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Speaker 1: Tonight, the Prime Minister says the most stupid thing yet
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Speaker 1: about inflation, showing it's got no clue about running an economy.
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Speaker 1: That is why you're getting poorer. Shocking evidence of that
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Speaker 1: coming up and why tomorrow you're going to get clobbered again.
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Speaker 1: And Donald Trump brings one of our Bolt Report regulars
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Speaker 1: for advice. The head of his debate next week with
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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris will tell you the game plan, and our
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Speaker 1: top Islamic groups say nothing as videos emerge of hostages
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Speaker 1: forced by Hamas to record farewell videos before they are
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Speaker 1: shot in the head. Also tonight, a lesbian illegal brawl
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Speaker 1: to some hop men who now call themselves women from
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Speaker 1: joining her lesbian events, and plenty more coming up. But
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Speaker 1: first all they have been hearing the evasions and astonishing
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Speaker 1: excuses for the boss of ASIO, our top spy agency,
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Speaker 1: seriously excusing the bizarre and dangerous statements of Mike Burgess,
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Speaker 1: the ones he made a month ago about HAMAS supporters
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Speaker 1: and now telling us he hadn't made them at all.
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Speaker 1: But where's the criticism. I haven't heard a word. And
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Speaker 1: you got to ask, is ASIO suddenly a protected species?
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Speaker 1: The extraordinary thing that Burgess said last month was that
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Speaker 1: he was giving a pass to any of the nearly
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Speaker 1: three thousand Palestinians the government was bringing in from terrorists
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Speaker 1: around Gaza on tourism visas, people who said they supported
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Speaker 1: the Hamas terrorist group. Now, as long as that support
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Speaker 1: was just words, he did add I have to be fair. Now,
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Speaker 1: I said at the time this was staggering. I mean,
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Speaker 1: letting in supporters of one of the worst, most brutalistness
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Speaker 1: terrorist groups. Does that make us safe? But as Sherry
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Speaker 1: Marxon first revealed, n Burgess is now clarified his statement.
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Speaker 1: In fact, he's told the flat out untruth about it,
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Speaker 1: claiming his words had been distorted, that critics like me
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Speaker 1: had chosen, I guess, like liars to mis understand precisely
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Speaker 1: what in fact he did say. As Burgess told the ABC,
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Speaker 1: I've watched with interests over the last couple of weeks
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Speaker 1: how people have chosen to distort what I said. I
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Speaker 1: said that if you support a Palestinian homeland, that may
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Speaker 1: not discount you from entering Australia, because that by itself
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Speaker 1: is not a problem. Well, no, that is not what
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Speaker 1: he said last month, or not all that he said.
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Speaker 1: Then here is what he really said, and I run
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Speaker 1: it at length so you are sure there's no cherry
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Speaker 1: picking of his comments.
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Speaker 2: If they've expressed any supporter of sympathy for Hamas, is
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Speaker 2: that a problem.
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Speaker 3: Depends on the you know what that looks like. If
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Speaker 3: they supported because they want their homeland. If they're giving
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Speaker 3: financial support or material aid, that can be a problem.
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Speaker 3: And obviously we take each case on its merits and
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Speaker 3: context of the information we.
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Speaker 1: Have before us.
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Speaker 4: But if it's just rhetorical support.
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Speaker 3: If it's just rhetorical re support, and they don't have
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Speaker 3: an ideology or support for a violent stream as an ideology,
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Speaker 3: then that's not a problem.
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Speaker 1: As you just heard, Burgess last month said it'd leading
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Speaker 1: Palatinians who supported Hamas rhetorically. Now this claim you just said,
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Speaker 1: he'd leading Palatinians who merely supported a homeland. No, no, no,
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Speaker 1: that is troubling for two reasons. First, can we now
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Speaker 1: trust Burgess's judgment and trust him to tell us the truth,
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Speaker 1: the whole truth when it goes pair shape? But second,
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Speaker 1: who has he actually helped the government to bring into
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Speaker 1: Australia before it's our changes money said? No, how mass
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Speaker 1: supporters allowed full stop? Now it's true that these questions
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Speaker 1: go right to the top. And I'll get to any
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Speaker 1: in the Albanese in a second for his total lack
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Speaker 1: of leadership here. But let us stick for a second too,
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Speaker 1: Mike Burgess, what he said last month and how's misleading us? Now?
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Speaker 1: That means he really should face intense questioning and criticism instead.
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Speaker 1: Like I said, the excuses, Oh oh, you know, Mike
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Speaker 1: Burgess is a nice guy or always a wonderful public servant.
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Speaker 1: And he he didn't lie, he misspoke, he clarified what
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Speaker 1: he said about those Palestinians. Not a word of criticism
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Speaker 1: all day. Look at ask what is this? A politicians
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Speaker 1: now too scared to say the as of us stuffed
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Speaker 1: up when he did, and is now smearing those of
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Speaker 1: us who called him out as liars. Even the coalition's
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Speaker 1: Home Affairs spokesman James Patterson, one of the coalitions straight shooters,
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Speaker 1: top top, top class. He didn't dare say boo to
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Speaker 1: the goose.
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Speaker 4: I strongly support Mike Burgess. I think he does an
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Speaker 4: outstanding I support his entire team. I support Asio.
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Speaker 1: I know there's few votes in a politician criticizing Asio
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Speaker 1: or burning any leakas who were helping them that are there.
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Speaker 1: The main political game is, of course attacking alban easy
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Speaker 1: and sure, okay, well, let us let us criticize the
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Speaker 1: Prime minister. You think in the month since Burgess said
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Speaker 1: that he'd approved Palestinis from Gaza, who gave just rhetorical
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Speaker 1: support to Hamas, a genocidal terrorist group that last October
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Speaker 1: seven and massacre twelve hundred Jews, since then, Alberti's has
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Speaker 1: gone right along with that plainly dangerous nonsense that things
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Speaker 1: if Burgess and not the Prime Minister, was in charge
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Speaker 1: of who we should let into the country and should
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Speaker 1: not be questioned. He hid behind Burgers, I think perhaps
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Speaker 1: because he was too scared to offend Muslim voters even by
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Speaker 1: saying no to Palaestini refugees who might support hamas well.
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Speaker 5: Listen to the security agencies when it.
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Speaker 6: Comes to national security.
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Speaker 5: And the Director General Mike Burgess will play a critical
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Speaker 5: role in that.
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Speaker 1: And today Albanies again supported Burgess, again criticized the coalition,
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Speaker 1: even though the Asier boss was now saying the opposite,
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Speaker 1: that he wouldn't let him how much support as any
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Speaker 1: of them. Instead, like Burgess, Albanies he gaslighted the opposition.
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Speaker 5: Because I know that their number one priority is keeping
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Speaker 5: Australian safe. That's why I reappointed Mike Burgess as the
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Speaker 5: Director General of ASIA, and that's why I haven't undermined
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Speaker 5: his authority. It's extraordinary, frankly, that the Coalition went into
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Speaker 5: question time day after day after day, and through their questioning,
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Speaker 5: we're questioning Mike Burgess's determination to keep Australian safe.
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Speaker 1: Says how the Coalition is right to do so. But
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Speaker 1: for voters issue now is this, who of the thirteen
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Speaker 1: hundred Palestinians, from guards to the government and as have
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Speaker 1: already let in without even an interview, are indeed a
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Speaker 1: must supporters and what do we do with them? Now?
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Speaker 7: When you bring people in from a war zone controlled
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Speaker 7: by a terrorist organization, you can't issue tourist visas, no
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Speaker 7: face to face interviews, no biometrics, no checks. And people
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Speaker 7: were granted visas in twenty four hours. And so now
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Speaker 7: you've got AZO and the Australian Federal Police chasing their tail,
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Speaker 7: spending an enormous amount of resource and money trying to
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Speaker 7: identify whether people are of questionable character or not.
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Speaker 1: What a mess, And ultimately the buck stops with the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister, even if it's harding behind the AZO boss
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Speaker 1: who foolishly gave him cover. I tell you this government
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Speaker 1: is falling. A part of the scenes, Anthony Alberanezy today
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Speaker 1: says something that staggered me and I wonder now again,
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Speaker 1: does he have any clue how this economy works. Good
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Speaker 1: new growth figures tomorrow they're predicted to confirm our economies
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Speaker 1: barely growing now. In fact, that we're getting even poorer
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Speaker 1: per person under this government. The fall in our disposable
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Speaker 1: income is now the worse in the developed world. But
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Speaker 1: albert Is he today seemed unaware of just how bad
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Speaker 1: he were going compared to the rest of the developed world.
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Speaker 1: When it comes to inflation. He made out that, oh no,
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Speaker 1: it's the rest of the world that's the blame for that.
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Speaker 1: That inflation was probably worse. This is the implication he
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Speaker 1: gave worse in other developed countries.
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Speaker 5: And I know people are doing it tough. I also
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Speaker 5: know that this isn't unique to Australia. That global inflation
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Speaker 5: has had an impact and in many parts of the world,
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Speaker 5: including whether it be big economies like the UK or
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Speaker 5: smaller economies in our region like Paloud, they hit double
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Speaker 5: digit inflation. I know that interest rate in Canada, New Zealand,
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Speaker 5: UK in these countries were much higher, peaked higher than
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Speaker 5: the four point three five percent that interest rates have
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Speaker 5: risen to here.
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Speaker 1: I mean, who's this man trying to full However bad
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Speaker 1: inflation once was in other economies like ours, like the UK,
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Speaker 1: we're now doing worse than most under this government and
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Speaker 1: we're getting poorer. Joining me every Tuesday is National Senator
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Speaker 1: Matt Canavan, the form of Resources Minister, Matt, it now
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Speaker 1: looks given that we are getting so much poorer per person,
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Speaker 1: inflation is worse than most of our competitors, including the UK,
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Speaker 1: it now looks even crazier. I think to see this
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Speaker 1: government canceling a one billion dollar gold mine because of
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Speaker 1: secret aboriginal business told by people that the traditional owners
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Speaker 1: say are wrong about that. Plus of course wasting tens
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Speaker 1: and tens of billions of dollars and crazy energy schemes
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Speaker 1: green ones that keep falling over. No rational government would
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Speaker 1: do what this government is doing. So what do you
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Speaker 1: think is driving.
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Speaker 8: This, well, Andrew, I think it's a combination of pig
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Speaker 8: headedness and politics. The pig headedness here is that the
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Speaker 8: labor party obviously signed up its future to a green
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Speaker 8: energy fantasy and it's loath to move away from that track,
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Speaker 8: even though all the evidence is building up. Their investment
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Speaker 8: in whether dependent renewables is doing nothing but make our
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Speaker 8: electricity system much more vulnerable and the price of power
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Speaker 8: for everybody much more expensive. So they're just stubborn, just
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Speaker 8: simple and utter stubbornness to continue down this path against
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Speaker 8: all of the evidence against it. And then the other
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Speaker 8: aspect here is politics, and that's where that gold mine
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Speaker 8: comes in. Clearly, Tania pliversec I think there is a
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Speaker 8: secret reason why Taniel pliver sc stopped that mind It's
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Speaker 8: that she needs green preferences in her seat of Sydney
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Speaker 8: to stay in a job. So she is comfortable with
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Speaker 8: putting at risk and stopping eight hundred jobs being created
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Speaker 8: far from her electorate to satisfy the green activists who
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Speaker 8: wanted this mind shut. That is what's going on here,
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Speaker 8: and a consequence for all of us that is that
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Speaker 8: lower stand of living. We actually have had our standard
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Speaker 8: of living fall to levels we hadn't seen since twenty eleven,
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Speaker 8: so more than ten years backwards we've gone in just
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Speaker 8: the two years of this labor government that's never happened
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Speaker 8: in recorded economic history, that kind of reduction such a
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Speaker 8: short space of time. That's why people are angry, and
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Speaker 8: that's why people are scratching their heads and wondering, why
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Speaker 8: do we have after we've gone back, our our standard
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Speaker 8: living has gone back more than the decade, why do
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Speaker 8: we have a government stopping projects that could employ eight
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Speaker 8: hundred people, that could boost our productivity and lift our wealth.
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Speaker 4: It is totally inexplicable, as you.
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Speaker 8: Say, except if you think that the Labor Party is
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Speaker 8: doing this for their own narrow political interests rather than
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Speaker 8: the broader national interest and what we need right now.
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Speaker 1: Matt, I actually think that there's a broadest story here
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Speaker 1: that a bit like France before the French Revolution. You know,
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Speaker 1: we've gone from an age of into an age of feelings.
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Speaker 1: This is government captured both finer feelings and impervious to
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Speaker 1: things like evidence and reason. Can I just ask, going
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Speaker 1: back to the top of the show, how come the
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Speaker 1: opposition is not criticizing the head of Asia for first
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Speaker 1: saying he lived in even hamas supporters rhetorical supporters, and
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Speaker 1: now saying that people who heard him say exactly that
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Speaker 1: are actually distorting his words. All I hear is is
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Speaker 1: a good bloke. I won't criticize Asia.
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Speaker 8: Why not, Well, Andrew, I have criticized him, and I've
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Speaker 8: just texted you my comments while I heard your show,
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Speaker 8: so you can check that later. But so that I'm
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Speaker 8: not just repetting it now, I said to Peter Stevenovich
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Speaker 8: on Sky News, she should always watched Sky News. Of course,
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Speaker 8: I was on his show this morning and immediately criticized
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Speaker 8: mister Burgess because you're absolutely absolutely right what you said.
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Speaker 4: I mean, look, I mean, I'm glad.
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Speaker 8: I'm glad he's now saying that supporting a terrorist organization
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Speaker 8: is a red flag to coming into this country. It's
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Speaker 8: surprising it took so long too, as in his words,
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Speaker 8: claarify that statement. But mister Burgers didn't clarify his statement.
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Speaker 8: He's backflipped on his statement. Just be honest with us,
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Speaker 8: that would be better. I've got nothing against the bloke personally.
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Speaker 8: He seems like he does a good job, but he's
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Speaker 8: stuffed up in this instance.
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Speaker 4: Just ad bit that and take your medicine and let's
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Speaker 4: all move on.
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Speaker 8: And I'm sick and tired, Andrew, of this culture that's
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Speaker 8: emerged I think in recent times where some of them
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Speaker 8: highest paid people among us, that is, our senior bureaucratic leadership,
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Speaker 8: are somehow a protected species and are exempt from any criticism.
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Speaker 8: I mean it's like if you do dare criticize these
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Speaker 8: these mandarins earning multiple times the rest of us. If
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Speaker 8: you criticize us, you're breaking some gospel rule. I mean,
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Speaker 8: they're just human beings and they need to be accountable.
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Speaker 8: They should be subject to more criticism than anyone else
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Speaker 8: in our society because they received taxpayer dollars in a
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Speaker 8: privileged position, and under our system, they absolutely should be
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Speaker 8: subject to criticism through the Parliament, through elected officials, and
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Speaker 8: when they make the wrong decision, as Mike had clearly
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Speaker 8: done here a few weeks ago, they need to be
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Speaker 8: held to account.
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Speaker 1: Look, you have tested me your criticism, so I'm going
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Speaker 1: to resolve you of it. Not some of your collegues,
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Speaker 1: I have to say, Matt interesting in gossip the coalitionions
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Speaker 1: campaign headquarters ahead of the election, of course, which could happen.
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Speaker 1: I think is probably going to be about March somewhere
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Speaker 1: around then. It's going to be in Sydney this time.
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Speaker 1: Tell us about the reasoning here.
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Speaker 8: Well, look, I haven't been consulted on that, Andrew, and
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Speaker 8: so I don't know the reasons for it, but that's
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Speaker 8: a look. Obviously, New South Wales is going to be
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Speaker 8: key to the next election, Sydney, in particular Western Sydney.
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Speaker 4: I think you see that.
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Speaker 8: The reason, going back to your previous story, the reason
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Speaker 8: the government was so slow to act here on the
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Speaker 8: absurdity of allowing Hamas supporting people into our country. The
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Speaker 8: reason they was so slow to act on that was
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Speaker 8: because of what you said. They're worried about Western Sydney.
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Speaker 8: They're worried about the votes from Muslim communities, and I
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Speaker 8: don't think it's a healthy position for the national government
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Speaker 8: to be in, but it is. It's politically going to
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Speaker 8: be very crucial that air and so there will be
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Speaker 8: a large focus on Sydney. I'm sure. I think this
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Speaker 8: is a very important election because we have a government
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Speaker 8: that's directionalist right now. We have a government's lashing out
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Speaker 8: at the RBA and others because they don't have the answers,
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Speaker 8: an economic program or solutions for our country.
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Speaker 4: So we need to have a contest, we have real
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Speaker 4: contest of ideas.
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Speaker 8: I hope the coalition firms upset its options and its
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Speaker 8: alternatives because the country deserves a choice, because the current
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Speaker 8: tracker on is leading to ruin and putery.
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Speaker 1: Look well absolutely, I'm sure we're going to hear a
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Speaker 1: lot more of that kind of talk come the election
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Speaker 1: when the gun starts. But look, this is the government
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Speaker 1: seems very ratty. Matt Canevan's thank you so much for
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Speaker 1: your time. You know, it's incredible the Australian women are
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Speaker 1: having now to fight for their right to say women
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Speaker 1: are women and men are not. A week ago we
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Speaker 1: already had a Federal Court judge de clear a man
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Speaker 1: could indeed be a woman. So Women's only Internet chatsy
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Speaker 1: was wrong to exclude a man who had had surgery
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Speaker 1: become a transgender woman. I mean, this is nuts. And
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Speaker 1: now another case in Victoria's Administrative Pilstrabunal this week, the
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Speaker 1: Victorian based Lesbian Action Group is asking to this tribunal
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Speaker 1: to overturn the decision by Australian Human Rights Commission made
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Speaker 1: last October which banned this lesbian group from excluding transgender
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Speaker 1: women from its events. It was it said, you can't
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Speaker 1: ban men who say they are women and still like women.
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Speaker 1: Sexually as well from lesbian events. Joining me is someone
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Speaker 1: who's been very active in fighting for women's rights against
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Speaker 1: transgender extremists, and I've watched in horror to see her
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Speaker 1: grossly bullied for it. Holly Lawford Smith is an Associate
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Speaker 1: professor of political philosophy at Melbourne University. Holly, thank you
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Speaker 1: for coming on. Look, before we just start, I need
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Speaker 1: to say how much I've admire your strength in putting
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Speaker 1: up with the unbelievable harassment that you have suffered for
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Speaker 1: years now. But this case in the Ministry of Appeals Tribunal,
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Speaker 1: what is the Lesbian Action Group arguing here?
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Speaker 9: Well, they were seeking to have events for lesbians only,
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Speaker 9: and by that they really meant just lesbians. They wanted
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Speaker 9: to exclude all gay men, straight men, straight women, bisexual women,
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Speaker 9: queer women, anyone who's not a lesbian and in their language,
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Speaker 9: lesbian born female because they decided to kind of play
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Speaker 9: the game of the HRC's new slightly convoluted language. And
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Speaker 9: as as you said, last year, that request for an
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Speaker 9: exemption to have lesbian only events was turned down, and
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Speaker 9: so this last two days have been the appeal and
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Speaker 9: I've been sitting in on the appeal, which has been
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Speaker 9: kind of an equal part like hilarious, surreal, depressing, upsetting, weird. Yeah,
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Speaker 9: lots of support is there though, So that aspect of
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Speaker 9: it has been nice at least, but hard to say
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Speaker 9: how it will go.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's amazing, isn't it. You're sitting now in a
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Speaker 1: living Kafka novel. What did the Human Rights Commissions say
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Speaker 1: when you told the Lesbian Actual group last year it
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Speaker 1: could not exclude transgender women? What's its reasoning?
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Speaker 9: Well, it was quite interesting because they kind of had
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Speaker 9: a section in their judgment on the sorts of exemptions
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Speaker 9: or exclusions that would probably be lawful, and they said
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Speaker 9: it would probably be lawful to exclude heterosexual men and women.
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Speaker 9: The sort of question mark where it looked like it
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Speaker 9: would be likely to be unlawful or at least like
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Speaker 9: the that was the that was the kind of greatest
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Speaker 9: risk that was flagged in the judgment was that it
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Speaker 9: would count this discrimination on the basis of gender identity.
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Speaker 9: So even though a lot of the appeal over the
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Speaker 9: last two days had the HRC denying that there's any
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Speaker 9: hierarchy of attributes, it's very noteworthy that trans women are
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Speaker 9: the community that was kind of named in that rejection
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Speaker 9: of the exemption request. Maybe it's fine to exclude bisexual
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Speaker 9: women and gay men, right, even though those are recognized
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Speaker 9: minorities protected by the Sex Discrimination Act. The big problem
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Speaker 9: was rejecting the idea that trans women can be lesbians,
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Speaker 9: that trans women are women. So it's the fight is
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Speaker 9: really on over the exclusion of trans women from lesbian spaces.
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Speaker 9: And that was an interesting issue in the appeal because
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Speaker 9: the Lesbian Action Group lawyer and sort of team kept
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Speaker 9: making the point, these women are seeking to exclude everyone
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Speaker 9: who's not a lesbian again in male language, lesbian born female,
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Speaker 9: And then the HRC kept kind of bringing up trans
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Speaker 9: women and how marginalized the trans community are and wanting
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Speaker 9: to sort of talk about trans women. So it was
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Speaker 9: a very interesting kind of tension where there was like
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Speaker 9: there's a bit of cross talking going on.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think, look, people should be able to choose
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Speaker 1: their own company, and if transgender women feel excluded, they
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Speaker 1: can form perhaps their own group. I don't know, find
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Speaker 1: one that is more compatible for them. But what is
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Speaker 1: the problem with the Lesbian Action Group of being forced
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Speaker 1: to include transgender women?
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Speaker 9: Look, I think this is like it's so obvious in
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Speaker 9: the case of lesbian community in particular, I mean lesbians
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Speaker 9: and then lesbian feminist, which the Lesbian Action Group is.
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Speaker 9: So lesbians are people who sleep with and have romantic
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Speaker 9: engagements with other female people, and then lesbian feminists are
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Speaker 9: people who put all of their sort of like emotional
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Speaker 9: energies and political energies into women. So there's just there's
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Speaker 9: no place for men in that community. There's no sexual
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Speaker 9: or romantic place, and there's no kind of political place.
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Speaker 9: So the sort of forced inclusion or mandatory inclusion being
21:04
Speaker 9: pushed by the AHRC to make these women have men
21:08
Speaker 9: self identify in it's just it's just ridiculous. It would
21:13
Speaker 9: just involve those women, what, lying and pretending or being polite,
21:17
Speaker 9: but having zero interest in romagical sexual engagements or political
21:22
Speaker 9: activity or any sort of association with those men, like
21:26
Speaker 9: that's part of their philosophy and politics that they are
21:29
Speaker 9: kind of from men.
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Speaker 1: Well, Holly, you know what the next step would be
21:35
Speaker 1: that if you then refuse to date someone in one
21:39
Speaker 1: of these clubs, you then are exposed again to a discrimination,
21:44
Speaker 1: claims of discrimination. There's got to be a stop to this, Holly, Lord,
21:47
Speaker 1: it's been thank you so much a deed for your
21:49
Speaker 1: time after the break. Donald Trump actually has run one
21:54
Speaker 1: of my guests, my regular weekly guests for advice, who
21:57
Speaker 1: is the bank next week? With the giggling shape shifting
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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris, You're going to get a sneak preview of
22:04
Speaker 1: the plan. I mean, this is amazing. US vist President
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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris. She is still refusing to say what she'd
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Speaker 1: actually do as president if she wins the US election
22:17
Speaker 1: in two months time. And this is now becoming very serious.
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Speaker 1: In fact, it's also a fast This is a woman,
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Speaker 1: right who will even change her accent depending on who
22:28
Speaker 1: she's trying to please. It's our little sense of self
22:31
Speaker 1: she has. This is harrih speaking in what I guess
22:35
Speaker 1: her normal accent.
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Speaker 10: If there's such a one, thank unions every day for
22:42
Speaker 10: the five day work week, for the weekend, for paid leave,
22:47
Speaker 10: if you've got it, still got work to do that.
22:50
Speaker 1: Here she is saying the very same kind of thing
22:51
Speaker 1: at a rally in a kind of African American street accent.
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Speaker 11: Yah matter, thank our union uma for sick leave.
23:01
Speaker 10: You better thank a union member for paid leave. You
23:04
Speaker 10: better thank a union member for vacation time.
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Speaker 1: Now, on Friday, Harris did give her first and only
23:12
Speaker 1: interview in a five weeks as the Democrat candidate with
23:16
Speaker 1: a friendly interviewer on the very left winging CNN, taking
23:19
Speaker 1: along her coach and running mate Tim Walls to soak
23:23
Speaker 1: up the time so that she managed to get away
23:26
Speaker 1: with speaking for just sixteen minutes in all, most of
23:29
Speaker 1: it fluff plus of words salured when she tried to
23:32
Speaker 1: hide her radical global warming agenda.
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Speaker 10: The climate crisis is real, that it is an urgent
23:39
Speaker 10: matter to which we should apply metrics that include holding
23:43
Speaker 10: ourselves to deadlines around time.
23:49
Speaker 1: Apply metrics to hold ourselves to deadlines around time seriously.
23:55
Speaker 1: But let's just take one issue that she still doesn't explain. Israel. Now,
24:00
Speaker 1: the very left wing Harris has said she supported Israel,
24:04
Speaker 1: but then hinted what some left wing groups have claimed,
24:06
Speaker 1: she privately thinks that she will restrict or could US
24:09
Speaker 1: military aid.
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Speaker 10: I am unequivocal and unwavering in my commitment Israel's defense
24:17
Speaker 10: and its ability to defend itself, and that's not going
24:20
Speaker 10: to change, and how it does all matters.
24:24
Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 1: This is serious now because the Buden Harris administration looks
24:27
Speaker 1: pathetically weak after Hamas on the weekend executed six of
24:32
Speaker 1: its Jewish hostages after making them first take farewell messages
24:36
Speaker 1: and Hamas propaganda. Now one of those hostages and then
24:39
Speaker 1: shot in the head was actually an American citizen, Hirsh
24:42
Speaker 1: Golbert Poland. Yet President Joe Biden was look, I think
24:46
Speaker 1: absolutely disgusting yesterday in attacking the Israeli Prime minister over
24:51
Speaker 1: that death.
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Speaker 6: It's a president and do you think it's time for
24:54
Speaker 6: pro prime minister that in Yahoo.
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Speaker 12: Could do more on the issue.
24:58
Speaker 4: Do you think he's.
24:59
Speaker 1: Doing or not? No, Netnye, who wasn't doing enough to
25:06
Speaker 1: talk peace with Hamas and get the hostages free. That
25:10
Speaker 1: is a rich coming from a bloke who's just spent
25:12
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks on the beach loafing. And
25:16
Speaker 1: where's Kamala Harris silent? Where's a running mate? Tim Walls?
25:22
Speaker 1: When journalists asked him about the murders yesterday, he said
25:25
Speaker 1: nothing and just walked away. What a pathetic, weak, unprincipled
25:29
Speaker 1: pack of showboaters, no backbone at all. Joining me as
25:33
Speaker 1: Sean Spicer, first White House spokesman of President Donald Trump,
25:40
Speaker 1: Shawn Spice is great to see you. Can you actually
25:42
Speaker 1: tell me what Kamala Harris's policy is on Israel. I mean,
25:46
Speaker 1: does she even have one not see that? Biden, Harris
25:49
Speaker 1: actually haven't done anything to rescue your own American hostage
25:54
Speaker 1: over there held by Hamas.
25:58
Speaker 6: You know, it's actually a very sad point. Andrew. We
26:03
Speaker 6: have now an additional four Americans who continue to be held,
26:07
Speaker 6: and you wouldn't know it by the public pronouncements. I
26:11
Speaker 6: would have expected any White House to make this a
26:15
Speaker 6: priority in terms of talking about what they're doing. Joe
26:19
Speaker 6: Biden today, when it was announced that another American had
26:23
Speaker 6: been killed, tried to make the say. He said that
26:26
Speaker 6: he'd been working tirelessly and with all due respect to
26:29
Speaker 6: the president, he's on a vacation from his vacation. He
26:32
Speaker 6: remember he went to the Democratic National Convention and then
26:36
Speaker 6: flew to California for vacation, and then he flew home
26:39
Speaker 6: to Rohobeth Beach to go on vacation from his vacation.
26:44
Speaker 6: I think it's kind of insulting to the American people's
26:46
Speaker 6: intelligence to make it believe that you've been working NonStop,
26:49
Speaker 6: as he said, But even more so the vice president,
26:53
Speaker 6: who's obviously seeking to replacement his commander in chief hasn't
26:56
Speaker 6: spoken publicly about this. Yes, she released a statement, her
27:00
Speaker 6: and her running mate haven't spoken publicly about this, And
27:03
Speaker 6: I just it blows my mind to be honest as
27:07
Speaker 6: an American, that we have these hostages being taken and
27:12
Speaker 6: the only thing that President of the United States can
27:14
Speaker 6: say right now is that he wants a prime minister
27:16
Speaker 6: net and Yahoo to do more.
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Speaker 1: It seems disrespectful to bracket this with what we've just
27:23
Speaker 1: talked about. But Kama Haah speaking in different accents depending
27:27
Speaker 1: on her audience, to me, it is part of it.
27:30
Speaker 1: It is part of it. No care beliefs she's just pandering.
27:35
Speaker 1: Who else does that?
27:37
Speaker 6: Well, let me quote you back to you. I believe
27:42
Speaker 6: that you coined the phrase shape shifter. And it's not
27:45
Speaker 6: just her policies, but now you're right, it's her accents
27:48
Speaker 6: and it's pandering at its worse. It's amazing that it
27:52
Speaker 6: doesn't get the attention that it should because any other
27:56
Speaker 6: politician that did what she did, not only on her issues,
27:58
Speaker 6: but clearly now in the tone of voice that she uses,
28:01
Speaker 6: it's insulting to the American people, it's demeaning to voters,
28:06
Speaker 6: and frankly, I can't believe that someone thinks, in this
28:09
Speaker 6: day and age with video that you can get away
28:11
Speaker 6: with it. But this is at least what I think,
28:13
Speaker 6: the third time that she has done this. So it's
28:16
Speaker 6: not just the issues that she's a shape shifter on,
28:19
Speaker 6: but it's actually her accents. And I again, I mean
28:23
Speaker 6: in any other political world, this would this would be
28:25
Speaker 6: a story, and frankly, it would be insulting. The idea
28:28
Speaker 6: that you pick up an accent and make it sound
28:31
Speaker 6: like you're one of them.
28:34
Speaker 1: It shows no real sense of self either. You cannot
28:38
Speaker 1: imagine Donald Trump changing his accent depending on the mob
28:42
Speaker 1: is with. That's seeing an interview, seeing in an interview
28:45
Speaker 1: that Kamala Harris finally agreed to the only one she's
28:49
Speaker 1: given in you know, a month and a half now
28:52
Speaker 1: as candidate. What did you make of it?
28:57
Speaker 6: I mean it was embarrassing, to be honest with you,
28:59
Speaker 6: I think it was fifty to fifty. I was embarrassed
29:02
Speaker 6: for CNN, who's supposed to who likes to talk about
29:06
Speaker 6: themselves as a legitimate news organization. I mean, on a
29:09
Speaker 6: number of fronts, it was embarrassing the lack of follow
29:12
Speaker 6: up the issues that were covered the length and time,
29:16
Speaker 6: and let's be clear, this was you know, I'll speak
29:19
Speaker 6: in language the left likes to talk about their pronouns.
29:23
Speaker 6: This was supposed to be her interview, and that it
29:26
Speaker 6: ended up being their interview. It was kind of pathetic
29:30
Speaker 6: that she couldn't handle a one on one. It looked
29:32
Speaker 6: like a mix between a parent teacher student, you know,
29:36
Speaker 6: conference that you have for a child, and then a deposition.
29:41
Speaker 6: But she just she kept going back to my values
29:43
Speaker 6: haven't changed. Well, then what did change? But on every
29:47
Speaker 6: question that she was asked, it was so staged, phony
29:50
Speaker 6: and and authentic. I think that the funny part about that,
29:54
Speaker 6: Andrew is Number one, you realize why they don't do
29:57
Speaker 6: them often. Number two, I don't think you'll see another
29:59
Speaker 6: one again, at least not before the September tenth to be.
30:02
Speaker 6: And number three is it just continued to reveal how
30:05
Speaker 6: inauthentic she is. I think she did more damage than
30:09
Speaker 6: good by this interview. There were so many voters that
30:11
Speaker 6: I talked, talked about, or talked to that said, you know,
30:14
Speaker 6: I was on the fence to vote for I don't
30:17
Speaker 6: like Trump. I just can't vote for her.
30:19
Speaker 9: Now.
30:19
Speaker 6: She really did some damage with that interview.
30:23
Speaker 1: Well, I thought, so, she's a diminutive woman to start with,
30:26
Speaker 1: but then to have you know, this big bloke waltz
30:31
Speaker 1: next to her, it really dwarfed her. And I think
30:34
Speaker 1: a lot of people have missed what he was really
30:36
Speaker 1: there for. It wasn't just as a coach or a
30:39
Speaker 1: comfort animal or something like that, a comfort pet. It
30:42
Speaker 1: was so that some questions to be directed to him
30:45
Speaker 1: to just soak up the time, to minimize how many
30:47
Speaker 1: opportunities she'd have to stuff up. The polls are finally sewn,
30:52
Speaker 1: the media keep promoting ones. I mean, the Drudge Report
30:55
Speaker 1: has turned into fully fledged vote Kamala operation. It's a
30:59
Speaker 1: shadow of itself. But the media keeps promoting polls showing
31:02
Speaker 1: Harris leading Trump everywhere. But I actually see respectable poll
31:09
Speaker 1: showing she's behind many of the states she actually needs
31:12
Speaker 1: to win. How do you see it?
31:16
Speaker 6: Well, look, I think we always knew it was going
31:19
Speaker 6: to be tight once they got rid of Joe Biden.
31:22
Speaker 6: The reality is that it was going to be a
31:24
Speaker 6: tight race from the beginning. We've had two cycles of
31:27
Speaker 6: tight races. But here's the glimmer of hope for Trump
31:30
Speaker 6: more than anything else, because in the final sixty days,
31:34
Speaker 6: we'll go back and forth in the various battleground states.
31:36
Speaker 6: Who's up boosdown, whether it's immigration, the economy, inflation, on
31:42
Speaker 6: every one of those key issues that the American people
31:45
Speaker 6: say are top of mind with respect to how they're
31:48
Speaker 6: going to make up their mind to vote, Donald Trump
31:51
Speaker 6: is up somewhere close to double digits. You know. I
31:54
Speaker 6: had a chance to talk to to President Trump Friday night.
31:58
Speaker 6: We talked a little about policy, but he gets this,
32:01
Speaker 6: and I think the more that we see it down
32:04
Speaker 6: the stretch, I would expect to see more focus on
32:07
Speaker 6: those key issues because he wins on every single one
32:10
Speaker 6: of them.
32:11
Speaker 1: Soul Spacer, I don't want to prior too much him.
32:14
Speaker 1: What's obviously a private conversation with the president, But how
32:19
Speaker 1: did this conversation come about? Can you tell us that,
32:22
Speaker 1: and perhaps you'll side of it what you told him
32:24
Speaker 1: and whether regard it. Yeah.
32:27
Speaker 6: Well, again, I've always said that I don't reveal my
32:30
Speaker 6: conversations with him. What I will say is I was
32:31
Speaker 6: with him briefly on Friday night. We talked about the
32:34
Speaker 6: upcoming debate, and I will tell you this. Number One,
32:37
Speaker 6: he always rises to the occasion. He knows what's at stake.
32:42
Speaker 6: We discussed that he tactically knows what he has to
32:45
Speaker 6: do and I'll leave it at that, and he knows
32:47
Speaker 6: tactically what she's going to try to do. So I
32:53
Speaker 6: feel very confident in him going into this debate knowing
32:56
Speaker 6: what he needs to do, knowing what he expects her
33:00
Speaker 6: to do, and how to avoid those traps. So I
33:03
Speaker 6: actually do expect a strong debate performance from month September tenth.
33:08
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Sean, I bet you you told him.
33:11
Speaker 1: What she will do is look for the opportunity to
33:13
Speaker 1: say to you, I'm speaking. I'm speaking.
33:16
Speaker 2: Please you know what you and I?
33:19
Speaker 6: You and I Andrew I think I won't. I will
33:21
Speaker 6: tell you this right now. I think we think very
33:23
Speaker 6: a lot.
33:24
Speaker 4: He colls that.
33:27
Speaker 1: Good on, Shan, Sean Spicer, great to see you again,
33:31
Speaker 1: you bet. After the Break of Sydney, counselor facted to
33:36
Speaker 1: become Lord Mayor says that as an Aboriginal woman the lord,
33:40
Speaker 1: the word lord must go from the title. Wait until
33:44
Speaker 1: she hears the problem with the word mayor. Do see
33:51
Speaker 1: the agenda of these identity politics warriors? I mean, seriously,
33:58
Speaker 1: A counselor in Sydney identifying as Aboriginal, and she does
34:02
Speaker 1: have some Aboriginal industry. Yvon Weldon, she's campaigning again to
34:06
Speaker 1: become Sydney's Lord Mayor and she says she wants to
34:10
Speaker 1: get rid of the word lord from that title, just
34:13
Speaker 1: be called mayor instead, not Lord mayor, just mayor. She
34:17
Speaker 1: says that I think the term lord suggests a superiority
34:20
Speaker 1: to the people, and to me, the mayor should be
34:23
Speaker 1: a servant of the people rather than the master. Australia
34:25
Speaker 1: as an independent, sovereign and democratic nation and for me,
34:28
Speaker 1: as a rajury woman, I don't relate to the term lord,
34:33
Speaker 1: joined mister panel. Will Kingston, hosts of Fire at Will,
34:36
Speaker 1: the podcast from The Spectator on politics and culture, and
34:39
Speaker 1: Scarney's host The Nikir to Georgia of Janika and James
34:42
Speaker 1: every sonner here at SKay at eight pm. Now, I've
34:45
Speaker 1: got to say, will Ivon Weldon says that as a
34:49
Speaker 1: worrajury woman she doesn't relate to the word lord, which
34:53
Speaker 1: suggests master, who's going to tell this worrajury woman that
34:59
Speaker 1: the word mayor is from the Latin word meaning greater
35:03
Speaker 1: or superior. If she's got a problem with one that
35:05
Speaker 1: should have a problem with both.
35:09
Speaker 2: I was a terrible Latin studentander, so it probably won't
35:12
Speaker 2: be me. But what I would say is, in the
35:14
Speaker 2: words of George All, if thought can corrupt language, then
35:18
Speaker 2: language can corrupt thought. Make no mistake. Language is such
35:22
Speaker 2: a central part of this radical progressive agenda because if
35:27
Speaker 2: you can start chipping away language in this way, even
35:29
Speaker 2: small little ways like this, you can start to chip
35:32
Speaker 2: away at the values and the history that that language represents.
35:36
Speaker 2: This isn't really about an Indigenous woman with a problem
35:38
Speaker 2: with the word lord. This is the colonization agenda. This
35:42
Speaker 2: is the agenda to rip apart our history bit by bit.
35:46
Speaker 2: And if we seed ground on admittedly little things like this,
35:50
Speaker 2: then we've opened the door to this wide scale revisionism
35:53
Speaker 2: of Australian history and of our values. And that's why
35:56
Speaker 2: we cannot take a backward step, even on small matters
35:59
Speaker 2: like this.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm going to say something very very hope and
36:06
Speaker 1: not controversial about this on tomorrow's show, a particular word
36:11
Speaker 1: that they're trying to wipe out from the language in
36:14
Speaker 1: this area. But Dnika, I mean, the whole thing is
36:17
Speaker 1: of course the reason people are finding so furiously to
36:20
Speaker 1: become Lord Mayor of Sydney. Is that indeed, it does
36:24
Speaker 1: have a connotation of power and authority over others. It
36:28
Speaker 1: is exactly why it's such a free for all trying
36:32
Speaker 1: to replace Clovermore.
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Speaker 12: Yes, absolutely, it's very bizarre. And I've got to say, Andrew,
36:37
Speaker 12: when you've got lord and Mayor, as you so rightly
36:41
Speaker 12: pointed out, basically meaning the same thing, it reminded me
36:44
Speaker 12: of a quote from an American conservative commentator, Thomas Sole,
36:49
Speaker 12: who once said that crusaders with an utter certainty about
36:53
Speaker 12: their mission are often undeterred by evidence. And I think
36:58
Speaker 12: that that's exactly what we're seeing in this case, when
37:01
Speaker 12: you've got a person who is not only trying to
37:04
Speaker 12: rewrite history but also now rewrite language. There is no
37:09
Speaker 12: evidence to support that. Look, these people are desperately trying
37:13
Speaker 12: to wipe out parts of our history. I would like
37:15
Speaker 12: to know are there any candidates running in the local
37:18
Speaker 12: government elections that genuinely stand for roads, rates and rubbish,
37:22
Speaker 12: not running on a trivial platform, not trying to change things.
37:26
Speaker 12: Because when you start your electoral campaign like this, Andrew, well,
37:32
Speaker 12: God help the residents and the rate pays of the
37:34
Speaker 12: City of Sydney. If this person gets elected, just.
37:39
Speaker 1: Tell us exactly, yes, you're quite correct. What are you
37:42
Speaker 1: going to do about the bins? But you don't exercise
37:46
Speaker 1: your power by getting the bins collected on time? Will
37:50
Speaker 1: the pro Palestinian crowd I have to say, you know,
37:54
Speaker 1: daily weekly, lets the mask slip? What the true agenda
37:58
Speaker 1: really is. I think it's just a barbarian front, to
38:01
Speaker 1: be honest. The poster for the latest Free palistin Rallian
38:05
Speaker 1: Melbourne on Sunday not just three names. Melbourne nam an
38:10
Speaker 1: Aboriginal word for a city that actually didn't exist before
38:14
Speaker 1: white settlers. So why the aboriginal name? And it includes
38:17
Speaker 1: at the bottom the slogan de militarize Australia. Can you explain, Will,
38:23
Speaker 1: why they want to demilitarize Australia. This silent on demilitarizing
38:27
Speaker 1: Hamas or China, or Iran or Russia or the Huti rebels,
38:32
Speaker 1: Why Australia.
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Speaker 2: Barbe it from me to try and get into the
38:38
Speaker 2: mind of the nutter lefty, but I can have a
38:41
Speaker 2: crack and that is this comes back to that wonderful word,
38:44
Speaker 2: the Omni cause. Andrew. Somehow Hamas Palestine is related to
38:49
Speaker 2: climate change, is related to the military industrial complex, is
38:53
Speaker 2: related to gender ideology, it is related to racism and
38:56
Speaker 2: so on. They all sort of bubble together strangely. And
38:59
Speaker 2: that's that's why the issue is never the issue. When
39:01
Speaker 2: you look at this sort of stuff. It all comes
39:03
Speaker 2: back to what we were saying in that previous conversation,
39:06
Speaker 2: which is this is about tearing down what we have
39:09
Speaker 2: built up and what we value as a Western liberal
39:12
Speaker 2: democracy and as Australia. And that's why you can never
39:16
Speaker 2: take this stuff seriously on its face. You have to
39:18
Speaker 2: look and peel it away and say, what are they
39:20
Speaker 2: really trying to do here? And it's this whole postmodernist agenda,
39:23
Speaker 2: And unfortunately, I don't think enough people are pushing back
39:27
Speaker 2: and supporting and championing our values in response to this stuff.
39:33
Speaker 1: Look, I think you're absolutely right about the Omni cause,
39:35
Speaker 1: I mean the whole you know, gay rights for Wales
39:39
Speaker 1: kind of phenomena. You stretch my calls. A lot of
39:43
Speaker 1: Jewish intellectuals of the left are feeling totally now betrayed
39:46
Speaker 1: because they went along with a report, you know, supporting
39:49
Speaker 1: all these causes. Suddenly they're out they're being ejected, they're
39:52
Speaker 1: not wanted by the very same people and they're discombobulated.
39:57
Speaker 1: But it's interesting, Denika, I mentioned earlier in the show
40:00
Speaker 1: that it masked for six Jewish hostages to take farewell
40:04
Speaker 1: videos and they shot them all in their head on
40:06
Speaker 1: the weekend. I looked for a condemnation from this from
40:10
Speaker 1: the left. I didn't see it. I looked specifically for
40:13
Speaker 1: our top Muslim groups that condemn this atrocity done in
40:16
Speaker 1: the name of Islamic terrorists, and why not say they're
40:20
Speaker 1: even handed on this. Nothing not on the website in
40:23
Speaker 1: the Stream Federation and the Tainamic Councils. Not on the
40:25
Speaker 1: website of the National I Mum's Council. But am I unfair?
40:28
Speaker 1: Should I have actually expected them to denounce this.
40:32
Speaker 12: I don't think we should have such high expectations, Andrew,
40:35
Speaker 12: I mean we know in the wake of the October
40:37
Speaker 12: seven massacre, the exact same thing happened. There was general
40:41
Speaker 12: silence from a number of these groups, and even a
40:44
Speaker 12: spokesperson at the time for the Islamic Council of Victoria said,
40:48
Speaker 12: in relation to October seven, and I will quote it
40:50
Speaker 12: for you, we denounce any violence and killing of civilians.
40:54
Speaker 12: But what we don't denounce very clearly is legitimate acts
40:57
Speaker 12: of resistance appalled statement in itself. Look, what's happened here
41:02
Speaker 12: with the hostages is terrible. It should be called out
41:06
Speaker 12: by everybody, every group, and we have to also remember
41:09
Speaker 12: that these Muslim groups have a lot of power and
41:13
Speaker 12: that their voices matter. It would be very wise to
41:17
Speaker 12: come out and condemn this. However, I don't think we
41:20
Speaker 12: should have such grand expectations.
41:24
Speaker 1: I've been saying for twenty years in this area that
41:27
Speaker 1: if only they did, you know, not act so tribally,
41:32
Speaker 1: but in the national interests and condemn things like this,
41:34
Speaker 1: which is quite normal human reaction. The goodwill that they
41:38
Speaker 1: would get would be overwhelming. If only they knew what
41:42
Speaker 1: was better for their community. Well, I shouldn't say the community.
41:45
Speaker 1: It's tribal, though, is it will? This is what we're
41:48
Speaker 1: really facing, not just in this issue so much, a
41:51
Speaker 1: tribalism that is dividing us.
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Speaker 2: Proublism that's dividing. It's not just along religious lines, but
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Speaker 2: increasingly along gender lines, along racial lines, long any manner
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Speaker 2: of identity politics lines. It's very sad, Andrew. The one
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Speaker 2: thing I would say on the same day that those
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Speaker 2: trustes were committed, the UK government announced arms in Bargo
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Speaker 2: in Israel, which is morally reprehensible. I don't expect much
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Speaker 2: from religious groups like this, but I do expect stuff
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Speaker 2: from the Australian government. I really hope they don't follow
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Speaker 2: the UK government's lead.
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Speaker 1: You are so right to say that, Will. I'm going
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Speaker 1: to be discussing that after the break because that is
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Speaker 1: just so disgusting. Not just they did it, but the
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Speaker 1: timing is just so appalling at Will Kinstondnika to Georgio,
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Speaker 1: thank you both for your time after the break. Yes,
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Speaker 1: the cracker and the minister who actually got better treatment
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Speaker 1: in hospital because she said she was anti Israel, I mean, unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: Plus what I actually mentioned there with Will, the disgusting
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Speaker 1: timing of the British government in Britain new Foreign Secretary
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Speaker 1: David Lammy, He's already qualified to be one of the
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Speaker 1: most stupid foreign ministers anywhere that I've ever seen. Yesterday,
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Speaker 1: just two days or so after Hamas executed these six
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Speaker 1: Jewish hostages, announced he was banning some of Britain's military
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Speaker 1: supplies of Israel.
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Speaker 13: Anything other than that for certain UK arms exports to
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Speaker 13: Israelel there does exist a clear risk that might be
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Speaker 13: used to commit or facilitate a serious violation of international
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Speaker 13: humanitarian law.
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Speaker 1: So here is Israel simultaneously finding off terror attacks from Hamas,
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Speaker 1: the Hesbela terrorist army in Lebanon, the Hooties in Yemen,
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Speaker 1: and Iran itself, plus a gaggle of Iranian backed militias
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Speaker 1: in places like Syria and Iraq. It's now just had
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Speaker 1: six Jews executed in cold blood on top of that,
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Speaker 1: and that is exactly when Britain decides, well, this is
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Speaker 1: the perfect time to say it can't help Israel defend itself.
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Speaker 1: These they are war criminals. Joining me from London is
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Speaker 1: writer broadcast from Columnsiyskrek, who I don't expect you to
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Speaker 1: be as strong as me and passions me in Israel's defense.
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Speaker 1: But I've got to say this timing seems to me
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Speaker 1: absolutely disgusting. Hamas and Iran will be celebrating when even
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Speaker 1: the mess murder of Jewish hostages will not stop Britain
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Speaker 1: from punishing Israel.
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Speaker 11: Instead, Well, this is one of the things that many
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Speaker 11: were scared of when when labor you know, the majority
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Speaker 11: in Parliament and David Lami was announced the new Foreign Secretary,
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Speaker 11: is it would exactly these types of tone death, unhelpful,
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Speaker 11: illogical moves that we were worried about, because you know,
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Speaker 11: this is just this could just be the beginning. Since
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Speaker 11: twenty twenty one, the UK has exported about seventeen billion
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Speaker 11: pounds worth of weapons to countries with proven human rights abuses,
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Speaker 11: like Qatar, like Bahrain, like Arabia, like Turkey, like Egypt,
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Speaker 11: and yet the UK government hasn't seen it fit to
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Speaker 11: ban any sort of weapon sales to these countries. But
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Speaker 11: when Israel is fighting a war just two days after
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Speaker 11: you saw these these hostages murdered in cold blood, this
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Speaker 11: is when David Lammy chooses to And he didn't even
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Speaker 11: say that because because they're they're they are the risk
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Speaker 11: of humanitarian or human rights abuse. He's just said there
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Speaker 11: are allegations of it. So countries have proven human rights
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Speaker 11: for record abuses, we're not going to to ban weapons
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Speaker 11: sales to them. But a country that's fighting a war,
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Speaker 11: a very contentious war, that's that's what's going to happen.
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Speaker 11: And there are many people that are just ashamed to
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Speaker 11: be British today just because it doesn't make sense, it's illogical,
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Speaker 11: it's inconsistent, and it just it affects. It negatively affects
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Speaker 11: Britain's reputation worldwide. And now we're thinking not just about
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Speaker 11: Britain's attitude that well, the new government's behavior towards Israel.
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Speaker 11: What's going to happen if Trump wins the White House
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Speaker 11: in November? Are they going to scoffer any trade deals
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Speaker 11: just because they don't like the big Orange Man. They're
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Speaker 11: wider implications of actually negatively affecting our relationship with our
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Speaker 11: allies that go beyond ideologue ideologues and activists like David Lammy.
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Speaker 11: And the reality is the UK and Israel will exists
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Speaker 11: much longer after Kirstarma and his ministers are booted out
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Speaker 11: of government. But what happens to the relationship between the
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Speaker 11: two countries when you can have officials like this not
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Speaker 11: understand the nuances and the delicacies of a conflict like this.
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Speaker 11: No one that I've spoken to disagrees that moving forward,
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Speaker 11: harmas needs did not be in the equation that they
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Speaker 11: cannot have any role in the region moving forward. No
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Speaker 11: one disagrees with the fact that we want the fighting
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Speaker 11: to end and for the hostages to be returned and
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Speaker 11: for peace to be restored. But to do this, you're
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Speaker 11: actually undermining any sort of long lasting peace process because
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Speaker 11: you basically just said Israel is guilty and what happened
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Speaker 11: to innocent until proven guilty.
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Speaker 1: Well, there also shows is that if you take hostages
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Speaker 1: and kill them, you get a reward, you get a result.
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Speaker 1: And I have to say Boris Johnson, former Prime Minister,
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Speaker 1: is blasted the government for doing this, but honestly it
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Speaker 1: is just so depressing. I'm sure, like me, you find
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Speaker 1: nothing more refreshing than watching a socialist enjoying the perks
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Speaker 1: of power. But I have to say this something sinister
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Speaker 1: in this Onne. Jess Phillips is a minister in your
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Speaker 1: labor government, very pro Palestinian, and she says she had
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Speaker 1: to go for a treatment at Birmingham Hospital and says
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Speaker 1: I got through because of who I am. Also, the
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Speaker 1: doctor who saw me was Palestinian, as it turns out
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Speaker 1: almost all the doctors in Birmingham seemed to be, and
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Speaker 1: he was sort of like I like you, you voted
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Speaker 1: for a cease fire and seas far in Israel in Gaza,
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Speaker 1: I got through quicker. Now I wonder who she pushed
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Speaker 1: it out of the queue that was ahead of her,
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Speaker 1: and whether these doctors would even treat Jews. What's the
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Speaker 1: reaction to this being.
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Speaker 11: I think that's something quite telling about the fact that
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Speaker 11: she felt confident enough to say this before she knew
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Speaker 11: that the labor sort of HQ will scuffle to try
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Speaker 11: and modify her statements so that it doesn't look as
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Speaker 11: blatantly shameless as it is. But the reality is, you know,
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Speaker 11: I've worked with Jess Phillips, I've done some shows with her. She,
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Speaker 11: like every other politician, knows where her bread is button.
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Speaker 11: This is a woman that has been charged with progressing
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Speaker 11: women and girls' rights in the UK and protecting them
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Speaker 11: against sort of mini sexual based violence. But she had
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Speaker 11: nothing to say about the fact that she was heckled
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Speaker 11: when she won her seat again just last month by
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Speaker 11: a bunch of misogynists who happened to be overset milk.
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Speaker 5: I'm sure we.
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Speaker 11: Both know, so you know, the fact that she was
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Speaker 11: able to say this comfortably is even more worrying because
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Speaker 11: she knows that there's certain people that will not see
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Speaker 11: anything wrong with now the extension of tribalism extending to
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Speaker 11: healthcare provision I mean, can you imagine a doctor saying
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Speaker 11: that he wasn't going to treat he or she wasn't
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Speaker 11: going to treat a person that was Jewish, for example,
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Speaker 11: because they did not support it a ceasefire or whatever
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Speaker 11: other conditions they were. It is a complete disaster, and
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Speaker 11: it's just discouraging.
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Speaker 1: It this happening to say the least. Absolutely, it's a
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Speaker 1: great to talk to you, Thanks for your time. That's
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Speaker 1: it for me, coming up next, Shrry Mason. Good night,