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Ferrari Fridays: Inside the Bachman Collection at Mecum Kissimmee · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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As part of Ferrari Fridays, William Ross from the Exotic Car Marketplace
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will be discussing all things Ferrari and interviewing people that live
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and breathe The Ferrari brand.
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Topics range from road cars to racing drivers to owners, as well
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as auctions, private sales and trends in the collector market.
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Never, never.
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Hello everyone.
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Welcome back to the Ferrari Marketplace Podcast.
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I'm your host, William Ross.
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I want to say hello and thank Chris Neely from Ping Horse of Nashville
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for coming on, being part of this, and Sam Murtaugh from Mecu.
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Welcome gentlemen.
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How are you?
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Thanks.
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Good to be here.
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We did our first episode on John Shirley's.
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Ferrari two 50 GTO.
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If you're not familiar with it, I highly recommend hitting up Mecca's website.
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We are continuing our conversation here for the Mecu Kissame auction because
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the second half of this chat that we are having with Mr. Mely from Prancing Horse
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of Nashville and Sam Murtaugh from Mecu is the Bachman collection, which is just
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an incredible, incredible collection of cars of Ferrari specifically.
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These are some of the lowest mileage collector blue chip cars.
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The JLo is a very, very favorite color of the Bachman family for sure.
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But Chris is the one who knows these cars very, very well.
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He was the one that was instrumental in getting this all together and
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getting mecu all set up, I guess you could say, with all these cars.
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The other cool thing is it's not just these higher end ones too.
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I mean, he's.
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Started his love affair with Ferrari.
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Started with 3 0 8, correct.
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The very first carb was the 19 84 3 0 8 GTS.
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So obviously he has that soft spot for him.
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Yeah, there's no doubt how many Three.
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There's like three Oh eights.
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The three 20 eights and he is got the Quattro valves like, and you don't wanna
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say in every man's Ferrari and stuff, but Yeah, it's, you know, you have something
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price point wise, I guess you could say.
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It can fill any spot for somebody.
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You know, you have a car that's gonna be in the low six figure range, but
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you're gonna have stuff that's gonna be.
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Seven figures easily.
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F 41, 850 miles.
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Everyone's got 459 miles, an F 50 with under a thousand miles.
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Is that gonna break some records?
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Who knows?
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Oh yeah.
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And they have very low mileage.
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You know, I would assume that they service these things regularly.
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'cause a lot of these have super low miles.
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Yeah, they did.
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Actually.
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We were fortunate enough to service some of the cars.
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We opened the dealership in 2022.
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We started doing some of the service work because it was just
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logistically closer to them.
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And obviously I had a relationship back in the past with Phil and Martha, but
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as you know, the years before that, they had maintenance that was done on the
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cars that the authorized Ferrari dealers that they picked, and sometimes it was in
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Georgia and sometimes it was in Florida.
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But the cars were always maintained at an authorized factory store.
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The dealership itself servicing the cars.
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Is there a line older than this or do you guys have.
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Obviously your techs get certified and do a lot of, lot of training.
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I mean, do you have like someone special that handles the older cars?
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Yeah, we have a classic K technician and that's all he does right now.
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Um, he's actually doing the certification on Dana's four 10 s,
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so that was the old Carol Shelby race car from the late fifties.
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And, uh, we're actually doing the certification on that.
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So we have cars all the way up to modern day cars that we do certifications on.
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I mean right up until, you know, the very early cars of, you
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know, what, what Dana's doing.
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And then obviously all the way up until, I think the one that we just did through
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the shop was, uh, F 12 TDF at 2017.
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We just put through, you know, one of the big things, Chris, in regards to these
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cars is the Classifi case certification.
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What can you tell us about that whole process?
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The Ferrari Classifi K certification process is a pretty basic process.
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The vehicle has to be at least 20 years old or has to be a limited series model,
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be fully functioning and have all the original OEM parts, and then it passes
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through a pretty rigorous multi-point inspection by a Ferrari classic K expert.
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Then they go ahead and they send the package off to the factory.
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The factory approves it, and then by the time it gets approved, you get what they
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always refer to as the red book gets sent back to the owner of the vehicle.
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That's something that you guys are praising horse of Nashville, correct?
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Yeah, we actually do it.
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So like I said, for the vehicle to be eligible has to be 20 years old or a
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limited series, and then our technician goes through the car and he checks
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condition, originality and then, you know, depending on what type of car it
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is, whether it's a road car, formula one car, a limited series car, and
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that marks it off if it's eligible.
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The certification process itself is pretty simple.
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It's, uh, inspection.
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Like I said, it's a multi-point inspection.
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They check all the components.
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They check the chassis, the engine, the gearbox, the suspension and
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brakes to make sure that it's original to that actual serial number.
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If any parts have to be replaced or if they're damaged, they go
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ahead and they get parts that match the original specification.
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Even if they have to remanufacture 'em, they will.
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If it's a car that's obviously quite old.
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And then the certification is upon passing all of this, the inspection, you go
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ahead and go through the certification process At the factory, they have a
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committee that sits together and they have a pretty comprehensive dossier of
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the history and specifications of the car.
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And once it's approved, obviously you get certified and you get
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that certified stamp and you get the book that gets sent to you.
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And that's like then for the rest of the life of the car, is it
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something you have to be done every 10 years say, or something like that?
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You know, they, they recommend that you do it every so many years.
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They say three years, because here's what's happening.
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A lot of times the car gets sold and resold.
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My rule of thumb is this.
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If the car is with the same owner and the car obviously is lightly used, it's okay.
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I mean, if the car obviously gets sold, then you're gonna wanna recert
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that certification for the new owner.
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He's gonna wanna have an updated certification.
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In my way of looking at it.
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It's very similar to having an appraisal letter.
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If you go ahead and you have a home, you get a new appraisal, new owner,
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even though the house was done, you're gonna go ahead and have it set up for
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your insurance company or whatever it may be, and it really helps provide,
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God forbid there is ever a loss, it's fully documented what the car was.
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How many of these cars have classic K on them?
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On the Bachman collection?
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I believe there was 17 binders, if I'm not correct.
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Sam, is that correct?
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It was 17 or 20.
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It might have been 17 red and three yellow.
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Is that right?
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Or three yellow I believe.
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Yeah.
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Alright.
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What's, what's the yellow?
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It would be anything that was a limited series model.
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So you would have, obviously the La Ferrari.
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The La Ferrari Perin in the F 12 TDF.
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They would've been the cars that would've been eligible.
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I don't think a lot of people realize that then that, you know, everyone
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thinks Red Book, but there's also the yellow book that's something new.
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Yeah, there's actually a, there's a red book with a white stripe,
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which is for the competition cars, and then there's obviously what
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they call like a tailor made car.
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There's actually a gray book as well, so there's four
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different books to be official.
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They used to have a white book, but they replaced it with a different book.
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So there's four books now.
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Wow.
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That's spectacular.
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It really is.
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At least you know exactly that.
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You have something that's authentic adds to the provenance of the car.
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That's good to know.
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Appreciate that information, Chris.
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Good stuff.
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But I wanna jump right in.
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We're gonna just hammer into this one.
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I wanna start out with though, is that one six.
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Six mm. Because that's just an incredible car.
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You know, I'm a big lover and aficionado of the earlier era stuff.
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What's really cool about this car, and correct me if I'm wrong,
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Chris, that car is originally delivered to the United States?
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I believe so.
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Yeah.
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I believe it was a California gentleman that had the car originally.
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He did quite a bit of racing with it, you know, he had a lot of fun with it, and
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that's what people did back in that era.
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You know, there was a lot of road racing and there were tons of events at that
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point in time in the US You hit all the good ones, I guess you could say back.
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It was cool to see that.
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And I was a bit surprised.
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'cause I mean, back then that was kind of a rare thing.
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I mean, you had to have some deep pockets to bring a Ferrari over.
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'cause I mean, what did, um, Chinetti start being like the importer Like was
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that in the early fifties, sixties?
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He raced obviously for many, many years.
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He's a two time Lamont winner.
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Won it back to back at a close relationship, obviously with Enzo Ferrari.
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And then he came to the States and he was the distributor and the exact year,
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I'd have to look up, but he was at it for just many, many, many, many, many years.
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You know, he was obviously the go-to guy in New York City.
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He was the man, that's for sure.
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The next one's a very special car, 'cause a 2 75 GTB four cam is probably
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one of my all-time favorite Ferraris.
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But what makes this car very special?
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It's an alloy bodied car.
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I'm not sure the total build amount of four cams.
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I know it wasn't that many.
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How many were alloy bodied cars?
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16. 16? That's it.
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And that was just for lightness?
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Just for racing?
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Yeah.
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Obviously, yeah.
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The lighter it was, obviously the quicker you'll go.
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Was that something when you would order the car, I guess you'd say specified it
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or just kind of like they built it and then you were, you're lucky to get one?
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No, absolutely 100%.
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It was something that was ordered specifically and it took more time
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obviously than a steel body car, but there was quite the weight
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savings and you know, the lighter the weight, the quicker the car would be.
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Uh, it wasn't something that they just put off the assembly line.
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A lot of the cars were alloy cars earlier on.
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You know, as the years went on and their production increased, making the
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alloy cars was tougher and tougher.
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'cause it is old fashioned metal beating, you know, and they would pound it out.
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Did that car leave the factory in that yellow?
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Yes, it did.
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It is.
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Did that is an original, yeah, it is an original yellow black car.
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Wow.
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I mean, I, I'm a big fan of the yellow Ferrara.
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I mean, that's thing stunning.
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Four cams obviously are the ones that get compared to two cam.
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What kind of premium does that add?
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Alli body?
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I mean, gotta be like 30%.
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No, no, no.
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It's definitely, it's more than that.
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More than that.
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Okay.
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Oh yeah, yeah, for sure.
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Because a perfect steel body car, the first number, I'll start with a
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three, 3.6, 3.7 million, depending on the provenance on the vehicle,
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who did the restoration on it.
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And then on the flip side is.
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You know, you have one of the 16 alloy body cars and you know, the cars were
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driven and they were raced back then.
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So, you know, they, some of them got a little banged up.
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I mean, obviously they're straight now and the cars have all been restored, but this
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particular car does not have any of that.
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When Emiliano Torquer did the inspection on it, he's the former Ferrari class
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CK employee as well as Marco or Rigi.
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Both of them were Ferrari Classic K employees.
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Both of them will tell you that the car is probably the finest
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example that they've ever seen.
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For Mecu itself, I mean, what would you guys do, you know, when someone's
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got such low mileage cars like that, an abundance of several cars, do you have any
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requirements or prerequisite saying get service or do something like that before
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you guys will have across the block?
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Or is there anything you guys want 'em to do special for the cars?
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Not necessarily.
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I mean, obviously at an auction, typically, you know,
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the cars are sold as is.
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As we do help buyers with as much as we can from inspection process and help them
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be able to, you know, look around the car.
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Determine what, where they're at, obviously with whatever records there may
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be, you know, whether it's a bachman car, any car on the auction for that matter,
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just what's there for them to look at and, and make their own assessment of
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what they think they're getting into, whether that's gonna require some service
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after the fact, or whether it's been serviced or whatever the case might be.
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So there's no requirements.
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A car can be sold or offered no matter it's quote unquote condition.
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Helping to give as much information to that buyer to be able to do
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their due diligence ahead of time.
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That's why, you know, we very much recommend that you come inspect these
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cars in advance and, and do your due diligence ahead of time and get a good
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idea what you think you might expect to have to do after you buy it, if anything.
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So that's definitely just part of the process, right?
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When you're buying any car auction anywhere, we were just speaking about
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the uh, 2 75 GT four four cam alloy body.
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I'm always curious 'cause that's such a special car, but being an alloy
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buddy, that's a very delicate car.
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How do you guys go about preparing whoever's going to be
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handling that car at the auction?
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I mean, is there some sort of special people for that or, yeah,
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so we've got a designated crew, we call it the collections team,
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their role within the organization.
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That role is, you know, we've got our management team within that collections
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team, a group of mechanics, detailers drivers that are dedicated to collections
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like this, like the Bauchman collections.
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So it'll be handled by them.
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By our collections team.
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The display will be in such a way where, you know, people aren't gonna just
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be able to glom all over these cars.
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They'll be quarantined off, so to speak.
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They'll be visible, but then it's the only people they'll be able to access and get
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up close and personal will be registered bidders and they will be, you know,
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hosted by team members to be able to kind of guide them through and look at that.
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So it's not just.
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Open season, so to speak, where we're just gonna leave a car like that for everybody.
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You know?
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We'll have over a hundred thousand people come through the gates at Kissimmee
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over the course of the entire auction.
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So, you know, that's a lot of people, that's a lot of kids,
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that's a lot of families.
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So, I mean, we have to make sure that we display them and present them
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in such a way that that also at the same time, you know, allows them to
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be seed and viewed and appreciated.
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Yeah, but also cool thing about Amica Auctions events and really high level car
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events and car shows for the most part.
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Car enthusiast understand the unwritten rules of respect about other
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people's cars and property, but you get that many people coming through.
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We have to make sure we take the right precautions to, to protect cars like that.
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Exactly.
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I dunno, maybe I'm a just don't realize it, but of a small minority of a big fan
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of the 400 Eyes and the four 12 eyes.
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You are.
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I love those cars.
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Why?
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I don't know.
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Just something about it.
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I like the shape, everything to it.
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There's one crossing the block that's in this group that looks like from the photos
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that cars needs a little more TLC to it.
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'cause it looks like it's missed some panels or is that all gonna be
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put back together for the auction?
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I think it's gonna be basically sold as is.
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I know that we discussed that we were gonna try to go ahead and
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get it put back together prior to.
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But I just don't think that it, uh, as I say, worked out in the, in the deck.
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It doesn't need much.
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I can tell you that right now.
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For instance, one of our technicians could have the whole car snap
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back together in seven days time.
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Oh, really?
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Okay.
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Seven actual working days.
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It's not like it needs something.
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And that's, again, that's not him on high rush.
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If I put two guys on it, they could probably have the car put back
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together in just a couple days.
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But the gentleman that was working on it, I think that's the same time when
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Phil was getting quite sick, Martha was sick and then the gentleman just
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stopped working on the car at that time.
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She got quite ill in 2023 and uh, she passed obviously in early 24.
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Yeah, sad to hear that.
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The one other cool thing about that car is the manual.
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Yeah, I know.
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It's a very low percentage of those cars were made with the manual.
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The automatics I always thought was interesting.
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It's got a GM three speed in it, but the small amount of those that were
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built in manual makes that much better.
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I'm the odd bird.
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Yeah.
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It's one of five that were produced in that color combination with a manual
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gearbox, and it was one of 388 produced with a manual transmission out of the
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1000 294 400 eyes that were produced.
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So when you really look at it, it's quite a small amount that did have a
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manual gearbox, and like I said, one of 11 produced in that color combination.
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So out of the 1294 total, one of 11.
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It is a really special car.
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And for somebody that's looking just to go ahead and have a little side project,
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it'll be a great, great, great great car and, and the car, honestly, I love the
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car because of the color combination, because normally you would see those cars,
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traditionally they're in grays and blues.
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Yeah.
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And every, occasionally you'll see 'em in a black.
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You don't really even see 'em in red, you know, even in the earth
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tones, you know, you would see 'em in a green, you would see 'em in a
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brown, but not really ever in red.
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So that makes that car really special.
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Yeah.
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I think stands out.
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It is the last one produced in that color combination with a manual transmission.
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Wow.
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All right.
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In its own way, it's, Sam was saying it's another one of
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these last ones that comes up.
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That car in particular, it's, it's an opportunity car, right?
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So I mean, it's crossing the block.
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The car's there, but it, you know, obviously needs a little bit of finish
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work to get everything put back together, but that creates that opportunity, right?
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So I mean, like you said, you know, that car really trips your trigger,
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the 400 eye and like, but then you see it's like, well, but it's not done.
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But then it's that opportunity of, well hey, maybe I can get a great deal
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on this thing because it's not done.
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Typically, it's gonna bring quite a few folks like yourself
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that see that opportunity.
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Yeah.
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The final price tag of that car will probably surprise you even in
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the condition that it's in because of it's gonna create so much of
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that opportunity desire that, hey, maybe I can get that deal.
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And it's obviously.
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What we love about the auction process is he brings those people
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together in one place and then bid against each other for the car.
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But every once in a while I see a car like that where, hey, it's all there.
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But if Chris said it needs, you know, seven, 10 days worth of work by a
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couple of texts, you know, having that opportunity and some people
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like that to be able to say that they finished off, they put their DNA on
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it, they completed the car themselves, it makes it even more theirs when
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they do get that finished product.
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And it's kind of fun to see sometimes when cars like that do cross the block.
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Cool.
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Important car, but not quite finished, but the opportunity is there, which is cool.
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To your point, I think that's gonna surprise a lot of people in regards
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to, I think what that hammer's at.
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And plus, you're gonna have some people out there probably think,
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Hey, I can just do that myself.
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Right?
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Tweak their own.
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Right.
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That's right.
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Now we're gonna start jumping into the heavy hitters.
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What's cool with this collection is especially Fab Five or whatever you
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want to call it, having that serious Ferrari collection, it always starts
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with what everyone considers the first Ferrari supercars, A 2 8 8 GTO.
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Now, this one's spectacular, but the biggest thing is it says
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it's got 2007 kilometers, which is just a hair over 1200 miles.
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It's one of the lowest, it's not the lowest.
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I know of a few others, obviously, but, and this is the other thing that's
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very, very important, this car, it's a single owner car, whereas a lot
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of the other ones that you see that are floating around, they've had 5,
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6, 7 owners and they bounce between.
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Especially the European cars went from Belgium To France.
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Yeah.
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To Germany, back to Italy or what have you.
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Not that I'm questioning it, but every time that they fill out those odometer
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statements in other places, way back in the day, there was a little bit
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of a penmanship that went into it.
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This one, it's the original car, original owner.
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To find an original owner, one really, really, really makes it more
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of a unicorn than anything else.
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It makes it to me, one of the most special ones that I've ever seen.
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What options does that have on it?
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Because there weren't that many you could get on that car, but I know
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there's a few that are pretty rare.
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So that car has three of the options out of the four that were offered.
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The leather seats were one of them.
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A lot of people look for the desired inserts.
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This car did not have the inserts.
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It has power windows and it has the ac.
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Well, not that many had air conditioning either.
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Radio, delete, that's what it has.
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The radio delete.
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It was usually a lot of people went ahead and the radio was an option.
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This the car with that special luggage too, isn't it, Chris?
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Yeah.
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So that car in particular, there was only four or five cars that
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were produced with a secondary bag.
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So originally Kel Reto, who was a former farmer, one driver
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for Ferrari, he came to Edon.
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He was looking for a very small bag to fit in the car, just to put, you know,
17:14
an overnight pair of slacks or shirt or something, but something to carry in a
17:18
hotel and not walk in with a plastic bag.
17:20
So they created this one bag, this called the secondary smaller luggage bag.
17:24
They only made it for four or five people.
17:26
And this particular car has it.
17:28
I've never seen the bag ever.
17:31
Other than one other car, which I saw at Catalina a few years ago, but
17:35
I've never seen it with anyone else.
17:36
And the bag alone is super, super, super special.
17:39
Oh God, yeah.
17:40
Tacular.
17:40
Mm-hmm.
17:40
Getting like that just adds to the provenance in that car rarity alone, but
17:44
just the options and not having that bag with it just makes it stand up from Molly,
17:48
I guess You say all the other ones and.
17:49
To your point, I think there was only the one I was aware
17:51
of too that had lower miles.
17:52
But I mean, it's just one owner that kind of kicks off.
17:55
Jumping into the super hypercar basically has the same engine as the F 40.
18:00
Very similar.
18:00
Now there's not one, there's two two F Fortys in this collection.
18:05
They're gonna be going across the block.
18:06
They're super unique.
18:07
One's got 850 some miles.
18:09
It always got 459 miles.
18:11
So in 1992 for the US market, Ferrari made 60 cars.
18:14
And then out of the 60, a lot of people say which cars were made in calendar
18:19
year 1992, and that was the final 24.
18:22
So there really isn't many that were made.
18:24
One of these cars was produced in calendar year 1992, and the other
18:28
one was produced in late 91, but they're both 1992 at forties.
18:32
Like I said, there was 60 produced.
18:33
The one that has 456 miles.
18:36
That car was a factory delivery.
18:38
It has the EE plates on it.
18:40
You know, as Phil went ahead and received the car, and that car actually has
18:43
the original per LEP zero tires that were, um, most of the European cars.
18:49
His US model actually has those on it.
18:51
The other car has.
18:52
The Goodyear Gs A, which were super, super rare and you know,
18:57
you can't find them today.
18:58
So these cars, for guys that are looking to show the car as original
19:02
Belli stopped producing this version of the tire years ago, as did Goodyear.
19:05
Goodyear stopped producing them.
19:07
So when people see them at shows and they say, look, this car's original for
19:10
the guys that really know, they know because all the F forties look pretty
19:13
much the same, obviously they're all red.
19:15
Yeah.
19:16
And they're all red interior.
19:17
Exactly.
19:17
You know, you have the original tires like that on there.
19:19
What would you do to maintain those tires to be able to utilize them?
19:22
I mean, obviously you're climate control and that stuff, but what else can you
19:25
do with those tires so you can roll it around on 'em so they don't deteriorate?
19:29
So what Phil and Martha did, you know, a lot of times, like when you put tire
19:32
conditioners and different products like that, a lot of times they'll dry up the
19:36
rubber on the car and they knew that.
19:37
So that's why when you would see the cars, the cars would not have any tire shine.
19:41
I'm sure, Sam, you noticed that when we were there?
19:43
Mm-hmm.
19:43
The cars weren't all dazzled up with all that super shiny stuff on 'em because they
19:47
knew that that eventually would get into the rubber and start to break it down.
19:51
And if a tire was gonna go outta production, I know we're gonna be bringing
19:54
the tires and wheels to the auction.
19:56
They went ahead and they would say, Hey, this tire's gonna go outta production.
19:59
Let's go buy an extra set or two.
20:01
And sure enough, they have, you know, the extra rubber that, oh wow, they bought for
20:04
some of these cars, which is non-existent.
20:07
You know, you just really can't find that stuff.
20:08
I mean, that's incredible.
20:10
I mentioned earlier that the whole collection's going bang, bang, bang,
20:13
bang across the block, one after other.
20:15
Was there any conversation of like maybe separating those two just
20:19
because of the low mileage and that Chris was involved with that as well?
20:23
I mean, it's, you know, no easy feat.
20:24
We had multiple conversations with Chris and Dana and everyone that was
20:27
to set these 48 cars in order and you know, what order do you put 'em in?
20:30
Obviously there's no handbook to that.
20:32
Right.
20:32
And how do you space that out and make sure that, whether it's
20:35
guys after specific cars, you wanna make sure that they have.
20:37
Time in between what they're after.
20:38
And you gotta take all these different things into consideration
20:40
when you're setting an order.
20:41
And we took our time and, and thought it through and, you know, the order
20:44
that they'll end up being, which we have is done in such a way where we think
20:47
it gives everybody the opportunity to be able to focus on certain things.
20:51
And there's no super magic sauce to how it's done other than the fact that, you
20:54
know, taking, like you said, I mean, do you put these two cars back to back?
20:57
Probably doesn't make much sense.
20:58
You're gonna spread 'em out just a little bit so that if, if there is
21:00
somebody that wants to try and come after both of them, that gives them
21:03
an opportunity to sort of reset and.
21:05
Go after 'em.
21:05
That's a good point.
21:06
I could see one buyer going after both of them potentially.
21:09
Yeah, absolutely.
21:10
To mention too, I, you know, we talked about with the 2 88 GTO,
21:13
but both these F forties again ordered new by Phil and Martha.
21:17
Yeah.
21:17
One owner F 42 of them.
21:18
So, I mean, you're kind of three in a row with, you know, these cars.
21:21
It's, to me that's mind blowing.
21:22
I mean, you know, just like we said with the 2 88 to find one with one
21:25
owner, most of 'em have six, seven, bounced around all over the place.
21:28
Same with these cars.
21:29
Yeah, same thing.
21:30
The fact that one would be incredible to have two in the same with, you
21:32
know, the same owner, one owner.
21:34
It's kind of mind boggling.
21:35
I don't think we'll see it again.
21:36
In all honestly, it's an incredible opportunity.
21:38
Bill was so hell bent on wanting to make sure he got one.
21:41
I think he was working, correct me if I'm wrong, Chris, but he was
21:44
kind of working two angles at the same time to ensure that he got one.
21:47
Then they both kind of came to fruition.
21:48
Then he just decided, well, I guess I'm gonna have two, and
21:51
decided not to give one up.
21:52
They kept both allocations and got 'em both done and put 'em both in the garage
21:56
was, you know, to me that story was, I just never heard anything like that.
21:59
That was pretty awesome.
21:59
Best story, honestly, is, uh, the one that he really wanted initially was the F 50.
22:05
Yeah.
22:05
The story.
22:06
Phil went to the factory and got in town a little bit early.
22:08
So usually when he would travel, he would travel, you know, t-shirt,
22:11
jeans, you know, just good old boy from eastern Tennessee.
22:14
And it was the summertime and he went out there, he took a flight and he got there.
22:18
And he got there a little bit early and he was checking in the hotel
22:21
right down the road and he was driving by the factory and he saw somebody.
22:25
And you know, they said, well, why don't you just come on in?
22:27
And he was like, ah, you know, I just got here.
22:29
And they said, yeah, don't worry about it.
22:30
Come on in.
22:31
Somebody else apparently walked in the room.
22:32
They saw him and they made a comment.
22:34
They said, you know, next time you come here.
22:36
You better make sure that you have a sport jacket on and a suit and tie.
22:39
And he was always buttoned up.
22:40
He was really tight.
22:41
Phil was, you know, if you look at all the photos and the videos,
22:43
he was always looking super sharp.
22:45
So Simone said, uh, that set him off and he said, that's it, I'm done.
22:50
So he had a little bit of a war with him and you could see when it was.
22:54
'cause it was the F 50 and 95.
22:56
It was the F five 12 M, and 95, and he didn't get another car
23:00
until 99 with the 3 55 fiorano.
23:03
So there was a few years that he basically didn't purchase
23:07
any cars new at that point.
23:08
Eventually he went back out and he found those cars because people always
23:11
said, well, why is this one not yellow?
23:13
Or, why did the yellow F five 12 M have 5,000 miles on it?
23:16
I said, that's because he picked up that car secondary.
23:19
But the one that sold this past summer at Pebble.
23:21
That would've been his car, the final one.
23:23
Number 75.
23:24
Outta 75.
23:25
Really?
23:25
That would've been his car.
23:27
Yeah, because he was always getting, you know, the last ones at that point,
23:30
you know, and then it, it kind of took like a shape of its own, you know, he
23:33
started, you know, after that you could see it with every other car after that,
23:36
the Fiorano, the five 50 Barta, it was the last one for the us, you know, and
23:40
you could just start to see the pattern on how we started to get the cars.
23:43
So it, uh, actually opened something new up after that.
23:48
Now you, you mentioned F 50, that's the next one I wanna get into.
23:51
I know this is of interest for everybody.
23:53
'cause other than Ralph Lauren's that just went, this one with only
23:57
251 miles on it is incredible.
23:59
Yeah, it really is for what's going on in the market with those cars.
24:03
I mean, those things have just gone through the roof, so to speak in the past.
24:07
Would you say 24 months they have shot up?
24:09
Incredibly.
24:10
Yeah.
24:10
Really natural aspirated manual V 12.
24:12
I mean, it just checks all the boxes.
24:14
I mean, it's just incredible.
24:15
You know, only 251 miles.
24:16
One owner.
24:17
Yeah.
24:17
This one's actually multiple owners.
24:19
Oh, it is?
24:19
Because he purchased this car from me, Ian Poulter, and Ian
24:22
was the second owner of the car.
24:23
Nonetheless.
24:24
Usually what happens is, you know, obviously Ferrari announced the
24:27
F 80, which is the next car in the sequence of the supercars.
24:30
Usually what happens is every time that they announce one of those cars,
24:33
and it's generally speaking, every 10 years, you had 85 with the GTO and then,
24:38
and it was, uh, obviously 87 is when they announced the F 40, and then it
24:42
went to 95 and then it went to 2013.
24:45
As time went on, it's usually about every 10 years.
24:48
Then the LA Ferrari and so on and so forth.
24:50
So here we are, the F eighty's out when that happens.
24:53
Generally speaking, a lot of these people, the big collectors guys that
24:56
are new to it, they say, well, you know, you called it the Fab Five earlier.
25:00
Guys say, I want to get all of them.
25:02
Sure enough.
25:02
They want to jump on and they say, okay, I want to get all, all the cars.
25:06
And then they start to find, I want the best ones.
25:08
And that's why this Bachman collection is really unique because
25:12
what Sam said is exactly the deal.
25:14
You're gonna see two F fifties or two f forties in a sale maybe.
25:18
But to see 'em from the original owner with that kind of mileage, I, I
25:22
don't think it's gonna happen again.
25:23
I really don't.
25:23
I mean, and, and I've been doing this a pretty long time.
25:26
I've never seen these kind of cars with this type of mileage.
25:30
And then the uniqueness of the colors.
25:32
The uniqueness of the options, obviously the cars were meticulously maintained.
25:37
Uh, I don't think you're ever gonna see it again.
25:38
I really don't.
25:39
Sam, I'm sure the scuttlebutt you guys have been receiving has been that
25:43
one person trying to go after a lot of these cars at one crack is you're
25:48
not gonna get this opportunity again.
25:49
But this gets you the best of the best.
25:52
You guys have had to have some inquiries about, Hey, I think one person's
25:54
gonna just wrap these things up.
25:56
I, I mean, yeah, the interest has been incredible, as you might imagine.
25:59
I mean, as soon as we announced it, I mean, the, the emails and phone calls
26:02
coming into folks getting registered to make sure that they don't miss.
26:05
The chance to be a part of it and, and get their hands on things has been
26:08
from day one when we first made the announcement and, and just steady through.
26:11
I mean, it's, it's been great.
26:13
I mean, obviously I think Ferrari collectors, collectors in general just
26:16
are realizing the uniqueness of this opportunity and the, and the fact that
26:20
opportunities like this to Chris's point, are probably not gonna present
26:23
themselves anytime soon, if ever again, especially with some of these cars.
26:26
I mean, a one owner F forties, the one owner, two 80 HETO,
26:29
I mean that this could be it.
26:30
I mean, and to have this many incredible cars and this, these types of
26:33
conditions in one place to be able to.
26:34
Come take your pick.
26:35
I mean, it's, it's, the other great thing is if you look on the website, these are
26:40
all going off one right after another.
26:42
Yeah.
26:42
So that's gonna be an incredible three hours, maybe four hours of just blue chip,
26:47
blue chip, blue chip went after there.
26:48
So I mean, I mean, that's gonna be some exciting times in a room For sure.
26:51
And there's really no lead up.
26:52
It's gonna be a heck of a week.
26:54
Yeah.
26:54
I mean, whoever is gonna be up running the show with the hammer's
26:57
gonna have a heck of a time.
26:58
That's a career moment.
26:59
I mean, oh, that's all these in a row.
27:00
I mean, that person's just gotta be ecstatic because that's
27:03
just gonna be unbelievable.
27:04
No, it's fun.
27:04
I mean, and you know, our auctioneer team is to that point, I mean, these guys
27:08
absolutely 120000000% love what they do.
27:11
And, and they get so jazzed and energized by proud enthusiasm and bidding enthusiasm
27:15
and seeing, you know, what they're doing in their craft and, and, and help these
27:18
folks get their hands on these cars and helping be a part of that process.
27:21
Is really what drives these guys, and they're talking to them about what's
27:24
coming up in Kissimmee for everything we've got going on between, you know, with
27:27
the two 50 GTO, the Bachman cars here, and this is probably one of the, one of,
27:31
if not the greatest lineup of vehicles that we've ever had in Kissimmee, Florida
27:35
by far to see it all coming together is.
27:37
Pretty special.
27:38
It's already a special moment in the moment.
27:39
It has even happened yet, so I can't even imagine what it's gonna be like in the
27:42
moment live and when it's all unfolding, it's gonna be pretty incredible.
27:45
You're gonna have all those emotions, excitement, anxiety,
27:48
everything, all of it.
27:49
'cause it's just gonna be all, I mean, it's just gonna be incredible.
27:51
You know?
27:51
I, and I've been telling people, if you got a way to get there, you need to go
27:54
to kiss me in January to be part of this.
27:57
'cause it's just gonna be incredible.
27:58
I mean, just the atmosphere, everything, the energy is gonna be unbelievable.
28:02
Yeah.
28:02
I mean, I can't wait.
28:03
It's gonna be exciting.
28:03
Yeah.
28:04
Getting into rarity.
28:05
We're gonna talk about the Enzo.
28:07
I would have to gather.
28:08
That's the only one made with that color combo.
28:10
No, it actually isn't.
28:11
Really?
28:12
Yeah.
28:12
There was another one that was made, but this car was originally left.
28:15
The factory came off the assembly line with black interior.
28:17
Phil wanted this other style, red Daytona seats, so they were
28:22
installed at the factory and there's photos of the car coming off the
28:25
assembly line with the black seats.
28:27
The car comes with both sets of seats in the delivery room with the
28:30
red seats, so they swap them out.
28:32
So that was for homologation purposes.
28:34
But this car has some really unique features that no other Enzo I've
28:38
ever seen that has, it has the engine brace struts in the engine bay.
28:42
They're both polished.
28:43
The lower body color, usually on the very bottom of all the cars.
28:46
They had like a black trim.
28:48
Yeah.
28:48
That went all the way around.
28:49
The lower trim and the, the rear diffuser panel, it has the
28:52
Enzo Ferrari signature badge.
28:53
I've only seen about five or six cars that have that.
28:56
It's really a unique one.
28:57
In Jello for the US there were 11, there was 36 cars produced
29:02
globally, but 11 for the us.
29:04
That's incredible.
29:05
I mean, I mentioned before, I, I love the Jalo.
29:07
I mean, the yellow is fantastic, but having that red interior, I mean,
29:10
that just really makes that pop.
29:11
And again, one owner, 645 miles, again, that's just, you don't see it.
29:17
And again, to your point, you know, usually a lot of these
29:19
have multiple owners, right?
29:20
Yeah.
29:20
The opportunity there for one owner that's.
29:22
Magnificent in itself and just the demand for that's gonna be incredible.
29:26
I mean, it's just insane.
29:27
Phil was at the factory and actually got, they suited him up in, on
29:30
the production line for this car.
29:31
This is the one, didn't it, Chris?
29:32
Where they, yeah.
29:33
Got to kind of turn a wrench on the final stages of the build for the car.
29:36
So they got, there's a picture of him with a, wearing a full suit in the factory,
29:39
putting a bolt in the bottom of the car.
29:41
It was, it's pretty cool.
29:42
I think he's probably the only one that's ever had a chance to do that.
29:45
Yeah, I'd imagine.
29:46
Yeah.
29:46
You know, you mentioned the photo with him wrenching outta the line stuff.
29:48
Is there some cool items that are coming along with these cars?
29:51
Like for the next caretaker?
29:53
Yeah.
29:53
Well there was a book that on the lot of the later cars that Phil picked
29:56
up and he did a European delivery, there was what they call a photo book.
29:59
So the delivery sales department, they would go ahead and provide a
30:02
book and it was manufactured from sed.
30:05
Everyone got it.
30:06
And they probably did at that point in time, I don't know,
30:08
maybe like 30 deliveries a month.
30:10
And people would go to the factory, pick up their car, they would get a beautiful
30:13
book, they would take the photos, they would have a professional photographer
30:16
there, and they'd give this book to you.
30:18
So remember years ago, back then, the digital photos that we see
30:21
today, you know, they weren't really what they are today.
30:23
You would actually get an old fashioned photo book.
30:26
And Phil has a photo book for lots of the cars.
30:28
And if you look at all the photos, you'll see the same thing.
30:30
You see PB growing.
30:32
Their son 'cause he was getting smaller and growing, growing, growing.
30:35
See Phil and Martha, and then you see Simone, he was in all the photos.
30:39
So when you go through it, it's kind of unique.
30:40
So you get that and then you know, every car comes with its original stuff, what
30:45
I call all the tchotchke stuff, the little instruction pamphlets and all
30:48
these little things, which as time goes on, people take 'em and they're like,
30:52
ah, I don't need this little brochure, I don't need this little pamphlet.
30:55
And they toss it.
30:56
Phil and Martha saved everything.
30:58
When I tell you.
30:58
Everything, everything.
30:59
So there's just so much stuff.
31:02
I mean, that's what I'm gonna call it, is stuff.
31:03
There's just so much stuff that comes with every car.
31:06
It's amazing.
31:07
It's, you know, and it brings back memories.
31:08
Even for me, there was these little static stickers that I would stick on
31:12
onto the windshield about a missions.
31:13
People would peel those right off.
31:15
You know when you get in your new car?
31:16
Yeah.
31:16
There's like a, a sticker about an airbag or whatever it may
31:19
be, and people pull that off.
31:20
They don't save it.
31:21
They throw it in the trash.
31:22
He saved it.
31:23
He has everything.
31:24
You name it, they have it.
31:25
That's what makes this collection really unique.
31:28
And obviously, you know, we mentioned it multiple, multiple times, but it's
31:31
a car that has an original owner.
31:33
So to have an original owner on cars going away back to 84, even if he started
31:37
buying cars when he was 30 years old, you know, obviously he do the math.
31:41
I mean, he'd be in his seventies today.
31:42
So Phil was pretty successful and he started buying cars quite early.
31:46
He saved everything.
31:47
And since he was a car dealer, he knew to save a lot of that
31:50
stuff, whereas most people didn't.
31:52
And then as the years went on, as they started to show the cars and
31:55
take 'em to Concor events, they'd break out that stuff and people would
31:58
be just amazed that they had every little pamphlet, every little sticker.
32:02
You name it, he would peel off the sticker that was, you know, on the adhesive.
32:06
He put it on like a nice little backer and save it and he'd say, look, here's
32:09
all the original stickers that came on the airbag or came here or came there.
32:13
He has everything.
32:14
That's incredible, Sam, that had to been kind of, I mean, you guys have
32:17
archivists and everything like that too, 'cause you guys also deal in roia.
32:21
However you pronounce the word.
32:22
That had been kind of interesting for you guys as well to whoever's going through
32:25
it all to see all this material like that.
32:27
'cause you don't ever see that.
32:29
So it was a big task.
32:29
It's still ongoing a little bit right now, but just making sure that we make
32:32
sure that we've got everything that belongs to the car, goes with the car.
32:35
So to make sure that new owner gets that stuff.
32:36
But also in addition to all the cars and, and all the things he saved, as Chris was
32:40
mentioned, he also was, would collect.
32:42
Stuff, tchotchkes, Ferrari related memorabilia, things like that.
32:45
So his garage was full of that stuff.
32:47
So, you know, going through and making sure we determine, you know,
32:49
okay this award belongs to this car or this piece goes with this car.
32:53
But then also to figure out what was just general collected merchandise
32:57
to make sure that we have that.
32:58
Inventory properly.
32:59
'cause we'll also be selling that stuff off the following day.
33:01
On Sunday, we'll sell the memorabilia that was the decor that was in his
33:05
garage, you know, Ferrari light up signs and you know, flags and banners,
33:08
posters, things like that that were just there as you know, as any car guy
33:11
would decorate his his garage with.
33:13
So we'll have some of that as well.
33:14
So having to go through carefully and calculatedly to, to make sure
33:17
that we've got everything sorted correctly and what belongs to a
33:19
card that needs to go along with it.
33:20
And all that.
33:21
So yeah, it's been some work to do, but those are always fun projects to
33:24
be able to, you know, the discovery, you're kind of like an archeologist
33:26
in that regard and you know, looking and discovering new things.
33:29
And Chris and I were there last month and Chris kind of blew my mind
33:32
with just his photographic memory of all things in tchotchke Ferrari.
33:36
And I might drive by this little medallion and not think anything of it, but then.
33:40
Chris will gimme this backstory about how unique this little pin is.
33:44
And for me as a, as a, as a car enthusiast myself, you know, I see
33:47
thousands of cars all year long at all these different events we do.
33:50
And, you know, it's, it's, it's work and it's a job.
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And if some of it becomes numb, but then every once in a while you, you
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learn something new And it really trips my trigger and reminds me of
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how much of a car enthusiast I am.
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Cool.
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Some of these stories are that a little two inch by two inch
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medallion that's got a backstory can be a really fun thing to learn.
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As kind of nerdy as that sounds, there's, there's so much of that going on in inside
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the Bachman's garage was pretty amazing.
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Amazing stuff wasn't like these things were mass produced.
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Keeping all that stuff or collecting it and finding it, it's just huge in itself.
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Yeah.
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I'm looking forward to seeing that as well.
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You know, what was his intent buying these cars?
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I mean.
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Obviously he didn't drive them or maybe he drove them half a mile a year.
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Was it more just a passion?
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'cause they're just gorgeous cars?
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What was the thinking behind, Hey, I wanna buy this, but then
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I'm gonna keep the mileage low?
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When I would speak to PB about it, you know, he understood, you
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know, and obviously he had quite a number of cars as the years
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went on, so he can spread it out.
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If he wanted to drive his Ferrari, he had 46 of them in
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the drive at one point in time.
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But you know, he understood what it meant from an authenticity standpoint.
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You know, Phil got into doing the Corvette stuff.
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He did the Bloomington Gold stuff, and he understood that a car that
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was dead original and had super low miles, the value was gonna be even
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that much more so as a car dealer.
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He said, Hey look, we have to exercise the cars.
35:02
We have to go ahead and use them somewhat.
35:04
We just can't let 'em sit.
35:06
So they weren't maintained properly and they were used from time to time, hence.
35:09
How did this car get four or five, 600 miles over the years, but 20 plus years.
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And even if you take the car out for a mile or two a month, 25 miles a year,
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over 10 years, it's 250 miles over.
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You know, it just adds up.
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People don't think it's much, but that's how it starts to add up.
35:24
He really didn't drive 'em much, but he did take 'em out from time to
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time and that's why some cars have a little bit more miles than others.
35:30
But I think the real big deal was the FXX when he had the FX.
35:34
That was like his chance to really get out there and really run some miles.
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And he ran 'em and he went to all the events, has all the stickers of all the
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events that he participated in, and he really had a blast and he enjoyed it.
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Unfortunately, Phil got sick and had a stroke in early 2011.
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That was his first stroke, and then he had another one after that, so
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he wasn't able to compete anymore.
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But when the program came out in, oh.
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And all the way through.
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I think he was super active through oh nine.
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He was doing a lot of the events, I mean a real lot of the events
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and he was really enjoying life.
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Good for him.
36:03
That's great to hear.
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I mean that those FX X are just insane cars.
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It's cool that he exercised 'em, utilized what it was made for.
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Really awesome to see.
36:10
And what about like the challenge cars and stuff as well?
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I mean, did those ones just kind of a sip more?
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Was the FX X the only one?
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He really kind of went out and I guess they had some fun with
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the Hena Race Ferrari Challenge.
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So Challenge Rad is a road version of the Challenge Car.
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He had two different ones.
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There's a green one in the collection and obviously the yellow one.
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He put a little bit of miles on those cars, but again, not many.
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Very, very few.
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We talk about the LA Ferraris, the Parata, and the coop again in unique colors.
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How rare are the colors on build numbers for those cars?
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They're both specked out spectacularly.
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They're both really, really unique.
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The two most unique cars, in my opinion, in the collection are
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obviously the 5 9 9 SA apta.
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The 5 9 9 GTO.
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But to your point, you know the car that you pointed out
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plus the 4 58 Fish Alley Upta.
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But towards the end, you know, like I said, I mentioned it
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when we were doing the video.
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He was kind of the pioneer on a lot of this stuff that went on.
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It was just really, really neat stuff that he did.
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The exact number of the Jalo, tri Strato, which is a triple layer paint,
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which is on the La Ferrari apta.
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They made 210 of those cars, that car's got the black interior.
37:13
Obviously on the other car, on the La Ferrari, it was one of approximately
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500 produced, and they, uh, produced about 150 for the us But it's a
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super, super, super unique car.
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Really, really, really unique car.
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I mean they both are.
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To kind of wrap this up a little bit, you touched on the Ali apta
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and uh, the 16 M as well in value.
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Been crazy the past couple years just because the last natural aspect of
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V eight Sam, you guys have probably seen a lot of interest, I wanna
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say from a younger generation.
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You know, you're gonna have a lot more youthful interest in regards to
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these cars coming towards the end just because of how, you know, what they are.
37:52
You guys anticipate, I don't wanna say younger, but different demographic
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going after maybe those cars.
37:57
Yeah, a hundred percent.
37:58
I mean, we're already seeing it too.
37:59
And if the inquiries that we're having, obviously, you know, collecting
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cars is a, is a generational hobby.
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And you know, the folks, they're after nostalgia.
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What they remembered when they were young.
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When I mean young meaning when you started driving cars and you started getting into
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it and what you aspired to acquire, right?
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Or what you wish you could have, but you had no money.
38:14
At the time, there's a lot of that going on.
38:17
So definitely young in the down and, and by young, I mean, that could be,
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you know, thirties and forties young.
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I mean, there's not a lot of 18 year olds coming out of the
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woodwork for the cars, per se.
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Yeah, well there could be certainly with how the world works today.
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But yeah, definitely younger generations, you know, coming after these cars.
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I mean, myself personally, you know, I'm 47 or I don't think I'm 48 now.
38:35
You know, the, the F forties, the two 80 GTO, you know, in high school, those
38:39
were the ones I was drooling over.
38:40
That's the, you know, I had a picture of a two 80 GTO on my wall
38:43
in my room, you know, growing up.
38:44
So.
38:44
Don't do the trophy cards from my era.
38:46
Right.
38:46
So like, you know, guys in their, in their forties are coming at those
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things hard where, you know, even you get into the later model stuff
38:52
and it just keeps getting younger.
38:53
But in, you know, the one thing about Ferrari, whether it's the two 80 GTO
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or the 2019 TDF, whatever, anything in between, I mean, those cars really
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just transcend across all generations.
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Period.
39:02
End of story.
39:03
All the way back to, you know, even going back to that 67 alloy car I,
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the Ferrari brand is appreciated so much deeper than most that, and
39:10
that's really interesting to me that.
39:11
You know, the appreciation, whether you're 75 years old or 25 years old,
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I think it really runs the gamut.
39:17
But to answer your question directly, we are absolutely seeing an influx of
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a slightly younger demographic coming in, getting ready to, to bid on these
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cars and to, like we were talking about earlier, I think it's gonna be a bit
39:26
of a frenzy in the room and, and at the time, and, you know, whether, if
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you're not interested in buying them or you can't afford one just yet.
39:31
To be there on site and watch this whole thing unfold is gonna
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be a spectacular spectacle.
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I agree.
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And on that note, we could talk for hours 'cause there's so many special
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cars in this collection, you know, not just the one we kind of went in depth on.
39:43
I mean, it just, it's an unbelievable collection and you know, you don't have
39:46
to be a purchaser or a buyer to enjoy this and especially be part of the action.
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You got the wherewithal you can get to me, kiss me in January.
39:54
I think you definitely need to be there because.
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You're gonna have several hours of just Ferrari love going across that block
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and you're gonna see some great action.
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It's gonna be spectacular.
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I can't wait.
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I'm very, very excited for that.
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So I wanna thank you guys for coming on.
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I really appreciate that.
40:10
We'll see you guys down and kiss me.
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I'm sure.
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Chris, you know we mentioned before he's gonna have a special guest potentially
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coming down there too, so we'll see.
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Bye guys.
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I appreciate it.
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Thank you.
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