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Ghislaine Maxwell And The Deposition That Led To Her Downfall (Part 24) (5/19/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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In this episode, we're going to dive right back in
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to the Glain Maxwell deposition and pick up where we
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left off. McCauley, what is your understanding of Jeffrey Epstein's
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non prosecution agreement? Maxwell? I have no idea. McCauley, do
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you have an understanding of the co conspirators listed in
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the non prosecution agreement? Pagliuca objection to the form and
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the foundation. Maxwell, I have no knowledge of his agreement,
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whatever that is. McCauley, do you know you mentioned earlier
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today that redacted was one of the listed co conspirators.
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Do you know who the other co conspirators are in
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the non prosecution agreement? Mister Pagliuka objection to the form
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and the foundation, Maxwell, I do not know. McCauley. What
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did Jeffrey Epstein tell you about the non prosecution agreement? Maxwell?
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I don't think I've ever discussed it with them. McCauley,
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how did you come to learn that redacted was covered
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by the non prosecution agreement? Maxwell? I believe I read
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it in the press. McCauley, did you have any discussions
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with redacted? About the non prosecution agreement. Maxwell, I have
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not had any discussions with redacted McCauley. When is the
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last time you spoke with redacted? Maxwell? Maybe two thousand
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and five, two thousand and six, maybe McCauley, and same
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with redacted. When is the last time you recall speaking
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with redacted? Maxwell? Probably even more time before that. Maybe
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I've never had communications really with redacted McCauley. I'm sorry
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I didn't hear that, Maxwell, I never had communications with her. McCauley.
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You were working for Jeffrey at the time, Blank was
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also working for Jeffrey, isn't that correct? Maxwell? I didn't
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know what redacted did for Jeffrey, so I didn't characterize
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what her relationship or work or not was. And I
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was still helping him with his construction projects and the like.
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But I never crossed paths what redacted. McCauley, What did
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you think redacted was doing for Jeffrey? Maxwell? I have
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no idea what redacted was doing for Jeffrey. McCauley, did
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you observe redacted at any of Jeffrey's houses while you
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were there, Maxwell, she was at the house on occasion, McCauley,
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what would she be doing there, Maxwell, I have no idea. McCauley,
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did you know if she lived at his houses? Maxwell?
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I have no idea. McCauley. Did you ever go into
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a bedroom and see your belongings at one of the houses? Maxwell?
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Not that I can recall. No, McCauley. I'm going to
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mark this as Maxwell Exhibit twenty four. Maxwell Exhibit twenty
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four email mark for identification McCauley. You can see at
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the top of the first page, which is GM zero
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zero one. It's dated January three, twenty fifteen, from you
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to the redacted? Is that redacted who we refer to today? Maxwell? Yes, McCauley,
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and can you tell me it says have some info
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call me when you have a moment. What is redacted there? Maxwell?
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I don't recall. I'm sorry, McCauley. Do you know why
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there is a redaction on this document? Maxwell? You would
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have to confer with my lawyers. McCauley. What did you
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discuss in that call? Maxwell? I don't have any specific
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knowledge of that call, McCauley. So the call is being
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made on Saturday, January third, twenty fifteen. Pagliuca objection to
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the form and the Foundation McCauley. The document states it's Saturday,
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January third, twenty fifteen. You issued your press release on
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January second, twenty fifteen. Were you discussing with redacted the
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subject of Virginia Roberts during these calls? Mister Pagliuka objection
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to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I don't know
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if I spoke to him. McCauley, I would like you
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to turn to GM zero zero two at the bottom chain,
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and it says redacted Saturday, January third to redacted, and
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he says, let me know when we can talk. Got
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some specific questions to ask you about Virginia Roberts. Now
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redacted here is obviously Prince Andrew. Do you recall having
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a conversation with redacted about Virginia Roberts in or around
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early January in twenty fifteen, Maxwell, I don't know if
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we actually spoke. McCauley. Did you ever speak to or
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redacted about Virginia Roberts after you issued your statement on
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January second, twenty fifteen, Maxwell, I know that we did
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speak at some point, but I don't recollect when we spoke. McCauley,
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what did you talk about, Maxwell? Just about what a
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liar she is. McCauley. What did he say to you Maxwell,
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what a liar she is? McCauley. Did he tell you
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why he thought she was a liar? Maxwell? I don't
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think he told me why she was a liar. The
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substance of everything that she said was a lie with
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regard to him, McCauley, what did you say to him, Maxwell,
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she is a liar. McCauley, what was the whole conversation
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it was? You said to him, she is a liar,
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and he said to you to say that she's a liar.
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And did you discuss any of the details about what
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those lives were Maxwell? I don't recollect. McCauley. Was that
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the only conversation that you had Maxwell, I don't recollect.
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I don't recollect actually the conversation, but other than that
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in detail, Other than that, we both said that she
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was a liar. McCauley. Do you regularly communicate with redacted
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Paglayuka objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell, what
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do you mean by regularly McCauley. Do you email with
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them once a month, once every two months, or text
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them or call them Maxwell? No, we are not in
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that type of regular touch, McCauley, do you travel with
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them regularly? Maxwell? I don't know. I have traveled with them.
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We have traveled together, but regularly is not the correct characterization. Maxwell.
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Do you travel with them more than once a year?
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And remember, just to ad we're talking about Prince Andrew. Maxwell,
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there is no standard, there is no set pattern. The
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answer to that was no, McCauley. Have you ever observed
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them with any underage any women, female under the age
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of eighteen interacting that's not a child or a family friend,
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interacting for the purpose of sexual relationship with that individual.
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Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell.
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I've never seen redacted interact in any way of that nature. McCauley.
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Have you ever gone to dinner with them, with any
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individual under the age of eighteen that's not your family
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member or friend of yours, that is under the age
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of eighteen. Mister Pagliuka, objection to the form. Maxwell. We've
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been to dinner all the time. I'm not too sure
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who is at dinner with us. I can't testify to that. McCauley.
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Has he ever brought a female under the age of
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eighteen that's not a relative of his Maxwell, he has children, McCauley,
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I said, not relatives. Maxwell, I can't possibly testify to
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who comes to dinner with I wouldn't recall, McCauley. To
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your knowledge, has he ever had a relationship with any
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female under the age of eighteen for purposes of romantic relationship?
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To your knowledge, Maxwell, I can't testify to redacted's relationships. McCauley,
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you haven't observed that, Maxwell. No. McCauley. Have you talked
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to redacted about coming to testify at trial in his case? Maxwell? No, McCauley.
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When was the last time you communicated with redacted? Maxwell?
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Ninety four, ninety five McCauley, I believe earlier. Did you
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say that you When is the last time you've been
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to his home? In redacted? Maxwell? I said, you asked
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me if I stayed the night. McCauley, I'm asking you
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a different question. When's the last time you have been
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to his home in redacted? Maxwell? Roughly the same time
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in the middle of the nineties, sometime mid nineties, McCauley.
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Not in the years two thousand to two thousand and two. Maxwell,
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mid nineties. McCauley, have you ever communicated with any representative
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of redacted. Mister Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
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I mean I've been to Is in the mid nineties.
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I would have communicated with people who work for him. McCauley,
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have you communicated with redacted about this case? Maxwell? No, McCauley.
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Have you ever seen a topless female at any one
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of Jeffrey Epstein's properties? Pagliuca objection to the form and
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the foundation. You've asked this question, by the way, earlier
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on today. Maxwell, Again, I testified that there are people
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from time to time in the privacy of a swimming
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pool may have taken a bikini top off or something,
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but it's not common, and certainly when I was at
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the house, I don't really recollect seeing that kind of activity. McCauley.
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Have you ever smoked cigarettes? Maxwell? Yes, McCauley. Have you
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ever smoked cigarettes with Virginia Roberts? Maxwell? I don't recall
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smoking cigarettes with Virginia Roberts. McCauley, I'm marking this as
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Maxwell twenty five Maxwell Exhibit twenty five email marked for identification. McCauley,
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I'm showing you what has been marked as Maxwell twenty five.
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This is an email dated January eleventh, twenty fifteen, at
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the top. Do you see that from Jeffrey to you? Maxwell?
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Uh huh McCauley. And then below there is an email
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from redacted to you and ccing redacted on January eleventh,
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twenty fifteen. Do you see that? Maxwell? Uh huh McCauley.
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It says, Dear Glaine, as you know, I have been
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working behind the scenes, and this article comes from that.
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It helps, but it doesn't answer the VR claims I
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will get the criminal allegations out. This show's the MOS
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will print truth, not just a VR voice piece. We
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can only make the truth by making a statement. What
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did you mean when he said I will get the
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criminal allegations out? What was he referring to pagliuka objection
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to the form and the foundation? Maxwell, I have no idea, McCauley.
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Where there are criminal allegations about Virginia that either your
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lawyer or redacted were leaking to the press. Mister Pagliuca
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objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell, I have
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no idea, McCauley. Did you ever ask him what he
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meant when he said I will get the criminal allegations out? Maxwell?
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I don't recollect that conversation. McCauley, did you ever direct
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them to leak to the press criminal allegations about Virginia Roberts? Maxwell,
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I already testified that I have no knowledge of what
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you were asking me. McCauley, were you copied on this email? Correct? Maxwell?
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I was McCauley. Did Jeffrey Epstein assist in obtaining information
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about criminal allegations relating to Virginia Roberts mister Pagliuka objection
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to the form and the Foundation? Maxwell, I have no recollection. McCauley.
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Did redacted assist in obtaining information regarding criminal allegations of
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Virginia Roberts, mister p objection to form and foundation? Maxwell,
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I have no knowledge of that. McCauley. Did you ever
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discuss that with redacted? Maxwell? Discuss what McCauley criminal allegations
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about Virginia Roberts? Maxwell? I don't believe I have. McCauley,
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have you ever discussed allegations relating to and midway through
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McCauley changes tactics? Do you know if Jeffrey Epstein had
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any relationship with the US government, either working for the
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CIA or the FBI in his lifetime. Mister Pagliuka objection
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to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I have no
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knowledge of that. McCauley. Do you know if Jeffrey Epstein
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has any friends that are in the CIA or the FBI.
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Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I
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have no idea. McCauley, are you aware of an investigation
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of Jeffrey Epstein in the early eighties relating to the
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SEC Mister Pagliuka objection to the form and the fact foundation. Maxwell,
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I have no knowledge of that. McCauley. Are you aware
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that Jeffrey Epstein has told people that he worked for
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the government to recover stolen funds? Mister Pagliuka objection to
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the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I don't recall conversations
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about that. McCauley. Has he ever told you that he
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worked for the US government? Maxwell, I don't recollect that. McCauley.
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You don't recollect, or he has never told you, Maxwell,
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I have no knowledge. I don't recollect him telling me
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he worked for the government. McCauley. Does Jeffrey Epstein have
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any affiliation with the Israeli government? Mister Pagliuca objection to
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the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I have no knowledge
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of that, McCauley. Do you know if he ever performed
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and he worked for the Israeli government? Maxwell, I have
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no knowledge of that, McCauley. Have you ever visited Israel
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with Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell, I'm sorry, I don't recollect. McCauley.
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You've seen the flo What logs that I provided you
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today are there during the time you work for Jeffrey Epstein.
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Were there times that you flew on commercial flights rather
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than Jeffrey Epstein's planes? Maxwell, Yes, McCauley. How often did
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that occur? Maxwell? Decently, McCauley. Were there other flights that
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you recall flying on with Jeffrey Epstein that were on
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flights that were redacted? Was not the pilot? Maxwell redacted?
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Was not always the pilot, McCauley. Were there other flights
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that you recall flying on with Jeffrey Epstein that were
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on flights that were redacted? Was not the pilot? Maxwell redacted?
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Was not always the pilot? McCauley. How many planes did
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Jeffrey Epstein have during the time you were with them,
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Mister Pagliuca, objection to the Form and the Foundation Maxwell,
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So you need to give me a date range McCauley,
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during the time period of nineteen ninety two through when
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you left your employment, which I think you said was
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in two thousand and nine. Maxwell, So in the nineties
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he had one plane, and at some point in the
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two thousands he had two planes. But I can't testify
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to anything past two thousand and two, two thousand and three.
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What happened to his planes after that? McCauley. Do you
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know what travel agency, if any, Jeffrey would use when
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he would send someone, for example, you or one of
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his other employees on a flight somewhere. Did he use
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a particular travel agency to make those arrangements? Maxwell? I
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don't recall, McCauley, were you ever responsible for making those
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arrangements for other individuals? Maxwell? I don't recall making flight arrangements, McCauley.
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Was it a New York travel agent that you would
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use for those arrangements? Maxwell? Again, we are talking sixteen, seventeen,
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eighteen years ago. I just don't recall anything to do
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with travel agents, McCauley. Would Jeffrey Epstein ever fly, for example,
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redacted on a commercial flight to meet you in New Mexico.
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Pag Leuca objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
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I can't testify to that. McCall. Do you recall a
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trip where you met redacted in New Mexico? Maxwell No,
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I don't recall any specific trip. No, McCauley, would you
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be sent to New Mexico? Is there a reason why
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you would go to New Mexico in the course of
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your work when you were doing it for Epstein. Mister
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Pakliuka objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell. I
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was never sent. I had a job to do and
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would have to go to New Mexico for work. McCauley,
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would redact it assist you in the project, mister Pagliuca,
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objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell No, The
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project was largely complete, largely complete by the end. I
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don't remember the dates exactly, but it was largely complete
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by the nineties or two thousands. McCauley, do you know
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why redacted would be going to New Mexico to meet you?
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Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
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I don't know. She worked for Jeffrey. Mister Pakliuca. I
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think we are out of time. Council videographer, it's true, McCauley.
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I will state for the record there were questions today
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that remain unanswered because the witness has been instructed to
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not answer those questions, and we will be raising our
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objections with the court to be able to have those
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questions answered in the near future. Pagliuca, so we are clear.
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We are designating this entire deposition as confidential under the
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protective order. That would cover the paralegal who's been present,
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as well as the court reporter and the videographer and
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all the lawyers in the room. Videographer. This concludes today's proceedings.
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We are off the record at six forty three pm.
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All right, folks, Well that does it for the massive
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Galain Maxwell deposition. So now we'll move on to the
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other core documents that have been dropping and we'll keep
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it moving. All of the information that goes with this
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