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Creating Joy Through our Dreams · The Joy Jolt Podcast

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  SPEAKER_00: Well, hello everyone, and welcome to the podcast for this week, The Joy Jolt podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: My name is Natalie Ledwell,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I am still flying solo while Susie and her husband are having fun in Croatia
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  SPEAKER_00: and having a fabulous time.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I am being joined this week by my very good friend, Kelly Sullivan-Wallman.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hello, Kelly.
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  SPEAKER_00: How are you, darling?
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  SPEAKER_01: Hello, Natalie.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's so fun to be with you and do this Substack Live.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, this is your first one, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: No, it's my first one as a guest.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've done, I've dabbled a little on my own, but it's kind of always very messy.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm learning from you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Great.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, we have more joy and fun when we do it together.
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  SPEAKER_01: So yes, that's true.
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  SPEAKER_01: And my motto has been bless the mess,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know, and it's, and it's all PS and it's always a mess.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's varying degrees, I think.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you will find Kelly here on Substack as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Kelly Sullivan Walden is where you'll find her.
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  SPEAKER_00: She is a multiple author, bestselling author.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Druma Festing is her brand.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's her modality.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's her way of helping us to connect with our joy and to create life that The way
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  SPEAKER_00: that we would like it, but through the messages and the power of our dreams.
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  SPEAKER_00: So just walk us through how that works.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, first of all, I just,
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  SPEAKER_01: I loved that you said messages of dreams and I just thought the messiness of
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  SPEAKER_01: the messages.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm just, I'm kind of in the mess of it all.
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  SPEAKER_01: And,
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  SPEAKER_01: and dream work is really about wordplay playing Playing with the words and looking
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  SPEAKER_01: at them and taking a pause.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's something about dream work that has us think symbolically
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  SPEAKER_01: and has us not take things so literally.
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  SPEAKER_01: And maybe one way of being in the problem is being in the concreteness of things.
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  SPEAKER_01: Being in the black and whiteness of things and the tangibility of things.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I call it the minutia.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're in the weeds, in the minutia.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, in the thick of thin things.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the moment we think symbolically, even playing with the words or thinking...
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, a window.
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  SPEAKER_01: When a door closes, a window opens.
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  SPEAKER_01: Even just thinking symbolically,
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  SPEAKER_01: we literally are shifting from our limbic brain,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is like our caveman survival brain,
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  SPEAKER_01: to our prefrontal cortex,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is much more creative and much more able to think in loftier,
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  SPEAKER_01: more visionary ways.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's more possibilities in that.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I like to It's become my practice.
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know it was going to become my practice,
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  SPEAKER_01: but it has to think about a dream and carry at least one from the night before
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  SPEAKER_01: into my life.
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  SPEAKER_01: If my dog wakes me up,
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  SPEAKER_01: if a siren wakes me up,
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  SPEAKER_01: then I grab a dream from another day and I just kind of carry it around
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  SPEAKER_01: with me like it's my invisibility cloak.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I let that dream inform me and guide me like the dream I'm carrying
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  SPEAKER_01: with me today is a dream.
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  SPEAKER_01: That I had actually a while ago, but it's been coming back to me lately.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's like it wants to be known.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's a dream where my I call it the mermaid throne.
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  SPEAKER_01: There was a book out called The Mermaid Chair.
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  SPEAKER_01: But in my dream,
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  SPEAKER_01: there was this lavish,
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  SPEAKER_01: beautiful seaweed,
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  SPEAKER_01: jewel encrusted throne at the bottom of the ocean with this very mossy, mushy seat.
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  SPEAKER_01: I can still feel the smush of like sitting on it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the magic of sitting in this throne,
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't need to give you the whole context of the story around it.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was the most special part of the dream.
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  SPEAKER_01: But sitting in that throne on the bottom of the ocean floor, I could breathe down there.
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  SPEAKER_01: And all the troubles were like little waves that were at the top of the ocean
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  SPEAKER_01: that just kind of fluttered above me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't need to concern myself with those.
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  SPEAKER_01: There was this depth,
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  SPEAKER_01: treasures at the bottom,
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  SPEAKER_01: the whales, the sea creatures, and this peace that passes human understanding.
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  SPEAKER_01: Today, it's a hot day in Southern California, so I'm thinking very watery today.
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  SPEAKER_01: That dream is making me feel cool and it's bringing me to a place of,
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  SPEAKER_01: it might not sound like a joy lives at the bottom of the ocean floor,
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  SPEAKER_01: but there's for sure a lack of drama down there.
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  SPEAKER_01: And in the lack of drama, there's an openness to the joy, to the jewels.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's a long-winded way of answering your question.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, all right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I have, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: I have so many questions because for example,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know, because I think that dreams don't always seem to make sense or linear.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do they always mean something or is it just sometimes sort of floating around
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  SPEAKER_00: in your subconscious?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's, it depends on the lens we're looking at them through.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if we,
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  SPEAKER_01: for example,
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  SPEAKER_01: I lived in Japan,
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  SPEAKER_01: I lived in France,
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  SPEAKER_01: I lived in In Spain and those countries, I didn't know the language of those places.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I could have easily said, oh, those people aren't saying anything.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they're just going, you know, but then you learn the language a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're like, oh my God, they're actually saying something.
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  SPEAKER_01: These people are having conversations.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so it's dreams speak a language.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I would dare say it's our first language.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's our most primal language and it's the language that is universal.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's the language that was written on the cave walls.
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  SPEAKER_01: So every dream is saying something.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some dreams are saying more than others.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some dreams are certainly bigger than others.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I think every single dream has wisdom, is coded in wisdom, dripping in wisdom.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so what happens if you're having these dreams that That you feel are a little angsty.
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  SPEAKER_00: I get a lot of those and they're exhausting.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, ugh.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well,
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  SPEAKER_01: think about how annoying it is to have an indicator light come up on your dashboard
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  SPEAKER_01: when you're driving that says, check your oil or the tire pressures.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like, ugh, that's annoying.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've got plans.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm doing things.
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  SPEAKER_01: But wouldn't you rather have that indicator light come on than to not have it?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a lot less...
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  SPEAKER_01: Trouble to pull over to the side of the road,
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  SPEAKER_01: go to the Pet Boys or wherever you go to check your engine or check whatever and
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  SPEAKER_01: then say, oh, wow, I needed a little oil or oh, I needed some water.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I needed some.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, having an angsty dream is saying, let's course correct, honey.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's let's work something out internally so that we don't have to do it externally.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm actually working on a book I've been threatening to work on for a long time.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the working title right now is The Lazy Girl's Guide to Spirituality.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think dream work is next to laziness, which is next to godliness.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's lazy to do dream work because we get so much more done in an efficient way.
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  SPEAKER_01: We don't have to be like Sisyphus and push boulders up hills all day long.
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  SPEAKER_01: So let's imagine we have an angsty dream where we're running,
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  SPEAKER_01: we're being chased,
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  SPEAKER_01: we're fighting with somebody and But if we take it seriously and we go, wow,
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  SPEAKER_01: maybe I need to send a note to that person or maybe I need
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  SPEAKER_01: to do some forgiveness work or maybe I do need to check my bank balance
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  SPEAKER_01: or maybe I need to do something and you do it and things are smoother.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's a much smoother way of things going rather than,
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  SPEAKER_01: oh, my God, my lights got turned off because I didn't pay attention to it.
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  SPEAKER_01: To the wisdom of that dream that was doing something very wise and helpful.
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  SPEAKER_01: But we often will say, uh, it was just a dream or that's so annoying.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just, it's as practical as an indicator light on your dashboard.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Cause I was, you know, I have just came through a very stressful time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, uh, but my dreams are stressful as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, okay, I need a rest at night.
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  SPEAKER_00: My reality is bad enough as it is.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's talk about that for a second.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I was on the news for a while talking about sleep working dreams
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  SPEAKER_01: that are just like this, where people are saying, I'm working hard all day long.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then all night long, I am still working.
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  SPEAKER_01: I need a break.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there's a solution to that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And here's a very simple, practical solution.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sometime before you go to bed, do a little journaling.
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  SPEAKER_01: And in your journaling,
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  SPEAKER_01: it could just be stream of consciousness journaling,
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  SPEAKER_01: but if you want to get down to it,
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  SPEAKER_01: you say, what's the list of the things I know I need to do tomorrow?
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  SPEAKER_01: So you kind of give yourself the list.
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  SPEAKER_01: So your subconscious mind sees that you don't have to think about that when you go
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  SPEAKER_01: to sleep tonight.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's like, you've already handled that.
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  SPEAKER_01: You already know you need to call the plumber.
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  SPEAKER_01: You already know that you need to call that new employee and have that conversation.
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  SPEAKER_01: You already know that consciously.
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  SPEAKER_01: So your dreams are like, oh, She got the message.
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  SPEAKER_01: We can do other things in the dream.
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  SPEAKER_01: We don't have to just focus on that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And here's the other little trick.
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  SPEAKER_01: Read something before you go to sleep that takes your brain somewhere else other
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  SPEAKER_01: than the practical.
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  SPEAKER_01: It could be a lovely spiritual book like The Alchemist or any new spiritual book.
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  SPEAKER_01: It could be Dreamafesting, for example.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is something that gives you a sense of like, oh, I want a dream now.
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  SPEAKER_01: One last thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: One last thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Also, you can do a gratitude list of 10 quick things that you're grateful for.
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  SPEAKER_01: Gratitude,
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  SPEAKER_01: going to sleep inside a grateful space brings you into a whole different series
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  SPEAKER_01: of dreams.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's been all kinds of studies and research on that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, back to that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because that was one of my questions.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's going to go, can we,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: if we're trying to get ourselves back to joy and to be in that frequency as often
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  SPEAKER_00: as possible, can we influence our dreams to be able to create them?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's interesting.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just did a workshop with my wonderful friend in this TV show I'm working on,
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  SPEAKER_01: Anthony Pietro Monaco.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a show about past lives.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm a hypnotherapist.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I do.
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  SPEAKER_01: So dream work, past life regression, they all kind of weave together.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I was talking about dreamafesting and how dreams,
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  SPEAKER_01: everybody was giving me what they thought dreams meant.
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  SPEAKER_01: And basically it's all very spiritual and kind of otherworldly.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then manifesting,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is the other part of dreamafesting,
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  SPEAKER_01: we talk about how it also can be magical, but it sometimes is of the ego.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like, I want the house.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want the car.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want the boyfriend.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want the status.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want these things.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they're sort of in opposition to that part of us,
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  SPEAKER_01: that spiritual part of us that doesn't give a crap.
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  SPEAKER_01: About those things.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like, I just want you to grow and glow and wake up to your magnificence.
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  SPEAKER_01: So sometimes dreams and manifesting can seem opposed to each other.
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  SPEAKER_01: However, there's a place where they intersect, where they can actually come together.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you think about what you want, and so let's do this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to be a guinea pig?
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you mind?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I would love to.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So just think of one thing that you want to have more of in your life on
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  SPEAKER_01: the very human, physical level.
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  SPEAKER_01: Plane, even on the ego plane, that's fine.
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  SPEAKER_01: The ego is not a bad word in my world.
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  SPEAKER_01: So give me one thing that you'd like the genie, I'm the genie, ding, I will bring to you today.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'd like more money.
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  SPEAKER_00: So do I need a specific amount?
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  SPEAKER_01: No, not for this necessarily.
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  SPEAKER_01: So go ahead, but think about, but you can think about what that number is.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you got it?
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I want you to step into your magic nation, that world between worlds.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I want you to imagine I am a genie and poof, boom, your wish has come true right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Take a breath.
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  SPEAKER_01: And notice, ooh, so for whoever's watching, just look at her.
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  SPEAKER_01: Look at the look on Natalie's face.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's like almost like.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ah, there's this peacefulness that I'm witnessing and like this does feel like a bubble of joy.
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  SPEAKER_01: But what are you feeling?
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  SPEAKER_01: What's different?
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm feeling like grounded confidence.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm feeling security.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm feeling freedom because I have choice.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm feeling excited because of the choices I can make now.
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  SPEAKER_00: If I've got that number.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So here's the interesting thing that you just proved for all of us is
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  SPEAKER_01: that those feelings,
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  SPEAKER_01: that grounded confidence,
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  SPEAKER_01: that freedom of choice,
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  SPEAKER_01: you just tapped into it so fully,
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  SPEAKER_01: so beautifully without necessarily checking your bank account,
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  SPEAKER_01: without checking to see if anything changed, like it was already here.
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  SPEAKER_01: The whole time, that feeling.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you dipped into it so easily.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you got there by imagining having that thing that you wanted.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that thing that you want is very important.
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  SPEAKER_01: So here's how you dream a fast.
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  SPEAKER_01: I talk about the ego goal and the soul goal.
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  SPEAKER_01: You just demonstrated them both.
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  SPEAKER_01: The ego goal is the money and the amount.
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  SPEAKER_01: The soul goal is that grounded confidence, freedom.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you think about both of those right on the edge of sleep, right before you go to sleep.
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  SPEAKER_01: You start with the low-hanging fruit of the ego goal because that's
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  SPEAKER_01: the easiest getting in place.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then you say, wow, if I had that already.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you let yourself be that fuzzy bottle of champagne.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let yourself feel that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then it's as if you're handing that feeling tone over to your dreams and saying,
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  SPEAKER_01: Show me how I can have more of this.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if it happens to be related to the money, then so be it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But maybe there's another way.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe there's a much better way.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the feeling is king or queen.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there's a C.S.
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  SPEAKER_01: Lewis quote that kind of speaks to this.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he said,
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  SPEAKER_01: Aim at heaven, you get earth thrown in.
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  SPEAKER_01: Aim at earth.
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  SPEAKER_01: You get neither.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wait, wait, repeat that again.
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  SPEAKER_01: Aim at heaven.
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  SPEAKER_01: You get earth thrown in.
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  SPEAKER_01: Aim at earth.
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  SPEAKER_01: You get neither.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So in other words,
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  SPEAKER_01: if we're simply focused on getting the thing we want,
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  SPEAKER_01: then often, even if we get it for a moment, We're in hell.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're not full of that joy,
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  SPEAKER_01: that grounded confidence,
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  SPEAKER_01: because there's this feeling of it slipping through our fingers.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this is my personal mythology.
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  SPEAKER_01: I align with C.S.
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  SPEAKER_01: Lewis on this, that it is a spiritual journey.
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  SPEAKER_01: Being on this planet is a spiritual journey.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're not just here to have the money.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're here to have that heavenly way of being.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then we get Earth thrown in.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: We get some of that or maybe all of it or maybe more of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the feeling tone is what attracts that to us.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's what we think about on the verge of sleep.
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  SPEAKER_01: We go to sleep with that on our mind, drenched in that.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: And then we wake up in the morning paying at least a tiny bit of attention
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: to what we were just dreaming about, even if it seems to make absolutely no sense.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: Even if it feels completely unrelated, we don't know that it is actually unrelated.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like the mermaid chair of mine.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: It gives me this feeling like every time I think about it, I feel grounded.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: I feel wealthy.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like I have the jewels of the ocean at my feet.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: So what an abstract thing to think about with regards to manifesting
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: the very practical things in my life.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: But it couldn't be more so.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's very practical, actually.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: I like that.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: I like that a lot.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know,
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_00: because,
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: you're talking a lot about feelings here and how,
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: and I know how like paramount and most important our feelings are,
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_00: especially when we're creating and manifesting and so forth.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: I was talking to a friend of mine on the weekend
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: and he was saying how he's got this plan and he's just got to grind it out for
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: a few more years at his job and then he'll retire and blah.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I go, I go, darling, what I hear you saying is that you're deferring your happiness.
• 17:20
  Yeah.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: I go, something,
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: what if something happens to you in the years of grinding and
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: then you never get there and you've just deferred your happiness?
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: And this is what I was thinking the other day, like joy isn't the goal that we try to attain.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: Joy is the point.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: Joy, it's the point.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: It is, we're meant to be feeling that now.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's like the have, do, be.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: You have to feel it now.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't work that way.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: You're not going to be happy when you're going to be happy now.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, exactly.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I can say that there is
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_01: a season for working hard.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: There's a season for reveling in the fruits of our labor.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: There's a season where there's nothing.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: There's a season of winter.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: And so there's been times in my life,
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: if I'm on a book deadline,
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm working all day long,
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: but I find moments then of joy, if not like hours of it, at least moments of it.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: Can I at least turn off the music for five minutes and dance around the house?
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: Or my dog is a source of pure joy.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: I can at least have her on my lap while I'm working.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: Or when my husband comes in, instead of being like, get out, I'm working.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: I can be like, let's have one big deep dish hug.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: And then I get right back to work.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: And then, hey, could you do dinner tonight?
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_01: I guess I can't.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: So just little moments of joy.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: And some people might swing the other direction.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: There's a friend of mine, we used to call her Aphrodite on the half shell.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, Aphrodite on the half shell calling.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like she was all too well-versed at being in joy, joy, joy.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: But then when it came time, like all of a sudden there was like, oh shit, I need money.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: And there was this like, like she hadn't prepared for it.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: So she had to go to the opposite extreme and be like, full Athena.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: If we're going to be in the Greek pantheon, we went from Aphrodite to Athena.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: Which was a hard shift for her.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: And the message,
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: I think,
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: is to have a little drop of Athena in our Aphrodite and a little drop of Aphrodite
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: in our,
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know,
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: drop a little bit of them in all of what we do, even if whatever the season may be.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I agree.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: Totally.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: Well, guys, we are going to head into now our deeper conversation.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you for joining us here.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: Our deeper conversation is for our paid subscribers.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: And we'll be talking specifically about what practices we can do on a daily basis
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: that,
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: leverages our dreams that can help us have these,
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: I call them like injections of joy throughout the day.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: We don't want to be feeling joy 100% of the time.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: Because we do, it's important for us to feel the full range of emotions.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: But we do want to make sure that we can marinate in joy whenever we want to,
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: because that's what helps us to raise above the minutiae,
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: to be able to see and be optimistic about what our future can hold.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: And it's only from that place that we can manifest it.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: So come and join us on the deeper conversation.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: Now, if you're listening to us on any other platform other than Substack,
• 20:47
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• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: You can find us at thejoyjolt.com.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: It'll take you to mine and Susan's main Substack page.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: And we give out lots of content.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: And our whole purpose is to help you find your way back to joy.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: So even if you're spending five minutes on Substack and you come across us
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: and we've got something that's going to raise your vibration
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: and elevate your emotions, that we've done our job for the day.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: So have a great week, everyone, and we'll see some of you back here for the deeper conversation.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: All right, everyone.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: Bye for now.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: Bye.