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The Craziest Child Support Story You've Ever Heard! Proof That The System Is Broken · Earn Your Leisure

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Speaker 1: Can you tell your story and that way we can
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Speaker 1: kind of get a good feel of how we got
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Speaker 1: here got it.
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Speaker 2: So I found out about my child support case seven
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Speaker 2: years after it opened. When I found out about it,
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Speaker 2: I found about it on Payday. Ironically, HR gets me
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Speaker 2: a call said hey, come see this. I go to HR.
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Speaker 2: HR says, hey, we got an income with holding order.
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Speaker 2: That was the first time I've ever heard that. Like,
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Speaker 2: what does the income withholding order? They said, well, they're
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Speaker 2: going to start garnishing your checks effective immediately. I'm like,
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Speaker 2: who's going to start garnishing my checks? And they said
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Speaker 2: child support. I'm like, child support. What do you mean
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Speaker 2: child support? They said, well, here's the notice I contacted
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Speaker 2: child Support. They say, well, yeah, there's Unfortunately, there's nothing
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Speaker 2: that can be done. You had six months to respond
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Speaker 2: and it's been seven years. And I'm like seven years. Like,
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Speaker 2: what do you mean it's been seven years? And she said, yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's been seven years. Unfortunately, that's nothing that can be done.
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Speaker 2: I then go down to the court speak to the
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Speaker 2: family law facilitator. They tell me the same thing. According
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Speaker 2: to Family Code X, Y, and Z, there's been a
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Speaker 2: default judgment. It's been seven years there's nothing that can
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Speaker 2: be done. And that went on for another thirteen years.
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Speaker 1: So oh all right, let's let's let's let's unpack the situation.
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Speaker 1: So you found out that you had a child support
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Speaker 1: case seven years after it was filed or yes, so
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Speaker 1: the child support case was fouled in two thousand. Let's
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Speaker 1: say you found out in two thousand and seven, seven
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Speaker 1: years after that a child support case was fouled, meaning
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Speaker 1: that you meaning that the child was already seven years
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Speaker 1: old at least, correct, So you didn't even know you
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Speaker 1: had a child.
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Speaker 2: So there, so we got to take it back when
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Speaker 2: you ask. So the child was conceived when I was
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Speaker 2: twelve years old, when you were twelve, when I was
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Speaker 2: twelve year What year was this? This was at that time.
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Speaker 2: It was nineteen ninety two, nineteen ninety one, somewhere around there.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so it.
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Speaker 2: Was a while ago. Yeah, so I was aware that
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Speaker 2: a child was born. Again, I'm twelve years old at
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Speaker 2: the time. I've always maintained like I never penetrated the woman,
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Speaker 2: like I'm twelve years old. We don't know what we're doing.
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Speaker 2: I know that she had a child, but here we go.
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Speaker 2: Now it's it's seven years after I turn eighteen, So
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Speaker 2: I now just understand, I'm twelve. From twelve to eighteen,
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Speaker 2: there's nothing. When I get to eighteen to now I'm
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Speaker 2: it's seven years because they started twenty five.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they started the case as soon as when
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Speaker 2: I turn eighteen years old. So when I, uh, seven
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Speaker 2: years after that, that's when I found out about the case.
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Speaker 1: So the child is a.
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Speaker 2: Teenager, yes at that point.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you had never seen a child before?
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Speaker 2: No, never, So when you went to court?
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Speaker 3: What what happened?
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Speaker 2: So now here's the thing. When I went to court,
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Speaker 2: there was no I took them to court based on
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Speaker 2: in order to understand that. So look, I tell them
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Speaker 2: they start suspending my license. In order for me to
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Speaker 2: keep my license, I had to enter into another agreement
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Speaker 2: with them. On top of the money that they already
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Speaker 2: started taking, I'm paying them an additional fifty dollars so
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Speaker 2: I can keep my license. But every year my license
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Speaker 2: got suspended. So for thirteen years, we're doing this dance
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Speaker 2: and I contact them one day my license get suspended.
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Speaker 2: I'm saying, hey, well, you know, why do we keep
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Speaker 2: going through this. It's like like I don't even know
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Speaker 2: why I'm doing this anyway, this fraud. And the lady
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Speaker 2: said fraud. Like, what do you mean it's fraud? Like
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Speaker 2: you got served? And I'm like, wait, I got served.
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Speaker 2: She said, yeah, well you got served. I said, well,
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Speaker 2: tell me what day I got served. She placed me
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Speaker 2: on hold. She comes back, I'm sorry, mister Tillman, we
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Speaker 2: do not have your signature. I said, Before I can
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Speaker 2: say anything, the lady says, but that don't matter. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: you volunteered into the program. I said, I did what.
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Speaker 2: She said, yeah, you volunteer the program. We had your signature.
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Speaker 2: She places me on hold, comes back and says again,
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, mister Tillman, we don't have your signature. So
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Speaker 2: from that point I knew that they were supposed to
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Speaker 2: serve me and that child support was voluntary, and they
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Speaker 2: said that I volunteered to the program. So I just
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Speaker 2: started doing research. What else are they supposed to do?
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Speaker 2: So once I studied their procedures, and that's saying forty
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Speaker 2: five CFR that's called the Federal Regulations and forty two
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Speaker 2: USC United States Code, it has all of their guidelines there.
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Speaker 2: So once I seen what they were supposed to do,
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Speaker 2: I just started I went to the court to get
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Speaker 2: the documents that they filed the gifts in the very
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Speaker 2: beginning to see if they follow their own procedures.
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Speaker 4: So, okay, you go through this procedure. But for the audience,
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Speaker 4: is the child yours or not? Because that's going to
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Speaker 4: be the number one thing everyone wants to know. Is
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Speaker 4: a child yours or no?
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Speaker 2: No, So now here's the thing. Even with that, I
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Speaker 2: requested DNA testing. They told me that DNA testing could
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Speaker 2: be done. I asked, They said, in order for DNA
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Speaker 2: testing to be done at this point, it has to
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Speaker 2: go through the woman. I submitted documents to her to
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Speaker 2: take DNA testing. She declined the DNA testing. So what
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Speaker 2: I did was I presented evidence and then the course
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Speaker 2: at actually said, well, wait a minute. At the time
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Speaker 2: the child was conceived, he was twelve years old. This
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Speaker 2: child may not have even been able to produce seamen
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Speaker 2: at that time, so there's no way possible that this
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Speaker 2: child could have conceived another child at twelve years old.
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Speaker 2: But the state just neglected this fact. So the court's
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Speaker 2: rule based on that that I was not the father
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Speaker 2: of the child.
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Speaker 1: So okay, so you're from Compton, California, you're from Common California.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Crazy.
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Speaker 1: Oh, so at twelve years old, you have intercourse with
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Speaker 1: a girl who's thirteen years old, saying she's a little
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Speaker 1: older than you.
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Speaker 2: I never penetrated her, just touched it. I never penetrated her.
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Speaker 1: You don't you lose contract. You keep in contact with
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Speaker 1: her throughout the years.
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Speaker 2: No, No, this I was twelve years old. She was
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Speaker 2: my cousin's friend. I met her that same day.
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Speaker 1: So just all right, so you don't you don't speak
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Speaker 1: to her again. No, when you're eighteen, you don't. You
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Speaker 1: don't know this, But she fouls child support on you.
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Speaker 2: No, she got cashade, food stamps and the benefits because
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Speaker 2: she was a minor herself when she had it. Okay,
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Speaker 2: so when they do the cashe the food stamps and
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Speaker 2: the benefits, that they go and go after the non
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Speaker 2: custodial parent to pay to repay this grant.
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Speaker 3: So there was a fall in the state and.
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Speaker 1: Then you find out that when you're twenty five that
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Speaker 1: you got all of this back child support that you owe.
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Speaker 2: Correct, it was twenty four thousands in arrears at that point,
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Speaker 2: twenty four thousand dollars, yes, that they issued out. They
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Speaker 2: didn't issue a four twenty four thousand to her. They
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Speaker 2: add on to ten percent compound of interest every year
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Speaker 2: onto every dollar. So your dollars are having.
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Speaker 1: Babies again and it's not even your kid, and it's.
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Speaker 2: Not even my kid. But but that we've seen it
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Speaker 2: many times to where parents actually take DNA tests and
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Speaker 2: find out that they're not the father, but they're deal.
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Speaker 2: They're still the legal father because they created a parent
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Speaker 2: child relationship with that child, or they went through the process,
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Speaker 2: or there was a default and now they're deemed the
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Speaker 2: legal father.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know somebody who's on like in
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Speaker 1: New York. I believe it. It's like two years. You
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Speaker 1: have two years to contest that you're not the father,
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Speaker 1: and if you pay child support and then like let's
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Speaker 1: say and yeah, three you find out that you're not
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Speaker 1: the father, you still got to pay child supports because you're.
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Speaker 2: The legal father.
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Speaker 1: So all right, So from an educational standpoint, when you're
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Speaker 1: going through this journey of educating yourself on the child
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Speaker 1: support system, what's some of the things that you found
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Speaker 1: out that Noody's aware of when it comes to child support.
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Speaker 2: First, I found out that child support is voluntary. Let's
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Speaker 2: just start there. They you have to consent in order
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Speaker 2: to participate in this program. To consent, it's a contract.
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Speaker 2: There has to be what are the fundamentals of a contract?
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Speaker 2: There have to be offered and accepted. They send out
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Speaker 2: a summons in order for them to start the actual case,
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Speaker 2: you must be given notice of Once you establish paternity,
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Speaker 2: there has to be they have to provide both parents
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Speaker 2: noticed by audio having putting on some headphones, watching a video,
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Speaker 2: or someone literally telling you. What are the legal consequences
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Speaker 2: of establishing voluntary paternity? What are the legal consequences licensed suspensions, passports,
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Speaker 2: income withholding orders, all of these things that forty five
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Speaker 2: three zero three point five says that at a minimum,
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Speaker 2: they must do these things. If they do not, then
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Speaker 2: paternity was never established.
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Speaker 4: For anyone who's because you've had the internet on fire
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Speaker 4: the last six months.
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Speaker 3: Why do you say the child support is fraud?
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Speaker 2: Child support is fraud because they don't follow their own procedures.
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Speaker 2: There's something called the separation of powers. And this is
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Speaker 2: not my opinion, this is fact. There's a Supreme Court
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Speaker 2: case law called Homeburg versus Homeburg, Homeburg versus Homeburg, where
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Speaker 2: child Support Services was found guilty of violating the separation
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Speaker 2: of powers. What is the separation of powers? There's three
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Speaker 2: branches of government, judicial, legislative, and executive branch. If you
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Speaker 2: participate in one branch of government, you cannot participate in
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Speaker 2: the other branch of government. But somehow child Support was
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Speaker 2: able to create their own family codes. That's legislative. They
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Speaker 2: enforce their own child support orders and modify this. That
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Speaker 2: falls under the executive branch, and they find you guilty
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Speaker 2: or have a hearing in their own child support administrative hearings,
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Speaker 2: which is they're participating in the judicial branch even though
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Speaker 2: they are administrative, and that they have been found guilty
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Speaker 2: of violating the separations of powers. And when they said
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Speaker 2: it's also unconstitutional. So anything that conflicts with the United
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Speaker 2: States Constitution, any state statute, or any state constitution that
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Speaker 2: conflicts with the United States Constitution is g noel and
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Speaker 2: void because the United States Constitution and Supreme Court case
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Speaker 2: law is the supreme law of the land.
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Speaker 1: So, okay, child support. Just some research. Thirty two billion
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Speaker 1: dollars was collected in twenty twenty one child support, right,
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Speaker 1: So it's obviously business is booming these days. For sure,
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Speaker 1: to say the least, the least to say the least, right,
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Speaker 1: And it's one of these things that I don't think
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Speaker 1: no one's ever prepared. If you've ever been put on
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Speaker 1: child support, it's like getting punched in the back of
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Speaker 1: the head. You don't there's no.
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Speaker 3: You don't see it coming.
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Speaker 1: You don't see it. Just give you the paper you've
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Speaker 1: been served, like Nick Cannon. So for for somebody that's
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Speaker 1: in that situation, right, And I don't want to make this.
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Speaker 1: I don't want because there's a very sensitive topic and
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Speaker 1: a lot of women, there's a lot of dead beat
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Speaker 1: dads out there, right, true fact, So what would be
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Speaker 1: your advice. Let's start for men that have just been
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Speaker 1: served and they and they're about to go through the process.
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Speaker 1: And then what's your advice for women who actually have
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Speaker 1: a legitimate case, have a father who's not doing anything,
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Speaker 1: and and they're going through the process? Got it? Well?
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Speaker 2: So first, I'm not an attorney, so I can't provide
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Speaker 2: legal advice, just my experience dealing with child support. First,
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Speaker 2: if a person was served with child support, the very
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Speaker 2: first thing that I did was, once I found out
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Speaker 2: what they were supposed to do, I went down to
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Speaker 2: the clerk's office. I obtained copies of the summons, the complaint,
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Speaker 2: the proof of service. I had a default judgment and
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Speaker 2: the actual order, because that's what a remedy is. In
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Speaker 2: order for child support to move forward and this case
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Speaker 2: to be valid, those documents have to be filed correctly.
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Speaker 2: It has to be under the Salidar court and signed
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Speaker 2: by the clerk thereof. That's twenty eight USC. Sixteen ninety one.
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Speaker 2: The person also has to be served if they're not
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Speaker 2: served correctly within three and a half years. There's a
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Speaker 2: Supreme Court case law called County of San Diego versus Gorham,
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Speaker 2: where it says that that judgment is void and it's
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Speaker 2: a naughty past president future. Anything that comes through it
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Speaker 2: and anything flows out of it is void. As far
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Speaker 2: as on the women's side, I don't advocate for parents
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Speaker 2: to not take care of their children. I just challenge
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Speaker 2: the child support system to follow to make sure that
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Speaker 2: it follows its own procedures. I said it many times.
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Speaker 2: I absolutely, one thousand percent if a man or woman
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Speaker 2: is not taking care of their children, they one thousand
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Speaker 2: percent need to be on child support. They need to
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Speaker 2: be on it. That's just that's just what I am.
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Speaker 2: Is nowhere around it. If that person is not taking
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Speaker 2: care of their responsibility, they need to be on child support,
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Speaker 2: then how does how does that happen? A person can
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Speaker 2: go down to child support services and start a case
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Speaker 2: and the it's a crazy there's no checks and balances there.
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Speaker 2: Because I was actually in the child support office with
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Speaker 2: my phone and a young lady walks in and say, hey,
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Speaker 2: I want to start a child support case. The very
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Speaker 2: first thing that comes out their reception is, mooufiz, you
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Speaker 2: got a sold security number. That is a crime. You
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Speaker 2: just you cannot prap. You cannot give someone's social Security
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Speaker 2: number without their consent.
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Speaker 1: To how do you? How do you? How do you
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Speaker 1: do a claim? Then if you can't give your sol
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Speaker 1: security number.
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Speaker 2: Well, you can provide any information because they have services
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Speaker 2: on the because contracted with the Social Security Administration, the hospitals,
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Speaker 2: the birth records agencies. So once they get enough information,
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Speaker 2: they can go on their on the back end and
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Speaker 2: they can use their services to locate that person. But
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Speaker 2: I can't just give you I in social Security number
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Speaker 2: and say hey, you just can't do that.
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Speaker 3: For the fellas that didn't have your expertise when they
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Speaker 3: sign their agreements, do you have any advice for men
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Speaker 3: that are currently on child support to get modifications, or
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Speaker 3: do you counsel in any way to help them that
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Speaker 3: may be paying a little bit too much or may
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Speaker 3: want to get some modifications in their current child support case.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So modifications. It's a tricky thing because anybody in
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Speaker 2: order to get a modification, there has to be a change,
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Speaker 2: a significant change in circumstances. So just say Rashad is
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Speaker 2: on child support and he says, Okay, I lost my job.
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Speaker 2: I go down to the court to get a modification.
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Speaker 2: I lost my job. So what they're gonna look and say, Okay, well,
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Speaker 2: mister Rashad, you made in twenty twenty three. You made
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Speaker 2: eighty thousand.
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Speaker 1: Dollars you have the day, you have the.
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Speaker 2: You have the potential to make that eighty thousand dollars
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Speaker 2: a day. So therefore you don't qualify for a modification.
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Speaker 2: You have the potential to make. So it doesn't matter
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Speaker 2: that the fact that you are you lost your job,
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Speaker 2: that doesn't matter. But the thing is, when you a modification,
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Speaker 2: that is also part of consent because you're asking a
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Speaker 2: modification emotion you're asking, you're recognizing the court's authority and
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Speaker 2: you're giving them jurisdiction over you. They have something very tricky.
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Speaker 2: It's something called a general appearance that says, for when
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Speaker 2: a person walks into that courtroom for any reason that
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Speaker 2: recognized this is the course of authority, you're giving them
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Speaker 2: jurisdiction over you. And the jurisdiction challenge is wave you're
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Speaker 2: waving all your rights. To combat that, a person has
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Speaker 2: to go in there and say I'm not making a
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Speaker 2: general appearance or making something called a special appearance, which
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Speaker 2: now a lot of states are trying to pull back
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Speaker 2: up from special appearance because it's costing the money.
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Speaker 1: So, all right, child support, it almost ruined your life, right,
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Speaker 1: you got out, You got out of that. But owing
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Speaker 1: twenty five thousand dollars at twenty four, that's that could
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Speaker 1: potentially ruin your life. And this story wasn't your kid?
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Speaker 1: Or what's some of the worst stories that you've heard?
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Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of people reach out to you.
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Speaker 1: What's some of the worst story because I want to
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Speaker 1: this is important for people to understand, right, because a
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Speaker 1: lot of people don't have sympathy for people that's paying
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Speaker 1: child support. They're like, look, you made the baby, it's
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Speaker 1: on you. I don't want to hear about it. They don't.
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Speaker 1: They had never been through the system, going through the
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Speaker 1: child supports. It's like it's like the pull you with
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Speaker 1: the riff raft like you with the riff, ye quit
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Speaker 1: the rack. It's like this. So it's like if you
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Speaker 1: are a real person, that is, like, you know, a
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Speaker 1: real responsible person, it's humiliating. It's actually very humiliating that
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Speaker 1: actually have to happen. So I want to kind of
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Speaker 1: I think this is important for people to kind of
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Speaker 1: have a different framework. So can you tell you told
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Speaker 1: your story, but paint a picture of how child support
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Speaker 1: can ruin somebody's life.
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Speaker 2: How child support can ruin somebody's life. So the first
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Speaker 2: story that comes to my mind is a young lady
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Speaker 2: and we had this conversation and I posted it last year.
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Speaker 2: She had It was a female, She had sole custody
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Speaker 2: of her kids. Her ex husband went and got on
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Speaker 2: a county and said that he has the kids. They
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Speaker 2: started a child support case against her and they start
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Speaker 2: garnishing her checks. Even though the children lived with her.
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Speaker 2: She he lived in a whole nother county. She had
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Speaker 2: to go and fight to prove that the kids resided
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Speaker 2: with her. And they even she never got served. They
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Speaker 2: said that they served her at a home. Her employer
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Speaker 2: came to the hearing and said that she was at
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Speaker 2: work on this day, and they said, well that doesn't matter.
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Speaker 2: It's insufficient because the process server certified under penalty of
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Speaker 2: perjury that they served you at your home. So they
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Speaker 2: wanted to modify it to zero. And you know, just
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Speaker 2: from the education that I provided and my guy want
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Speaker 2: credit God provided. She was like, look, I don't want
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Speaker 2: no modification, I want it actually dismissed. So they end
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Speaker 2: up dismissing her case. But these are some of the
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Speaker 2: some of the horror stories. To one guy, he was
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Speaker 2: put on child support at five years old.
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Speaker 3: What what.
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Speaker 2: I buy? Crap?
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Speaker 1: You not? Oh?
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Speaker 2: When you look, when you look at his original summons,
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Speaker 2: it has his birthday saying he has been on child
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Speaker 2: support since he was five years old. Now obviously this
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Speaker 2: was a clerical mistake, but they have it on his
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Speaker 2: record that he's been on child support since five years oh,
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Speaker 2: and they've been charging him and charging him and they
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Speaker 2: will not correct it at all. People that been incarcerated
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Speaker 2: said that they were served personally where they was in
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Speaker 2: the FEDS. One of my guys.
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Speaker 1: He just got his.
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Speaker 2: Case dismissed in December. He was on child support for
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Speaker 2: twenty three years, suspended his licensed bank levies, all of
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Speaker 2: these things. He was incarcerated when they said that they
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Speaker 2: actually served him personally. He went in, he took one
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Speaker 2: of my master classes. We looked at the go in.
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Speaker 2: They dismissed his case after twenty three years. Even in
19:39
Speaker 2: my situation, the process servers said that they served me,
19:44
Speaker 2: which I later proved they served me at a vacant house.
19:49
Speaker 2: The house was vacant. I had to sabena Los Angeles
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Speaker 2: County Department and Water and Power to come testify on
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Speaker 2: my behalf. So I made LA County testify against La
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Speaker 2: County to say, look on this date, at this time,
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Speaker 2: we didn't even have no service there. They don't care
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Speaker 2: why because they get incentivized on the back end. So
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Speaker 2: what was the number, Well, what.
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Speaker 3: Are the incentives?
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Speaker 1: Thirty three billion, thirty thirty two.
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Speaker 2: But was that the incentives or is that just the
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Speaker 2: money that they collected.
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Speaker 1: That's the money they collected.
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Speaker 2: So but here's the thing on top of that, based
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Speaker 2: on their performance, is forty two USC six fifty eight
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Speaker 2: A incentive payments to states. The states get incentivized on
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Speaker 2: the back end based on their performance or how much
20:36
Speaker 2: they collect child support. They get an actual kickback. So
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Speaker 2: how can you get a fair trial underdue process in
20:42
Speaker 2: the state here where the states are getting the kickback
20:45
Speaker 2: based on their performance to put you on child support
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Speaker 2: in the first place, how.
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Speaker 3: It's almost like a mutual fund.
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Speaker 1: Come on now, yeah, to keep.
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Speaker 4: Them titlements off the state. And your opinion is child
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Speaker 4: support fair for the child? Lot of men often have
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Speaker 4: a complaint that will I pay child support but most
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Speaker 4: of it isn't going to my kid.
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Speaker 3: What insight or advice do you have for the men
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Speaker 3: to feel that?
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Speaker 2: Well, and this is not even my opinion. I just
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Speaker 2: stick straight to the facts. There's a Supreme Court case
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Speaker 2: and I hate to be the Supreme Court case law guy,
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Speaker 2: but it's there. It's a Supreme Court case law called
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Speaker 2: Blessing versus Freestone. Well, five women from Arizona that was
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Speaker 2: their children were on the county and they were only
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Speaker 2: getting a small portion of the money. And they're like, well,
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Speaker 2: where is all the money going my husband or my
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Speaker 2: ex st They take in thousands and thousands, but I'm
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Speaker 2: only getting hundreds. Where's all the money going child support said, look,
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Speaker 2: that's not your money, that's our money child. So they
21:47
Speaker 2: actually told on themselves to keep the money. So they
21:50
Speaker 2: said and Blessing versus Freestone. Child support services themselves said
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Speaker 2: child support was never intended to benefit the child nor
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Speaker 2: the custodial parent. It was intended to benefit the state.
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Speaker 2: And in that case, they also said that there's no
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Speaker 2: entitlement to child support. There's no constitutional right to child
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Speaker 2: support at all. So this is not my opinion, this
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Speaker 2: is fact. These are all researchable googleble facts. You can
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Speaker 2: find it.