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55KRC Friday Show - Tech Friday, Peter Bronson, Epoch Times, Steve Goodin, Jack Windsor · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: 505-55-KRC, the talk station.
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Speaker 2: Friday, yay! Sugar, use a vacation. There you go. Has
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Speaker 2: to be Friday.
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Speaker 3: Got to woohoo.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Joe Strecker, executive producer. My name is Brian Thomas,
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Speaker 2: host of this program, the 55K RC Morning Show. Glad
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Speaker 2: to be here. And I'm sure glad it's Friday. Gosh,
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Speaker 2: I love my Fridays. Ah, what is coming up? You
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Speaker 2: know it's Friday, so that means Tech Friday with Dave Hatter.
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Speaker 2: Today at 6.30, beginning, we'll talk about Samsung. This is
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Speaker 2: so funny. The topic just makes me crack up. Samsung's
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Speaker 2: artificial intelligence refrigerator update. I mean, those words together crack
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Speaker 2: me up. Anyway, it went so badly that some of
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Speaker 2: the refrigerators just quit working. I just, you know, I'm
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Speaker 2: so in the camp of why get an artificial intelligence
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Speaker 2: thing with Dave Hatter, Internet of Things devices. He talks
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Speaker 2: about it almost every single week. It's like, why would
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Speaker 2: I need my refrigerator hooked up to the damn Internet? Oh,
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Speaker 2: it'll take account of what's in your refrigerator, what you
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Speaker 2: need to buy and what you don't have. I can
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Speaker 2: do that by loping it up and looking in it. Oh, look,
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Speaker 2: we're out of milk. Put milk on the Kroger list.
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Speaker 2: No problem. Anyhow, other topics include Northern California City declaring
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Speaker 2: an emergency after malware disrupted their 911 public safety system.
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Speaker 2: And also, this is one I absolutely hate, internet-connected cars.
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Speaker 2: And apparently they're providing information to Google as well as
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Speaker 2: an ad to trackers, so you can't escape it in
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Speaker 2: your car. Get a car with a Faraday cage around it.
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Speaker 2: It's one of those things. You know, it's one of
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Speaker 2: the nefarious things, and I don't know if there's a
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Speaker 2: legitimate connection between the two, but you remember when Barack
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Speaker 2: Obama said, we're going to pay you, what, $ 8, 000 for
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Speaker 2: all cars that precede some certain date, and they poured
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Speaker 2: sand into the engine blocks and otherwise rendered them incapable
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Speaker 2: of being repaired down the road. Imagine all of the non-connected,
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Speaker 2: non-computer cars that disappeared from the planet during that period
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Speaker 2: of time. Yeah, they're not out there anymore, which is
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Speaker 2: apparently why it costs you an arm and a leg
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Speaker 2: to buy a mid-' 70s Ford Bronco. or something. People look, uh,
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Speaker 2: people out there looking for those in studio. Peter Bronson.
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Speaker 2: He'll be joining the program at seven Oh five. And
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Speaker 2: you know, it's a great opportunity to have Peter on. Uh,
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Speaker 2: I was just, uh, getting a reading from Joe Strecker.
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Speaker 2: Cause when Peter comes in, we usually talk about his
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Speaker 2: books and it's a perfect time to talk about Peter
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Speaker 2: Bronson's books. Cause you can get them for Christmas presents.
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Speaker 2: They're awesome. He writes a great book. It's history, local history,
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Speaker 2: and he does an amazing job. So Peter's going to
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Speaker 2: be joining the program at 7.05. We'll have a great
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Speaker 2: conversation with him, always. He's brilliant. Janice Heisel, she's from
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Speaker 2: Epoch Times. She's written a great article, and it's so,
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Speaker 2: I don't know, disgusting, maybe not the word for it.
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Speaker 2: This drumbeat that's been going on for a little more
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Speaker 2: than a decade, or roughly a decade, about getting rid
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Speaker 2: of Christopher Columbus statues everywhere. And, of course, came to
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Speaker 2: a head during the post-George Floyd incident as if the
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Speaker 2: issues with George Floyd had anything to do with Columbus.
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Speaker 2: Of course, he is an evil man. According to the protesters,
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Speaker 2: he doesn't deserve any credit or praise in spite of
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Speaker 2: the fact that he changed the course of human history by, well,
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Speaker 2: traversing the Atlantic Ocean, opening up trade. And, yeah, there
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Speaker 2: were some ripple effect problems with that and had some
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Speaker 2: problems with his crew who apparently didn't follow Christopher Columbus's orders.
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Speaker 2: But was it all bad? Is it worth tearing it down?
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Speaker 2: And Italian-Americans, what about their history?
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Speaker 3: Huh.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not entitled to have some, you know, prominent figure. And,
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Speaker 2: you know, having a Christopher Columbus statue, you can talk
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Speaker 2: about the benefits that he brought to the world. And
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Speaker 2: you can also talk about the negatives because is anything perfect?
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Speaker 2: It's just like the discussion of America. There's so much
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Speaker 2: good you can talk about, but that overshadows the bad
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Speaker 2: and how evil we are in a variety of different areas. Okay, well,
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Speaker 2: sprinkle the downsides with all of the good sides, and
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Speaker 2: ultimately you'll come up with a conclusion that, well, the
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Speaker 2: upsides are so much more important and outweigh so much
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Speaker 2: the downsides that we can celebrate and acknowledge our warts,
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Speaker 2: but talk about how we've gotten better over time. So, okay,
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Speaker 2: Columbus is not a perfect guy, but he had stones
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Speaker 2: like nobody's business. He's going off into the great unknown.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is a period of time when some
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Speaker 2: still believe the world was flat, although we do have
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Speaker 2: flat earthers around today. See how stupid people can be? Oh,
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Speaker 2: it's the evolution of intellect. Oh, wow, the world's not
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Speaker 2: flat anymore. Anyway, so she's going to be talking about that.
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Speaker 2: 805 with Janet Heisel from the Epoch Times. If you're
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Speaker 2: looking for the article, Joe will post a link to it, 55KRC. com.
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Speaker 2: Columbus statues become targets across America. Italian-Americans are fighting back. Finally,
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Speaker 2: after Janice departs, we'll talk with Jack Windsor from the
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Speaker 2: Ohio Press Network. We'll be talking about the Vivek online
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Speaker 2: rumors that are in need of debunking. Lots of lies
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Speaker 2: out there about Vivek Ramaswamy. And also why you should
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Speaker 2: not vote for Alison Russo for Secretary of State. Jack,
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Speaker 2: bring in the receipts, as he does every Friday here
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Speaker 2: on the 55KRC Morning Show. Love to hear from you.
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Speaker 2: Pound 550 on AT & T phones. A little schadenfreude
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Speaker 2: this morning for me. Certainly not the top issue or
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Speaker 2: story going on in the world. But let me start
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Speaker 2: with the European Union delaying its new methane rules. Why?
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Speaker 2: Because they have to. Because they realize they cut their
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Speaker 2: own throat with these rules that are fast approaching, taking
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Speaker 2: effect in January next year, would have required foreign oil
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Speaker 2: companies and gas suppliers to the European Union to monitor
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Speaker 2: and report methane emissions. Now, that was an extraordinarily costly
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Speaker 2: obligation the European Union has placed on the industry. They
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Speaker 2: want to buy the products from the industry. They're making
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Speaker 2: the industry, obviously, who wants to sell their products to
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Speaker 2: the European Union because there's profit in it, obviously coming
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Speaker 2: at a lesser profit margin since they would have to
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Speaker 2: comply with all these ridiculous, onerous rules regarding methane. Described
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Speaker 2: as the second most dangerous and planet-threatening gas, A greenhouse
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Speaker 2: gas right behind my favorite, carbon dioxide, plant food. So
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Speaker 2: they're delaying the proposed changes. United States, along with Qatar, Nigeria,
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Speaker 2: and Algeria, warned the EU earlier this year, in June,
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Speaker 2: that the methane law could disrupt fuel deliveries. Hey, winter's coming.
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Speaker 2: You know this is going to be a problem? We
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Speaker 2: happen to be the European Union's biggest liquefied natural gas supplier,
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Speaker 2: the United States. So in a statement published on Wednesday
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Speaker 2: this week, the European Union Commission said the decision to
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Speaker 2: delay is a result of recent changes to the global
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Speaker 2: energy market. Shortages of gas and oil now could affect
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Speaker 2: the European Union's competitiveness and security. And I laughed when
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Speaker 2: I read that the first time, and I just laughed again. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: you know what else is impacting the European Union's competitiveness
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Speaker 2: and security? Chasing the global warming climate change tail that
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Speaker 2: you've been doing for so long. crippling, most notably, the
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Speaker 2: most powerful economic engine in the European Union, Germany. You've
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Speaker 2: made it unaffordable for people to compete. Your green policies,
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Speaker 2: you're shutting down nuke plants, which, interestingly enough, they're considering reopening.
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Speaker 6: Why?
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Speaker 2: Because it was stupid to shut them down in the
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Speaker 2: first place.
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Speaker 6: Huh.
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Speaker 2: What are we going to do for power? All the
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Speaker 2: hell with power. We have carbon dioxide to eliminate. Now,
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Speaker 2: these changes have not gone away. The statement said Europe
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Speaker 2: is preparing for a challenging winter with high energy prices,
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Speaker 2: which I, again, note, largely brought about by their own policies,
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Speaker 2: less so with the Middle East chaos, which only exacerbated
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Speaker 2: their problems. The straight-on global energy markets linked to the
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Speaker 2: conflict in the Middle East is putting pressure on energy
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Speaker 2: markets in Europe. Yeah, and so are your windmill and
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Speaker 2: zero-carbon mandates putting pressure on energy markets. Now, these changes
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Speaker 2: are going to come in force in 2028, but apparently
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Speaker 2: the importers will have until May 31st of 2029 to
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Speaker 2: prove that the oil and gas that was bought during
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Speaker 2: the prior year, calendar year 2028, complied with the EU's
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Speaker 2: methane monitoring and reporting rules. Now, one can only guess that.
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Speaker 2: With that hindsight review and the providing of that information
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Speaker 2: in calendar year 2029, for the prior year's methane monitoring,
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Speaker 2: if the prior year's methane emissions exceed whatever random and
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Speaker 2: arbitrary or arbitrary limit that the EU placed on it,
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Speaker 2: then what's the penalty? You've already used it up. I
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Speaker 2: guess the methane's out into the world. I mean, that
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Speaker 2: was last calendar year when our methane emissions went out
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Speaker 2: into the globe. I bet there's a fine associated with it.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, you can exact money out of the evil oil
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Speaker 2: companies they're coming up with. And so I argue that
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Speaker 2: This is more about exacting money from the evil oil
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Speaker 2: companies than it is about, well, reducing methane emissions. Evil methane.
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Speaker 2: Once you label something evil, you can tax it.
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Speaker 6: Huh.
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Speaker 2: Syntax. Justified. Based on, I will continue my rant, based
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Speaker 2: on a lie.
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Speaker 4: A lie.
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Speaker 2: They said methane, the second largest source of greenhouse gas
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Speaker 2: emissions after CO2, abating methane is therefore one of the
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Speaker 2: fastest and most effective ways to reduce global warming. It
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Speaker 2: has great energy savings benefits.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 2: There will be methane production. I don't know enough about
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Speaker 2: the technology to reduce methane to know whether or not
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Speaker 2: you can implement a complete methane capture. They want methane
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Speaker 2: to be reduced within certain limits. That's what the reporting
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Speaker 2: is all about.
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Speaker 3: Fine.
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Speaker 2: Exceed it, probably pay a fine, which will not take
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Speaker 2: the methane out of the world, but will end up
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Speaker 2: with money in the European Union's pocket. Problem not solved.
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Speaker 2: It merely exists as a form of additional taxation. That
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Speaker 2: is my take on it anyway. And, of course, over here,
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Speaker 2: we're busy eradicating the ridiculous throat-cutting rules that Biden administration
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Speaker 2: put in place. So we're going in the opposite direction. 516-55KRC,
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Speaker 2: It is 520. It is Friday, as evidenced by and
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Speaker 2: like I do. Ah, what is going on? Yeah, Hassan
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Speaker 2: is not going to be executed live stream. Nidal Hassan,
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Speaker 2: who murdered a bunch of people. He's an idiot. He's
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Speaker 2: a Muslim fundamentalist. influenced by some pretty awful people, including
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Speaker 2: American-born cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, which is really weird because yesterday,
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Speaker 2: while announcing that he is going to be executed, which
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Speaker 2: first military execution since 1961, it will take place December
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Speaker 2: 3rd at Fort Hood, and apparently it's still going to
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Speaker 2: involve a firing squad, which is fine. If you're going
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Speaker 2: to execute somebody, what does it really matter? although I
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Speaker 2: know cruel and unusual punishment is part of the United
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Speaker 2: States Constitution. Anyway, but he pointed out, in addition to
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Speaker 2: making the announcement on this, Trump did, he reminded the world,
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Speaker 2: and I had forgotten about this to the extent I
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Speaker 2: had previously read it, condemning the FBI's handling of Nidal
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Speaker 2: Hassan's communications with this Anwar al-Awlaki guy. Prior to the attack,
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Speaker 2: federal investigators had intercepted communications between Hassan and al-Awlaki. but
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Speaker 2: determined that the email did not constitute threat, which determination
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Speaker 2: was later criticized as what constitutes a major intelligence failure.
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Speaker 2: So there's that in the background. But Hegseth wanted to
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Speaker 2: publicly broadcast, and I get the idea. And yes, if
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Speaker 2: you consider the Bruin decision, which applies to the Second Amendment,
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Speaker 2: what was in place when the Second Amendment was created?
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Speaker 2: What did the founders have around them? What was the
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Speaker 2: norm at the time? And pretty much the norm at
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Speaker 2: the time is you can own any damn firearm you want.
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Speaker 2: There were no rules restricting you. Ergo, if you apply
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Speaker 2: modern rules restricting and they didn't exist or otherwise were
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Speaker 2: at least something that was possible during the founders' time,
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Speaker 2: they didn't put them in place. They didn't have laws
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Speaker 2: in that time. So you judge it from that point
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Speaker 2: in time. Well, when the country was founded, there were
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Speaker 2: public executions all the time. It's a deterrence thing. Look
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Speaker 2: what's going to happen to you. Part of the criminal
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Speaker 2: justice system. You know, if you do something that constitutes
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Speaker 2: a death penalty, look, here's a public execution to prove
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Speaker 2: that we will execute you, so don't do that. Different world, though.
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Speaker 2: When you view things through the lens of the Internet
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Speaker 2: and recruiting, yeah, that's the real problem with executing this
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Speaker 2: guy in public because it will be on a constant loop.
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Speaker 2: in fundamentalist countries and individuals who are seeking to appeal
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Speaker 2: to the more terror-oriented groups out there. So he will
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Speaker 2: die as scheduled by a firing squad, Trump said, but
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Speaker 2: this event will not be streamed. You know, the idea
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Speaker 2: of publicly executing was bipartisan. I know J.D. Vance came
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Speaker 2: out and said, I'm not going to watch it. Mike
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Speaker 2: Johnson said, no, this footage is going to become a
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Speaker 2: terrorist recruiting tool, and I share that conclusion. Also, it
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Speaker 2: wasn't just a couple of politicians, as reported, and Props
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Speaker 2: to the Epoch Times. 72 retired senior military officers signed
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Speaker 2: a letter opposing the live stream warning that turning the
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Speaker 2: execution into public spectacle could damage the military's reputation and,
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Speaker 2: of course, provide the propaganda for the extremists out there.
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Speaker 2: So Trump took it under advisement and ultimately, I would argue,
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Speaker 2: came out with the appropriate conclusion. So those who are
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Speaker 2: looking for justice and believe justice can only be achieved
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Speaker 2: by executing him, you get what you want. And since
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Speaker 2: it won't be broadcast live, then.
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Speaker 2: We won't provide them with the propaganda that they would
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Speaker 2: embrace and use regularly. And I've been talking about this
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Speaker 2: because I do commercials for CoverSense. You know, this isn't
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Speaker 2: a commercial forum, but the warning that the new Medicare
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Speaker 2: changes are coming out. Guess what came out yesterday on time?
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Speaker 2: So by everything I've read, and there's a great Wall
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Speaker 2: Street Journal article on it. I will direct you to
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Speaker 2: that direction. But just reach out and search for information
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Speaker 2: about the new Medicare plans. fewer benefits, higher costs, buyer beware.
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Speaker 2: If you don't choose wisely, they say you're going to
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Speaker 2: get hit with surprise bills for medications or find out
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Speaker 2: maybe too late that your doctors are no longer in
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Speaker 2: your network. And one of the warnings for this, don't
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Speaker 2: automatically renew. Third year in a row, benefits have been reduced,
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Speaker 2: bigger out-of-pocket charges such as deductibles, and you have until
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Speaker 2: December 7th to select coverage for this for 2027. But
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Speaker 2: they say don't wait long, don't automatic renew because you
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Speaker 2: may find yourself in a really, really bad place. Hospital
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Speaker 2: systems are well cutting ties with Medicare advantage plans, online
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Speaker 2: network lists for Medicare advantage plans may not be up
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Speaker 2: to date. So they say it's best to give your
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Speaker 2: doctor's office a call on the insurer call to make
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Speaker 2: sure your folks are still in the network. Shocking that
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Speaker 2: the online networks are not up to date.
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Speaker 5: Hmm.
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Speaker 2: Say, look at the fine print, uh, services that require
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Speaker 2: prior authorizations. You may find those details in the fine
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Speaker 2: print summary of benefits and also in the evidence of coverage.
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Speaker 2: If you want the least restrictive option, you can choose
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Speaker 2: traditional Medicare, but you're going to need a special supplemental policy, i.e.
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Speaker 2: a Medigap plan to protect you from big out-of-pocket charges,
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Speaker 2: and enrollment for those plans can be restricted. And across
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Speaker 2: the board, prices are going to go up, out-of-pocket costs
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Speaker 2: going up, Pharmacy, the pharmaceuticals that are available, the schedule,
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Speaker 2: that's going to change as well. They've moved some drugs
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Speaker 2: from one tier in the schedule into others, which would
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Speaker 2: result in larger out-of-pocket costs. Lots of landmines. Some of
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Speaker 2: my senior friends, folks already on Medicare and folks getting
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Speaker 2: ready to sign up for it, just giving you a
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Speaker 2: heads up. Now's the time when you have to start
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Speaker 2: Back to local stories here. Said there's no evidence of
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Speaker 2: gunfire after an emergency alert was issued yesterday afternoon after
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Speaker 2: university said the Butler County Sheriff's Office got a call
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Speaker 2: Red Hawk alert. went out to students, faculty, staff, that
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Speaker 2: an active threat had been reported on campus and people
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Speaker 2: were urged to avoid the area. The university statement said,
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Speaker 2: while investigating the call, OPD officers spoke to multiple witnesses
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Speaker 2: Buildings were searched, surrounding area was searched, no evidence of
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Speaker 2: an active threat, and finally an all-clear was issued. 40
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Speaker 2: minutes later, 2.40 p.m. So nothing to see here ultimately.
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Speaker 2: I guess better safe than sorry without question. uh one
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Speaker 2: of the suspects charged in the murder of seven-year-old william
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Speaker 2: evans ellis has just been sentenced for attacking a woman
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Speaker 2: year old kirby rankin sentenced to a total of 360
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Speaker 2: days in jail with two days credit plus an $ 18, 000- plus
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Speaker 2: restitution order after being convicted of aggravated menacing and assault,
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Speaker 2: also prohibited from having any contact with the victim. Now,
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Speaker 2: Fox 19 reporting on this one. Previous coverage on Mr. Rankin,
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Speaker 2: who is described as transgender and uses she, her pronouns.
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Speaker 2: obligating no one on the planet to use similar pronouns
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Speaker 2: if they have a problem with calling someone an opposite
20:34
Speaker 2: sex and recognizing the importance of the English language from
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Speaker 2: a definitional standpoint. Thank you for allowing me to get
20:41
Speaker 2: that out of my system. Anyway, let's see. She, her pronouns.
20:48
Speaker 2: Pushed a 57-year-old woman named Amy Bunnell. This is at
20:52
Speaker 2: the Jungle Jim's International Market parking lot in Fairfield. This
20:55
Speaker 2: happened on January 4th. and then punched her in the face. Apparently,
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Speaker 2: the incident started when Rankin accused the victim of nearly
21:03
Speaker 2: hitting him, her. See, they use her in the news reporting. Anyway,
21:12
Speaker 2: as the vehicle that he, she was backing out into
21:14
Speaker 2: a parking space, when confronted about it, the victim said
21:18
Speaker 2: she was unaware, apologized. Rankin, however, would not let her
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Speaker 2: walk away and then attacked the victim. Bunnell claims she
21:25
Speaker 2: tried to take photos and call the police, which made
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Speaker 2: Rankin angrier. I was shaken, terrified, really just hurting, she said.
21:31
Speaker 2: I was in a lot of pain at that point.
21:32
Speaker 2: According to the incident report, Rankin threatened to shoot Bunnell
21:36
Speaker 2: while brandishing a firearm. He didn't point the gun at her,
21:43
Speaker 2: but did point it at a witness who tried to
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Speaker 2: stop the attack. Bunnell taken to Mercy Hospital Fairfield, diagnosed
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Speaker 2: with a concussion. Later found out she had three fractured teeth,
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Speaker 2: a torn meniscus, and an X-strain. After yesterday's sentence, Rankin
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Speaker 2: taken back to the Hamilton County Justice Center, now held
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Speaker 2: on multiple charges for the murder of Evans Ellis, who
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Speaker 2: was found dead inside a closet. Next hearing scheduled for
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Speaker 2: November 19th, if you're not doing anything.
22:08
Speaker 4: 535.
22:11
Speaker 2: 55KRCD Talk Station. Can you play John the Fisherman?
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Speaker 4: 540.
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Speaker 2: Just add 541. I think if I've got a CD
22:22
Speaker 2: talk station. Do you think it'd be a good thing
22:27
Speaker 2: or a bad thing if listeners could hear our off-air comments,
22:30
Speaker 2: Joe Strecker?
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Speaker 5: No?
22:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going with you on that one. How about
22:35
Speaker 2: some bass, Les? Well, and I got to bring this
22:47
Speaker 2: up because it's a remarkable use of AI. Tony Clark,
22:50
Speaker 2: who works here at iHeartMedia, and who's a member of
22:53
Speaker 2: Blessed Union of Souls or Reunion of Souls, depending upon,
22:56
Speaker 2: you may remember that band. Very popular. He was the
22:58
Speaker 2: bass player. So he's putting up these artificial intelligence photographs,
23:02
Speaker 2: just like Joe Strecker does after we talk at Jack Atherton,
23:05
Speaker 2: which is on the podcast page. Tech Friday's Dave Hatter.
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Speaker 2: He'll put an AI-generated Dave Hatter with a tinfoil hat
23:11
Speaker 2: on or something. They're comical as hell. So for whatever reason,
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Speaker 2: Tony posts a picture of himself with a camel in
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Speaker 2: a roller coaster. And it looks real, except an 800-
23:22
Speaker 2: to 2,000-pound camel is not going to fit in the
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Speaker 2: front of the roller coaster, which is what I commented
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Speaker 2: on as a segue to, you know, you need to
23:28
Speaker 2: create an AI image that's a little bit more plausible.
23:30
Speaker 2: So what you need to do is create an artificial
23:32
Speaker 2: intelligence image of you, Jaco Pistorius, Bootsy Collins, and Les
23:37
Speaker 2: Claypool in a Miata. I was trying to think of
23:42
Speaker 2: a small car that wasn't a Volkswagen Beetle like the
23:44
Speaker 2: old 60s stuffed people into it, record efforts. Anyway, there
23:50
Speaker 2: it is. Friends with Tony Clark, he posted it up
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Speaker 2: the other day. I tagged Bootsy Collins on the reply.
23:55
Speaker 2: I don't know if Bootsy saw it, but anyhow. Well done, Tony. Funny.
24:00
Speaker 2: And that segues over to this one. First stack of
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Speaker 2: stupid for the morning. Christine Colleen West, who's 56. Arrested
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Speaker 2: October 3rd by police responding to neighborhood complaints about her
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Speaker 2: yelling and making banging noises.
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Speaker 3: Phrasing.
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Speaker 2: Hold on to that sound bite, Joe. Officers got there.
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Speaker 2: They found her completely naked on her front porch. According
24:21
Speaker 2: to police statements, she stated officers several times that she
24:26
Speaker 2: had been drinking. Also stating that she walked out of
24:29
Speaker 2: her house naked because she and her boyfriend were butting heads.
24:33
Speaker 2: phrasing yeah that is an urban dictionary slang term i
24:37
Speaker 2: i took the liberty of looking it up although i
24:39
Speaker 2: don't think that's anything what she was talking about anyway
24:42
Speaker 2: you do your own research on that one hence the
24:45
Speaker 2: comments coming on air after the off-air comments exchange between
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Speaker 2: strecker and myself anyway the boyfriend told police he didn't
24:52
Speaker 2: call them for fear of getting in trouble well how's
24:57
Speaker 2: that for an illustration of being in a terrible relationship Yeah,
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Speaker 2: your wife is drunk, she's naked, and you apparently can't
25:04
Speaker 2: deal with it yourself, but you're afraid to call the police.
25:08
Speaker 2: So what did he do? According to the police report,
25:10
Speaker 2: he locked the door and let her yell, hoping someone
25:14
Speaker 2: else would call police and incur the wrath and ire
25:17
Speaker 2: of Christine Colleen West. Anyway, she was arrested for public indecency,
25:22
Speaker 2: released on her own recognizance under the condition she, well,
25:25
Speaker 2: undergo behavioral health assessment and be subject to random drug
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Speaker 2: and alcohol testing.
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Speaker 8: As is tradition.
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Speaker 3: Indeed.
25:35
Speaker 2: Okay. Officer responded to Campbell Park, 7.37 a.m., following a
25:39
Speaker 2: call regarding a naked man in the area. This is
25:43
Speaker 2: in St. Petersburg, Florida.
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Speaker 8: As is tradition.
25:47
Speaker 2: Where they located 43-year-old Carlos Luis Miller Araka, walking through
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Speaker 2: the park completely naked. Officers questioned him. He reportedly first claimed,
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Speaker 2: this is good, created, first claimed he was participating in
26:03
Speaker 2: a nude art exhibit.
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Speaker 6: What?
26:08
Speaker 2: You got to give him props for spur-of-the-moment creativity. See,
26:13
Speaker 2: I mean, in this modern society, that's actually plausible. He
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Speaker 2: then told officers he believed he was at a nude resort.
26:23
Speaker 2: Police have not released additional details regarding what led him
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Speaker 2: to be in the park or when any children were
26:29
Speaker 2: present or even why he was actually naked. Arrested, charged
26:33
Speaker 2: with exposure to sexual organs. Authorities also officially trespassed him
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Speaker 2: from Campbell Park. So he can't go there anymore. You're safe.
26:41
Speaker 2: 545-55-KRC-D Talk Station. You have more of that coming up
26:44
Speaker 2: if you care to stick around for it.
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Speaker 8: Talk Station.
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Speaker 3: 549-55-KRC-D Talk Station.
26:52
Speaker 2: 513-749-5500, 800-823-TALK, 950 on AT & T phones. Bear with me, Bobby, online,
26:59
Speaker 2: or Bobby on the phones, because I've got to read
27:01
Speaker 2: this stack of stupid stories because it involves Bobby. Well,
27:07
Speaker 2: Bobby Hill from the King of the Hill series, if
27:09
Speaker 2: you're familiar with that one. Sheriff's investigating asking for public
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Speaker 2: to help. Apparently, a completely naked guy pulled up to
27:16
Speaker 2: a utility work zone in Upson, Georgia. completely naked, and
27:23
Speaker 2: then asked about getting a job. 3 p.m. Tuesday, investigators
27:28
Speaker 2: were called for a public indecency complaint along Yatesville Highway.
27:32
Speaker 2: Construction company was there performing utility work. One of the motorists,
27:37
Speaker 2: or one of the workers there, had to alert authorities
27:39
Speaker 2: after a dark gray Toyota Scion showed up. The driver
27:43
Speaker 2: appeared shirtless, called the worker over to ask about the
27:46
Speaker 2: ongoing utility project. Once the worker walked up, The worker,
27:50
Speaker 2: she discovered the guy was completely naked.
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Speaker 6: What?
27:54
Speaker 2: Naked guy asked the woman how to obtain a job
27:57
Speaker 2: with the construction company, telling her that he was tired
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Speaker 2: of warehouse work. Traffic control employee also told deputies that
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Speaker 2: the driver bears a strong resemblance to the cartoon character
28:09
Speaker 2: Bobby Hill from the King of the Hill series.
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Speaker 9: Dude, what the hell?
28:17
Speaker 2: They haven't identified him or found him yet. Deputies issued
28:20
Speaker 2: a lookout bulletin asking the public to help out finding
28:23
Speaker 2: the suspect described as a white man with a buzz haircut,
28:27
Speaker 2: thick lens glasses, driving a four-door Toyota hatchback Scion with
28:31
Speaker 2: a 1776 Georgia specialty license plate. I wonder if the
28:36
Speaker 2: alert let the public know he looked like Bobby Hill
28:38
Speaker 2: from King of the Hill. Speaking of Bobbies, Bobby, welcome
28:40
Speaker 2: to the show. Happy Friday to you.
28:43
Speaker 10: Well, happy Friday, my friend, Faith Flag family and the
28:46
Speaker 10: Democratic Party.
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Speaker 3: They never surprised me.
28:49
Speaker 2: You're going to have to break that one down, Bobby.
28:52
Speaker 2: Don't make us guess.
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Speaker 10: Well, I tell you what, it's easy to break down,
28:57
Speaker 10: and it breaks it down between premeditated murder and reckless homicide.
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Speaker 2: Oh, the jury charge, or rather the Judge Lubbers adding
29:07
Speaker 2: the reckless homicide charge in that case against the murderer
29:11
Speaker 2: of Hinton?
29:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly correct. The murder of Hinton.
29:17
Speaker 2: Well, he doesn't deny doing it. He's on video doing it. Apparently,
29:22
Speaker 2: you know, this idea that he didn't know what he
29:23
Speaker 2: was doing, why did he enter into a course correction,
29:27
Speaker 2: steering his vehicle more accurately toward the late Hinton, as
29:32
Speaker 2: opposed to maybe steering the opposite direction in order to
29:35
Speaker 2: avoid him? Anyway, you can read all the details of that,
29:37
Speaker 2: and I'm thoroughly in the camp of this guy. Did
29:40
Speaker 2: it intentionally out of anger, pure anger, and any officer
29:43
Speaker 2: around would have sufficed to satisfy his bloodlust.
29:48
Speaker 3: It's home cooking.
29:51
Speaker 2: Home cooking?
29:53
Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 10: Anytime you're going to be coming in with a Democratic
29:56
Speaker 10: like that, you know they're.
29:57
Speaker 3: Going to let him go any way they can. That's unfortunate.
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Speaker 6: It is.
30:01
Speaker 3: It's unfortunate for our community.
30:03
Speaker 2: Well, and the solution is not to hold judges criminally
30:07
Speaker 2: or rather civilly liable for anything that might happen as
30:10
Speaker 2: a consequence of their leniency on criminals. It's for us
30:13
Speaker 2: to pay closer attention and vote in better judges and
30:16
Speaker 2: get rid of the bad ones. Right, Bobby?
30:19
Speaker 3: We're doing the best we can to pay attention, my friend.
30:22
Speaker 3: It's hard to do that when you.
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Speaker 10: Have these people that vote Democrat no matter what. If
30:27
Speaker 10: they got a D next to their name, they can
30:29
Speaker 10: have an obituary next to it also.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. They're going to put them in office.
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Speaker 2: Well, that requires others to counter the stupidity. This is
30:38
Speaker 2: the reason you got to get out and vote. I've
30:39
Speaker 2: been banging the gavel of that for so long, Bobby.
30:42
Speaker 2: Appreciate the call and the reminder for everybody. Have a
30:45
Speaker 2: good day and a great weekend, my friend. Spartansburg, South Carolina,
30:50
Speaker 2: where police department said a man was arrested after he
30:52
Speaker 2: allegedly chased and beat a woman. What day is it?
30:58
Speaker 2: While naked, officers showed up at the North Forest and
31:02
Speaker 2: Wesley Streets about 11.30 in the morning, got there, found
31:04
Speaker 2: a woman wearing a ripped T-shirt standing in the roadway,
31:07
Speaker 2: said she'd been walking to the soup kitchen when Rodney
31:10
Speaker 2: Goggins stopped her. She said Goggins had been following her
31:15
Speaker 2: and doing things against her will. Police also noted a
31:20
Speaker 2: cut on the woman's neck. Police said when talking to witnesses,
31:24
Speaker 2: saw Goggins come out of the house naked, chasing the victim,
31:28
Speaker 2: forcibly stopping her, throwing her to the ground, kicking and
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Speaker 2: punching her. Witness said she yelled at Goggins to stop
31:34
Speaker 2: and then called 911. The victim got up and started
31:36
Speaker 2: walking toward the police station. Goggins followed her. Another witness
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Speaker 2: stated that around quarter to 11, she saw two people fighting,
31:43
Speaker 2: one completely naked, screaming in front of an abandoned house
31:46
Speaker 2: on Forest Street. After beating the woman, Goggins went back
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Speaker 2: into the home, put on pajama pants, returned to beat
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Speaker 2: the woman's head into the concrete.
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Speaker 3: Dude.
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Speaker 8: What the hell?
31:58
Speaker 2: Police said Goggins tried to run in front of a
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Speaker 2: patrol car while being placed in handcuffs. Booked in the
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Speaker 2: Spartanburg County Detention Center. No information on Bond. But we
32:08
Speaker 2: know if he was in Hamilton, going back to Bobby's comment,
32:10
Speaker 2: if he was here in Hamilton County, juice and a cookie,
32:17
Speaker 2: and then Joe said he would then be arrested for jaywalking. Jaywalking?
32:22
Speaker 5: Oh.
32:23
Speaker 2: That would be his only charge for walking in front
32:25
Speaker 2: of the cop car? We're going to ignore this whole
32:29
Speaker 2: beating people while naked thing, and we're just going to
32:31
Speaker 2: charge you with the offense of walking in front of
32:34
Speaker 2: a police car. Probably, Joe. And then be left on
32:38
Speaker 2: an own recognizance bond along with a juice and a cookie. 555-55-KRC,
32:42
Speaker 2: the talk station. Even Democrats out there, if you want
32:47
Speaker 2: better law enforcement, you want accountability for criminals, you don't
32:51
Speaker 2: believe in the revolving door of justice, just do yourself
32:55
Speaker 2: and everyone a huge favor. Go ahead and do what
32:58
Speaker 2: you're normally going to do and vote for all your
32:59
Speaker 2: Democrat candidates and the status quo. You're inviting that. I
33:03
Speaker 2: understand that. But for one time in your life, please
33:06
Speaker 2: get the Republican pink slip and vote for the Republican judges.
33:10
Speaker 2: Down there, you'll see it. It's pretty easy to find.
33:14
Speaker 2: If you want to transform the lives of juveniles, quit
33:17
Speaker 2: treating them with kid gloves. Get rid of Judge Blum.
33:20
Speaker 2: And vote in Magistrate Lucan, who will, I assure you,
33:23
Speaker 2: enforce the juvenile justice system and require these kids to
33:26
Speaker 2: be held accountable. The discipline that they're not obviously getting
33:30
Speaker 2: at home. Don't go away. I have plenty to talk
33:32
Speaker 2: about before we get to Tech Friday's Dave Hatter at 630.
33:33
Speaker 2: I'll be right back.
33:37
Speaker 11: Did you hear about it?
33:38
Speaker 2: Did you hear that story? Talk about it. 606-55-KRCD Talk Station.
33:42
Speaker 2: My name is Ryan Thomas. I am glad to be
33:44
Speaker 2: here because it's Friday.
33:45
Speaker 3: I'm glad to be here. I'll be here, though.
33:47
Speaker 2: Especially on a Friday, I'm glad to see Joe Strzok
33:49
Speaker 2: where he belongs. And I love the lineup for this
33:51
Speaker 2: morning because it's 6.30, of course, New and Tech Friday.
33:54
Speaker 2: Peter Bronson's going to be in the studio for a
33:55
Speaker 2: full hour. Great conversation it will be. Prater's a brilliant man,
33:59
Speaker 2: wonderful author. And, you know, you've got gift-giving time coming up.
34:03
Speaker 2: Just go to Amazon.com or later in the program there
34:05
Speaker 2: will be a link on the blog page. Type in
34:07
Speaker 2: Peter Bronson. Check out the amazing books he's written, every
34:10
Speaker 2: one of them, maybe all of them, a package gift
34:13
Speaker 2: for your friends. But you can get one of Peter's books.
34:16
Speaker 2: focusing largely on area history, and a brilliant job he does.
34:19
Speaker 2: Janice Heisel from the Epoch Times is going to be
34:21
Speaker 2: talking about this article she wrote on Columbus statutes becoming
34:25
Speaker 2: targets across America. This has been going on since, actually,
34:28
Speaker 2: before George Floyd. You know, we've got Christopher Columbus. We're
34:31
Speaker 2: all proud of him. I mean, rather, the Italian-American population
34:35
Speaker 2: just embraces him because of the, well, globally transforming reality
34:39
Speaker 2: of him sailing from Italy over to the United States,
34:43
Speaker 2: what formerly... Uncharted land, unsettled land. And people want to
34:48
Speaker 2: blame him for genocide and murdering Native Americans. And someone
34:51
Speaker 2: astute noted that, well, he didn't actually get into what
34:54
Speaker 2: we now call North America. Kind of missed the mark
34:57
Speaker 2: a little bit, but did sail across the ocean. Anyway,
34:59
Speaker 2: big controversy over that. Statues coming down, vandalized, targeted. And,
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Speaker 2: of course, the eradication of a pretty prominent point in
35:08
Speaker 2: American history is what they're after. Janice Heise will break
35:12
Speaker 2: that down for us at 8.05, followed by Jack Windsor
35:14
Speaker 2: from the Ohio Press Network on debunking Vivek online rumors.
35:18
Speaker 2: And they are swirling. Speaking of which, Vivek Ramaswamy in
35:20
Speaker 2: the program yesterday, if you didn't get a chance to
35:22
Speaker 2: listen to him.
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Speaker 12: Live, 55krc. iheart. com. Find your podcasts as well as get your
35:28
Speaker 12: iHeartMedia app. Plus, with Jack Windsor, why you should not
35:31
Speaker 12: be voting for Alison Russo for Secretary of State. To
35:36
Speaker 12: the extent I inadvertently called Rodney Hinton Jr., I referred
35:40
Speaker 12: to the Hamilton County Sheriff's deputy who was murdered by Hinton.
35:43
Speaker 12: I think I flipped them. It's Deputy Larry Henderson who
35:46
Speaker 12: was run over by Rodney Hinton. And so in addition
35:49
Speaker 12: to Judge Jody Lubbers now granting the defense request to
35:56
Speaker 12: consider a reckless homicide as a possible verdict, previously they
36:01
Speaker 12: weren't going to be charged with considering reckless homicide. It's
36:03
Speaker 12: less than the the bigger charge. He was originally charged
36:07
Speaker 12: with aggravated murder. So that, Dr.
36:12
Speaker 2: Jamie Adkins, the prosecutor's psychiatrist, apparently interviewed Rodney Hinton Jr.
36:19
Speaker 2: a couple of times, so she testified about those interviews,
36:22
Speaker 2: questioned him about what happened on May 2, 2025, the
36:25
Speaker 2: day he drove into Officer Henderson. And here's what she
36:31
Speaker 2: had to say real quick here. Adkins recounted the description.
36:34
Speaker 2: He said he was driving through Clifton after watching police
36:38
Speaker 2: body camera footage of his son being fatally shot. That's
36:41
Speaker 2: apparently what set him off. At least that's the arguments
36:43
Speaker 2: back and forth. So how badly did that set him off?
36:45
Speaker 2: Did it set him off to the point where he
36:47
Speaker 2: could no longer tell right from wrong? According to her testimony,
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Speaker 2: Hinton said, I came to a light and heard somebody
36:53
Speaker 2: say something in the car next to me because the
36:55
Speaker 2: window was down and I looked over. Then I looked
36:58
Speaker 2: back and seen that officer. And he continued. and that
37:04
Speaker 2: is when I drove the car over in his direction
37:07
Speaker 2: and hit the officer. Now, he's pleading not guilty by
37:11
Speaker 2: reason of insanity. He's claiming he was insane at the time,
37:16
Speaker 2: and also that severe mental illness prevented him from understanding
37:18
Speaker 2: the wrongfulness of his decision, which is the standard for insanity.
37:21
Speaker 2: You can't tell right from wrong, and therefore you were
37:24
Speaker 2: legally insane at the time. Atkins testified to the psychiatrist
37:28
Speaker 2: that Hinton volunteered a detail about the crash when she
37:31
Speaker 2: asked him what he remembered. Hinton said, when asked whether
37:36
Speaker 2: he knew the officer, no, I had to turn a
37:41
Speaker 2: little bit to hit him. Now, knowledge of the officer
37:45
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with the trajectory of the automobile,
37:47
Speaker 2: but he voluntarily acknowledged that he made a conscious decision
37:51
Speaker 2: to turn and hit him. Does that sound like he
37:53
Speaker 2: didn't know right from wrong? Asked whether he meant to
37:58
Speaker 2: hit Henderson, Hinton, eh, a little wishy-washy on that one,
38:02
Speaker 2: sort of. Kinda, not really. That was his response. Sorta, kinda,
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Speaker 2: not really. You choose. Like I said, I wasn't really
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Speaker 2: thinking not rationally. Like I said before, if I was
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Speaker 2: thinking right, I wouldn't have done that. Atkins also asked
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Speaker 2: Hinton what he was thinking when he saw the deputy. Quote,
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Speaker 2: I can't say my thoughts for real. I was still
38:25
Speaker 2: emotional and I was still in an emotional daze. But
38:28
Speaker 2: he did acknowledge being angry. Of course he would be
38:31
Speaker 2: because his son was shot. When asked whether he knew
38:34
Speaker 2: Henderson was not one of the officers involved in Ryan
38:36
Speaker 2: Hinton's death, he said, uh, I don't know. So, the
38:45
Speaker 2: saga continues. 513-749-5500, 800-823-TALK. Tech Friday with Dave Hattern. I'm
38:51
Speaker 2: looking forward to this. The first topic just cracked me up,
38:54
Speaker 2: and I mentioned it this morning. Samsung's artificial intelligence refrigerator system.
38:58
Speaker 2: They apparently sent out automatic updates. They went really badly.
39:01
Speaker 2: The refrigerators quit working, which led me to say something
39:05
Speaker 2: along the lines of, why didn't anybody need an internet refrigerator?
39:09
Speaker 2: Which made me think a little bit more of Internet
39:10
Speaker 2: of Things devices. So it is Friday. This could genuinely
39:13
Speaker 2: be pulled from the stack of stupid, but who needs
39:16
Speaker 2: any of the following?
39:18
Speaker 10: Ready?
39:19
Speaker 2: Quirky Egg Minder.
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Speaker 13: $ 50.
39:22
Speaker 2: Described as a smart egg tray. that connects to Wi-Fi
39:27
Speaker 2: to count your eggs. and track their freshness via a
39:31
Speaker 2: smartphone app. You remember the apps, what's hoovering up all
39:40
Speaker 2: the stuff on your phone. So, you know, you're not
39:42
Speaker 2: capable of like opening up the box of eggs or
39:45
Speaker 2: checking the expiration date of the side of the carton.
39:48
Speaker 2: Moving on to, maybe even dumber, you draw your own
39:50
Speaker 2: conclusions on the degree of stupidity. Smalt. Smart salt shaker.
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Speaker 2: Internet-connected device. Dispenses salt via an app. Features a built-in
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Speaker 2: Bluetooth speaker, mood lighting, and Amazon Alexa integration for salt. Rollbot.
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Speaker 2: You know, I bet the inventors of this stuff were
40:21
Speaker 2: sitting around in a living room on the floor, you know,
40:24
Speaker 2: think about shag carpet, got a cocktail table in the
40:26
Speaker 2: middle with a giant bong on it. They're passing around.
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Speaker 2: Big old four-car bong. I got an idea. How about
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Speaker 2: a smart salt shaker? Oh, that's awesome. Nobody's going to
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Speaker 2: buy that.
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Speaker 6: Rollbot.
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Speaker 2: A small, of course, app-controlled robot. designed to roll across
40:45
Speaker 2: your bathroom floor to deliver emergency toilet paper when you
40:48
Speaker 2: run out. Presumably that thing's within your field of vision
40:56
Speaker 2: all the time. And if it's so close to you
40:58
Speaker 2: that it's going to roll over while you get the idea.
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Speaker 2: Hydrate Spark, described as a quote-unquote smart water bottle that
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Speaker 2: glows and sinks with your phone to remind you to
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Speaker 2: take a sip of water. Karis Tassi Hair Coach. Wi-Fi
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Speaker 2: Bluetooth-enabled hairbrush that listens to the sound of your brushing
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Speaker 2: and tracks your hair care habits with a mobile app.
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Speaker 2: This one sounds like a product that requires some preparation H. Toasteroid,
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Speaker 2: which is an app-controlled toaster that prints weather forecasts Tiny
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Speaker 2: messages or images directly on your slice of toast. I
41:46
Speaker 2: guess if you have toddlers in the house, go ahead
41:49
Speaker 2: and spend money on an app-controlled toaster that'll burn little
41:53
Speaker 2: images into the toast, make the kids smile. Cloud pets.
41:58
Speaker 2: Internet-connected children's teddy bears will let parents send voice messages remotely,
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Speaker 2: which apparently had suffered a massive security and data leak
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Speaker 2: exposing private family recordings and maybe even the opportunity for
42:10
Speaker 2: some pervs to Communicate to your children remotely. Icon smart condom.
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Speaker 2: Wearable smart device marketed to track and to measure various
42:31
Speaker 2: intimate performance statistics. Why don't you just ask her? And finally,
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Speaker 2: Bluetooth toasters and salt shakers. Connected breakfast appliances forcing you
42:43
Speaker 2: to pull out a smartphone app just to manage basic heat.
42:48
Speaker 2: Or watched a toaster timer notification. And I'm sure they're
42:53
Speaker 2: inventing more and more each day. Each one of them
42:56
Speaker 2: designed with no security in mind, allowing nefarious actors to
42:59
Speaker 2: tap into your, oh, I guess, smart condom and remotely
43:06
Speaker 2: monitor your activity. 620 at 55 KRCD Talk Station. Thomas,
43:16
Speaker 2: wishing everyone a very happy Friday. Looking forward to the weekend. David,
43:22
Speaker 2: please give your regards to my father. Miss you, Dad.
43:25
Speaker 2: Over to the phones. 513-749-5500, 800-823-TALK, pound 550 on AT &
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Speaker 2: T phones. Eddie, thanks for calling this morning. Happy Friday
43:32
Speaker 2: to you.
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Speaker 11: Same to you, Brian.
43:35
Speaker 2: Thank you.
43:35
Speaker 11: Brian, this Hinton trial is.
43:41
Speaker 11: I'll let it run its course, but I was listening
43:45
Speaker 11: to some updates. Maybe it was yesterday or the day before,
43:50
Speaker 11: and it said Hinton viewed the video and then went home,
43:56
Speaker 11: took a nap, then got up and went driving around.
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Speaker 2: I do believe that is what I read as well, yeah.
44:05
Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, it's not the same thing as watching
44:10
Speaker 11: the video, leaving the building, and then, you know, you're
44:15
Speaker 11: full of rage and anger and emotion and running over
44:21
Speaker 11: that deputy. When you go home and decompress somewhat, or
44:26
Speaker 11: maybe not decompress, but regardless, it didn't happen. The attack
44:31
Speaker 11: did not happen right after watching that video.
44:34
Speaker 2: Well, that's my understanding as well. Again, I'm not there,
44:37
Speaker 2: and I know we need to allow the jury to
44:39
Speaker 2: deliberate and determine whether there's anything that allows them to
44:42
Speaker 2: have some reasonable doubt. But one of the other fun
44:44
Speaker 2: facts that came out about this, they had the Cincinnati
44:45
Speaker 2: Police Crash Reconstructionist Specialist, a guy named Mike Flam. He
44:49
Speaker 2: testified Hinton accelerated his car from a dead stop to
44:52
Speaker 2: about 50 miles per hour in five seconds, roughly, and
44:56
Speaker 2: that he did adjust his steering. Even he testified or
45:00
Speaker 2: talked to the psychiatrist about that. He adjusted his steering
45:03
Speaker 2: so he would actually— hit the officer, the deputy.
45:07
Speaker 3: Yes, yes.
45:09
Speaker 2: The expert said the defendant puts a steering end point,
45:12
Speaker 2: turns in the same direction, not towards the pole, but
45:14
Speaker 2: towards Deputy Henderson. There was some suggestion that Henderson may
45:18
Speaker 2: have been, that rather Hinton was maybe trying to commit suicide.
45:23
Speaker 2: Defense raised that possibility, said rather than target Henderson, the
45:27
Speaker 2: sheriff's deputy, he may have been attempting to take his
45:30
Speaker 2: own life. The crash expert called that laughable. Anyway, maintain
45:36
Speaker 2: the vehicle's movement, supporting his conclusion that Henderson was the
45:39
Speaker 2: intended target. Yes, it looks like he's steering toward him.
45:41
Speaker 2: In fact, there's a quote from Rodney Hinton saying pretty
45:45
Speaker 2: much just that. So I'm with you, Eddie, all day long.
45:49
Speaker 2: Just hope the jury reaches you.
45:50
Speaker 11: Real quick, the second point, I want to get this in.
45:55
Speaker 11: It's important, very important. That assault up at Jungle Gems
46:00
Speaker 11: in Butler County there.
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Speaker 2: Earlier this year.
46:04
Speaker 11: Have you followed any of that? I know you got
46:07
Speaker 11: a lot of stuff going on there, but have you
46:09
Speaker 11: seen the number of, well, first of all, it boggles
46:14
Speaker 11: my mind that that case was never presented to a
46:16
Speaker 11: grand jury. For some reason, Fairfield or Butler County didn't
46:22
Speaker 11: present that to a grand jury. That woman suffered some
46:25
Speaker 11: pretty extensive injuries and still is undergoing treatment for those injuries.
46:32
Speaker 11: and yet it was not presented to the grand jury.
46:36
Speaker 11: Had that case been presented to a grand jury and
46:40
Speaker 11: that creature indicted, well, that child that was killed in Oakley,
46:47
Speaker 11: which this creature is involved in, you know, we look
46:52
Speaker 11: back now and shoulda, woulda, coulda, but this case, the
46:56
Speaker 11: Butler County case, Brian, is outrageous that they ran with
47:00
Speaker 11: that as a misdemeanor.
47:02
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's a little difficult when you're armed
47:06
Speaker 2: with hindsight to not want to make those claims. But,
47:10
Speaker 2: you know, no one can see the future on this.
47:13
Speaker 2: And I don't know what decisions were made by the
47:15
Speaker 2: prosecutors on this one. They obviously have him for murdering
47:18
Speaker 2: the 7-year-old Evans Ellis. He's in jail for that. Soon
47:21
Speaker 2: to be tried, I suppose. But he's now been sentenced
47:23
Speaker 2: to 360 days in jail as a consequence of the
47:25
Speaker 2: attack at Jungle Gems. We do have some measure of
47:28
Speaker 2: justice being meted out here.
47:30
Speaker 3: But, yeah.
47:31
Speaker 2: You know, this is, I have some measure of sympathy
47:33
Speaker 2: out there, like going back to judges who let folks
47:36
Speaker 2: out on bail, no bond. You don't know what that
47:40
Speaker 2: person is going to do. Is he a flight risk
47:43
Speaker 2: or she, you know, what are the charges? Are they
47:46
Speaker 2: a recidivist? Have they been in the court a whole
47:47
Speaker 2: bunch of times? You take all these factors in, including
47:50
Speaker 2: the danger that may be presented to the public by
47:53
Speaker 2: allowing this person out before trial. All of that has
47:55
Speaker 2: to be considered. So, And I feel for judges who
47:59
Speaker 2: have to do this every day. Now, some are completely woke-minded,
48:02
Speaker 2: don't believe in the bail system anyway. It's just unfair
48:04
Speaker 2: to cause someone to fork over cash before they've even
48:07
Speaker 2: been convicted. That is a dangerous mindset. But you can't
48:13
Speaker 2: see the future, and you can't know what this person
48:16
Speaker 2: is going to do. Is this the moment in time
48:18
Speaker 2: while they're in front of you where they finally realize that, oh,
48:20
Speaker 2: my God, I better get my life straightened out, I
48:22
Speaker 2: better not commit any crimes, I better mind the conditions
48:25
Speaker 2: of my bail, or I'm going to be back in
48:26
Speaker 2: here in big boy prison? I don't know. But being
48:29
Speaker 2: a judge is not an easy job. And add to
48:33
Speaker 2: the job itself and what you've got to deal with
48:35
Speaker 2: each and every day. You're the one making the sentence recommendations.
48:38
Speaker 2: You're the one making the rulings. The swirling public pressure
48:42
Speaker 2: that seems to be 24-7 now thanks to social media.
48:45
Speaker 2: Doxing attacks, swatting attacks. It's a heavy weight. Requires responsible jurists.
48:53
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48:54
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Speaker 3: Always my pleasure, Brian.
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Speaker 6: Happy to be here.
49:31
Speaker 2: Not sure if you were listening. I'm not mad if
49:32
Speaker 2: you weren't, but the first article you want to talk about,
49:35
Speaker 2: the Artificial Intelligence Refrigerator, led me to get a list
49:39
Speaker 2: of some of the dumbest Internet of Things devices you
49:41
Speaker 2: could ever find, including an Internet-controlled salt shaker. Of course,
49:47
Speaker 2: it's hooked up to an app. You can get an
49:50
Speaker 2: Icon Smart Condom, wearable smart device that tracks and measures
49:55
Speaker 2: all kinds of metrics of the bedroom activity. I just
49:59
Speaker 2: couldn't believe this stuff existed. You talk about it all
50:01
Speaker 2: the time. So let's pivot back over to the story.
50:03
Speaker 2: You wanted to talk about a smart refrigerator. Just open
50:07
Speaker 2: the door and look and see what you need, for
50:09
Speaker 2: God's sake.
50:10
Speaker 6: I'm glad you brought that up, Brian. And I couldn't
50:12
Speaker 6: agree with you more because more and more we're talking
50:14
Speaker 6: about Internet of Things devices, a.k.a. smart devices. People listening
50:20
Speaker 6: can't see me doing the air quotes around that. This
50:23
Speaker 6: stuff is a privacy and security dumpster fire, as I
50:25
Speaker 6: keep saying. And we just have more and more examples.
50:27
Speaker 6: So I'm glad you looked that up. And no, I
50:29
Speaker 6: did not hear that.
50:30
Speaker 3: But.
50:32
Speaker 2: How about a $ 50 egg tray, Wi-Fi connected to count
50:36
Speaker 2: your eggs?
50:38
Speaker 6: Well, I want to come back to that. I'm glad
50:40
Speaker 6: you brought that up. On my Substack, davehatter.substack.com. This is
50:47
Speaker 6: just a blogging site. One of the things I have
50:51
Speaker 6: blogged on is why the Internet of Things, so-called smart devices,
50:55
Speaker 6: are a privacy and security dumpster fire and why you
50:57
Speaker 6: should get rid of all this garbage. Just some high-level stuff,
51:00
Speaker 6: including links to books like Mick of Opponents, If It's Smart,
51:03
Speaker 6: It's Vulnerable, where he meant anything, including the election system,
51:07
Speaker 6: by the way, is vulnerable. And then Bruce Schneier's book,
51:11
Speaker 6: Click Here to Kill Everyone. Now, Bruce Schneier is a
51:14
Speaker 6: very well-known cryptography expert. He knows more about this than
51:18
Speaker 6: I could ever hope to know. And he wrote a
51:20
Speaker 6: book called Click Here to Kill Everyone. So you tell me, Brian.
51:23
Speaker 6: But my point is, on that sub-stack, Every time I
51:26
Speaker 6: find a story like this, I add it. So you
51:28
Speaker 6: don't have to just see what I'm saying about it.
51:31
Speaker 6: You don't have to see what other experts are saying
51:32
Speaker 6: about it. I am now creating a compendium of these stories.
51:35
Speaker 6: I encourage all your listeners. I'll put it in today's
51:38
Speaker 6: show notes. Just go see for yourself. It's one after
51:43
Speaker 6: another after another of these things.
51:45
Speaker 3: It's your car.
51:46
Speaker 6: It's everything, right? But this really brings us to a
51:49
Speaker 6: finer point, especially in light of the story that came
51:51
Speaker 6: out of France. And forget about AI at this point.
51:55
Speaker 6: Does your device have software in it, and does it
51:58
Speaker 6: need software? Is it connected to the internet using that software?
52:03
Speaker 6: And ask yourself why, to your point. Why do I
52:05
Speaker 6: need to have an egg tray for $ 50 when I
52:07
Speaker 6: could get probably a $ 0. 50 egg tray, and I can
52:09
Speaker 6: look in the refrigerator and count the eggs myself, not
52:12
Speaker 6: to mention.
52:12
Speaker 2: Just keep them in the damn carton you bought them in, actually.
52:15
Speaker 3: Even better. Even better, Brian.
52:16
Speaker 6: That's what I do because I am cheap, as my
52:19
Speaker 6: wife will tell you. But imagine this for a second.
52:23
Speaker 6: Even without the issue of the security and usability issue
52:27
Speaker 6: this brings up, do you really think it's going to
52:29
Speaker 6: be helpful to you when your insurance company strikes a
52:32
Speaker 6: deal with your smart refrigerator company and they surreptitiously buy
52:36
Speaker 6: your data because you signed the terms of service that's
52:38
Speaker 6: 80 pages long? It's a confusopoly of legal and technical
52:42
Speaker 6: mumbo jumbo that you can't understand. And they're buying your
52:45
Speaker 6: data and they suddenly see that you eat 15 pounds
52:48
Speaker 6: of bacon a week. You have 30 jars of mayonnaise.
52:52
Speaker 6: You drink 42 gallons of Diet Coke and three gallons
52:56
Speaker 6: of vodka. Do you think that is going to be
52:58
Speaker 6: helpful to you in your insurance premiums? So, but anyhow,
53:02
Speaker 6: back to this particular story. And this is not a
53:05
Speaker 6: new concept.
53:06
Speaker 4: No.
53:07
Speaker 6: Brian, year after year after year, for all the years
53:09
Speaker 6: we've been doing this, you hear people like me, including me,
53:12
Speaker 6: saying software updates. You've got to install the software updates.
53:15
Speaker 6: If you didn't catch it, Brian, this past Patch Tuesday,
53:18
Speaker 6: Microsoft releases their updates once a month. They fixed 1,413 bugs.
53:21
Speaker 8: 1,413.
53:21
Speaker 6: That is an all-time record after last month's Patch Tuesday
53:23
Speaker 6: record of almost 1,000. So you've got these devices that
53:33
Speaker 6: used to just work, used to keep your drinks cold,
53:37
Speaker 6: used to make ice cubes without any of this software,
53:39
Speaker 6: no internet connections. They just work. Well, now you've got
53:42
Speaker 6: to worry about these patches. And now add to it, well,
53:46
Speaker 6: you hear me say install the patches. The patches break
53:49
Speaker 6: your refrigerator. You come home from work. Right after it
53:52
Speaker 6: dropped the dime on you to the insurance company, it
53:54
Speaker 6: updates itself, stops working, and ruins all your food.
53:58
Speaker 2: It reminds me of the 737 MAX update that resulted
54:01
Speaker 2: in pilots crashing planes in the ground because they weren't
54:04
Speaker 2: advised about the software update, Dave.
54:07
Speaker 6: Did you see the story out of France? It's kind
54:08
Speaker 6: of related, but on a commercial side, right? Because, you know,
54:11
Speaker 6: this consumer stuff is terrible garbage. But now we're ruining
54:15
Speaker 6: everything in industry with this kind of thing as well.
54:18
Speaker 6: Commercial refrigeration units in many supermarkets, I think possibly as
54:23
Speaker 6: many as 1,000 in France. This headline just came out
54:26
Speaker 6: this week. were attacked by hackers because, of course, they
54:28
Speaker 6: have software in them now, and they're connected to the internet.
54:31
Speaker 6: They were attacked by hackers. They were made to overheat. Yep.
54:36
Speaker 6: Millions of pounds of food were ruined, and in some cases, they.
54:38
Speaker 10: Caught on fire.
54:40
Speaker 6: So even better, you come home, your refrigerator has not
54:42
Speaker 6: only ruined your food, no longer works, but it's burned
54:45
Speaker 6: your house down because of a bad software update or
54:48
Speaker 6: hackers found it online using Shodan and burned.
54:50
Speaker 3: Your house down.
54:51
Speaker 2: Food for thought on that, Dave.
54:53
Speaker 6: I know this sounds crazy to people, Brian. That's partially
54:56
Speaker 6: why I started building this.
54:58
Speaker 2: I know, but I mean, how can it sound crazy?
55:00
Speaker 2: You don't come on the program to lie, Dave. You
55:02
Speaker 2: just pass along the information.
55:04
Speaker 6: Go look at the list I put together. It will
55:06
Speaker 6: be mind-blowing to you folks. It will be mind-blowing how
55:09
Speaker 6: these stories keep cropping up and they get worse and
55:12
Speaker 6: worse and worse and worse. It's not just your privacy,
55:14
Speaker 6: which is a huge problem in and of itself. It's
55:17
Speaker 6: now these things that are connected in the physical world
55:20
Speaker 6: can be manipulated and potentially hacked and weaponized. That's where
55:24
Speaker 6: we're at. Stop buying this garbage.
55:26
Speaker 2: DaveHatter.substack.com, intrustit.com, and of course LinkedIn. In.com is where you
55:32
Speaker 2: can find Dave, and he also posts the articles there. Pause.
55:34
Speaker 2: We'll come back, and we'll talk about how it's, well,
55:36
Speaker 2: it's hooked up to the Internet. Problems can happen.
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Speaker 7: Talk Station.
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Speaker 2: It's 642-55-KRC-D Talk Station, pivoting away from artificial intelligence, refrigerators,
55:46
Speaker 2: and salt shakers. Oh, I forgot to mention Dave Hatter,
55:48
Speaker 2: interestit.com's Dave Hatter. The salt shaker, in addition to having
55:52
Speaker 2: an app, also is hooked up to Alexa, so it's
55:55
Speaker 2: got a microphone and speaker.
55:57
Speaker 6: What could go wrong, Brian?
55:58
Speaker 2: Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
56:00
Speaker 4: All right.
56:00
Speaker 2: What happened over in Northern California where we had a
56:03
Speaker 2: problem with malware?
56:05
Speaker 6: Well, this is all part of the same problem. Software
56:09
Speaker 6: and everything now, everything connected to the internet, all these interdependencies.
56:13
Speaker 6: And Brian, we've talked about the concept of this many
56:16
Speaker 6: times because this is one of the things that really
56:18
Speaker 6: keeps me up at night.
56:19
Speaker 2: And you know me.
56:20
Speaker 6: Pretty well, Brian. And people who don't know me that
56:23
Speaker 6: well often don't realize that sometimes when I'm being hyperbolic,
56:26
Speaker 6: I'm being facetious and other times I'm not. And Maybe
56:30
Speaker 6: I don't always do the best job. Maybe I don't
56:33
Speaker 6: always do the best job of helping you understand when
56:35
Speaker 6: I'm serious and when I'm not. But this topic, as
56:38
Speaker 6: we used to say back in the 80s when I
56:41
Speaker 6: was a kid, serious is a heart attack, Brian. You know,
56:43
Speaker 6: I bet you.
56:44
Speaker 3: Remember that one. Oh, yeah.
56:45
Speaker 2: My dad used to say that all the time.
56:48
Speaker 6: So critical infrastructure.
56:49
Speaker 11: Right.
56:50
Speaker 6: I keep bringing this up. I talk about this all
56:52
Speaker 6: the time. We talk about it on your show. FBI
56:56
Speaker 6: has defined 16 critical infrastructure sectors. We have seen increasing
57:00
Speaker 6: attacks on the critical infrastructure sector as it becomes more automated,
57:04
Speaker 6: as it becomes more interconnected, as we rely on it
57:07
Speaker 6: more and more. All of this technology, and clearly I'm
57:12
Speaker 6: not against technology. I made a whole career out of this.
57:14
Speaker 6: But I'm increasingly concerned about the speed with which things
57:17
Speaker 6: are being automated, the hard to understand, if not unknown
57:21
Speaker 6: dependencies of this thing connected to that thing connected to
57:24
Speaker 6: this thing over here creates In fact, I'm giving a
57:26
Speaker 6: talk about this today at NKU at their cybersecurity conference.
57:30
Speaker 6: But here's yet another example. You know, you and I
57:32
Speaker 6: have talked 12 states over 100 water plants hacked.
57:36
Speaker 3: Yep.
57:36
Speaker 6: You can't live long without water. Well, here's an example
57:39
Speaker 6: of a 911 system that was knocked off a line. OK,
57:43
Speaker 6: after a cyber attack. And it's not just the cyber
57:46
Speaker 6: attacks that are the problem, Brian. One of the things
57:49
Speaker 6: that got me out of the software engineering business and
57:52
Speaker 6: focused exclusively on cybersecurity really was an article in The
57:55
Speaker 6: Atlantic over 10 years ago called The Coming Software Apocalypse.
57:59
Speaker 6: TMIT professors warning long before all, I mean, IoT was
58:04
Speaker 6: a thing then. Smart devices were a thing, but not
58:06
Speaker 6: like they are now. Warning that as we keep adding
58:09
Speaker 6: software into things that probably don't really need software, And
58:12
Speaker 6: we create dependencies that are hard to understand because your
58:15
Speaker 6: software uses my software library, which calls some API, which
58:19
Speaker 6: uses some other thing. You can't even know how it works.
58:23
Speaker 6: And we're starting to see this come to bear now.
58:25
Speaker 6: whether it's cyber attacks that bring these things down or
58:28
Speaker 6: just faulty software. Like, you know, the Samsung thing we
58:31
Speaker 6: just talked about wasn't a cyber attack. You could argue
58:34
Speaker 6: it's a denial of service attack created by the vendor
58:37
Speaker 6: because they denied service to the device by bad software.
58:40
Speaker 6: It was a mistake. Brian, do you remember CrowdStrike, the
58:43
Speaker 6: CrowdStrike thing a couple of years ago when this CrowdStrike
58:46
Speaker 6: antivirus rolled out an update and it bricked like 10
58:49
Speaker 6: million Windows computers? Like Delta was down for a while?
58:52
Speaker 8: Yeah.
58:52
Speaker 13: Yeah.
58:53
Speaker 6: So it's not even cyber attacks. We're trying to rush
58:57
Speaker 6: this stuff without thinking about security and robustness and privacy
59:02
Speaker 6: and resilience. And here's an example where, again, this could
59:06
Speaker 6: have been a software update that knocked this system offline.
59:08
Speaker 6: You're having a heart attack. You call 911. No ambulance
59:12
Speaker 6: shows up because the system's down. But in this case,
59:16
Speaker 6: it was a cyber attack. Again, I want people to
59:18
Speaker 6: get in their minds. It's not just cyber attacks. It's
59:23
Speaker 6: who in your audience has not had a problem with software?
59:27
Speaker 6: has not installed some software update and their device stopped working,
59:31
Speaker 6: aka was bricked. Ford just recently recalled 254,000 SUVs. Because
59:37
Speaker 6: a software update impacted some of the safety capabilities. Look
59:41
Speaker 6: this up, folks. It's on my sub stack, by the way, Brian,
59:45
Speaker 6: as is this story. And I have a different sub
59:48
Speaker 6: stack where I'm just listing all of the local government
59:51
Speaker 6: attacks like this that I can find. Because local governments
59:55
Speaker 6: are frequently not understanding the risks to their constituents about
59:59
Speaker 6: these things. So again, we're talking about a real-world situation,
1:00:03
Speaker 6: not some wacky software stuff. I lost my photos. I
1:00:06
Speaker 6: had all my money stolen. I'm having a heart attack.
1:00:10
Speaker 6: My kid got hit by a car. My mom's having
1:00:13
Speaker 6: a stroke. I dial 911 to get the life-saving services
1:00:17
Speaker 6: that I expect and deserve and paid for. They don't
1:00:19
Speaker 6: come because the system is down. That's where we're at, folks.
1:00:23
Speaker 2: We are.
1:00:24
Speaker 11: That's where we're at.
1:00:24
Speaker 2: Well, and you know what? That's even a lesser scenario
1:00:27
Speaker 2: than the electricity being shut off by remote control.
1:00:29
Speaker 6: Dave? I hate to be the doom guy, Brian, but
1:00:33
Speaker 6: we have got to wake people up. We've got to
1:00:36
Speaker 6: slow this stuff down. We've got to make sure that
1:00:39
Speaker 6: it is focused on security and resilience first. Not speed
1:00:43
Speaker 6: to market, not market share, not ease of use, not
1:00:46
Speaker 6: making money, not collecting your data to make even more money.
1:00:50
Speaker 6: protecting our society because it is increasingly at risk because
1:00:55
Speaker 6: of this stuff.
1:00:55
Speaker 2: OpenAI just got sued by eight states because they rushed
1:00:58
Speaker 2: to get chat GPT out the door without maybe taking
1:01:02
Speaker 2: its time and dealing with the errors that apparently they
1:01:04
Speaker 2: were aware of when they rolled it out. Dave, don't
1:01:06
Speaker 2: go away because you're going to talk about one of
1:01:08
Speaker 2: my favorites. The Talk Station. 652-55-KRC-The Talk Station. Brian Thomas
1:01:14
Speaker 2: with IntrustIT.com's Dave Hatter. Thank you, IntrustIT, for sponsoring it.
1:01:18
Speaker 2: And Dave Hatter, for providing all this very, very useful information.
1:01:23
Speaker 2: And when can I get rid of the idea of
1:01:25
Speaker 2: a connected car? Dave, you're talking about software updates. Nothing
1:01:28
Speaker 2: really irks me more. Well, that's a bold statement. The
1:01:33
Speaker 2: idea that your car comes with the equipment to, let's say,
1:01:37
Speaker 2: have your seats heated, but you've got to pay a
1:01:40
Speaker 2: monthly service to have it activated? I mean, I would
1:01:43
Speaker 2: not consider a car that has that obligation. But then again,
1:01:47
Speaker 2: if I had an option to buy a car that
1:01:48
Speaker 2: isn't hooked up to the Internet at all, that's the
1:01:51
Speaker 2: car I'd want to buy.
1:01:52
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm thinking I need a 78 Dodge Power Wagon
1:01:55
Speaker 6: like on Simon & Simon.
1:01:57
Speaker 2: Try to find one.
1:01:57
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:01:58
Speaker 6: Where A, it doesn't have any software in it, and B,
1:02:03
Speaker 6: you can't EMP it because it doesn't have any chips either.
1:02:06
Speaker 2: And those are all the rage these days. The prices
1:02:08
Speaker 2: of those cars have gone through the roof. I mentioned
1:02:10
Speaker 2: a 70s Ford Bronco earlier. I think those are like
1:02:13
Speaker 2: collector car level prices these days.
1:02:16
Speaker 6: So, Brian, yeah, I agree with you wholeheartedly. And again, folks,
1:02:20
Speaker 6: I was a software engineer for 25 years. It's how
1:02:22
Speaker 6: I made a living. This is what I did. So
1:02:26
Speaker 6: I'm not against this stuff. I'm against the way it's
1:02:29
Speaker 6: being done. I'm against the lack of focus on security
1:02:32
Speaker 6: and privacy and the risk that it creates to each
1:02:35
Speaker 6: of us and our entire society. So, yeah, your car
1:02:39
Speaker 6: is basically a rolling computer now. And I've brought this
1:02:42
Speaker 6: up before on my sub stack. I've written articles about this.
1:02:47
Speaker 6: Let me give you a headline here before we dive
1:02:49
Speaker 6: into this specific topic. OK, Mozilla, the people that make
1:02:53
Speaker 6: the Firefox web browser. By the way, you should stop
1:02:55
Speaker 6: using everything from Google, including Chrome, and use a privacy
1:02:59
Speaker 6: friendly browser like Firefox or Brave or Safari if you're
1:03:03
Speaker 6: Apple exclusive. OK, these people know what they're talking about.
1:03:06
Speaker 6: They have a website called Privacy Not Included. I bring
1:03:09
Speaker 6: it up occasionally. They just review all of these sorts
1:03:12
Speaker 6: of Internet of Things devices and show you how bad
1:03:15
Speaker 6: they are for you as a consumer. They did an
1:03:18
Speaker 6: expose on cars a few years ago. This is the headline.
1:03:22
Speaker 6: All 25 car brands we researched earned our privacy not
1:03:26
Speaker 6: included warning label, making cars the official worst category of
1:03:30
Speaker 6: products for privacy that we have ever reviewed.
1:03:33
Speaker 3: Geez.
1:03:36
Speaker 6: Now, again, these are technical people that they make software.
1:03:39
Speaker 6: They know what they're talking about. Now, it was a
1:03:41
Speaker 6: couple of years ago. All modern cars are loaded with
1:03:43
Speaker 6: this garbage. You know, Ford filed a patent. that would
1:03:46
Speaker 6: allow their cars to eavesdrop on you and sell you
1:03:49
Speaker 6: ads to your car. Also a patent to recall your
1:03:52
Speaker 6: car autonomously when you don't pay. You may recall GM
1:03:57
Speaker 6: had a big scandal because they were selling your data
1:03:59
Speaker 6: that they're collecting from all this garbage in your car
1:04:02
Speaker 6: to insurance companies. I try to tell people, you know,
1:04:05
Speaker 6: I drove to Columbus this week to speak at an event.
1:04:08
Speaker 6: And do you think if I accelerated really hard three
1:04:11
Speaker 6: times and braked really hard four times, my insurance company
1:04:14
Speaker 6: might not like to know that? It might decide that
1:04:16
Speaker 6: if that's a pattern, that maybe they should raise my rates.
1:04:19
Speaker 6: And I would never know why they went up. It's
1:04:21
Speaker 6: because my car is dropping a dime on me. But
1:04:26
Speaker 6: back to this thing, yeah, connected cars. It's not just
1:04:29
Speaker 6: the surveillance.
1:04:30
Speaker 3: Right.
1:04:31
Speaker 6: It's the well, everything has software it now. It has
1:04:34
Speaker 6: the capability to sell you subscriptions to use certain functions. Oh,
1:04:38
Speaker 6: we're going to give you the heated steering wheel for
1:04:40
Speaker 6: three months if you want it in month four. You
1:04:43
Speaker 6: got to pay or heated seats or hey, you know,
1:04:46
Speaker 6: maybe you can only set the air conditioner down to
1:04:50
Speaker 6: 72 unless you pay a subscription as you make things smart,
1:04:55
Speaker 6: quote unquote. You add the capability for external actors to
1:05:01
Speaker 6: control them, to surveil you, to hack them and potentially
1:05:05
Speaker 6: weaponize them. You may recall over the years, we've talked
1:05:09
Speaker 6: about this before, over the years, there have been increasing
1:05:12
Speaker 6: concerns by people in the business about vehicle security. All
1:05:17
Speaker 6: the way up from tankers and so forth and airplanes,
1:05:20
Speaker 6: you mentioned the Boeing thing. down to, you know, Mack
1:05:23
Speaker 6: trucks and cars. Because imagine if I'm a hacker, a
1:05:28
Speaker 6: nation state adversarial hacker, and I want to cause chaos.
1:05:32
Speaker 6: If I could hack, and I'm just going to throw
1:05:33
Speaker 6: out a brand. I don't want to slight any particular brand.
1:05:36
Speaker 6: Let's say Peterbilt trucks. If every Peterbilt tractor out there
1:05:41
Speaker 6: that was hauling something, including let's say 80,000 gallons of gasoline,
1:05:47
Speaker 6: could somehow be weaponized so that the brakes stop working,
1:05:50
Speaker 6: Or you couldn't stop it from accelerating. And even better,
1:05:54
Speaker 6: you could feed into it certain coordinates through the GPS.
1:05:57
Speaker 6: And you could like, hey, there's a nice local Duke
1:06:00
Speaker 6: power substation right over here. Imagine what 80,000 gallons of
1:06:04
Speaker 6: gasoline exploding at the local Duke substation would do to
1:06:07
Speaker 6: the power.
1:06:08
Speaker 2: We could come up with scenarios for hours about how
1:06:11
Speaker 2: bad this could.
1:06:11
Speaker 4: Be, Dave.
1:06:12
Speaker 6: And I know this is crazy to people. Don't take
1:06:15
Speaker 6: my word for it. Go look this stuff up.
1:06:19
Speaker 13: Right.
1:06:19
Speaker 6: But we just keep adding more and more. You don't
1:06:22
Speaker 6: hear you only hear people talking about the convenience and
1:06:25
Speaker 6: the awesomeness of all of this. You never hear people
1:06:28
Speaker 6: talking about things like right to repair, you know, and the.
1:06:31
Speaker 2: Fact that you can't fix your own stuff.
1:06:33
Speaker 6: Now because it has software in it and they claim
1:06:35
Speaker 6: intellectual property.
1:06:36
Speaker 2: Since we're out of time, Dave, I'll just remind people.
1:06:38
Speaker 2: That's why we have you here to remind people of
1:06:40
Speaker 2: the downside risk and to heed Dave's warning. Well respected
1:06:44
Speaker 2: in the tech community, Dave Hatter is. IntrustIT.com for It's
1:06:48
Speaker 2: 7.06 on a Friday. Always extra special on a Friday,
1:06:52
Speaker 2: just being Friday, but it's even better when I get
1:06:54
Speaker 2: to look up over the board here and see my
1:06:56
Speaker 2: friend Peter Bronson.
1:06:57
Speaker 7: Hey, Brian.
1:06:58
Speaker 2: It is always awesome having you here, man.
1:07:00
Speaker 7: It's always awesome to be with you, buddy.
1:07:01
Speaker 2: And from the bottom of my heart, I want to
1:07:02
Speaker 2: thank you for all the joy and pleasure I got
1:07:05
Speaker 2: out of reading your books over the years.
1:07:06
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you.
1:07:07
Speaker 2: Just you're a great writer, weaving the story, this narrative
1:07:12
Speaker 2: that you create, you'll create a premise upon which to
1:07:15
Speaker 2: spring forth all the information about local history. And we're
1:07:19
Speaker 2: going to dive into some of Peter's books today because
1:07:21
Speaker 2: they are awesome Christmas gift ideas for folks in the
1:07:24
Speaker 2: tri-state because they're typically focused on local history and stories
1:07:28
Speaker 2: from the local community. But first off, let me remind folks,
1:07:31
Speaker 2: he is a, he's in addition to being an author
1:07:34
Speaker 2: and of course, story journalist here in Cincinnati, Peter Bronson
1:07:36
Speaker 2: has a website called chili dog, press.com. which is a
1:07:40
Speaker 2: great place to get his book. So if you're thinking
1:07:42
Speaker 2: about Christmas gifts, head on over there right now, chilldogpress.com,
1:07:45
Speaker 2: get all of them. But also you publish local authors
1:07:48
Speaker 2: and other authors.
1:07:48
Speaker 3: Yes, I do.
1:07:50
Speaker 2: And how often do you approach with a book?
1:07:52
Speaker 7: Oh, constantly.
1:07:53
Speaker 9: I've never advertised, but it's mainly word of mouth. So
1:07:56
Speaker 9: people publish a book and everybody says, how did you
1:07:58
Speaker 9: do that? They say, well, I know a guy.
1:08:00
Speaker 7: And that's me.
1:08:01
Speaker 9: So at any time I've got five or six of
1:08:04
Speaker 9: these book projects going. I've got about seven going right now.
1:08:08
Speaker 9: Everything from children's books to biographies to really exciting books, novels.
1:08:14
Speaker 9: Some are things that you didn't know about Cincinnati. People
1:08:17
Speaker 9: have done some amazing things in town, and so it's
1:08:20
Speaker 9: pretty cool.
1:08:21
Speaker 2: Oh, it's got to be. I guess being in the
1:08:23
Speaker 2: position of being the publisher, you have to choose which
1:08:26
Speaker 2: ones you are willing to put forth some effort and
1:08:29
Speaker 2: some money to back and print and publish, and wading
1:08:32
Speaker 2: through that seems maybe the more challenging component of it.
1:08:34
Speaker 2: I mean, you think about publishers who passed up certain
1:08:37
Speaker 2: books over the years that ended up becoming global bestsellers.
1:08:41
Speaker 2: How did I miss that opportunity? Why didn't I sign
1:08:43
Speaker 2: that band? The Beatles were in here and I thought
1:08:46
Speaker 2: they sucked. But that's a difficult position and challenging because
1:08:49
Speaker 2: you have to deliver the bad news to somebody who
1:08:51
Speaker 2: poured their heart and soul out over some manuscript.
1:08:53
Speaker 9: Well, mostly the customers, when they see how hard it
1:08:56
Speaker 9: is to write a book, if they're coming to me
1:08:59
Speaker 9: and they're saying, I'm going to write this book, and
1:09:01
Speaker 9: they don't have a manuscript finished, a lot of times
1:09:03
Speaker 9: they find out it's a lot harder than they think,
1:09:06
Speaker 9: the discipline. Others find that the journey is the whole
1:09:12
Speaker 9: point of it. It's that the writing of the book,
1:09:14
Speaker 9: especially if it's a biography or something about their past,
1:09:18
Speaker 9: they find it very therapeutic. Because it just brings up
1:09:21
Speaker 9: all these memories and everything starts to come into sharp
1:09:23
Speaker 9: focus again.
1:09:25
Speaker 7: One thing leads to another.
1:09:26
Speaker 9: And by the time we're done, I coach them with
1:09:28
Speaker 9: their writing and I show them how to improve it
1:09:30
Speaker 9: and bring them along. In many cases, others don't need
1:09:34
Speaker 9: that kind of help. But when they're finished, they're just
1:09:37
Speaker 9: super ecstatic about the journey as much as the book.
1:09:41
Speaker 2: That's terrific. But here's the stumbling block you're going to
1:09:43
Speaker 2: have to run into now. We live in a world
1:09:45
Speaker 2: with artificial intelligence. I can probably go to ChatGPT or
1:09:49
Speaker 2: something else right now and say, please prepare a 40-page
1:09:55
Speaker 2: biography on, I don't know, pick a figure, Abraham Lincoln,
1:10:00
Speaker 2: just randomly pulling out. And it'll do that.
1:10:02
Speaker 3: It will.
1:10:02
Speaker 2: And it will read pretty damn good. Of course, I
1:10:05
Speaker 2: would always recommend, if you're ever doing that in your business,
1:10:07
Speaker 2: most notably, a fact check what it came up with.
1:10:09
Speaker 2: But beyond that, I mean, college professors are dealing with
1:10:14
Speaker 2: this with term papers.
1:10:15
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely.
1:10:15
Speaker 2: How can you determine if someone hands you a manuscript
1:10:18
Speaker 2: whether or not it's their work product or artificial intelligence?
1:10:21
Speaker 7: Well, first I ask.
1:10:23
Speaker 9: Um, and I have not published anything that was AI created,
1:10:26
Speaker 9: but I'm beginning to look at some projects that are
1:10:28
Speaker 9: AI assisted.
1:10:30
Speaker 7: For example, illustrations. Oh my gosh.
1:10:33
Speaker 9: The illustrations that can be created by AI are unbelievable.
1:10:36
Speaker 9: They're like Norman Rockwell level.
1:10:39
Speaker 3: Yes.
1:10:39
Speaker 9: Now you can't find an illustrator that's going to do
1:10:42
Speaker 9: a children's book at that level of, of, um, aesthetic quality, uh.
1:10:47
Speaker 7: For any reasonable price.
1:10:49
Speaker 9: So these people can go and get their real illustrations
1:10:51
Speaker 9: made by AI in a, I'm like, well, okay, as
1:10:55
Speaker 9: long as you tell the reader, as long as it's
1:10:57
Speaker 9: full disclosure and you're transparent that AI was used in this,
1:11:01
Speaker 9: that's okay with me, at least so far. I think
1:11:05
Speaker 9: one thing that you're hitting on, though, is very interesting,
1:11:07
Speaker 9: which is I think it's an unacknowledged secret right now
1:11:11
Speaker 9: that copyright is a thing of the past, that there
1:11:14
Speaker 9: is no such thing as intellectual property.
1:11:17
Speaker 2: That's one of the arguments the creators of intellectual property
1:11:21
Speaker 2: are making because, hey, Chat GPT, you just absorbed my
1:11:24
Speaker 2: entire book, fiction, nonfiction, or otherwise, and you made it
1:11:28
Speaker 2: part of your learning model or your language model. You
1:11:30
Speaker 2: can't do that without paying me.
1:11:32
Speaker 3: Exactly.
1:11:32
Speaker 9: So if I was to plug in a certain question
1:11:34
Speaker 9: about one of my books, something that I discovered that
1:11:37
Speaker 9: is unique to my book, I can get that back
1:11:40
Speaker 9: from AI, and I know they just took it right
1:11:42
Speaker 9: out of my book.
1:11:43
Speaker 3: Yes.
1:11:43
Speaker 9: And there's no acknowledgement. It doesn't say where that came from.
1:11:48
Speaker 9: You know, let's face it. There are book buyers for
1:11:51
Speaker 9: AI platforms now that are going around buying up all
1:11:54
Speaker 9: the used books and ancient books they can find.
1:11:56
Speaker 3: I know.
1:11:57
Speaker 9: And feeding them into this wood chipper, which is basically
1:12:01
Speaker 9: a vast sponge that soaks up everything in these books.
1:12:04
Speaker 9: It doesn't matter if it's an instruction manual for a
1:12:07
Speaker 9: 1903 vacuum cleaner or something. They will absorb all this
1:12:12
Speaker 9: and then just feed it back to you. And so, hey,
1:12:14
Speaker 9: where's the intellectual property?
1:12:16
Speaker 7: There is none.
1:12:17
Speaker 2: There isn't. speaking of Aldous Huxley brave it's a brave
1:12:21
Speaker 2: new world it is we are living in completely uncharted
1:12:24
Speaker 2: territory and quite frankly I I'm just kind of the
1:12:28
Speaker 2: mindset I'm more I lean more lewd I know how
1:12:31
Speaker 2: efficient this will make things yeah I also appreciate the
1:12:34
Speaker 2: fact that well you talented artists out there are not
1:12:36
Speaker 2: going to have a job as an illustrator anymore.
1:12:38
Speaker 9: I know it's such a shame and you know the
1:12:42
Speaker 9: whole thing about taking the property and everything well the
1:12:45
Speaker 9: other thing that's alarming right now is there was a
1:12:48
Speaker 9: piece in the Wall Street Journal last week reviewing a
1:12:50
Speaker 9: book called The Death of Literacy. And what we're seeing
1:12:54
Speaker 9: is that people, high school kids, college kids, they don't
1:12:57
Speaker 9: read books.
1:12:58
Speaker 3: They don't.
1:12:59
Speaker 7: You can poll them. When's the last time you read
1:13:01
Speaker 7: a book? And they'll say never.
1:13:02
Speaker 2: You know, and if you ask a child at the
1:13:03
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Classical Academy the last time they read a book,
1:13:05
Speaker 2: they'd say, what, a half hour ago before class started?
1:13:08
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:13:09
Speaker 9: But if you don't read books, if you just listen
1:13:12
Speaker 9: to them on audio, for example, or if you just
1:13:14
Speaker 9: get reviews and AI summaries... What it does, it damages
1:13:20
Speaker 9: your ability for critical thinking.
1:13:21
Speaker 3: Yes.
1:13:22
Speaker 9: Most of our intellectual critical thinking comes from reading.
1:13:26
Speaker 3: Yes.
1:13:26
Speaker 9: From being able to make an argument because we've read them,
1:13:29
Speaker 9: from absorbing facts in an active way, not something that
1:13:33
Speaker 9: just spilled them out for you. And I just worry
1:13:38
Speaker 9: about that.
1:13:38
Speaker 2: Well, I do too. And the other component of that,
1:13:40
Speaker 2: you have to have the logic and critical thinking skills
1:13:44
Speaker 2: And that does come in large part from reading. But
1:13:46
Speaker 2: then you also have to have the communication skills to
1:13:49
Speaker 2: put pen to paper and write.
1:13:51
Speaker 10: Yes.
1:13:52
Speaker 2: And you can't do that. If you can't do that.
1:13:55
Speaker 2: No one can do that anymore. Plus, in the text
1:13:58
Speaker 2: world we live in, it's abbreviations. It's just little blurbs
1:14:02
Speaker 2: that are supposed to mean something that's remotely connected to
1:14:05
Speaker 2: the human. It's a new language. To the English language.
1:14:07
Speaker 2: It is a new language.
1:14:08
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:14:09
Speaker 9: And when you think about it, if you look at
1:14:11
Speaker 9: what's going on in the world, for example, the rise
1:14:13
Speaker 9: of socialism and communism, and now you go, what is
1:14:17
Speaker 9: wrong with those young people that they think this is acceptable?
1:14:19
Speaker 7: Don't they know history? No, they don't.
1:14:21
Speaker 2: No, they don't.
1:14:21
Speaker 9: Because they don't read. They haven't read the books. They
1:14:25
Speaker 9: haven't seen Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago or anything like that.
1:14:31
Speaker 7: They just don't know.
1:14:32
Speaker 2: Well, and they're also not being taught it. Even if
1:14:34
Speaker 2: they want to sit in a room and absorb what
1:14:36
Speaker 2: the teacher is telling them by way of propaganda, if
1:14:38
Speaker 2: you aren't getting information about the nation's history and you're
1:14:41
Speaker 2: not inclined to go and read it independently, you're never
1:14:44
Speaker 2: going to get it. Next thing you know, you think
1:14:46
Speaker 2: socialism and communism are great concepts.
1:14:49
Speaker 3: Exactly.
1:14:50
Speaker 7: You know, that's a great segue. Do we have a minute?
1:14:53
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what. We're going to use that
1:14:55
Speaker 2: as a little tease to bring you back and talk
1:14:57
Speaker 2: about your recent trip. Is that the direction we're going?
1:14:59
Speaker 9: No, I was going to tell you about what's going
1:15:01
Speaker 9: on at Indian Hill High School on October 22nd when
1:15:04
Speaker 9: we're going to introduce the exciting side of history to
1:15:08
Speaker 9: a lot of local high school students and the community.
1:15:10
Speaker 2: Okay, well, it's 7.15 right now. We'll get the details
1:15:12
Speaker 2: on that, and then we'll let the listeners know why
1:15:14
Speaker 2: it is, I thought. You were going to talk about
1:15:16
Speaker 2: socialism and communism, why you were going to go down
1:15:19
Speaker 2: the road of your recent trip.
1:15:20
Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
1:15:21
Speaker 2: Considering the European Union is coming unglued. More with Peter Bronson.
1:15:26
Speaker 2: It's 7.25. 7.25, you can go up here, see the
1:15:29
Speaker 2: talk station. Bronson, I'm with Peter Bronson. Everybody in Cincinnati
1:15:34
Speaker 2: loves Peter Bronson. If you read one of his books,
1:15:36
Speaker 2: you'll know why. And, of course, those who remember his
1:15:38
Speaker 2: days at the Enquirer, we still miss you, man.
1:15:40
Speaker 9: Oh, thank you very much. And I can testify that
1:15:43
Speaker 9: not everybody loved me.
1:15:45
Speaker 2: Well, you obviously survived a lot of challenges over the years,
1:15:50
Speaker 2: so we thought you did a good job as the
1:15:52
Speaker 2: editorial director over at the Enquirer. And boy, sure couldn't
1:15:55
Speaker 2: they use you now, Peter Bronson. Anyway, you were talking
1:15:58
Speaker 2: about the Indian Hill event. Get some flesh on the
1:16:00
Speaker 2: bones of that, and then also we're going to pivot
1:16:03
Speaker 2: over to your trip to Paris and London, which is
1:16:05
Speaker 2: what I thought you were talking about.
1:16:06
Speaker 3: You bet.
1:16:07
Speaker 9: So this is part of the Indian Hill Historical Society's
1:16:11
Speaker 9: author series called And they do this every year. And
1:16:13
Speaker 9: as you know, with my books, my intention has always
1:16:16
Speaker 9: been to focus on our local history and show people
1:16:19
Speaker 9: that history can be exciting.
1:16:21
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
1:16:22
Speaker 9: It doesn't have to be textbooks of dates and places
1:16:25
Speaker 9: and treaties and so forth. So my books really go
1:16:29
Speaker 9: in that direction to try and make history accessible and
1:16:32
Speaker 9: exciting and fun to read, especially for young people. And
1:16:35
Speaker 9: this is a great event because the whole intention is
1:16:38
Speaker 9: that we're going to spend the Cincinnati Country Day, speaking
1:16:44
Speaker 9: to kids in high school about history and telling them
1:16:47
Speaker 9: some of these stories from my book called Promise Land.
1:16:49
Speaker 2: Promise Land, outstanding book. Not a time in history that
1:16:54
Speaker 2: I would really enjoy being in this particular area, Peter.
1:16:57
Speaker 3: No.
1:16:58
Speaker 2: The horrors of living in the greater Cincinnati area during
1:17:01
Speaker 2: the settler days cannot be understated.
1:17:04
Speaker 9: The 1780s, 1790s were a very perilous place for new
1:17:07
Speaker 9: settlers in Ohio, especially in the Cincinnati area. which was
1:17:11
Speaker 9: known as the Miami Slaughterhouse. That was the name that
1:17:15
Speaker 9: was given to it by the settlers because of the
1:17:18
Speaker 9: local Shawnee and Miami tribes were so brutal and so
1:17:23
Speaker 9: hostile to new settlement here. But so anyway, we're going
1:17:26
Speaker 9: to have an evening event on Thursday, October 22nd, as
1:17:30
Speaker 9: well as the daytime talks. And that's at 7 p.m.
1:17:33
Speaker 9: at Indian Hill High School. The door is open at 630.
1:17:37
Speaker 2: It is free.
1:17:38
Speaker 6: Great.
1:17:38
Speaker 7: Open to the public.
1:17:40
Speaker 9: We will talk about promised land and the exciting history
1:17:43
Speaker 9: of Cincinnati's early days and how that contributed to the
1:17:47
Speaker 9: expansion of our nation and was the key to the
1:17:52
Speaker 9: development of our country going west.
1:17:53
Speaker 11: Oh, yeah.
1:17:54
Speaker 2: It's hard to think, you know, in these early times
1:17:58
Speaker 2: that this was like the edge of civilization right here.
1:18:01
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:18:01
Speaker 2: And that you had to pretty much stay in these
1:18:04
Speaker 2: little forts that they built because lurking in the woods
1:18:07
Speaker 2: literally right outside the fort are a bunch of Indians
1:18:10
Speaker 2: who would love nothing more than to slaughter you. Exactly.
1:18:12
Speaker 2: Along with the British that would pay them.
1:18:14
Speaker 11: Yeah.
1:18:14
Speaker 9: The British were using them as their proxy army, not
1:18:18
Speaker 9: unlike what Iran does with Hamas. They're paying them with–
1:18:22
Speaker 9: they'll give them $ 100 for a live hostage and $ 50
1:18:24
Speaker 9: for every scalp they collect from these settlers. And so–
1:18:31
Speaker 9: About 1,500 people were taken in a three-year period.
1:18:35
Speaker 7: Daughters, wives, children.
1:18:38
Speaker 9: If you were lucky, they would march you all the
1:18:40
Speaker 9: way from Cincinnati to Detroit where they would sell you
1:18:43
Speaker 9: to the British. You could be a slave for the British,
1:18:46
Speaker 9: which is what they used you for. You might never
1:18:48
Speaker 9: see your family again most of the time. people did not.
1:18:51
Speaker 9: If you're less lucky, they might kill you on the
1:18:54
Speaker 9: spot if you resisted, or they might take you back
1:18:56
Speaker 9: to their village and torture you for three or four
1:18:58
Speaker 9: days for the amusement of the entire tribe.
1:19:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, and torture is really a delicate or an easy
1:19:04
Speaker 2: way of describing what you actually... had to experience it
1:19:10
Speaker 2: is brutal merciless torture creative yeah in.
1:19:15
Speaker 9: Inflicting unbelievable levels of pain for days at a.
1:19:18
Speaker 2: Time that is in the promised land just part of
1:19:21
Speaker 2: promised land how the midwest was won uh since any
1:19:23
Speaker 2: history queen city of the west it's right there uh
1:19:25
Speaker 2: i i'm looking at your amazon link of course you
1:19:27
Speaker 2: can get the books there but again chili dog press.com
1:19:30
Speaker 2: get that book and Also, you know, I think my
1:19:32
Speaker 2: favorite is the Sin City book.
1:19:36
Speaker 11: Oh, yeah.
1:19:36
Speaker 2: Forbidden Fruit, Sin City's Underworld, and the Supper Club, the
1:19:39
Speaker 2: Inferno from the Beverly Hills Supper Club. That is fascinating.
1:19:42
Speaker 2: Real quick, since I brought it up, you can easily
1:19:44
Speaker 2: dispatch or dispense with the topic, but your trip to
1:19:47
Speaker 2: Paris and London, I just wanted to know. Because we're
1:19:49
Speaker 2: getting all kinds of reports out of notably Paris and France,
1:19:52
Speaker 2: generally speaking.
1:19:53
Speaker 3: About the riots.
1:19:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, the riots were going when we were there. That's
1:19:55
Speaker 2: what it's going to ask. Were they?
1:19:56
Speaker 7: Yes, they were. I didn't see much for the actual rioting.
1:19:59
Speaker 9: What I saw is a bunch of high school kids
1:20:01
Speaker 9: loitering around a high school where they had taken all
1:20:04
Speaker 9: the dumpsters they could find on the street and pushed
1:20:06
Speaker 9: them in front of the high school door like this
1:20:08
Speaker 9: was some kind of big barricade. And, you know, the
1:20:11
Speaker 9: irony of this is, again, goes back to literacy. People
1:20:14
Speaker 9: have forgotten. This is echoes of the French Revolution. The
1:20:19
Speaker 9: French Revolution is still destroying Europe. If you ask people
1:20:23
Speaker 9: over there, the guides we saw, I asked them this question.
1:20:26
Speaker 9: How come these cathedrals, these beautiful monuments to faith, are
1:20:33
Speaker 9: mostly empty today except for tourists? They're not used for
1:20:36
Speaker 9: worship anymore. And they said that began with the French Revolution.
1:20:40
Speaker 9: Religion was declared to be a superstition. Many churches were destroyed.
1:20:44
Speaker 9: Many of the relics and records in those churches were burned.
1:20:48
Speaker 9: And that's when Europe began, especially in France, to lose
1:20:52
Speaker 9: its faith. And you see what a disaster that was,
1:20:56
Speaker 9: how people were terrified. It was a reign of terror,
1:21:00
Speaker 9: a reign of error politically for decades. And now people
1:21:05
Speaker 9: are turning back to that as if, you know, this
1:21:08
Speaker 9: is what we want, power to the people.
1:21:10
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it was a real eye-opener when the
1:21:12
Speaker 2: Pope showed up and the hundreds of thousands— flooded the
1:21:17
Speaker 2: streets in support of him to see him. It's like,
1:21:19
Speaker 2: wait a second, you still have people who are people
1:21:23
Speaker 2: of faith there?
1:21:24
Speaker 3: Yes.
1:21:24
Speaker 2: They don't think those folks exist anymore. I guess they
1:21:26
Speaker 2: just keep their mouths shut because they don't want to
1:21:29
Speaker 2: be ostracized, criticized, or otherwise lampooned.
1:21:32
Speaker 9: Yeah, sort of like conservatives in this country.
1:21:34
Speaker 2: You got that right, Peter Bronson. And on that comedic note,
1:21:37
Speaker 2: let's take a quick break here at 726 F55K or
1:21:40
Speaker 2: CD Talk Station. More with Peter Bronson coming up. Zimmer,
1:21:43
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1:21:45
Speaker 2: 7.30 on a Friday, an extra special Friday with Peter
1:21:51
Speaker 2: Bronson in the studio. Check out his whole lineup of books. Again,
1:21:54
Speaker 2: his publishing company is ChiliDogPress.com. You get the full Peter
1:21:57
Speaker 2: Bronson author lineup. Behind the Lines, The Untold Story of
1:21:59
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Riots. Promised Land, How the Midwest Was Won,
1:22:03
Speaker 2: which we were just talking about. Magical History Tour, Murder, Mystery,
1:22:06
Speaker 2: and Buried History. That is a fun, fun read. That's
1:22:09
Speaker 2: your most recent book, isn't it?
1:22:10
Speaker 3: It is, yeah.
1:22:11
Speaker 7: A collection of short stories.
1:22:13
Speaker 2: And that's the one that you explained about the old
1:22:15
Speaker 2: medical college.
1:22:16
Speaker 11: Here in the city of Cincinnati?
1:22:17
Speaker 7: Yes, the Body Snatchers.
1:22:18
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a fun place to have been.
1:22:20
Speaker 6: Yay!
1:22:21
Speaker 2: Off to school, Mom!
1:22:22
Speaker 7: They called him the Resurrection Man.
1:22:24
Speaker 3: Oh, Lord Almighty.
1:22:25
Speaker 2: The stench of that place.
1:22:27
Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh.
1:22:27
Speaker 2: Oh, the horror, the body parts.
1:22:29
Speaker 9: And then they would dig up the bodies, and they
1:22:31
Speaker 9: weren't always fresh, but the first thing they'd do would
1:22:33
Speaker 9: strip it. And then sell the clothes to unsuspecting people.
1:22:37
Speaker 2: These are medical students and physicians that are teaching medical students.
1:22:40
Speaker 9: And the body snatchers that they're paying. And these people
1:22:43
Speaker 9: would buy the clothes and go, man, that smells bad.
1:22:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. And then, of course, the Forbidden Fruit book,
1:22:50
Speaker 2: which I said, not in our town, I didn't mention,
1:22:52
Speaker 2: not in our town, the Queen City versus the King
1:22:54
Speaker 2: of Smut. The Hustler.
1:22:57
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:22:58
Speaker 2: Larry Flint.
1:22:59
Speaker 7: Absolutely.
1:23:00
Speaker 2: That was us, man.
1:23:01
Speaker 3: That was us.
1:23:01
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Art Museum and who was it that prosecuted them?
1:23:04
Speaker 2: That was Siles. Siles, yes.
1:23:06
Speaker 9: And Cincinnati was in the crosshairs nationally as being this
1:23:13
Speaker 9: kind of backwater of prudes and Catholics and religious people
1:23:17
Speaker 9: and uptight Midwesterners who just couldn't get with it to
1:23:20
Speaker 9: understand how liberating pornography was.
1:23:24
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:23:24
Speaker 7: So that's really what it was all about.
1:23:26
Speaker 2: Well, the bar has been lowered so much since then.
1:23:28
Speaker 2: I mean, there is not a human being that sits
1:23:31
Speaker 2: in a prosecutor's office that would ever consider prosecuting for
1:23:35
Speaker 2: the Mapplethorpe photographs.
1:23:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
1:23:38
Speaker 2: Which, that just shows the de-evolution, doesn't it?
1:23:41
Speaker 7: It does. Our standards have declined steeply.
1:23:44
Speaker 9: But you know, you got to take your hat off,
1:23:46
Speaker 9: I think, and tip it to the people who stood
1:23:49
Speaker 9: up against that and said, this is not the direction
1:23:52
Speaker 9: we want to go for our community, for our children.
1:23:55
Speaker 7: We don't want this pornography.
1:23:56
Speaker 9: We don't want these creeps that bring it to town
1:23:59
Speaker 9: and the adult bookstores and all the other garbage that
1:24:02
Speaker 9: comes with it.
1:24:03
Speaker 2: Of course. But now you can stream it 24-7 in
1:24:05
Speaker 2: the company of your own home.
1:24:07
Speaker 7: It's all on your phone.
1:24:08
Speaker 8: Everywhere.
1:24:09
Speaker 2: Billions and billions and billions and billions of dollars in
1:24:12
Speaker 2: hits at those porn sites all the time.
1:24:15
Speaker 3: Sad.
1:24:15
Speaker 2: This is where we are.
1:24:16
Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
1:24:17
Speaker 2: I guess we can all call it that. Forbidden Fruit,
1:24:19
Speaker 2: like I said, I think is my favorite. Sin City's
1:24:21
Speaker 2: Underworld and the Supper Club Inferno. Everything that was going
1:24:25
Speaker 2: on in northern Kentucky, Newport, generally speaking, Covington area, it
1:24:28
Speaker 2: was a hotbed of depravity. It was. Speaking of springing
1:24:34
Speaker 2: over from pornography to prostitution, one of the sins that
1:24:38
Speaker 2: was going on over in northern Kentucky.
1:24:39
Speaker 7: They called it Little Mexico.
1:24:40
Speaker 2: Little Mexico. Murders.
1:24:42
Speaker 9: Murders. They had a hitman who admitted killing more than
1:24:46
Speaker 9: 100 people in Newport. So, yeah, there was a lot
1:24:49
Speaker 9: of that going on.
1:24:50
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:24:51
Speaker 2: It still amazes me that of all places in the world,
1:24:54
Speaker 2: little northern Kentucky, Newport, Covington area, generally speaking, would be
1:24:58
Speaker 2: basically the next biggest mob capital of the world outside of, what,
1:25:01
Speaker 2: Chicago or New York?
1:25:02
Speaker 7: Yeah, Chicago, New York. I mean, we had all those
1:25:04
Speaker 7: mobs were here.
1:25:05
Speaker 9: Chicago and New York mobsters came to Cincinnati because this
1:25:08
Speaker 9: was kind of their Switzerland. It was run by the
1:25:11
Speaker 9: Cleveland mob, but they were wise enough not to pick
1:25:14
Speaker 9: fights with those guys if they wanted a piece of
1:25:16
Speaker 9: the action.
1:25:16
Speaker 8: Yeah.
1:25:17
Speaker 9: So it was wilder than I ever imagined.
1:25:20
Speaker 2: Okay, and on that note, as we get ready to
1:25:22
Speaker 2: go to another break, the writing process you were referring
1:25:25
Speaker 2: to earlier, you coach new writers through it. What drew
1:25:31
Speaker 2: you to writing this particular book? Was it the mob
1:25:35
Speaker 2: activities connection with ultimately the Beverly Hills Supper Club burning down,
1:25:38
Speaker 2: which you draw the lines directly from point A to
1:25:41
Speaker 2: point B in the book Forbidden Fruit? Was it the
1:25:43
Speaker 2: idea that we had gangsters and mobsters and gambling in
1:25:45
Speaker 2: northern Kentucky? Did someone say something out loud? And you're like,
1:25:48
Speaker 2: you know what? I need to investigate and write a
1:25:50
Speaker 2: book on that. How did that work? How did you
1:25:52
Speaker 2: come up with that particular book?
1:25:53
Speaker 7: That's a great question.
1:25:54
Speaker 9: Well, one of the things is when you come to
1:25:56
Speaker 9: a newspaper, and I've been around the country to several,
1:25:59
Speaker 9: when you come to a new newspaper in your career,
1:26:02
Speaker 9: people are glad to fill you in on all the
1:26:04
Speaker 9: local mythology, the big stories that happened.
1:26:07
Speaker 11: You know.
1:26:07
Speaker 9: And so I heard about this mob empire in Newport
1:26:11
Speaker 9: when I came to the Enquirer, and I kind of
1:26:12
Speaker 9: always dismissed it as, you know, some punks who thought
1:26:15
Speaker 9: they were mobbed up, but it didn't seem like a
1:26:17
Speaker 9: Cincinnati thing. So then when I got to look into it,
1:26:20
Speaker 9: especially when I started looking into the Beverly Hills Supper Club,
1:26:24
Speaker 9: that's when I got really fascinated because what people thought
1:26:27
Speaker 9: happened and what the record shows actually happened did not
1:26:31
Speaker 9: match up. So I was eager to get in and
1:26:34
Speaker 9: really dig into it.
1:26:36
Speaker 2: And the corruption that you reveal in the book, it's
1:26:40
Speaker 2: heart-wrenching when you think about the destruction of the evidence
1:26:43
Speaker 2: that occurred immediately after the fire, the fact that the
1:26:47
Speaker 2: law enforcement was involved in the cover-up, the governor of
1:26:51
Speaker 2: Kentucky was involved.
1:26:53
Speaker 9: I mean, I got to admit, I was very skeptical
1:26:55
Speaker 9: that a cover-up of that scale could sustain itself. But
1:26:59
Speaker 9: then when you look, you find out that, for example,
1:27:01
Speaker 9: the whole commission that was set up by the governor
1:27:03
Speaker 9: was All but one person were completely compromised and were
1:27:07
Speaker 9: arrested later or their careers were destroyed with scandal. They
1:27:11
Speaker 9: were caught with their, you know, close mob connections. It
1:27:16
Speaker 9: just it is kind of a dismaying, but also a
1:27:20
Speaker 9: fascinating and exciting story.
1:27:22
Speaker 2: No question about it. You know, people said people think, well,
1:27:25
Speaker 2: we've only gotten into this level of corruption in modern times. No,
1:27:28
Speaker 2: I would suggest and that's a great illustration of it.
1:27:31
Speaker 2: There was a lot more corruption as the further you
1:27:34
Speaker 2: go back in history. There wasn't real-time documents. You couldn't
1:27:37
Speaker 2: read what they were legislating or arguing about real-time online.
1:27:41
Speaker 2: You couldn't trace their activities with ring cameras and cell
1:27:45
Speaker 2: phone cameras and catch them in awkward positions and document
1:27:48
Speaker 2: it real-time. None of that existed, which allows corruption to
1:27:53
Speaker 2: flourish behind the scenes.
1:27:54
Speaker 9: Another thing that we've talked about before but which was
1:27:57
Speaker 9: surprising to me is that if you wanted to learn
1:27:59
Speaker 9: anything about the mob activity in Newport, You had to
1:28:02
Speaker 9: go to the Lexington or the Louisville papers because Cincinnati
1:28:05
Speaker 9: papers wouldn't touch it.
1:28:07
Speaker 7: Why is that? Because the who's who of.
1:28:09
Speaker 9: Cincinnati was spending a lot of time in the adult
1:28:11
Speaker 9: playground over there, going to the illegal casinos, the brothels,
1:28:16
Speaker 9: everything else. And you just didn't step on those toes.
1:28:20
Speaker 2: No, you didn't. Gets you in trouble doing that, wouldn't it?
1:28:23
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:28:25
Speaker 2: Just a little bit. Stick around. More with me at
1:28:27
Speaker 2: Talk Station. It is 742 at 55 Karat City Talk Station.
1:28:35
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas with Peter Bronson in studio. Get his books. Again,
1:28:40
Speaker 2: I keep reminding folks, great Christmas presents. You know, it's
1:28:43
Speaker 2: not an expensive endeavor. Go to ChiliDogPress.com. Get one of them.
1:28:46
Speaker 2: All of them will be great reads, I assure you.
1:28:48
Speaker 2: And over the break, I was asking Peter what his
1:28:50
Speaker 2: favorite book was of all the many books he's written. Again,
1:28:53
Speaker 2: all historic, all related to the greater Cincinnati area in
1:28:56
Speaker 2: some way, shape, or form. And it didn't shock me,
1:28:59
Speaker 2: the book that you came up with, Peter, which is....
1:29:02
Speaker 7: The Man Who Saved Cincinnati.
1:29:04
Speaker 2: The Man Who Saved Cincinnati. Yeah, I love that one.
1:29:06
Speaker 2: And that is amazing. Roughly, where were we in the
1:29:08
Speaker 2: period of time? Remind my listeners who that man was
1:29:11
Speaker 2: because there's that sub-story in there that is really an
1:29:13
Speaker 2: amazing thing.
1:29:14
Speaker 9: The youngest general in the Union Army during the Civil
1:29:17
Speaker 9: War at that time in 1862. He was called the
1:29:21
Speaker 9: scapegoat of Shiloh because Grant unfairly blamed him for Grant's
1:29:25
Speaker 9: mistakes at Shiloh. And then he became the savior of
1:29:29
Speaker 9: Cincinnati when Cincinnati was attacked by 10,000 Confederates, an army
1:29:33
Speaker 9: that came up from Lexington to burn and loot and
1:29:37
Speaker 9: steal everything and hold the city for ransom. If the
1:29:40
Speaker 9: Confederates had been able to take Cincinnati, that would have
1:29:43
Speaker 9: been the only northern city taken by the South during
1:29:45
Speaker 9: the Civil War. And it would have completely changed our history.
1:29:50
Speaker 9: We would have divided the Union Army into two halves.
1:29:53
Speaker 9: They would have taken control of the Ohio River. And
1:29:55
Speaker 9: Abraham Lincoln could never get reelected, having lost the sixth
1:29:58
Speaker 9: biggest city in the country.
1:30:00
Speaker 2: Oh, astute observation there, Peter. Didn't really ever give that
1:30:03
Speaker 2: a whole lot of thought.
1:30:04
Speaker 7: Yeah.
1:30:05
Speaker 9: But the man who came to save Cincinnati arrived at
1:30:07
Speaker 9: midnight while the mayor of Cincinnati was ready to wave
1:30:11
Speaker 9: the white flag and surrender to the south. And he said,
1:30:14
Speaker 9: put that flag away. We're going to fight. And they said, well,
1:30:17
Speaker 9: we don't have cannons. We don't have soldiers. They had
1:30:19
Speaker 9: sent them all south to a big battle they were expecting.
1:30:22
Speaker 9: And he said, Cincinnati will defend itself. So he issued
1:30:27
Speaker 9: a martial law proclamation that every able-bodied man must show
1:30:30
Speaker 9: up the next morning with a shovel or a musket.
1:30:34
Speaker 9: And they all marched him across a bridge that was
1:30:36
Speaker 9: built in three days across the Ohio River. That was
1:30:40
Speaker 9: the first one. And they took him into the hills
1:30:42
Speaker 9: of northern Kentucky where they built this network of defenses.
1:30:46
Speaker 9: And Lew Wallace saved Cincinnati.
1:30:49
Speaker 2: How about that? And the really cool story out of that,
1:30:52
Speaker 2: and I'd never heard of it before, that you wrote
1:30:55
Speaker 2: about and I read about in the book, is the
1:30:56
Speaker 2: Black Brigade.
1:30:57
Speaker 9: Yes, that's a fantastic story. So the mayor of Cincinnati
1:31:01
Speaker 9: was a copperhead, meaning he sympathized with the South. And
1:31:05
Speaker 9: he took advantage of this turmoil to send his police
1:31:08
Speaker 9: out with bayonets to round up all the free black
1:31:11
Speaker 9: men in Cincinnati. This was free on this side of
1:31:14
Speaker 9: the river, but the Kentucky side of the river was
1:31:17
Speaker 9: a slave state. He rounded him up and marched him
1:31:19
Speaker 9: across the bridge into a slave state, meaning they were
1:31:22
Speaker 9: now vulnerable to being seized as slaves again.
1:31:26
Speaker 7: And some were.
1:31:28
Speaker 9: And when Lew Wallace heard about this, he blew his
1:31:30
Speaker 9: stack and he sent one of his top officers across
1:31:32
Speaker 9: the river to round him up, brought him back. And
1:31:35
Speaker 9: they told him in a big gathering, they said, listen,
1:31:37
Speaker 9: we're very sorry what happened. We're not going to let
1:31:39
Speaker 9: this happen again. But we really could use your help
1:31:41
Speaker 9: to defend the city. Well, they expected nothing after being
1:31:45
Speaker 9: treated that way and herded like animals with bayonets. So
1:31:49
Speaker 9: 300 went home that night. The next morning, 700 returned.
1:31:55
Speaker 9: It always gives me chills when I think about that.
1:31:57
Speaker 9: And that's because- And.
1:31:58
Speaker 2: This is before the internet when they could get word
1:32:00
Speaker 2: out to everybody. I guess they got word out quickly.
1:32:03
Speaker 9: I love that. You can just imagine how people are
1:32:05
Speaker 9: going house to house. They were saying, we have a
1:32:07
Speaker 9: chance to fight under our own flag to free our
1:32:10
Speaker 9: brothers and sisters in slavery.
1:32:12
Speaker 7: And they showed up.
1:32:13
Speaker 9: 700 showed up and they were put out on the
1:32:16
Speaker 9: very spear tip of our defense.
1:32:19
Speaker 2: That's amazing. Kind of like sort of Paul Revere-esque.
1:32:23
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:32:24
Speaker 2: The Confederates are coming. The Confederates are coming. Grab your arms.
1:32:27
Speaker 2: We're going to go and kick some serious ass.
1:32:28
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:32:30
Speaker 9: And these men, as part of this project, I put
1:32:34
Speaker 9: the roster of their unit, the Black Brigade, is on
1:32:38
Speaker 9: my website. If you go to chiliadogpress.com and noodle around there,
1:32:42
Speaker 9: you'll find it. And it lists the names of all
1:32:44
Speaker 9: these men who served in that. And some went on
1:32:47
Speaker 9: to serve in the brigade that was featured in the
1:32:49
Speaker 9: movie Glory.
1:32:50
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:32:51
Speaker 9: And because they weren't eligible to serve in the Army
1:32:54
Speaker 9: in Ohio, but Massachusetts was allowing black soldiers. So some
1:32:59
Speaker 9: of them did that. And they had great glory and
1:33:04
Speaker 9: service in the Civil War. And it's just one of
1:33:06
Speaker 9: the great stories that Cincinnati has forgotten, which should make
1:33:10
Speaker 9: us very proud of this city.
1:33:11
Speaker 2: Absolutely. And that's... I think every time you have been
1:33:14
Speaker 2: in the studio since you wrote that book, I brought
1:33:16
Speaker 2: that up for that very reason. It's new. It was
1:33:19
Speaker 2: new information for me, and it shouldn't have been. Don't
1:33:21
Speaker 2: go away. More with Peter Braun.
1:33:22
Speaker 3: Talk Station.
1:33:23
Speaker 2: 751 at 55KRCD Talk Station. Now, last segment with Peter Bronson.
1:33:31
Speaker 2: Let us do what we always do at this time
1:33:32
Speaker 2: of week. Tiffany Green, Officer Green from the Cincinnati Police
1:33:35
Speaker 2: Department Crime Stoppers Unit with the Crime Stopper Bad Guy
1:33:38
Speaker 2: of the Week. Welcome back, Officer Green. God bless you
1:33:40
Speaker 2: and all law enforcement officers. Who are we looking for today?
1:33:43
Speaker 8: Thank you, Brian, and good morning.
1:33:45
Speaker 4: The Cincinnati Police District 4 is looking for Joshua Malik Payne.
1:33:50
Speaker 5: Mr.
1:33:50
Speaker 4: Payne is wanted for aggravated burglary and misdemeanor domestic violence.
1:33:55
Speaker 4: Police say on September 7th of 2026, Mr. Payne forced
1:33:59
Speaker 4: entry into the victim's residence and physically assaulted the victim.
1:34:04
Speaker 4: Joshua Malik Payne is a black male. He's 25 years old.
1:34:07
Speaker 4: He's 6 foot and 160 pounds. Joshua Malik Payne has
1:34:12
Speaker 4: no known arrest history and was last known to live
1:34:15
Speaker 4: on Candle Lane in Green Hills. If anyone has information
1:34:19
Speaker 4: on where police can find Joshua Malik Payne, please call
1:34:23
Speaker 4: Crime Stoppers at 513-352-3040 or submit a tip online at crime-stoppers.us.
1:34:31
Speaker 2: You will remain anonymous. You'll be eligible for a cash
1:34:33
Speaker 2: reward if your tip leads to an arrest. And, of course,
1:34:35
Speaker 2: you'll be doing the greater Cincinnati area a real service.
1:34:37
Speaker 2: I don't like guys that engage in domestic violence. Officer Green,
1:34:41
Speaker 2: thank you so much. His photograph, his mugshot, rather, is
1:34:45
Speaker 2: on the 55KRC. iHeart website. dot-com webpage so my listeners can
1:34:49
Speaker 2: take a look at them and drop the dime if
1:34:51
Speaker 2: they have something that will lead to an arrest. Thank you,
1:34:53
Speaker 2: Officer Green. God bless you. Have a great weekend. Back
1:34:55
Speaker 2: to Peter Bronson. Peter Bronson. Yes, sir. I had asked
1:35:01
Speaker 2: you earlier before we went on air if you currently
1:35:04
Speaker 2: are writing a book, not releasing one this year.
1:35:08
Speaker 7: No, I'm not.
1:35:10
Speaker 9: What I'm doing instead for Christmas promotions or sales is
1:35:13
Speaker 9: I'm doing a box set of five books. This is
1:35:16
Speaker 9: all from Forbidden Fruit through Not in Our Town, The
1:35:20
Speaker 9: Man Who Saved Cincinnati, Promised Land, and then the latest one,
1:35:23
Speaker 9: Magical History Tour. The five books come in a really
1:35:26
Speaker 9: nice little box, and they're five books for the price
1:35:30
Speaker 9: of four, plus shipping. So that'd be about $ 80 for
1:35:34
Speaker 9: five books and all Cincinnati history.
1:35:37
Speaker 2: Fantastic. I understand that when you do book signings, they
1:35:40
Speaker 2: sell like hotcakes.
1:35:41
Speaker 3: They do.
1:35:42
Speaker 9: I can't get enough of them there. They just disappear
1:35:44
Speaker 9: right away. So I'm very optimistic that this is the
1:35:47
Speaker 9: kind of thing people will like, especially for friends and
1:35:50
Speaker 9: family who love Cincinnati and don't know some of these
1:35:53
Speaker 9: great stories about our history.
1:35:55
Speaker 2: No doubt about it, and some really good stories. Hey,
1:35:57
Speaker 2: the Magical History Tour, that one's the one where you
1:35:59
Speaker 2: have a discussion of the Fen-Fen litigation.
1:36:02
Speaker 7: Yes, yes.
1:36:04
Speaker 2: Oh, and I thanked you specifically for that, because I,
1:36:07
Speaker 2: you know, you can say anything you want about Stan Chesley,
1:36:10
Speaker 2: I can't find a single positive thing to say about him.
1:36:13
Speaker 2: And boy, don't you unload on him.
1:36:14
Speaker 9: He was a philanthropist. He did some nice things for
1:36:17
Speaker 9: the city. I think that was out.
1:36:18
Speaker 2: With ill-gotten gains, maybe, toward the end of his life there, huh?
1:36:22
Speaker 7: I'd say so, Brian.
1:36:23
Speaker 9: But just read the story, Feeding Frenzy, and Magical History Tour.
1:36:27
Speaker 7: It's pretty amazing.
1:36:28
Speaker 2: You're going to love all of the books Peter writes,
1:36:30
Speaker 2: and that's why it's a great thing to get the
1:36:31
Speaker 2: box set. You're going to have the box set on
1:36:32
Speaker 2: your website soon.
1:36:34
Speaker 7: Yes, I'm hoping to get that up in the next week.
1:36:36
Speaker 2: Well, now you have incentive to do so. I do, yeah.
1:36:39
Speaker 2: It's ChiliDogPress.com. Joe Strucker is going to put a link
1:36:41
Speaker 2: on the blog page, 55KRC. iHeart. com. So this conversation, the links
1:36:45
Speaker 2: to his website, and your ability to get the book,
1:36:47
Speaker 2: which I, trust me, whoever you give it to is
1:36:49
Speaker 2: going to be just really appreciative of it. So do that.
1:36:53
Speaker 2: Peter Ronson, you're always welcome in this studio.
1:36:54
Speaker 7: Thank you, Brian.
1:36:55
Speaker 2: I'm taking you up on your lunch. We're going to
1:36:56
Speaker 2: have lunch together real soon.
1:36:58
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
1:36:58
Speaker 2: Good morning to my mom, who I know is listening
1:37:01
Speaker 2: in this final parting thought. She really enjoyed your speech
1:37:05
Speaker 2: over on the west side. Thank you very much. She
1:37:06
Speaker 2: was there in attendance, and I think she maybe even
1:37:08
Speaker 2: stopped in and said hello to you.
1:37:09
Speaker 7: Oh, yeah, yeah. Very nice.
1:37:12
Speaker 2: Appreciate you doing that. Nice lady. And one more time,
1:37:14
Speaker 2: the Indian Hill?
1:37:15
Speaker 9: Indian Hill Historical Society on Thursday, October 22nd. Doors open
1:37:20
Speaker 9: at 630. The program begins at 7, and it is
1:37:23
Speaker 9: free to the public.
1:37:24
Speaker 3: Show up.
1:37:25
Speaker 2: Be there. Peter Bronson will do this again soon, I hope. Folks,
1:37:27
Speaker 2: don't go away. Janice Heisel, she's from the Epoch Times.
1:37:30
Speaker 2: She wrote an article about these. Christopher, hi. The 55KRCD
1:37:33
Speaker 2: Talk Station. Happy Friday. Brian Thomas welcoming you to the
1:37:36
Speaker 2: 55KRCD Morning Show. The return of, I hope you have
1:37:39
Speaker 2: it bookmarked, Epoch Times, E-P-O-C-H, TheEpochTimes.com. Just don't put in EpochTimes.com.
1:37:45
Speaker 2: You'll end up with some Chinese site that you won't
1:37:46
Speaker 2: be able to read unless you speak that language. Welcome back,
1:37:48
Speaker 2: Janice Heisel. It's great having you on the program this morning.
1:37:52
Speaker 8: Fantastic. Thank you so much.
1:37:54
Speaker 2: Not to take you off on a cul-de-sac, but since
1:37:57
Speaker 2: I opened my mouth, I typed in Epic Times, just
1:38:01
Speaker 2: a routine course in a search engine, and I came
1:38:04
Speaker 2: up with that. Do you know what that site is
1:38:06
Speaker 2: when you just type in EpicTimes.com? Have you ever looked
1:38:08
Speaker 2: into that?
1:38:09
Speaker 8: Well, actually, we do have multiple languages. Our publication is
1:38:14
Speaker 8: in about, I think, 32 languages.
1:38:16
Speaker 2: Oh, my word.
1:38:17
Speaker 3: So that.
1:38:18
Speaker 2: I couldn't read a word on the site. I don't
1:38:19
Speaker 2: speak or can't read that language. So that is your
1:38:22
Speaker 2: site except in that language. Well, that's fun fact.
1:38:26
Speaker 3: All right.
1:38:26
Speaker 2: I'm glad you get that. Then your site has grown
1:38:28
Speaker 2: year after year after year for, with good reason. terrific reporting.
1:38:31
Speaker 2: I have to point out, I rely on the site.
1:38:33
Speaker 2: I say literally every day to get good material for
1:38:36
Speaker 2: the 55 KRC morning show, including this article about Christopher Columbus. Now,
1:38:41
Speaker 2: as you observe, I mean, this whole anti Columbus thing,
1:38:45
Speaker 2: tearing down statues of of Christopher Columbus, including in Columbus,
1:38:50
Speaker 2: the city of Columbus and other cities that are named
1:38:53
Speaker 2: after the man. This really took off after the George
1:38:56
Speaker 2: Floyd riots. It's like every symbol of American history all
1:39:00
Speaker 2: of a sudden became just the focus of demonization and
1:39:04
Speaker 2: anger and, oh my God, that's an illustration of evil
1:39:07
Speaker 2: white colonialism or whatever the arguments were. But this actually
1:39:11
Speaker 2: with Columbus started back in 1991, didn't it?
1:39:15
Speaker 8: You know, that's true. But in a way, it predates
1:39:19
Speaker 8: that because, as my article points out, there is a
1:39:22
Speaker 8: book that came out in 1980 that one woman I
1:39:25
Speaker 8: interviewed and many others actually feel was instrumental, like really
1:39:30
Speaker 8: pivotal in changing how most people view Christopher Columbus in
1:39:35
Speaker 8: this country. And that particular book has been assailed as
1:39:41
Speaker 8: taking a lot of liberties, shall we say, with accounts
1:39:46
Speaker 8: that were said to come from Christopher Columbus. Now, I
1:39:48
Speaker 8: was able to document that his diaries are actually lost.
1:39:53
Speaker 8: And so all the accounts that are said to be
1:39:55
Speaker 8: from him are really secondhand.
1:39:57
Speaker 2: And then when you take that, you cobble together. It's
1:40:01
Speaker 2: a People's History of the United States by this Zinn guy.
1:40:05
Speaker 2: That's the one where you say he's misrepresented. And he quotes...
1:40:09
Speaker 2: He allegedly quotes these diary entries from Christopher Columbus, which
1:40:13
Speaker 2: you point out do not exist and have been lost
1:40:16
Speaker 2: to time.
1:40:18
Speaker 8: Correct. And then on top of it, the woman I
1:40:20
Speaker 8: interviewed who wrote a book about this, she calls it
1:40:23
Speaker 8: debunking Howard Zinn, the author of that book. She points
1:40:26
Speaker 8: out that, you know, when you put ellipses, the little
1:40:29
Speaker 8: three dots, it shows, hey, I left out a few
1:40:31
Speaker 8: words here. What if you leave out two days of
1:40:33
Speaker 8: diary entries in between? So that's basically what she's saying
1:40:39
Speaker 8: is happening here, that things are being cobbled together, made
1:40:41
Speaker 8: to look a different way than they were really intended,
1:40:44
Speaker 8: and some things like that. Now, she also does say, though,
1:40:48
Speaker 8: that some of the Spaniards who were under control were
1:40:52
Speaker 8: or leadership of Christopher Columbus would not listen to him.
1:40:55
Speaker 8: And they did do some things that were just really,
1:40:58
Speaker 8: really awful. But she's saying, like, don't lay this at
1:41:02
Speaker 8: his feet. It's not his fault, basically. There are people
1:41:04
Speaker 8: who say that. So it's a very interesting backstory to
1:41:08
Speaker 8: all of this. And what's consequential about this for everyone,
1:41:12
Speaker 8: as pointed out in my article, is that some people
1:41:15
Speaker 8: might not care about Christopher Columbus, but you may care
1:41:19
Speaker 8: about another icon in history. And as one person put it,
1:41:23
Speaker 8: they may be coming for us today, but what about
1:41:25
Speaker 8: you tomorrow?
1:41:26
Speaker 2: Oh, without question. Without question. The Democrat Party, I would argue,
1:41:30
Speaker 2: you don't need to agree with me or not, but
1:41:32
Speaker 2: it's starting to eat their own. It's been taken over
1:41:35
Speaker 2: and co-opted by a bunch of far-left socialists-cum-communists who are right?
1:41:39
Speaker 2: Going after the old school, more traditional Democrats and ousting
1:41:44
Speaker 2: them in primaries and telling them they shouldn't run anymore
1:41:47
Speaker 2: and disagreeing with them publicly. So they're finding themselves in
1:41:52
Speaker 2: the crosshairs of many Democrats given the direction of the party.
1:41:55
Speaker 2: That is my conclusion. You don't need to share it,
1:41:57
Speaker 2: but that's what I see happening. Yes, just wait for it.
1:42:00
Speaker 2: In a moment in time forward, you're going to be
1:42:01
Speaker 2: the target without question. That's why we need to stop this.
1:42:04
Speaker 2: But what they do is, I mean, a couple of
1:42:05
Speaker 2: things is it goes on all the time with this
1:42:08
Speaker 2: People failed to put the conduct that was going on,
1:42:11
Speaker 2: in other words, him being an explorer in the 1400s,
1:42:14
Speaker 2: in the context of cultural history. People viewed the world differently.
1:42:21
Speaker 2: Christopher Columbus was considered rather heroic and daring. Many people
1:42:26
Speaker 2: wouldn't get in a boat and leave sight of the coastline.
1:42:28
Speaker 2: This guy was willing to circumnavigate the world if he
1:42:30
Speaker 2: could get a chance to do it. He had the
1:42:32
Speaker 2: financing for it. This is the beginning of a modern exploration.
1:42:35
Speaker 2: This is a world-globe-changing historical moment, is it not?
1:42:41
Speaker 8: Absolutely. Well, in my article, I also pointed out that
1:42:45
Speaker 8: an astrophysicist who studies how human beings fit into the universe,
1:42:51
Speaker 8: he put it this way. I thought this was really interesting.
1:42:53
Speaker 8: I don't think a lot of people quite grasp this.
1:42:57
Speaker 8: Christopher Columbus, by coming to the hemisphere, rejoined two populations
1:43:03
Speaker 8: of people who had been separated for, think about this,
1:43:06
Speaker 8: 10,000 years. After the Ice Age melted away, the land
1:43:11
Speaker 8: bridge that connected those two hemispheres was now submerged. And then,
1:43:17
Speaker 8: you know, we have people in the Western Hemisphere who
1:43:18
Speaker 8: don't know there's people over there in the East for
1:43:21
Speaker 8: the most part. Yes, there were a few Vikings and stuff,
1:43:23
Speaker 8: but his journey was the first meaningful reconnection of two
1:43:29
Speaker 8: populations separated for 10,000 years, for better or for worse.
1:43:33
Speaker 8: That is, in fact, what happened.
1:43:35
Speaker 2: Indeed. And this campaign that began on the 500-year anniversary
1:43:39
Speaker 2: of Columbus's voyage, or before it, going back to your
1:43:41
Speaker 2: point about Zinn's book, it Is it the legacy of
1:43:47
Speaker 2: European colonialism that's at the heart of this? Because, of course,
1:43:51
Speaker 2: the explorers pretty much came from Spain and Italy and
1:43:56
Speaker 2: European countries. They're the ones that went out in search
1:43:59
Speaker 2: of treasure and in search of conquest, and I understand
1:44:01
Speaker 2: all that. But that's the point about this, that they're
1:44:04
Speaker 2: angry at the ultimate historical reality that unfolded over hundreds
1:44:08
Speaker 2: of years since Columbus got.
1:44:09
Speaker 3: In his boat.
1:44:11
Speaker 8: That's a large part of it from what I understand.
1:44:13
Speaker 8: But then the other part of it is actually there's
1:44:15
Speaker 8: a lot of misunderstanding. If you look at the history,
1:44:19
Speaker 8: it's true that Columbus himself never actually set foot on
1:44:23
Speaker 8: the shores of what is now the United States of America.
1:44:25
Speaker 2: That is a fact.
1:44:27
Speaker 8: And so there was a Native American woman who was
1:44:29
Speaker 8: arguing with a guy that I interviewed. And according to him,
1:44:33
Speaker 8: she said, well, he did terrible things to the Native
1:44:37
Speaker 8: Americans here in our country. And he's like, don't you
1:44:42
Speaker 8: know he never set foot here? And she just refused
1:44:46
Speaker 8: to believe him.
1:44:47
Speaker 2: Yeah. I always find those things hilarious. This is history.
1:44:53
Speaker 2: This is real. These are facts. No, no, no, no,
1:44:55
Speaker 2: they're not.
1:44:56
Speaker 11: Okay.
1:44:57
Speaker 2: This is where we've come in society in these days,
1:44:59
Speaker 2: Janice Heisel. And are we making progress toward what I
1:45:03
Speaker 2: would argue is a more sane position to spring from,
1:45:06
Speaker 2: which is, okay, acknowledge that he did have some faults, perhaps,
1:45:10
Speaker 2: and that there were some bad things that happened as
1:45:11
Speaker 2: a consequence of exploration and colonialism. But there's a lot
1:45:15
Speaker 2: to be, there's a lot for Italian-Americans, Italians generally, but
1:45:18
Speaker 2: people generally speaking, to say that it's positive about Christopher Columbus.
1:45:24
Speaker 8: The Italian-Americans have absolutely pushed back. One of the things
1:45:27
Speaker 8: that really touched my heart and why I led my
1:45:30
Speaker 8: article with this is that think about this. Imagine these
1:45:33
Speaker 8: were your ancestors. I talked to two men, one of
1:45:36
Speaker 8: whom his dad was involved and the other guy, his
1:45:39
Speaker 8: grandfather was involved. They are in Syracuse, New York. Their
1:45:44
Speaker 8: ancestors during the Great Depression put together literally nickels and
1:45:48
Speaker 8: dimes to try to put together this statue. And that's
1:45:53
Speaker 8: how their statue came to be. Nickels and dime contributions
1:45:56
Speaker 8: from Italian-American people who at that time in history, got
1:46:01
Speaker 8: to look at the entire context here, were still coming
1:46:04
Speaker 8: out of being very, very discriminated against. In fact, this
1:46:08
Speaker 8: closely followed some of the movement toward getting statues to
1:46:14
Speaker 8: Christopher Columbus by Italian-Americans came right after the worst lynching
1:46:20
Speaker 8: in American history. Eleven Italian-American men killed in New Orleans
1:46:27
Speaker 8: over a death that happened, and they were trying to
1:46:31
Speaker 8: say that these people did it even though a court
1:46:33
Speaker 8: acquitted them. So, um, it was really, really horrible. And
1:46:38
Speaker 8: that actually also could be a movement toward, uh, honoring
1:46:41
Speaker 8: Christopher Columbus actually closely followed the massacre at wounded knee
1:46:45
Speaker 8: in South Dakota. So American Indians were originally involved in
1:46:50
Speaker 8: the dedication of some of these statues, including the one
1:46:53
Speaker 8: in Syracuse, which remains under threat of possible removal.
1:46:58
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:46:58
Speaker 2: The local native American tribe there changed its mind after
1:47:01
Speaker 2: a long, long time decided that it was an offense
1:47:04
Speaker 2: to them. And, uh, They want him out. Christopher Columbus statues,
1:47:07
Speaker 2: the subject of the Janice Heisel article over at TheEpicTimes.com.
1:47:12
Speaker 2: Columbus statues become targets across America. Italian Americans are fighting back.
1:47:17
Speaker 2: It's a wonderful historic discussion as well as the status
1:47:20
Speaker 2: of where things are with these various Christopher Columbus statues. Janice,
1:47:23
Speaker 2: thank you so much for bringing it all to our
1:47:24
Speaker 2: attention and spending time with my listeners and me here
1:47:26
Speaker 2: on the 55KRC Morning Show today.
1:47:29
Speaker 8: Thank you so much. And before I go, I do
1:47:30
Speaker 8: want to point out that there's a big controversy in Columbus,
1:47:33
Speaker 8: Ohio over this Mary issue.
1:47:35
Speaker 2: Yes, there is, and you addressed that in the article
1:47:37
Speaker 2: as well. I would encourage my listeners to take a
1:47:39
Speaker 2: look at it. Joe's going to put a link on
1:47:40
Speaker 2: the blog page at 55KRC. com to your article, Janice. Keep
1:47:43
Speaker 2: up the great writing work at Epoch Times, and I
1:47:46
Speaker 2: look forward to having you back on the program again
1:47:47
Speaker 2: real soon.
1:47:49
Speaker 11: Excellent.
1:47:49
Speaker 8: Thank you so much.
1:47:50
Speaker 2: You take care. It's 8.15 right now, 55KRC Detox Station.
1:47:53
Speaker 2: Steve Gooden, our legal expert.
1:47:55
Speaker 3: KRC Detox Station.
1:47:57
Speaker 2: 8.19, 55KRC Detox Station. It's going to be Friday. Welcome back.
1:48:03
Speaker 2: Resident 55KRC legal expert, because I do not qualify, from
1:48:07
Speaker 2: the law firm of Porter Wright. Steve Gooden, good to
1:48:09
Speaker 2: have you back on the show, my friend.
1:48:11
Speaker 3: Hey, good to be here.
1:48:13
Speaker 2: And you've been following this Rodney Hinton Jr.
1:48:16
Speaker 3: Case.
1:48:16
Speaker 2: He, of course, is on trial for murdering Hamilton County
1:48:19
Speaker 2: Sheriff Deputy Larry Hinton. Henderson. Hinton saw his son. I
1:48:22
Speaker 2: saw a video of his son being killed by police
1:48:24
Speaker 2: officers because the son was brandishing a firearm and fleeing.
1:48:28
Speaker 2: I think most of my listening audience knows the details
1:48:30
Speaker 2: on that. But after watching a videotape of the incident,
1:48:33
Speaker 2: the officer camera tape, he obviously was a little distraught
1:48:37
Speaker 2: and he left and then ultimately decided he was going
1:48:40
Speaker 2: to run over Hamilton County Sheriff's deputy, Larry Henderson, who
1:48:43
Speaker 2: literally had no connection whatsoever with the activity that led
1:48:46
Speaker 2: to his son's death. Now with that in mind, let
1:48:49
Speaker 2: me start with, he was being, he charged with murder,
1:48:53
Speaker 2: but the judge, judge Jody Lubbers yesterday entertained a motion
1:48:57
Speaker 2: by Clyde Bennett, the lawyer for the defendant seeking to
1:49:00
Speaker 2: include reckless homicide charges. And after thinking about that for
1:49:03
Speaker 2: a while, uh, She went ahead and said, OK, yeah,
1:49:05
Speaker 2: we're going to allow the jurors to be able to
1:49:07
Speaker 2: consider reckless homicide a step down from the original charge.
1:49:10
Speaker 2: What does this mean in your mind, Steve Gooden?
1:49:16
Speaker 13: Well, it's a bad sign for the prosecution. You know,
1:49:19
Speaker 13: this is one of these cases that a lot of
1:49:20
Speaker 13: folks thought just couldn't be lost. You know, there's eyewitness
1:49:25
Speaker 13: systems striking Deputy Henderson. There's no question he struck Deputy Henderson.
1:49:30
Speaker 13: I mean, he admits it. I mean, it happened. It
1:49:32
Speaker 13: was just one of these facts that cannot be gotten around.
1:49:36
Speaker 13: But what his defense team has done a really good
1:49:39
Speaker 13: job of doing is laying out the fact that Mr.
1:49:43
Speaker 13: Hinton had pre-existing, serious pre-existing mental health problems. His family
1:49:49
Speaker 13: members have come in. He had been hospitalized before. He
1:49:52
Speaker 13: had medicated before for severe bipolar disorder, was not on
1:49:56
Speaker 13: those medications at the time. And they have basically entered
1:50:01
Speaker 13: into evidence this idea that Hinton was really trying to
1:50:04
Speaker 13: kill himself because he also, at the same time he
1:50:08
Speaker 13: struck Hinton, struck a pole, a light pole. And I
1:50:15
Speaker 13: know it's all bizarre to me, but they're doing a
1:50:17
Speaker 13: pretty good job of muddying the waters.
1:50:19
Speaker 2: Well, suicidal ideation has nothing to do with knowing the
1:50:24
Speaker 2: difference from right or wrong.
1:50:26
Speaker 13: No, absolutely.
1:50:27
Speaker 2: I think you're absolutely correct. Nor does having a mental
1:50:30
Speaker 2: health problem, preexisting or otherwise. The question in an insanity
1:50:34
Speaker 2: plea is you could not discern the difference between right
1:50:38
Speaker 2: and wrong at the time you committed the heinous act
1:50:40
Speaker 2: of running over Camelton County Sheriff W.D. Larry Henderson. I mean,
1:50:43
Speaker 2: they have all the experts. You got video camera footage
1:50:46
Speaker 2: of him. You had the accident reconstruction expert talking about
1:50:49
Speaker 2: how he went from zero to plus 50 in about
1:50:51
Speaker 2: a second or two, I mean, or four or five seconds.
1:50:54
Speaker 2: He adjusted the direction of his car on the fly
1:50:58
Speaker 2: to make sure he was aiming at the sheriff's deputy.
1:51:02
Speaker 2: And they even have a psychiatrist testimony that he admitted
1:51:04
Speaker 2: out loud that he really kind of did that. I mean, no,
1:51:09
Speaker 2: I had to turn a little bit to hit him,
1:51:11
Speaker 2: Hinton said. That says he was aware and engaged in,
1:51:15
Speaker 2: sounds to me like, a specific action in order to
1:51:18
Speaker 2: bring about the result that happened.
1:51:21
Speaker 13: Well, look, I agree with you. I wouldn't struggle with
1:51:23
Speaker 13: this at all. I thought this was murder from the beginning.
1:51:26
Speaker 13: Like I said, I didn't know Larry Henderson well, but
1:51:29
Speaker 13: I did know him. And I'm absolutely sick and disgusted
1:51:33
Speaker 13: as to where this seems to be going. But I
1:51:36
Speaker 13: can tell you that I've watched big, big chunks of
1:51:40
Speaker 13: the trial that are being live streamed, spoken to some
1:51:43
Speaker 13: of the attorneys involved, and just what seems to be
1:51:47
Speaker 13: playing out in that room. is that his defense team
1:51:52
Speaker 13: has really sort of muddied the waters as to whether
1:51:55
Speaker 13: or not his mental health situation was so severe he
1:51:58
Speaker 13: couldn't do anything. And I don't think they've got enough
1:52:00
Speaker 13: evidence to get a true not guilty by reason of insanity.
1:52:05
Speaker 13: But they have done a good job, it seems, of
1:52:08
Speaker 13: creating some sympathy for him. And the prosecution's case has
1:52:13
Speaker 13: been very slow and scattered. It took them four days
1:52:16
Speaker 13: to get the accident reconstruction to stand to the record,
1:52:19
Speaker 13: which is something they should have done. It might be
1:52:20
Speaker 13: right away because that.
1:52:22
Speaker 3: Was their best evidence.
1:52:24
Speaker 13: The black box in the vehicle clearly shows a last
1:52:27
Speaker 13: minute swerve, which indicates some awareness of what he was doing.
1:52:32
Speaker 13: And the idea that he was actually trying to kill
1:52:33
Speaker 13: himself by hitting a telephone pole or light pole is absurd.
1:52:38
Speaker 13: But they do have they had an eyewitness to that
1:52:40
Speaker 13: effect that said, look, he seemed to be trying to
1:52:43
Speaker 13: go at the pole. more than anything else, even though
1:52:47
Speaker 13: the black box does show a last-minute swerve, as you noted.
1:52:51
Speaker 13: So I think what they're trying to do is to
1:52:53
Speaker 13: create enough sympathy so that there might be a compromise between,
1:52:58
Speaker 13: you know, I don't think there's anyone on the jury
1:52:59
Speaker 13: that wants to totally let him go. I doubt most
1:53:02
Speaker 13: of the jury's buying this not guilty by reason of
1:53:04
Speaker 13: insanity defense.
1:53:06
Speaker 3: So the idea is.
1:53:07
Speaker 13: To give a jury that might be deadlocked or have
1:53:10
Speaker 13: a couple holdouts a this middle ground. And I think
1:53:13
Speaker 13: reckless homicide here is, would, would be a real travesty
1:53:17
Speaker 13: if that's where it goes. But, but it just, it,
1:53:21
Speaker 13: it feels that way to me.
1:53:22
Speaker 2: Well, the, the, the mental element here, moving it away
1:53:25
Speaker 2: from where they knew right or wrong, the mens rea
1:53:26
Speaker 2: element with a murder is an intentional murder. He particularly,
1:53:29
Speaker 2: he planned it. He wanted to do it. It was
1:53:31
Speaker 2: a specific target, knew everything about it. But as insofar
1:53:34
Speaker 2: as reckless homicide, that's sort of an inadvertent death, isn't it?
1:53:38
Speaker 2: There was no intent to kill somebody.
1:53:41
Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
1:53:42
Speaker 13: In order for the jury to get to this reckless
1:53:44
Speaker 13: homicide idea, they have to buy that he had this
1:53:46
Speaker 13: suicidal ideation, was trying to hit the pole, and just
1:53:51
Speaker 13: basically killed Deputy Anderson incidentally. I don't think that's what happened.
1:53:57
Speaker 13: I don't think that's what the evidence shows happened. But really,
1:54:01
Speaker 13: it feels like to me the strategy from the defense
1:54:03
Speaker 13: all along was to get one or two jurors. They
1:54:06
Speaker 13: weren't looking for an acquittal. They were looking for a
1:54:09
Speaker 13: hung jury or to lay enough of an evidence like
1:54:12
Speaker 13: a lay enough of a factual predicate to convince the
1:54:15
Speaker 13: judge to put in some sort of lesser charge. So this, this,
1:54:19
Speaker 13: it looks like was their strategy all along. We'll see
1:54:22
Speaker 13: if they buy it. I mean, it could very well
1:54:23
Speaker 13: be that the, uh, uh, the jurors just cut her
1:54:26
Speaker 13: out and go back and say, look, we're going to
1:54:29
Speaker 13: go with the, uh, the accident reconstruction testimony and, and
1:54:33
Speaker 13: what the, uh, psychologist said, because it seems to me
1:54:36
Speaker 13: that hadn't almost basically admitted it to the psychologist who, uh,
1:54:40
Speaker 13: who reviewed him from the state. But he also, his psychologist,
1:54:43
Speaker 13: I watched most of her testimony, and she did a really, really,
1:54:48
Speaker 13: I disagree with it, but a very compelling job of
1:54:51
Speaker 13: laying out just basically, for lack.
1:54:53
Speaker 3: Of a better term, that Mr.
1:54:56
Speaker 13: Hinton was crazier than we knew and crazier than it
1:54:59
Speaker 13: seemed and had like a longer and more detailed and
1:55:02
Speaker 13: more severe mental health history than would have been reported elsewhere.
1:55:06
Speaker 13: And I also, and I don't want to just sit
1:55:08
Speaker 13: here and beat on the prosecution, but I did that
1:55:10
Speaker 13: for many years down there, and I've tried these NGRI cases.
1:55:13
Speaker 13: They're very hard to do. And what the reports I'm
1:55:16
Speaker 13: getting is that the jurors were really, you know, obviously
1:55:20
Speaker 13: could be, obviously seen being bored and lost by the
1:55:24
Speaker 13: state's case.
1:55:25
Speaker 3: And again, a part of that.
1:55:26
Speaker 13: Is just a function of how these cases have to
1:55:28
Speaker 13: be put on. They're kind of strange in that you
1:55:31
Speaker 13: have to lay a detailed factual predicate by the prosecution.
1:55:37
Speaker 13: about what happened, and then wait for the defense to
1:55:40
Speaker 13: actually put on evidence about mental state, and then you
1:55:42
Speaker 13: come back and rebut that. It's what's called an affirmative defense.
1:55:46
Speaker 13: So you're in a weird place as it is, but
1:55:49
Speaker 13: the bottom line is it took the prosecution four days
1:55:54
Speaker 13: of jury selection, opening statements, and trial before they put
1:55:59
Speaker 13: the first evidence into the record about intent. And there's
1:56:04
Speaker 13: concern among some of the other folks I know who
1:56:06
Speaker 13: have been observing this that they might have kind of
1:56:09
Speaker 13: lost the jury in the process. I think you've got
1:56:12
Speaker 13: to come out strong and fast. First impressions matter here.
1:56:17
Speaker 13: And it feels as though there were moments where it
1:56:20
Speaker 13: was kind of meandering. And I would also note this
1:56:23
Speaker 13: eyewitness who raised the issue about whether or not he
1:56:26
Speaker 13: was actually trying to drive into the pole and kill himself.
1:56:30
Speaker 13: That was a state witness. I mean, that was not
1:56:33
Speaker 13: something the defense put on. That was a witness for
1:56:36
Speaker 13: the prosecution who got twisted up and said that and
1:56:40
Speaker 13: who put all that out on cross-examination. So, you know,
1:56:44
Speaker 13: if this ends up as a reckless homicide, I think
1:56:46
Speaker 13: there's going to be a lot of questions in that
1:56:48
Speaker 13: prosecutor's office about how we got here.
1:56:51
Speaker 2: Steve Gooden from Porter Wright. When do you expect them
1:56:53
Speaker 2: to begin deliberations, if you had to guess?
1:56:56
Speaker 13: Probably not until next week. I mean, I just heard
1:56:59
Speaker 13: from what the judge kind of announced is there's probably
1:57:03
Speaker 13: another full half day, at least today, of psychiatric testimony.
1:57:07
Speaker 13: I would note that there are two psychologists testifying for
1:57:11
Speaker 13: the state. There was an independent examiner as well that
1:57:15
Speaker 13: the court appointed. We don't know what she's going to
1:57:17
Speaker 13: say yet, but the fact that the prosecution is calling
1:57:20
Speaker 13: her and not the defense indicates that they also found that.
1:57:24
Speaker 13: So this may change. over the course of today. But
1:57:28
Speaker 13: we would anticipate closing arguments later this afternoon or Monday,
1:57:31
Speaker 13: and I wouldn't imagine the jury really starts delivering seriously
1:57:34
Speaker 13: until Tuesday of next week.
1:57:35
Speaker 2: Steve Gooden, cannot thank you enough for your thoughtful analysis
1:57:38
Speaker 2: and joining the program late this morning. It was a
1:57:40
Speaker 2: pleasure to have you on. I'll look forward to talking
1:57:42
Speaker 2: with you again, hopefully about this in the very near future.
1:57:44
Speaker 2: Steve Gooden, Porter Writes, where you find him and his team,
1:57:47
Speaker 2: and they are outstanding lawyers. Steve, take care and thank you.
1:57:49
Speaker 2: 832 at 55KRC, the talk station. Happy Friday. Love my
1:57:54
Speaker 2: Fridays for a variety of reasons, including Jack Windsor joining
1:57:58
Speaker 2: the show every Friday beginning at this time on the
1:58:00
Speaker 2: 55KRC Morning Show. You can find him regularly throughout the
1:58:02
Speaker 2: week and hell, all over radio. It's theohiopressnetwork.com. Jack Windsor,
1:58:08
Speaker 2: welcome back, man. How do you work it in all
1:58:09
Speaker 2: these radio interviews throughout the week?
1:58:12
Speaker 5: You know, I don't sleep much, Brian. That's part of
1:58:15
Speaker 5: the secret formula. But yeah, I just I love talking
1:58:18
Speaker 5: with folks and and addressing the important issues, man. But
1:58:21
Speaker 5: it's always an honor and a pleasure to be here
1:58:23
Speaker 5: with you and Joe. So thank you Love having you on, man.
1:58:26
Speaker 5: Appreciate your insights. And, of course, I do rely on
1:58:28
Speaker 5: your website, theohiopressnetwork.com. I do on many websites. I just
1:58:31
Speaker 5: like to give props to the folks wondering where I
1:58:33
Speaker 5: get my information. But we get to talk to you
1:58:35
Speaker 5: about it real time now. And let us address, and
1:58:38
Speaker 5: this is the problem with, I guess, every politician faces this,
1:58:42
Speaker 5: smear campaigns. Political action committees, most notably, are notorious for
1:58:46
Speaker 5: just pushing the envelope as far as possible between truth
1:58:49
Speaker 5: and the lies, extrapolating sound bites from without context. We
1:58:53
Speaker 5: all know the same old story. And I'll talk to
1:58:56
Speaker 5: people all the time. How come Vivek Ramaswamy in this
1:58:59
Speaker 5: particular case doesn't have a commercial refuting fill-in-the-blank allegation that's
1:59:05
Speaker 5: running rampant on Internet or on television? Well, it takes
1:59:07
Speaker 5: a while to produce spots. Which ones are you going
1:59:09
Speaker 5: to pick from among the seemingly unlimited number of lies
1:59:12
Speaker 5: that are being spread out there? It's a real challenge
1:59:15
Speaker 5: for a politician. Yeah, it really is. And, you know,
1:59:19
Speaker 5: part of the issue too, Brian, is once in a while–
1:59:24
Speaker 5: if you give attention to something, it's like feeding a
1:59:28
Speaker 5: fire oxygen. And so I think a lot of times
1:59:31
Speaker 5: they go, you know, do I want to deal with,
1:59:32
Speaker 5: because some of it, let's be really frank, some of
1:59:35
Speaker 5: it is pretty racist sounding and slavery. One of those,
1:59:38
Speaker 5: the anchor baby one that keeps coming up.
1:59:41
Speaker 2: Over and over again.
1:59:41
Speaker 5: I addressed that yesterday. But the one that is really
1:59:48
Speaker 5: intriguing to me, if you don't mind, I think it
1:59:50
Speaker 5: would be interesting. I mean, we can go back and
1:59:53
Speaker 5: talk about the claim that he was basically part of
1:59:57
Speaker 5: the lockdown brigade and part of one of DeWine's official
2:00:01
Speaker 5: committees and that he was stricter than Amy Acton regarding COVID.
2:00:06
Speaker 5: Those are kind of bunk. But the one that I
2:00:09
Speaker 5: think has gotten some legs with even in the Republican
2:00:14
Speaker 5: circles is this claim that he created an Alzheimer's drug
2:00:21
Speaker 5: and performed some sort of Pump and Dump, you've probably
2:00:24
Speaker 5: heard that one. So if you don't mind, let's talk
2:00:27
Speaker 5: about that one a little bit, and then we can
2:00:28
Speaker 5: address some of the others if you'd like.
2:00:30
Speaker 2: Let's call that a tease for the next segment, Jack Windsor,
2:00:32
Speaker 2: because it's 8.35. I'll take a quick break. We'll bring
2:00:35
Speaker 2: you back and talk about the Pump and Dump. That
2:00:37
Speaker 2: one rubs me really the wrong way, Jack, for all
2:00:39
Speaker 2: the reasons that you know and so much more. But
2:00:40
Speaker 2: we'll talk about some of the... 8.38 at 55 KRC,
2:00:45
Speaker 2: the talk station. It's Friday, and a happy one to you.
2:00:48
Speaker 2: Jack Windsor from theihopressnetwork.com, getting ready to break down this
2:00:51
Speaker 2: whole anti-Vivek Ramaswamy lie campaign. He's going to talk about
2:00:55
Speaker 2: several of them that are swirling on the internet as
2:00:57
Speaker 2: well as in some of these political action committee ads.
2:00:59
Speaker 2: But yeah, the pump and dump. Jack, I'm going to
2:01:01
Speaker 2: give my listeners the reality on that one.
2:01:05
Speaker 5: Yeah, so the claim is, and you've probably seen the commercial,
2:01:08
Speaker 5: that he got rich off a failed Alzheimer's drug. But
2:01:12
Speaker 5: when you actually look at the record, the drug is
2:01:15
Speaker 5: called Interpidine, and it actually failed in phase three of
2:01:21
Speaker 5: trials back in September 2017. And the company killed the
2:01:26
Speaker 5: program in January of 2018. Now, those dates are important.
2:01:30
Speaker 5: It never went to market. That's the key thing, Brian.
2:01:34
Speaker 5: Oftentimes we hear he created this drug. It defrauded Alzheimer's families.
2:01:38
Speaker 5: It never even got out of legitimate testing. So not
2:01:41
Speaker 5: one patient ever bought it. Not one Alzheimer's family ever
2:01:44
Speaker 5: paid a dime for it. And by the way, I
2:01:47
Speaker 5: studied finance and pump and dump is actually a real
2:01:50
Speaker 5: financial crime, usually prosecuted by Securities and Exchange Commission or
2:01:54
Speaker 5: Department of Justice. There's no such thing that he's been
2:01:58
Speaker 5: prosecuted for. So, you know, a pump and dump means
2:02:02
Speaker 5: that you hype the stock and you dump the shares
2:02:04
Speaker 5: before they crash. And, you know, the New York Times
2:02:08
Speaker 5: actually reviewed Ramaswamy's tax returns and they found that he
2:02:12
Speaker 5: sold his shares in twenty fifteen. two years before the
2:02:16
Speaker 5: trial results came in. And the parent company is called Roivant.
2:02:22
Speaker 5: And he sold his shares to an investment firm called
2:02:25
Speaker 5: Viking Global as part of bringing in what he called
2:02:28
Speaker 5: institutional partners. And he said, you know, we were forced
2:02:30
Speaker 5: to sell. Yet in some ways, it's a regret because
2:02:34
Speaker 5: the shares would have been more valuable today if they
2:02:37
Speaker 5: hadn't been sold. And he held his Roivant stake through
2:02:40
Speaker 5: 2017 in that crash, and took those losses with everybody else.
2:02:45
Speaker 5: And Roivant companies, this is the other important part, they
2:02:49
Speaker 5: don't ever talk about this, went on to put real
2:02:51
Speaker 5: medicine in patients' hands. There's a drug called OrgoVix, an
2:02:55
Speaker 5: FDA-approved drug in 2020 for advanced prostate cancer. There's Mifembri,
2:03:02
Speaker 5: which was approved in May of 2021 for women with
2:03:06
Speaker 5: uterine fibroids. And then the Japanese pharmaceutical giant, Sumitoma, paid
2:03:12
Speaker 5: $ 3 billion in 2020 for five of Roivant's drug programs.
2:03:17
Speaker 5: And I remind people all the time, Vivek did something
2:03:19
Speaker 5: real creative and innovative here. If you manufacture drugs, it's
2:03:23
Speaker 5: a long process to develop and test and get to market.
2:03:27
Speaker 5: What he was able to do was identify drugs that
2:03:30
Speaker 5: maybe failed in a test before or didn't have the
2:03:33
Speaker 5: backing that they needed. And he shortened the cycle, the
2:03:37
Speaker 5: financial cost and timeline to bring them to market, which
2:03:40
Speaker 5: is a really innovative way to think And so they've
2:03:42
Speaker 5: taken this one drug that failed in tests and lied
2:03:45
Speaker 5: about it to voters. Really grotesque.
2:03:48
Speaker 2: It is. And let's face it, you know, stage three
2:03:50
Speaker 2: clinical trials is as far as it went because it
2:03:52
Speaker 2: wasn't working. That's the point of a clinical trial. And
2:03:56
Speaker 2: you aren't forced to do that. If you enter into
2:03:59
Speaker 2: one of those trials, it's because you think, well, you
2:04:01
Speaker 2: know what? I'm either out of options elsewhere and this
2:04:03
Speaker 2: is my last best chance to solve the problem. Or
2:04:06
Speaker 2: you want to be on what you hope is the
2:04:07
Speaker 2: cutting edge of medicine to get the best possible drugs.
2:04:11
Speaker 2: But It's got to be tried. And not all stage
2:04:14
Speaker 2: three trials result in success. This just happens to be
2:04:17
Speaker 2: one of them. And, of course, you can't ignore the timing.
2:04:20
Speaker 2: He didn't own the damn stock anymore, Jack. I mean,
2:04:22
Speaker 2: this shouldn't even be a topic of conversation.
2:04:25
Speaker 4: No.
2:04:26
Speaker 5: And, in fact, I'm going to kind of sweep this
2:04:29
Speaker 5: one under this rug, too, because I don't even think
2:04:31
Speaker 5: that it deserves talking about, but I will address it.
2:04:35
Speaker 5: You've also heard, because Amy Acton did this when Ohio
2:04:38
Speaker 5: State played Texas, she created a short video, put it
2:04:42
Speaker 5: out on social media, did the hook them horns, you know,
2:04:45
Speaker 5: upside down and really tried to criticize Vivek Ramaswamy because
2:04:48
Speaker 5: the rumor is that he actually did create a company
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Speaker 5: called Strive Financial. And I'll tell you why that's important
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Speaker 5: in just a minute. But he stepped down as its CEO. Remember,
2:04:59
Speaker 5: he ran for president in 2024. He was in that
2:05:02
Speaker 5: primary election. And when he was running, he stepped down. Well,
2:05:07
Speaker 5: the CEO that took over Strive Asset decided to move
2:05:10
Speaker 5: it to Texas. It was not Vivek Ramaswamy's decision. But again,
2:05:14
Speaker 5: they've lied and they would have you believe that he
2:05:16
Speaker 5: was in the position of leadership to move that company.
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Speaker 5: Another just blatantly false rumor that if he just did
2:05:23
Speaker 5: a little bit of fact checking, you could figure out
2:05:25
Speaker 5: was a lie.
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Speaker 2: And the other one, Cincinnati native Vivek Ramaswamy and his
2:05:28
Speaker 2: family that he's an anchor baby.
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Speaker 5: You know, I got to watch my language here. This
2:05:34
Speaker 5: one really upsets me. I don't know that I identify
2:05:37
Speaker 5: with a party. I'm more conservative, probably more libertarian. But
2:05:41
Speaker 5: I look at the Republican Party and I go, that's
2:05:43
Speaker 5: the party that was founded by people who wanted to
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Speaker 5: free the slaves. So why are we having this discussion
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Speaker 5: not only on the left, but I'm hearing people on
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Speaker 5: the right do this. It's gross, makes me angry. Vivek
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Speaker 5: Ramaswamy was born August 9th, 1985 at a hospital in Cincinnati, Ohio,
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Speaker 5: to parents who came here legally from India. His dad,
2:06:02
Speaker 5: an engineer at General Electric in Evandale. His mother was
2:06:06
Speaker 5: a geriatric psychiatrist who treated Ohio seniors. He's natural born
2:06:10
Speaker 5: and he's an American citizen under the 14th Amendment, has
2:06:13
Speaker 5: the same, you know, citizenship and right as every listener
2:06:17
Speaker 5: born in either Riverside Grant Hospital or Good Sam. It's
2:06:21
Speaker 5: just insane.
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Speaker 3: It is.
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Speaker 2: And I've addressed the racist in the Republican Party who
2:06:26
Speaker 2: say they won't vote for him because he's a man
2:06:27
Speaker 2: of color, which just I can't believe that actually people
2:06:30
Speaker 2: have said that out loud in my presence. Maybe not
2:06:33
Speaker 2: quoting it that directly, but that is literally what I
2:06:36
Speaker 2: hear when they talk about it that long in his lines.
2:06:38
Speaker 2: And then, you know, quite often people of different religions,
2:06:41
Speaker 2: he's Hindu. And Brian Thomas says, so what? We don't
2:06:45
Speaker 2: live in a theocracy. His religion should not matter a whit.
2:06:47
Speaker 2: What is he campaigning on? What does his background show?
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Speaker 2: Listen to his passion for this state. And if you
2:06:54
Speaker 2: want to dive into the tenets of Hindu religion, I
2:06:56
Speaker 2: don't think you have to worry about, like, terrorism coming
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Speaker 2: out of nowhere. He is just a man of faith
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Speaker 2: that happens to be a different religion. it's what what's
2:07:04
Speaker 2: the problem with that i mean we're going back to
2:07:05
Speaker 2: the kennedy days we were worried about electing a catholic
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Speaker 2: to the highest office of the land how did that
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Speaker 2: turn out i mean he got assassinated but by all
2:07:12
Speaker 2: accounts you know yeah the pope wasn't running the country.
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Speaker 5: So so there's there's probably a few angles we could
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Speaker 5: talk about here uh number one i'll just say this
2:07:23
Speaker 5: joe biden identified as a catholic.
2:07:26
Speaker 2: Okay he didn't walk the walk though did he jack Right.
2:07:30
Speaker 5: Words matter less to me and affiliation matters less to
2:07:33
Speaker 5: me than what direction you're walking, whether you say what
2:07:36
Speaker 5: you're going to do and you do what you say. And,
2:07:39
Speaker 5: and real quick sidebar, Vivek Ramaswamy said, I'm going to
2:07:42
Speaker 5: work on getting this gas tax thing done. He got
2:07:45
Speaker 5: it done. He lobbied the governor. He lobbied two state
2:07:48
Speaker 5: house leaders, got it over the finish line. He's not
2:07:50
Speaker 5: even the governor. So when he says he's going to
2:07:52
Speaker 5: do something, he does it. That matters to me, but
2:07:55
Speaker 5: let's address the spiritual issue, right? And I dealt with
2:07:59
Speaker 5: this yesterday with somebody on social media who was saying,
2:08:02
Speaker 5: he's not a Christian. I can't vote for him. I said, well,
2:08:05
Speaker 5: read your Bible. Look for the name Nebuchadnezzar. Look for
2:08:08
Speaker 5: the name Darius. Over history, God has used people who
2:08:13
Speaker 5: were not necessarily believers, but they were not hostile toward
2:08:17
Speaker 5: God's people. And in some instances, those things worked out
2:08:20
Speaker 5: really well for the believers. And then I remind them
2:08:23
Speaker 5: a guy that they like to quote a lot by
2:08:24
Speaker 5: the name of Paul was actually a Christian killer. He
2:08:27
Speaker 5: hated Christians. He was out killing them. And then God
2:08:30
Speaker 5: took the scales from his eyes, uh, on the road
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Speaker 5: to Damascus and the rest is history. So, uh, but,
2:08:35
Speaker 5: but then the other part is if we're, if we
2:08:37
Speaker 5: are the party talking to Republicans that, that wants to
2:08:41
Speaker 5: honor the constitution and rule of law, you can't celebrate
2:08:45
Speaker 5: religious liberty as a Christian. and then not give that
2:08:49
Speaker 5: same right to a Hindu or somebody else. Again, it
2:08:52
Speaker 5: comes down to policy choices in my book. And I'm admittedly, Brian,
2:08:56
Speaker 5: deeply spiritual. I love the Lord. I do have a faith,
2:08:59
Speaker 5: but it's not driving my decision in this race beyond
2:09:03
Speaker 5: the fact that Amy Acton is hostile to what I
2:09:06
Speaker 5: believe in. Vivek Ramaswamy is not and has certainly better
2:09:09
Speaker 5: policy positions.
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Speaker 2: Beautifully stated and boiled down perfectly. Jack wins. It's what
2:09:13
Speaker 2: we've come to expect from you. That's why you're so
2:09:14
Speaker 2: damn popular. TheOhioPressNetwork.com. We're going to dive on into, I guess,
2:09:19
Speaker 2: why we shouldn't vote for Allison Russo for Secretary of State.
2:09:23
Speaker 2: That'll be next. Don't go away with Jack Windsor.
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Speaker 7: 55KRC, the talk station.
2:09:29
Speaker 2: It is 8.50 at 55KRC, the talk station. Happy Friday.
2:09:34
Speaker 2: Got Smitherman on Monday, Monday, Monday. And Eric Conroy is
2:09:37
Speaker 2: going to join the program on Monday as well. Vote
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Speaker 2: Conroy and don't vote Russo, says Jack Windsor from the
2:09:41
Speaker 2: Ohio Press Network for this segment. Why aren't we voting
2:09:45
Speaker 2: for Alison Russo other than we have a better candidate
2:09:47
Speaker 2: on the Republican side of the ledger, Jack?
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Speaker 5: Well, Brian, she's the Democrat who wants to count Ohio's votes,
2:09:56
Speaker 5: but she works for a beltway firm that the Justice
2:09:59
Speaker 5: Department says couldn't count $ 300 million. And that's not even
2:10:04
Speaker 5: her first mess. Alison Russo has been listed as a
2:10:09
Speaker 5: research director since 2010. at a company called Kennel & Associates,
2:10:14
Speaker 5: a healthcare consulting firm in Falls Church, Virginia. In 2023,
2:10:18
Speaker 5: the U.S. Justice Department settled with Kennel under the False
2:10:23
Speaker 5: Claims Act. The DOJ alleged the firm's payment formula overpaid
2:10:28
Speaker 5: six military family health plans by more than $ 300 million
2:10:31
Speaker 5: between 2008-2012, and the firm didn't tell the government about
2:10:32
Speaker 5: its own error. It's a huge issue. Uh, if you're
2:10:41
Speaker 5: going to be secretary of state, uh, not only do
2:10:44
Speaker 5: you have to count, you have to validate and communicate
2:10:48
Speaker 5: clearly and transparently with the public. The firm didn't do that. And, uh,
2:10:53
Speaker 5: Russo still works there, according to my understanding in a
2:10:56
Speaker 5: leadership role. Now, Robert Sprague, her Republican competitor, uh, his
2:11:01
Speaker 5: campaign really started shining a light on this. And I
2:11:04
Speaker 5: think they have an ad out on this. Um, And
2:11:08
Speaker 5: then you may go, okay, so that's a little bit problematic.
2:11:11
Speaker 5: She is currently a state representative. She served as the
2:11:15
Speaker 5: Ohio House Minority Leader until I want to say 2025.
2:11:20
Speaker 5: She stepped down, which she was in the process of
2:11:23
Speaker 5: prepping for a statewide run, which is what she's doing now.
2:11:26
Speaker 5: But in that leadership role, she had some issues with
2:11:29
Speaker 5: people in her own party. A guy by the name
2:11:32
Speaker 5: of Elliott Forehand, a state representative, came on my show.
2:11:35
Speaker 5: It's been a couple of years ago now. and claimed
2:11:38
Speaker 5: that he was harassed, cajoled, and that if he didn't
2:11:41
Speaker 5: march in lockstep with Alison Russo and the Democrats, that
2:11:44
Speaker 5: he lost leadership positions, lost opportunities, kicked off committees, kept
2:11:50
Speaker 5: out of the communication loop. So, you know, the party
2:11:53
Speaker 5: that says they don't want kings had a minority leader
2:11:56
Speaker 5: in the Ohio House that ruled with an iron fist,
2:11:58
Speaker 5: if you will.
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Speaker 9: Wow.
2:12:00
Speaker 2: And pivoting back to this Kennel Company, the Veterans Health
2:12:04
Speaker 2: Care Benefit shenanigans, $ 300 million worth, is that a was
2:12:07
Speaker 2: that a criminal investigation? Is this still pending? I guess
2:12:11
Speaker 2: it sounds like it should be criminal. If they were,
2:12:14
Speaker 2: if they know they inappropriately dealt with this $ 300 million
2:12:17
Speaker 2: and had an obligation or duty to disclose and they
2:12:19
Speaker 2: didn't do it, that screams shenanigans, if you know what
2:12:22
Speaker 2: I mean, Jack.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
2:12:24
Speaker 5: So we're still diving into that a little bit. I
2:12:26
Speaker 5: will tell you this. It's interesting. We use a few
2:12:29
Speaker 5: systems to do some research and some of them have
2:12:32
Speaker 5: stopped allowing me to gather information. So I'm wondering if
2:12:35
Speaker 5: it might be an ongoing investigation, Brian. There still may
2:12:39
Speaker 5: be more here behind the curtain.
2:12:42
Speaker 2: Well, when the information's out there, you're going to find
2:12:45
Speaker 2: it at the Ohio Press Network. Just tune in and
2:12:46
Speaker 2: listen to Jack about 19 times during the week in
2:12:49
Speaker 2: the various radio programs he's on, including here every Friday
2:12:52
Speaker 2: at 830 at 55.
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Speaker 5: Brian, are you saying I get around? I'm sorry, man.
2:12:56
Speaker 2: No, I'm not. I just thought, you know, for a
2:12:59
Speaker 2: moment in time, maybe it's just Jack and I enjoying
2:13:02
Speaker 2: a special relationship. It's unique in Jack's busy times working
2:13:05
Speaker 2: on The Epic Times. But no, you're on LW. You're
2:13:08
Speaker 2: on other radio stations. Like, okay, fine.
2:13:11
Speaker 5: But Brian, this is the only place I am every week.
2:13:13
Speaker 5: I covet this Friday spot, man. You and I have
2:13:16
Speaker 5: something special.
2:13:17
Speaker 3: We do.
2:13:18
Speaker 2: That's why I love having you on. Jack Windsor, theahopressnetwork.com.
2:13:21
Speaker 2: We'll do this again next Friday, won't we, Jack?
2:13:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, we will. Yes, sir.
2:13:25
Speaker 2: Have a great week. Best of health to you, man.
2:13:27
Speaker 2: Thanks again for your great insight. Folks, if you didn't
2:13:30
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