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EXCLUSIVE: Hear it! 'Dog the Bounty Hunter' co-star says he cried after finding out the mom he tried to help, lied about child's fatal illness. She's now charged with murder. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Who loves you the most in the world, Mommy who
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  Speaker 1: would take a bullet for you, Mommy who's there taking
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  Speaker 1: care of you when you're sick at night, when you
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  Speaker 1: scrape your knees, when you're growing up and you need
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  Speaker 1: direction or a place to come home to mommy. But that,
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  Speaker 1: according to prosecutors, was not the case for a little
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  Speaker 1: seven year old girl, Olivia Gent. This little girl seemingly
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  Speaker 1: had lived through so many serious, serious health ailments, surgeries,
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of invasive procedures, all the while Mommy stood
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  Speaker 1: by taking care of Olivia. Or did she now Olivia
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  Speaker 1: is dead? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace it was a
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  Speaker 1: sad but her warming tail. Little Olivia gat emerging from
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  Speaker 1: a limousine as bat Princess two years ago. She said,
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  Speaker 1: I want a battle with Batman. We're on a battle
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  Speaker 1: or so We're on a battle Captain Hook and save
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  Speaker 1: bell Inaria. The mother described it as a wish come
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  Speaker 1: true for a child with the terminal illness Olivia, fighting
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  Speaker 1: alongside her hero Batman attacked their foes. A go fund
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  Speaker 1: me paige set up by the mom claimed Olivia had
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  Speaker 1: a degenerative disease that attacks the vital Organs, another princess
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  Speaker 1: trouble about Olivia was reported to have been placed in hospice.
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  Speaker 1: Karen died in two thousand and seventeen. Little Olivia now dad.
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  Speaker 1: Mother thought the fight bringing her daughter to the emergency
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  Speaker 1: room starting at age two when the little girl started
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  Speaker 1: having trouble eating. Since that time, this little girl has
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  Speaker 1: been in and out, and in and out of the hospital.
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  Speaker 1: Then she dies in hospice. But now a disturbing turn
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  Speaker 1: in the story. I'm nazy, Grace, this is crime stories.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Listen to our friends
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  Speaker 1: at CBS four Denver. The Make a Wish Foundation made
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  Speaker 1: this little girl's biggest dream come true because it thought
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  Speaker 1: she was dying. But it turns out Olivia again might
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  Speaker 1: not have been sick at all. Her mother told everyone
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  Speaker 1: Olivia had an incurable and untreatable disease, but now investigators
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  Speaker 1: say Kelly Turner made it all up. She has charged
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  Speaker 1: with murder. According to court documents. Olivia was first treated
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  Speaker 1: in Colorado back in twenty thirteen and two thousand and fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: Her mom started to go fund me page asking for donations.
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  Speaker 1: In February of twenty seventeen, the Make a Wish Foundation
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  Speaker 1: granted Olivia's wish that August. She passed away. More than
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  Speaker 1: a year later, the investigation into Kelly Turner began. Olivia's
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  Speaker 1: body was even exhumed. At the first er visit, a
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  Speaker 1: doctor thought the little girl appeared to be growing normally.
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  Speaker 1: But the very next year, in less than twelve months,
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  Speaker 1: another sergeant at the very same hospital, removed this little
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  Speaker 1: girl's part of her intestine and inserted a feeding tube
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  Speaker 1: into what we now know was a healthy child. Very quickly,
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  Speaker 1: her mother, Kelly Turner, was presenting her daughter as a
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  Speaker 1: dying child with a list of various ailments and diseases
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  Speaker 1: and a list that we call a bucket list, a
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  Speaker 1: list of wishes. The mom seeking massive donations to help
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  Speaker 1: fulfill her dreams cashing a bad guy with Cobbs being
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  Speaker 1: a firefighter to make a Wish Foundation, even through a
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  Speaker 1: quote back Prince's costume party at a fancy hotel that
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  Speaker 1: cost over eleven thousand dollars, joining me an all star panel.
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  Speaker 1: Karen Smith, forensic expert, founder of Bare Bones Consulting. Jeff Cortesi,
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  Speaker 1: former special agent with the FBI. You can find him
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  Speaker 1: at Jeff Cortesi dot com Sharon Leko joining me. Denver
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  Speaker 1: lawyer also with me a very special guest who actually
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  Speaker 1: helped some of this little girl's dreams, the seven year
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  Speaker 1: old little Olivia now dead come true. You may not
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  Speaker 1: believe it because on TV he appears to be a
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  Speaker 1: gruff Denver Bill Bodsman who appeared on Dog the Bounty Hunter.
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  Speaker 1: But this guy, Bobby Brown, actually spent his time and
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  Speaker 1: is money to make this little girl's wish come true.
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  Speaker 1: But first to crime online dot Com investigative reporter Levi Page, Levi,
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  Speaker 1: how many times did this seven year old, healthy little
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  Speaker 1: girl gets said to the hospital? Too many times to count.
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  Speaker 1: Nancy and her mother, Kelly Turner, claimed that she had
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  Speaker 1: a disease that attacked the organs the digestive system, claimed
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  Speaker 1: that she suffered from seizures. A doctor that examined her
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  Speaker 1: said there's no sign that she suffers from seizure told
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  Speaker 1: her to quit giving her anti seizure medication. Her mother refused.
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  Speaker 1: She also claimed that Olivia had built up a fluid
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  Speaker 1: in her cavities in the brain. That turned out not
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  Speaker 1: to be true, and this little girl sadly died as
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  Speaker 1: a result of all of this. Her mother said she
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  Speaker 1: could not eat, she could not drink, so they put
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  Speaker 1: her on a feeding tube. The doctor said, she's not
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  Speaker 1: going to be able to survive just on the nutrients,
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  Speaker 1: so her mother said, take her off. They took her
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  Speaker 1: to hospice, and her mother gave medical employees strict orders
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  Speaker 1: not to resuscitate her, and she died. I just can't
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  Speaker 1: get over it, just standing there at your daughter's bedside
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  Speaker 1: and watching her starve to death. Karen Smith, forensic expert.
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  Speaker 1: I hope that hospice is tricked out with surveillance video
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  Speaker 1: to get all this on camera. You know, last night
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  Speaker 1: I made Swedish meatballs in the crop pot. I asked
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  Speaker 1: the Tuesday they want mashed potatoes or pasta? They picked pasta.
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  Speaker 1: My daughter and she's just eleven, Karen. All these little
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  Speaker 1: girls at her school they ate nothing but let us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah at that age, yes, Karen, I know, she's just eleven,
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  Speaker 1: and I know, and I call those little girls they
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  Speaker 1: let us bunch like Karen's. But yes, that's what I
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  Speaker 1: call them. To Lucy, not to anybody else. But every day,
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  Speaker 1: first thing they get in the car and say what
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  Speaker 1: was for lunch? To make sure Lucy ate, to make
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  Speaker 1: sure she didn't have lettuce like her other skinny friends.
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  Speaker 1: So long story short, I stand by them and make
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  Speaker 1: sure they eat. This mom. I don't have a problem
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  Speaker 1: with John David, you know, I've hide the candy from him.
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  Speaker 1: But this mom stood by and LEVI didn't you just
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  Speaker 1: say she ordered them not to give her daughter any
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  Speaker 1: life sustaining nutrients. Just let her die? Correct? Oh, dear
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  Speaker 1: Lord in heaven, I mean, Karen Smith, how are you
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  Speaker 1: going to prove that? Well, listen, They're gonna have to
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  Speaker 1: go back to these medical records. It's gonna take some digging.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what I don't understand. The death certificate has listed
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  Speaker 1: this little girl's death is undetermined, and yet the mother
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  Speaker 1: is being charged with homicide. So that first of all,
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna need to get that changed immediately. It changed
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  Speaker 1: the death certificate to matter of death homicide the cause
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  Speaker 1: of death. You know, I don't know if what they
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  Speaker 1: can list as far as organ failure or these intestinal
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  Speaker 1: problems that we're listed, but the doctors that we're treating
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  Speaker 1: this little Olivia are going to have to be questioned.
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  Speaker 1: The medical records are going to have to be gone
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  Speaker 1: through with a fine tooth comb and they're going to
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  Speaker 1: have to find out when she started bringing the daughter
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  Speaker 1: to the doctors. She was doctor shopping. They moved from
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  Speaker 1: Texas to Colorado. This is typical in these cases, so
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  Speaker 1: doctor shopping, Who was treating her when, what were they
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  Speaker 1: treating her for? How was her health before? How did
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  Speaker 1: it decline? All of those things are going to come
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  Speaker 1: into play, and the first thing they have to do
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  Speaker 1: is change that death certificate. The mom thanking the illness
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  Speaker 1: for money is one thing, but letting the daughter die
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  Speaker 1: is something altogether different. With me a special guest Bobby
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  Speaker 1: Brown Denver Bail Bosman, who actually helped the Olivia Gant
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  Speaker 1: family trying to make poor little Olivia's dreams come true.
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  Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our friend
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  Speaker 1: Karen Morphit at CBS for Denver. You could give me
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  Speaker 1: all the money in the world and I'll give it
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  Speaker 1: back to you to be able to watch this again.
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  Speaker 1: Their hollow words now, as investigators believe Turner's motivation was
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  Speaker 1: both attention and money. Multiple Go fund Me accounts show
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  Speaker 1: she collected thousands of dollars from good people, even refusing
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  Speaker 1: to pay local businesses simply wanting to help, including the
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  Speaker 1: cemetery where her daughter is now laid to rest. What
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  Speaker 1: has happened to us pales in comparison to what's happened
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  Speaker 1: to Olivia, So it's certainly not about us. It's all
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  Speaker 1: about Olivia, and we hope that justice can be served.
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  Speaker 1: Now Make a Wish Again was among those who helped
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  Speaker 1: make that bucket list happen. They released a statement that,
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  Speaker 1: in part says they are disturbed by the allegations and
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  Speaker 1: that their procedures for granting oh wish requires a referral
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  Speaker 1: from the child's medical team. Now Make a Wish goes
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  Speaker 1: on to say that as they seek to learn more
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  Speaker 1: about this circumstances surrounding Olivia's death, that they hope that
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  Speaker 1: granting her wish brought some joy to her tragic life.
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  Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. Dear Bobby Brown. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Kelly and I am a mother of three beautiful girls.
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  Speaker 1: Hannah is twelve, Sam is four, and Olivia is two.
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  Speaker 1: Sam was diagnosed with non Hodgkins lymphoma over a year
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  Speaker 1: ago and we've been battling ever since. My youngest Olivia
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  Speaker 1: has an inoperable brain tumor and a vascular malformation of
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  Speaker 1: the brain, as well as several other neurological issues. Hannah,
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  Speaker 1: my oldest, is a huge fan of yours as well
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  Speaker 1: as Dog. As the older sister, Hannah has had to
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  Speaker 1: give up a lot because most of my time back
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  Speaker 1: home is spent driving to the hospital four days a
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  Speaker 1: week for Sam's chemo and radiation, and four days a
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  Speaker 1: week taking Olivia to therapy, doctor's appointments, and school. To
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  Speaker 1: the last two years, things have been extremely rough, but
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  Speaker 1: Hannah never complains. She never gets mad when I say
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  Speaker 1: we can't do that, or we don't have the money
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  Speaker 1: this month, or when we have to cancel plans because
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  Speaker 1: I have ended up in the hospital or Olivia. I
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  Speaker 1: know that it would mean the absolute world to Hannah
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  Speaker 1: if we could just come by and meet Bobby Brown. Well, Kelly,
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  Speaker 1: I honestly think we can do a lot better than that.
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  Speaker 1: You are hearing the voice not only Bobby Brown, who
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  Speaker 1: is with us exclusively today, but you are hearing Olivia
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  Speaker 1: gat this little girl now did thanks to her mother.
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  Speaker 1: According to prosecutors, you are hearing Kelly Turner's voice as
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  Speaker 1: she's voicing for us in this video what she begs
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  Speaker 1: Bobby Brown to do. Now Denver Bell Bonsman, famed Bell
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  Speaker 1: Bondsman who appears all the time on Dog the Bounty Hunter,
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  Speaker 1: actually reached into his pocket and spent his time trying
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  Speaker 1: to help this little girl and make her wishes come true.
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  Speaker 1: Bobby Brown number one, I am so knocked out by
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  Speaker 1: your love and your generosity toward this beautiful little girl.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm also sorry you got ripped off to the
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  Speaker 1: tune of thousands, but I'm more sorry to find out
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  Speaker 1: what's happened to this little girl Olivia. Again, Bobby, how
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  Speaker 1: did you meet the mother, Kelly Turner and the little
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  Speaker 1: girl Olivia? It was a shimple meeting. I received an
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  Speaker 1: email and notification from them from the mom, Kelly, and
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  Speaker 1: she explained about she had and I was under the
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  Speaker 1: impression in the beginning that that at least two of
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  Speaker 1: the three daughters may have a terminal disease, and gosh,
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  Speaker 1: it just sounded like a horrible thing. But I'm Kelly
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  Speaker 1: was extremely you know, because what happened is that I
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  Speaker 1: got the email, so we had numbers to go back
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  Speaker 1: and forth to each other. So I so I'll give
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  Speaker 1: her a call, and I'll be honest, I get tons
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  Speaker 1: and tons and tons of stuff because I volunteered to
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  Speaker 1: do cold cases and uh, you know, so you just can't,
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  Speaker 1: you can't do it at all. But this case really
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  Speaker 1: really touched me by the way that that Kelly presented
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  Speaker 1: it and and I mean the mom she had, you
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  Speaker 1: would think that she was a a doctor from Boston
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  Speaker 1: College or somewhere, that she had all of these medical
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  Speaker 1: terms and explained to me about the disease that whatever
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  Speaker 1: you had, and uh and the fact that Aunt Hannah,
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  Speaker 1: her oldest daughter, was a huge fan of Dog the
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  Speaker 1: Bounty Hunter and and me, you know, I'm the McMahan
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  Speaker 1: of Dog Band Bounty Hunter them, I said beside there.
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  Speaker 1: But I was able to uh get with Kelly and
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  Speaker 1: make arrangements for the mom with Kelly and the three
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  Speaker 1: girls through a friend of mine here in Colorado Springs.
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  Speaker 1: I reached out to a couple of buddies to see
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  Speaker 1: if they would be interesting and helping this little girl.
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  Speaker 1: It was Christmas time and this family that was suffering
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  Speaker 1: from this horrific I mean, you look at these little
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  Speaker 1: girls as three girls, and they looked like Shirley Temple,
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  Speaker 1: and I mean that was the that was the key
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  Speaker 1: where they where they nailed me. Was I got. When
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  Speaker 1: I got to meet them and see them, I was hooked,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, I did it from my heart. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how many times during this entire time that
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  Speaker 1: we filmed this, and it was all filmed on video
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  Speaker 1: because we were doing an episode of something I was
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  Speaker 1: working on. So everything I'm telling you is all on video.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm sure that it will help law enforcement because
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  Speaker 1: there was a there's a lot of interview with Kelly
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  Speaker 1: and I and how she described all of this, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, and you'll see pictures of me with these
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  Speaker 1: girls and an arcade having a great time. Bobby, I
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  Speaker 1: have watched the video in full. Our friend, your friend
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  Speaker 1: and mine, Alan Duke sent it to me and I
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  Speaker 1: watched it in full. If it weren't for him, I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have known that you were one of the people
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  Speaker 1: that got fleeced. To the tune of thousands, we are
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  Speaker 1: talking to the Bobby Brand, the star on Dog, the
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  Speaker 1: bounty hunter who opened up his wallet and spend his
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  Speaker 1: time and his love to help this seven year old
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  Speaker 1: little girl, Olivia Gat now dead thanks to mommy, who
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  Speaker 1: apparently apparently suffers from munch housing by proxy, a condition
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  Speaker 1: where an adult invents medical conditions for their child so
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  Speaker 1: they the parent can get all the attention, the sympathy,
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  Speaker 1: the love, the admiration, and in Kelly Turner's case, the
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  Speaker 1: money thousands and thousands of dollars. But in this case
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't just fraud and a rip off. It ends
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  Speaker 1: in the little girl's death where mommy stands by the
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  Speaker 1: bed like a ghost, like a ghoul, and orders doctors
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  Speaker 1: not to put her on feeding on nutrients, on food
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  Speaker 1: intravenously to let her die. That's what's being alleged. You
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  Speaker 1: can look at Bobby Brown's a video at crime online
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  Speaker 1: dot Com. I've watched it so many times because I
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  Speaker 1: was looking at the little girl. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: this to see the excitement on Verse days. I knew
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  Speaker 1: that whatever we were going to do from that minute forward,
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  Speaker 1: it was going to be four people. When they came
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  Speaker 1: to put microphones on, I was like thinking, like maybe
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna be filmed or something. And then when I
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  Speaker 1: came down and saw Bobby Barren, I was just like
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  Speaker 1: like all excited and overwhelmed because I never thought I'm meeting.
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  Speaker 1: Going to his office was really cool because I've seen
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  Speaker 1: it on TV and I never thought i'd get to
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  Speaker 1: go in. It grabs people the reason that I'm not
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  Speaker 1: getting this pictures because I took the picture and that's
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  Speaker 1: why these are really cool pictures because nobody else has
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  Speaker 1: and showed me a lot of cool stuff. So I
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  Speaker 1: was just that they've missed court. Okay, so immediately did
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  Speaker 1: can we know? And then we call right here. Since
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  Speaker 1: Hannah gives up much of her time for her sisters,
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to do something special just for her. I
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  Speaker 1: read Hannah at a letter her mom sent and then
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  Speaker 1: had a present waiting in my office. He gave me
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  Speaker 1: some of the pictures that can't took like no one
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  Speaker 1: else has them. I'm decided to find out what else
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  Speaker 1: is coming. I just I don't know what to expect.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't expect that and it happened. You can see
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  Speaker 1: this video at crime online dot com where you see
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  Speaker 1: Bobby Brown trying to make this little girl living against
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  Speaker 1: the wishes come true and the mother, Kelly Turner, hovering
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  Speaker 1: around all smiles for the camera, but prosecutors say she
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  Speaker 1: is the one that caused her own daughter's death, insisting
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  Speaker 1: her little girl in her hospice care and then pushing
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  Speaker 1: doctors to stop feeding her till she dies. Crime Stories
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  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. In my thought, I says, no twelve
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  Speaker 1: year old would ever think my sister needs to die
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  Speaker 1: for change to my mom's sick. So I'll just do
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  Speaker 1: it my three girls and my heroes, and she's one
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  Speaker 1: of my biggest I couldn't have done this trip without her,
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  Speaker 1: that's for sure. You know. It's compelling to me to
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  Speaker 1: try to do something special for her, and what a
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  Speaker 1: Tian year to do it. Nobody knew that there was
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  Speaker 1: one big surprise left. We had arranged for the old
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  Speaker 1: Santa from the North Pole to be here at the hotel.
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  Speaker 1: It's so very nice to see you. How all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden they seem the real Santa Claus and it
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  Speaker 1: was just an amazing woman. Hi Santa? What good? Yeah? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: What did you get? How? My? Yeah? Okay, that's just
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  Speaker 1: breaking my heart. You are hearing the TV star of
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  Speaker 1: Dog the Bounty Hunter, Bobby Brown, a Denver bill old bodsman,
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  Speaker 1: who got a letter from this little girl's mom. The
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  Speaker 1: little girl, seven year old Olivia, the mother Kelly Turner,
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  Speaker 1: asking to make Olivia's dreams come true by I guess
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  Speaker 1: getting a signed photo. But Bobby Brown, the TV star,
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  Speaker 1: goes out of his way and he flies the family
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  Speaker 1: to him. And you were just hearing where who a
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  Speaker 1: child's wildest dreams would show up but Santa. And it's
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  Speaker 1: making me think of my children and how thrilled they
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  Speaker 1: are on Christmas Morning, and how much planning and preparation
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  Speaker 1: Santa goes through just for that one moment of joy.
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  Speaker 1: And then Bobby Brown arranges out of the blue to
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  Speaker 1: have Santa Claus flown in from the North Pole to
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  Speaker 1: surprise these girls, including Olivia. Olivia is dead, Olivia again,
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  Speaker 1: just seven years old, whose bucket list of wishes just
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  Speaker 1: breaks your heart. But a grid jury in the last
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  Speaker 1: day said this little girl did not die from a disease. Instead,
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  Speaker 1: she died of murder by her mother. Another thing I
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  Speaker 1: don't understand is when this mom insists that her daughter
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  Speaker 1: go into hospice care where she dies. The doctors didn't
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  Speaker 1: say hey, wait, wait wait, They just go along with
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  Speaker 1: her desire to stop feeding her own child. With me,
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  Speaker 1: Bobby Brown, who shelled out thousands to make the little
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  Speaker 1: girl's wishes come true at the behest of her mother,
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  Speaker 1: now called a murderer, Sharon Lycho Denver lawyer, Jeff Cortezi FBI,
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  Speaker 1: Karen Smith, forensic expert and Crime Online dot Com investigative
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  Speaker 1: reporter where you can read this and all other breaking
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  Speaker 1: crime and justice news. Leave I page to Sharon Lecho,
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  Speaker 1: Denver lawyer. Sharon, what does it mean that this little
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  Speaker 1: girl did not die of any intestinal failure? She has
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  Speaker 1: been exhumed and doctors are trying to figure out why
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  Speaker 1: she really died. Why did the doctors at the hospital
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  Speaker 1: go along with the mother's plan. That's a great question. Supposedly,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: somebody who has Munchhausen by proxy is really adept at
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: understanding and speaking medical language and persuading the medical personnel
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  Speaker 1: that their child is sick. Um. Oh, daughter, Sharon Leco,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I want to follow up on something you just said.
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  Speaker 1: Sharon Lyko, renowned lawyer in the Denver jurisdiction, just said,
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  Speaker 1: these typically their mothers, which is bizarre because that's the
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  Speaker 1: person you think is going to love you the most
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  Speaker 1: that have this munchhouse and by proxy. Sharon Leco just says,
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  Speaker 1: the moms know all the medical language. Bobby Brown TV
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  Speaker 1: star on Dog the Bounty Hunter. You said you just
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: said the mom taught like she was a doctor from
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Boston College, explain what you mean by that? And she
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I mean she explained how literally. I mean, she went
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: into details about how the eating disorder about her head was,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: you know, not the right size, and and and you know,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: in all honesty, I look and I swear, I bet
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  Speaker 1: I could not tell you how many times. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: not ashamed to say it that I've tried listening to video,
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  Speaker 1: watching that video and looking at Kelly Turner knowing that
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  Speaker 1: I'm pouring my heart out and not only regret one
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  Speaker 1: second of it, not one, but knowing that that woman
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  Speaker 1: was doing this on purpose, and she had plans that
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  Speaker 1: apparently she because she was already saying that the oldest
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  Speaker 1: daughter that she was having issues, so that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it just it is absolutely sick me that when I
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: look at this and she tells me and she cries
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  Speaker 1: and get ready a real tears or coming out of the
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  Speaker 1: the moms about how I did all of this and
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: what a wonderful thing. And you know, I guess the
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: only thing that gives me a little bit of consolation
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: is the fact that there were other TV stations. I mean,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: this thing kind of went around the internationally. I mean
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: that just this port a little girl and her bucket list,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: and but you know, I just want to say one
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: thing real quick, and that is that one thing that
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: bothers me tremendously. And y'all just touched on it and
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: gave some good reasoning, But they had a care shelved
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  Speaker 1: out five hundred and thirty eight thousand dollars on little Olivia,
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  Speaker 1: and it just absolutely And I understand that the people
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  Speaker 1: that have one that are into the munchhouse and that
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: they really they learned the technology and vocabulary, but I
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: don't know how you could. And there were eleven other
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  Speaker 1: doctors that looked at examined or after the autopsy, or
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: after she had been exhumed, and they did an independent
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: autopsy and they still didn't find anything wrong with it.
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  Speaker 1: So my question is who did all of these surgeries
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: to the little girl, Who prescribed brought all of this medication,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: and who helped precipitate, who helped ALP. Kelly carry out
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  Speaker 1: this bizarre mccop a plan that she had and you know,
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  Speaker 1: and they can call it a disease, I call it
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: a disease of money, and that it was greed that
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  Speaker 1: she wanted. This was her method that hey upon this
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: little girl, and it's just absolutely infuriates me and all
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: that somebody else. It's awful, terrible. This little seven year
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: old girl was told she didn't have long to live,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: so her mother helped her then six year old girl
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  Speaker 1: make a quote bucket list. A little girl was using
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  Speaker 1: a wheelchair and a feeding tea, but her mother, Kelly Turner,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: says she was a quote fighter and her last wishes
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: the gold girl wrote a bucket list with a sharpie
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  Speaker 1: on a lime green posterboard. Be a fireman, feed sharks,
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  Speaker 1: catch a bad guy with the police. And the months
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  Speaker 1: before this little girl died, the Denver Police Department the
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: local fire department made her wishes come true. Make a wish,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: they were a surprise and on go fund Me, mommy
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  Speaker 1: raised over twenty thousand dollars from medical treatment, claiming Olivia
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: was fighting a rare, incurable ailment and after years of
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  Speaker 1: ordering invasive surgeries in countless hospital stays, the little girl's
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  Speaker 1: pain came to an end with mommy standing by Sharon
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  Speaker 1: Leco What about all these doctors that went along with mommy? Well,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: that's my question. I mean, obviously the mother is sick
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  Speaker 1: to what extent I don't know whether the Munchhausen actually
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: clouds their judgment, whether she really believed that the kid
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  Speaker 1: was sick, or she's intentionally with premeditation deciding the maker
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  Speaker 1: kids sick and ultimately die for the attention. I don't know,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: well what times the premeditation, Sharon. I mean, this was
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: done over a long period of time. She raised thousands
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  Speaker 1: and thousands of dollars, There were multiple invasive surgeries, even
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: removing part of the girls intestine and more. I mean
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  Speaker 1: that is clear premeditation. Premeditation can be formed in an instant, sure,
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  Speaker 1: I agree with that, But whether the premeditation was actually
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: conscious or what was a result of the disease, the
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: mental illness that she has, I think is what's going
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: to be pivotal in the sentence that she receives, whether
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: she receives life or death, or whether she's adjudicated as
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  Speaker 1: mentally impaired and ends up in a mental hospital. Munchhausen
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  Speaker 1: by proxy, though, does not rise in any way to
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: legal insanity. For legal insanity, you have to know. Under
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: the old McNaughton rule brought over from Great Britain in
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: our common law, you have to not know what you're
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: doing is wrong at the time of the sent not
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: whether you're confident in Santchroal, but at the time you
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: did it, you didn't know it was right or wrong.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: And clearly she lied for years and covered her tracks.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: In fact, she was such a good liar to you.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Jeff Cortazzi, former special agent with the FBI at Jeff
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Cortazi dot com. How would you go about working up
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: this case? Cortazi? And I'm not letting the doctors off
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  Speaker 1: the hook. She may be the devil, but they were
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: bills above and letting this little girl die. Jeff, candidly,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: you know, I feel like Kelly's ability to speak the
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  Speaker 1: language of the various illnesses that her daughter allegedly had
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: was born out of necessity. Fraudsters need to be able
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: to speak the language and understand the triggers of their
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: audience in order to be successful, and she seemed to
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: have done that very well. You know, Ultimately, I think,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: you know, people want to see the best in each other,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: especially against claims of a dying child. But you know
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: that that large outstanding question remain as it relates to
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: the doctors. How did this go on so long? You know,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: it wasn't as if Kelly was claiming her daughter had
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: an unknown disease, right she was claiming specific diseases, So
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: specific diseases against medical testing which said she didn't have
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: the disease would be a huge red flag if it
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: was an instance where she was claiming unknown disease, we
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: don't know what the problem is, and the doctor said, yeah,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: we've We've spent years looking into this and found nothing.
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  Speaker 1: That's a different approach or a different level of culpability,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: a degree of responsibility the doctors might have. If you're
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: claiming publicly a specific disease and the doctors are saying,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: which minute, this kid does not have that disease, and
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: they don't raise their hand, the law enforcements, red flags
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: are gonna be going your way up crime stories with
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: anti Grace. Seven year old Olivia Gant's story was as
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: touching as it was tragic. People were told she was
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: suffering from a terminal illness. In the months before she
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: died in twenty seventeen, she made a bucket list including
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: catch a bad guy with police, so the Maker Wish
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Foundation and the Denver Police made her batwoman for a day.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: CBS affiliate Casey nc's reporter Dylan Thomas covered the story.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: When we saw her, she was energetic, a little shy,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: but soft spoken at the same time, determined to do
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: the task at hand, which was taking down other bad villains.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Now it turns out her mother, Kelly Renee Turner, might
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: be the villain. She has been indicted by a Colorado
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: grand jury on two counts of murdering her daughter and
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: multiple accounts of fraud for stealing half a million dollars
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: from Medicave, as well as twenty two thousand dollars in
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: a go fund to me page for Olivia. And that
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: is just the tip of the iceberg. You're hearing our
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: friend Barry peter Sen at CBS News, Wow, forget about
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: the money for a moment. What about the little girl?
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: She's dead with me Levipage Crime online dot Com. Karen
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Smith Barebon's consulting. Jeff Cortizi, former special agent FBI. Sharon Likeo,
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  Speaker 1: renowned Denver attorney to Bobby Brown TV star on Dog
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the Bounty Hunter, who spent thousands of dollars trying to
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: make the little girl's wishes come true way in Bobby Brown.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: But I'd like to hit on something that just came
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  Speaker 1: up a minute ago about her going to hospice, you know,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: and the you know, I was a homicide detective and
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: I was in charge of her homicide bureau. And one
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: thing that I can't put my arms around, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not like it's I'm on a guilt trip
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  Speaker 1: about Gosh, if I would have only known this little
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: girl could still be alive, sure, I would give anything
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: if that would be if that would have happened. However,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: when they put her who she was placed in hospice,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, you don't just drag somebody up to the
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: hospice and say here you are hospice. We all realized,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: regretfully both of my parents died in hospice, that when
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: you go to hospice, you don't come out. So when
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Kelly made arrangements through whomever to get Olivia into hospice,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Kelly knew absolutely she wasn't getting good any better, had
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: she lost weight, had all these things happened, Why did
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: she go to hospice? And knowing that when you go in,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: you don't come out, so she knew that was going
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: to be the end of Olivia. And there's just there's
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of you know, she can claim PTSD, she
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: can claim a lot of things, but she did a
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: lot of things with a lot of thought for a
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: lot of time. You know what, Bobby Brown, you just
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: gave the her fit closing argument for the state. This
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: is what we know. In the last days, the Douglas
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office has announced that Mommy Kelly Turner, forty
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: one years old, is charged with first degree murder, fraud,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: and theft for allegedly inventing her daughter's illnesses for years
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: before finally leaving her to die. It's a thirteen count indictment.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: This little girl dies at age seven, and before that,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: mommy put her in hospice, insisting that her quality of
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: life was so bad she should be withdrawn from all
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: medical treatment, withdrawn from all feeding, no feeding through the
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: feeding tube. Just let her daughter lie in the bed
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: and die. She even insisted on a due not resuscitate order.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Levi Page crimal line dot Com investigative reporter. Isn't it true? Now?
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Nearly a dozen doctors are saying that's not what happened,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: and that mommy benefited from all the attention. As a
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: matter of fact, mommy posts the daughter's bucket list for
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: her quote terminally ill daughter and it goes viral Levi,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: you're correct, Nancy. And she actually started a blog when
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: she was basically a baby and was blogging about all
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the fictitious illnesses that she had, and you know, doctors
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: became suspicious. And they really became suspicious after the child
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: died when she took her older at the time eleven
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: year old daughter to the doctor and said that she
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: was having bone pain. And the doctors that treated Olivia said,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: wait a second, something is suspicious here. They contacted authorities
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: and say you need to look into Olivia's death because
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: now she's bringing her older daughter into the doctor. That's
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: in my way. Who contacted authorities? Levits Holy moly. Then
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: she started up with a second daughter has just like
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: what Bobby Brown said that she kept referring to the
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: other daughter's ailments to Karen Smith, forensic expert, Bare Bones
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Consulting founder. You know, they exhumed little Olivia's body. It
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: takes a lot to get an examation order. What does
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: it mean to exume a body? Well, that's after a
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: body has obviously had a grave side, it's been buried,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: and they exhumed the cough in the casket. It's a
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: very delicate process. Now I don't know whether little Olivia's
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: body was embalmed. That's going to make a big difference
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: if she was it. You can still do microscopy on
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: the organs, you can still do some analysis of the brain,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: the liver, the kidneys, the spleen, all of the things
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: that would be involved here. But unfortunately the blood, any
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: type of biological fluids are gone. They're flushed out, so
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: there's nothing that can be tested that way. So what
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: they're dealing with now is microscopic analysis looking for any
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: anomalies in the organs, looking for any cancer cells, anything
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: that has been alleged by Kelly Turner to have been
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: afflicted in Olivia. And they're not finding anything. They're finding
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: nothing wrong with this little girl. And I'm just heartbroken
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: for her. For Bobby Brown, thank you for having such
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: a large heart and for doing everything, and my apologies
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: to you as well. Well. We know that mommy has
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: been arrested at a hotel in Glendale, Colorado. We also
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: know that Children's Hospital Colorado, where Olivia was treated, has
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: declined to comment. Boy, I bet they have declined to
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: comment because they got to figure out why they're doctors
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: and other doctors not just theirs, went along with this thing.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Jeff Cortes, a former FBI, what are the costs need
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: to do now to prove this case? I would imagine
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: much of the work has already been done at this
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: point to move toward this next phase of the investigation.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I would imagine they they've checked all their boxes, conducted
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: all their interviews, collected all their records, and measured that
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: against the timeline that the mother herself put online. So
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: she's going to create a timeline and a backdrop to
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: the information, so they'll be able to use a lot
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: of that as a collective in conjunction with the zoomed
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: body to make put forth third investigation you know to
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Sharon Leco, denver lawyer, very renowned guys. Sharon was talking
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: about if this mom has much Hausen by proxy, which
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: is basically you get typically your child super sick or
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: pretend they're sick so you can get attention. She was
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: discussing whether this would be a mental defect as a
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: defensive trial. Listen to all the premeditation in Mommy's go
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: fund me campaign, She says, a little girl quote daughters
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: added a new diagnosis to her already long list, in
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: addition to a tumor, developmental delays, seizures, autism, sensory processing disorder,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: focal cortical displasia, digestive issues, hydro encephalis. She goes on
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: her little girl now has quote nero gastro intestinal and cephalomyopathy,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: also degenerative mitochondrial disorder that causes her little girl's entire
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: body to shut down one system at a time, eventually
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: leading to death. She writes, this is a story about
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: a sweet little princess that everyone has grown to love,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: begging for money. Okay, what's the defense? Sharon leco mental impairment,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: which is different from insanity. So oh, I make that
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: distinction that it would be an impairment that clouded her
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: ability to make decisions. And it goes to whether she
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: could form the requisite intent, which was the intention to
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: kill her child. That would be the defense. But back
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: to the doctors. I'm really concerned that these doctors did nothing.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, why are they treating this girl when they
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: don't find anything wrong with her? Why did they remove
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: part of her small intestine to insert a feeding tube.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: There was a therapist that worked with her and she
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: was able to eat solids food, But yet the doctor
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: removes the intestine. One doctor said told the mother to
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: stop giving the girl seizure medication, and she continued to
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: give her seizure medication. Who prescribed it? What doctor signed off?
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Do not resuscitate order? What doctor signed off? I'm putting
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: this girl in hospice. I mean, these doctors, you know,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: they can't just live in some cocoon. They've got to
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: use common sense. There was a witness that was interviewed
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: by one of the TV station stations. She didn't give
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: her name. She was a mother who was going to
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: children's hospital at the same time because her daughter was sick.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: She thought something was wrong with Kelly Turner and she
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: tried to take action. She contacted the authorities that she
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: thought would help, and they did nothing. Yet these doctors
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: turn a blind eye. I mean, why would they treat
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: somebody just because the mother said this, that and the
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: other thing. They have to use their independent judgment. They
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: are licensed professionals, beautifully and eloquently, said Sharon Leco are
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: renowned in for attorney. And now I know why you're
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: renowned because the way you rattle that off convinces me
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: there must be a thorough investigation of these doctors. Final
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: word to Bobby Brown, who isn't just commenting or remarking
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: on this, He is part of that, having opened up
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: his heart and his life and his wallet to make
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: this little girl's dreams come true, only to learn it
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: was all a big fake. And now the little girl
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: is dead. And I will just say this match she was,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: you know, obviously when I spent all my time with
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: him was in twenty thirteen, and that's when she was
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: really getting this until he was really getting this thing going. Uh,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: you know, I just I guess I would just say
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: that I would think that the doctors would realize that,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: you know, they did take that hippocratic oath oath and
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: I just, for the life of me, I can't understand it.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: But just exactly what your previous guest just said. Why
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: why were they allowed to go? Were they allowed to go?
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: For the over half a million dollars go fund me pages?
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: And I will say this about the Make a Wish Foundation.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: They are a phen phenomenal foundation. I've really supported them,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I've done a lot of things, but I can't understand
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: how they got bamboozles. I mean, they have a pretty
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: good system. They've been doing us a long time. But
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: that's how good she was, and it wasn't. In my opinion,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: and this is just my opinion, she did this out
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: agreed out of money, out of a financial scheme. I
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: don't think it was the thrill of seeing her daughter
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: sick with munch house. I think it was strictly a
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: money thing. And I am not done yet because I'm
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: still working on that. I would like to speak to
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: the father, who we don't hear about. But there's there's
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: a lot more to go with this. But I would
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: never impeede with the law enforcement investigation, but I'll certainly
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  Speaker 1: share what I have. Well, Bobby Brown, you're a better
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  Speaker 1: person than I am, because I don't care why she
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  Speaker 1: did it. She stood by the b and watched her
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  Speaker 1: daughter die. In fact, ordered her daughter to die whether
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  Speaker 1: it do not resuscitate order from a mommy, and I
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  Speaker 1: will not stand by and be quiet while a murderer
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  Speaker 1: hides behind a fake ailment claiming she had a mental
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  Speaker 1: defect and that caused her to what cash those checks
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  Speaker 1: and live in that hotel and rip off nearly a
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  Speaker 1: million dollars from various entities, break a lot of people's hearts,
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  Speaker 1: but most important, murder her own daughter. As far as
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  Speaker 1: I'm concerned, she can wrought in hell, but I'll leave
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  Speaker 1: that up to the Lord. Right now, it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be in the jury's hands. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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  Speaker 1: crime stories. We wait for justice to unfold. Goodbye, friend,