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The Kenny Report | 12 March · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks Rosa and thank you for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 3: The Iran War, sparks of fuel crisis across Australia. Senator
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  Speaker 3: Justina Nampa, jipper Price will join me, the Labor Minister
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  Speaker 3: who backs national values and Australia Day Julian Hill.
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  Speaker 1: He'll join me too.
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  Speaker 3: The Iranian women's soccer players and how some refuse to
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  Speaker 3: see the threat they face. I'll look at what next
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  Speaker 3: in Iran and the Middle East too, with Jiji Foster
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  Speaker 3: on the economic consequences, Robbo on Footy's Footy Paid no
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  Speaker 3: Starters and Tim and Mark will make sense of a
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  Speaker 3: crazy world.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 3: The Albanezy government's chaos and mismanagement of national security and
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  Speaker 3: social cohesion continues with Dennis Richardson quitting the Bondai Beach
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  Speaker 3: massacre Royal Commission. Richardson has been our chief spy running Asier.
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  Speaker 3: He's also headed Foreign Affairs and Defense, and he's been
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  Speaker 3: ambassador in Washington. I've worked with him in most of
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  Speaker 3: those roles and he's the business. He was already reviewing
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  Speaker 3: the security and intelligence performance in the lead up to
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  Speaker 3: Bondi when Anthony Albaneze he finally caved in and ordered
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  Speaker 3: a Royal commission. But instead of leaving Richardson to do
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  Speaker 3: his review or making him a joint Royal Commissioner, the
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  Speaker 3: government wrapped his review into the Royal Commission.
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  Speaker 1: This devalues it.
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  Speaker 3: It means his work just feeds into the Royal Commission
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  Speaker 3: for others to assess.
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  Speaker 1: So he's walked very simply.
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  Speaker 4: I felt I was the fifth wheel. It's a very
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  Speaker 4: legally driven process. This is simply the way a Royal
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  Speaker 4: Commission works. And quite frankly, I didn't believe that I
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  Speaker 4: was adding a lot to the value. Indeed, I felt
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  Speaker 4: that the contribution I could make was over time being limited.
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  Speaker 1: This is a big worry.
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  Speaker 3: Richardson is the best qualified person to look at all this.
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  Speaker 3: He should have been made a joint Royal Commissioner in
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  Speaker 3: my view, or he should have completed his reports separately.
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  Speaker 3: This is another chapter in the government's mismanagement of national security,
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  Speaker 3: foreign policy, social cohesion and the combating of anti Semitism
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  Speaker 3: and Islamist extremism since October seventh, twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 5: This is a disaster for the credibility of the Royal
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  Speaker 5: commissions and ultimately its findings and recommendations. A massive shadow
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  Speaker 5: has been cast over the Royal Commission now.
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  Speaker 3: Richardson, to be fair, has expressed faith in the Royal
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  Speaker 3: Commission process, but he stresses to that any recommendations about
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  Speaker 3: national security should go straight to the government as soon
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  Speaker 3: as the Royal Commission decides on them, not be left
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  Speaker 3: until the inquiry concludes. Importantly, In an interview to be
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  Speaker 3: aired tonight with Sharry Markson, Richardson confirms what is obvious
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  Speaker 3: to you and me and has been for more than
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  Speaker 3: two years. That is that this country did not do
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  Speaker 3: enough to stamp out anti Semitism and Islamist extremism after
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  Speaker 3: October the seventh, in the more than two years leading
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  Speaker 3: up to the Bondai massacre.
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  Speaker 4: I think what you say there, should we have all
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  Speaker 4: done more? The answer to that is yet and did
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  Speaker 4: did everyone fully understand what was unfolding?
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  Speaker 6: No?
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 4: I think at senior levels in agencies, I think there's
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  Speaker 4: a very good understanding of the issues that you go
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  Speaker 4: to right through agencies and organizations. Of course, you get
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  Speaker 4: mixed views and you don't always have proper understanding. Universities,
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  Speaker 4: I scratch my head over that. I don't understand how
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  Speaker 4: you can have children on university campuses chanting death to
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  Speaker 4: Israel or whatever nonsense rubbish and vile they were chanting.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how that can happen. And I think,
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  Speaker 4: I think right across the community we have been a
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  Speaker 4: bit too slow in calling it out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that full interview with Dennis Richardson tonight on Sharry
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  Speaker 3: at eight o'clock.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, I sometimes feel like I've been.
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  Speaker 3: Saying little else every day since those atrocities in southern
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  Speaker 3: Israel and seeing how they were celebrated by Isamus here
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  Speaker 3: the very day afterwards, and as if to sheet home
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  Speaker 3: what's at stake here, there are revelations today that a
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  Speaker 3: primary school child in a Sydney State school celebrated the
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  Speaker 3: massacre of fifteen people at Bondai last December, the day
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  Speaker 3: after Australia's worst terrorist attack, a child celebrated at school
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  Speaker 3: in the same city.
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  Speaker 1: Just ponder that.
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  Speaker 3: Now, as shocking as this is, are we really surprised?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, back on October the eighth, twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 3: when Shaik Ibrahim Dedun and others rejoiced in the slaughter
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  Speaker 3: of Israelis, they celebrated on the streets of Sydney. Well,
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  Speaker 3: they're among them with their parents were children, and there
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  Speaker 3: have been plenty of children at the endless anti Israeli
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  Speaker 3: protests ever since. When hatred is preached, guess what it
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  Speaker 3: breeds hatred. And our governments and authorities have simply been
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  Speaker 3: too timid for too long, and they've failed to properly
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  Speaker 3: combat Islamist extremism and anti Semitism, and they still don't
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  Speaker 3: seem to know what they're doing.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about tax.
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  Speaker 3: We pay too much of it and governments never spend
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  Speaker 3: it wisely enough that we think we ought to be
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  Speaker 3: paying any more. As the late Kerry Packer once famously
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  Speaker 3: expressed it.
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  Speaker 1: Now, of course I am minimizing my tax.
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  Speaker 6: And if anybody in this country doesn't minimize their tax,
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  Speaker 6: they want their head room.
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  Speaker 4: Because I at a government, I can tell you you're
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  Speaker 4: not spending it that well that we should be donating extra.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 3: The latest champion for tax reform is the MP for
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  Speaker 3: the electorate where Peter, where Kerry Packer used to live.
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  Speaker 3: It's the richest electorate in the country. Allegra Spender is
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  Speaker 3: the multimillionaire TiAl MP who reckons she's on your side.
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  Speaker 7: E's for Allegras all earn one hundred k Allegra a
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  Speaker 7: earned to income from wages and pays twenty three thousand
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  Speaker 7: dollars in taxes. Allegra b earn to income from capital
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  Speaker 7: gains and pays seven thousand dollars worth of tax. Allegracy
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  Speaker 7: split her income through a trust and shares it with
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  Speaker 7: their partner and pays thirteen thousand dollars in tax Allegrad
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  Speaker 7: who's retired, earns to income from super and pays no tax. Now,
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  Speaker 7: they're good reasons why you may pay different taxes on
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  Speaker 7: the same income. But I don't think we've got the
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  Speaker 7: balance quite right.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, couple of problems there first, which Allegra do you believe?
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  Speaker 1: But really, as.
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  Speaker 3: A til MP spender can't do anything about this. She
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  Speaker 3: only helps to keep Labor and the Greens in power,
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  Speaker 3: and she has no influence on their policies or the coalitions,
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  Speaker 3: so she might as well be in a debating club.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, the aptly named spender doesn't seem
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  Speaker 3: to have a problem with the unprecedented levels of government
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  Speaker 3: spending that will keep our taxes too high for longer.
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  Speaker 3: And she also supports the indirect taxes pushing up our
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  Speaker 3: power prices. But also if Spender wants to focus on
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  Speaker 3: how hard it is for young people to get into
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  Speaker 3: the housing market and how the tax system is unfair,
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  Speaker 3: isn't it a little hypocritical or at least embarrassing to
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  Speaker 3: see that Spender and her husband own at least four properties,
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  Speaker 3: and that her assets are spread across a dozen or
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  Speaker 3: more companies and a handful of family trusts and a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of companies for which she is a director. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: she's wealthy beyond the dreams of most Australians. Good on her,
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  Speaker 3: but when you look at her complex web of companies
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  Speaker 3: and trusts, one of its functions must be to minimize
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  Speaker 3: the tax payable. Clearly she knows the taxes them very well,
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  Speaker 3: but nobody should fall for the pretense that she can
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  Speaker 3: cut taxes for anyone else.
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  Speaker 1: Just on the Iranian women's.
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  Speaker 3: Soccer players, Six have received asylum in Australia, as you know, well,
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  Speaker 3: seven actually received it and one has changed her mind.
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  Speaker 3: The rest branded wartime traitors are still heading home.
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  Speaker 1: Now. You and I know what their main worry is.
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  Speaker 3: It's the threat of a theocratic Islamist dictatorship that routinely
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  Speaker 3: persecutes all women and could take out vengeance on them.
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  Speaker 3: But listen to this Green senator talk about what they face.
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  Speaker 8: The brave Iranian women footballers who have been in this
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  Speaker 8: country and face real potential persecution if they were to
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  Speaker 8: not just persecution from their own regime, but if they're
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  Speaker 8: sent back to Iran, they could literally be sent back
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  Speaker 8: to Iran and they could be killed by US, US
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  Speaker 8: bombs or Israeli bombs.
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  Speaker 3: Really, that's the threat, being killed by Israel or the US. Now,
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  Speaker 3: nobody should downplay the hardships and the risks of the
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  Speaker 3: war in Iran, but we know that Iranians have been
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  Speaker 3: cheering the attacks from the US and Israel, which are
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  Speaker 3: directed at military targets and regime targets, not citizens, although
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  Speaker 3: tragically in war civilians invariably suffer. But the threat to
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  Speaker 3: the Iranian people and especially this traveling soccer group comes
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  Speaker 3: from the regime, not from the US and Israel. Yet
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  Speaker 3: listen to this report from sky News UK.
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  Speaker 1: And we get the same slant.
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  Speaker 9: Some in the State TV in Iran have described them
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  Speaker 9: as treats, but the Iranian Foreign Ministry has said, they're
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  Speaker 9: welcome to return back home. This is an incredibly dangerous
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  Speaker 9: and tense time for these footballers and millions of Iranians
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  Speaker 9: who are currently under bombardment in their Come.
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  Speaker 3: On, people, Iranians are not under bombardment, they are under
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  Speaker 3: persecution and dictatorial control. The government, the regime is under bombardment.
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  Speaker 3: The Iranian soccer players are not seeking asylum from a war,
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  Speaker 3: they are seeking asylum from an evil regime. I want
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  Speaker 3: to share an example of the public service at work,
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  Speaker 3: what the government does with your money. Remember, under this
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  Speaker 3: Albanesi Labor government, we have returned to the big taxing,
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  Speaker 3: big spending, big government model. The Albenese government has added
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  Speaker 3: forty three thousand federal public servants. There are more than
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  Speaker 3: three hundred and eighty five thousand of them, almost four
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  Speaker 3: hundred thousand, and in less than four years, Labor has
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  Speaker 3: added an extra forty three thousand public servant. You wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: be able to fit their new recruits into the Sydney
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  Speaker 3: Football Stadium or the Gabber that's how many of them.
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  Speaker 3: Labor has added too many to fit into either of
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  Speaker 3: those stadiums. Anyway, each year, the public service pulls together
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  Speaker 3: a state of the service report to tell the government
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  Speaker 3: how well it's going. And they also do events so
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  Speaker 3: that public servants can all join in.
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  Speaker 1: And let me show you a minute of this one today.
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  Speaker 10: I'm joining you online from beautiful Nunawal Country and it's
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  Speaker 10: my privilege to invite Lark Vela, a proud Darug woman,
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  Speaker 10: to share an acknowledgment of country. Lark is also a
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  Speaker 10: Universal Prevention and Intersectionality Officer at the Department of Social Services.
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  Speaker 10: Thank you, Lark.
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  Speaker 11: Warami Mitiger with Jerry Nunia. Hello, welcome friends, It's good
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  Speaker 11: to see you. My name is Lark Vella and has
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  Speaker 11: said I'm a proud Drek woman of the Boo Barongle
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  Speaker 11: clan and I am a member of the Department of
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  Speaker 11: Social Services. I am honored to be with you here
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  Speaker 11: today on such wonderful gathering lands where people have gathered
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  Speaker 11: for far longer than the title of Australia has even existed.
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  Speaker 3: This welcome to country went for five minutes. I kid you,
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  Speaker 3: not five minutes now.
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  Speaker 1: To speaker there.
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  Speaker 3: Lark Vella has the following job title, Universal Prevention and Intersectionality, Family,
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  Speaker 3: Domestic and Succexual Violence Specialist Policy Branch Department of Social Services.
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  Speaker 3: Now I had a look around the website. I could
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  Speaker 3: not find a job description. So let's jump to the
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  Speaker 3: end of this.
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  Speaker 11: It is important to have inten when we strive in diversity.
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  Speaker 11: It is one of the most important things that we
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  Speaker 11: can do. And so having an event like this today
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  Speaker 11: and the significance of these things and all of us
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  Speaker 11: coming together cannot be understated.
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  Speaker 10: Thank you well, Thank you Mark, Thank you for those
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  Speaker 10: very thoughtful and gracious words and creating that opportunity for
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  Speaker 10: us also to reflect, including on what is our petition?
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  Speaker 10: How are we being intentional about what we're doing every day?
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  Speaker 3: How about the public service be intentional about using our.
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  Speaker 1: Tax dollars wisely?
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  Speaker 3: How about being intentional about doing some work, you know,
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  Speaker 3: delivering services, getting stuff done, instead of getting together and
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  Speaker 3: talking nonsense all day on our dollars. Now, let's not
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  Speaker 3: be unfair to those too. Lark and David, they're just
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  Speaker 3: two of nearly four hundred thousand, nearly four hundred thousand
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  Speaker 3: federal public servants. The point is that labor has given
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  Speaker 3: us forty three thousand extra public servants, and that's just
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  Speaker 3: some of what they do. Little wonder the budget and
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  Speaker 3: the country are in strife. A week or so back,
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  Speaker 3: a labor minister did something that made my ears prick up.
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  Speaker 3: The Minister for Multicultural Affairs, Julian Hill gave a speech
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  Speaker 3: that strongly endorsed Australian values. Hill said, we need things
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  Speaker 3: that we all have in common, that we should all
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  Speaker 3: sign up to, values we share and even events we
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  Speaker 3: can share and celebrate together. Remember this is an aurban,
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  Speaker 3: easy labor government minister. And he said controversially, this means
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  Speaker 3: embracing Australia Day for as long as there's no consensus
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  Speaker 3: to change the date. And strange that you should even
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  Speaker 3: have to say this, but he noted that many decent,
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  Speaker 3: good Australians love Australia Day and a public holiday before
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  Speaker 3: the school year kicks off. Many of us like to
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  Speaker 3: don ossie garb and people don't want to be sneered
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  Speaker 3: at for loving Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Well, ain't that the truth?
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  Speaker 3: Julian Hill joins me now live from canber and Minister,
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  Speaker 3: thanks for joining us. It's unusual now for someone on
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  Speaker 3: the left to say anything like this, and I think
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  Speaker 3: you admitted there as much in your speech. Have you
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  Speaker 3: received any backlash since delivering those words, it's.
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  Speaker 12: Great to be with you, and thank you for the
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  Speaker 12: interest in the speech. It was a long and thoughtful speech.
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  Speaker 12: You know, people who are interested don't leave the program now,
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  Speaker 12: but it is on the website if you want to
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  Speaker 12: have a read. Fundamentally, it's a speech about how we
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  Speaker 12: live well together as Australians. We're one of the most
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  Speaker 12: diverse peoples on earth. That's not going to change. But
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  Speaker 12: the question is are we going to remain successful in
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  Speaker 12: the years and decades ahead. And I had lots of
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  Speaker 12: praise for the speech. You know, there's something in it
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  Speaker 12: for everyone. There's things people can agree with and disagree
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  Speaker 12: with strongly if they like, but that's one of the
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  Speaker 12: core points of the speech. The key to being Australian
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  Speaker 12: to me is, you know, signing up to our values,
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  Speaker 12: loving our country, accepting our democratic institutions, and that principle
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  Speaker 12: of mutual respect for our fellow Australians who may be
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  Speaker 12: very different. And you know, as Asio has said, as
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  Speaker 12: many leaders have said, we've got to lower the temperature
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  Speaker 12: and not just scream.
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  Speaker 1: And shout each at each other.
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  Speaker 12: There's lots of things, mate, you and I may disagree on,
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  Speaker 12: but it's important that we remember how to disagree agreeably
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  Speaker 12: and we can love our country. I love our country.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, there was plenty in that speech that I
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  Speaker 3: would strongly disagree with, but I wanted to highlight this
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  Speaker 3: because I think it's a great a great focus on
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  Speaker 3: something we should all share.
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  Speaker 1: And I just wondered, have you had any blowback?
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  Speaker 3: Have you had any criticism from your own party or
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  Speaker 3: from the Greens or others about the speech?
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  Speaker 1: I actually haven't.
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  Speaker 12: All I've had is positive feedback, and some people go,
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  Speaker 12: I'm not sure about that. I'm not sure to emphasize that.
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  Speaker 12: I feel a bit differently about that. I'll give a
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  Speaker 12: shout out. Actually a little bit peculiar. But you know,
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  Speaker 12: we're talking this week. We've got a new leader of
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  Speaker 12: the New National Party. Now there's a lot of things
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  Speaker 12: I don't agree with Matt canavan on. I think he's
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  Speaker 12: extremely conservative and off the reservation on some things. But
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  Speaker 12: I really want to, you know, if we're finding common ground.
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  Speaker 12: What he said this week is leadership and we need
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  Speaker 12: to see more of it. He talked about and calling
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  Speaker 12: out Pauline Hanson and other people's pretty disgraceful comments, demonizing
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  Speaker 12: entire groups of Australians based on their faith or their ethnicity,
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  Speaker 12: and Australians believe in the fair go. And that's the
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  Speaker 12: essence to me of the promise of Australian multiculturalism that
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  Speaker 12: if you come here, you follow the laws, you share
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  Speaker 12: the values, you respect other Australians who might be different,
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  Speaker 12: and you work hard, you get a fair go. And
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  Speaker 12: you know, shout out to Matt Canavan. Didn't agree with
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  Speaker 12: all of his comments this week, but we need to
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  Speaker 12: hear more of that. We don't need that hate and
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  Speaker 12: extremism that you see when you turn on the TV
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  Speaker 12: in other parts of the world coming into and bringing
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  Speaker 12: chaos into our politics here well.
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  Speaker 3: Certainly his criticism of Pauline Hanson has sparked a bit
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  Speaker 3: of a debate with our viewers and some of the
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  Speaker 3: some people in public debate.
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  Speaker 1: But I agree with you.
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  Speaker 3: You've got to have this respectful disagreement and have the debate.
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  Speaker 3: I want to go to this too from another section
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  Speaker 3: of the speech, because you can't see the grind. I
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  Speaker 3: hate the idea that if someone waves an Australian flag
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  Speaker 3: now they're described almost as extremists. It's a hard right
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  Speaker 3: thing to do to fly the flag, and you tackled
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  Speaker 3: that by saying, why on earth would we see our flag,
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  Speaker 3: our national day, and our institutions as propaganda for extremists
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  Speaker 3: and the hard right.
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  Speaker 1: We can all mark.
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  Speaker 3: Anzac Day and treasure our British parliamentary democratic inheritance alongside
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  Speaker 3: indigenous history and culture, celebrate new people taking citizenship as
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  Speaker 3: a welcome active patriotism, and you can all disagree with
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  Speaker 3: anything I've said agreeably.
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  Speaker 1: This is the key.
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  Speaker 3: We can't surrender these national institutions.
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  Speaker 1: We should share them.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, have a debate, but share them rather than sort
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  Speaker 3: of pigeonhole them for the extremists to use.
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  Speaker 12: Thank you, and I think it's a really weird thing
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  Speaker 12: for any country to do to surrender then their flag
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  Speaker 12: or their national day to extremists, whether they're left extremists
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  Speaker 12: or right extremists. You know, I love our country and
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  Speaker 12: I will say that I think some of the people
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  Speaker 12: in the far right of politics, including people on the
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  Speaker 12: far right of the Liberal Party, I don't think they
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  Speaker 12: do love our country as it really is.
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  Speaker 1: In my community in.
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  Speaker 12: The suburbs, where people doesn't matter their skin color, doesn't
• 20:21
  Speaker 12: matter their background. If they come to the barbecue. I
• 20:24
  Speaker 12: had one on the weekend. We had a few hundred
• 20:25
  Speaker 12: people I invited along the neighborhood, but a few hundred
• 20:28
  Speaker 12: people come down over a couple of hours, every different
• 20:31
  Speaker 12: skin color, you can imagine, people of all ages, different
• 20:34
  Speaker 12: faiths and backgrounds, and.
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  Speaker 13: They all got on.
• 20:36
  Speaker 12: They had a sausage together, they had a drink together,
• 20:38
  Speaker 12: and they got on as Australian. So some of the
• 20:40
  Speaker 12: toxic rhetoric that we see on the television and in Parliament,
• 20:44
  Speaker 12: I'm sorry to say, doesn't reflect the daily life of
• 20:47
  Speaker 12: Australians overwhelmingly in our workplaces, in our suburbs. We can
• 20:50
  Speaker 12: be proud of who we are and you saw that
• 20:52
  Speaker 12: before your piece about the Iranian soccer players. That reminds
• 20:56
  Speaker 12: us in amidst all the darkness on the TV and
• 20:59
  Speaker 12: around the world at the that fundamentally we're a decent, welcoming,
• 21:03
  Speaker 12: generous country and we should remember that and be proud
• 21:06
  Speaker 12: of ourselves.
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  Speaker 3: I agree with everything you say, and that's the good
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: side of this. That's the easy side of this, and
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: it's the dominant side of this overwhelmingly. But on the
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: other hand, as the Minister for Multicultural Affairs, you're at
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: the front.
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  Speaker 1: End of this.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: And you know that since October the seventh of twenty
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: twenty three, we've seen an enormous amount of anti semitism
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: and Islamist extremism in this country. I've been saying since
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: since October the ninth, twenty twenty three, that our federal
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: and state governments and authorities have not done enough to
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: combat this. I've just had that interview with Sharry Marksm
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: where Dennis Richardson has said the same. How do you
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: plead as a member of the government, do you admit
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: that the Albanezy government just hasn't done enough to call this,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: to tackle this in the lead up to that horrible
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: massacre at BONDI.
• 21:54
  Speaker 12: Well, I point to the Prime Minister's words, I'm the
• 21:56
  Speaker 12: assistant minister. Actually Ann Ali is the minister, just not
• 21:59
  Speaker 12: to claim her job here on TV. But every member
• 22:04
  Speaker 12: of Parliament, every member of the government, and I think
• 22:06
  Speaker 12: any decent member of Parliament where you're in opposition cross bench,
• 22:10
  Speaker 12: has to reflect on what more could we have done,
• 22:13
  Speaker 12: not just parliaments, not just governments, but society as a whole,
• 22:16
  Speaker 12: whether it's sporting clubs, cultural institutions, universities and what frankly,
• 22:21
  Speaker 12: the kind of extreme comments that people make on social media,
• 22:25
  Speaker 12: keyboard warriors who say things frankly online that are still abusive,
• 22:28
  Speaker 12: still divisive, and they're not actually things you'd say to
• 22:31
  Speaker 12: your neighbors to their face. So I think there's a
• 22:33
  Speaker 12: responsibility for everyone to lower the temperature, as the head
• 22:36
  Speaker 12: of Azio has said, and the government has a point
• 22:39
  Speaker 12: of this anti semitism, Special Envoy, we did that before BONDI.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Seriously, let me jump in before we run out of time.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Lowering the temperature is one thing, but where there is hatred,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: it has to be combated. You can't just let it flourish.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Let me go back to an election promise you made
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: back before the last election to the Taha Humanity Association
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: in Melbourne.
• 23:02
  Speaker 12: If the Federal Labor Government is successful at the election,
• 23:07
  Speaker 12: then we will be giving six hundred and seventy thousand
• 23:10
  Speaker 12: dollars to the TAHA Center to support the next stage
• 23:14
  Speaker 12: of community facilities because you've done the hard work to
• 23:18
  Speaker 12: buy the land.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: You obviously thought they were a good group. Then we
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: now know that they've celebrated and lauded the late Ayatola,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Supreme Leader of Iran, Ali Kamane and that money has
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: been frozen. Doesn't this just show that right under your
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: noses there is Islamist extremism and you've got to be
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: doing more to root it out.
• 23:44
  Speaker 12: I'm so glad you've raised that because it goes actually
• 23:47
  Speaker 12: to one of the points I made two weeks ago
• 23:49
  Speaker 12: before that incident happened in the speech, that there are
• 23:53
  Speaker 12: limits to cultural expression in Australia, and we have to
• 23:55
  Speaker 12: remember that the Multicultural Policy gives you a right to
• 23:58
  Speaker 12: cultural expression, but it's within limits and it comes with
• 24:01
  Speaker 12: obligations to Australia as a whole. I was very clear,
• 24:05
  Speaker 12: and sorry, let me just address the commitment there. That
• 24:07
  Speaker 12: election commitment was made to support community facilities, not religious activities,
• 24:12
  Speaker 12: like language schools and women's programs and so on. It
• 24:15
  Speaker 12: was a commitment that the Liberal candidate turned up twice
• 24:18
  Speaker 12: and also matched, so the Liberal Party saw value in
• 24:21
  Speaker 12: that community as well. So let's be very clear and
• 24:23
  Speaker 12: not by their rubbish that somehow it was secret. If
• 24:25
  Speaker 12: it was secret, you wouldn't be playing the video on
• 24:27
  Speaker 12: Sky TV and it wouldn't have.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Been a press put out.
• 24:31
  Speaker 12: No no, no, no, You've been fantastic, But there weren't.
• 24:34
  Speaker 12: Lots of parts of the media and the Liberal Party
• 24:36
  Speaker 12: said this was some kind of secret commitment.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: It wasn't.
• 24:39
  Speaker 12: I put a press release out, it was on the
• 24:41
  Speaker 12: internet and the Liberal candidate turned up twice, including offering
• 24:45
  Speaker 12: double the funding. But to your core point, you know,
• 24:48
  Speaker 12: this is a tough decision for the community center. Most
• 24:50
  Speaker 12: of the people of that center have fled the Taliban.
• 24:53
  Speaker 12: They're persecuted, mainly pastor and Tajik Sheer minorities from war
• 24:57
  Speaker 12: torn countries. They are deeply grateful to be in Australia. Overwhelmingly,
• 25:01
  Speaker 12: they're good people. They're at the primary schools, the kids
• 25:03
  Speaker 12: are doing well, they're starting businesses. But I've been very direct.
• 25:06
  Speaker 12: Ayatolla Kamane was an evil dictator. He's headed the IRGC,
• 25:11
  Speaker 12: a listed terrorist sponsor in Australia, and orchestrated at least
• 25:15
  Speaker 12: two attacks in Australia. And I explained to them that
• 25:19
  Speaker 12: those prayers, which they stated were religious, are deeply offensive
• 25:22
  Speaker 12: to the majority of Australians. Now what I've said is,
• 25:25
  Speaker 12: when I'm back in Melbourne in the next few weeks,
• 25:26
  Speaker 12: I'm going to sit down with the leadership of the
• 25:28
  Speaker 12: Taha Center and talk this through. We're not backing off
• 25:31
  Speaker 12: from the view that I put, but as Australians, we
• 25:34
  Speaker 12: need to be able to have these conversations, these difficult
• 25:37
  Speaker 12: conversations and disagree.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: But I'm going to hold my line there.
• 25:41
  Speaker 12: The final thing I just want to say, mate, is
• 25:43
  Speaker 12: Sky News. I'll watched you sometimes and there's something that
• 25:47
  Speaker 12: you rail against that I do too, which is cancel culture.
• 25:49
  Speaker 12: I don't like the cancel culture that's emerged in universities.
• 25:52
  Speaker 12: You know, if you hear of you you don't agree with,
• 25:54
  Speaker 12: then use your words like we say to our cubits
• 25:56
  Speaker 12: and debate it, don't scream and shout and cancel it.
• 25:59
  Speaker 12: And it's a little bit the same though with these people.
• 26:01
  Speaker 12: Overwhelmingly the people I've met at that center, and presumably
• 26:05
  Speaker 12: the Liberal Party because they went there too, are good people.
• 26:08
  Speaker 12: I've got no basis to think that the majority of
• 26:10
  Speaker 12: people I've met there are extremists, but I'll keep a
• 26:12
  Speaker 12: look at right, I'm not naive, But I also don't
• 26:15
  Speaker 12: want to isolate them and write them off in Australian
• 26:18
  Speaker 12: society because I think their leadership made a wrong decision.
• 26:21
  Speaker 12: They say it was just religious and I've explained to them,
• 26:23
  Speaker 12: and I don't accept that you can make that distinction
• 26:26
  Speaker 12: in Australia. There are limits to cultural expression and you
• 26:30
  Speaker 12: can't hide behind religion for everything like that. So I'm
• 26:33
  Speaker 12: so pleased that you raised it to have the conversation.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Julian Hill. Thanks for joining us.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: You are the first federal labor officeholder to join me
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: on the program this year.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Let's hope a few more follow in your wake. I
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. Julian.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Hi'll be to come back the Assistant Minister for Multicultural Affairs.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: I want to go into what occurred in Parliament today
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: and the opposition focused very strongly on the fuel crisis
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: as a result of the war in Iran.
• 26:58
  Speaker 14: Have a look and the Prime Minister guarantee that Australia
• 27:02
  Speaker 14: will not run out of fuel.
• 27:04
  Speaker 15: We are prioritizing, prioritizing full security and supply. The fact
• 27:13
  Speaker 15: is that we're putting in place all of these measures.
• 27:16
  Speaker 15: Our reserves aren't in Texas, They're here and available.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Let's go to Senator just Into Nabajiba Price. Thanks for
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: joining us again, just Center. Is there a fuel crisis?
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Are people running short of fuel across the country at
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: the moment.
• 27:34
  Speaker 16: Yeah, absolutely they are. And it's it's quite disappointing to
• 27:40
  Speaker 16: watch the government this week change their position on this
• 27:43
  Speaker 16: matter from day to day. In the Senate during question time,
• 27:48
  Speaker 16: we had denials earlier in the week by Minister tim
• 27:53
  Speaker 16: Ayers with regard to this crisis that's continuing that we know,
• 27:58
  Speaker 16: we're speaking to people on the ground with to farmers,
• 28:01
  Speaker 16: we're speaking to petrol station retailers about the fact that
• 28:07
  Speaker 16: there are shortages taking place right across the country. But
• 28:12
  Speaker 16: at the beginning of the week they were telling us
• 28:15
  Speaker 16: that there's no problem. There isn't a bottleneck. You know,
• 28:20
  Speaker 16: we have got supplies here, they aren't in Texas, as
• 28:23
  Speaker 16: we've heard the Prime Minister saying. But the problem is
• 28:28
  Speaker 16: that there is there is an issue. And you know,
• 28:32
  Speaker 16: in my questioning yesterday in the Senate, we even had
• 28:36
  Speaker 16: Minister tim As scoffing and mocking my question and asking
• 28:42
  Speaker 16: if in fact the person I was referring to, mister
• 28:46
  Speaker 16: Brown from his neck of the woods from New England,
• 28:50
  Speaker 16: who owns a petrol station, who's saying that he's now
• 28:52
  Speaker 16: rationing his fuel supplies, questioning as to whether this individual
• 28:58
  Speaker 16: was a real person, made up person. This is how
• 29:02
  Speaker 16: they were not taking this issue seriously clear and now
• 29:06
  Speaker 16: they're suggesting, is there's a problem.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, clearly they're more circumspect now they know that people
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: are hurting, They know it's a problem.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: They can't even guarantee that Australia.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Won't run out of fuel and as shadows small Business Minister,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: you must be really concerned about the pain this is
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: causing four small businesses and could potentially cause in coming weeks.
• 29:27
  Speaker 16: Absolutely, I mean it's causing pain right now for these
• 29:31
  Speaker 16: small businesses right across the country. You've got the cost
• 29:34
  Speaker 16: of living crisis which is pushing up the cost of energy,
• 29:37
  Speaker 16: which is pushing up the cost of everything, insurance across
• 29:40
  Speaker 16: the board, which is not just hurting Australian families but
• 29:43
  Speaker 16: hurting Australian small businesses. And this government has seen forty
• 29:49
  Speaker 16: thousand small businesses collapse under them ever since they've.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Come to power.
• 29:55
  Speaker 16: Last year was the highest collapse on record with fourteen
• 29:58
  Speaker 16: five hundred. Now, this shortage issue with a government saying no,
• 30:02
  Speaker 16: we've got plenty of supply, there's plenty of supply, Well,
• 30:05
  Speaker 16: where's the action to demonstrate to the Australian people they
• 30:08
  Speaker 16: want to understand now how they're going to get that
• 30:11
  Speaker 16: supply to them so farmers can go about the business
• 30:16
  Speaker 16: and sow their crops going forward, so that they can
• 30:21
  Speaker 16: stay alive as businesses themselves.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Should have done a lot more about this many years ago.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: There's no doubt I hear the words of the late
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: great Jim Mole and echoing down the years. He was
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: talking about this very, very prominently before he died. Thanks
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: for joining us, just said to I appreciate it. Just
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: send an Amber Jibber Price there, who's the shadow Minister
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: for Small Business. We've got to get to a break
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: on the other side, an Iranian expat who's got direct
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: ties to soccer team and those women claiming asylum here.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: I just want to share with you a bit of
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: an update on the Iranian women's soccer players, six of whom,
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: as you know, have been granted asylum and remain in Australia.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: A seventh was granted asylum but changed their mind has
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: now left the country. The rest of the team and officials,
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: we believe, are headed back to Iran. But this has
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: unleashed a whole lot of questions and consequences that I
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: want to take up now. With an Iranian Australian woman
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: who's been close to the team and involved in all
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: of this. Her name is Tina Cordrastami and she joins
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: me on the desk. Now, good to talk to you, Tina.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Thanks for having this must have been an incredibly fraught
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: time where you've been in contact with a lot of
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: the players while they were trying to get the opportunity
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: of the claim asylum and then did so, and then
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: one of them reversed. Tell us about the sorts of
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: considerations and stresses that have been upon these women.
• 31:41
  Speaker 17: Where do I begin? It started before they even entered Australia,
• 31:45
  Speaker 17: but of course it's been getting worse and worse each
• 31:48
  Speaker 17: day they have been here. When they did remain silent
• 31:52
  Speaker 17: during that first national anthem, it was immediately after that
• 31:56
  Speaker 17: they started being intimidated. Their families back home were being detained,
• 32:02
  Speaker 17: their phone started being taken away from them. So just
• 32:06
  Speaker 17: imagine what these girls were going through in the last
• 32:08
  Speaker 17: week or so.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: The player who was granted asylum and then changed her mind.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: In your view, has she made that decision freely or
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: has she been intimidated from AFAR?
• 32:19
  Speaker 17: Typically, no decision is made freely by any of these
• 32:23
  Speaker 17: girls at any point within their lives. To be honest,
• 32:27
  Speaker 17: the only decision they have made freely was to remain
• 32:30
  Speaker 17: silent during that national anthem. We know that she's been threatened,
• 32:35
  Speaker 17: we know her family is not safe, and we know
• 32:38
  Speaker 17: she is returning for her family safety.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: What do you think will happen to these women and
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: their delegation when they return. Well, firstly, are they going
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: to be able to return to Iran or are they
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: going to be staying outside of the country while the
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: war continues?
• 32:55
  Speaker 17: Their plan was to take them into the war zone. Correct,
• 32:59
  Speaker 17: We're not too so how long this would take? However,
• 33:04
  Speaker 17: they did want to bust them into the country, all.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Right, so I'll try and do that now.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Tell me Also, then, are the women who have sought
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: asylum here and considered asylum here. Are they seeking asylum
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: from the war or from the regime?
• 33:21
  Speaker 17: Everyone has been trying to seek asylum from the regime
• 33:24
  Speaker 17: since the last forty seven years this war. Let's be clear,
• 33:29
  Speaker 17: there are people dying as I.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Don't downplay that. I don't downplay that for one second.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: And even when you're targeting the regime and the military tragically,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: there canon will be civilian casualties. But I'm concerned about
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: this meme if you like this idea that's been put about,
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: that these women are fleeing the war as much as
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: the regime.
• 33:51
  Speaker 17: The regime is so powerful that they're able to coerce
• 33:56
  Speaker 17: these girls all the way within Australia and force them
• 33:59
  Speaker 17: to come back into a war zone. That's how much
• 34:02
  Speaker 17: control they have over them. The regime is so horrific
• 34:07
  Speaker 17: that it hasn't even provided any form of aid or
• 34:10
  Speaker 17: bunkers or safety for those civilians within the country. So, yes,
• 34:13
  Speaker 17: people are fleeing the country, as you would see in
• 34:16
  Speaker 17: any situation within a war, But these girls are trying
• 34:20
  Speaker 17: to get away from the regime.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Two quick questions.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Will those who go back to Iran be persecuted or
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: hailed as heroes?
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: In Iran?
• 34:31
  Speaker 17: If you break a contract, especially as an athlete, you
• 34:34
  Speaker 17: can even face the death penalty. Now, there is always
• 34:40
  Speaker 17: going to be a propaganda spread, and we do see
• 34:42
  Speaker 17: a lot of progressive groups unfortunately promoting that propaganda and
• 34:47
  Speaker 17: not even listening to those of us who are Iranian
• 34:49
  Speaker 17: and have that lived experience. I hope that nothing happens
• 34:54
  Speaker 17: to these girls. But if we go off precedents and
• 34:57
  Speaker 17: we go off what we know with this regime. What's
• 35:01
  Speaker 17: waiting for them back home is nothing great.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Terrible to think about.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: And my second question then, is the Iranian women now
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: in Australia, the soccer players who have claimed asylum. Will
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: they be safe from the tentacles of Iran here or
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: will they have to essentially assume false identities?
• 35:20
  Speaker 17: I might throw that question back to the Australian governments.
• 35:23
  Speaker 17: Those of us in the diaspora have been talking about
• 35:25
  Speaker 17: how dangerous the IIGC is for so long. Yes, we
• 35:29
  Speaker 17: placed them on the terrorist list just a few weeks ago.
• 35:33
  Speaker 17: It's a great step. We should have done that sooner.
• 35:36
  Speaker 17: Why did we wait this long? If we're not safe
• 35:39
  Speaker 17: over here, why would we think these girls will be
• 35:43
  Speaker 17: These girls what they did when they remained silent during
• 35:46
  Speaker 17: that first game. That was the first act of refusal
• 35:50
  Speaker 17: of dismissal of the regime that we've seen from people
• 35:54
  Speaker 17: who represent their regime themselves. Only forty eight hours after Kamene's.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Death, vably brave. Thanks so much for joining us, Tina.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it. We got to move on, going to
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: get to a break on the other side.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: I'm going to catch up at GGI Foster to talk
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: about the economic consequences of what we're seeing in the
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Middle East. Okay, the Iron War and our economic future.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Let's get the low down from GGI Foster from the
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: University of New South Wales. Good to catch up with
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: you again, gg We're seeing an impact on the share market,
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: We're seeing an impact on fuel prices. Talk of inflation
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: now going up, interest rates more pressure on them to
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: go up. What's going to happen to our own domestic
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: economic situation in the near term.
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: Well, of course I don't have a crystal ball for
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: res No one does. But energy prices whether it's fuel,
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: diesel or electricity are central in many sectors as you know,
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: including agriculture, retail, wholesale, many different small businesses. As just
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: Centerprice was talking about earlier. It's basically something that filters
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: through the entire economy. So this war and the price
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: rise that we're seeing, partially because of the actual supply
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: crisis and partially because of some panic buying, is kind
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: of a shock treatment to Australians to wake them up
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: and make them realize that yes, energy actually is very important,
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: and of course it's something We've spoken about a lot
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: on your show over the years, how people tend to
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: forget how important cheap, accessible, affordable energy is, and we
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: are now finding that out.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: It is the economy and suddenly fossil fuels what we
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: need and want, and their scarcity is the problem for
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: this government.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: But if this puts.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Pressure on interest rates and gets interest rates going higher quicker,
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: why'd that just add to the pain you talk about
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: small business and others and household pain because of increased
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: costs of fuel. That's not being driven by any productivity boost.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: That's just an added cost, So higher interest rates will
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: only make it worse.
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: Yes, no, that's exactly right. This is not a situation
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: where there's some kind of trade off silver lining that
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: we can look at and say, well, at least we
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: have that. Although I would say in a philosophical sense,
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: although I would not expect there would be a silver
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: lining in the real economic arena for quite some time.
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  Speaker 6: I do think that it's useful for the Australian people
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  Speaker 6: to wake up and smell the coffee around energy and
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: the importance of energy, because that is something that they
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: really haven't focused on, and they haven't put sufficient pressure
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: on their governments when those governments have been spewing nonsense
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: about energy policy as they have been doing for years,
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: as you know. So I'm slightly hopeful that perhaps this
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: will be a kind of spit the dummy moment for
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: some Australians where they realize, look, we just need to
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: stop worrying so much about this net zero stuff and
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: the solar and wind being so much better. And because
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: they'll be realizing it in their back pocket, it's very
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: hard to look away from. It's very obvious here what
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: the causal pathway was. And I'll make people a little
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: bit scared and a little bit more sensible, hopefully a
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: bit more practical.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, gg I appreciate Ggi Foster the
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: from the University of New South Wales that's got a
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: footy nap, because in this crazy world, the only thing
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: that keeps me saying is the footy season. I'm so
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: glad it's up and running again. Let's catch up with
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: Mark Robinson in Victoria.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Robbo, it's back. I'm loving it.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: But let's talk about a couple of controversial things in
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: the world of AFL at the moment. One of them
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: is players on sort of eight hundred nine hundred million
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: dollars a year salaries who decide that for various reasons
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: mental health issues, relationship issues, that they kind of had
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: a year out of the game, but they still get
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: full quid.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I mean.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: That would work for all of us, wouldn't it if
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: we could do that at our jobs?
• 39:35
  Speaker 18: No idea, that would be nice. Good to talk to
• 39:37
  Speaker 18: you again, buddy. Well, they signed onconditional contracts and.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: They get their money.
• 39:44
  Speaker 18: And we've had players like, for example, Bobby Hill, he
• 39:48
  Speaker 18: signed a long term contract at Collingwood and he's gone
• 39:52
  Speaker 18: home to West Australia. They don't know when he's coming back,
• 39:55
  Speaker 18: and he'd be one what seven eight hundred thousand dollars
• 39:57
  Speaker 18: a year. It's been an issue for a while. I mean,
• 40:01
  Speaker 18: the world's are con anyway, and I'm sure some players
• 40:05
  Speaker 18: are suffering with mental health and issues in their lives,
• 40:10
  Speaker 18: and I'm sure others supper issues created by other issues,
• 40:19
  Speaker 18: and the football clubs have to suffer the consequences. By
• 40:23
  Speaker 18: Gallen wrote a really good piece about that this week,
• 40:25
  Speaker 18: and that's why we're talking about it. We have a
• 40:28
  Speaker 18: lot of players now going off with personal reasons.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's have a listen to Darcy Moore, the Collingwood
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: captain who also heads up the Players Association.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Here's what he's had to say.
• 40:39
  Speaker 19: It's just because their high profile, just because you know,
• 40:42
  Speaker 19: we earn great money in a privileged position. We're not
• 40:44
  Speaker 19: immune to having personal challenges in our personal lives. So
• 40:47
  Speaker 19: I think as an industry, the way we support players
• 40:51
  Speaker 19: in situations like this will help them to perform as
• 40:53
  Speaker 19: soon as zero some games.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Robo, Now we all agree with that. You want
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: to look after people.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: But the point is the rest of us in our jobs,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: if life's tough and we all have problems, but you
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: deal with it with some personal leave or with some
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: sick leave, and then in the end you've got to
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: turn up and earn a wage.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: But this doesn't seem to apply to professional sports people. No,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't.
• 41:16
  Speaker 18: But they live a different life, and I'm not saying
• 41:18
  Speaker 18: it's a better lot.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Who's a bit of love. They get a lot more money,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: but it is a different life.
• 41:22
  Speaker 18: They try and talk to us about the public pressures
• 41:25
  Speaker 18: that they are under, but everyone suffers public pressure. But
• 41:30
  Speaker 18: I agree with you, they do need support and rehabilitation,
• 41:34
  Speaker 18: but at the same time this week, and we'll get
• 41:37
  Speaker 18: onto it right now, is that the illicited drugs policy
• 41:39
  Speaker 18: changes this week. And Jeff Kennett has come out and
• 41:44
  Speaker 18: I agree with Jeff, the former Hawthorne president of Victorian Premier,
• 41:48
  Speaker 18: that more clubs should be aware if there's drug issues
• 41:53
  Speaker 18: at the club, because these players are at the club
• 41:55
  Speaker 18: for what thirty hours a week. And Jeff's always argued
• 41:59
  Speaker 18: and I agree with him here that the best people
• 42:02
  Speaker 18: to help these people if they need help is of
• 42:04
  Speaker 18: course these club people.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Tom, You've got players. This is why it became undone,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: it is why they revised it.
• 42:13
  Speaker 20: The theory was that the players were going out having
• 42:16
  Speaker 20: a night in the title and then thinking, oh well,
• 42:19
  Speaker 20: I've better report for mental health reasons and not get
• 42:22
  Speaker 20: a strike and get looked after.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: And I agree they can get looked after. But too
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: many players, I think I don't know this for exact.
• 42:32
  Speaker 18: I suspect that too many players were taking the pisce
• 42:34
  Speaker 18: Chris and just getting on the tiles and then using
• 42:37
  Speaker 18: that as a escape route.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a worry. That's the suspicion of a lot.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: And as you say, Jeff Kennada has appointed to that
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: fascinating stuff and go the crows on the weekend.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: May catch you next week.
• 42:49
  Speaker 18: Good luck.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Mark Robinson. There we were to take a break. Then
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: we'll catch up with Tim and Mark.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: We'll talk about an Olympian's very famous Olympians surprising career change.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: Let's get into the national cabinet now with Tim Blair
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: from the Daily Telegraph and Mark Nicholson from step Mate Studio.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Is good to talk to you again, gentlemen. See mate,
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: you're both there, live human beings. You haven't been replaced
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: by holograms as yet. Because a lot of jobs seem
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: to be disappearing because of AI.
• 43:26
  Speaker 13: Tim absolutely, and it used to be as well. When
• 43:31
  Speaker 13: robotics and electronics sort of came into the world. It
• 43:34
  Speaker 13: was the concern was that manual labor jobs would finish,
• 43:37
  Speaker 13: that blue collar jobs would finish, and everyone was a
• 43:41
  Speaker 13: little bit concerned about that.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: But the people who are writing.
• 43:44
  Speaker 13: Those opinions, who had those sort of theories, they weren't
• 43:47
  Speaker 13: too stressed because they were safe. Oh no, now it's
• 43:50
  Speaker 13: coming AI, especially it's coming for the white collar jobs.
• 43:53
  Speaker 13: If you really want to secure job these days, be
• 43:55
  Speaker 13: an Amazon delivery driver and you'll never be out of work.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, at lastly, in the big Australian success story,
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: you know, the Double Bay, Jesus, Mike cannon Brooks's going
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: to save the world with all these billions. His company's
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: value has fallen by something like sixty percent or more
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: and they're cutting sixteen hundred jobs.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Here he was today, I.
• 44:17
  Speaker 14: Am deeply sorry for the disruption this creates in your life.
• 44:21
  Speaker 14: Even at a moment like this, and especially at a
• 44:24
  Speaker 14: moment like this, your impact and contributions matter here. Massively
• 44:30
  Speaker 14: check in on your teammates and your friends, and give
• 44:33
  Speaker 14: people everywhere the space to process and lean on the
• 44:36
  Speaker 14: support that we are making available for everyone.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't make light of this mark because the
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: real people are losing jobs. Has happened in a lot
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: of other companies too, and the real worry is there
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: are a lot more to come. But as Tim says,
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: tell you, what if you want to guarantee job the
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: way the world's going go back to getting.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: A trade.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Yeah, but I don't know.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know about you guys, but I thought Dave,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: I felt like that speech that he was delivering there
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: was ai delivered. It was it was written by Ai,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: and in all honesty, AI probably could have delivered that
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: with more human compassion. Sadly, it was reading it I didn't.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: I didn't feel it. I didn't like his apology at all. Really,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: But you're right, it's just the beginning. I think it's
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: that and the public Service that's the last one. They
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: will be the last one standing, even though they're the
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: ones that can actually do with a big old sweep out,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: because AI also kind of stinks like it's not that great.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Like as a business owner myself, I was like, saw,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: this went great, I can fire a few people. I can't.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: It's not good enough yet for what we do. It's
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: just really not good enough yet.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: So this is really just the first bass I think.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I really think that the public service is going
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: to be the last one to cling onto.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: I think the poor quality of that speech can be
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: explained that the Wi FI is pretty poor and he
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: was quite seasick on his yacht, but when he gets
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: back to land, drop a better message.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Hey, Tim.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Another story that caught my eye was that the ABC
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: great bastions of the Christian faith that they are, they're
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: all having Easter off. They're going to shut down state
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: bulletins and just have a national bulletin so that everybody
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: can get Easter off.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: This is the mob.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: We don't like to have Australia Day off, but they
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: all want Easter.
• 46:16
  Speaker 13: It's fantastic and I love their excuse for it. They're
• 46:19
  Speaker 13: all under so much stress at the ABC from covering
• 46:21
  Speaker 13: all these major events recently. They're going they're having a
• 46:25
  Speaker 13: break from journalism because it's like, let us do something else,
• 46:31
  Speaker 13: like not do journalism. You're paid to be journalists. It
• 46:35
  Speaker 13: is ridiculous. But you know, on the same thing, like
• 46:39
  Speaker 13: go for it. Make it slightly more permanent, as in,
• 46:43
  Speaker 13: just stop working there. AI to ABC frankly, even with
• 46:47
  Speaker 13: all of its glitches, at least AI doesn't take a
• 46:50
  Speaker 13: religious holiday when it's not even religious.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go to the Eastern vigil at my
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: local church just to see if I can see any
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: ABC journalists there.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Good luck.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: See now this one has been brought to our attention too.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: One of Australia's most famous Olympians, even though she didn't
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: really perform too well, Reagan.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: She is in Paris, the fantastic Reygun.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: Well, she's guising on her fame or infamy in a
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: very unusual way.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this.
• 47:23
  Speaker 21: Hello world, it's Reagan Here.
• 47:26
  Speaker 22: I am here on cameo.
• 47:28
  Speaker 21: You can find me.
• 47:29
  Speaker 22: I'm here to wish your friends, your family, your loved
• 47:32
  Speaker 22: ones happy birthday. So if you've got a friend in
• 47:36
  Speaker 22: your life, that one of maybe a fan or two
• 47:40
  Speaker 22: is just insanely hard to buy for, Well, here I
• 47:43
  Speaker 22: am a message from Reagun.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: Unbelievable mark you think she should be doing the primo
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: it at tracksuit whilst she's doing some dancing.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Surely that's exactly right. Sadly, cameo is wear celebrit he
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: goes to die. So this is this might be the
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: last that we see of poor old Reagun.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: But like what a sell, Like what a self?
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: She just she delivered that with absolute passion as well.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Couldn't be more cringe. But like I was sitting there thinking.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Who would buy one?
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Of those who would buy a cameo for their friends
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: from Reagun?
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Right here? I bought one for you. You bought one.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: I had to.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: I had to. I couldn't have.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I've never bought anything faster in my life.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: It was the best one hundred bucks I've ever spent.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: So the producers apparently have got the clip if you
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: could roll it through, lads, I want to give Chris
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: my my very special gift from gift my gift.
• 48:34
  Speaker 21: Let's have a look, Chris, mate, it's reagun here. Your
• 48:39
  Speaker 21: friend Mark's reached out to me to do a little
• 48:42
  Speaker 21: roast of you, little roasty roue. He's sent me some
• 48:46
  Speaker 21: information and I got to tell you it's it's pretty
• 48:50
  Speaker 21: wild what he sent me. Chris, you love watching the
• 48:53
  Speaker 21: ABC driving electric cars and scooters, and listen to this.
• 49:00
  Speaker 21: It's a plot twist. No one saw this coming. You're
• 49:02
  Speaker 21: a labor party supporter. Didn't see that coming with the
• 49:05
  Speaker 21: ABC and the electric cars.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: Okay, Mark, you and Reygaun will both be hearing from
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: my lawyers.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: You know, this thing goes for three minutes. By the way,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: we've got to find somewhere to put this up online.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: For three very cringey minutes. It just keeps going and
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: it gets unless unless she's doing that is not Raygun.
• 49:30
  Speaker 13: Yes, that could be anyone.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: We are right out of time, gentlemen, Thanks very much,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your kind gets.
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: Mark.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: We'll catch you guys next week. Just before I go,
• 49:39
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