Latest / Crime Stories with Nancy Grace / Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan: Pastor, 86, Married 5 Times, Buried 4. Now Suspect In Deaths of First Two Wives!

Transcript

Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan: Pastor, 86, Married 5 Times, Buried 4. Now Suspect In Deaths of First Two Wives! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

0:01
Speaker 1: Quality Bus with Joseph Scott more. Everybody has a story.
0:13
Speaker 1: It goes without saying, or as a friend of mine
0:16
Speaker 1: was off her to repeat, everybody's got somebody done, somebody
0:22
Speaker 1: wrong song.
0:23
Speaker 2: Story is what he used to say, and we do.
0:26
Speaker 2: We all think that ours Trump's the next one, but
0:30
Speaker 2: everybody's story is their own. Today, Brother Dave and I
0:35
Speaker 2: are going to talk about an interesting case, or should
0:39
Speaker 2: I say, cases that have popped up on our radar
0:43
Speaker 2: over the past week. And the reason it's interesting is
0:48
Speaker 2: that it involves a fellow who's up in age, and
0:56
Speaker 2: over the course of his eighty six years on the earth,
1:01
Speaker 2: he's been married not once, not twice, not three, but
1:10
Speaker 2: five times. Now four of those wives are deceased, but
1:22
Speaker 2: I'm very interested in two, in particular that now after
1:30
Speaker 2: many many years, the police seem to have an interest
1:34
Speaker 2: in as well. This story will blow your mind. And hey,
1:40
Speaker 2: it even involves an exhamation. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and
1:46
Speaker 2: this is bodybacks Dave. I gotta tell you, brother Dave,
1:54
Speaker 2: there's something about I used to It's really weird. I'm
1:58
Speaker 2: going to give you a little in light into my
2:00
Speaker 2: crazy mind here, all right, Oh, yeah, I know, right.
2:06
Speaker 2: I would particularly get excited when I was asked to
2:12
Speaker 2: assist in exhamations. And it's a weird thing. It almost
2:19
Speaker 2: feels like, and I'm talking about from an intellectual, investigative,
2:25
Speaker 2: scientific perspective, kind of felt like Christmas morning to me.
2:31
Speaker 2: And I know that's weird because you know, Morgan, how
2:34
Speaker 2: in the world can you think of it? But just
2:36
Speaker 2: think about this. You've you have cause right, and we
2:41
Speaker 2: talk about cause right? What's the motivation behind things? And
2:44
Speaker 2: this ain't acting class? You know what's your motivation? Now?
2:47
Speaker 2: Motivation is you investigators da whoever it is, has come
2:52
Speaker 2: into information that they have presented before a judge, and
2:59
Speaker 2: that judge says, hm, okay, yeah, I'm digging on your
3:06
Speaker 2: vibe here. I see what you're doing. I'm actually going
3:08
Speaker 2: to order an exhamation, which is something they don't like
3:12
Speaker 2: to do. So when I would get involved in these things,
3:16
Speaker 2: I like the process of seeing a grave opened and
3:21
Speaker 2: then having to transport the body. And then this is
3:24
Speaker 2: the weird part.
3:25
Speaker 3: Really, Now we're gonna get weird.
3:26
Speaker 2: Now we're gonna get weird here, let's get weird. Flipping
3:30
Speaker 2: those locks on that cask of lid and pushing that
3:37
Speaker 2: thing up and then looking at all that remains before you,
3:44
Speaker 2: and you really wonder, you know, because in the immediate
3:48
Speaker 2: you can make an assessment about things relative to has
3:51
Speaker 2: there been any kind of water intrusion? How good a
3:54
Speaker 2: job did the mortuary staff do all those years ago?
3:58
Speaker 2: How were they dressed? So yeah, I mean again, you know,
4:03
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of the history guy on YouTube,
4:06
Speaker 2: and he always says every great story involves a pirate,
4:11
Speaker 2: and in my case, for me, every good story involves
4:16
Speaker 2: a mystery that can be solved through science.
4:18
Speaker 3: Dave, Okay, well, this case is going to probably involve
4:23
Speaker 3: a couple more excimations too, just throwing this out there
4:26
Speaker 3: based on the research I've done over the last few days.
4:30
Speaker 3: This is a story joke that Hey, by the way,
4:34
Speaker 3: for those of you who might be fairly new to
4:37
Speaker 3: body bags, Joseph Scott Morgan doesn't get giddy about exhumations
4:43
Speaker 3: because he's freaky. It's because judges really hold tight to
4:48
Speaker 3: may you rest in peace, okay, And to exsume somebody
4:53
Speaker 3: is a it really is almost an act of Congress.
4:56
Speaker 3: It's a big deal. And in this particular case, we
5:00
Speaker 3: have a pastor and I'm going to say this right
5:03
Speaker 3: at the beginning because it needs to be said out loud,
5:06
Speaker 3: and that is Jesus did not say, follow my followers.
5:10
Speaker 3: Is it follow me right? We're talking about a man
5:14
Speaker 3: who was an elder in the church during his first marriage,
5:20
Speaker 3: and somewhere along the line became a pastor in the
5:23
Speaker 3: Seventh day Adventist Church. We don't know where. We just
5:26
Speaker 3: know that in Louisville, Louisville, Kentucky, back in nineteen seventy two.
5:32
Speaker 3: This suspect, we can call him that, John Bridges. He's
5:38
Speaker 3: eighty six now, by the way, But back in nineteen
5:41
Speaker 3: seventy two, he and his first wife, And by the way,
5:44
Speaker 3: her name was Joyce Bridges, but she went by Mabel
5:49
Speaker 3: even in the seventies.
5:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mabel was.
5:52
Speaker 3: An old name.
5:53
Speaker 2: It was an old name. Yeah.
5:55
Speaker 3: I was shocked to see that this was not her
5:57
Speaker 3: given name. It was Mabel. We'll call her that instead
6:01
Speaker 3: of Joyce. So had something. But anyway, now, Joyce is
6:04
Speaker 3: thirty three years old. Mabel is thirty three years old.
6:07
Speaker 3: And according to John Bridges, he comes home and finds
6:14
Speaker 3: her unconscious. He doesn't call the police, he doesn't call
6:19
Speaker 3: fire rest, he didn't call anybody. He just puts her
6:21
Speaker 3: in the car and takes her to the hospital where
6:25
Speaker 3: she's pronounced dead. This is in nineteen seventy two. He
6:29
Speaker 3: is an elder in the church. And one thing I
6:31
Speaker 3: was able to look at was because there was no
6:34
Speaker 3: clarification on how she died, Joe, there's no police report,
6:39
Speaker 3: there's no ems report, there's no nothing. There's just a
6:43
Speaker 3: guy got home, found his wife unconscious and took her
6:46
Speaker 3: to the hospital and she was dead. John Bridges was
6:50
Speaker 3: an elder in the Seventh day Adventist church there in Louisville,
6:53
Speaker 3: Kentucky at the time, and his wife worked with him
6:57
Speaker 3: on church things. And it was actually in a church
7:00
Speaker 3: newsletter where I found the only inkling of what happened,
7:06
Speaker 3: where they mentioned that Mabel did a lot of church
7:10
Speaker 3: work with her elder, he was an elder in the
7:12
Speaker 3: church then John, and that she had an accident, a
7:17
Speaker 3: tragic accident happened, and she's no longer with us. That's
7:21
Speaker 3: his first wife. I don't remember. I mean I nineteen
7:26
Speaker 3: seventy two. I mean, I remember the day in time
7:29
Speaker 3: all that, but you know what I mean, I don't
7:31
Speaker 3: remember what it was like for ems back then. I
7:33
Speaker 3: remember the television show Emergency with Kevin Tye and Randolph
7:38
Speaker 3: Mantooth and X at the hospital. Oh yeah, yeah, and
7:43
Speaker 3: you know that was a great show. But I don't remember.
7:45
Speaker 3: I don't know if that happened like in Louisville, Kentucky,
7:47
Speaker 3: if they had paramedics standing by at the ready, where
7:50
Speaker 3: everybody knew you have a problem, you call them.
7:52
Speaker 2: You want to hear something, you want to hear something
7:54
Speaker 2: very interesting here. Yes, do you know who? Many ambulance
7:59
Speaker 2: services back then were run by no idea funeral homes. Yeah,
8:06
Speaker 2: funeral homes. You know that, and just think, no, think
8:09
Speaker 2: think about it, brother, Jeff.
8:11
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking. Got a funeral home that's kind of
8:13
Speaker 3: in financial difficulty, and they go to pick up a
8:16
Speaker 3: guy in an ambulance. He just broke his leg, all all
8:18
Speaker 3: things all pretty bad break.
8:20
Speaker 2: You know, Well, I listen.
8:22
Speaker 3: Don't go to the hospital, go ahead and take into
8:24
Speaker 3: the funeral home. We'll take care of the rest.
8:26
Speaker 2: Well, hey, you'd be really surprised the utility that funeral
8:30
Speaker 2: homes have. Uh, And think about you know back in
8:34
Speaker 2: the day, you know, back in the sixties, what did
8:36
Speaker 2: those ambulances look like.
8:39
Speaker 3: Station wagon horses they did.
8:42
Speaker 2: It was I think it's the same the same frame, right. Yeah.
8:45
Speaker 2: I had a buddy mine in college that happen ghostbusters
8:48
Speaker 2: yeah and ghosts, yeah, like ghostbusters, And it was not uncommon, uh,
8:53
Speaker 2: to find those vehicles that were out there being used.
8:56
Speaker 2: I got another story for you about funeral homes relative
8:59
Speaker 2: to this. Years ago, the corner in Clayton County, Georgia
9:09
Speaker 2: got hooked up on federal charges because he not only
9:15
Speaker 2: had he was a funeral director, that was the coroner
9:18
Speaker 2: for Clayton. And if you don't know, Clayton County, George
9:21
Speaker 2: is a big county, densely populated. It's where the airport is,
9:24
Speaker 2: It's where the Atlanta airport is, south of Atlanta then yeah,
9:27
Speaker 2: south of Atlanta. So not only did he have a
9:30
Speaker 2: funeral home business and he was a local corner, my
9:35
Speaker 2: man had a non emergency medical transport system that got
9:43
Speaker 2: paid from the Feds to take patients like to their appointments.
9:51
Speaker 2: And there was some funny business going on with the
9:54
Speaker 2: books relative to you know, getting like Medicare Medicaid money
10:00
Speaker 2: for this week. So you think about a funeral home
10:03
Speaker 2: back then or an emergency system, how was it set up.
10:08
Speaker 2: You know, the the nine to eleven system was still
10:12
Speaker 2: years away. By the way. Interesting fact, I think the
10:15
Speaker 2: first nine to eleven call ever placed was in the
10:17
Speaker 2: state of Alabama, and I think I've heard that before,
10:21
Speaker 2: But that system was not in place yet, and so
10:25
Speaker 2: you had So.
10:27
Speaker 3: Is it normal for people to just load up somebody
10:29
Speaker 3: that was unconscious and take them to the hospital.
10:31
Speaker 2: And said, look, look brother, it still happens today. Well,
10:34
Speaker 2: you can have two things that will happen. You can
10:37
Speaker 2: have you can have events where you'll have a ramp
10:40
Speaker 2: what they refer to as a ramp dump, where somebody's
10:43
Speaker 2: involved in something they shouldn't be involved in and somebody
10:47
Speaker 2: goes unconscious or they get traumatized. You'll have somebody will
10:51
Speaker 2: pull up in a car and just open the door
10:52
Speaker 2: and you know, push them out. At least they went
10:55
Speaker 2: to the hospital. Then you'll have civilians that show up
10:58
Speaker 2: and they'll say, my mother is having trouble breathing, she's
11:02
Speaker 2: got chest pains, this sort of thing. She's in the car,
11:05
Speaker 2: and you know, you go running out. Then you have cops.
11:09
Speaker 2: You have cops that they'll just strow somebody because they
11:12
Speaker 2: know Thomas of the essence and they're going to blast
11:15
Speaker 2: off like that. So I find it interesting in this
11:18
Speaker 2: particular case, he transports her to the hospital.
11:23
Speaker 1: Right.
11:23
Speaker 2: But in the newsletter, repeat what you said, brother, they
11:28
Speaker 2: said it was a tragic.
11:29
Speaker 3: It was well, I think in the new the church
11:32
Speaker 3: newsletter when they were talking about her passing, I think
11:35
Speaker 3: the tragic part was that she was an active member
11:38
Speaker 3: of their church and was married to an elder in
11:40
Speaker 3: the church. I think that's what they meant by tragic.
11:42
Speaker 3: That there was an accident, a fatal accident. That's how
11:45
Speaker 3: it alluded to an accident. But that's that's it, and
11:48
Speaker 3: that's in a church newsletter. I mean, she could have
11:50
Speaker 3: been sick from the flu and it was you know,
11:52
Speaker 3: I mean, it could have been any number of things.
11:54
Speaker 3: They just happened to call it an accident. And that
11:58
Speaker 3: actually plays into the next part of the story, because see,
12:02
Speaker 3: I couldn't find anything on Mabel Bridges.
12:06
Speaker 2: Again.
12:06
Speaker 3: You got a thirty three year old woman in nineteen
12:08
Speaker 3: seventy two, who you, Joe. You just don't expect somebody
12:12
Speaker 3: that young to die. Now. I don't know if it
12:14
Speaker 3: was different that long ago, but in this particular case,
12:21
Speaker 3: that happened on July fifth, nineteen seventy two.
12:26
Speaker 2: Okay, gotcha.
12:27
Speaker 3: Now I want you to fast forward almost to the
12:32
Speaker 3: day to nineteen ninety three. Okay, you with me.
12:39
Speaker 2: I'm with you, brother.
12:41
Speaker 3: Twenty one years later, on July second, nineteen ninety three,
12:47
Speaker 3: Astroid Bridges forty five years old in Gresham, Oregon. She
12:53
Speaker 3: is the second wife of John Bridges, who is now
12:57
Speaker 3: working as a pastor in the church in greg Morgan,
13:01
Speaker 3: which is outside of Portland. In this case, she reportedly
13:07
Speaker 3: fell from a ladder. John found her and took her inside.
13:13
Speaker 3: He wasn't home when it happened, apparently, but he found her,
13:16
Speaker 3: took her inside, and in that case, they did call police,
13:23
Speaker 3: but she was dead at forty five, and they just
13:27
Speaker 3: ruled it as an accident. Joe. Now, if there was
13:30
Speaker 3: any suspicion, they overcame it fairly quickly. There was no
13:34
Speaker 3: real investigation. By the way, this is coming from neighbors
13:37
Speaker 3: and historical significance that it's been how many years since
13:42
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety three, you know, And we're talking about this
13:46
Speaker 3: today because the case just got opened up. So I
13:48
Speaker 3: think the neighbor was right. There was not a lot
13:51
Speaker 3: of investigation done in nineteen ninety three with regard to
13:56
Speaker 3: Astrid Bridges now in this down because I wanted to
14:00
Speaker 3: make sure that I was specific on this.
14:02
Speaker 2: Okay.
14:03
Speaker 3: She died after reportedly falling from a ladder outside the
14:06
Speaker 3: couple's home. First ruled the death and accident Gresham Morgan.
14:09
Speaker 3: Police have now reclassified the death as a homicide. This
14:17
Speaker 3: isn't happening right now, Joe. Here we are in August
14:20
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty six. This happened in July of ninety three,
14:25
Speaker 3: and hers has been classified homicide. But Joe pulled back
14:31
Speaker 3: the wayback machine. Because Mabel died in nineteen seventy two,
14:37
Speaker 3: no investigation, no police reports, no ms, no nothing, just
14:40
Speaker 3: taking the hospital by her husband where she was declared dead.
14:45
Speaker 3: Something happened in twenty fifteen, and police in Louisville, Kentucky,
14:52
Speaker 3: they got some information and it wasn't They won't tell
14:56
Speaker 3: us what it is. But Joseph Scott Morgan the information
15:00
Speaker 3: that the Louisville Police Department got about the death of
15:04
Speaker 3: Mabel Bridges in nineteen seventy two. By twenty fifteen, it
15:07
Speaker 3: was enough for a judge to open it up. We're
15:11
Speaker 3: gonna have to take a second, look at Mabel and
15:15
Speaker 3: see what happened. And you know what they did, Joe.
15:17
Speaker 3: They got her body out of the ground. How many
15:20
Speaker 3: years is that? From twenty fifteen to seventy two you're
15:22
Speaker 3: talking about twenty eight and fifteen, so thirty eight forty
15:26
Speaker 3: three years, forty three years Mabel Bridges was in the
15:30
Speaker 3: ground and they get a tip and they go and
15:35
Speaker 3: exhume her body and they change the ruling from accidental
15:42
Speaker 3: death to homicide. Joseph Scott Morgan, you're going to prove
15:49
Speaker 3: to all of us why you are the greatest in
15:51
Speaker 3: your profession, why you recalled the professor, Because this makes
15:56
Speaker 3: no sense to me, and I need you need some
16:00
Speaker 3: explaining if you can handle.
16:02
Speaker 2: It, well, I'll try to explain as best I can.
16:06
Speaker 2: But before I do that, I gotta tell you what
16:10
Speaker 2: we're looking at. Right Here are two cases I'm not
16:14
Speaker 2: going to say seemingly innoculous, but when you see them
16:20
Speaker 2: on their surface and you think about there was something
16:23
Speaker 2: that made them rule these cases as an accidental to
16:27
Speaker 2: begin with, What force of nature is out there that
16:33
Speaker 2: would compel them to change that ruling to homicide? Excumations
16:51
Speaker 2: are curious things. First off, it draws a crowd. I
17:02
Speaker 2: don't know, and I think it it. I think that
17:05
Speaker 2: in every exhamation I've ever been involved in, there were
17:09
Speaker 2: at least more than ten people standing around. And that's
17:14
Speaker 2: a minimum, okay, because you've got the workers, because you're
17:17
Speaker 2: going to have to if there's a slab on the ground,
17:21
Speaker 2: like a concrete slab that's got to come up, then
17:24
Speaker 2: you have to dig the back fill out, okay, and
17:28
Speaker 2: get down to the actual concrete crypt that's under the
17:35
Speaker 2: under the ground and you know has the lid on it.
17:38
Speaker 2: You know that's been inserted, and then of course the
17:40
Speaker 2: casketed body goes inside of that.
17:42
Speaker 3: So they have to look at because do they all
17:46
Speaker 3: have c do they do they all have that? Or
17:48
Speaker 3: is it where the is there a is there a
17:51
Speaker 3: part where they would just take the casket and put
17:53
Speaker 3: the casket in the dirt or.
17:56
Speaker 2: No, those cases have have happened over the years. We're
18:00
Speaker 2: actually cycling back to that now right because of there's
18:07
Speaker 2: this new move foot where people are not getting embalmed
18:11
Speaker 2: and they do biodegradable containers. I mean they're caskets, but
18:17
Speaker 2: they have a different feeling. So the body literally goes
18:21
Speaker 2: back into the earth and there's no preservative, you know,
18:26
Speaker 2: and so and years ago they had that same I've
18:29
Speaker 2: actually had to reflect. I actually had a case where
18:34
Speaker 2: we pulled back the top of the earth and the
18:37
Speaker 2: casket was in the ground and was collapsed and it
18:41
Speaker 2: was covered with chicken wire, which I was fascinated by.
18:46
Speaker 2: I know, And so you had bits of chicken wire everywhere.
18:49
Speaker 2: It's just it's super bizarre.
18:51
Speaker 3: I don't know, Okay, I didn't mean to derail that.
18:53
Speaker 3: I just was kind of curious because.
18:54
Speaker 2: I know that you never know what you're going to get.
18:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so but I do know that, you know,
19:00
Speaker 3: legitimate graveyards, they do actually keep a grid pattern. They
19:04
Speaker 3: know where everybody is and how deep and all that.
19:07
Speaker 3: They keep records of all that. Not because you're planning
19:10
Speaker 3: on exoming the body later, but there has to be
19:12
Speaker 3: proof if somebody did have the challenge, they've got to
19:14
Speaker 3: be able to find it. So uh, yeah, it'd be
19:17
Speaker 3: interesting that you've had to do that. And there I
19:19
Speaker 3: wonder why they had some of people standing around for real.
19:22
Speaker 3: I've seen the pictures. Yeah, every time, and.
19:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, every single time there's itraws a crowd. Yeah, it
19:28
Speaker 2: will draw a crowd for whatever reason. The workers obviously
19:32
Speaker 2: are there and they have a specific purpose. You can
19:34
Speaker 2: have law enforcement there.
19:36
Speaker 3: And they would have to be there, right, wouldn't police have.
19:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's kind of interesting. I've seen I've seen images.
19:44
Speaker 2: It sounds horribly self centered, but I've seen images of
19:47
Speaker 2: myself at exhamations where I'm I'm captured in the image
19:54
Speaker 2: as we're working to get the thing out of the
19:56
Speaker 2: ground and kind of guiding it along to get it
19:59
Speaker 2: on you, you know, to convey it and do all
20:01
Speaker 2: that stuff, and then going back if you've got a
20:03
Speaker 2: grave that's collapsed in any way, there's elements that you
20:07
Speaker 2: want to try to collect and it does draw crowd,
20:10
Speaker 2: and trust me, many times there's non essential personnel that
20:14
Speaker 2: are there. You know, a LOOKI lose you hear me
20:18
Speaker 2: use that term a lot that I robbed from my
20:21
Speaker 2: northern friends, and I love the term because it just really,
20:27
Speaker 2: you know, it's like rubberneckers, you know, at you know,
20:31
Speaker 2: going down the highway in an accident, you have LOOKI
20:34
Speaker 2: lows that are at crime scenes. You'll have them at
20:36
Speaker 2: exhamations like this too. But yeah, so that's a long time.
20:42
Speaker 2: I mean, you're talking about nineteen seventy two where someone
20:46
Speaker 2: is placed in the ground, and you know, the big
20:50
Speaker 2: thing here is to try to understand, you know, what
20:53
Speaker 2: in the world could they have been looking for and
20:57
Speaker 2: how intact I think that would be a question. How
21:00
Speaker 2: intact could her remains be.
21:02
Speaker 3: That's the big question I have for you, Joe. I
21:04
Speaker 3: was looking at that, and again you're talking over forty
21:06
Speaker 3: years and you know, and I think you're the one
21:10
Speaker 3: that told me about when they involved like Lee Harvey
21:13
Speaker 3: Oswald and you know, people that are involved in huge,
21:16
Speaker 3: famous crimes like that, that great care is taken. And
21:20
Speaker 3: I wonder what type of care is taken on a
21:23
Speaker 3: thirty three year old woman who dies without any investigation
21:28
Speaker 3: by police or nothing. I mean, it's just sad that
21:31
Speaker 3: she's gone. Let's take care of you know, And what
21:35
Speaker 3: kind of would there be any soft tissue? What could
21:38
Speaker 3: there be left that would allow the examiner to determine
21:43
Speaker 3: that her cause of death was now homicide forty three
21:47
Speaker 3: years after she was buried without any concern for homicide.
21:52
Speaker 2: My knee shirt, thank you, brother, You're right.
21:59
Speaker 3: That was my sign and I got it.
22:02
Speaker 2: My knee jerk is going to be going to the throat.
22:06
Speaker 2: First off, again, I'm going back to the great mystery
22:10
Speaker 2: of Mabel's death. By the way, I dig that name.
22:13
Speaker 2: I like Mabel, I like that term. I like that name.
22:17
Speaker 2: When you get into the body, I think that this
22:22
Speaker 2: is probably going to have to involve the bony structure.
22:24
Speaker 2: That's what I think. The big mystery with her, though,
22:27
Speaker 2: is that her case was in fact actually ruled as
22:31
Speaker 2: an accidental death. So I find it hard to believe
22:39
Speaker 2: in today's in context of today, okay, that anyone would
22:45
Speaker 2: be buried without having had an autopsy perform where the
22:50
Speaker 2: cause of death or the manner of death has in
22:53
Speaker 2: fact been ruled as an accident. I would want to
22:58
Speaker 2: look at the original desertific it because yeah, you can
23:02
Speaker 2: put accident on there all you want, but you have
23:06
Speaker 2: to have causal causal connection here, like the primary Like
23:11
Speaker 2: what's what are you looking at here to call this
23:15
Speaker 2: an accidental death, because it's more than just like the
23:18
Speaker 2: investigation by the police. Okay, follow me here, because if
23:23
Speaker 2: you're calling this an accidental death, guess who gets involved
23:27
Speaker 2: in this? Insurance companies and insurance companies don't like to
23:31
Speaker 2: pay out, you know. Welcome to the real world. All right,
23:36
Speaker 2: like a good neighbor. Yeah, you know, dig into it,
23:41
Speaker 2: you know. And so if they're gonna have to if
23:43
Speaker 2: this is an accidental death and she had life insurance, okay, okay,
23:48
Speaker 2: first off, I would want to go back in time,
23:51
Speaker 2: if that's even possible, to try to determine if this individual,
23:58
Speaker 2: the husband, received a pay out from this, because I
24:02
Speaker 2: can tell you I've worked with enough insurance companies and
24:05
Speaker 2: spoken with them and their investigators, their adjusters, and they
24:09
Speaker 2: will take autopsy reports and they'll say, what does this mean?
24:13
Speaker 2: Explain this to me so that I can understand it.
24:15
Speaker 2: How did you rule this as an accident? And is
24:18
Speaker 2: there any other connective tissue here that could make it
24:21
Speaker 2: something other than an accident? Because you know, they're a business.
24:25
Speaker 2: They don't want to pay out. They want to get
24:27
Speaker 2: the premiums, but they they don't want to pay out.
24:31
Speaker 2: So if her death is ruled as an accident, Brother Dave,
24:36
Speaker 2: I got questions about how how was there not an
24:41
Speaker 2: autopsy performed? Because she's very young. I mean, what'd you say,
24:44
Speaker 2: she's thirty five?
24:45
Speaker 3: Thirty three?
24:47
Speaker 2: My lord? Yeah, and we know that she just didn't
24:52
Speaker 2: fall over dead, you know, and that be ruled as
24:56
Speaker 2: an accident. There has to be some kind of contributing
24:58
Speaker 2: for so when they get in here and I'm glad
25:01
Speaker 2: that you brought this up, Yeah, there would still there
25:04
Speaker 2: would be something. Okay, Now I can't really address to
25:09
Speaker 2: what degree it would be there. Water is going to
25:13
Speaker 2: play a huge role in this case. So wherever she's buried,
25:19
Speaker 2: you have to understand the movement of water. You know,
25:22
Speaker 2: Louisville is it's not up in the mountains, Okay, Louisville
25:27
Speaker 2: is like near what is it the Ohio River or whatever.
25:30
Speaker 2: They get flooding in that area. So where's your where's
25:34
Speaker 2: your your cemetery or graveyard where she has been laid
25:40
Speaker 2: to rest? How many major floods have occurred over this
25:44
Speaker 2: period of time? Is there intrusion into the the casket
25:48
Speaker 2: it remains that has infect that has affected it. Because
25:52
Speaker 2: you can have a body inside of a casket day
25:55
Speaker 2: and the body will rise and fall with water intrusion
25:59
Speaker 2: in to the casket and the lid will never pop off.
26:02
Speaker 2: They'll just go up and down. They might lay in
26:05
Speaker 2: there and float until the water eventually drains out. Isn't
26:09
Speaker 2: that kind of disgusting? You know? To think about that.
26:12
Speaker 3: I can't that happening in around New Orleans.
26:14
Speaker 2: You know, well, yeah, that's why we bury our dead
26:16
Speaker 2: above ground. But even you know, if you look at
26:18
Speaker 2: Katrina right, there's not enough mausoleums to you could stab me.
26:25
Speaker 2: You could have one that's way way up in the air.
26:27
Speaker 2: You're gonna get water, okay, And not to mention the
26:30
Speaker 2: harsh conditions with all of that, but back to this case,
26:34
Speaker 2: was she floating in there? And what else was left?
26:39
Speaker 2: Because water is one of the most destructive forces on
26:41
Speaker 2: the face of the planet. I don't have to tell
26:43
Speaker 2: anybody that. And it's not just rushing water, it's the
26:45
Speaker 2: exposure to an aquatic environment. So that would be a
26:49
Speaker 2: big question for me. So what could be left? The
26:52
Speaker 2: upside is is if she's casketed and also inside of
26:57
Speaker 2: a crypt that's in the ground, you've got containment. So
27:02
Speaker 2: you pointed to your throat, I gotta ask you, what
27:06
Speaker 2: element of the throat? Are you thinking of?
27:08
Speaker 3: The highway bone? I'm that little bone that we talk
27:11
Speaker 3: about every time there's any kind of a strangling.
27:14
Speaker 2: That's a hanging curve ball man that lost it.
27:17
Speaker 3: Because I'm looking at this and I'm thinking okay, but
27:20
Speaker 3: you know what, there's something that really gets me because, look, man,
27:24
Speaker 3: after forty three years, yeah, to exhume this body, that
27:28
Speaker 3: again a very big deal, and even bigger when you
27:31
Speaker 3: come up with, well, yeah, we're not we're going to
27:34
Speaker 3: change this ruling, you know, from accident to homicide. Now
27:40
Speaker 3: forty three years after the fact, we're calling it a homicide.
27:44
Speaker 3: But by but, Joe, they did not, and I mean this,
27:49
Speaker 3: even though they changed the cause of death, they're yeah, man, death,
27:56
Speaker 3: even they change matter of death from accident to homicide, Joe,
28:00
Speaker 3: they did not immediately open up an investigation. That didn't
28:05
Speaker 3: happen until a few weeks ago that they just now
28:10
Speaker 3: got around to investigating this as a homicide. And so
28:16
Speaker 3: police have not said what tip they got. They caused
28:20
Speaker 3: them to be able to go in front of a
28:22
Speaker 3: judge and exhume this body and think about it, you
28:26
Speaker 3: have a pastor. By twenty I mean again, eleven years ago,
28:30
Speaker 3: that's how long it's been since they exhumed the body.
28:33
Speaker 3: And they've just now started the homicide investigation. It was
28:36
Speaker 3: ruled a homicide eleven years ago. They won't tell us
28:39
Speaker 3: the tip, but I'm guessing what it is Joe.
28:42
Speaker 2: What's that?
28:42
Speaker 3: Brother? Godbody called to the police and said, Hey, I
28:47
Speaker 3: always worried about my aunt, my cousin, my sister when
28:52
Speaker 3: she died she was thirty three, and I never liked
28:55
Speaker 3: her husband. You know what, his second wife died almost
28:58
Speaker 3: twenty years to the day, twenty one years to the after,
29:03
Speaker 3: and I think there's something to it, and maybe that's okay.
29:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, just so I have had this right in my mind. Yeah,
29:13
Speaker 2: we might not be dealing here with merely physical findings
29:18
Speaker 2: on the remains. These could be confirmatory findings based upon
29:24
Speaker 2: circumstantial information the police are. I guess it's circumstantial information
29:29
Speaker 2: they've come into by somebody dropping a dime on somebody
29:33
Speaker 2: and saying, hey, you know what, I've got to tell
29:35
Speaker 2: you something. You know, this has never felt right to me, right,
29:40
Speaker 2: And you know, maybe they've come into the knowledge. Suddenly
29:43
Speaker 2: you lose a loved one, And I think a lot
29:45
Speaker 2: of our friends can identify with this. You lose that
29:49
Speaker 2: loved one that has meant so much to you throughout
29:51
Speaker 2: your life. That's kind of a watershed moment in your life.
29:57
Speaker 2: It is for me, I know. And then when you
30:00
Speaker 2: move on with your life from that, Okay, you don't
30:03
Speaker 2: necessarily you might go back and you'll grieve and you'll
30:05
Speaker 2: think about it, But all the other principles that you
30:08
Speaker 2: were connected to, say, per your loved one, maybe you're
30:13
Speaker 2: a nephew or a niece, maybe a sister or whatever.
30:17
Speaker 2: You lose track of that person. They that are connected
30:22
Speaker 2: to them, maybe by marriage, move on with their lives.
30:25
Speaker 2: Sometimes they move on all the way to Oregon. Dave
30:42
Speaker 2: mac I was thinking about what else could they have
30:47
Speaker 2: found with Mabel, And for me, I'm thinking, well, if
30:52
Speaker 2: there was some kind of agent that was used, some
30:55
Speaker 2: kind of poison, I don't know, unless it's some kind
30:59
Speaker 2: of heavy metal that might have set in the hair
31:03
Speaker 2: or the nail beds, I don't know back in seventy two. Also,
31:09
Speaker 2: here's another complicating factor. You know, the formula for embalming
31:14
Speaker 2: has changed.
31:15
Speaker 3: Oh no, I didn't know that.
31:17
Speaker 2: There were some really toxic things that were that were utilized,
31:24
Speaker 2: and I can't remember when that change took over. Yeah,
31:28
Speaker 2: So even even if you've got some kind of poisoning agent,
31:31
Speaker 2: which I know, you know, because our friends are pretty
31:34
Speaker 2: bright folks that follow our show, they're thinking, they're probably
31:39
Speaker 2: thinking about this as well as well, you should would
31:43
Speaker 2: there be any evidence of that? You know, could we
31:46
Speaker 2: because there's not gonna any blood you know, you're not
31:48
Speaker 2: gonna be able to do a blood draw. This is
31:50
Speaker 2: good that would rely solely on tissue exact would Yeah,
31:56
Speaker 2: you'd be surprised in a post warm state how resilient
32:01
Speaker 2: hair is. It will hang around long after. I was
32:07
Speaker 2: actually involved in the exclamation of a lady that was
32:09
Speaker 2: born in Antebellum times and I think the eighteen fifties
32:16
Speaker 2: and Dave, when we got her body out of the ground,
32:21
Speaker 2: she was eighteen years old and she had black hair
32:25
Speaker 2: that was this long, still braided. Wow. And I'm talking
32:31
Speaker 2: about raven black and had a comb, a decorative comb
32:38
Speaker 2: in her hair made out of whalebone, and you could
32:40
Speaker 2: still see every inch of her hair. And she died
32:43
Speaker 2: in the eighteen fifties. Isn't that something? Wow?
32:45
Speaker 3: Well, in this case where we're dealing with, as you're
32:49
Speaker 3: talking about, with Mabel having passed away in nineteen seventy two,
32:53
Speaker 3: taken to the hospital by her husband, no investigation, know nothing,
32:57
Speaker 3: time goes by. In twenty fifteen, police get some type
33:00
Speaker 3: of a tip that makes them go in front of
33:02
Speaker 3: a judge exoomed the body and find out Nope, this
33:05
Speaker 3: was not an accident, this is a homicide. But no
33:09
Speaker 3: investigation from there. Then you go back to and I
33:12
Speaker 3: believe this was the part that got it.
33:14
Speaker 2: Now.
33:14
Speaker 3: Remember here, John Bridges. You said this at the beginning
33:17
Speaker 3: of the show. John Bridges has been married five times.
33:21
Speaker 3: Four of his wives are dead. He is currently married
33:24
Speaker 3: to his fifth wife and they live in Missouri. You
33:27
Speaker 3: know why I know that, please, because they went and
33:32
Speaker 3: visited John at eighty six years old, and they being
33:36
Speaker 3: the Gresham, Oregon police, they're the ones that got everything
33:39
Speaker 3: really moving forward now and they're the ones that are
33:43
Speaker 3: investigating Asterid Bridges the second wife's death in ninety three.
33:48
Speaker 3: One of the neighbors is still lives there, Joe, on
33:50
Speaker 3: the same street in Gresham, Oregon. She didn't give her name,
33:53
Speaker 3: but she lived there in the early eighties, all through
33:57
Speaker 3: the time when the Bridges moved in and after the
34:01
Speaker 3: passing of Astrid, and the rumor in the neighborhood was
34:05
Speaker 3: that John Bridge's first wife died by drowning in the bathtub.
34:11
Speaker 3: That was the rumor running around the neighborhood. But there
34:15
Speaker 3: was amongst the neighbors and those who knew John and Astrid.
34:20
Speaker 3: There was concern that her death was not an accident.
34:25
Speaker 3: It just didn't seem right that she could be working
34:28
Speaker 3: on a ladder outside on her own and fall and
34:31
Speaker 3: that John would be the one to find her and
34:33
Speaker 3: bring her inside. It just didn't make sense. But there
34:37
Speaker 3: wasn't enough there for them to go on. So when
34:40
Speaker 3: an investigation stops, okay, you know that they've ruled she passed,
34:43
Speaker 3: it was an accident. She's in the ground. What does
34:46
Speaker 3: it really take to start an investigation years later? Because
34:52
Speaker 3: in both of these cases, you know, it was forty
34:56
Speaker 3: three years in the case of Mabel in twenty fifteen
35:00
Speaker 3: when they exhumed her body, but then it laid there
35:03
Speaker 3: again after all that time, changing the cause of the
35:06
Speaker 3: manner of death to homicide and then nothing. Well, they
35:09
Speaker 3: just reopened that case and it came at the same
35:12
Speaker 3: time as Asterid Bridges. Both of these cases are back
35:15
Speaker 3: in the news at the same time, and I believe
35:19
Speaker 3: they're feeding on one another. Joe, and I'm glad you
35:22
Speaker 3: know nothing hid won't be revealed. And I believe that
35:26
Speaker 3: as the investigators in Oregon, it was just sitting there
35:29
Speaker 3: on their head, going something's not right. And I think
35:33
Speaker 3: family or friends, somebody was picking out of the phone,
35:35
Speaker 3: somebody in the church, maybe somebody not happy about a
35:39
Speaker 3: pastor having five wives and four of them being dead.
35:43
Speaker 2: Boy. Yeah, I mean, what an anomalous thing, you know.
35:47
Speaker 2: I it's amazing to me when I do genealogy and
35:51
Speaker 2: I'll see, you know, my ancestors that were married three
35:53
Speaker 2: and four times, and when you look back at the roles,
35:56
Speaker 2: you'll see that many times the spouse is of some
36:00
Speaker 2: kind of horrible disease. But that that was back during
36:03
Speaker 2: that time, with that medicine they had to have. You know,
36:07
Speaker 2: it's almost like women dying in childbirth. That happened a
36:10
Speaker 2: lot back then. You don't hear about it now. I mean,
36:13
Speaker 2: it does happen. It can be wrong, it does, but
36:16
Speaker 2: with it's great frequencies that happened last you've got yeah,
36:19
Speaker 2: and good you've got you've got four dead now yeah. Uh,
36:24
Speaker 2: that's going to raise that's going to raise suspicions. And
36:26
Speaker 2: I agree, I think that it is feeding off of this.
36:30
Speaker 2: And when we think about Astroid, you know, they're talking
36:32
Speaker 2: about her her death being ruled an accidental death. Okay, so,
36:40
Speaker 2: and we're talking blunt force trauma here.
36:44
Speaker 3: The accident was falling from a ladder. How hard and
36:47
Speaker 3: how high do you have to fall to die after
36:49
Speaker 3: falling off a ladder?
36:49
Speaker 2: Joe. I have had people that have fallen from uh.
36:55
Speaker 2: I had one guy that fell and broke his neck.
36:59
Speaker 3: That was clean is gutters, oh man?
37:02
Speaker 2: Yeah? But he hit on a concrete surface as he
37:06
Speaker 2: was falling back. I've had several cases of people falling
37:09
Speaker 2: off roofs, single story structures, but I've had people that
37:15
Speaker 2: have survived falling from three stories everything. This is when
37:19
Speaker 2: it comes to falls. These are some of the elements
37:23
Speaker 2: that come into play. First off, what's the impact surface?
37:27
Speaker 2: Because you know, hitting on a patch of Saint Augustine
37:31
Speaker 2: or centipede grass ain't the same as hitting on a
37:35
Speaker 2: concrete sidewalk or an asphalt driveway. All right, I think
37:38
Speaker 2: that we can both agree on that. So the impact
37:41
Speaker 2: surface is going to going to come into play. And
37:45
Speaker 2: also the physical attitude of the individual as they're falling
37:49
Speaker 2: through space. What exposed areas do you have? I mean,
37:55
Speaker 2: just think about it. How many times have you and
37:57
Speaker 2: I been walking along and we lip right, you slip
38:01
Speaker 2: and you don't you know your arms or all of kimbo,
38:05
Speaker 2: and you don't know where you're going to wind up
38:08
Speaker 2: at any moment time you say you know, Jesus take
38:11
Speaker 2: the wheel, you know, because you don't know where you're
38:15
Speaker 2: going to wind up, dude. And and so if you're
38:19
Speaker 2: falling through space, it's not like you've your precision diver
38:23
Speaker 2: off of a dive board. Right. Some people land on
38:27
Speaker 2: their feet are cats, you know. Some people land on
38:29
Speaker 2: their shoulders. Some people land don't you know, hit impact
38:34
Speaker 2: on their ribs as their arm is raised, and they
38:36
Speaker 2: wind up dying of a flailed chest because their lungets punctured.
38:39
Speaker 2: So you never can't tell. Here's the thing, though, nineteen
38:42
Speaker 2: ninety three, you know there's a state. Let me get
38:46
Speaker 2: this straight. This was an Oregon state of Oregon, if
38:51
Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken. They have a state in Medical Examiner's
38:54
Speaker 2: office there. As a matter of fact, I don't think
38:58
Speaker 2: that they're any longer Horner state if you. And she's
39:02
Speaker 2: relatively young as well. She's in her forties in my.
39:05
Speaker 3: Forty three, Yeah she's forty three.
39:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's forty three, ten years older than the first wife, right,
39:10
Speaker 2: but still very young.
39:12
Speaker 3: Actually, it's funny when you look at it this way, Joe. Yeah,
39:16
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy two Joyce, the first wife was thirty
39:19
Speaker 3: three when she died. Yeah, twenty years later, John Bridge
39:23
Speaker 3: is married to a woman who is ten years younger
39:25
Speaker 3: than his first wife, and she's ten years older when
39:29
Speaker 3: she dies at forty three. Both happened the first week
39:34
Speaker 3: of July and separated by twenty one years seventy two
39:39
Speaker 3: to ninety three Holy Sea. Whereas in the first case
39:42
Speaker 3: of Joyce, you know, we did have the exhimation. Where
39:45
Speaker 3: the tip Again, they won't tell us who, what, when
39:50
Speaker 3: where with the tip. Just we got a tip. Had
39:52
Speaker 3: to be a pretty strong tip to go in front
39:54
Speaker 3: of a judge, and the judge they dig her up.
39:56
Speaker 3: In Astridge case, they didn't happen, Joe. In the case
39:59
Speaker 3: of Astrak Bridges, they opened up the case and looked
40:02
Speaker 3: at what they had and based on the evidence they
40:05
Speaker 3: had and follow up interviews, investigators dug in and it
40:10
Speaker 3: got reclassified. How difficult is that to go from an
40:13
Speaker 3: accidental death to a homicide without re examining the body.
40:18
Speaker 2: Well, and here's what I'm interested in and what I
40:22
Speaker 2: was saying. The state because she's so young, she's forty three,
40:25
Speaker 2: she falls off a ladder, or that's what's being alleged.
40:29
Speaker 2: I don't see any circumstance, certainly in my universe, where
40:35
Speaker 2: I'm signing that body out and the body is not
40:37
Speaker 2: going to be examined a by a forensic pathologists. Okay,
40:40
Speaker 2: because understand it's not just homicides that we do. We
40:45
Speaker 2: do all five manners will roll in because, particularly the
40:50
Speaker 2: trauma case, you're not going to get there. Do you
40:52
Speaker 2: know that if she had a private physician, Okay, all right,
40:57
Speaker 2: and the private physician, let's just say she went to
40:59
Speaker 2: go get her part medication refilled every time and she's
41:04
Speaker 2: getting six month check up, right. Did you know if
41:06
Speaker 2: it's a trauma relay death, private physician cannot sign the
41:09
Speaker 2: death certificate.
41:11
Speaker 3: No, I didn't know that. Yeah, I assume they'll.
41:14
Speaker 2: Know it'll be rejected immediately. The state will reject it
41:17
Speaker 2: if you're not a corner or medical examiner. Private physician
41:22
Speaker 2: cannot sign the death certificate. And I think that that's
41:26
Speaker 2: pretty uniform all over the country. And it makes sense,
41:29
Speaker 2: right if you're treating and most people die of natural disease.
41:32
Speaker 2: The reason I know this is that part of our
41:34
Speaker 2: job at the Medical Examiner's office is trying to coax
41:38
Speaker 2: a private physician to sign a death certificate. It's amazing
41:42
Speaker 2: how many want even though they send patients home with
41:45
Speaker 2: sacks and sacks and medications. I have no idea. I
41:48
Speaker 2: wasn't there when they died. I can't sign the death
41:51
Speaker 2: You weren't there when they were born either, But you're
41:53
Speaker 2: treating them now, aren't you. And so a private physician.
41:57
Speaker 2: Private physician can't sign on a trauma related death certificate.
42:02
Speaker 2: So this body had to have been viewed by the
42:05
Speaker 2: medical examiner at some point in time. I'm hoping they
42:08
Speaker 2: did an autopsy at that particular time. And when you
42:11
Speaker 2: say this ruling has been changed, this is very important
42:16
Speaker 2: because the medical examiner would have to be involved in
42:19
Speaker 2: this now because they would have to go to the
42:23
Speaker 2: medical examiner and say, because let me show you what
42:26
Speaker 2: we've got, all right, they would have to compel, or
42:31
Speaker 2: they can't necessarily compel. They would suggest, all right, okay,
42:37
Speaker 2: probably need to look at this. This needs to be
42:39
Speaker 2: reclassified as a homp side. They've come into other information,
42:43
Speaker 2: but they haven't exhumed her body though, have they.
42:46
Speaker 3: No the Medical Examiner's office. They reinvestigated the case, and
42:52
Speaker 3: it was the Medical Examiner's office based on all of
42:55
Speaker 3: the information they collected, and they reclassified her death as
43:00
Speaker 3: a homicide. The change in that from accidental to homicide,
43:08
Speaker 3: of course, has reopened the case, and that's what has
43:11
Speaker 3: led to this. The reason we're doing the story now
43:14
Speaker 3: is because it was Astrid's case in Gresham, Morgan that
43:18
Speaker 3: led the investigators to John Bridge's home with his first
43:23
Speaker 3: his fifth wife now in Missouri at eighty six years old.
43:26
Speaker 3: He's a retired preacher, married and they went and interviewed him,
43:31
Speaker 3: interviewed his fifth wife. And by the way, those Gresham,
43:34
Speaker 3: Oregon officers, Joe showed up with a search warrant. Now
43:38
Speaker 3: I'm going to guess they were getting everything from DNA
43:43
Speaker 3: to whatever. But something's afoot here and there are rumors
43:49
Speaker 3: about wives three and four. I do not know. We
43:52
Speaker 3: don't play the rumor game. I'm just telling you that
43:54
Speaker 3: if you see information about numbers three and four, there
43:59
Speaker 3: is nothing confirmed these two cases of wife number one
44:02
Speaker 3: and wife number two. And if you're a family member,
44:04
Speaker 3: please understand not being disrespectful. I'm just trying to keep
44:07
Speaker 3: things in their proper order. But you've got Joyce who
44:12
Speaker 3: went by Mabel and Astrid, two women who were very
44:16
Speaker 3: young when they died. Both ruled accidental, both changed to homicide.
44:22
Speaker 3: And here we sit Joe, both cases are active. By
44:25
Speaker 3: the way, the Louisville Police Department is asking for help.
44:30
Speaker 3: They're asking the community two. Wow, yes, and think about
44:35
Speaker 3: that Joe, because at seventy two, she dies, twenty fifteen,
44:38
Speaker 3: they'd get her body up and then is now in
44:40
Speaker 3: the last few weeks that now they're investigating it as
44:43
Speaker 3: a homicide. Something wondering.
44:45
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if it's a possibility that Astra is going
44:49
Speaker 2: to be exhumed. I mean, the emmy has already changed it.
44:53
Speaker 2: So wow, what because I can't imagine in any universe
44:58
Speaker 2: where the medical exis and are just of their own
45:01
Speaker 2: volition says I'm going to change this without having the
45:05
Speaker 2: police come and visit them. Because the me is they've
45:09
Speaker 2: moved so far on down the line from a nineteen
45:11
Speaker 2: ninety three case. They're handling cases right now and something
45:16
Speaker 2: has come to them that has this is a huge
45:21
Speaker 2: change for a medical examiner to decide to do this.
45:24
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's pretty amazing, you know when you
45:27
Speaker 2: think about it, And we still don't know, correct me,
45:32
Speaker 2: We still don't know the names of the other two
45:34
Speaker 2: deceased wives at this point.
45:35
Speaker 3: In time, don't haven't confirmed yet. However, I do know
45:39
Speaker 3: that one of the wives he was with was in Arkansas.
45:43
Speaker 2: In Arkans, Yeah, that's he had made a pastoral stop
45:47
Speaker 2: in Arkansas. I think he had a church there.
45:49
Speaker 3: He did, and I think he had teachers in Arkansas,
45:52
Speaker 3: but I know he had one. But that's the thing
45:54
Speaker 3: we're trying to get. I'm still working on this case.
45:56
Speaker 3: We wanted to come on with it now because it
45:58
Speaker 3: is happening now and they're asking for how and so
46:01
Speaker 3: from the standpoint of if you somebody you know in
46:04
Speaker 3: your family lived around Louisville back in the early seventies
46:08
Speaker 3: and knew or was a part of the Seventh Day
46:10
Speaker 3: Adventished Church, or if you were in Gresham, Oregon in
46:13
Speaker 3: the early nineties, you gotta the help man. There's information
46:18
Speaker 3: out here. These homicides have been far too long overlooked.
46:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, they really haven't. They are homicide now. Look, I
46:29
Speaker 2: don't know if John Bridges had anything to do with this.
46:31
Speaker 2: Nobody has been arrested. He has been but he.
46:34
Speaker 3: Has been named a suspect. He has been named the suspect.
46:38
Speaker 3: And the death of Asterroid not in Joyce.
46:40
Speaker 2: So we've got that hanging out there. Trust me, please
46:45
Speaker 2: believe me if you hear you don't believe anything else
46:47
Speaker 2: I've said today. There's so much work going on behind
46:51
Speaker 2: scenes right now that we can't even begin to calculate it.
46:53
Speaker 2: All right, because you've got Louisville and play, You've got
46:59
Speaker 2: Oregon Place, and I bet you dollars to donuts that
47:06
Speaker 2: folks in Arkansas have felt the heat being turned up
47:10
Speaker 2: on them. They're going to be doing a deep dive
47:12
Speaker 2: in that corner state of Arkansas, and they're going to
47:16
Speaker 2: be going back and looking at records there and see
47:19
Speaker 2: if there was anything else that was suspicious. I got
47:22
Speaker 2: to tell you, brother Dave, this is certainly an intriguing
47:26
Speaker 2: cluster of deaths here, and for our part, we're going
47:31
Speaker 2: to continue to probe into this and keep an eye
47:34
Speaker 2: on it and see which way the proverbial wind might
47:38
Speaker 2: be blowing. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is Body
47:45
Speaker 2: Backs