Latest / Real America with Dan Ball / 9/14/26 -- Dan Ball W/ George Papadopoulos, Morgan Wright, Jack Posobiec, Jonathan Cahn, Frank DeVito.
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Straight ahead on Real America tonight, newly declassified CIA documents
- 0:04Speaker 1: now show Bill Clinton and his administration knew a whole
- 0:08Speaker 1: lot about the potential for an attack long before 9-11 happened,
- 0:13Speaker 1: and he did nothing to stop Osama bin Laden, despite
- 0:17Speaker 1: our government actually tracking his moves. We're gonna show you
- 0:21Speaker 1: those new records tonight. Plus, a prominent AI researcher who
- 0:26Speaker 1: just left the company Anthropic sounds the alarm about the
- 0:29Speaker 1: dangers of AI, saying that almost every top executive inside
- 0:34Speaker 1: the industry is worried that if AI takes over, that
- 0:38Speaker 1: could mean the extinction of humans. And a bronze memorial
- 0:43Speaker 1: statue over at Turning Point USA headquarters of its founder,
- 0:48Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk, just put up last week, vandalized no more
- 0:52Speaker 1: than 48 hours after it was erected. Go figure. you
- 0:56Speaker 1: wacko leftists. I'm Dan Ball, and Real America starts right now.
- 1:16Speaker 2: Do you think you did enough, sir?
- 1:18Speaker 3: No, because I didn't get him.
- 1:19Speaker 1: Right.
- 1:19Speaker 3: But at least I tried. That's the difference in me
- 1:21Speaker 3: and some. including all the right-wingers that are attacking me now.
- 1:25Speaker 3: They ridiculed me for trying. They had eight months to try.
- 1:28Speaker 3: They did not try.
- 1:30Speaker 1: I tried.
- 1:31Speaker 3: So I tried and failed. When I failed, I left
- 1:34Speaker 3: a comprehensive anti-terror strategy and the best guy in the country,
- 1:39Speaker 3: Dick Clark, who got demoted.
- 1:41Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what, Bill. I'll rip you in,
- 1:43Speaker 1: George W., because both you idiots let it happen. How
- 1:46Speaker 1: about that? Good Monday evening to you. Thanks for tuning in, folks.
- 1:50Speaker 1: Some new revelations tonight. that led to the Islamic terror
- 1:55Speaker 1: attacks on September 11th when we lost 2,977 Americans to jihadis. Now,
- 2:04Speaker 1: that interview you just saw was Chris Wallace talking to
- 2:07Speaker 1: former President Bill Clinton. That was a 20-year-ago discussion, 2006.
- 2:13Speaker 1: But see, that interview is hitting really hard this week
- 2:17Speaker 1: because families who lost their loved ones all those years ago,
- 2:22Speaker 1: 25 years ago, still want some accountability, want some justice.
- 2:27Speaker 1: I get that the 19 hijackers are dead and that
- 2:29Speaker 1: we got Osama bin Laden and that we arrested a
- 2:32Speaker 1: bunch more and threw them in Gitmo and some are
- 2:35Speaker 1: in prison for life and maybe there's some out there
- 2:37Speaker 1: that we've never arrested. But what did we know leading up?
- 2:42Speaker 1: And why didn't we do anything? Now, President Clinton says,
- 2:45Speaker 1: I tried, I tried, I tried. And W had eight
- 2:48Speaker 1: months and did nothing. He didn't even try. Well, if
- 2:51Speaker 1: you tried, why didn't you get them? Why didn't you
- 2:53Speaker 1: stop it, Bill? And if it was that big a deal,
- 2:56Speaker 1: are you sure your administration handed the football off and
- 2:59Speaker 1: didn't fumble it to George W., explaining how dire it
- 3:03Speaker 1: was that we go after this dirty SOB? I don't know. We,
- 3:07Speaker 1: the American people, only elect you guys. We don't get
- 3:09Speaker 1: to see what you do behind closed doors. Osama bin Laden,
- 3:14Speaker 1: founder of al-Qaeda, declared war on the U.S. in 1996. Okay?
- 3:22Speaker 1: Bill Clinton was in office. These new declassified documents just
- 3:27Speaker 1: released last week by the Trump administration prove his administration
- 3:32Speaker 1: knew and knew five years before the attack. Not eight
- 3:36Speaker 1: months like the Bush administration had. Five years you had
- 3:40Speaker 1: to catch him. The CIA declassified 71 documents related to
- 3:45Speaker 1: 9-11 just last Friday. There were repeated warnings. about Al-Qaeda
- 3:51Speaker 1: and bin Laden's movements and the threats. And they were
- 3:53Speaker 1: tracking him. They knew he wanted to hit us. Matter
- 3:57Speaker 1: of fact, one of the documents dated September 98 specifically
- 4:00Speaker 1: warns about, guess what? Hijacked aircraft. Stating that members of the, quote,
- 4:06Speaker 1: bin Laden network have been trained on how to hijack
- 4:09Speaker 1: and fly airplanes. Oh, but that's not all. Just wait.
- 4:13Speaker 1: Other documents show patterns of suspicious activity that was consistent
- 4:17Speaker 1: with plans of hijacking. including they were tracking them doing
- 4:22Speaker 1: surveillance of federal buildings in New York City. On top
- 4:26Speaker 1: of all, they cited some of bin Laden's interviews in
- 4:30Speaker 1: which he literally implied that he wanted to follow the
- 4:34Speaker 1: example of Yamzi Youssef. That's the terrorist who planned the
- 4:38Speaker 1: bombing of the World Trade Center that, thank God, didn't
- 4:41Speaker 1: bring it down back in 1993. He was telling you
- 4:44Speaker 1: what he was going to do. Worse yet, they knew
- 4:47Speaker 1: Al-Qaeda attacked our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania back in 98,
- 4:52Speaker 1: and they wanted to do more. Documentation goes on and
- 4:57Speaker 1: on and on, and it shows that Bill Clinton and
- 5:00Speaker 1: the intel community knew about bin Laden's desires to hit
- 5:04Speaker 1: our country from the inside. They even noted that he
- 5:09Speaker 1: wasn't fazed by setbacks. According to recent statements by Clinton himself,
- 5:13Speaker 1: the CIA even had a plan to take him out
- 5:16Speaker 1: but abandon it at the last minute because they were
- 5:19Speaker 1: afraid they might kill a few civilians when taking him out. Well,
- 5:24Speaker 1: I hate to say this. I'm sure I'll take heat.
- 5:28Speaker 1: But a few cracked eggs with civilians surrounding themselves around
- 5:34Speaker 1: bin Laden back in the day would have been better
- 5:36Speaker 1: than almost 3,000 people, Billy. Clinton authorized the plan, but
- 5:43Speaker 1: then never followed up after the agency, CIA, decided to
- 5:47Speaker 1: ditch the plan. Instead, he did nothing for five years.
- 5:55Speaker 1: Never said a word about any of these documents, of course,
- 5:58Speaker 1: until they were declassified. Now, of course, people are coming
- 6:01Speaker 1: out to slick Willie's defense. And I'm not making excuses,
- 6:05Speaker 1: by the way, for the Bush administration. They did have
- 6:08Speaker 1: eight months to act as well. Join me now with
- 6:10Speaker 1: more details about all this and with his reaction. He's
- 6:13Speaker 1: a former foreign policy advisor to President Trump and the
- 6:16Speaker 1: co-host of the Global View podcast, also author of the
- 6:18Speaker 1: book Deep State Target. George Papadopoulos, back on the program. George,
- 6:23Speaker 1: just first and foremost, your reaction. I mean, I think
- 6:26Speaker 1: most Americans that were old enough like you and me
- 6:28Speaker 1: back then when it happened, I was 27 or 28.
- 6:32Speaker 1: We had heard the rumblings back then that our country
- 6:35Speaker 1: had been warned, that our intel community knew that Al-Qaeda
- 6:38Speaker 1: and bin Laden were up to something, but I didn't
- 6:40Speaker 1: know it went this deep. I didn't know that we
- 6:42Speaker 1: had a plan to actually take him out and then
- 6:45Speaker 1: decided not to do it because of civilian casualty. Gee,
- 6:49Speaker 1: looking back, again, you never want to claim innocent life,
- 6:54Speaker 1: but if you're hanging out with bin Laden over in
- 6:57Speaker 1: some cave in Pakistan or Afghanistan or whatever, and you
- 7:01Speaker 1: kill a few innocent civilians while killing him, but stopping
- 7:04Speaker 1: a potential attack that killed 3,000? Yeah, I'm thinking I
- 7:07Speaker 1: would have been okay with that attack. So your assessment,
- 7:11Speaker 1: why did Clinton decide to look the other way? And
- 7:13Speaker 1: then again, what the hell was the Bush administration doing
- 7:16Speaker 1: for eight months if this warning was so big from
- 7:19Speaker 1: the Clinton administration? George.
- 7:21Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks a lot for having me, Dan. And what
- 7:24Speaker 4: a profound indictment of the Clinton and Bush administrations given
- 7:32Speaker 4: the newly declassified information about basically the genesis of Al-Qaeda,
- 7:39Speaker 4: Osama bin Laden and his modus operandi and his intent
- 7:44Speaker 4: to basically wage war against the United States going back
- 7:48Speaker 4: into the 90s. The moment he decided he was going
- 7:52Speaker 4: to declare war on the United States, he meant it
- 7:55Speaker 4: and actions followed. There were terrorist attacks against US installations.
- 7:59Speaker 2: Abroad in the late 90s. And then, of.
- 8:04Speaker 4: Course, the 9-11 attacks had occurred. So when you have
- 8:07Speaker 4: a ragtag group of jihadists operating out of caves and
- 8:13Speaker 4: financed by some of the wealthiest Gulf states in the
- 8:18Speaker 4: world and monarchies in the world. And you don't take
- 8:22Speaker 4: the appropriate and devastating action to take them out. And
- 8:27Speaker 4: whether there's a little collateral damage or not, that is
- 8:31Speaker 4: simply unacceptable. And both President Bill Clinton and President Bush
- 8:39Speaker 4: have a lot to be held accountable for.
- 8:40Speaker 1: JOHN YANG I totally agree. And you know what I'd
- 8:42Speaker 1: like to know is, because you were involved in those
- 8:44Speaker 1: briefings with President Trump when you were one of his advisors,
- 8:47Speaker 1: how much handoff of that intelligence that the Clinton administration had,
- 8:53Speaker 1: how much of that got handed off to the Bush administration,
- 8:56Speaker 1: and in what manner? I mean, when they switch, and
- 8:59Speaker 1: you maybe know this from the 16, when they switch,
- 9:03Speaker 1: you sit down and have meetings, and administrative leaders from
- 9:06Speaker 1: both camps are there, and they're like, hey, Here's some
- 9:08Speaker 1: stuff we've been tracking our eight years, meaning the Clintons.
- 9:11Speaker 1: This is stuff you need to be top priority as
- 9:14Speaker 1: you take over on January 20th, Mr. President, Mr. Bush.
- 9:18Speaker 1: Is that how that is, where they hand stuff over
- 9:20Speaker 1: to each other and it's expressed? Or how does that get?
- 9:23Speaker 1: Because I don't know who dropped the football. Obviously, he
- 9:25Speaker 1: didn't act for five years. But then he claims in
- 9:28Speaker 1: that interview, hey, I warned him. I warned him. Did
- 9:30Speaker 1: you warn the Bushes?
- 9:33Speaker 4: Well, that's really what the smooth transition of power is
- 9:37Speaker 4: all about. Before Obama and Biden decided to weaponize the
- 9:42Speaker 4: government against President Trump and to try to derail the
- 9:45Speaker 4: smooth transition of power, it was a normal segue between presidents. So,
- 9:51Speaker 4: of course, President Clinton would then have his own team
- 9:56Speaker 4: advisers start the process during the transition period before the
- 10:00Speaker 4: election so that there isn't a chaotic situation the moment
- 10:05Speaker 4: that the president ascends to the Oval Office and gets elected.
- 10:09Speaker 4: down the business to secure the homeland and to promote
- 10:12Speaker 4: the U.S.
- 10:13Speaker 2: Interests around the world.
- 10:14Speaker 4: So this notion that President Bush was caught blind, decided,
- 10:19Speaker 4: or had no idea about what President Clinton knew and
- 10:22Speaker 4: what the CIA and the FBI and global intelligence knew
- 10:26Speaker 4: about al Qaeda and bin Laden, I simply don't buy it.
- 10:30Speaker 4: And that really begs the question, why didn't President Bush,
- 10:35Speaker 4: in the eight months that he had, stop the attack
- 10:38Speaker 4: and kill bin Laden? And we still don't have that answer. But, fortunately, Dan,
- 10:43Speaker 4: the President Trump's administration is the most transparent in modern
- 10:47Speaker 4: American history.
- 10:48Speaker 2: He did declassify these files.
- 10:50Speaker 4: But we still need more files declassified to finally get
- 10:54Speaker 4: to the bottom of this and to stop the bleeding
- 10:57Speaker 4: that this long-lasting wound has caused to the homeland.
- 11:00Speaker 1: DAN BALZEKER, The Washington Post, Yeah, because what is it, 2,977
- 11:04Speaker 1: family members, or of those family members, they would like
- 11:07Speaker 1: to know. They want some accountability. Why did my dad
- 11:10Speaker 1: die in the towers that day? Why did my mom
- 11:12Speaker 1: on that plane go down in Shanksville, right? Why did
- 11:15Speaker 1: my uncle working in the Pentagon have to die that day?
- 11:18Speaker 1: Especially if you knew bin Laden was talking about this
- 11:20Speaker 1: crap for five years. I hope the Trump administration releases
- 11:25Speaker 1: more of these documents, and I hope that, again, I'm
- 11:29Speaker 1: not stupid. I'm not going to say I hope somebody's
- 11:31Speaker 1: held accountable in both the Clinton and Bush administration, because
- 11:34Speaker 1: it's Washington, D.C., and nobody's ever held accountable. But it'd
- 11:37Speaker 1: be nice if we could at least say, here's what
- 11:40Speaker 1: we know to be a fact about 9-11 and who
- 11:44Speaker 1: allowed it to happen when we could have taken him
- 11:46Speaker 1: out a lot earlier. George, as always, thank you, man,
- 11:50Speaker 1: for your input. Appreciate you. Appreciate it, Dan. Thanks so much.
- 11:53Speaker 1: You take care. All right. Coming up after the break,
- 11:57Speaker 1: Vice President J.D. Vance held a press conference earlier today,
- 12:00Speaker 1: flanked by FBI Director Kash Patel, Attorney General Todd Blanch,
- 12:04Speaker 1: Administrator of Small Business Kelly Loeffler. Why? Announcing even more
- 12:08Speaker 1: fraud busts across our country. This time, well, one's linked
- 12:12Speaker 1: to COVID-era business loans, of course. We've got the details
- 12:15Speaker 1: on that straight ahead. Plus, a statue of our friend
- 12:19Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk that was just unveiled last week in front
- 12:22Speaker 1: of TPSA headquarters in Phoenix has already been defaced by,
- 12:25Speaker 1: I would assume, another Wacko liberal, Charlie's good friend, Jack Posobiec,
- 12:30Speaker 1: is here with reaction next. And did you hear about
- 12:35Speaker 1: this guy who got duct taped at 30,000 feet because
- 12:38Speaker 1: he couldn't shut his mouth? He had to make racist remarks.
- 12:42Speaker 1: He tried to fight somebody, steal somebody's laptop. Well, we've
- 12:47Speaker 1: got the gentleman that was sitting right next to him
- 12:49Speaker 1: and was the brunt of this psycho's rant. He'll join
- 12:52Speaker 1: us a bit later in the program. Stay with us.
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- 13:35Speaker 5: We think it makes sense that if you were caught
- 13:36Speaker 5: stealing from the American taxpayer, you shouldn't be able to
- 13:39Speaker 5: benefit from these loans anymore. So we're going to suspend
- 13:43Speaker 5: about 870,000 people from being able to access these funds
- 13:46Speaker 5: in the future and from being able to borrow money
- 13:48Speaker 5: from the American taxpayer. If you screwed the American taxpayer,
- 13:52Speaker 5: the federal government is now going to say you're cut
- 13:54Speaker 5: off no more. You shouldn't be applying anymore. And if
- 13:57Speaker 5: you do apply, you're no longer able to get those benefits.
- 14:01Speaker 1: Thank you, Mr. Vice President, for making consequences cool again.
- 14:05Speaker 1: I love that he's so casual, kind of like Trump, right?
- 14:09Speaker 1: If you screwed us over, we're coming to get you.
- 14:12Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. In case you missed it, our vice
- 14:14Speaker 1: president was at FBI headquarters in Kansas City today speaking
- 14:18Speaker 1: about COVID-era loan fraud.
- 14:21Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
- 14:23Speaker 1: Other officials, FBI Director Kash Patel, the Small Business Administrator
- 14:26Speaker 1: Kelly Loeffler, our AG, Todd Blanch, all there. Now, they're
- 14:30Speaker 1: telling us today roughly 870,000 borrowers are being suspended in
- 14:37Speaker 1: connection with about $ 39 billion in suspected fraud. Yeah, I
- 14:43Speaker 1: knew people were taking advantage of that COVID money. Per
- 14:46Speaker 1: Attorney General Blanch, 80 people already facing criminal charges for
- 14:50Speaker 1: cases tied to at least $ 245 million in stolen cash,
- 14:54Speaker 1: treating our tax dollars like their own piggy bank. AG
- 14:57Speaker 1: Blanch also provided some examples of fraud to show just
- 15:00Speaker 1: how egregious the fraud was. Listen up.
- 15:03Speaker 7: In one case out of the Western District of Missouri,
- 15:05Speaker 7: which encompasses Kansas City, Jamie Gray allegedly attempted to steal
- 15:10Speaker 7: more than $ 55 million from taxpayers by filing hundreds of
- 15:16Speaker 7: these loans. He claimed to own dozens of businesses that
- 15:20Speaker 7: were in operation prior to the pandemic, but in every
- 15:23Speaker 7: instance but one, these businesses didn't even exist.
- 15:29Speaker 1: What a bunch of Joining me now with reaction, he's
- 15:32Speaker 1: a political commentator and attorney at the Napa Legal Institute
- 15:36Speaker 1: and author.
- 15:36Speaker 2: Of the book, J.D.
- 15:37Speaker 1: Vance and the Future of the Republican Party, Frank DeVito
- 15:41Speaker 1: on Real America for the First Time. Frank, thanks for
- 15:44Speaker 1: coming on.
- 15:45Speaker 6: Happy to be here.
- 15:46Speaker 1: I am loving the fact that they are busting this fraud.
- 15:50Speaker 1: Who should be worried? Because I have a feeling a
- 15:52Speaker 1: lot of people applied for those loans that didn't deserve it. Yeah.
- 15:57Speaker 8: Well, who should be worried? I would say opponents of
- 15:59Speaker 8: JD Vance on the political level. And then in terms
- 16:02Speaker 8: of these loans, everybody who took one who didn't do
- 16:06Speaker 8: what they were supposed to do, right? I mean, this is,
- 16:08Speaker 8: first of all, I voted for this. Love to see it.
- 16:11Speaker 8: Second of all, I think this is such a great action,
- 16:14Speaker 8: both for the good of America and politically, because this
- 16:17Speaker 8: should satisfy everyone, right? On the fiscal hawk side, it's like, yeah,
- 16:21Speaker 8: let's go after the billions and billions of dollars in
- 16:23Speaker 8: fraud that we all know is there.
- 16:25Speaker 6: Like Vance said in this speech, We all know it.
- 16:27Speaker 6: We all know that the.
- 16:28Speaker 8: Protocols weren't in place, that it was real easy to
- 16:30Speaker 8: take advantage of this. All the governors during PPP knew
- 16:32Speaker 8: this was going on. And so it's great to actually
- 16:36Speaker 8: see the resources and more importantly, the will to just
- 16:39Speaker 8: implement and go after this.
- 16:41Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 16:42Speaker 1: Why Kansas City, just one place where they found a
- 16:45Speaker 1: bunch and they're going to be moving around and doing
- 16:46Speaker 1: this elsewhere? Give me some background on the COVID because, again,
- 16:50Speaker 1: we've watched them now bust Medicaid, Medicare fraud. We've seen
- 16:53Speaker 1: them go after the SNAP program, food stamps. They've been
- 16:56Speaker 1: going after the hospice and leering or learning centers. So,
- 16:59Speaker 1: I mean, we know there's fraud everywhere, Frank, but why
- 17:02Speaker 1: key in on now the COVID loans and will this
- 17:05Speaker 1: be nationwide?
- 17:07Speaker 6: Yeah, it is nationwide.
- 17:09Speaker 8: So there was an earlier investigation on some of this
- 17:11Speaker 8: fraud that pinpointed five states. And then what they said
- 17:14Speaker 8: in the speech today is that this follow-up investigation led
- 17:17Speaker 8: to fraud across another 45 states. So it's very much
- 17:20Speaker 8: a nationwide effort. Why Kansas City? I mean, they clearly
- 17:23Speaker 8: had a lot of cooperation from the state and federal
- 17:26Speaker 8: authorities there. They were focusing on some fraud in the heartland,
- 17:30Speaker 8: as they said, in this particular initiative.
- 17:33Speaker 6: But I love to see it.
- 17:33Speaker 8: I think this is a great turn to stop making
- 17:36Speaker 8: everything so DC-centric, right? Rather than have every press conference
- 17:39Speaker 8: in front of the White House, in front of the Capitol,
- 17:41Speaker 8: to go out to America and tell real Americans what
- 17:44Speaker 8: the government is doing all over the country.
- 17:47Speaker 6: It's a great look. I love to see this.
- 17:49Speaker 1: I agree. Matter of fact, let's run this soundbite from
- 17:52Speaker 1: my friend Cash, our FBI director, who announced some more
- 17:56Speaker 1: fraudster scumbags who they just busted.
- 17:59Speaker 9: Just this past weekend, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, along
- 18:02Speaker 9: with our international law enforcement partners, captured Emily Tai, a
- 18:05Speaker 9: most wanted fraudster on our most wanted fraudster list in Vietnam,
- 18:09Speaker 9: who had been there hiding since at least 2023. She
- 18:12Speaker 9: herself was responsible for more than $ 100 million of Medicaid fraud.
- 18:17Speaker 9: So as a result of the vice president's most wanted
- 18:19Speaker 9: fraudsters list, this FBI and our state and local partners,
- 18:22Speaker 9: along with our international law enforcement partners, have captured six
- 18:25Speaker 9: of the most wanted fraudsters on planet Earth. spanning every
- 18:28Speaker 9: almost every continent in the world and totaling over $ 2
- 18:31Speaker 9: billion in just three short months.
- 18:34Speaker 1: Mentioned this earlier, but it deserves a showing it again. 17.5 billion.
- 18:39Speaker 1: The treasury department's uncovered and suspected healthcare fraud folks. There
- 18:43Speaker 1: is so much fraud in Medicare and Medicaid. And then
- 18:46Speaker 1: don't forget, too, they're also going after people that defraud
- 18:51Speaker 1: our voting system. And they just announced six people have
- 18:53Speaker 1: been charged with illegally voting, fraudulent voter registration, and identity fraud.
- 18:59Speaker 1: So if you're committing fraud out there, Frank, since President
- 19:03Speaker 1: Trump put J.D. in charge of this fraud team, I'd
- 19:07Speaker 1: start packing your bags and watching your six because they're
- 19:10Speaker 1: coming for you.
- 19:12Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right.
- 19:12Speaker 8: And you love to see it. Like I said, this
- 19:14Speaker 8: is going to recover some money, which we could use
- 19:17Speaker 8: when we're hitting $ 40 trillion in debt, but also prospectively, right?
- 19:21Speaker 8: Like it's going to make the fraudsters say, oh, wow,
- 19:24Speaker 8: now they're actually enforcing this.
- 19:25Speaker 6: Maybe I'm out of here.
- 19:26Speaker 8: And also in the process, we're accomplishing the deconstruction of
- 19:29Speaker 8: a lot of woke.
- 19:29Speaker 6: Initiatives, right? It's like we're dismantling USAID.
- 19:32Speaker 8: We're going after foreign nationals who are funneling our tax
- 19:35Speaker 8: dollars out of this country.
- 19:37Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 19:37Speaker 6: Saving money. We're killing woke. Let's do it. This is
- 19:40Speaker 6: good on so many levels.
- 19:41Speaker 1: I love the way you're putting that. That is true.
- 19:43Speaker 1: We're getting rid of that woke BS that was being
- 19:46Speaker 1: funded with our money besides just nailing the overall fraudster.
- 19:50Speaker 1: Frank DeVito, thank you, brother. Appreciate you. He's an attorney
- 19:52Speaker 1: again over at the Napa Legal Institute, and he wrote
- 19:55Speaker 1: that new cool book, J.D. Vance and the Future of
- 19:57Speaker 1: the Republican Party. Frank, your first time on. You're welcome
- 20:00Speaker 1: back anytime, my friend. Thank you, sir.
- 20:02Speaker 6: Happy to be back. Thank you.
- 20:03Speaker 1: Take care. All right. Coming up next, a new warning
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- 20:52Speaker 2: That AI could kill us all by the end of
- 20:55Speaker 2: the decade, how would that happen?
- 20:59Speaker 5: Like, what would that actually look like?
- 21:02Speaker 10: Yeah.
- 21:03Speaker 11: So the precise scenario sounds a little bit like science fiction.
- 21:07Speaker 11: It sounds like something that's not real, but I think
- 21:09Speaker 11: it is frighteningly real. And it's easiest to understand it
- 21:12Speaker 11: if you think about real things that happened two months ago.
- 21:15Speaker 11: So two months ago, OpenAI agents, AIs, hacked into third-party
- 21:20Speaker 11: infrastructure entirely at their own accord. And this was like
- 21:23Speaker 11: a concentrated hacking spree that they carried out of their
- 21:27Speaker 11: own volition. And I think that if you extrapolate into
- 21:30Speaker 11: the future the level of capabilities of these AIs, with
- 21:33Speaker 11: the same independent volition, they could cause extreme havoc.
- 21:37Speaker 1: Uh, now do you see why, folks? I'm very concerned
- 21:41Speaker 1: about AI, artificial intelligence. That man right there in that
- 21:45Speaker 1: CNN interview is Jacob Coxon, a British researcher with a
- 21:48Speaker 1: huge warning about the dangers of AI. Now, he spent
- 21:52Speaker 1: the last three years, he claims, working for OpenAI and Anthropic,
- 21:57Speaker 1: and he just left, quit Anthropic, because he's worried about
- 22:01Speaker 1: the rapid pace of AI development, and not just in Europe,
- 22:07Speaker 1: in America, around the globe. In fact... In his resignation
- 22:11Speaker 1: post last week, there it is, he said that these
- 22:15Speaker 1: AI companies are gambling with our lives. He also says
- 22:20Speaker 1: executives and researchers within this world of AI are privately
- 22:25Speaker 1: worried that AI could cause a global catastrophe, even human extinction,
- 22:32Speaker 1: despite telling the public everything's fine. We got a handle
- 22:36Speaker 1: on it. No problem. What's more disturbing, folks? He's not alone.
- 22:41Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just a small little voice who's been
- 22:44Speaker 1: screaming from the rafters, I'm worried about this stuff taking over.
- 22:47Speaker 1: And again, no, it's, I always joke about the movie
- 22:50Speaker 1: Terminator because as any of us that are old enough
- 22:52Speaker 1: to remember, that's what pretty much almost took everybody out
- 22:56Speaker 1: in those movies, right? AI took over, humans are a
- 22:59Speaker 1: threat to the planet, so kill off all the humans. Again,
- 23:04Speaker 1: At least two other AI researchers, in addition to Jacob
- 23:08Speaker 1: we just showed you, have recently warned the world about
- 23:12Speaker 1: their concerns, saying that AI is developing so fast, there's
- 23:17Speaker 1: not enough existing safeguards to keep up. They're calling for
- 23:22Speaker 1: more safety testing. They're calling for more transparency. How about
- 23:26Speaker 1: we get some input? Same thing goes for the people
- 23:30Speaker 1: leading the charge. Anthropix CEO Dario Amadeo and OpenAI CEO
- 23:35Speaker 1: Sam Altman are both publicly calling for the industry to
- 23:39Speaker 1: slow down development of AI because they're saying safety measures
- 23:44Speaker 1: aren't keeping up with the rapid pace of development. These
- 23:47Speaker 1: calls follow several incidences involving autonomous AI agents, and the
- 23:52Speaker 1: central concern is that humans will eventually lose total control
- 23:56Speaker 1: of this technology. to their point. Entropic recently banned several
- 24:02Speaker 1: accounts for using its model CLAWD for research that could
- 24:06Speaker 1: support the development of bioweapons. Yikes. There's at least five
- 24:12Speaker 1: cases where these users got around safety protocols and they
- 24:16Speaker 1: were involved in research plans for a highly infectious strain
- 24:20Speaker 1: of bird flu. So folks, we're talking about real world
- 24:25Speaker 1: consequences here. So, What should we do? Because every time
- 24:30Speaker 1: I ask an expert, they go, well, it's already here.
- 24:33Speaker 1: We're not going to stop AI. It's here. It's not coming.
- 24:36Speaker 2: It's here.
- 24:37Speaker 1: Vice President J.D. Vance shared his thoughts with reporters earlier
- 24:40Speaker 1: today about AI. Listen.
- 24:42Speaker 12: It's something that we're concerned by, but we want to
- 24:44Speaker 12: make sure that we actually regulate smartly and we're thoughtful
- 24:49Speaker 12: about the risk here. So there are obviously risks to AI.
- 24:52Speaker 1: There are some.
- 24:52Speaker 12: Benefits to AI. I have to say just personally, I
- 24:57Speaker 12: feel a little bit weird about the fact that you
- 25:00Speaker 12: have so many frontier AI tech companies kind of coming
- 25:04Speaker 12: to the government and begging the government to regulate them.
- 25:06Speaker 12: It feels a little bit to me like a bit
- 25:08Speaker 12: of a Trojan horse. So I think we just have
- 25:10Speaker 12: to be careful about this.
- 25:13Speaker 1: I agree. I don't like that dirty R-word regulation from
- 25:16Speaker 1: the government, but I got to say, in this case,
- 25:18Speaker 1: I actually do want some. Joining me now with more
- 25:20Speaker 1: insight into all this, he's a cyber expert, CEO and
- 25:23Speaker 1: founder of the National Center for Open and Unsolved Cases,
- 25:26Speaker 1: and a former senior advisor over at the U.S. State
- 25:29Speaker 1: Department's Anti-Terrorism Assistance Program. Morgan Wright, back on the program. Morgan,
- 25:34Speaker 1: you know my concerns. You've been on before.
- 25:38Speaker 2: Here's my example.
- 25:40Speaker 1: Let's go back to 2006, Twitter. 2007, 8, Facebook. When
- 25:46Speaker 1: all the big social media networks started coming online, there
- 25:49Speaker 1: was no regulation. At the beginning, we thought, this is great.
- 25:52Speaker 1: We're going to be able to talk to Aunt Betty
- 25:54Speaker 1: on the other side of the country and learn about
- 25:56Speaker 1: culture and food from the other side of the world.
- 25:57Speaker 1: It's going to bring us all together, and we're going
- 25:59Speaker 1: to be united. Fast forward 20 years. What has social
- 26:03Speaker 1: media done without regulation, right? it has stamped out free speech,
- 26:07Speaker 1: it has spread lies, it has done all kinds of crap,
- 26:10Speaker 1: the sex revenge videos, the child porn, because we didn't
- 26:14Speaker 1: regulate it. So in this case, I think AI needs
- 26:17Speaker 1: regulation and quick. Now the key, Morgan, is what kind
- 26:21Speaker 1: of regulation, because I also don't want the government in
- 26:24Speaker 1: charge of it and then using it to spy on me.
- 26:29Speaker 2: You're a little vague there, Dan.
- 26:30Speaker 13: I'm not sure exactly how you feel about this, but
- 26:32Speaker 13: I'm going to take a stab. So, look, I liken
- 26:37Speaker 13: this back to how we handle nuclear weapons. You want
- 26:44Speaker 13: to talk about something that's dangerous. Putting a nuke in
- 26:47Speaker 13: the hands of a terrorist group, that would absolutely be dangerous.
- 26:50Speaker 13: The con network that was taken down, I had some
- 26:52Speaker 13: friends at the CIA who were responsible for helping taking
- 26:55Speaker 13: down the AmeriCon network, the nuclear proliferation network. We have
- 26:59Speaker 13: figured out ways to handle the most dangerous technologies in
- 27:03Speaker 13: the planet, and that means nuclear weapons. And I will
- 27:07Speaker 13: tell you, there's an interesting story. There's a book called
- 27:09Speaker 13: Red Star Rogue, and it's about the K-129 that sunk
- 27:12Speaker 13: about 350 miles off of Hawaii. They thought it might
- 27:16Speaker 13: have been a false flag operation to make it look
- 27:18Speaker 13: like the Chinese were launching a missile, the United States
- 27:21Speaker 13: nuclear missile. You think about this, we're getting to the
- 27:25Speaker 13: height of the Cold War. Russia and the United States,
- 27:27Speaker 13: the Soviet Union and the United States collaborated on fail-safe
- 27:31Speaker 13: technology on these nuclear weapons to ensure that no one
- 27:34Speaker 13: single person could launch these things. So I look at
- 27:37Speaker 13: that and I go, is there a lesson from Mark
- 27:39Speaker 13: Twain here? Is it basically the report of my unchecked power,
- 27:45Speaker 13: greatly exaggerated? I think there's merit in a lot of
- 27:49Speaker 13: what's being said. But here's the thing. It's what David
- 27:52Speaker 13: Sachs said. He said, look, you want to slow down,
- 27:54Speaker 13: slow down. You don't need the government to tell you that.
- 27:56Speaker 13: When I was a state trooper, I never had to
- 27:59Speaker 13: tell anybody to slow down. If you wanted to drive
- 28:02Speaker 13: 55 instead of 65, go ahead, have at it. But
- 28:05Speaker 13: when you went faster, that's when you would see me.
- 28:07Speaker 13: But I think there is a lot more here to
- 28:09Speaker 13: peel back. I think we're just in the beginnings of
- 28:11Speaker 13: figuring out how we're going to do this.
- 28:13Speaker 1: Okay. I mean, President Trump, you can throw the headline
- 28:16Speaker 1: up there, Chris, if you like. President Trump came out,
- 28:18Speaker 1: you heard J.D. 's comment right before he came on,
- 28:20Speaker 1: and he said that these extinction claims by AI wiping
- 28:24Speaker 1: us out are greatly exaggerated. Now, I've also seen some
- 28:27Speaker 1: articles out there, we may even have a few, that
- 28:29Speaker 1: have claimed that China, our biggest adversary on the planet,
- 28:33Speaker 1: forget Russia, forget Iran, it's China, we all know it.
- 28:36Speaker 1: China has been using their bots to fuel outrage over
- 28:40Speaker 1: data centers needed to keep up with AI. So of
- 28:44Speaker 1: course then what would that happen? What would occur there?
- 28:47Speaker 1: Well then China might get more data centers and they
- 28:49Speaker 1: would have more control over AI, which they want. Because
- 28:52Speaker 1: then if it's in every household, China's got control of it.
- 28:55Speaker 1: So I get that a lot of the fear out
- 28:58Speaker 1: there about AI and the data centers might be coming
- 29:00Speaker 1: from our biggest adversary. But I also think, Morgan, that
- 29:03Speaker 1: some of these concerns are legitimate. I mean, when you've
- 29:07Speaker 1: got Sam Altman and the guys that are creating this
- 29:09Speaker 1: crap saying, we don't know the extent or the parameters
- 29:13Speaker 1: of the control of AI, and the fact that it's
- 29:15Speaker 1: already here, it's being integrated into systems, how do you
- 29:19Speaker 1: stop it? You can slow down. But everybody keeps telling me,
- 29:21Speaker 1: you can't stop it. It's already here. Everybody keeps developing it,
- 29:24Speaker 1: and it's getting integrated in our different systems and protocols.
- 29:28Speaker 1: So that's my concern, Morgan. No, no, no.
- 29:31Speaker 13: And that's a fair concern to have. And it's like,
- 29:34Speaker 13: we just don't know enough about this yet to really
- 29:36Speaker 13: craft effective legislation or regulatory environment. It's different than Sarbanes-Loxley.
- 29:41Speaker 13: We had CEOs out there stealing money.
- 29:43Speaker 1: I mean, it was simple.
- 29:44Speaker 13: They tried suing them. That didn't work. They tried regulating them.
- 29:46Speaker 13: That didn't work. So they passed legislation. When's the last
- 29:49Speaker 13: time you saw a CEO being perp walked in orange?
- 29:51Speaker 13: It's been a long time. This is fundamentally different. I mean,
- 29:54Speaker 13: I think back to when I was a detective and
- 29:56Speaker 13: we were working title threes, lawful intercepts. Some of the
- 30:00Speaker 13: laws were written in 1929 when we were looking at
- 30:03Speaker 13: phones that had to use large copper, long copper wires
- 30:06Speaker 13: to do this. Nobody thought about the internet and voice
- 30:08Speaker 13: over IP. So I think part of our challenge is, look,
- 30:11Speaker 13: when I testified before Congress in 2013 on the safety
- 30:15Speaker 13: and security of healthcare.gov, the big hearing that they had
- 30:17Speaker 13: about that, I can tell you many members of Congress,
- 30:20Speaker 13: they can tell you about alternative minimum tax. They can
- 30:22Speaker 13: talk about other issues. But when it comes to technology,
- 30:26Speaker 13: they think too short-sighted. In other words, some of our
- 30:29Speaker 13: regulation needs to be about Let's talk about outcomes. Where
- 30:32Speaker 13: do we want to be in two years? Don't tell
- 30:34Speaker 13: me the specifics because that's what these models will change
- 30:37Speaker 13: faster than the ink, the time it takes the ink
- 30:39Speaker 13: to dry on the paper. So let's start talking about
- 30:42Speaker 13: outcomes we need and make sure our legislation encompasses that.
- 30:44Speaker 13: I'd go back to Isaac Asimov, three rules of robotics.
- 30:47Speaker 13: That could be the beginning of how we handle some.
- 30:49Speaker 1: Of these things. All right. Well, something needs to be done.
- 30:52Speaker 1: I also don't want my government getting too involved because
- 30:55Speaker 1: we know what happens when government gets involved. But again,
- 30:58Speaker 1: with something as dangerous as AI could turn out to
- 31:00Speaker 1: be in the wrong hands, then I do want some regulation.
- 31:05Speaker 1: There we go. It's hard to get me to say
- 31:07Speaker 1: that dirty R word, being a conservative. Morgan, as always,
- 31:11Speaker 1: thank you for coming on, sir. Appreciate you.
- 31:13Speaker 6: You bet, Dan.
- 31:14Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 31:14Speaker 2: All righty, straight ahead.
- 31:15Speaker 1: Well, it was only in place for about 48 hours
- 31:18Speaker 1: before a wacko decided to deface it. We're talking about
- 31:21Speaker 1: that beautiful Charlie Kirk statue that was unveiled in front
- 31:24Speaker 1: of the TPUSA headquarters in Phoenix last Thursday to mark
- 31:28Speaker 1: the one-year anniversary since his assassination. So, do police have
- 31:31Speaker 1: any suspects? Our good friend Jack Posobiec will join us
- 31:34Speaker 1: with a reaction when we come back. For all of
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- 32:05Speaker 1: and conservative talk you can't get anywhere else. Didn't even
- 32:25Speaker 1: make it 48 hours, folks. You see what we're facing
- 32:27Speaker 1: right there? A culture of hostility, of violence, of evil.
- 32:31Speaker 1: If you haven't heard yet, and we had just told
- 32:34Speaker 1: you about this last Thursday, I think, right after it
- 32:37Speaker 1: went up, that brand new Charlie Kirk statue that was
- 32:40Speaker 1: installed in Phoenix out in front of TPSA headquarters was
- 32:44Speaker 1: vandalized over the weekend. I believe it was Sunday early
- 32:47Speaker 1: morning hours around 1 a.m., so Saturday night, let's call it. Literally,
- 32:50Speaker 1: it was put up Thursday morning. My goodness. The memorial
- 32:55Speaker 1: statue was built to honor Charlie, and it was unveiled
- 32:58Speaker 1: on the one-year somber anniversary of his assassination. Now, currently,
- 33:02Speaker 1: no suspects have been arrested. Phoenix Police Department reviewing the
- 33:05Speaker 1: security cam, trying to find the scumbag who did it.
- 33:08Speaker 1: TPSA vowing to restore the statue and replace some of
- 33:13Speaker 1: the signage that was also vandalized. In the meantime, as
- 33:16Speaker 1: we wait for answers, I want to highlight a response
- 33:19Speaker 1: from his widow, Erica. Not only did she say that
- 33:22Speaker 1: they'll be cleaning up all the mess and restore it
- 33:24Speaker 1: even better than before, she also says they will never
- 33:27Speaker 1: give up and never surrender. And I say amen to that, Erica.
- 33:31Speaker 1: We always have your back, especially with all of this
- 33:34Speaker 1: hate that's been directed towards you. We know the truth
- 33:38Speaker 1: here at this program. Now, if you want to understand
- 33:40Speaker 1: how we got here, look no further than the scumbags
- 33:44Speaker 1: in the Democrat Party, than the liberal stenographers in the
- 33:47Speaker 1: mainstream media. They've been lying about Charlie since the minute
- 33:51Speaker 1: this young man came on the scene. Matter of fact,
- 33:54Speaker 1: just days after Charlie was fatally shot at Utah Valley
- 33:58Speaker 1: University last September, Congressman Ilhan Omar, I can't believe I
- 34:03Speaker 1: have to call her a congresswoman, trashed him in an interview.
- 34:07Speaker 1: with Don Lemon. If you don't remember it, watch this crap.
- 34:11Speaker 10: It is a tragedy that Charlie Kirk was killed in
- 34:14Speaker 10: that way. I feel for his widow and his children.
- 34:19Speaker 10: They will have to live with that for the rest
- 34:20Speaker 10: of their lives. But there is no legacy to honor.
- 34:24Speaker 10: It was a legacy filled with bigotry, hatred, and white supremacy.
- 34:28Speaker 10: And as a Black woman and as a Muslim in
- 34:31Speaker 10: this country, I refuse for... I refuse to join the
- 34:36Speaker 10: chorus that changes the history of what is on the
- 34:41Speaker 10: record from this man.
- 34:42Speaker 1: Cut her off, cut her off, cut her off. Obviously, she,
- 34:47Speaker 1: like the rest of the lunatic left, just used the
- 34:49Speaker 1: talking points about our friend Charlie instead of actually ever
- 34:52Speaker 1: watching one single video clip of him having a civil
- 34:56Speaker 1: conversation debate with people on the other side of the
- 34:59Speaker 1: political aisle. You, ma'am, should be sent home packing. Now,
- 35:03Speaker 1: you can start calling me a bigot. I don't give
- 35:05Speaker 1: two you-know-whats. Join me now to sound off about what
- 35:08Speaker 1: they did to the statue over the weekend and just
- 35:10Speaker 1: how the media, Democrats, and leftists treat Charlie and his legacy.
- 35:15Speaker 1: He's a Turning Point USA contributor and the author of
- 35:17Speaker 1: the book on human socialist revenue, or revolution, rather, pardon me.
- 35:21Speaker 1: And he's one of us, OAN alumni, Jack Posobiec, back.
- 35:24Speaker 2: On the program.
- 35:25Speaker 1: Jack... Your first reaction when you heard about the statue
- 35:28Speaker 1: being defaced about 49 hours after it was put up.
- 35:31Speaker 1: You probably weren't surprised, but you had to be pissed
- 35:34Speaker 1: off like me.
- 35:36Speaker 14: We're going to say, Dan, thanks again for having me on.
- 35:38Speaker 14: And it's always good to come home here to OAN. Look,
- 35:40Speaker 14: my first reaction was we're going to catch them. We're
- 35:42Speaker 14: going to catch anyone who did this. We're going to
- 35:44Speaker 14: come after them. We're going to go on offense. And
- 35:46Speaker 14: anyone who is celebrating this thing, celebrating the murder of
- 35:49Speaker 14: our friend Charlie. celebrating the destruction, committing acts of vandalism.
- 35:54Speaker 14: And by the way, this is an incitement to violence
- 35:56Speaker 14: because you can see they use the blood red paint
- 35:59Speaker 14: to visualize the blood gushing from Charlie in one of
- 36:04Speaker 14: the most horrific videos we've ever seen in our lives,
- 36:07Speaker 14: crossing out the name of Jesus because it terrifies them
- 36:11Speaker 14: because the name of Jesus and prayer to Jesus causes
- 36:14Speaker 14: these demons pain.
- 36:15Speaker 1: I said, you know what? Bring it on.
- 36:18Speaker 14: Bring it all on because we're going to defend this statue.
- 36:20Speaker 1: And you know something?
- 36:21Speaker 14: We're going to put up 10 more of these statues
- 36:24Speaker 14: and then 100 more of these statues. We're going to
- 36:25Speaker 14: put statues up this like everywhere because we are not
- 36:30Speaker 14: going to stop. We're not going to back down. We're
- 36:33Speaker 14: going to catch every single person who does this and
- 36:36Speaker 14: we're going to put them behind bars.
- 36:38Speaker 1: Jack, I think you may have talked about this a
- 36:39Speaker 1: few months ago when you came on, but I'll tell
- 36:41Speaker 1: you the last year, the vitriol has gotten so nasty
- 36:45Speaker 1: when it comes to people trying to play detective and
- 36:49Speaker 1: internet sleuth and disprove that Tyler Robinson is the one
- 36:53Speaker 1: that pulled the trigger. Now, I'm not going to sit
- 36:55Speaker 1: here and say I know for 100% because I think
- 36:57Speaker 1: I'm an internet sleuther, I'm a detective or an attorney,
- 37:00Speaker 1: that he definitely was the lone gunman. But right now,
- 37:03Speaker 1: the evidence, him telling his family, his boyfriend, everybody else
- 37:07Speaker 1: saying he did it, and the DNA evidence and the
- 37:10Speaker 1: phone tracking and all the stuff does point that he's there.
- 37:13Speaker 1: Doesn't it bother you that so many people, and not
- 37:16Speaker 1: just on the left, folks that used to be considered
- 37:18Speaker 1: part of the MAGA or America First movement, are out
- 37:21Speaker 1: there trashing Erica, his widow, your friends and colleagues at TPUSA?
- 37:28Speaker 1: I mean, they're throwing folks under the bus and saying
- 37:30Speaker 1: the nastiest stuff out there, and I've had enough of it, Jack.
- 37:33Speaker 1: I am so sick and tired of this crap. I
- 37:35Speaker 1: just wanted to get your thoughts on that.
- 37:36Speaker 14: Well, I'm sick of it as I'm sick of it
- 37:37Speaker 14: as well, and the attacks on Erica are obviously disgusting.
- 37:40Speaker 14: The attacks on Turning Point and Charlie's Legacy are obviously disgusting.
- 37:43Speaker 14: TPUSA would not be in the position that it's in
- 37:47Speaker 14: today had Erica not stepped into the breach, stood in
- 37:50Speaker 14: the gap, and as I've always said, been the cornerstone
- 37:53Speaker 14: for Turning Point to rally around in the midst, one
- 37:58Speaker 14: glimpse of light in the midst of the most heavy darkness.
- 38:03Speaker 14: And To see these folks, it reminds me, honestly, Dan,
- 38:06Speaker 14: of these people in the Lindsay Clancy trial. It's the
- 38:09Speaker 14: same exact type of brain rot, really. I don't know
- 38:12Speaker 14: if it's too much TikTok or too much of the
- 38:14Speaker 14: true crime on Netflix, but they all sit and think that, oh,
- 38:18Speaker 14: it's got to be the husband that did it in
- 38:20Speaker 14: the Lindsay Clancy case.
- 38:21Speaker 3: Yep.
- 38:22Speaker 14: Make endless TikTok reels, none of which are based in
- 38:24Speaker 14: evidence whatsoever. And I said, my gosh, the same thing
- 38:26Speaker 14: they do in Charlie's case, because I went there and
- 38:29Speaker 14: I actually sat in the courtroom for an entire week.
- 38:32Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw you on some of the video coverage.
- 38:34Speaker 14: Long days as with Tyler Robbins sitting right there, with
- 38:38Speaker 14: his family sitting right there, Erica and Charlie's parents were
- 38:41Speaker 14: sitting right next to me, of course. And we heard,
- 38:44Speaker 14: and this was just a week of the preliminary evidence,
- 38:46Speaker 14: not even all the evidence, just the tip of the
- 38:48Speaker 14: iceberg that they had. And of course, they played the
- 38:50Speaker 14: video of Lance Twiggs. So And when I hear this,
- 38:52Speaker 14: I say, wait a minute, this isn't Kash Patel and
- 38:55Speaker 14: the FBI saying that Tyler Robinson did it. It's it's
- 38:58Speaker 14: Tyler Robinson's own family members. It's Tyler Robinson's own boyfriend
- 39:03Speaker 14: saying it.
- 39:04Speaker 1: It's not them.
- 39:05Speaker 14: It's it's these people who were closest to him saying
- 39:07Speaker 14: that Tyler Robinson did it. In addition to Tyler Robinson
- 39:11Speaker 14: himself and even his own lawyers, I think we're more
- 39:14Speaker 14: focused on the death penalty. than they were on actually
- 39:18Speaker 14: proving innocence.
- 39:19Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think his attorneys at all have ever
- 39:20Speaker 1: tried to say he didn't do it. They're just trying
- 39:22Speaker 1: to keep him from getting killed. You know, I think-
- 39:25Speaker 1: Which is their job.
- 39:25Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
- 39:27Speaker 1: We're not going to fold him for that. That's why
- 39:28Speaker 1: we have our judicial system and he's allowed to a
- 39:30Speaker 1: fair trial and fair representation. I'll end with this. I
- 39:33Speaker 1: think because so many Americans, whether they were left, right, independent,
- 39:36Speaker 1: political or not, realized that COVID was a pandemic. A
- 39:39Speaker 1: big portion of the country realized that the 2020 election
- 39:41Speaker 1: was rigged. I think because of all that and JFK
- 39:45Speaker 1: way back in the day, everybody thinks everything now was
- 39:47Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory and that anything the government says is
- 39:50Speaker 1: a lie. So there's no way Tyler killed Charlie. It's
- 39:53Speaker 1: got to be something else. Would you agree with that,
- 39:55Speaker 1: that people are just so enamored by these other conspiracies,
- 39:58Speaker 1: which were true, that now everything is one?
- 40:01Speaker 14: Yeah, I do think that there's a situation where people
- 40:03Speaker 14: have been lied to so much by the federal government
- 40:05Speaker 14: that there's almost a knee-jerk response that people should be skeptical.
- 40:09Speaker 14: And of course, in a free country, you should always
- 40:11Speaker 14: be skeptical of the government. You should always be skeptical
- 40:14Speaker 14: of official narratives. That's something, of course, I've always said.
- 40:17Speaker 14: But at the same time, like I said a minute ago,
- 40:20Speaker 14: it's not the government that is quote-unquote telling you this.
- 40:23Speaker 14: It's the closest people to Tyler Robinson. And unfortunately, trans-associated
- 40:27Speaker 14: violence is something that has affected community after community in
- 40:32Speaker 14: the United States, murder after murder, shooting after shooting, sometimes
- 40:36Speaker 14: even with little children involved. And so this anti-white, anti-Christian,
- 40:41Speaker 14: trans movement has claimed many lives, and one of them
- 40:44Speaker 14: includes Charlie Kirk.
- 40:45Speaker 1: Sure does. There's about, what, 10 or 12 shootings we
- 40:48Speaker 1: can go back to over the last 10 years, and
- 40:50Speaker 1: it's somebody that was trans, non-binary, questioning whatever. It's a
- 40:54Speaker 1: trend that we've seen. You're exactly right, Jack. And I'll
- 40:56Speaker 1: tell you, I'll just end with this. Folks, do you
- 40:58Speaker 1: know how many thousands of people you would have to
- 41:01Speaker 1: get involved to do a cover-up conspiracy like the whole
- 41:04Speaker 1: the microphone exploded type thing? Then why did 3,000 people
- 41:08Speaker 1: turn around and look up at the building when they
- 41:10Speaker 1: heard the gunshot if it was a microphone? Give me
- 41:12Speaker 1: a break, folks. Think about it with common sense. Thank you, Jack,
- 41:16Speaker 1: for coming on and being a voice of reason, common sense,
- 41:19Speaker 1: and support to Eric and TPUSA. God bless you, brother.
- 41:22Speaker 1: Thank you, Dan.
- 41:23Speaker 6: God bless.
- 41:23Speaker 1: Yep, you take care. Up next... Have you seen the
- 41:27Speaker 1: viral image? Show it to them. I gotta go from
- 41:32Speaker 1: sadness and laugh about something real quick. This commercial airline
- 41:36Speaker 1: passenger got so nasty on a flight last week that
- 41:39Speaker 1: flight attendants and passengers had to restrain him with duct tape. Why? Well,
- 41:43Speaker 1: the guy sitting right next to him knows and has
- 41:46Speaker 1: all the answers, and he'll be our guest coming up next.
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- 42:20Speaker 1: you can't get anywhere else. Folks, you probably wonder what
- 42:51Speaker 1: was going on in that video right there. Well, Things
- 42:55Speaker 1: have been getting a little crazy at 30,000 feet over
- 42:57Speaker 1: the last few years, haven't they? And you may have
- 43:00Speaker 1: seen an image last week on your social media feed
- 43:07Speaker 1: of this clown. I'm sorry. Every time I see this,
- 43:11Speaker 1: the picture went viral. The video I just showed you
- 43:14Speaker 1: when they were confronting the man and duct taping him
- 43:16Speaker 1: didn't go viral. This did. So anyway, let me back
- 43:19Speaker 1: up and give you the details on who this clown is.
- 43:23Speaker 1: This man boarded a flight from Dallas to Newark on
- 43:26Speaker 1: American Airlines and then opened his big, fat, dirty mouth.
- 43:31Speaker 1: His name is Arthur Lundy. He's from Arizona. He's 67
- 43:35Speaker 1: years old. And most people thought he seemed like a
- 43:37Speaker 1: pretty normal passenger. Until he started harassing the flight staff
- 43:43Speaker 1: and then assaulting one of his fellow passengers. Lundy, mysteriously,
- 43:48Speaker 1: just out of the blue, started using racial slurs and
- 43:51Speaker 1: vulgar language and then got physical. And his actions got
- 43:56Speaker 1: so dangerous, again, according to folks sitting next to him
- 44:00Speaker 1: and the flight crew, that the pilot decided to make
- 44:03Speaker 1: an emergency landing in Baltimore. Once the plane landed, he
- 44:07Speaker 1: was arrested And then the media got the picture and
- 44:10Speaker 1: they ran with it and it went crazy. Now, here's
- 44:12Speaker 1: the problem. The mainstream media only got about 20% of
- 44:17Speaker 1: this story reported. It was a small glimpse into what
- 44:21Speaker 1: was actually going on and why this loudmouth idiot got
- 44:25Speaker 1: duct taped. Well, it has to do with our next guest,
- 44:29Speaker 1: a repeat guest on the program who actually was the
- 44:32Speaker 1: center of this ridiculous man's hostility. And that's why he
- 44:36Speaker 1: got duct taped.
- 44:38Speaker 2: And I saw what actually happened. I witnessed it all
- 44:41Speaker 2: from the beginning. In fact, I was the only one
- 44:45Speaker 2: on that plane to see what really happened. The article
- 44:49Speaker 2: speaks of an unnamed or unidentified passenger. Well, I was
- 44:54Speaker 2: the unidentified passenger. And I was actually attacked 30,000 feet
- 45:03Speaker 2: in the sky. I was attacked on that plane. There's
- 45:08Speaker 2: more to this story than the media will ever tell
- 45:10Speaker 2: you or know. There's more to the story than even
- 45:12Speaker 2: the people on the plane realized and the crew realized
- 45:16Speaker 2: or the FBI realized when they came on. Nobody knows,
- 45:20Speaker 2: and I am now revealing it.
- 45:24Speaker 1: So joining us now, the passenger who was on the
- 45:27Speaker 1: receiving end of that lunatic at 30,000 feet. You've seen
- 45:31Speaker 1: him before in the program. He's an author of multiple books,
- 45:34Speaker 1: but the brand new one, which, as Jonathan's going to
- 45:37Speaker 1: fill us in, might have been at the center of
- 45:39Speaker 1: all this controversy, the altar of Pergamon. Joining us now,
- 45:44Speaker 1: Jonathan Cahn. on Real America. Jonathan, I'll admit, I was
- 45:48Speaker 1: one of those dumb Americans. I saw the duct taped guy,
- 45:52Speaker 1: thought hilarious, read the headline, read the first paragraph of
- 45:54Speaker 1: the article, doesn't mention you, wasn't talking about anti-Semitic slurs
- 45:59Speaker 1: or your book or anything, just said a guy got loud,
- 46:02Speaker 1: cussed at somebody, was using racial slurs, and they duct
- 46:05Speaker 1: taped him. What's the real story? What was this clown
- 46:08Speaker 1: doing that led to all this? Welcome back, by the way.
- 46:11Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 46:11Speaker 2: Well, I was, first of all, this may sound wild,
- 46:15Speaker 2: but it's absolutely true. I knew there was going to be,
- 46:19Speaker 2: that week, it was a good chance that I was
- 46:21Speaker 2: going to be attacked. And the reason why I'm saying that,
- 46:23Speaker 2: and also people around me in the ministry, I'm also,
- 46:25Speaker 2: I'm an author, but I'm also a minister. They were
- 46:29Speaker 2: praying because of this. My wife knew about it before
- 46:32Speaker 2: anything happened because Every time I write a book, strange
- 46:36Speaker 2: things happen and attacks happen against me. So the thing
- 46:40Speaker 2: is that here I go on the plane. The Altar
- 46:43Speaker 2: of Pergamon has just been released on Tuesday. I'm coming
- 46:46Speaker 2: home from speaking about it on television. I get on
- 46:49Speaker 2: the plane. I'm sitting next to this guy. The guy
- 46:51Speaker 2: is nice, and he's engaging me. He just wants to talk,
- 46:55Speaker 2: and he's going on, and we're two hours. So at
- 46:57Speaker 2: one point I say a little prayer. I say, God,
- 47:01Speaker 2: give me a way to share your love with this guy.
- 47:04Speaker 2: So I'm sharing, sharing about Jesus, sharing about being born again,
- 47:07Speaker 2: all that. And then he said, well, how do you
- 47:09Speaker 2: know God is real? And I start telling him things
- 47:11Speaker 2: that happened in my life where God was actually moved powerfully.
- 47:16Speaker 2: And so at that point, he switches. It's like a
- 47:19Speaker 2: light switch. It's like another voice, another person.
- 47:23Speaker 1: The demons had him.
- 47:24Speaker 2: And that's what, okay.
- 47:26Speaker 1: You said the demons had him, Jonathan, right? A demon
- 47:28Speaker 1: had him.
- 47:29Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, and I don't speak about the
- 47:31Speaker 2: guy's state, except to say what happened on that plane
- 47:34Speaker 2: was demonic. I mean, just like that. He starts, he says, like,
- 47:38Speaker 2: he has a secret for me. And he whispers something.
- 47:40Speaker 2: It's an obscenity, a profanity. And then he says, go
- 47:43Speaker 2: blank yourself. Then he starts cursing God, cursing Jesus, which
- 47:46Speaker 2: they don't tell you in the reports. That's what it
- 47:49Speaker 2: was about. And he is, yeah, he's lewd, he's vulgar,
- 47:53Speaker 2: he's saying stuff. It's going on for like a half
- 47:54Speaker 2: an hour. At the same time, when he saw the book,
- 47:59Speaker 2: the book, and this is just the real story, Don,
- 48:03Speaker 2: the thing is that the book is about exposing the devil.
- 48:06Speaker 2: You know, it's the works of the mystery that touches
- 48:09Speaker 2: everything in the world, has touched world history. It's exposing it.
- 48:12Speaker 2: It's the altar of permanence, the throne of Satan.
- 48:14Speaker 1: We expect this.
- 48:14Speaker 2: So this was like a demonic thing. When he sees
- 48:16Speaker 2: the book, he starts shouting, shouting and saying, why did
- 48:19Speaker 2: you do that? Why did you like, like I shouldn't
- 48:21Speaker 2: have written, written it. And then at one point, he,
- 48:23Speaker 2: one point he's literally choking me, you know, but, but it's,
- 48:27Speaker 2: it's not, it's not like I'm going to die. It's
- 48:29Speaker 2: not like, it's like he's laughing and like he's showing
- 48:31Speaker 2: me something joking. I said, well, then at one point,
- 48:34Speaker 2: I mean, I'm condensing a half an hour. He goes,
- 48:37Speaker 2: he says, I'm going to, I'm going to punch your
- 48:41Speaker 2: blanking Jewish face in. They didn't report that in the
- 48:45Speaker 2: media either. And then I'm kind of saying, guys, we
- 48:48Speaker 2: need some help over here. Then he starts hitting me. Okay.
- 48:51Speaker 2: You know, but not like, not like we're in a fight,
- 48:53Speaker 2: but like he's trying to provoke me to a fight.
- 48:55Speaker 1: Sure.
- 48:55Speaker 2: I'm calling for help. Then something says, okay, this is
- 48:58Speaker 2: exactly what happened. I said, he's going to, he's going
- 49:01Speaker 2: to try to destroy your computer. Now, I write everything
- 49:04Speaker 2: on my computer. I wrote the book on my computer.
- 49:07Speaker 2: I just knew it. And this is in the spiritual realm.
- 49:10Speaker 2: But so I close up my computer, put it on
- 49:14Speaker 2: my side, take my cell phone. I'm about to get
- 49:16Speaker 2: off from that seat to get out of there. He
- 49:19Speaker 2: lunges at me. He lunges at the computer. He is
- 49:22Speaker 2: trying to take the computer and to wrest it away,
- 49:25Speaker 2: undoubtedly to destroy it. We're fighting on the plane. This
- 49:28Speaker 2: is why he was duct taped. He's trying to destroy
- 49:31Speaker 2: the computer on which I wrote the Altar of Pergamon.
- 49:33Speaker 2: And we're back and forth. Finally, I mean, the plane
- 49:37Speaker 2: is stunned. The pilot is radioing down to make an
- 49:39Speaker 2: emergency landing. I'm fighting with this guy. Finally, I rested
- 49:44Speaker 2: away from him and get out. At that point, there
- 49:47Speaker 2: were two... They were two, like a retired police officer. Finally,
- 49:53Speaker 2: they got up because nobody was able to do anything.
- 49:55Speaker 2: They got over there. He starts fighting with them. And,
- 49:59Speaker 2: you know, this is a 67-year-old realtor, vice president. He's biting.
- 50:04Speaker 2: He's trying to bite. He's making unintelligible sounds.
- 50:07Speaker 1: Now, Jonathan, let me just throw this out there for
- 50:09Speaker 1: the people that are nonbelievers because they'll be like, sure,
- 50:13Speaker 1: he's blowing this all up to sell his book. Did
- 50:15Speaker 1: you smell alcohol? Did you see him have any drinks?
- 50:17Speaker 1: People say he was drunk. He was drunk.
- 50:19Speaker 2: Well, I think on the plane he might have had two, okay?
- 50:22Speaker 1: That's it.
- 50:23Speaker 2: That's not drunk.
- 50:24Speaker 1: Two drinks is not drunk.
- 50:26Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I can't say what he did before, but
- 50:28Speaker 2: I can say it was, listen, this is two hours
- 50:30Speaker 2: on the flight. He is the friendliest guy in the world, intelligent.
- 50:34Speaker 2: Until you brought the book up. And it was literally
- 50:37Speaker 2: like that. And so, yeah.
- 50:39Speaker 1: Because I believe you. I firmly believe. We've heard a
- 50:42Speaker 1: lot about demonic possession over the last couple of years,
- 50:45Speaker 1: especially considering a very high-profile talk show host admitting demons
- 50:49Speaker 1: visited him in his sleep, and now he's changed his,
- 50:52Speaker 1: you know who I'm talking about. I do. Yeah. I
- 50:54Speaker 1: don't mention his name anymore because I think it's disgusting
- 50:56Speaker 1: which way he's gone. But my point being is I
- 50:59Speaker 1: believe you fully that the minute you brought up this book.
- 51:02Speaker 1: And by the way, with the last minute we have,
- 51:04Speaker 1: tell them what the book's about one more time, because
- 51:06Speaker 1: I think people are so focused on the fight at 30,000
- 51:09Speaker 1: feet and the duct tape. They're missing the new book.
- 51:12Speaker 1: And by the way, Jonathan's the one we had on
- 51:13Speaker 1: a few months ago for the Dragon's Prophecy. Yeah. Our
- 51:16Speaker 1: friend Dinesh D'Souza, who then did the film about it.
- 51:18Speaker 1: We loved having you guys talk about that. All your
- 51:20Speaker 1: books have been amazing. So go ahead, Jonathan.
- 51:22Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. And listen, if I was talking to you, Dan,
- 51:24Speaker 2: and we're talking about the book, I would lift it up.
- 51:25Speaker 2: And now I'm lifting it up also because this is
- 51:27Speaker 2: what he saw. Look at that cover. This whole thing's
- 51:30Speaker 2: about spiritual warfare. And it says the altar of the pyramid,
- 51:33Speaker 2: the mystery of the dark angel, the future of the world.
- 51:35Speaker 2: So this is what you're gonna, and this is the
- 51:38Speaker 2: mystery that's so big That is behind, it's altered world history.
- 51:41Speaker 2: It is behind everything from Hitler to the Cold War
- 51:44Speaker 2: to what's happening now. There's everybody watching. Your life has
- 51:46Speaker 2: already been affected by this book. But I write it
- 51:49Speaker 2: as a kind of thriller so people who are not believers,
- 51:51Speaker 2: people can give it to them because it's like a
- 51:54Speaker 2: God Da Vinci code. But this is what it's about.
- 51:58Speaker 2: I could not have controlled the events.
- 51:59Speaker 1: No, very telling that the minute you told him what
- 52:01Speaker 1: it was about, he went from a two-hour friendly conversation...
- 52:05Speaker 1: like you said, and then the voice changed. And we've
- 52:08Speaker 1: seen this in people, right? You've seen it in some
- 52:10Speaker 1: of the trans shooters and aggressive trans folks. They'll be
- 52:13Speaker 1: sounding normal, and the minute you trigger them, their voice changes,
- 52:16Speaker 1: and they become almost like they're possessed. Sounds like this realtor.
- 52:21Speaker 1: Maybe better get to church, do some praying, and ask
- 52:23Speaker 1: God to come into his life. Jonathan Cahn, the book
- 52:26Speaker 1: is The Altar of Transition. Pergamon, thank you so much
- 52:29Speaker 1: for telling your story. Now everyone knows the truth about
- 52:32Speaker 1: why this man was duct taped at 30,000 feet. Jonathan,
- 52:36Speaker 1: watch your back out there. Maybe you need some security,
- 52:38Speaker 1: my friend.
- 52:39Speaker 2: I'll just have an extra roll of duct tape with me.
- 52:43Speaker 1: All right. You stay safe.
- 52:45Speaker 2: All right, Jonathan.
- 52:46Speaker 1: God bless you, my friend. Take care.
- 52:47Speaker 2: You too.
- 52:48Speaker 1: God bless.
- 52:49Speaker 2: Wow.
- 52:50Speaker 1: All right. Now we got the facts. Before we say
- 52:52Speaker 1: good night, I want to show you about a couple
- 52:53Speaker 1: of the guests that are going to be on Tuesday
- 52:55Speaker 1: night's show. First and foremost, looking to have him back.
- 52:58Speaker 1: He did a quick little cameo last week down at
- 53:01Speaker 1: the GOP convention in Dallas. Well, our friend, actor and
- 53:04Speaker 1: country singer John Schneider will be back tomorrow night. Why? Well,
- 53:08Speaker 1: he's on a brand new TV show called The Great
- 53:11Speaker 1: American Road Rally Celebrity Edition. And they are going cross
- 53:15Speaker 1: country on the historic Route 66 all while raising money
- 53:19Speaker 1: for their individual charities. And they got a slew of
- 53:23Speaker 1: some of your favorite 80s and 90s and early 2000
- 53:25Speaker 1: actors and actresses to drive these cool cars. Folks our age,
- 53:29Speaker 1: we're going to appreciate this. Anyway, John will be here
- 53:32Speaker 1: tomorrow night. Make sure you tune in, 8 Eastern, 5 Pacific.
- 53:36Speaker 1: And that does it for another Real America here on OAN.
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