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PREGNANT MOM, 25, MISSING, FAMILY'S DESPERATE PLEA: WHERE'S EMMA? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a pregnant mom just twenty
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  Speaker 1: five years old, missing tonight. The family's desperate plea, Where's Emma.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Emma Bamba's mother. I would like my daughter home.
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  Speaker 2: You miss her.
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  Speaker 3: She's her Baby's need her, her family needs her.
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  Speaker 2: And if anybody knows anything.
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  Speaker 4: Or can help search for her, could you please help us?
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  Speaker 3: We need her home.
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  Speaker 1: That is Emma Baum's mother A desperate plea to bring
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  Speaker 1: Emma home. Emma nine months pregnant, dilated to one centimeter
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  Speaker 1: to our knowledge. That from our friends at ABC seven.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me right now on All Star panel. But first
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to go to Emma's mother, Jamie Baum. Jamie,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Also with Jamie is
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  Speaker 1: Emma's father, Jason Waddell and sister Abby. To all of you,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. I've just learned about
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  Speaker 1: Emma's disappearance.
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  Speaker 5: I'm very curious.
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  Speaker 1: I know that she's been gone several weeks at this point.
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  Speaker 1: But the first thing I want to do, Jamie is
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  Speaker 1: get her photo out there. Emma gorgeous, stunning inside and out.
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  Speaker 5: A real girly girl. She loved putting on makeup and
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  Speaker 5: dressing up.
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  Speaker 1: She loved different styles, wearing wigs, just everything fashion. Now,
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  Speaker 1: at nine months pregnant, seemingly has vanished straight back out
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  Speaker 1: to Jamie Baum. First of all, tell me about the pregnancy.
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  Speaker 1: Is it correct that she was at one centimeter when
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  Speaker 1: she goes missing?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, she was.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about her pregnancy. Has it been a difficult pregnancy?
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  Speaker 1: Has it been high risk? What can you tell me?
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm trying to imagine. Is she in some hospitals somewhere?
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  Speaker 5: Has she had the baby? But what is behind all
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  Speaker 5: of this? How do you just vanish at nine months pregnant?
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  Speaker 1: I could hardly walk at six months pregnant with twins,
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  Speaker 1: So how does a pregnant young she's just twenty five,
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  Speaker 1: a young woman just seemingly disappear.
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  Speaker 5: Tell me about her pregnancy.
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  Speaker 3: She she's had a good pregnancy, She's just dilated when
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  Speaker 3: she went. We tried to have her stay home, as
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  Speaker 3: she ended up going out.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, her children want to know, where's a mommy again?
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  Speaker 1: Joining me in All Star panel to make sense of
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  Speaker 1: what we know right now.
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  Speaker 4: But listen, we've all gathered here today because we are
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  Speaker 4: looking for my sister. She is one sentimeter dilated on
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  Speaker 4: October fourth. She has been missing since October ten. My
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  Speaker 4: sister is beautiful, She's energetic. She reaches for this guy
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  Speaker 4: just like a sunflower, which is her favorite.
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  Speaker 1: You're seeing that from our friends at ABC seven joining
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  Speaker 1: me in addition to Emma's mother Jamie, father Jason, and
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  Speaker 1: sister Abby. Lisette Dean is joining us host of Taste
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  Speaker 1: Files Chicago and you can find her at Tastes Files Chicago.
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  Speaker 5: Lisette, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Lisa, tell me about the area from which she goes missing.
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  Speaker 5: This is Gary, Indiana. Is it in the city? Is
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  Speaker 5: it the metropolitan area around the city.
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  Speaker 6: This is in the city, Nancy, It's in a more
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  Speaker 6: dilapidated area. We're talking about twenty fifth block of Connecticut Street,
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  Speaker 6: which there are a lot of empty buildings around. There's
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  Speaker 6: a lot of empty land and wooded area. Are you there,
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  Speaker 6: So it is, you know, part of the city.
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  Speaker 7: One of the concerns that.
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  Speaker 6: Is also very near our expressways here, and of course
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  Speaker 6: we're known as the crossroads of America in this area.
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  Speaker 6: So you know, the thought of maybe her, you know,
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  Speaker 6: being even gone on that highway is actually a concern too.
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  Speaker 5: You're absolutely correct. Listen to this.
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  Speaker 8: Emma Baum was last seen near twenty fifth Avenue in
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  Speaker 8: Connecticut Street, about two miles directly south of downtown Gary, Indiana.
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  Speaker 8: It's been described as a dismal and desolate area. Baum
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  Speaker 8: was visiting a home in the neighborhood. Her friends and
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  Speaker 8: family have been there scouring abandoned homes looking for her
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  Speaker 8: and for clues into her disappearance.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me in addition to the family analysta Gian Brian
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  Speaker 1: Fitzgibbons is with us Director Operations USPA Nationwide Security, leading
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  Speaker 1: a team of investigators specializing and finding missing people. You
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  Speaker 1: can find him at USPA security dot com. Brian, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us. I've got all sorts of
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  Speaker 1: thought colliding in my head regarding the disappearance of twenty
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  Speaker 1: five year old, nine month.
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  Speaker 5: Pregnant Emma Baum.
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  Speaker 1: Number one a case I'm sure you're very familiar with,
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  Speaker 1: and that is the case of Shasta and Dylan Gronie
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  Speaker 1: who go missing out of Cord Delane, Idaho. Why what
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  Speaker 1: does that have to do with Emma's disappearance? If you
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  Speaker 1: could control room, please show me that map again. If
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  Speaker 1: you look down at an aerial off cord delane, you
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  Speaker 1: see nothing but green, densely wooded trees.
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  Speaker 5: That's all you see. Running through that very rural area.
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  Speaker 1: Heavily forested is an interstate. What happened to these two children?
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  Speaker 1: A guy a perv driving down the interstate gets a
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  Speaker 1: glimpse of Shasta gronee about eleven years old, and little
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  Speaker 1: brother Dylan gets the glimp through the trees of them
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  Speaker 1: at an above ground pool. He goes and lies in
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  Speaker 1: wait kills the whole family to abduct the children, ultimately
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  Speaker 1: killing Dylan as well.
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  Speaker 5: Shasta lived.
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  Speaker 1: After our program broadcasts the photos, a woman in a
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  Speaker 1: convenience store spotted Shasta with her attacker and call.
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  Speaker 5: The tip line.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, the significance of that interstate cannot be emphasized enough,
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  Speaker 1: explain Brian.
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  Speaker 9: To have a main thoroughfare like that so close to
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  Speaker 9: where Emma was last seeing is very concerning because she
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  Speaker 9: could move at a high rate of speed to get
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  Speaker 9: away from that area. And complicating factor even further is
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  Speaker 9: the phone that she was holding at the time did
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  Speaker 9: not have service and connected.
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  Speaker 10: So even though it's yes, that's a.
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  Speaker 1: Whole another can of worms the cell phone issue.
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  Speaker 5: But Brian, just think about it.
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  Speaker 1: Sixty miles an hour if she was in a vehicle,
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  Speaker 1: that's how quickly she'd be gone. At one centimeter dilated
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  Speaker 1: just before her disappearance. Look at Emma five to three,
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty six pounds, nine months pregnant, brown hair,
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  Speaker 1: light brown hair, blondish hair and eyes, brown eyes.
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  Speaker 5: Tattoos you see one right there. Now.
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  Speaker 1: She loves to dress up and wear different colored wigs.
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  Speaker 1: That's just her. What is she wearing right now? We
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  Speaker 1: cannot project that there you see her and other shots
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  Speaker 1: you may see her with short, light brown hair.
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  Speaker 5: Just look at her face. If I could show her
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  Speaker 5: face again.
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  Speaker 1: And specifically, specifically, I want to see a show of
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  Speaker 1: that tattoo along her neck and collar bone, because regardless
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  Speaker 1: of how she's got her hair done, that is something
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  Speaker 1: that will not change. To Jamie, this is Emma's mom.
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  Speaker 1: What is that there? She is with the brown here
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  Speaker 1: with a brown wig. Well, Jamie, what is the tattoo?
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  Speaker 1: It looks like a sunrise?
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  Speaker 2: It is, Yes, it is a sunrise.
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  Speaker 1: Emma is a natural brunette, but often has her hair
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  Speaker 1: like this. Now the other case, I want to bring
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  Speaker 1: up Gee, Brian Fitzgibbons. We just heard Lizette Gien joining
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  Speaker 1: us from Case Files Chicago, talking about multiple abandoned homes
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  Speaker 1: in the area where she was last visiting friends. In
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  Speaker 1: that neighborhood, there are some abandoned homes, and it brings
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  Speaker 1: to mind a case that I covered extensively, the disappearance
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  Speaker 1: of a Leana Defreese, a schoolgirl on her way to school.
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  Speaker 1: Ultimately found she had been tortured. She was killed in
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  Speaker 1: an abandoned home. Brian fitz Gibbons. Police must go through
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  Speaker 1: every single abandoned home in that area, explain the danger.
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  Speaker 10: There's a lot of inherent danger there.
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  Speaker 9: First of all, Gary, Indiana is a dangerous place with
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  Speaker 9: all these abandoned homes. Nancy, you complicate search efforts, particularly
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  Speaker 9: for volunteers.
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  Speaker 10: Police need to.
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  Speaker 9: Get on the ground there in that vicinity of twenty
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  Speaker 9: fifth in Connecticut and start searching some of those abandoned
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  Speaker 9: properties immediately.
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  Speaker 5: How do you go about doing that?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is your expertise. You don't just drive
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  Speaker 1: by for Pete's sake. The problem I see with an
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  Speaker 1: abandoned home is that a victim can be taken in there.
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  Speaker 1: They can be raped, they can be murdered, they can
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  Speaker 1: be held hostage, and no one's going in and out.
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  Speaker 1: People stay away from abandoned homes. Who wants to get
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  Speaker 1: near it. You don't know what's in there. They're deemed unsafe,
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  Speaker 1: So people can be in there and nobody knows.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, the city should have access to these abandoned properties
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  Speaker 9: without needing a search warrant. In many cases they will
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  Speaker 9: indeed have that access, so I don't see that being
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  Speaker 9: an issue in this case.
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  Speaker 1: Another case that is startlingly similar is that of a
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  Speaker 1: young mom, a Memphis mom, Eliza Fletcher, outlining her own business.
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  Speaker 5: Eliza was jogging.
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  Speaker 1: Here, we have Emma innocently visiting a friend and she
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  Speaker 1: goes missing. Eliza goes missing, she was found in an
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  Speaker 1: abandoned home that no one thought to look in. I
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  Speaker 1: would advise some sort of a grid search at this point.
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  Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons, a grid search of this entire area.
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  Speaker 9: Absolutely, And it's listen, there are quite a few abandoned
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  Speaker 9: homes in that vicinity, but this is not a massive
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  Speaker 9: area around them. The place that she was last seeing,
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  Speaker 9: and we have to think if something did happen to her,
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  Speaker 9: she would have had to be moved very close by
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  Speaker 9: that she wouldn't have been moved too far away.
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  Speaker 1: To Abby Smith joining me. This is Emma's sister, along
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  Speaker 1: with mom Jamie. Abby, tell me about the phone, the
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  Speaker 1: phone that Emma had.
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  Speaker 4: Em I used a lot of the WIFEI data, so
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  Speaker 4: she should be able to connect to some sort of
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  Speaker 4: cell tower or some sort of area where we'd be
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  Speaker 4: able to determine whether or not that phone was moved.
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  Speaker 4: I thought her last message was at five point thirty
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  Speaker 4: two pm, and then she's just gone completely blank. We
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  Speaker 4: haven't had any contact. No one has said anything. We
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  Speaker 4: haven't come up no Facebook, no Snapchat, no like, no anything,
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  Speaker 4: and we have not found the phone.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on right there, right there, hold on, hold on,
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  Speaker 1: I've got a dissect.
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  Speaker 5: Everything you're saying, Abby is Emma's guys.
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  Speaker 1: Please help us, Please help us. The family contacted me.
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  Speaker 1: We read about the case online. I have seen no
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  Speaker 1: other media coverage of Emma's case. The family is desperate tonight,
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  Speaker 1: joining together, the dad, the mom, the.
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  Speaker 5: Sister, begging for help, begging for your help.
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  Speaker 1: I want to give you a couple of numbers. Right
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  Speaker 1: now here is a toll free number. It's one eight hundred,
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  Speaker 1: you tell us one eight hundred, eight eight three, five,
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  Speaker 1: five eight seven repeat one eight hundred, eight eight three, five,
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  Speaker 1: five eight seven.
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  Speaker 5: You can remain anonymous.
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  Speaker 1: You can remain anonymous one eight hundred you tell us
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  Speaker 1: eight eight three five five eighty seven. Or there is
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  Speaker 1: a detective work a detective working the case out of
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  Speaker 1: Lake County Homicide Detective Gordon two one nine seven five
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  Speaker 1: five three eight five five two one nine seven five
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  Speaker 1: five three eight five five.
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  Speaker 5: The mom and dad desperate, desperate for help.
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  Speaker 1: They have been out searching, they have been out putting
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  Speaker 1: up flyers. Won't you help us help them to Sister Abby?
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  Speaker 1: I want to understand a little bit more about her
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  Speaker 1: cell phone now.
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  Speaker 5: Was this a prepaid phone? You said she was using
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  Speaker 5: Wi Fi? Was she out of minutes? Help me understand
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  Speaker 5: what's happening. She is going to turn it on.
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  Speaker 4: I believe she was using the phone company Boost.
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  Speaker 2: Was it the Boost I Boost?
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  Speaker 4: So like it's one of the prepaid phones. She had
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  Speaker 4: no minutes, so she did actively use the WiFi. She
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  Speaker 4: would connect anywhere she could could so she could keep
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  Speaker 4: in contact with everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on just a second, Abby, you cut out on me,
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  Speaker 1: would you would you just start that over please, I
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  Speaker 1: need to hear every word. Was she using a prepaid phone, yes,
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  Speaker 1: through Boost Mobile? Okay, prepaid phone Boost Mobile. Had she
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  Speaker 1: run out as minutes yes, ma'am. Okay, So let me understand,
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  Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons, I don't have a prepaid phone.
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  Speaker 5: Explain to me how that works quickly.
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  Speaker 9: Whether your phone has minutes or not, it's still communicating
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  Speaker 9: to cell phone towers. Anybody who has an old phone
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  Speaker 9: knows you can still make an emergency call from it.
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  Speaker 9: It's not sending as much information, it's not going to
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  Speaker 9: be as precise, but that phone would have still been
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  Speaker 9: communicating with cell phone towers, urgent.
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  Speaker 1: Are you telling me, Brian that even though she was
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  Speaker 1: out of minutes, her phone could still be pinged.
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  Speaker 10: That is correct, Nancy, That's what I.
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  Speaker 5: Was getting at.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry to cut you off, Abby, but that's what
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to find out to Hey, with the prepaid
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  Speaker 1: minutes and the blaw and the blaw, I want to
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  Speaker 1: get a ping. I want a ping on this phone.
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  Speaker 1: So do you bel leave Abby? She had simply run
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  Speaker 1: out of minutes? Was the phone cut off or was
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  Speaker 1: the phone dead? At a battery because the prepaid aspect
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  Speaker 1: is irrelevant.
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  Speaker 5: According to Fitzgibbons.
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  Speaker 4: Well, like you said, she was a girly girl, so
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  Speaker 4: she would not have a dead phone. It just isn't
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  Speaker 4: like her to walk around without a cell phone, especially
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  Speaker 4: being as pregnant as she was. It makes no sense
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  Speaker 4: why she would not have it. Yes, way more responsible
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  Speaker 4: than that.
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  Speaker 1: When you say she was very responsible to mom Jamie Baum,
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  Speaker 1: what do you mean she was more responsible than that?
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  Speaker 2: She just was honest. She wouldn't have not called any
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  Speaker 2: of us.
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  Speaker 5: We talked to her daily.
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  Speaker 3: She has a huge family and we all stay connected
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  Speaker 3: all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Very responsible, a great mom, pregnant nine months, Brian, I
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  Speaker 1: just want to nail something down, Okay. So if she
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  Speaker 1: had her phone with her, and she, like most of us,
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  Speaker 1: is very careful about keeping it charged, it doesn't matter, Brian,
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  Speaker 1: if she had run out of minutes, is that correct?
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  Speaker 10: That's correct.
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  Speaker 9: It changes things a bit because it's not communicating with
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  Speaker 9: the towers as much as a phone that has service.
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  Speaker 9: So on your phone that has service, you might have
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  Speaker 9: one hundred different applications that are communicating out to the
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  Speaker 9: internet and through the tower. All right, when that service
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  Speaker 9: is off. You only have that emergency beacon in GPS
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  Speaker 9: and the ability to make a call to the cell
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  Speaker 9: phone company.
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  Speaker 5: Back to sister Abby joining us.
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  Speaker 1: Abby my control room came into my ear and told
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  Speaker 1: me that Emma's father, Jason, actually had to walk out
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  Speaker 1: of the room.
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  Speaker 5: What happened.
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  Speaker 4: It's a lot emotionally, and this is one of the
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  Speaker 4: hardest things our family is ever dealt with. Own it say,
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  Speaker 4: he wants to admit that he feels broken or unable
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  Speaker 4: to do anything to help return, and it's this is breaking,
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  Speaker 4: It's breaking everybody.
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  Speaker 5: He's broken. Isn't your dad a war vet?
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  Speaker 10: Yes?
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  Speaker 5: Yes? What war was?
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  Speaker 1: He him?
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  Speaker 4: Iraq much Iraq.
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  Speaker 1: So this is a man that's faced the enemy far
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  Speaker 1: from home and fought bravely, and he cannot talk about
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  Speaker 1: Emma's disappearance.
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  Speaker 5: What has this done to him? What has this done
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  Speaker 5: to him?
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  Speaker 4: He wants to do when it is right, so we
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  Speaker 4: can make sure we have the correct justice. And it's
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  Speaker 4: just really hard emotionally. He feels like his country has
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  Speaker 4: turned to the back on his children, and he has
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  Speaker 4: put all the effort into making it safe for everybody,
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  Speaker 4: and it's not.
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  Speaker 5: It's still not.
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  Speaker 4: So it's probably hurting him in a way that none
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  Speaker 4: of us will ever understand, but we see it.
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  Speaker 1: For those of you joining us and just joining us now,
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  Speaker 1: there is a desperate search right now in Gary, Indiana
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  Speaker 1: and beyond for a twenty five year old pregnant mom,
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  Speaker 1: Emma Baum. Please help us.
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  Speaker 8: The search for Bomb has been extensive, please say. Three
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  Speaker 8: primary locations have come up in the investigation, and those
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  Speaker 8: searches have been exhausted. K nine's brought in on the
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  Speaker 8: search found nothing. Multiple interviews have been conducted as volunteers
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  Speaker 8: search overgrown fields, knock on doors, and pass out flyers.
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  Speaker 8: Officers are now scouring old video footage in the area
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  Speaker 8: where Bomb went missing.
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  Speaker 1: A twenty five year old mother, nine months pregnant is missing. Stunningly,
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  Speaker 1: I have learned that the number one cause of death
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  Speaker 1: amongst pregnant women in the US is homicide. It's not
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  Speaker 1: a stroke, it's not blood pressure, it's not a heart attack.
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  Speaker 5: It's homicide. When I heard that, I actually.
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  Speaker 1: Tracked down the first author, a doctor that wrote that,
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  Speaker 1: because I couldn't believe it.
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  Speaker 5: It's I recalled. She was with the New England Journal
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  Speaker 5: of Medicine. I thought, certainly I had it wrong. I didn't.
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  Speaker 5: She didn't. It's true.
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  Speaker 1: Look at Emma Baum, Please look at Emma Bam. I
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  Speaker 1: know we tonight sound angry and agitated because we are.
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  Speaker 1: She cannot just vanish off the face of the earth.
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  Speaker 1: Who saw a nine months pregnant woman, her beautiful Emma.
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  Speaker 1: We know that her phone should still be pinging, but
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  Speaker 1: apparently it's not. We know that, we know there have
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  Speaker 1: been searches with canines they found nothing. Volunteers searching overgrown fields,
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  Speaker 1: knocking on doors, passing out flyers. We know officers say
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  Speaker 1: they are scouring old video footage in the area from
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  Speaker 1: which she went missing. No sign of Emma. I don't
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  Speaker 1: believe in supernatural reasons for disappearances or reappearances. This is
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: very real, and someone, very real and very much alive
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: knows where is Emma? Joining me in All Star Panel.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: But in addition to Sister Abby, hopefully father Jason can
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: rejoin us. This has triggered so much for him. He
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: is in Iraqi Warvette Crime Stories with Nancy, Grace, Mom, Jamie,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: and now Sister Page joining us, begging for your help.
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: Back to Lisette Gien.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Joining us host of Taste Files Chicago, Lisa, I've been
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: looking at the crime rates.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: While Indiana itself has one of the lower national crime rates,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Gary not so much when it comes to violent crime
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: twenty seventh and violent crime nationally explained.
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: The area of Gary is, you know, very it is
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: very urban, and there is a lot of migration that
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: comes through from the city of Chicago, people that are relocated.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: There to hear.
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: So it's interested and we know that Chicago has some
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: issues of its own and some of those people come
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: and bring some of those issues. So we were adding
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: that onto the already on top of the issues that
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: Gary's already had. The other problem is is that there
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: is a flight I mean, people aren't living in Gary
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: no more. People aren't putting a lot of businesses they're
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: like they used to, and so people are scavenging for jobs.
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: People have to move out to fight other jobs. The
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: school system, there's plenty of schools that are not open anymore.
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: In fact, one of them that came into question, Pulaski School,
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: which is a point of interest for police, was set
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: on fire recently, and so we have in addition to
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: abandoned buildings, we have abandoned schools now as well. So
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: that all plays into the part of the crime and
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: the dilapidation of the city of Gary.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: All of what list just told us is true, but
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: that leaves me still asking where is this beautiful girl?
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: At one centimeter dilation and listen.
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: Emma Baum comes from a very close, big family with
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: brothers and sisters for just about every day of the week.
• 22:38
  Speaker 8: She loves the closeness they share now as adults, and
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: she's creating her own large family with three children Camden six,
• 22:45
  Speaker 8: Lucas three, Amber, two, and her fourth is on the way.
• 22:48
  Speaker 8: Her sister Abigail says, Emma is energetic, always reaching for
• 22:52
  Speaker 8: the sky like a sunflower, which is her favorite flower.
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: Emma is very creative with her appearance, as she usually
• 22:58
  Speaker 8: wears wigs of all kinds of colors and styles over
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: her naturally brown hair. She never looks the same for
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: very long.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Emma's family is desperately pushing for more resources to be
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: put toward finding Emma Listen.
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: Balm's family is pushing for more resources to be given
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: to the search effort. Sister Abby Smith says the family
• 23:19
  Speaker 8: has put their own lives at risk searching abandoned houses
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: and digging dirt piles. According to the Gary police commander.
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: There are license plate reading cameras and gunshot detection technology,
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: but no police observation device cameras or pod cameras in
• 23:32
  Speaker 8: the area Bomb was last seen in. Another sister, Haileybaum,
• 23:35
  Speaker 8: says she has stopped people in their cars, stop people walking,
• 23:39
  Speaker 8: talking to everyone possible. They're now turning to the public
• 23:42
  Speaker 8: for help. Emma's mother, Jamie Baum, says quote, We're always
• 23:45
  Speaker 8: going to look for I'm never going to stop looking
• 23:48
  Speaker 8: for her.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Let me understand, Jamie Baum, this is Emma's mother joining us.
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: You and Abby have been.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Stopping cars asking if anyone has seen Emma.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: Tell me about this.
• 24:02
  Speaker 11: We've been out every day, all day for twenty four seven,
• 24:06
  Speaker 11: walking in the middle of the road, going in houses,
• 24:10
  Speaker 11: just getting anyone that we can holding her.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Sign up to every windows.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Page bom joining us in addition to Abby and Jamie Page.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Tell me about your family's effort on your own without
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: police or sheriffs trying to find Emma.
• 24:30
  Speaker 12: We've been searching every day. We haven't found any answers,
• 24:38
  Speaker 12: but we're gonna do keep trying.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Abby, tell me about what you what is going through
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: your mind when you're out in the middle of the road,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: running up to cars saying have you seen my sister
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: and showing her pictures, hoping.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: That someone is gonna give us an answer, that someone
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: knows something, that maybe if they run us over, the
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: look harder because that could be the guy running from
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: the situation.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't understand why you have to be out
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: going car to car and door to door and in
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: abandoned homes looking for Emma Jamie. Why are your daughters
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: doing the police work.
• 25:24
  Speaker 13: Well, we have to find her somehow, and if we
• 25:28
  Speaker 13: have to do it until it's gonna happen, police aren't
• 25:31
  Speaker 13: out there doing going through houses, so we are.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: Why why aren't they?
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Have you asked them that yes, they said, they said,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: they say they're doing their job.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Joining me is Greg Morse, high profile trial lawyer, partner
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: at the law firm of King and Morse, Palm Beach.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: You can find him at kingmorselaw dot com.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: Greg.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Very often you and I are on the different sides
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: of the fence, but I think you agree with me
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: that there's an issue here, a disturbing issue. How can
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: you without antagonizing or agitating law enforcement, how can you
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: get them to do more? And what do you do
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: as a family, if you're not getting answers, well.
• 26:17
  Speaker 14: It is surprising in this one. I looked into it.
• 26:20
  Speaker 14: What I haven't read the police have been trying to do.
• 26:24
  Speaker 14: This country has license plates readers across the entire work.
• 26:28
  Speaker 14: There's an expressway that borders this There's also a port
• 26:32
  Speaker 14: to Lake Michiganan that borders the eye. There's a lot
• 26:35
  Speaker 14: of opportunity for law enforcement to look at technology to
• 26:40
  Speaker 14: shrink the story as to where this young lady was taken.
• 26:45
  Speaker 10: Or where she went.
• 26:47
  Speaker 14: I was surprised a lot of the mainstream media has
• 26:51
  Speaker 14: not given very many details, which police of course hold
• 26:55
  Speaker 14: back some stuff to verify credibility. I get that, But
• 26:59
  Speaker 14: when I look at this area, that's unfortunately a common
• 27:02
  Speaker 14: area in America, low income area that's forgotten. There's a
• 27:06
  Speaker 14: lot of industry around it. One thing we talk about
• 27:10
  Speaker 14: cell phone towers. That's just one component of what it says.
• 27:14
  Speaker 14: Cell phones also routinely their bluetooth will ping off of things.
• 27:19
  Speaker 10: Anywhere they are.
• 27:20
  Speaker 14: There is a lot of data that law enforcement could
• 27:23
  Speaker 14: be looking at, and maybe they are. It sounds like
• 27:26
  Speaker 14: though from the family that they're not. So I don't
• 27:29
  Speaker 14: know how there hasn't been further information. There's a lot
• 27:33
  Speaker 14: of resources go to to try to find where this
• 27:37
  Speaker 14: girl or what happened to lead down that path.
• 27:40
  Speaker 15: The family of Emma Bom says the police have not
• 27:42
  Speaker 15: been helpful in their efforts to find Emma. But police
• 27:45
  Speaker 15: say they have dedicated their search efforts to the three
• 27:47
  Speaker 15: primary locations that have come up during the investigation and
• 27:51
  Speaker 15: are now pivoting the investigation to scour old video footage
• 27:54
  Speaker 15: in the areas where Emma was less seen.
• 27:57
  Speaker 10: The area around Antline Butler's house.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: The area around the Bio Dad's home is the beginning
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: where she was last seen before according to him, she
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: left that area. But the family has made it known
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: that the Geary PD was not helpful to them and
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: their search for Emma. Now a new detective with Lake
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: County Homicide. Lake County Homicide is on the case, and
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: they feel rejuvenated. They feel that someone cares about their case.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Detective Gordon's number is two one nine seven five five
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: three eight five five repeat two one nine seven five
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: five three eight five five. When this goes to air tonight,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: please have that number emblazoned on a screen so people
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: can see it. To Jamie Baum, explain to me why
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: you felt that the Gary, Indiana police their feet.
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: You know what. Let me ask you a question.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: According to a report given to me, one of the Gary,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Indiana police said to you, when Emma went missing, well,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: if she's dead in a dumpster, you'll never find her.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Did not happen. I'm going to confirm that with you.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am, it did.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: He told he had told my my daughter that if
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: she was gone to would not be found, and that
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: hurt my family.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I understand that after that you feel renewed hope because
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Lake County Homicide, specifically Detective Gordon.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: Is now on the case.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: May I ask you what led the Gary, Indiana Police
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: officer to tell you in the midst of the search
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: of Emma, nine months pregnant, Yeah, she's dead in a dumpster,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: you'll never find her.
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: What brought that on?
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: Somebody had give us some information and I had called
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: and asked to pass it on to him. I asked
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: him if he wanted it, I had it all nicely
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: where he could read it with the times and no
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: questions asked, No, cutting it.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Off perfectly, here you go.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: And he told me no, not only did he not
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: need it, that if that was accurate, we would never
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: be able to find her. If she was done into
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: a garbage dump.
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: To Brian fits Gibbons, Director Operations USP, a nationwide security
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: specialty finding missing people. You know, in the midst of
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: an investigation, I've had victims' families give me a lot
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: of information and sometimes I knew immediately it was not
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: going to be pertinent to the investigation, Like two years ago,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: she got.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: A hang up phone call, just an example.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: But you don't tell the family, I don't need your information.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: She's probably dead in a dumpster and you'll never find her.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: Well what was he thinking?
• 31:23
  Speaker 9: Yeah, this defies logic, Nancy, And to the family, I'm
• 31:27
  Speaker 9: so sorry that, you know, you had to hear that.
• 31:31
  Speaker 10: It's very troubling to hear that.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, you take the information and you may believe, well,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: this is not pertinent.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: But you don't say that to a victim's family.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: You take the information, you review it, you look at it,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: you study it and determine if it is or is
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: not relevant.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: But to say that to a.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Family with they are the ones out looking in abandoned homes,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: they are the ones digging through feels high in grass.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: Many are the ones out in.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: The street asking drivers to help them. Joining me right
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: now is a renowned forensic psychologist, doctor Sherry Schwartz. You
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: can find her at panthermitigation dot com. Doctor Sherry. I
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: recall the feeling of helplessness when my fiance was murdered.
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: There was nothing I could do. Nothing. That is a
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: feeling you never get over.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: This family has felt they had no ally, that no
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: one was helping them.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: That can destroy you. Saw the father have to get
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: up and leave.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Jason couldn't even listen because he feels so helpless.
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: What is that? How can we fight that so the
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: family can get back on track and find Emma.
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: Well, first of all, I want to say to the family,
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: how sorry I am for everything that you're going through.
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: For Jason, for Dad, and for mom, and even for
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: the siblings. You can see the overwhelming sense of fear
• 33:13
  Speaker 7: and helplessness and frustration that they can't get the help
• 33:17
  Speaker 7: that they need from the people that we turn to
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: to get help. They're being told, well, you know she's dead,
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: she might be in a dumpster somewhere and you'll never
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: find her. But what they're failing to understand is that
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: nobody knows if she's dead, and if they don't go
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: out and investigate, then we're not going to know. And
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: it's not just missing Emma. There's a baby possibly right
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: and infant baby that's missing. So from my position, there's
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: two people missing here. And for the family, you guys
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: are doing, from my perspective, everything that you can possibly do.
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: Continue to stick together, that's really really important, and support
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: each other. Try to overcome your feelings of guilt because
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: you're not doing anything wrong and you didn't do anything
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: to cause this.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Sound guys, this has been dragging on for weeks, the
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: disappearance of Emma Baum, and in that time, wild fantastical
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: theories have emerged.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: Listen.
• 34:16
  Speaker 8: Bobby Joe sten is eight months pregnant. Lisa Montgomery lies
• 34:20
  Speaker 8: to her saying she wants to buy one of her puppies.
• 34:23
  Speaker 8: Montgomery drives from Melbourne, Kansas to Bobby Joe's home in Skidmore, Missouri.
• 34:27
  Speaker 8: Montgomery strangles the mom to be and cuts the baby
• 34:31
  Speaker 8: from her stomach. Lisa Montgomery is arrested the next day.
• 34:34
  Speaker 8: The baby girl lives and is now a teenager living
• 34:37
  Speaker 8: with her dad.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: You think that's fantastical, it was actually floated as a
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: defense theory, and the Scott Peterson murder trial dead Lacy
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Peterson an unborn child Connor. These fantastical theories are not
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: helping in the search for Emma, but yet they continue,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: such as comparing the case to a teen girl Marlon
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: at to Lopez.
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: Nineteen year old Marlon and Joe Lopez is lured to
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: the home of Desiree and Clarissa Figueroa with the promise
• 35:09
  Speaker 8: of baby clothes. Once there, prosecutors say Clarissa got on
• 35:12
  Speaker 8: top of Marlin, continuing to strangle her for up to
• 35:15
  Speaker 8: five minutes. After researching how long it would take for
• 35:18
  Speaker 8: someone to die that way, they allegedly cut the baby
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: from Marlin's body, stuffed her in a plastic bag in
• 35:24
  Speaker 8: a hidden garbage can outside. Clarissa then claimed the baby,
• 35:27
  Speaker 8: with the umbilical cord and placenta still attached, was hers.
• 35:31
  Speaker 8: Her boyfriend is accused of helping to hide the murder
• 35:33
  Speaker 8: and evidence at the home. On Friday, October eleventh, Emma Baum.
• 35:37
  Speaker 15: Does not reach out to her family members, even though
• 35:40
  Speaker 15: they are expecting her to come home. Emma has a phone,
• 35:43
  Speaker 15: but it is out of minutes, telling her mother not
• 35:46
  Speaker 15: to worry. She is getting minutes put on the phone.
• 35:48
  Speaker 15: On Friday, Emma.
• 35:49
  Speaker 16: Said she would be back on Friday to do something
• 35:51
  Speaker 16: with her six year old son, Camden. She doesn't show
• 35:54
  Speaker 16: and doesn't call. The family waits through Saturday for Emma
• 35:57
  Speaker 16: to come back, and when she isn't home by Sunday,
• 36:00
  Speaker 16: her mother calls Antoine Butler. Antoine told Emma's mother, Jamie Baum,
• 36:04
  Speaker 16: that he saw her leave with some girl in a car.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: What look, when my husband has to go out of
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: town for work or he has to go somewhere, I
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: think I know where he's going and what he's doing.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Same thing with my children. What does this mean? The BF,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: the bio dad boyfriend says he quote saw her leave
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: with some girl in a car. Li set Gian joining
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: US investigative reporters, host of Case Files Chicago. Lis set again,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: let me understand, that is the level of detail I've
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: got from the boyfriend that she left with quote some
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: girl in a car.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: That's it.
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: That's it, Nancy. And that's where the frustration lies is
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: there's very little details.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, hold on just a moment, Jamie Baum, this is
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Emma's mother has the.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: Boyfriend I've been helping to look for Emma.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: No, and his family has never reached out either.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like the way that smells to Greg
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Moore joining me, high profile lawyer at King morse A's
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: a silk stocking law firm out of Palm Beach County, Greg,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: when I look at a statement or I evaluate the
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: credibility of a witness, I look to see if their
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: statement is quote rich in detail. I can tell you
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: exactly what my son was wearing when he left for
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: school this morning, exactly, and I know what vehicle he
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: was driving.
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: I can tell you.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Exactly what my daughter was wearing, what vehicle she was in,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: right down to their backpacks, their tote bags, and their
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: water bottles.
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: What is this gibberish? Some girl, a girl in a car?
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: What?
• 37:52
  Speaker 10: Well?
• 37:53
  Speaker 14: Not everybody remembers the same detail as everyone else. However,
• 37:58
  Speaker 14: a year and practicing law and handling every type of case,
• 38:03
  Speaker 14: these type of general statements that don't aren't made in completion.
• 38:08
  Speaker 14: Where the car went here, I knew the person was coming.
• 38:11
  Speaker 14: The police generally look at that a suspect. They're not credible.
• 38:15
  Speaker 14: And as I mentioned before, why isn't there information about
• 38:19
  Speaker 14: this potential car. Why aren't there people looking into where
• 38:22
  Speaker 14: this car go? It's a very easy thing to follow
• 38:24
  Speaker 14: for police.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: So of course I hear you say not everybody remembers details.
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: Did you say that.
• 38:32
  Speaker 10: I did say that, Nancy. Not everybody remembers the same
• 38:34
  Speaker 10: all differently.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Well, my fiance Keith was murdered decades ago. I can
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: remember right now what he was wearing, blue Jameson adentim shirt.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: He was going to work on a construction crew.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: He was driving a white Lamon's and as he left
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: he hung his left arm out the window and wave
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: goodbye to me. I remember it, crystal clear, It's branded
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: on my brain.
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: Jamie. Do you remember the last time you saw Emma. Yes,
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: she was wearing what does she say.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Black clothing.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: She had her bag strapped around, she had her purse
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: strapped around her chest.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: And she gets the huge by until this should be
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: home tomorrow to make to say.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: I understand that you represent a lot of clients, but
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: that is total BS man that he all he knows
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: is she left with some.
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: Girl in a car technical legal term. I don't know
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: if you use that.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: At King and Morse, but that's BS and I'm calling
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: him out on this another thing, another thing I don't like.
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: It's the last time she's seen.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: It's at his house, Abby Smith, this is Emma's sister,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: isn't that true?
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: That is correct?
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: Our sister Jaden and Jewel dropped her off, poor sure
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: at that house to meet her boyfriend.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Now, I don't want to make an issue of this
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: because this is a side issue, it's a collateral issue.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: But I'm curious. I'm very curious, Abby, this bs boyfriend,
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  Speaker 1: Antoine Butler. Was he supportive of the pregnancy? Was he
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  Speaker 1: helping her? No?
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  Speaker 4: There had been multiple times that he had asked her
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: to get an abortion, and that is a bath. He
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  Speaker 4: didn't want it. When mfond out she was going into labor,
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: she just wanted to go more or less make sure
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: it confirm and decided she decided that no matter what,
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: she was going to keep the baby and it was
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: going to make her a better person. And then if
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: you didn't want to be a part of it, that
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  Speaker 4: she needed to figure it out prior to fully going
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: into labor.
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  Speaker 1: So no money, he's not supporting her, he's not excited
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  Speaker 1: about the baby. He wants her to have an abortion.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, all of that moral flaws. That does
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  Speaker 1: not make him a kidnapper or a murderer. However, I'm
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: very concerned about the fact, Brian Fitzgibbons uspa that that's
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  Speaker 1: where she's last scene. That doesn't bother you, and nobody
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: can tell me what kind of car she left in
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: or where she went or anything.
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  Speaker 10: It's absolutely disturbing, Nancy.
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  Speaker 9: A vague statement like that, coupled with, you know, potentially
• 41:28
  Speaker 9: a motive that he didn't want her to have the baby,
• 41:32
  Speaker 9: and that she's having this conversation as she's about to
• 41:37
  Speaker 9: go into labor dilated a centimeter, you know that that
• 41:42
  Speaker 9: was the purpose of this conversation. So all of this
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  Speaker 9: adds up to be very suspicious.
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  Speaker 5: Jamie, why did she go over to his place?
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  Speaker 2: I tried to keep her.
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  Speaker 3: I tried to ask her not too she wanted to
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  Speaker 3: talk with him over about the baby.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Doctor Serry Schwartz, what we women go through to try
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: to have the Hallmark Christmas card? You know, we want
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: the house stick. We want the house. We want the
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: husband or the partner. We want the children. We want
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: the turkey dinner, we want the Christmas tree. We want
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: it the way we have grown up to think it
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: should be right, And I've got a feeling Emma wanted
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: that she wanted the bio dad to want the baby
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: be part of the life, be a family, and was
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: going over to probably try to convince him of that.
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  Speaker 7: I'm sure for Emma she probably couldn't imagine that he
• 42:53
  Speaker 7: didn't feel the same way she felt in terms of
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: wanting to have this baby and parent this baby. And
• 42:59
  Speaker 7: so that's one of the difficulties. You're absolutely right, this
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: is what we crave. She's about to give birth, and
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: she wants to talk to him and say, don't you
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: want to be a part of this amazing child's life?
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: And then you hurt my baby and when you friend
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: your shit out.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: The family in so much pain now out flagging down cars,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: going to abandoned buildings, walking through fields, begging for volunteers.
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: That from our friends at ABC seven.
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  Speaker 1: The boyfriend, the bio dad in this case, Antoine Butler,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: has not been named a formal suspect in the disappearance
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: of Emma. Emma Baum just twenty five years old, nine
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: months pregnant, and today I join with her family asking
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  Speaker 1: for your help. Tip line to Detective Gordon two one
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  Speaker 1: nine seven five five three eight five five or one
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  Speaker 1: eight hundred You tell us one eight hundred eight eight three,
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  Speaker 1: five five eight seven. To Emma's mother, Jamie Baum, Jamie,
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  Speaker 1: what is your message tonight?
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  Speaker 5: If Emma can hear.
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  Speaker 2: You, baby, we love you, watch your home. We'll miss you.
• 44:27
  Speaker 13: If searching for you, we will not stop until we
• 44:31
  Speaker 13: find you. I love you, everybody loves you. We'll find
• 44:36
  Speaker 13: you again.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: The tip line one eight hundred You tell us or
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  Speaker 1: two one nine seven five five three eight five five
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  Speaker 1: We wait for justice.
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  Speaker 5: Two Unfold. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend