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2/26/26: Trump Wants Israel To Start Iran War, Cuba Shoots 4 Invaders, AI Pushes Nuclear War · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 2: How you doing doing good? Lots to get to this morning.
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  Speaker 2: We've got theoretically anyway, diplomacy happening in Geneva on the
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  Speaker 2: weird things developing with regard to Cuba. I'm hoping you
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  Speaker 2: can explain that to me. We have AI pushing for
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  Speaker 2: nuclear war, so definitely keeping our eye on that one
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  Speaker 2: and dark money that's moving around there as well. And
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  Speaker 2: part of that dark money you know situation. She's having
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of money spent against her. Ryan, just give
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  Speaker 2: a little preview of that one and what's going on
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  Speaker 2: why her race in particular is so interesting.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, her election is this coming Tuesday in North Carolina
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  Speaker 4: and it's a rematch from twenty twenty two where she
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  Speaker 4: lost by about nine points to this candidate, Valerie Fushi,
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  Speaker 4: who's now the incumbent, but APAC had to spend more
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  Speaker 4: than two million dollars beating her. Then she's now a
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  Speaker 4: county commissioner. It looked like Nida was going to beat
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  Speaker 4: her fairly easily going into this rematch because she's out,
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  Speaker 4: she's outraised Fushi, and the district was redrawn a little
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  Speaker 4: bit to make it even more progressive. Fushi had even
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  Speaker 4: though she got all this a PAC money, she started
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  Speaker 4: criticizing a pack, so APAC wasn't spending for her. All
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  Speaker 4: of a sudden in the last like ten days of
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  Speaker 4: the race, millions of dollars of AI money. And also
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  Speaker 4: what we can report today is a PAC money is
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  Speaker 4: flooding into the district. This comes after value Fushi said
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  Speaker 4: she would not take.
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  Speaker 3: Any a PAC money.
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  Speaker 4: But they found they found a new kind of secret
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  Speaker 4: vehicle to move it into the district. See we're going
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  Speaker 4: we'll keep that as a teaser. You got to stick
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  Speaker 4: around and find out how they did this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you definitely will want to know because it's
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  Speaker 2: with that, let's go ahead and get into questions of
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  Speaker 2: war and peace. As I said before, there is at
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  Speaker 2: least theoretical diplomacy going on in Geneva today. Steve Witkoff
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  Speaker 2: and Jared Kushner are there. Oman is the intermediary. They
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  Speaker 2: are supposed to be meeting with the Iranians and trying
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  Speaker 2: to strike some sort of a deal. I think it
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  Speaker 2: is an open question all around how serious this administration
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  Speaker 2: is about that diplomacy, but at least theoretically there could
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  Speaker 2: be some kind of an off ramp. We're all reading
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  Speaker 2: the tea leaves here from various administration officials about how
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  Speaker 2: they are currently thinking about whether or not we will
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  Speaker 2: be going to war with Iran. So let's go ahead
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  Speaker 2: and take a listen to the Vice President of the
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  Speaker 2: United States, JD. Vance on the threat that Iron postes.
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  Speaker 5: Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. If they try to
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  Speaker 5: rebuild the nuclear weapon, that causes problems for US, And
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  Speaker 5: in fact, we've seen evidence that.
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  Speaker 3: They have tried to do exactly that.
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  Speaker 5: So the President sending those negotiators to try to address
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  Speaker 5: that problem. As the President has said repeatedly, he wants
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  Speaker 5: to address that problem diplomatically, but of course the President
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  Speaker 5: has other options as well.
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  Speaker 2: Ryan, anything significant that you glean from those comments.
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  Speaker 4: Just that they've kind of lost even the pretense of
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  Speaker 4: having any respect for the public. You know, in June
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  Speaker 4: they said they completely obliterated the nuclear program, but a
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  Speaker 4: week ago Whitkapf went on TV and said that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: they're now weeks away from a bomb.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, and now.
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  Speaker 4: Jade Vance is saying, well, Okay, yes we obliterated it,
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  Speaker 4: and yes there's no instead they're doing any enrichment or
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  Speaker 4: moving towards the bomb. But we have evidence that they're
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  Speaker 4: thinking about it. It's like, what like stop, but but
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  Speaker 4: now here I am being a hypocrite because I had
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  Speaker 4: said that I didn't like the fact that they weren't
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  Speaker 4: even trying to lie us into war. So at least
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  Speaker 4: now they're trying to lie us into war. So yes,
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  Speaker 4: I apologize. It's something, it's something.
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  Speaker 2: At least it's a low bar. It's a pretty low bar're.
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  Speaker 4: At least lying to us. Finally, before they were just like,
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  Speaker 4: we're going to do it.
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  Speaker 2: About we don't really care what you think, Like, we're
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  Speaker 2: not even we're going to make up a variety. We
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  Speaker 2: really care about the Iranian protesters, Okay, sure, yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: real great beacons of human rights here from this administration,
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  Speaker 2: deep concern for those sorts of principles and values. Marco
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  Speaker 2: Rubio kind of sounding similar notes about, you know, how
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  Speaker 2: Iran represents some grave threat to the American public. No
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  Speaker 2: one serious would agree with that whatsoever. But in any case,
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  Speaker 2: here's the Secretary of State, who's supposed to be a
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  Speaker 2: serious person saying exactly that. Let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 6: I think tomorrow Steve and Jarrett will be there. I
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  Speaker 6: think they're on their way there now. Actually, and the
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  Speaker 6: President was very clear last night that he always prefers
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  Speaker 6: to plumbing. After their nuclear program was obliterated, they were
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  Speaker 6: told not to try to restart it, and here they are.
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  Speaker 6: You can see them always trying to rebuild elements of it.
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  Speaker 6: They're not enriching right now, but they're trying to get
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  Speaker 6: to the point where they ultimately can. The other thing
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  Speaker 6: I would point you to, however, is that Iran possesses
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  Speaker 6: a very large number of ballistic missiles, particularly short range
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  Speaker 6: ballistic missiles that threaten the United States and our bases
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  Speaker 6: in the region and our partners in the region, and
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  Speaker 6: all of our basses in the UAE and Qatar in Bahrain.
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  Speaker 6: And they also possess naval assets that threaten shipping and
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  Speaker 6: try to threaten the US Navy. So I want to
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  Speaker 6: be understand that. And beyond just a nuclear program, they
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  Speaker 6: possess these conventional weapons that are solely designed to attack
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  Speaker 6: America and attack Americans if they so choose to do so.
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  Speaker 2: And that language right there, Ryan is really terrible because
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  Speaker 2: now he's using not only you know, okay, So if
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  Speaker 2: if the focus was really on nuclear weapons, there's a
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  Speaker 2: deal that could be done. We know that because there
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  Speaker 2: already was a deal that was done previously that we
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  Speaker 2: walked away from, So that would be extremely doable. But
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  Speaker 2: when you start throwing these other things into the mix.
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  Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, they have ballistic missiles. This
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  Speaker 2: is the first time I've heard this one. By the way,
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  Speaker 2: they have naval assets of ships. What they're they're not
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  Speaker 2: allowed to have any of that. I mean, no sane
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  Speaker 2: government would give up all of their ability to defend
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  Speaker 2: themselves in any situation, let alone when they have this
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  Speaker 2: rogue nuclear power, superpower backed regime in the region that
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  Speaker 2: is constantly trying to destroy them. So it's when you
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  Speaker 2: start hearing that language that it becomes very dispiriting and
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  Speaker 2: hard to imagine how we avoid some sort of conflict.
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  Speaker 4: It's like they have these magical devices that float on
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  Speaker 4: top of water and we just can't. We can't allow this,
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  Speaker 4: We can't can't have this. They're threatening shit, they're threatening ships.
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  Speaker 4: Now the irony there is that clearly he understands the
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  Speaker 4: politics and in his mind he's saying, they have these
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  Speaker 4: ballistic missiles that can threaten Israel, Like that's what he's
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  Speaker 4: saying in his mind.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, our partners in the region that's Israel.
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  Speaker 3: But then he doesn't go there.
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  Speaker 4: He says, right, he leads with our bases, our American bases. Well,
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  Speaker 4: a couple of things. One, why do we have American
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  Speaker 4: bases all over the world? And does that mean, like
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  Speaker 4: so if we put it an American base near a country,
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  Speaker 4: that country has to disarm itself. That's kind of an
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  Speaker 4: amusing kind of proposition for the world.
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  Speaker 2: But they probably think about it that way.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, but the restrictions that it particularly Israel is
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  Speaker 4: pushing for and that we are advocating for as a
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  Speaker 4: result of that, would still allow them.
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  Speaker 3: To hit American bases.
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  Speaker 4: Like what we are doing is we're saying, we want
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  Speaker 4: your ballistic missile restrictions such that you cannot attack Israel,
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  Speaker 4: but our basin cutters right by Iran, the other bases
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  Speaker 4: in Iraq, et cetera very much closer to Iran, And
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  Speaker 4: so the deal that Israel is pushing on them would
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  Speaker 4: still allow Iranian ballistic missiles to hit American basis, which
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  Speaker 4: is I mean, just unpack that in your mind for
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  Speaker 4: a second. It's incredible. Not that anybody is remotely confused
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  Speaker 4: about this anymore, but if they are just just kind
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  Speaker 4: of sit with that one for a second.
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  Speaker 2: I do want to say I was listening to John
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  Speaker 2: Mierscheimer this morning in an interview with Glenn Deson, and
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  Speaker 2: he actually was somewhat optimistic based on Trump's comments in
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  Speaker 2: the State of the Union because he didn't talk about,
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  Speaker 2: oh my god, the naval assets and the ballistic missiles,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera. He more or less confined his remarks to
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  Speaker 2: just nuclear weapons, and so he thought there was a
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  Speaker 2: possibility that maybe they would find some sort of a
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  Speaker 2: face saving compromise and walk away from this thing because
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  Speaker 2: the problem, I mean, the problems are abundant. The politically,
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  Speaker 2: it's a disaster, and they seem to know that, in fact,
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  Speaker 2: this is insane. We can put a three up on
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  Speaker 2: the screen. Somebody is leaking to Politico that they believe
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  Speaker 2: the politics are better if Israel strikes iron first. And
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  Speaker 2: here's the logic, which is the most cynical thing you
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  Speaker 2: can possibly imagine. They're like, all right, well, if Israel
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  Speaker 2: hits Iran, Iran is likely to strike back and hit us,
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  Speaker 2: and then maybe the American people can be more cajoled
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  Speaker 2: and more persuaded to directly attack Iran so effectively They're like,
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  Speaker 2: we want to jeopardize the lives and the safety of
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  Speaker 2: some American service members in the region in service of
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  Speaker 2: persuading the American public that we have to go to war.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, to go back to my point about
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  Speaker 2: the argument, which I'm not sure I really buy, but
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  Speaker 2: I want to lay out there the argument that they
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  Speaker 2: may actually walk away from this thing, that we may see,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a much welcome and desired taco on this situation.
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  Speaker 2: Is I perceive that this leak, because it is such
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  Speaker 2: a sort of gross reasoning, must be coming from someone
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  Speaker 2: inside the administration who does not want this thing to
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  Speaker 2: go forward. We also know that General Kanan others on
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  Speaker 2: the military side have been worn, Hey, we really don't
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  Speaker 2: have great military options here. We're already significantly depleted. Even
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  Speaker 2: with this vast armada that we've amassed in the region,
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  Speaker 2: We've only got maybe like seven to ten days of firepower.
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  Speaker 2: The Iranians are going to hit back hard. It's not
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  Speaker 2: going to be a little, you know, choreographed return strike
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  Speaker 2: the way that it has been in previous in previous instances.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, what are you even really trying
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  Speaker 2: to accomplish, Because this is very unlikely to accomplish any
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  Speaker 2: of your purported aims. So Trump, you know, I think
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  Speaker 2: one thing you can say about him is he has
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  Speaker 2: learned one lesson from Iraq, which is not like, don't
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  Speaker 2: go and throw your weight around the world, but it's like,
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  Speaker 2: don't get dragged in boots on the ground to these long,
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  Speaker 2: forever wars. And so perhaps he's nervous. Perhaps he's nervous
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  Speaker 2: that this could in fact spiral into something that is
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  Speaker 2: more out of control and does not allow him to
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  Speaker 2: declare some quick and easy victory the way that he
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  Speaker 2: likes to do. I mean, that is his preferred option
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  Speaker 2: for how to use the military, and there isn't a great,
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  Speaker 2: you know, tactical path to him accomplishing the you know,
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  Speaker 2: spectacular military victory mission accomplished moment.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that's right. I think that is
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  Speaker 3: what he's thinking.
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  Speaker 4: Jeremy it over drops that reported that you know, he's
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  Speaker 4: been saying privately and in over office meetings and meetings
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  Speaker 4: with his intelligence community advisors that yes, like he very
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  Speaker 4: much wants to do this and wants to be the
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  Speaker 4: guy that does this, but he keeps asking like, what
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  Speaker 4: what kind of chaos is it going to produce when
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  Speaker 4: will it die down? Will it still be going by
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  Speaker 4: the midterms. That's a key question that that he has
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  Speaker 4: and so far, h he hasn't, as far as we
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  Speaker 4: can tell, gotten a satisfactory answer of like, Okay, we're
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  Speaker 4: gonna completely empty the clip on Iran and we're going
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  Speaker 4: to you know, break the back of the regime, uh
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  Speaker 4: and not and they won't they won't be able to
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  Speaker 4: govern the place anymore. And then we'll make and who
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  Speaker 4: knows what comes next. And so he's like, well, what
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  Speaker 4: comes next and what does that look like? And so
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  Speaker 4: far he hasn't gotten anything that because he you know,
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  Speaker 4: previously he's been asking a lot, you know, about Libya,
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  Speaker 4: Like he's he uses Libya as an example of something
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  Speaker 4: that went wrong and he doesn't want a Libya situation.
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  Speaker 4: And that's very hard for kind of US policymakers because
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  Speaker 4: they're like, you think Libya is bad, weird because like
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  Speaker 4: Trump in that sense is more of a normal person,
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  Speaker 4: because Libya is bad, like it's terrible, it's a it's
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  Speaker 4: a failed state. You know, many hundreds of thousands of
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  Speaker 4: people you know, suffering killed. He sees that as a
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  Speaker 4: negative for American policymakers. They're like, well, now that peace
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  Speaker 4: has been taken off the chessboard, they're no longer a threat,
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  Speaker 4: you know, to Israel.
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  Speaker 3: They are cut off.
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  Speaker 4: He is no longer in power, So who cares, like
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  Speaker 4: what's going on now? And so that that has presented
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  Speaker 4: a bit of an analytical problem for kind of his
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  Speaker 4: his advisors, because they're like, oh, so he want but
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  Speaker 4: he doesn't want to do nation building, but he doesn't
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  Speaker 4: want them to be chaos, but he wants to regime gone. Hmmm,
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  Speaker 4: like what's what's left here? And so so I think
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  Speaker 4: what he ends up deciding to do here will be
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  Speaker 4: will suggest whether or not he's actually calling the shots,
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  Speaker 4: because I think if he could, like he doesn't. He
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  Speaker 4: sees this as a political you know, albatross or a
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  Speaker 4: real political problem for him if he does this. But
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  Speaker 4: if he does it, it means really he got pressured
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  Speaker 4: into it and he couldn't He couldn't say no, which
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  Speaker 4: is a kind of which I might be where we
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  Speaker 4: wind up. You know, the Iranian he said on his
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  Speaker 4: speech Tuesday night, you know they won't say the magic words,
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  Speaker 4: we will not build a bomb. They said those words.
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  Speaker 4: Today they're meeting in Geneva again today they will reiterate that,
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  Speaker 4: no question about it. They will be very clear, and
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  Speaker 4: they're willing to go further than before, like perhaps in definitely.
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  Speaker 3: Delay in Richmond.
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  Speaker 4: One thing that proposing is like, we will not stockpile
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  Speaker 4: any enriched material. In other words, we have a civilian
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  Speaker 4: nuclear program, so obviously we need to enrich some uranium
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  Speaker 4: so that we can keep the program operational, but we
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  Speaker 4: will only enrich as much as we need. If we
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  Speaker 4: have any extra, we will not store it. That would
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  Speaker 4: be far and away beyond what Carrie and Obama were
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  Speaker 4: able to get out of the Iranians. So that feels
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  Speaker 4: like the kind of thing Trump would.
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  Speaker 3: Like to take. So if he doesn't take it, it
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  Speaker 3: really tells you who's in charge.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think another problem here is that
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  Speaker 2: we're not dealing with sophisticated like we are not dealing
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  Speaker 2: with sophisticated experts when it comes to nuclear weapons. In
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  Speaker 2: Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner and Sacer's pointing, the sound
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  Speaker 2: is absolutely true. I mean, under the Obama administration, when
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  Speaker 2: the JCPOA was negotiated, they painstakingly went through this and
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  Speaker 2: you know understood all of the science of it, and
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  Speaker 2: it was extraordinarily detailed, and so there's a risk when
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  Speaker 2: you get people who are non experts involved, who you know,
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  Speaker 2: may not even be able to fully understand the compromises
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  Speaker 2: that Iran is offering and the ways in which it's vastly,
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  Speaker 2: you know, going way further than what Obama was able
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  Speaker 2: to achieve. I wanted to come back to your point
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  Speaker 2: about we're going to learn something about the pressure that
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  Speaker 2: Trump is under and whether or not he's really in
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  Speaker 2: charge or not. I just want to underscore that because
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  Speaker 2: basically the only country that really wants this is Israel,
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  Speaker 2: and so you know how powerful is the lobby, right,
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  Speaker 2: And I think it will also tell us something about
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Trump's like what he's implicated in terms of the Epstein files.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: You know, I missed this, but about a year ago
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: there was times of Israel post from like you know,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: someone who regularly blogs from them for them, and they
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: were directly threatening like, oh, you crossed Israel. Guess what
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: the Epstein files are back at the in the news,
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: maybe you should learn something about that. It's like, Wow,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: that is incredible. I don't know how I missed that
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: at the time. But for that to just be said
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: outright in the times of Israel was like, okay, And
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: so you know, I don't think we should I don't
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: think we should erase that element of things either, because
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: you have talked before about the way that the Israelis
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: used the Monica Lewinsky affair against Clinton to try to
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: you know, coercive in the context of negotiations previously, like
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: they're not above it. And from the Israeli perspective, obviously
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: they want to be the sole power in the region
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: and be able to throw their weight around. They certainly
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: want to be the only nuclear power in the region
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: and are perfectly happy for Iran to be a collapsed,
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: failed state and all of the you know, chaos and
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: you know, human tragedy that that would entail. And I
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: think that they understand they have a limited time to
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: accomplish this. Both from the perspective of it is true
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: that the Iranian government is weak right now. You know,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: if you're going to do it, they sense an opening,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: they sort of smell blood in the water. And then
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: in addition, they have their own internal demographic weakness. Syl
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Benfram was tweeting yesterday about how they're suffering from net
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: out migration, and most of the people who are leaving
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: are young, they're more educated. These are like the more
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: secular U secular, highly educated types that they really depend
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: on for their military, they really depend on for their
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: technology sector. And so they've got a massive demographic crisis
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: because right now the social contract in the country is
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: effectively that those more secular educated types go to you know,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: go to school and work and serve in the military,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: and their tax money is what supports this broad social
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: safety net that the you know, the more orthodox types
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: who don't want to serve in the military and don't
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: want to work, that they benefit from. That is also
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: the group in terms of you know, in terms of
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Jews in Israel, that is having the most children, so
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: you have more and more of the preponderance of the population.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Is that, you know, the type that doesn't work and
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: doesn't work, no one deserve in the military, So it
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: doesn't work out like the math doesn't math at a
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: certain point. And they're very well aware of that. They're
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: also very well aware of the way that the world
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: has turned against them in terms of popular opinion. So
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: they still have a lot of obviously forced they still
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: have the full throat of backing the United States of
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: America for now, but they have to be looking at
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: the way that politics have shifted so dramatically with them
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: for them within the Democratic Party, and they can't feel
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: confident that whoever is the next president of the United
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: States is going to support them in any way whatsoever.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's really on the table right now. I
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: think is going to be a defining issue of the
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Democratic primary. So I think that's part of why even
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: though you know, Israel has their own weaknesses right now,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: and Iran figured out how to penetrate some of their defenses,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: but I think that's why they are willing to engage
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: in what is for them also a very risky strategy
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: of pushing for this war right now at this moment.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and so you know, both of us then are
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: on record this is a this is a critical moment
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: for Trump to show whether or not he's in charge here.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: So if he does not launch another war on Iran,
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: you and I will both be like, hey, all right,
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: the man stood up for himself. I'm willing to say
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: it if he does it. So how's that for a carrot?
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: As president? Speaking of Trump's wars because of blockade is
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: an active war.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Let's move on to Cuba.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: So yesterday, in a firefight between a speedboat with ten
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: Cuban nationals from the United States and the Cuban Coast Guard,
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: four of those Cuban nationals were killed. The rest of
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: them were captured by the Cubans. The Cuban captain, according
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: to the Cuban government, was wounded when this speedboat that
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: was about one nautical mile off the coast of Cuba
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: opened fire on it.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: We can put up a four here. Uh. This is
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: from This is from drop. This is from drop site.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: Laying out what the Cuban officials released late later that night.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: They said they they UH neutralized what they called a
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: a terrorist action. They said the men were armed with
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: and seized with assault rifles, handguns, molotov cocktails, body armor,
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: telescopic sites, and camouflage uniforms, and that they were they
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: were intent on meeting somebody on the island and UH
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: and fomenting some kind of revolt there. They also said
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: that notably two of them, Ami hal Sanchez Gonzalez and
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: leord and Cruz Gomez, had already been listed on Cuba's
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: quote national list of persons and entities linked to terrorism,
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: which is which is published weekly in their in their
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: in their what that's called the official Gazette. That update,
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: that updated registry included sixty two individuals, and so two
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: of those individuals were on this ship. And they said
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: they also detained Daniel Hernandez Santos inside the country. They said,
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: everybody has the six that were captured, plus the one
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: that was taken on land, have confessed to this. We
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: can put up jd Vance, who has asked about this
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: at a briefing. Here's a five that.
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: Was I think that you know about the situation off
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: the coast of Cuba versus speed boat.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: Shop, and briefed on that for Americans were killed in intervening. Yeah,
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: so on the second thing, heishi Marco briefly about fifteen
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: minutes ago on it. But we don't know a whole
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: lot of details, and so I'll defer to the White
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: House to provide more updates as we get them. Certainly,
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: you know a situation that we're monitoring. Hopefully it's not
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: as bad as we fear it could be. But I
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: can't say more because I just don't know more.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: And so Crystal all ten of the men on the
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: speedboat were Cuban nationals who living in the United States.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: We don't know yet if any had become American citizens
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: or not, but we do know that they were. You know,
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: they were armed and within within a mile of the
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: Cuban coast and according to the Cubans fired on the
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: coast guard. They fired first. So we don't have video
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: yet of this. It would be I think it would
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: be unusual. For the reason I credit the Cuban government
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: account here is that it would just be unusual for
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: the Cuban coast guard to just open fire on a
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: ship like that, right they have, They wouldn't basically never
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: done that.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: It wouldn't be in their interest remotely right now to
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: provoke the US, you know, I mean this perfect pretet
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: like if you kill some American citizens, we don't like
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: you said, know if these are American citizens are not?
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Again we learned from the Iran block where they're like
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: looking for pretext, Oh my god, you killed an American,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Now we're going to bomb the shit on of you.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Like they would love some sort of pretext to mess
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: with Cuba. I don't know what do you read in
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: terms of the tea leaves here o or whether these
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: were just some like Miami Cubans freelancing, or whether this
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: was some sort of you know, U s c I
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: A backed attempt to get on the island and cause
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: some sort of mischief.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: On the one hand, it feels like the camouflage, you know, scopes,
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: like assault weapons, like it feels like it has some
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: you know, sophistication behind it. On the other hand, this
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: is the United States.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: You know, you can not hard to access those things.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: You can get all that stuff, you know, with a
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: credit card. You know, We're not We're not a place
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: that makes it difficult, particularly in Florida, to to arm
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: up that boat in the way that they did.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Uh. There there are you know, there is a you know, there.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: Is a Cuban exile community there that is extraordinarily radical
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: and there's a militant wing of it that you know,
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: this is this has shades of this scandal from many.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Years ago called they called Brothers to the Rescue.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: Where Miami exiles were flying over Cuba repeatedly and the
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Cubans kept warning them stop and then eventually shot the
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: plane down. I believe it was a member of Congress
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: or somebody else was recently pushing Trump to indict and
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: then go capture Raul Castro for the murder of these
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: four men in the in what's called this Brothers to
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: the Rescue, you know, plane downing, So it has echoes
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: of that. What what what links are there to American intelligence?
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: You know, maybe we'll find out sooner rather than later.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: But it's plausible that you know, there is enough of
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: a militant, you know, easily armed community in Miami that
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: would just that would do this and believe that they're
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: helping to spark some type of uprising on the island
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: that would then lead to some significant American intervention. So
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: could go either way. What what what? What do you think?
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I mean? I think knowing a little bit more about
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: the background of these individuals would be helpful. You know,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: certainly if one I was like, oh, former Delta Force
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: or whatever. Really okay, you know, a former Navy cl
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: We've okay, we've seen this before. So you know, for me,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: it's still a question mark. I find both explanations plausible,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: but you know, maybe give us an update. One of
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: the things that we were hopeful about when the Supreme
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Court struck down Trump's tariffs and you brought this up immediately.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Ryan was, well, they've been using those terrorifts to threaten
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Mexico and say you can't send the oil that Cuba
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: has already purchased. You can't send it to Cuba or
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: else we're going to tear if the shit on if
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: you Well, that tool has been taken out of their arsenal.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: But when we talked to Jose of Dropside News that
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: you're ahead of your Latin America desk, he was pretty
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: doubtful that it would really change the calculation because his
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: sense was that Claudia Scheinbaum had told, had been told
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: in no uncertain terms like no, this is really a
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: problem for us, and you know, and that she would
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: be likely to listen and you know, not violate the
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: illegal oil embargo that we put on the island.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because there are other tariffs that Trump can you know,
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: put on Mexican goods up to think fifty percent. You know,
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: you can challenge them and they will be challenged, no doubt.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Well, and she, I mean Trump made the point. He's like, well,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: it's kind of ridiculous that I can destroy a country,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: but I can't levey tariffs. And I mean in a sense,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: he's correct, Like there's all kinds of ways that he
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: could screw with Mexico that don't have to do with tariffs.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Right right, So.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: It's a real question for Shinbaum of how much she
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: wants to, you know, how important is it to her,
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: you know, to show solidarity with the Cubans and also
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: show her sovereignty. When she was asked about it at
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: her press conference I believe it was yesterday, she did say, like,
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: the tariffs that were preventing us from sending the Cuba
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: have been ruled unconstitutional in the United States, so stay
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: tuned as to what that means. So she did open
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: the door to the possibility that this Supreme Court ruling
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: will actually, you know, is having her rethink that maybe
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: she's just using that for leverage to get something else
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: out of Trump behind the scenes. But it's still a
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: jump ball, like it's back and play otherwise.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: In other words, all right, let's move on to this
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: AI fight. And I want to start here, guys with
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: a seven, which is the latest in this feud between
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: the Pentagon and Anthropic. Pentagon has taking the first step,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: according to Axios, toward blacklisting Anthropic, and I really want
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: everyone to take all of this very seriously, because Anthropic
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: has positioned itself as the most safety conscious large AI
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: like Frontier AI lab, and I think they've especially with
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: this fight with the Pentagon, I think they've earned that
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: reputation at this point. That's not to say, and we'll
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: get to some of the problems a little bit later
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: that you know, it's all great because they are also
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: very much acceding to the market logic of we got
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: to throw safety to the side and just build, build, build,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: But they put down two pretty reasonable red lines with
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: regard to the Pentagon's use of Claude their AI, which
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: was number one, we don't want it used for mass
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: surveillance of Americans. Okay, that seems pretty reasonable. And number two,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: we don't want it to be used for autonomous killer
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: robots where there is no human being involved whatsoever. Those
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: seem like, you know, really a low bar to meat.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: And yet the Pentagon has thrown a complete fit over this,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: and Pete Hegseth in particular, and so this showdown has
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: been ongoing. I believe the deadline that heg Seth arbitrarily
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: set for Anthropic to completely capitulate to their demands is tomorrow.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: And the two threats that he had made were either
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: we're going to actually just use the Defense Production Act
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: to seize your technology and give however we want. You're
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: not going to get a say in it whatsoever, or
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: and that one had a little bit more of potential
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: legal issues with it. Or the other direction, which they
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: look like they're going in at this point, Ryan, is
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: we're going to declare your product a supply chain risk
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: because again, you won't completely capitulate to our demands for
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: killer robots and mass surveillance of Americans. Apparently, and that
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: means not only are we going to end our two
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: hundred million dollar contract with you, but all of our
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: everyone we work with at the Pentagon, all the you know,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: prime contractors, any of our suppliers, We're going to tell
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: them they can't work with you either because you're a
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: quote unquote supply chain risk. It looks like they're moving
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: in that direction, and the only thing that's really preventing
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: them is that Claude is actually, you know, the best
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: of these models, I think in general at this point,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: but specifically for whatever the Pentagon is using it for,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Claude apparently performs better than the other models, and so
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: it's going to be kind of a mess for them
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: to disentangle this. And actually there's a quote here from
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: some senior military official that's like, yeah, if we have
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: to stop using Anthropic, if we have to stop using Claude,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: that's going to be a mess. And we're going to
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: make them pay for the trouble that they've cost us.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Of course, Elon and x AI have stepped up and said, hey,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: we don't have any problem. We'll do your autonomous killer
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: robot swarms. No no issue here, So you know, x
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: is raising their hand and say, hey, count us in.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: But and and the Pentagon is going to reportedly give
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: them access to their classified systems, et cetera. But apparently
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: the you know, the product is is not as good
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: at this point coming from Elon than it is from Anthropics.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: So that's kind of where things stand at this point.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: Ryan, Yeah, shocked that GROC is not not up to
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: the task of uh that the Pentagon wants wants or two.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: But yes, they're they're they're using the language that.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: You know that and they are walking back the safety
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: pledge like that's you know, this this that was reported
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: yesterday that this.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Was you're talking about. Anthropic is walking back the safety pledge.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: And the quote from Jared Kaplan, who is the chief
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: Science officer who gave the time, he said, we didn't
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: feel with the rapid advance of AI that it made
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: sense for us to make unilateral commitments if competitors are
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: blazing ahead. We felt that it wouldn't actually help anyone
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: for us to stop training AI models. So the argument
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: that Musk and Altman and all of the others have
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: been making from the beginning is that we can't be
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: ethical because nobody else will be. We'd we'd like to be,
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: but nobody else is, so we can't be, So we
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: have to march forward.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Anthropic was the only one really that was saying no,
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: that we don't believe in that. We we believe that
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: we can do this separately. And now they're capitulating, you know,
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: to this under these under this combination of pressures.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, in their message would basically be like, what
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: you think it's going to be better if Elon wins
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: the AI war and ends up with AGI or super
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: intelligence first, do you think that's going to be better?
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's their thinking and that logic is
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: not just the competition between these companies, but then it's
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: also the competition, you know, this geopolitical competition between the
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: US and China and all this fear mongering about like,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: oh my god, if China achieves AGI or super intelligence first,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: then we're done for et cetera. And so the safety
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: pledge that you're talking about, you know, their previous model
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: had basically been like, Okay, if we develop a model
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: and we can't feel comfortable like certifying that this is
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: completely safe, we're not going to release it and we're
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: going to stop. We're going to pause and figure out
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: what's going on. And now they're like, well, yeah, we're
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: not going to do that anymore, and we're going to
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: we have these other safety guidelines in place, so don't worry.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: But you know, that particular model of actually stopping development
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: and figuring out what the hell is going on before
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: moving forward, yeah, we can't really. We can't really do
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: that because we're going to fall behind, and the market
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: logic dictates that we have to keep going. And you know,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: in a sense, Ryan, I sort of empathize with them
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: because I think in the system that exists now with
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: government completely I mean, you can't even say hands off.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Like they're actively pushing all of this forward as fast
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: as they possibly can. You are not going to be
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: able to resist those pressures. I mean, this is really
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: an issue from you know, from our politicians where they
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: need to come in and regulate, because as long as
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: you have one company that's willing to say, you know,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: to hell with all the safeguards, I'm going to bolt,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: I'm going to I'm going to go ahead and race
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: ahead as fast as i can, then it means the
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: most irresponsible actor is the one that is most likely
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: to achieve artificial general intelligence or super intelligence the first
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: and that is a terrible, terrible set of circumstances. So
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: you know, it's really it's really a genuine failure and
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: a terrifying one of the political class, as evidenced now
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: by this, you know, this fight with the Pentagon and
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: the fact that they've decided to draw this hard line
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: of like, no, we demand that we use your product
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: for both surveillance and you know, killer robot purposes. I
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: wanted to play the CEO of Anthropic Dario amide Uh
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: responded to, you know, explaining his thinking of why this
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: was a hard line for them and listen. I. Like
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: I said, it's a low bar. I do want to
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: give them credit though, because at least they're standing up
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: against something in all of this. None of the other
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: companies seems to be doing that. This is a eight.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a listen to him laying
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: out his concerns.
• 35:43
  Speaker 8: That's one reason why I'm you know, I'm worried about
• 35:46
  Speaker 8: the you know, the the the autonomous drone swarm. Right, So,
• 35:50
  Speaker 8: you know, the constitutional protections in our military structures depend
• 35:56
  Speaker 8: on the idea that there are humans who would we hope,
• 35:59
  Speaker 8: dis bay illegal orders with fully autonomous weapons. We don't
• 36:03
  Speaker 8: necessarily have those protections, but I actually think this whole
• 36:08
  Speaker 8: idea of constitutional rights and liberty along many different dimensions
• 36:15
  Speaker 8: you know, can be undermined by AI if we don't
• 36:19
  Speaker 8: update these these protections appropriately. So, you know, think about
• 36:23
  Speaker 8: the Fourth Amendment. It is not illegal to you know,
• 36:27
  Speaker 8: put cameras around everywhere in public space and you know,
• 36:30
  Speaker 8: record every conversation. It's a public space. You don't have
• 36:32
  Speaker 8: a right to privacy in a public space. But today
• 36:35
  Speaker 8: the government couldn't record that all and make sense of it.
• 36:38
  Speaker 8: With AI, the ability to transcribe speech to look through it,
• 36:42
  Speaker 8: correlate it all You could say, oh, there's this, you know,
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: this person is a member of the opposition, this person
• 36:49
  Speaker 8: is expressing this view, and make a map of all
• 36:53
  Speaker 8: you know, one hundred million and so are you going
• 36:55
  Speaker 8: to make a mockery of the Fourth Amendment by the
• 36:58
  Speaker 8: technology finding kind of technical ways around it? And and
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: and so you know, again, if we if we had
• 37:05
  Speaker 8: the time, and we should do this. We should try
• 37:06
  Speaker 8: to do this even even if we don't have the time.
• 37:09
  Speaker 8: Is there some way of reconceptualizing constitutional rights and liberties
• 37:15
  Speaker 8: in the age of AI, Like, you know, we don't
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: need to write a new constitutional but you.
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: Know, does you have to do this?
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Do we expand the meaning of the Fourth Amendment? Do
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: we expand the meaning of the First Amendment?
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: What do you think about those comments? Ryan and the
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: kind of like moral and ethical landscape that is being
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: trod right now.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: I feel like that if those comments are not just
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: accepted as common sense and a baseline for how we're
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: moving forward, but instead are bull dozed over and used
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: as a rationale to nationalize the company and take its
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: take its product from it and use it again, Like
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: we're so ft like, yeah, the like they those to
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: me seems like such obvious basic principles that as humanity forget.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: We do happen to have a constitution that says people
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: have you know, the right to you know, you know
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: that have basic protections, including the Fourth Amendment, and also
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: you can't just kill people for no reason. But even
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: if you don't have the constitution, like basic human rights
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: and our basic conception of humanity would suggest that those
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: are just that's just a that is the starting point,
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: and you would you would hope that would be the
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: starting point, and then people would then build on top
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: of that. Here are some other things that I think
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: we need to protect and some other things that we
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: should make sure that we're protecting as we're growing.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: This.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: To have that be the radical edge that's going to
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: be destroyed already instantly instantly is like wow, okay, well.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know there's a lot of like, oh
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: I voted for this discourse or like I didn't vote
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: for this discourse around you know, Trump voters, but this
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: was definitely not a central part of the campaignity voting. Yeah,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: we're going to just you know, off to the races
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: on Yeah, I mean not to say that that, like
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I was paying attention to, that was their orientation for sure,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: but the idea of like, yeah, we're just going to
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: try to eliminate all white collar work and by the way,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: suck up all the water and electricity and spik your
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: rates and create these like you know, super dystopian panopticon surveillance,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: state killer autonomous robots. You know, we're gonna we're going
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: to have this massive secret police force that is going
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: to be enabled with all of this technology, et cetera.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: And that's going to be a main push. Like that
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: is the central and one of the most consequential things
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: that this administration is doing. The public is wildly, wildly
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: against all of this on any variety of fronts, and
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: to your point, they're just it looks like from the
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: jump they're just going to bulldoze through any of the
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: most terrifying concerns that are being offered here and say, Nope,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: we want it all. We will do it all, and
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: we will use the whole force of the government, even
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: though we do not have a democratic mandate to do this,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: in order to compel you to comply. And so let's
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: take a look at you know, the responsible decision making
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: nature of these leading AI products. At this point, let's
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: put a six up on the screen. Some new rather
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: terrifying research here from someone who tested the leading AI models,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: and the headline here for new scientists says, AIS cannot
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: stop recommending nuclear strikes in wargame simulations. So they set
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: up these wargame simulations where it was like you know,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Claude versus Chat, GPT or whatever, and in ninety five
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: percent of instances, the AIS in the simulated war would
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: recommend using nukes. So that's that's where we're at, and
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: these are the products that we want to just like
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: let you know, run wild with any sort of human intervention, uh,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: with the most powerful military on the planet that has
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: ever existed. So that seems like a really great idea.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, And so when you think about autonomous armed drones,
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: like the next step would be you know autonomous like
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: how do you put guardrails around that autonomy that that
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: stopped short of control.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: Of nuclear weapons?
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: Like if if you have deliberately destroyed all the safety mechanisms,
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: like don't you don't get a second chance at this
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: to come back in and be like, oh, you know what,
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: you were right? We actually, you know, should have made
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: sure before we rolled out this Pentagon AI that it
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: wouldn't just nuclear world.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: You're right, next are bad. We're going to update it
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: and fix this.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Like you don't get that, yeah, completely. I was trying to.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: I was messing around with CHAGBT yesterday and we're having
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: to like remodel our bathroom and I was trying to
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: get it to like move a shower head in the
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: new shower and it was it would not listen, and
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: it kept on like just producing an image that was
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: like the shower head in the same place. And I'd
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: be like, why are you doing this? And every time
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, you're right, I'm sorry, blah blah blah,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: you know, and look when it's a showerhead in a
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: you know, fake image, no big deal. But what people
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: who are deeply concerned on the safety front point too,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: is it's very possible that the catastrophe that makes everyone
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: wake up is an existential Like it's it's such a disaster,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: can't yeah that you can't recover from it, or it's
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: so it's you know, horrifying, or you're talking about millions
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: of lives, like you know, there are a lot of
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: AI safety types who hope there's some sort of like
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Chernobyl esque disaster that is really bad enough to wake
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: people up, but not so bad that you can't recover
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: from it, because there is a possibility that you know
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: already these models have developed to a point where they're
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: very powerful, and they're acting in ways that are extremely unpredictable.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: We've gotten, you know, I've got a new example of
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: that we can put up here on the screen. A nine.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: This is from Akash Gupta, who and this was reported elsewhere,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: and he writes an AI newsletter. But in any case,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: he says, one person writing the Spanish language prompt spent
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: a month talking Claude into acting as a penetration tester.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Federal Tax Authority, National Electoral Institute for State Governments, Mexico
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: City Civil Registry, Monore's water utility, one hundred and fifty
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: gigabytes out the door, one hundred and ninety five million
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: taxpayer records. The conversation lugs were publicly accessible the entire time.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: What makes us worth paying attention to is the sequence.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Gambit Security is really firm that found the breach, traces
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: the attack to December twenty five through January twenty sixth. Today,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Anthropic dropped that central pledge of its responsible Scaling Policy
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three commitment to never train a model unless
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: safety measures were proven adequate first. Also today, Defense Secretary
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Hegseth gave Daryu Amidae an ultimatum roll back your AI
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: state guards or lose a two hundred million dollars Pentagon contract.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: The Pentagon threaten to declare Anthropic a supply chain risk
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: and invoke the Defense Production Act. Three stories hit the
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: company on the same day, an AI assisted government breach,
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: a gutted safety policy, and a military shakedown, and they're
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: all connected by the same underlying tension, and so you
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: know you already have Claude. Basically, what this hacker was
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: able to do was to jail break claud meaning that
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: the sort of restrictions that are put in place about
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: don't do bad things. They're able to sort of break
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: it out of that, which is a well known vulnerability
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: for these models. You can sort of like cajole them like, well,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: we don't want to do this, but hypothetically, and if
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: you talk to them long enough, then they start to
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: lose track of the things that they're not supposed to
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: do et cetera. And so this person was able over
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: you know, a month's time to talk Claude into hacking
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: into the Mexican government and stealing all of this data.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: So this is where these models already are. And I
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: think ethical one, yeah, and this is the ethical one exactly.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: And so I think people I just see a lot
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: of people still with their heads in the sand because
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: they'll see stupid stuff like you know, like my situation
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: with chat GPT, and they're like, this stuff is this
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: is nonsense, Like this is a parlor trick. This is
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: not going to transform anything. That's not a risk to anyone.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: I wish that was true already. You know, Claud Code
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: and Claud Cowork. You can see the way they're upending markets,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: destroying software companies. Like to imagine that this isn't going
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: to have a significant disruptive effect in one way or another.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: I think it's just utterly delusional at this point and
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: not a sustainable view.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: Well, let's hear Dario himself, Dario Muddy on that. Let's
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: here's a ten.
• 45:52
  Speaker 9: About some of the things that are more like in
• 45:55
  Speaker 9: the you know, in the kind of public awareness and
• 45:59
  Speaker 9: the actions of wider society. You know, it is surprising
• 46:03
  Speaker 9: to me that we are, you know, in my view,
• 46:06
  Speaker 9: so close to these models reaching the level of human intelligence,
• 46:10
  Speaker 9: and yet there doesn't seem to be a wider recognition
• 46:16
  Speaker 9: in society of what's about to happen. It's as if
• 46:18
  Speaker 9: this tsunami is coming at us, and you know, it's
• 46:21
  Speaker 9: so close we can see it on the horizon, and
• 46:23
  Speaker 9: yet people are coming up with these explanations, Oh, it's
• 46:26
  Speaker 9: not actually a tsunami, it's you know that that you know,
• 46:29
  Speaker 9: that's just a trick of the light, like it's some
• 46:31
  Speaker 9: you know. And I think along with that, there hasn't
• 46:33
  Speaker 9: been a public awareness of the risks, and you know,
• 46:36
  Speaker 9: therefore governments haven't acted to address the risk. There's even
• 46:40
  Speaker 9: an ideology that, you know, we should just try to
• 46:42
  Speaker 9: accelerate as fast as possible, which, you know, I understand
• 46:45
  Speaker 9: the benefits of the technology.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: I wrote Machines of Loving Grace, but I.
• 46:48
  Speaker 9: Think there hasn't been an appropriate realization of the risks
• 46:52
  Speaker 9: of the technology, and there certainly hasn't been action.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: So I would say that the.
• 46:57
  Speaker 9: Technical work on controlling the eye systems has gone maybe
• 47:00
  Speaker 9: a little better than I expected, and kind of the
• 47:02
  Speaker 9: societal awareness has gone maybe a little worse.
• 47:05
  Speaker 10: Than I expected. So I'm about where I was a
• 47:07
  Speaker 10: few years ago. Yeah, okay, well, and you put up
• 47:10
  Speaker 10: the next almis. This is the one I mentioned earlier
• 47:12
  Speaker 10: a eleven. This is from yesterday. Anthropic Ditch is its
• 47:15
  Speaker 10: core safety promise in the middle of an AI redline
• 47:18
  Speaker 10: fight with the Pentagon. So there we go.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Great not great. And Dario recently wrote an essay, very
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: long essay I recommend people read it, laying out his
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: concerns in more specificity, and he makes I think an
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: insightful point, which is, look, you're always going to have
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: technical experts in the world who, if they so desired,
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: could unleash, like, you know, some sort of biological or
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: chemical warfare, and you're always going to have separate and
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: apart from that, you're always going to have people who
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: are malevolent or extremist actors who would desire to unleash
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: that sort of pain, death and chaos. But it's pretty
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: rare to find people who are are both expert enough
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: and either malevolent enough or extreme enough, or radicalized enough
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: or crazy enough or whatever. And in fact, the two
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: things tend not to go together because it usually is
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: like unstable misanthropic losers, you know, school shooter types who
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: want to do this sort of stuff, who are unlikely
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: to be skilled enough to actually pull it off. And
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: what you have with these ais now is the ability
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: to turn anyone into you don't need to be an
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: expert anymore. You can you can vibe warfare, you know
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: you can. You can just if you can jail break
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: one of these things, which is, you know, if the
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: claud one can be done, then you can imagine the
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Xai one or whatever other model that's even that's less
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: responsible than Claude being even more easily jail broken. They're
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: all pushing ahead without having these safeguards in place. The
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: politicians are actively encouraging this off to the race's mentality,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: and so now you don't need to have in a
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: singular person that level of malevolence and expertise in order
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: to have some sort of you know, horror perpetrated. So
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: that's that's kind of already the landscape that we live in,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: and you know, it's it's deeply, deeply disturbing. And with this,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: with this government in charge, I have zero hope that
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: there's going to be any sort of significant, meaningful reform.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: And so I think that's where the data center fights
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: come in, where at least if you can slow things
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: to you know, grind the gears a little bit. We've
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: got to slow this timeline down so that there's at
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: least a chance for democracy to catch up. So there's
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: at least a chance to have this debate in the
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight elections, because I have no doubt that
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: the public is horrified, you know, to the extent that
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: they're aware of everything that's going on. They're horrified by
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: what is going on here from a variety of levels,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: from the resource usage to the you know, job loss,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: to the more existential concerns. But if we don't even
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: have a chance to weigh in, you know, before this
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: thing takes off to to agr to super intelligence, then
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know, when we're pretty hosed.
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: Yes, And when the right talks about school shootings, for instance,
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: they will say, look, we don't it's not a problem
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: with guns. The guns are not the problem. The problem
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: is mental health. We have a mental health crisis in
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: this country, and that is why people lash out. Okay,
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: you thought school shootings were bad, give those if you
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: do believe that we have this mental health crisis that
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: is leading people to want to commit mass, horrific violence
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: on the way towards suicide. How is that going to
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: unfold if we have given them the ability to do
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: cataclysmic levels of damage on their way out?
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: So yeah, dark, very dark.
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: Hillary Clinton heads to Capitol Hill today to give a
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: position behind hind closed doors. Let's roll through some Epstein
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: updates for you today. First of all, unearthed audio from
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: the from the radio program Howard Stern many years ago
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: is making the rounds again in the context of these
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: files that the DOJ appears to have withheld that relate
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: to char an accusation against President Trump, which we'll get
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: to in a moment. We'll also talking about Bill Gates,
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: who has now admitted to a couple of affairs with
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: some Russian sex workers and apologize for that. We'll talk
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: about whether there's some blackmail potential involved there when it
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: comes to Jeffrey Epstein. But let's roll this Trump clip
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: that is surging around the internet again. This is B three.
• 51:48
  Speaker 9: What is the best thing about being Donald Trump right now?
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: Well, the fact I'm married, okay, and I'm very happily
• 51:54
  Speaker 7: we met I have a great way, but if I
• 51:55
  Speaker 7: weren't married, I'd be able to get all of the
• 51:59
  Speaker 7: girls I want, except for possibly Robin. Do you think
• 52:02
  Speaker 7: you could now be banging twenty four year olds?
• 52:04
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 52:05
  Speaker 7: Absolutely? Would you do it? I have no problem? Yeah.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Do you have an age limit or would you?
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: No?
• 52:11
  Speaker 7: No, I have no age. I mean I have an agent.
• 52:13
  Speaker 7: I don't want to be with you. Twelve year olds.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: Can I make a prediction for you?
• 52:17
  Speaker 7: Yes?
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: I saw you have one more marriage in you.
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: Well that's nice. I'm sure Millenia will love to hear.
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: Okay, so this is a time at Crystal Wilsee he's got.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: His lines, Ryan. Yeah, twelve year olds, that's too far.
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: This is the kind when Mark, the Mark Foley scandal
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: was going around. I believe this was the two thousand
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: and six midterms.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: Is that right?
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: This was a Republican congressman who was who was creeping
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: on interns. Not twelve I don't think twelve year olds,
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: but maybe maybe it won't.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: They're like high school sophomores. I think they are.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: Let go on that.
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: Let have gone pretty low, like the disgusting creature. And
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: he was forced to resign because the chats came out.
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: It was like this early internet thing where people realized
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: that you could catch people in bad behavior because the
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: Internet was saving what they were doing. So he's that's
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: his reference to folly there. Even Howard Stern is like,
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: you're an old man. Twenty four seems a little young
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: for you. Trump's absolutely not, but he does draw the
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: line at twelve. So yeah, so that's our that's our president.
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: I believe this might be the same interview where he
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: talked about how the reason he bought Miss teen Universe
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: or Miss teen USA, whichever one he purchased, was so
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: that he could walk into the locker room while the
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: while the young teens were changing and creep on them.
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: And his daughter Avonka later was asked about that and
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: she said, oh, yeah, that that sounds like that absolutely
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: sounds like something my dad would do. And the teen
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: girls also said publicly, yeah, it was creepy and he
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: would do that. So it's one of these just in
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: your face moments that.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Is completely and Lis would be one up on the screen.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: You've got a bunch about Shout on to Roger Sollenbarger,
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: independent journalists who first unearthed some of these hidden files,
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: you've had NPR, New York Times and other outlets now
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: who have confirmed it. This latest revelation comes from CNN,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: where they've built on some of the reporting and identified
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: additional missing files. Now, the key ones that people have
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: been focused on, to your point, Ryan, are about these
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: allegations from a a woman made them at the TEMP.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: But she was a girl, a thirteen year old girl,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: when she alleges that she was sexually assaulted by Donald Trump.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: And this is initially in the files as coming in
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: on the FBI's anonymous tip line, which people kind of
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: looked at and like, eah, anyone can just call in
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: and make some sort of allegation. But what we have
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: now learned is that she was deemed credible enough to
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: have come in for four different interviews, and those interviews
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: were not contained in the files that were released. That
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: is a flagrant violation as far as we can tell
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: of the of the law here. No specific explanation has
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: been offered as to why they were withheld, and we
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: do know that Ghlaine Maxwell was given given access to
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: those interviews in context of discovery for her trial. So
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: now you have CNN saying dozens of FBI witness interviews
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: from the investigation of Jeffrey Epstein appear to be missing
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: from the massive trove of files released by the Department
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: of Justice last month, according to a CNN review, including
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: three interviews related to a woman who accused Trump of
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: sexually assaulting her decades ago. An evidence log provided to
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: attorneys for Epstein associate Gallaine Maxwell, includes serial numbers for
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: about three hundred and twenty five FBI witness interview records,
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: but more than ninety of those records, over a quarter
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: of the list, do not appear to be present on
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: the DOJ website. Among those missing records are those three
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: interviews related to a woman who told agents Epstein had
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: repeatedly abused her starting when she was approximately thirteen, and
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: who also accused Trump of sexually assaulted her. So you
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: know she was thirteen, she would have made his twelve
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: year old cutoff there, Ryan. But in any case, what
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: CNN is finding here is it's not only those interviews
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: that are missing. There are a lot of other witness
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: interviews which have been excluded from the files, and you
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: know that is unacceptable. The government has to offer some
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: sort of specific reason, and there's limited exceptions why files
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: would be you know, withheld or for reactions. So you know,
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: the blatant, brazen nature of this cover up just to
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: continues to be exposed.
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and so to be fair to Trump here, which
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: we always endeavor to do here at breaking points, one
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: of these one of these women sued the estate, did
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: not mention Trump when suing the Epstein estate and had
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: that suit tossed like it was. And there are a
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: lot of problems that you can cite with people who've
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: been able to get a compensation from the from the
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: Epstein estate. There are a lot of criticism that you
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: know that girls and not girls, but women who were
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: adults and were involved in recruiting refashioned themselves as as
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: victims and were able to get payoffs from the Epstein
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: estate and at the bar was not you know, terribly
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: high for you know, proving that you deserved some kind
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: of compensation from the Epsteina States. So the fact that
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: she was unable to get that from the Epsteina State
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: and did not mention Trump, and I believe claims that
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: happened in southern California, and there's I don't think there's
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: you know, a Mark Epstein is saying that his brother
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: never summered or you know what, that wouldn't wouldn't have
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: been there. There's there's a lot of and the FBI
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: found ultimately found the complaint to be not credible, which
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: is probably then why they pulled it. But it's illegal
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: to pull it, like you're not, like, that's not what
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: the Epstein files are. Consparency Act says that you can't
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: just say, well, we don't think that this allegation is credible,
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: so we're not going to we're not going to post
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: it because it's about the president. No, like that's the
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: Act says you have to you have to post it.
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: So that so then there's the other one seems to
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: be involves mar A Lago and does and that one
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: seems to be more credible, So just just putting that
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: out there in the interest of tr and the other.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: One being the details there are that she does not
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: allege that she was sexually assaulted by Trump, but she
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: alleges that she was, you know, introduced to Trump at
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: a young age and Trump was kind of like leering
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: at her, and you know, Epstein said, oh, well, this
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: this is a good one, isn't it. And they sort
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: of like laughed, and she was like, what the hell's
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: going on here? So it doesn't you know, again, there's
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: no allegation of wrongdoing by the president outside of knowledge
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: of what is going on here and providing some in
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: site into you know, just exactly how intimately he was
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: involved in the disgusting and depraved and illegal activities of
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein, right.
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: And because and we know in the two thousand and
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: two was it Vanity fair or maybe New York Magazine
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: article about Janny Fair Epstein, there's a quote from Trump
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: where he says, you know, he likes him young, he
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: loves him young, likes him young.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so like and we be mar A Lago is
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: known to have been a key hunting ground actually for
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Glaine in particular, and that's where Virginia Guffray was working
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: at sixteen years old when she was you know, recruited
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: and groomed and ends up trafficing by.
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: Them, and which according to Trump, not according to Trump,
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: but like in fairness Trump that he then got upset
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: with them for poaching Virginia away from there. Like so
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: there was like anyway just going bet and over backwards
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: to be fair to Trump here, but yes, did he know, Yeah,
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: he knew and actually in the files, according to the
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: what Dade County or what county is Palm Beach is
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: at Dade County. The sheriff there said that Trump called
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: and so glad you got this guy like he's creep.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: So like you can either you can say A that
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: is credit to Trump. B it's full knowledge of what
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: he was doing. And he maintained a friendship with the
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: guy for about twenty years and then before the early
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: eighties to two thousands before having.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: A fall falling out over a real estate transaction.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so all this is all right, you know
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: the story we've been giving in anyway, I think it's
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: Palm Beach County, isn't.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: It sounds right?
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well we'll go with that. We've also got a
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: couple other end let's put B five up on the
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: screen here. Actually, so Larry Summers was all over these files,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: you know, asking Epstein for lady advice and all sorts
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: of things. And so he has now been completely forced
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: down at Harvard University, and he'd already been forced to
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: They finally got amount at Center for American Progress. Crazy
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: he was still involved over there, but that's another topic
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: for another day. In any case, he'd been forced to
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: step down from various leadership positions and board now he's
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: been forced out of his professorship entirely over his Epstein pies.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: So we're not getting legal repercussions here in the United States,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: but we are getting a little bit of corporate cancel
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: culture repercussions. I was telling Sober it makes me a
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: little more sympathetic towards cancel culture, since apparently that's the
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: only way that we get any lead accountability here in
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: the United States. So I guess we'll take what we
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: can get with that and then put before up on
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: the screen. This is some new revelations about a governor,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: a Democratic governor of the Virgin Islands, who was exchanging
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: providing favors to Jeffrey Epstein leading right up until his
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: arrest in twenty nineteen for child sex crimes. So, according
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: to media eight just months before his twenty nineteen arrest,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein was being helped by US Virgin Islands Governor
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Albert Bryan Junior. And Virgin Islands, of course, are like
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: his island is part of the Virgin Islands, so he
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: maintained very close relationships with all of the politicians there
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: so he could do whatever he needed to do on
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: his quote unquote pedophile island Little Saint James. After in
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: this original reporting by the Ways from CNN, after Epstein
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: was ordered to stop unauthorized construction on Little Saint James
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: and Great Saint James in the US Virgin Islands, the
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: serial sex offender went to Brian for help. According to
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: the Network, text messages from twenty nineteen reviewed by CNN
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: show Brian, a Democrat, telling Epstein he had spoken with
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: the territory's top environmental official and asked him to pause
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: enforcement until they could discuss the matter. As Epstein complained
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: about possible mounting fines and negative press coverage. Brian later
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: wrote he had asked the commissioner overseeing the case to
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: accuse himself and concede on all previous permit requests. In
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: one text message to Epstein, the Democratic governor wrote, we
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: got you. In another exchange, after Epstein asked Brian whether
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: he could spare fifteen minutes, the governor quickly responded, for you. Absolutely.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: It's not a lovely, lovely story of friendship.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: It's so nice, you know.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: It's about the friends that we make along the way
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: it truly is. And so meanwhile, speaking of friends people
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: made along the way. But Bill Gates, I can put
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: up B two here, you know, has apologized to staff
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: and said that okay, yes I did have affairs with
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: quote two Russian women, and that Epstein later found out
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: about these affairs. Epstein paid for one of the women's education,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: which was you go through the files, He's constantly dangling
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: and this is what's you know, another layer of darkness
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: on top of it. These women wanted, wanted an education,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: wanted to improve their lot in life, and they saw
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: their relationship, you know, with Epstein and his network as
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: a way of getting that thing that society makes so
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: hard for people, which is just to get ahead, get
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: an education, get it, get ahead. These constantly dangling that
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: and in front of them and oftentimes not delivering on it.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: In this case, he he did pay for one of
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: the women's education. Uh, then he had Bill Gates pay
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: him back, which I cannot understand this world of billionaires,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: Like are you serious if I'm if I'm out with
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: a friend and like Chick fil A', I'm picking up
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: there they're Chick fil a. It's fine, like and or
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: the friend be like, you know what I got you
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: this time? Like that's what you do for friends. So
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: he picks up the Bill Gates's uh mistresses education and
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: then invoices him for it, like what is going on?
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: Like you're he's a they're both billionaires, can't pick up
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: each other's mistresses college bills and just say you get
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: the next one, like you.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: Need to see that. The text from the you know,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: like from the Virgin Islands governor, I got you, right.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: I got you, I got I got you. Hey, let
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: me let me, let me get that table. No, no,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: I got this one. You get you, you get the
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: next one, Like for some reason, this one is like
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: what's wrong with these people? So it looks like what
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: Epstein really had in mind because I'm I'm kidding, like
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: this is not in the top ten of their most
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: depraved characteristics, but it's.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: One of them.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: I think what Epstein really wanted is some paper trail
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: that he could then hold over Bill Gates at.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: Which you're so much better at understanding the criminal mind.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: So I see you're reporting because.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: He been in this for too long. But he so
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: he then does try to implicitly use it against Gates
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: as Gates suggests here that like, yeah, and because he's
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: got the paper trail, he's got them.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: And apparently so some of what we've gleaned from the
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: files is, you know, in the context of like Leon
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: Black and what is it Steve Tish, it seems like
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: Epstein has these young women in his orbit and you know,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: pays for their you know, their dentistry and dangles a
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: modeling career or whatever, and then he like farms them
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: out to his rich, depraved quote unquote friends, and so
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: they they are trafficked like directly by him. What it
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: looks like with Bill Gates is that these women, as
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: far as we can tell, did not come directly from
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: the Epstein network. But nevertheless Epstein found out about it
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: and realize like, oh, this is an angle I can work.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: You know, this is a piece of information that can
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: be useful to me in the future, and you know,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: lo and behold. Years later, when Bill Gates tries to
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: is probably under pressure from his wife and tries to
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: pull away from his relationship to Epstein, that's when Epstein
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: writes this mement to himself of you know, oh, well,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: here's all the things I know about this dude, and
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: that he definitely wouldn't want to come out that he
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: contracted some sort of STD from one of these Russian
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: women and didn't want his wife to find out. So
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: it was trying to, you know, use Epstein to procure
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: antibiotics to slip surreptitiously to his wife, is what Epstein
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: wrote in the memo to himself anyway. So we haven't
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: gotten confirmation specifically from Bill Gates on that particular part,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: but you know, this would seem to confirm some key
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: aspects of what Epstein was memorializing there to himself.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: And what a couple of people who knew Epstein told
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: me was that it was very hard to get rid
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: of them. And these are not people who had like
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: problematic relationships with him, so they were doing some self justification.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 4: But people who knew knew him and knew his world
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: that it wasn't as easy as like he wasn't taking
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: the hint. You know what, Jeff, I don't think we're
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: going to be buddies anymore. I don't think we're going
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: to hang out anymore. It was much more of a
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: mafia thing, like oh no, no, no, no, that is
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: not that is not how this goes like, no, we
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: are still involved. You're not getting rid I mean you
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: can see that in the Leon Black emails that the
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: New York Times and others reported on that Leon Black
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: can't get rid of him and ends up continuing paying
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: you know, millions of dollars to them going going forward.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: And so Epstein along the way knows he's going to
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: be he's not going to let this person get away.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: And so what do you do along the way.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: You build up enormous amounts of a compromising information so
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: you don't even have to use it, although it does
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: appear that he used it with Gates, just just them
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: knowing that you have it means that it's it's easier
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: than for these men to just continue be like, Okay,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: you know what I can't get out of it's it's
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: it's going to it could blow up my entire life
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: if if I try too hard to extract myself from
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: this relationship that I probably should and that I know
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: I should not have gotten in. And then on the
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: on the flip side, you're like, I do have a
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: lot of fun with him.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: The island's nice and all that.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 10: The prey things that we do, we do kind of
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 10: like those things.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and he introduced me to this person and
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: that person. I made this deal with him, you know,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: and he's helping me with my Nobel Peace Prize aspirations. Apparently,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: in the context of Bill Gates, that was something that.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: Which he would be the guy he like knew that
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: he knew the Norwegians and had Yeah, he blew up
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: the entire Norwegian you know, political system.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: So yeah, if he's going to help you get your.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: Nobel so incredible. Yeah, and people, you know, some of
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: some of those skeptics will say, like, well, if all
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: these people like knew about this world and you know
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: all this way he was operating, surely one of them
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: would have come forward and blown the whistle. And it's like,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: when you dig into each of these relationships you understand
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: why no one did because because if you're Bill Gates,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: you don't want your wife to know that you had
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: these two affairs and that you got an STD and
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  Speaker 2: tried to slipper sir reptitious and ibiotics. You're not you know,
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  Speaker 2: you're not looking if you're just daily to have the
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  Speaker 2: emails revealed where you're saying, hey, I had a great
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  Speaker 2: time with snow White and maybe the next is princess
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: I should try on as beauty and the beast. You're
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  Speaker 2: not really excited about that stuff coming to light, so
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  Speaker 2: it's mutually sure destruction and you keep your mouth shut
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  Speaker 2: because that's what's best for you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And and lots of people over the years, whether it's
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  Speaker 4: Maria Farmer come cheat the sarn Off or like Tina Brown,
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  Speaker 4: like like plenty of people like tried to blow the
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  Speaker 4: whistle throughout that's years. And there's there's no mechanism for
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  Speaker 4: accountability within elite circle. So if you come out and
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  Speaker 4: say like, there's no like calling the police, there's no
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  Speaker 4: like I'm going to press charges through this vehicle that
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  Speaker 4: we that we have, it would be assumed that you
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  Speaker 4: have some you're you're either a gold digger or you
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  Speaker 4: had some business deal that went south with Epstein. That
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  Speaker 4: isn't our business. So you guys sort this out. There's
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  Speaker 4: no way to actually hold people in these elite circles accountable,
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  Speaker 4: and so what you and so I've seen a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people complaining this is becoming a moral panic, Like.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, let's say it is.
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  Speaker 4: Then then set up a system of accountability for the elites.
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  Speaker 4: If you have an elite class that is immune from
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  Speaker 4: any accountability, do not complain when the public produces its
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  Speaker 4: own mechanisms.
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  Speaker 3: Of accountability against them.
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  Speaker 4: A saw Grand Platner picking up on making that argument,
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  Speaker 4: which is I think exactly the one to take out
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  Speaker 4: of this.
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  Speaker 3: This class should not exist.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's my point about you know that
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  Speaker 2: I was kind of jokingly making about cancel culture, which
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  Speaker 2: is a form of virgilante justice. Like you don't support
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  Speaker 2: mob justice in that way, which you know is definitely
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  Speaker 2: not the ideal way to go about things, then you
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  Speaker 2: have to support some sort of actual accountability, and not
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  Speaker 2: just with regard to the Epstein class, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: going back to the Iraq War, lies into the financial
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  Speaker 2: crisis and nobody goes to prison, and the just absolute
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  Speaker 2: impunity that elite seem to operate with, we just we
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  Speaker 2: haven't had that. So you don't be surprised then when
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  Speaker 2: people resort to like mob online, cancel culture, and digital
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  Speaker 2: vigilante justice, because that's the only chance that they have
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  Speaker 2: of seeing any of these people held to account.
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  Speaker 4: Democracy or barbarism, no justice, no peace, like these these
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  Speaker 4: cliches exist for a reason, and that's right. Some moments,
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  Speaker 4: they have more fire behind them than others. Right now,
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  Speaker 4: the fire is burning