy.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Actually dates. They tried to make me be naked for
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: in my best Yes, the days Crystals, trying to make
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: me be naked, the day with Evan when we painted
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: try to make me be naked. They're always trying to
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: make me be naked. There's nothing more liberating than having
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: sex on camera. By the way, there this happened and
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: we didn't know about it didn't you know, you know,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: you know, secret in one of the boom boom rooms
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: right in my bedroom smiling. I remember currently talking about
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: that sex session. But they try to make people do it.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: It's just a matter of if you'll do it or not.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: So Hannah went on Instagram story last night and she said,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: I have something very secret to let you guys in on.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, underwear on Yes, okay, I knew it. I
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: knew it too, But then they really played tricks with
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: the camera. Well they didn't show that area though. They
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: showed her upper area but not yeah, but they were
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: trying to show like high thigh on both of them
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: to show that there wasn't any underwear. They're They're good.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: They are good. All I can think about. We've had
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: these conversations before and and Evan, I need you to
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: join in here because this is an area and expertise expertise.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I was watching this and I had two thoughts. One
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: is I don't love because I've been in this situation
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: that it felt to me. Now I'm on the side
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: of of most of the probably the normal men in
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: the world that say, Hannah, do what you want to do,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: like this is your deal, you're dating these guys, have fun,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: go wild, get naked for me and and I think
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: we've talked about the podcast before. I don't mind being naked.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I think it's a fantastic, liberating experience. I don't think
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: i'd ever want to do it on television, just for
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: multiple reasons. It's not it wouldn't be something i'd feel
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: probably comfortable with or what I really want to respond to.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: So two thoughts. One is, I don't love how the
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: show made it seem like she was shocked and surprised
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: by them being naked, and it felt like we were
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: pushing her in the into a corner of are you
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: going to get naked or not? I don't love that
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: that that made me very uncomfortable. The second thought, and
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: then I'll let you guys respond, is if I'm Garrett
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: and I'm dating my girlfriend and she's naked in front
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: of me and we're making out up close and personal,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: the things that are gonna happen on really your first
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: date are incredibly uncomfortable, Like I don't want like that
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: is really crossing the line, Like as a man, I
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: don't want my first date to be that intimate. Am
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I wrong? Oh? Heck, now I feel very I feel
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: very uncomfortable with with the date. I don't even get naked,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: and like spas and like the sauna. Yeah yeah, I'll
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, there's naked women in here.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: That's so crazy. I can't believe everybody so comfortable getting naked.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I always been, I know, I don't know.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I just have always been very private. I grew up
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: with a mom who never showed me her boobies or
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: anything like that. So no, I was raised extremely like
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: conservative as well. And you're, dude, it's so different. It's
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: different for girls and boys. We have more parts. You're
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: totally right. You're totally right. And it's not because it's
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: not I'm not body positive. It's not because like I
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: don't like love my body. I actually have never had
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: body image issues. It's just a private area for me, truly. Yeah,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: I totally agree. I totally agree that it's different for
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: a man and a woman. But there is one thing
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: that a man has that a woman doesn't. And you
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: can tell when we're excited or not. But do you think,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: like maybe he didn't get as excited because he also
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: was kind of scared to jump off that never would
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: stop me. It was amazing, though, what about that it was?
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I think maybe it Evan, How does it work if
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: it's cold and there's fear. Could it not? He knows?
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, like two cameras around in the coldness. Probably
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: did not. He probably did not get it off. I
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: mean it's totally unlikely. So the positive to all of it,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: because that's okay, let's get it close up. The positive
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: all of this. And I do agree with this moment.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Is there sitting at dinner that night and and he
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: says something and she agrees, he goes, I feel like
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: we connected and this is a very intimate day for us,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: and we've connected more today than I ever thought we could.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I agree with that. That is one thing that you know,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: letting your guard down, you know, doing something like this
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: that's wild, that's crazy that you're both gonna laugh at.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: And they did well laughing at it, and it's like
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: having a good time. I do think it brought them
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: closer together. But I'd like to then hear from your
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: opinions on what like, as a response, did Garrett do
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: anything actually on this date to impress you? I think
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: bungee jumping in general is going to get you closer.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think the naked part really had much to
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: do with it. I don't what were you going to say?
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: You know, they're at the dinner. I was a little
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: perturbed because she's she opened up and I can't remember
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: what it was about she was she was sharing. She
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: really was like talking about being heard or something and
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: how hard it was. And then he just turned around
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: and flipped it back and made it about him, like
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: he literally didn't even say he was like, oh, that's
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: cool and me and I feel like we're getting a
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: lot of that from some of the guys or it's
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: like just switches it right back right back to them
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: to talk about them. Definitely become less likable in the
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: past couple of weeks. Yes, yeah, And I'm surprised you
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: guys say that because I watched this episode and I thought,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: based on my limited minute experiences, the fans and the
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: people are going to react in a positive way towards Garrett.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: He's going to become more likable from this date, probably
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: especially since he's the you know, the good guy going
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: against Luke. You know, I mean, that's so he is
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: going to get more like but you know from a
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: relationship perspective, purely with Hannah, because you know, that's why
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: we're here. It's like, I feel like that's why we're here.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have a chance in Hannah. I don't know.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I feel like he's not the good guy against Luke.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I think the good guys against Luke are the ones
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: that aren't talking about Luke at this point. No, I agree.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I'm saying what people will perceive people. Everyone will think, oh, yes,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: go get Luke, take him down. But it was like
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: creepy when he said that one thing when he was
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: walking on the door, like sleep, well, that was just
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: yourself a creep oh man, Like that was weird. Oh man.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: It was a great line, though, a great creepy line.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: It was a great creepy lie. It was like a
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Kelsey Poe line. Yeah, all right, we have to let
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Carly and Evan go, which is so sad. Well, busy people.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: I could talk about this all day long. He could.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: It's true. Thanks for having us on, guys, thank you
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: for coming on, and we will have you back before
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the end of the season because you guys are great recappers.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: You have such a passion to you. Sweet Ben can't
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: wait to hanging Nashville. Dude, I'm there all the time
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: noways by Hey Ashley. If if your skin is gonna
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: be on television but naked, you might want to make
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: sure it's clear. That is a really good point. And
• 34:38
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• 36:52
  Speaker 1: done talking about nakedness, Ben, because Luke got fired up
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: over it. Luke was like, I didn't appreciate this. I
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: don't even know that I'd want to take a girl
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: home that recently went naked bungee jumping with another man.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: And I feel like a lot of people, I think
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of people want to get at Luke for that.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: But if you really think about it, and you're sitting
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: down with like your boyfriend, your husband, your fiance, and
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I mean, I guess if I was
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: in his shoes, I probably would feel a little bit
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: weird about that as well. I think Luke goes wrong
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: completely and telling her what she should do with her
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: body and what she can do, and what he because
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: he does not have them, he does not have the
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: right right now to tell her any of that, to
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: give his opinion on any of that. This is her thing,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: she's leading it her body. But I mean, I guess
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I can understand it being a little bit weird taking
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: home a girl who's already been naked within the past
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: two weeks with another man. I can we sit here
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: and talk about this, just back and forth for a bit,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: because I feel like this is an interesting conversation and
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: one that I've thought a lot about, even since last
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: week when we got the teaser. Right, Um, actually, here's
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: my thing. I I agree with you. I think it's weird.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: This is one of those times where the show's format
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: and real life kind of collide because he's feeling like
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: that is his girlfriend, and he's mentioned that, like, hey,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: this is my girlfriend, and she also is because of
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: the format dating other men and exploring those relationships, So
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: it's gonna get weird. It just is. And so I
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: think how we look at this is, yeah, if I
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: was if I had a girlfriend and and we've been
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: dating for let's even say a month. I don't know
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: how long the show has been going on right now,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: but let's say a month, and she comes to me
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: one day and she goes funny story like I was
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: just bungee jumping naked with the dude. It's like I'd
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: be like I don't think I like that, Like, I
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: don't know if I feel right about that. I think
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: like you said so from Luke's perspective. And we've kind
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: of talked about this all season, and it's actually been
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: kind of interesting how many comments we've gotten, uh and
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: one of the first times ever on this podcast where
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: people have gone, you need to be meaner to Luke.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: P Like, you guys are being too nice to him,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: You're understanding him too much, like he's doing crazy things.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Typically it's the reverse for us, um, but I think
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: in this situation, I can see his thought process, and
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: I think here's where I want to talk to you
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: is how did he communicate it poorly? What is your
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: opinion on and how he communicated poorly. He communicated it
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: poorly by calling what you did a mistake, especially a
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: bone headed mistake. I know that later in the episode
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: he tried to back pedal on that and be like, no,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: no, no no, I was talking about future bone headed mistakes,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: not this one being a bone headed mistake. But that
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: is absolutely where he went wrong, because she's like, it
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: wasn't a mistake. It's actually something that I'm really glad
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: that I did. And we have felt that she's glad
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: that she feels like to me, there's a great book
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: that I've read multiple times now and I tell anybody
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: to read it, and I've talked about it here. It's
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: called Scary Close and Scary Closes, a book really on
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: relational communication and how we relate with people in relationships,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: and there's a whole two chapters about manipulation and how
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: all of us at some level are are manipulators. We
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: just are in our own ways. It feels like to me,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: one of the things that Luke p has done consistently
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: throughout the season is he has tried or attempted or
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: has manipulated situations where he brings in guilt and shame
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: to very bad emotions to situations to try to get
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: his way, and then when he is confronted on it
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: by Hannah or are the other guys, he back pedals, Oh,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: absolutely what he did here, Yeah, he totally shamed her
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: and then and then backpedals the following day. So even
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: with I'm thinking here like I can only really relate
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: with my own personal circumstances. So say jeff a cup Um,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: she comes to me one day and she's like, hey,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: I was in this situation, you know, all of a sudden,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: this work event happened, and this guy and I had
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: to do a speed dating round and be like, yeah,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: I don't love that, And but my follow up question
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: be like, well, how did it make you feel? Why
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: did you choose to do that? Like what is it like?
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: And then hopefully I could if I was uncomfortable, I
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: could follow up with hey, Jess like this makes me
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable? Why, and then we would respond, like we
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: would converse and talk about it and communicate about you know,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: those things. I think in this situation, I was upset
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: with Luke, and this is one of the first times
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: in a long time that was like, dude, this is
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: like dangerously bad. Is because he went at her with Shane,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: which is a terrible approach and one that if I
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: was Hannah, honestly call it whatever, he's home, He's going
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: home that night. I never want to date anybody that
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: resorts to confrontation and pushes me into a corner of shame.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: I think that if he wanted to talk about this,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: he could have been like who that makes me feel
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: a little, It makes it like it hurts and I
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: feel jealous. But I know that it's what you wanted
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: to do, so I'm glad you did it. It's a
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: moral yeah, I mean it's a moral line that he's calling, right,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, call it from whatever. I'm assuming it's coming
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: from something in his his faith background or his conservative
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: approach to life. Uh. And I don't want to tell
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: somebody where their moral standards should fall. I think we
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: we work through that in life. But if that is
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: where his moral standards fall, that he's uncomfortable with this situation,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: there are right ways to approach it, and he went
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: about it in a very dangerous way. And for as
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: nice as we've been to loop P maybe the last
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks, yeah, he was wrong. And this is
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: he is scary wrong. This was the week where I
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: was like, Okay, now, don don come on. You have
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: to eliminate him because there's no reason to keep him
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: around anymore. She doesn't have fun with him, she doesn't
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: even seem to like him. He just makes her angry. Well,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: this is the first row ceremony where I go, I
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: don't get it anymore, Hannah, I don't get it. I
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: can understand you keeping him around for initial sparks, for
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: that feeling that you had when you guys first started dating.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: But now I don't feel like you're in in with him,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: and I don't think that you're ever going to feel
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: better about him again. He just makes you angry. I
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: don't get it. I don't love either. You know the talk,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I think at one point, and I know where that's
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: coming from as well, he says comments like your body
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: is a temple. Of course it is. I mean it
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: is a temple, and it is something that we should
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: all hold to a high standard. We we should love
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: our bodies and respect our bodies. But at what level.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: I never quite got the parallel between your bodies a
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: temple and what you did was wrong, Like, if anything,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: she was just comfortable in her skin and to say
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: screw it, I'm gonna do this. I think there it
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: was another moment where he was using faith as a weapon,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: and I'm not okay with that. Actually, this is where
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: it gets really personal to me. And I was sitting
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: last night with my family watching this and I was like,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: I don't like the show makes me laugh a lot,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: and I get in you know, we do this podcast
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: and we talk about it a lot, and I spoke
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: a little bit about this last week, but last night
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: again it gets me angry because I love Jesus like
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Jesus is the rock to my life and and nothing
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: I do make sense without my belief in a God.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: But that belief in a God is never used for
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Shane gilt or as a weapon. And and it makes
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: me angry that the idea and the perception that we're
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: sending from this show right now is that as a Christian,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: these are the normal responses we should have towards people
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: like they show him praying, they show him in a
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: like this. This this gets really personal to me. And
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: as for women out there, like, hey, uh and maybe
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: this will be controversial, I don't know if I would
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: love that my girlfriend did that either, Like quite honestly,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I think, but don't at any level make anybody, especially
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: when it comes with the right intentions to feel shame
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: or gil or that they should hide in a corner
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: in like in in in an apologetic way because they
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: made a decision like this, like and it's it's scary
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: for me what the public is seeing from his mouth
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: or hearing from his mouth right now, and how they're
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: relating that to the God that I love so dearly.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: So you you just don't you want to make sure
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: that people know that Christians are not all like Luke. Well,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: none of us are the same, right and so, and
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: like Luke, I'm not going to question his belief in God.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know that side of him. I don't
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: know where he stands with his faith. All I know
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: from what I've seen is that it's used now on
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: a few occade Asians to be a weapon or to
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: bring on shame or guilt. Like his moral standard is
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: the standard he sets his stake in, and then everybody
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: else that doesn't equate to that somehow is wrong. And
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: that's where I want to draw the line and say,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: not every person that has a moral compass feels this
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: way or would communicate it in this way. I want
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: to go back to something you said. I probably wouldn't
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: want my girlfriend doing this. Luke keeps telling Hannah, you're perfect,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: You're the girl I want to marry. But he's just
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: saying those things because it feels like it he just
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: doesn't know her, and she's she's maybe probably proving that
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: she's less conservative than he'd want a girl to be.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: And yet he of course keeps saying things like, I
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: want to marry you. You're my perfect girl. I think
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: she's proving that she's not your perfect girl. Well, let
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: me get personal for a second. And I've never talked
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: about this publicly, So let's go to Lauren and I
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: for a second. Somebody that I think we both had
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: a mutual love for each other and a mutual respect
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: for each other. Right now, we were not Luke and Hannah.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: We got along for the most part, right but there
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: was a time in our relationship towards the end that
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: we the And it wasn't even lifestyle choices, it wasn't
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: decisions that we're making. We could just tell that we
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: weren't clicking. Like the things I would do, maybe she
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: not what wasn't maybe not a fan of but just
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: didn't really enjoy, and the things that she would do
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: maybe I didn't enjoy, or things I would do on
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: on on occasion would annoy her, or maybe things I
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: would do every day in my life would annoy her.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: And we just realized at that point there was a
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: lack of compatibility. We weren't the right partners for each other,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: we weren't bringing out the best in each other. That
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: our relationship was more frustrating than it was uplifting. That's
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: exactly what we're seeing between Hannah and Luke on a
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: smaller scale. On a smaller scale. Now, I don't want
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: to compare Laura and I to handle Luke. We we
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: have a lot healthier relationship that but I think all
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: of our listeners out there could say if if they've
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: been in a few relationships, could say, hey, I've been
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: in a relationship that we wanted it to work, that
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: everything aligned for it to work, but at the end
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: of the day, we were not compatible. That our conversations
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: ended up in frustration as much as we didn't want
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: them to be. I look back to a few weeks
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: ago when Luke had his one on one. Hannah went
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: into that wanting to have a great time with him,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: and it ended with both of them being frustrated for
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: whatever reason that happens in relationships. And at that point, actually,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: once again, I think it's a good teller of this
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: isn't gonna work, which is why it's super weird that
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: she keeps giving him a rose because they have proven
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: to be completely incompritable. Let's let's open us up to
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: the listeners. Listeners, why do you think Hannah continues to
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: keep them around. I don't want to get emails on
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: oh the show is making her, because I don't think
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: they are. What is it about Luke right now that
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: you think Hannah is still intrigued by or thinks that
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: could work. Is it just the frustration that brings her back?
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Is the fact that she did she has unfinished business
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: with him, or that he still has a pull on
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: her in some way, whatever it is, I want to
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: hear your thoughts and as much detail as possible, Ashley,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: and I want to read those this week at Nashley
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: at i heeart media dot com. Ben, there's one more
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: thing about the naked stuff that I want to talk about. Um,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: the other guys made it seem like they were okay
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: with it, especially Tyler, and I think it's kind of
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: wacky to be like, oh, it's totally fun and chill
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: about it. Was like, totally great. I'm really happy for
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: it's okay to express some jealousy some annoyance, and that
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: really fired me up. I don't know that I even
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: think it's okay to be like, oh, so chill with it,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: because that does that show that you're not like super
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: into her because you didn't have a tinge of jealousy
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: in that moment. I think, like it's cool to be like,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: I respect whatever decision she she does with her body
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: and all that, but like to not even show a
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: little frustration with the date. Good point. Well, and I
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: wonder if there's two things That one is that he
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: feels that Tyler and the rest of the group sees
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: that there's so much shame and guilt right now on
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Hannah about it, that they're going in the opposite direction, Like, Okay,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I care about this woman.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: I like this woman. Maybe I'm falling in love with her.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: I don't want I mean, I know now with you know,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: my relationship, I don't want Jessica to feel shame or
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: guilt or to feel down and out, especially over a
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: decision she's made with the best of intentions. And so
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: maybe those guys are going the opposite wasteing. It's not
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: even a battle that I even want to get into,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Like at the end of the day, this is going
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: to work out, like it needs to work out in
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: the end. Anyways. The second is, I think, exactly, I
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: think if that's the case, and it probably was, because
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: they know to stay away from Luke p drama. That
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: that's probably what it what it was, and that's really
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: it's great. All I can say is that on Crystal season, uh,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: Britt came back from her date with him and said,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: and then we took a nap, and then the cameras
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: left and we went to his room and we slept together,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: just took a nap and ate food and talked and
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: we were all admittedly fired up over it. Yeah, I
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: think that's fair. I mean, I remember back in the day,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: the famous episode where Caitlin and Sean had their moment
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: kind of in front of me, uh, and definitely we're kissing,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: and I was fired up, like I was jealous, I
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: was envious, I was everything like it wasn't okay. And
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: and but I think the way Caitlin I discussed it
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: made it at least understandable, because when we sat down,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: it was you know, why was this as a decision
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: that you made? Where do I stand in your life?
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Like can we talk through like what your thought process was,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: and where do you want this to go from here?
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Like ideally where do we go from here? And it
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: all worked out like in the day when I was
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: let go in Ireland. That no longer was a concern
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: of mine because we had discussed it and I had
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: become in support of her, when the other guys in
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: the house maybe would be still upset about the fact
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: that you know, she hooked up with Sean, or that
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: you know, Nick came on the show and they had
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: a series of dates or whatever beforehand, like it would
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: all like. Because we had been able to talk it out,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: it allowed me to be in a position of support
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: for her instead of one of with the army going yeah,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: she's wrong, right, all right? Well, what an interesting situation. Yeah,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: what an interesting scenario. One of the most compelling um
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: situations that we've seen in recent Bachelor history. I think
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: it's only gonna continue for luke P. I'm not a
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: fan of what happened this week with him. It's a
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: dangerous communication style. But I want to hear your thoughts
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: as well, because I do think this will be controversial.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: I think there'll be people, maybe not on luke P's
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: side on how he did it, but just the response
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: to would you feel jealousy or if you if you
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: could put yourself in the Bachelor world for one episode
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: or one season, and this happens. How would you have responded?
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Please email us, tweet us, make sure you hashtag the
• 53:04
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• 53:09
  Speaker 1: skipping over this now as much of a conversation it is.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Can we go into the group date that I know
• 53:15
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• 55:05
  Speaker 1: goes this group date Ben? I mean it was so
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: much fun and can we just admit that Hannah was
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: a little bit tipsy off that moonshine, and I think
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: it was really good for her. It always is. I
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: don't know how much Hannah is choosing to drink during
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: her season, but I know for me, I chose to
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: drink very little. I was nervous and there's a lot
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: to do. But there was a date in Mexico where
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: I let loose and I had a few drinks, and
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: it makes this whole thing really fun. She was having
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: a blast at this market, and the guys were having
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: fun with her. You can just see like everybody's energy
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: levels are up. It's interesting. I feel like every point
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: in most seasons this group dates typically goes pretty well, right.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't feel like there's a lot of pressure.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: There's still enough guys there where you can kind of
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: kind of figure out who's going to go home and
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: who's not. But there I also think that we have
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: we have some recourse from repercussion from the conversation Hannah
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: had with the guys a few weeks ago when she said, hey,
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: idiots like you guys continue to make this thing hard
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: for me. Can you stop? Like, can we just have
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: fun so we can see if this thing is going
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: to work or not. And I think the guys are
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: probably still like acting in a way that yeah, they're
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: enjoying themselves, but she has made sure that their mindset
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: is on having a good time, joy and fun and
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: not how do we make this as dramatic as possible? Right? Exactly?
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: The one thing I want to talk about the group
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: day that I want to believe so much. But now
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Jed and his player way is because we know if
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: confirmation that Jed is a player. I'm just feeling the
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: same way about Tyler again because he's just like a
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: little bit too smooth with lines. He's like, I saw
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: you in that white dress and you're just heaven sent,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: and I was like, I want to make you feel specially,
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: that's the kind of woman I want to be with.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know, what do you think. I just like,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: I feel like I have my my player. My player
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: hat is on right now. My siren is at the
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: top of the hat. And every time I see Jed
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: during this this whole episode, it goes off, of course,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: but now I think because it's sitting on my head,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: I'm feeling that way again with Tyler. I want to
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: see Tyler be real, like he's not saying anything of substance,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: and I know Tyler, we're gonna I'm gonna just get
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: blown up because Tyler has a huge following. He's a
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: good looking dude, he's a lot going for him, and
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: there's no like red flags yet with me with Tyler,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: but I don't think he said anything real yet. You
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: guys are just talking about it earlier. It feels like
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: he says the right things. It's not hard to go
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: into a date and say a few lines to make
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: anybody feel special. But there's no vulnerability yet, and that's
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: what I want at a summit one of these guys, like,
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: none of these guys have showed any vulnerability at this point.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: And and before you all say come on, this is crazy,
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Hannah has even said it. She said it a few
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: weeks ago, and she says, I know nothing about you
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: and you know nothing about me. All we do is
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: have a good time and say the right things. Yeah,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, Luke says beautiful like pretty words, and he
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: says things that are out of romance novels. But I
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: just know I was gonna say, I don't think you
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: has said a pretty world words since the beginning of
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: this thing. I have no idea why I said. Luke
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Tyler says such pretty things every He's like out of
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: a Nicholas Barks novel. But I just I'm just a
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: little bit concerned now because you know why, because as
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: a girl, I love to fall for things like this.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: And I say, I know that it sounds like he's
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: playing that he said these things a zillion times to
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: a zillion different girls. I want to believe it. Can
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: you just let me believe it? And then I'll be
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: watching or getting feedback from a guy from a male
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: point of view, and then they'll be like, this guy
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: is so full of deep you know, he is full
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: of crap, and I'm like, really, oh, you're killing my dreams.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: But I think that in situations like this, you have
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: to take advice from you have to hear the feedback
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: from guys, because I think that they know how to
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: spot players way better than girls. I mean, let's let's
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: all take a second here. Actually, you're in a committed
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: relationship with a man who loves you dearly and who
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: wants you to feel as special as possible at any
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: moment of the day, now granted on a nice date
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: night or on a morning that it just hit hits
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: him in the heart. Jared, I'm sure looks at you
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: and says, actually, you look beautiful today, or Ashley like,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: I'm so lucky to spend my life with you. Like,
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: but that's not happening all the time. And for the
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: most part, when you communicate with Jared, I'm assuming it's
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: out of vulnerability, it's out of confiding each other. It's
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: real life stuff. And you know that, like the part
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: that you love about him is not the pretty words.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: He says, Yeah, it's funny that you said that, because
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: last night when we were talking about Tyler, he was like,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: I would never tell you you stood there in that
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: white dress. You know, it would be funny, right, it
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: would be billy, You would laugh at him. So I
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: look at this and I'm saying, hey, Tyler has yet
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: have proved us and he's a player. He obviously doesn't
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: mean kind of like we said with the Pete situation,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: we look at a guy like Tyler and we shouldn't
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: judge him for it because he's good looking, he has
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: a lot going for him. He's ripped. He says the
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: right things are assumption is player. But we don't know
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: that yet. We we can't. But with Jed, which we'll
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: get too later in the podcast, everybody's wondering. Yeah, if
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: anybody's wondering if we're gonna talk about Jed or night
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: we are, it'll be at the end of the podcaster.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: To stay tuned, we can read right through it now
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: because we have physically tangible examples of it. Actually, there's
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: there's something I want to talk about because I feel
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: like there's one guy that has even touched the line
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: of vulnerability this season, who seems like a good dude
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: who I'm a fan of and I think you are
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: as well. He's been in our top three a lot
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: this year. UM, good looking guy. We don't see anything
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: from him ever, and when we do, he seems to
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: not give off a player vibe. He doesn't just say
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: the right things. If anything, it feels like he's trying
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: really hard just to get time with Hannah most of
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: the time. It's Connor. Why aren't we see anything from him?
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, the only reason that I've eliminate,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: eliminate Connor in my head is because he just feels
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: very young to me. But is he I mean, what
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: is he's like her age or whatever. It's just I
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: don't I don't know why I keep just disregarding him
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: in my head. I guess it's because we're not seeing
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: much of him. It's it's a little frustrating me, ash
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: like it is because I do think and again, I'm
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: seeing very little amount of their life. I do think
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Connor has shown, at least on a consistent basis, to
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: not say the right things, or try to say the
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: right things, to try to get time with Hannah, to
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: do small little gestures to make her feel special. And
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: I do think that, if anything, he carries enough to
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: continue to try. And I'm not seeing anything from him.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: And maybe just Hannah isn't that into him, But we
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: haven't heard that side either. Yeah, you're right again, I'm
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: not a great judge, uh sometimes with this stuff. But
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: how has Connor not captured the hearts of every woman
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: in America? I mean, Tyler has, but Connor has a boyishness,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, is it? I mean, that's interesting. That's
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: a great point. If it's the boys boyishness, then that
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: makes sense. He looks at your college kin. To me,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: he looks like the boy next door. Tyler is in
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: a similar way with like his looks and all that.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: But I think that Tyler presents himself more manly. Okay,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: that's fair. I think that's a fair take. It makes sense.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: It just my my take from this episode is I'm
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: frustrated because I want to see more Connor. I like Connor,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: like a con is not the kind of guy who's
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: gonna push you against the wall and like be like
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: super romantic. He's going to be like the guy who
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: takes you like a cute date and then you hold
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: his hand and it's cute, but he doesn't like give
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: us sexual vibes. Well, hey, this group date was fun,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: it was exciting. Um, it was enjoyable to watch. There
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: was great things that happened, but actually just brought up
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: a great point. He doesn't give you off the sexual vibes,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: the vibes that will push you up against the wall
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: or push you onto a sauna. And that's exactly what
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: Pilot Pete did. As we talked about earlier in this podcast,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Pilot Pete went all out. We saw some wild things
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: from Pilot Pete again, kind of like the Colton and
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: Hannah ge scene. I was watching, like, hey, this is
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: an intimate moment, and I'm glad the cameras shut the
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: door and left because let these two people be they
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: need Oh my god, I was thinking about the cameraman
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: so much, about how the fact that he was probably
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: sweaty and couldn't breathe then had to watch them do that.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: It was so it was so intense and and in
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: a sense I'm gonna use the word beautiful like it
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: felt real. It felt like Hannah was letting her guard
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: down again, and it felt like Pilot Pete was enjoying
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: the moment as well. And it didn't feel like, hey,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: let's just hook up and hey we're dating, we only
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: have a few minutes. It felt like a very intimate
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: scenario between two people who were beginning to care about
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: each other and who needed it. Honestly, in this whole
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: my only like negative from all of this is with
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: you is the poor cameraman. What a terrible job, like
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: sweaty Sanna, big old camera on your shoulder and your
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: ten feet from two people going at it. I truly
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: thought that you're right, this was more of a romantic
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: scene than it was watching two people huk up. I
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: wonder what Hannah Hannah has text or tweeted quite a
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: bit this last week about her grandfather and how big
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: a fanny. I think she calls him granddaddy of the show,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: or I wonder what granddaddy felt watching this because I
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: watched one episode with my grandma and their response. As
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: supportive as she is, and she was very supportive and
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: tried to be their response is never the right words,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: the right thing, like it's either oh, that's sweet or wow,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: like you really like him or like her? Huh, Like
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: it's always the thing that makes you cringe a little
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: bit inside. And because it's your grandparents and it feels
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: weird for them to know that side. Oh yeah, totally.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: My Grandmo would call him like, did you make the
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: funniest comments after watching me on the show. It's uh,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: it's interesting to see the pilot Pete one on one.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: I think he's in for the long haul. We'll see
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: Pilot Pete for a few more weeks. We talked about
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: in length. Moving on now, Jed the Jed Uh he
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: made a special appearance. He didn't have a one on
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: one this week. He didn't get a rose before the
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: rose ceremony, and this man is an expert at getting
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: a rose before the rose ceremony. He showed up after
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Pete's one on one and serenaded her from the street
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: as Hannah watched from her balcony and talk about a
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: fairy tale, right. She even said like this is what
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: fairy tales or romance novels are made out of. But
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: the thing is romance novels usually don't have that component
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: of having a girlfriend back at home. Yeah, so I
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: think this is obviously an obvious question. And actually, I
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: want to just throw it to you. Is this this
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: scene I've honestly just made my stomach her It was uncomfortable.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: It was really weird. And and honestly, I think and
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: and here's my take, and I want to hear yours now.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: My take is even if Jed, if we didn't know
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: this about Jed still having an ex or dating a
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: girl up into the show and telling her that he
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: you know, all the things, he's sweet nothings he said
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: to her right on the moment he left, even if
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: we didn't know that side, I still think that this
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: moment would have made me feel weird. I don't love
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: these like, Hey, I'm gonna go out of my way
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: to go see you because here's my thought. And then
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: I want to throw it to you for all of
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on Jed. But if everybody out there listening,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: I felt this is a good moment to kind of
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: give a behind the scenes take. Um as the Bachelor
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: Bachelor at you spend you know, four your forty dates
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: in the season, you spend three months close to it
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: dating consistently, you're exhausted, like really tired, and as much
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: as you might love people, and you really appreciate the
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: people that are there to date you and that you're
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out if you could spend a life with,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: like you might really love them, but even like in
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: the most deep pieces of love, like you need time
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: away and you need time apart. And so here's one
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: thing that I didn't love about this. Really two things.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: One is I don't love any dude that's or anybody's
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: gonna show up and serenade you from the bottom of
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: a balcony. I think that's sweet, but that gesture has
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: been pulled off many times in history. It's nothing unique.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: Get over yourself. The second thought, and granted, I'm really
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: angry at Jed right now, he's I'm not a fan
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: of what he did at all. The second thought is this,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: if you really cared about the bachelor or bachelor, you
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: know they've been on a long date. You know that
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: date has been really you know she's probably at home
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: or he's at home trying to process what's been happening
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: and what that date did. And they're also trying to
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: rest and relax because they've got a whole another date
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: the next day. The last thing I really ever wanted
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: to see and do was that, probably eleven o'clock at night,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: have anybody else show up to my door, because because
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: that means the cameras are back in my room, that
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: means I'm back on that means I'm back into conversation,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: that means I'm cuddling again. And quite honestly, after seeing
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: like the Pete date, you just got after it with somebody,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: you don't really have the energy to get back after
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: it again. At least I wouldn't, Okay, So you definitely
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: see it from the Bachelor batchelor at Leeds point of view,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: And if if I was in that position, You're right,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: I'd be pretty annoyed to finally get my alone time
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: then have it interrupted, because alone time is very important
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: to me, and I know it's also very important to Hannah.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: The only case in which I'd be down for one
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: of my favorites to come and serenade me or spend
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: time with me at night after another one on one
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: would be if I went on one on one with
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: somebody who I was like lukewarm about, like who I liked,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: but who I was probably thinking about others while I
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: was with And then if one of those others showed
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: up at the end of the night, I think it
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: would be able to confirm my feelings for them a
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: little bit more. And it may just be nice to
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, somebody that I had like, really am
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: excited to see and really am excited to touch. Um Jed,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: I'm tired of this song though, it's like, get a
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: new song, buddy. But now, of course I say this
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: because I'm annoyed with him. Everything seems contrived. Everything just
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: is so yucky to us. Now it's it's so annoying
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: because this would have been a romantic moment, at least
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: from a girl's point of view. Maybe maybe Ben's right there,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: maybe it has been overdone, but it would have been
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: romantic and it would have been everything that we had
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: wanted to see. We probably would have like passed out
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: due to like all the swooning, but the entire time
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: we're like, what a phony bologne, what an owl? Everything's
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: just a move for him. So you know, maybe I'm
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: envious two because I can't sing. That could just be
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: a movie. When I see this stuff is like I'm
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: not that guy. Like if I stood at your balcony
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: and saying to you like it's a comedy act, like
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: you're gonna laugh, it's gonna be funny, Like this is
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: not gonna be sweet. You're gonna go then either get
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: off the street or come up here and like salking
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: your unskilled you know. Ways. Actually, I want to pause
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: here because before we get to the podcast, I have
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: a few questions that I want to throw off to you.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: I was always a little hesitant on Jed, not knowing
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: any of this, But just like you said that you
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: you're a fan, your thoughts on Jed have obviously changed,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: and I think it's time now in the season for
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: us to start looking at She's obviously into him. He's
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: gonna make it a long ways. We're as viewers now
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: a little angry what happens, Like how does this play out?
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: How does the show respond to what's been made public?
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: What goes on from here on out? Where are we
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: able to support this relationship at all, if they're together
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: or not? Based on what we know about Jet. Before
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: I get into that, I want to talk more about
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: the musician thing for just one second. It's almost like
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: we've seen Jed sing more than we've seen Jed speak
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: to her, So I feel like he's like hiding behind
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: his musician talents, you know. Oh, but he's not there
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: to get it famous. Oh yeah, well that's right, isn't
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: it kind of crazy the way. I don't know if
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: we talked about this last week, but I'm surprised by
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: how much they've let him perform, because there have been
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: other musicians on this show before, and they've never been
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: able to sing this many times. I wonder, actually if,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: at some point, because we obviously know this news of
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: him having somebody back home came out probably during the
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: filming of the show, after a while, I would assume,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: I wonder if the show is trying to show us
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: the real Jed, and then at some point the show
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: will actually break down and show us that he was
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: never out for the right reasons that they're trying to
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: show us, Oh, he was really always trying to sing.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: He was always trying to, you know, show his talents
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: and his skills to her. And then at some point
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: later on it all makes sense when they say, oh,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: but he also has a girl at home, and he
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: also was the first to say I'm not here to
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: get famous, right, I know. I I agree it could be.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: It could be a mechanism showing all the all these
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: musical performances and very little talking with two the two
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: of them. I to go back to your question, your
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: other question. I feel like she's constantly if she does,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: if Hannah ends up with with Jed, She's going to
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: constantly have trust issues. She's never going to feel like
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: the origin of their relationship was uh clean. She's always
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: going to have doubts. If I don't know, I to
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: play devil's advocate. You can just you can say, Okay,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: he went on with a girlfriend, He went on to
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: promote his you know, his business basically, but he um
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: along the way found the love of his life. And
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: no one, especially him, would have ever expected that to
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: be the way that events turned out to be. But
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: that's truly how he feels that Hannah is the love
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: of his life. I don't know if we're ever going
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: to believe him even if that is the truth, right,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I'll have a hard time, I will
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: and a little bit of cynical and and a lot
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: of little bit of seeing this thing play out before
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: in different past seasons. If that's the case, Uh, we
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: should we should all try to get to a place
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: of celebrating them as a couple. But I will have
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: a hard time with that. M hmm. If they are together,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: I know we're like really jumping ahead. We have like
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: five weeks left, But if they are together, I would
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: just I would think that she should probably not be
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: with him. If they are together. Actually, this after the
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: Final Rose will be one of the most intense episodes
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: of all time. Can we imagine right now, like a
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: live episode where he sits out there and Chris Harrison
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: questions him and the crowd booze and all those things
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: like it would be wild? Hey, um, actually want to
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: close with a few thoughts and take away from the
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: episode before you let us know who goes home, which
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: is obviously um Dylan and uh you remember his name, Dustin?
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: Don't even remember his names. I don't think I ever
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: heard him talk. Poor guy. He did get a group
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: date rose early on. I am uh, I'm now I've
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: been told by our Twitter following that I'm no longer
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: allowed to talk about self describing, so I will not
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: do that, um, but I will bring up something else
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: that has now annoyed me about this show and about people. Uh,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: and I would love to throw it out there for
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: you and our listeners to also get mad at me
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: about There is this communication style that's going on right
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: now in the in the season where when guys want
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: to have a really tough conversation, they open up their
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: original statement by going, I'm gonna be completely honest here. Oh,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be completely real. Mostly it's Luke p but
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: Tyler also did it this episode as well. But in
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: the and they always say but in this moment, like,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: I just want to be completely real with you, which
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: makes me assume that at some point you're not being
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: completely or at some point you're not being completely honest.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: To play Devil's outvocate again on this one, I think
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: it's a way of people to start a conversation letting
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: them know that it's not going to be an easy
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: one and it's going to be a little bit deeper
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: than normal. They're just like preparing them for the state
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: of the conversation. But as Evan mentioned, that would be fine,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: and I would agree with you if their follow up
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: was about having a deep conversation, But typically the follow
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: up at least from Luke p has been about or
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: about himself or about himself like I'm gonna be completely
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: honest with you, like, uh, I'm you know whatever. Whatever
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: he says about himself, it's never this deep conversation. It's
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: always just like, hey, in this moment, I'm gonna tell
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: you exactly how I'm feeling, Like why why do I
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: have to say that? Why do I have to preface
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: anything with At this point, I'm not gonna lie to you,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: like I don't know you're You're totally right. I think
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: that people don't mean it literally, and it goes along
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: with when people go literally I just ate a banana
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: and you're like, oh no, no, really figuratively ate a banana.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: It's the exact same thing. I need to know though,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: from all of you listeners, because I love you dearly.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: You've been great to us for the last two years.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: Um and Ashley, I want to hear from you as well.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: Am I crazy? Like the self describing thing, I'm done with.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: I know I probably just continue to talk about it
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: too much. This situation is a communication thing that really
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: annoyed me and got under my skin. Is that me
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: just being overly annoyed, too sensitive? Or do I have
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: a point? I think been an Ashley at I heart
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: Meta dot com And actually, what do you think? I
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: think it's a little bit of both. I think you're
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: a little sense off to it. But I think you
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: definitely have a point, and we should stop saying as
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: much as we do fair enough. How many times do
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: we start? Honestly, I've yeah, no, I don't like it either.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh really not honestly, we should fix it. Hey, Ashley,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: any emails out there that we want to read, let's
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: just do I got one real quick. We can start
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: with and and why I'm reading pick one out here?
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: It's from Lauren. It says Jed's X I want to
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: reach out regarding the recent news about Jed having a
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: girlfriend before going on Hannah season of the Bacherette. Well,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: I'm sure this happens more than we find out about.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: I truly felt for this girl. I recently dated a
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: guy who moved to Nashville to further his music career. Oh, surprise, surprise,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: and a few months after the move decided he no
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: longer wanted to be together. I decided to reach out
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: to Haley to let her know that she's not alone,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: and how strong she was for coming to share her story.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: I must say she appreciated it more than I could
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: have ever imagined and is one of the sweetest people
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: I've ever talked to. Hey, just to give all of
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: you good listeners a clue, we've brought it up and
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: you might not listen to the last week's podcast. Jed
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: in the news last week it came out that he
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: had a girlfriend going onto the show. He was texting
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: her as he was getting the plane, saying that he
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: liked her body, he liked her spirit, all these things, um,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: and that when he got back from the show he
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: pretty much ignored her or what the cool kids are
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: calling it these days, ghosted her. Um. So Lauren reached
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: out to Jed's X. It sounds like and that Haley.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: Jed's X responded and it was sweet about the conversation.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: That's why we're kind of down on Jed right now.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: We're very down on Jed. He had a girlfriend back
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: home and we have text to prove it. Another email
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: we have from Jessica says, I'm a Luke P fan.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: I know that you guys aren't fans of Luke P,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: but I am a Luke p fan. Is he a
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: total bro? Yes? Does he say things that make me say, uh, Luke? Absolutely?
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: But do I think he's one there for Hannah? Yes.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: He definitely doesn't say all the right things to Hannah,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: but he does admit when he's wrong. He did give
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: her what she wanted this week by telling her exactly
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: how he feels. He's treating the guys with respect, even
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: when they are tearing him down week after week. He
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: really doesn't owe them anything but listens and responds. Has
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: this season been the everyone is against Luke show? Yes,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: And frankly I'm over it fair enough. I mean, it's
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: kind of what we were saying, like, we don't want
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: to be mean to the guy anymore. His this whole
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: thing is going to affect him in ways that we
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: can never imagine. Um, but I do think Luke has
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: done uh some consistently really kind of manipulative things that
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: has made us now say, hey, we're not a fan
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: of this, We're not okay with this. And you can
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: be a fan of his or at least supportive of
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: him and knowing that he's going through a rough thing
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: right now. Um, let me just say that she says,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: but do I think he is there one for Hannah? Yes,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: but I would say that he I would can repeat
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: that sentence, say, do I think he's there for whoever
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: the bachelor? Right be Yes, So it's not Hannah, it's
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: he just wants to win the Bachelorette. I cannot disagree
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: with you. Ashley. Hey, Ashley, Yeah, stay in your lane.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: I saw a street sign today that said that over
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: the highway and I wanted to take a picture, but
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: you know, I was driving, so I didn't. I hope
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: you always stay in your lane. Don't look left, don't
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: look right, drive straight ahead, Ashley, because when you stay
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: in your lane, you don't cause issues for anybody else. Yeah. Alright, guys,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: that has been the Almost as podcast this week. Thank
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: you so much for listening. We adore you guys who
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: have been here for us for the past two years
• 1:20:39
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• 1:20:44
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• 1:20:52
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