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Interview with Justin and Kyra of Westx1000 on living remote, exploring Japan, and doing more with less · The Overland Journal Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 1: Scott Brady, and I'm here with my co host Matt Scott.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what are we doing. I don't know what we're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody tell me, no, we're This is kind of cool.
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  Speaker 2: We're here with our friends Justin and Kira from West
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  Speaker 2: By one thousand contributors, longtime friends of Overland Journal. These
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  Speaker 2: guys kind of go everywhere on two wheels, and I
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  Speaker 2: think one of the things that we like so much
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  Speaker 2: about it is they actually kind of do it in
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  Speaker 2: an attainable way, which is really rare. They're not on
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  Speaker 2: the fanciest bikes, they're not in the biggest bikes. They
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  Speaker 2: kind of just get after it. They're always out exploring.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a really great thing to have you guys on.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for coming up.
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  Speaker 3: We appreciate being invited.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well yeah, And from my perspective, the quality of the
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  Speaker 1: content that you guys produce is world class. You guys
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  Speaker 1: have done several things for the magazine justin your photography
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  Speaker 2: The quality of work that you're doing.
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  Speaker 1: Matt and I were just talking earlier today and some
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  Speaker 2: Thank you the work you're doing.
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  Speaker 1: And another thing that's always been so aspiring to me
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  Speaker 1: is the fact that you guys have been able to
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  Speaker 1: kind of just take your own path. You've never just
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  Speaker 1: stuck yourself on like the Influencer Train or anything else.
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  Speaker 1: You've done what felt creatively inspiring to yourselves and allowed
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  Speaker 1: you guys to travel together and have all these amazing
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  Speaker 1: new experiences. So it seems like you've put those things first.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe talk about that a little bit. How do
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  Speaker 1: you guys make decisions about what you're going to do next?
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  Speaker 2: Is it just a complete madhouse and you're gonna give
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  Speaker 2: us some Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: I mean a lot of it is sort of not
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  Speaker 4: saying no to things like when opportunities. When people come
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  Speaker 4: to us with an opportunity were unless there's a schedule conflict,
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  Speaker 4: we usually I say yes, yeah, as long as that
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  Speaker 4: sounds cool.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's on that like the long list of things
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  Speaker 5: we've wanted to see or do sort of thing that's like, okay,
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  Speaker 5: we have a free few months. This is the right
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  Speaker 5: weather or the right time to go to Italy or
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  Speaker 5: go to Mongol or or something.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you guys are such nomads. You're kind of
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  Speaker 2: everywhere always.
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  Speaker 4: It's been seven seven years, I think, yeah, since we've
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  Speaker 4: been we've been pretty much on the road for like
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  Speaker 4: seven years. I mean yeah, yeah, I mean we have
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  Speaker 4: you know, you know, our things in one place. Now.
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  Speaker 4: Finally we had a garage. That was it.
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  Speaker 2: I remember the garage. It was a garage filled with
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  Speaker 2: Moto gear. It was a really cool garage.
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  Speaker 5: And then we bought garage doors for his mom's house
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  Speaker 5: and she lets us store our crap there.
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  Speaker 4: It was a pretty good trade, much cheaper. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 4: was a pretty good trade instead of having like a
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  Speaker 4: storage garage for the joke.
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  Speaker 2: So you guys bounced between Phoenix and then spend most
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  Speaker 2: of your time kind of these days in en Sonata,
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  Speaker 2: which is cool. I mean, what do you guys like
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  Speaker 2: so much about and Sonata? I mean, I love Baha,
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  Speaker 2: we all love Baja.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think everybody loves it.
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  Speaker 2: It's not scary. You should go. It's definitely not scary.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, culturally, it's extremely developed and it's diverse. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: if you want to meet passionate entrepreneurs and artists, there's
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  Speaker 5: a lot of them down there. Obviously, we have friends
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  Speaker 5: and we have kind of a homestead to go back to,
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  Speaker 5: so it's really easy for us. But there's just so
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  Speaker 5: much on a personal level with nature, with the people.
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  Speaker 3: The language Berri is not too hard, like good food.
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  Speaker 2: Have you guys picked up a little bit of Spanish?
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  Speaker 2: She speaks I'm terrible stumble through.
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  Speaker 4: I can understand it a lot better than she can
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  Speaker 4: speak it.
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  Speaker 5: Well. The problem is that everyone in Sonata speaks well,
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  Speaker 5: not just in Sanata Baja. They speak English, and then
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  Speaker 5: they also, you know, don't have time for you to fumble.
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  Speaker 3: Through your.
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  Speaker 2: We'll take care of it a Spanish.
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  Speaker 4: Most people down there, you know, most people in Baja
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  Speaker 4: want to practice their English as much as.
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  Speaker 2: You want to practice interested.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, you kind of bump into that a lot, like
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  Speaker 4: I yeah, it's I mean, get.
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  Speaker 5: Around everyone's really they find it funny when you actually
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  Speaker 5: do try, and so they'll speak to you in English
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  Speaker 5: in Spanish, so you can practice understand, they encourage you
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  Speaker 5: to speak back to me in English.
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  Speaker 3: We can have like a little language trade.
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  Speaker 2: Cool. Yeah, that's that's something that's like super high on
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  Speaker 2: my list when I actually have well, I need to
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  Speaker 2: just make the time. Yeah, you know, there's so many
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  Speaker 2: wonderful Spanish speaking countries around the world that I really
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  Speaker 2: need to need to prioritize that. I mean, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: all of them typically when you're down there, they speak English.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe it's the courtesy I need to do back.
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  Speaker 4: We have good friends down there, that's another. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: we have a number of very good friends down there,
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  Speaker 4: and that draws us back down. When COVID she was
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  Speaker 4: talking about this earlier, when COVID hit we were in Sonora.
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  Speaker 4: The Sonora Rally had just wrapped up, and everybody was
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  Speaker 4: bailing and going back to the States, and we just
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  Speaker 4: turned and went west and went town Sonata and we
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  Speaker 4: were there all the way through the end of June.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think actually we made one trek up and
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  Speaker 3: then back down.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we want to. I think we went up to
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  Speaker 4: grab some stuff and then turned around and went back
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  Speaker 4: to Sanada and just stayed all the way through the
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  Speaker 4: end of June, and the place that we stay is
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  Speaker 4: called Granada Cove. It's a little little cove on the
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  Speaker 4: on the on the sea and we called it Granada
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  Speaker 4: Covid because everybody was of stuck there like we. And
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  Speaker 4: we actually ran out of water Memorial Day week and
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  Speaker 4: we ran out of water for like two weeks in
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  Speaker 4: the whole city of en Sonata. There was a fire
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  Speaker 4: at the water treatment plant north of town oh Man,
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  Speaker 4: so for two weeks we had no water and we
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  Speaker 4: had u Mauricio's got this hot tub.
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  Speaker 3: Luckily we had filled for years. It was just empty. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we were in it a lot.
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  Speaker 4: Well, another front of ours. Joel is traveling in a
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  Speaker 4: solar powered van and he had made it as far
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  Speaker 4: as Central Baha and then long story broke down, came
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  Speaker 4: back to en Sonata and we were using the solar
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  Speaker 4: powered van to heat the hot tub, and so during
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  Speaker 4: COVID we were just hanging out in this hot tub
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  Speaker 4: and then.
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  Speaker 5: We run We had a projector and we'd usually run
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  Speaker 5: movies off the van, so we parked the van in
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  Speaker 5: front of the hot tub.
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  Speaker 3: It was a really tough time forever.
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  Speaker 4: But when we ran out of water. We used the
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  Speaker 4: hot tub water for the toilets.
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  Speaker 5: And the neighbors also would come and grab some because
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  Speaker 5: our friends Mauricio and Abby they have a lot more
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  Speaker 5: than maybe some of the people around them, so they
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  Speaker 5: were pretty generous.
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  Speaker 2: That's cool. It seems that culture is very much that way.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: One of the few times I've hitchhiked in my life
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  Speaker 1: was in Mexico, and I just remember being so nervous
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  Speaker 1: being in a different country. One of my first trips,
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  Speaker 1: I was in the middle of Copper Canyon and got
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  Speaker 1: totally lost on a hiking trail and like just stuck
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  Speaker 1: my thumb out in the middle of Mexico. And of
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  Speaker 1: course the people were totally wonderful. Yeah, and some of
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  Speaker 1: them spoke English a little bit, and they were like
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  Speaker 1: making sure that I was okay and like went out
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  Speaker 1: of their way. Every experience just about that I've had
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  Speaker 1: in Mexico has just been so wonderful. Yeah, They're just
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  Speaker 1: it's a great culture down there, and I think that
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  Speaker 1: for me. One of the questions that a couple of
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  Speaker 1: the questions that I wanted to ask, but one comes
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  Speaker 1: to mind fairly early around the conversation that we just
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  Speaker 1: had with where you guys live and how you live
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  Speaker 1: your life. What has living that way taught you? How
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  Speaker 1: has that really changed your perspective as travelers but also.
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  Speaker 2: Like as humans, since you have kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of stripped away a lot of the traditional ways of living.
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  Speaker 1: You don't go to a nine to five, you don't
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  Speaker 1: go to the same home, you don't drive the least sedan. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you guys have completely changed all of those things in
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  Speaker 1: your life. And how has that really changed you? How's
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  Speaker 1: that really affected you?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you really nailed it with the stripping away part.
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  Speaker 4: Especially for me, I've realized you don't need very much stuff.
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  Speaker 4: You need way less stuff than you actually you have currently,
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  Speaker 4: and a lot less than you think you need. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I travel with a backpack full of camera gear and
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  Speaker 4: a duffel bag with clothes, and that's it, And that's
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  Speaker 4: all I need. If I'm riding a motorcycle, you can add,
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  Speaker 4: you know, a helmet and riding gear and some camping
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  Speaker 4: stuff and then you know you're pretty well set. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I think stripping it away and realizing when we first
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  Speaker 4: started really traveling together, like on a permanent basis, we
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  Speaker 4: ended up living in Japan for a while and which.
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  Speaker 2: We want to talk about.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exact. Yeah. I mean, you know, traveling there
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  Speaker 4: and then just bouncing around to other places to work
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  Speaker 4: and do things. You have to keep it small and
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  Speaker 4: you know you can't take all that stuff with you.
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  Speaker 3: So I mean whatever you can carry sort of thing.
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  Speaker 5: You don't want to carry a lot of weight, which
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  Speaker 5: I don't, so you just figure out how to wear
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  Speaker 5: the same.
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  Speaker 2: I think traveling keeps your mind busy and it makes
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  Speaker 2: you realize that it's you know, living in the moment
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  Speaker 2: is actually the most fulfilling thing you can do. I always,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know personally, I always kind of go between
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  Speaker 2: this thing of when I'm traveling, I'm like super happy,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't know how I'll say, but I forget
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  Speaker 2: about Amazon, I forget about that thing that I want.
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  Speaker 2: I forget about the upgrade that I want to do
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  Speaker 2: to my bike or my car or whatever, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: just like living in the moment. I think when you
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  Speaker 2: when you're able to reach that point, you know, you
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  Speaker 2: realize I don't actually need that stuff, and.
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  Speaker 4: You appreciate quality more as well. Yeah, having good I mean,
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  Speaker 4: if you're only going to have a few things, if
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  Speaker 4: you're gonna have one double bad. Yeah, it better be
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  Speaker 4: one you like and you're going to keep using it.
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  Speaker 4: It's going to survive. Like, that's a big that's always
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  Speaker 4: that's been a big part of our Yeah, that's.
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  Speaker 5: Abstinitally been introduced to my lifestyle since I started traveling more.
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  Speaker 3: It's just quality over quantity.
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  Speaker 5: Not having to worry about the durability of my gear
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  Speaker 5: when I we're out in the middle of nowhere and like,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, it's nice on a mental level to
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  Speaker 5: just kind of strip that stuff away and focus on
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  Speaker 5: people that you meet and the landscapes that you experience.
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  Speaker 3: It's and kind of the tasks at hand.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just so much less stuff to worry about.
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  Speaker 1: Kira, How have you found that seven years of living
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  Speaker 1: like that has changed you as a person? How are
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  Speaker 1: you a different Kira today than seven years ago?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm definitely I would say that, you know,
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  Speaker 5: the minimalism obviously, now that we have a little bit
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  Speaker 5: more of kind of a homestead in Arizona and Sonata,
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  Speaker 5: I have more stuff than I had earlier on in
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  Speaker 5: the travels. But I definitely am more thorough and thoughtful
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  Speaker 5: about my choices in everything, and I care more about
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  Speaker 5: the relationships that I have. I don't have time for
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  Speaker 5: a lot of them, so they have to be really worthwhile,
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  Speaker 5: you know. Just and you guys's travelers also probably know.
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  Speaker 5: It's like it's not easy to just.
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  Speaker 3: Maintain a thousand Facebook friendships.
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  Speaker 5: And be really quality because I can hardly call my
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  Speaker 5: best friend from high school, you know, all the time.
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  Speaker 2: So then you're constantly meeting new people. Yeah, right, I
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  Speaker 2: think that's one of the fun things of traveling, at
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  Speaker 2: least for me. I think most travelers it's those connections
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  Speaker 2: and those things that you meet on the road, and
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  Speaker 2: I feel you with like the friends from high school,
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  Speaker 2: like I feel bad, like I love I love a
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  Speaker 2: lot of those people. Dearly. When you're just constantly going
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  Speaker 2: and going and going, it almost just continues to separate
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  Speaker 2: your life from that of a normal one. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 2: makes it harder to but it makes it so hard
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  Speaker 2: to relate.
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  Speaker 1: Does that make it difficult to relate back to those
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  Speaker 1: older relationships because now they're maybe they are doing the
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  Speaker 1: more of the suburban path, which is not a bad thing.
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  Speaker 1: I No, it can be a beautiful thing in many
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  Speaker 1: ways too. So you finding that your Your relationships are
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  Speaker 1: also changing because you need to relate more to the
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  Speaker 1: people that you're with.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I mean well when it comes to the very
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  Speaker 5: few people that I do keep in contact with from
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  Speaker 5: you know, past life sort of thing. Yes, there's a
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  Speaker 5: huge divide I think in what we do. But as
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  Speaker 5: long as you're genuinely interested in that person, it gives me,
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  Speaker 5: you know, my time to listen to them and get
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  Speaker 5: to know what their life is about and hear their
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  Speaker 5: their trials and tribulations, and if they want to hear
• 11:58
  Speaker 5: about mine, they can hear about it. Talk about it
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  Speaker 5: a lot because we're obscure, so people ask about.
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  Speaker 1: It a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Sure, And you know, I kind of get tired of
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  Speaker 5: talking about what I'm doing, so it's nice to actually
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  Speaker 5: hear what your friends are doing for like two hours.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. Yeah, the other side, right, the grass on
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  Speaker 1: the other side, Yeah, the grass is not greener inside.
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  Speaker 1: We have really good lives.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to complain.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't have a lot of I don't have
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  Speaker 4: a lot of old friendships that I maintain. My best
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  Speaker 4: friend is up in Seattle and he's doing He's doing
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  Speaker 4: very well, especially considering where we all came from. And
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  Speaker 4: the lifestyle that he's living is pretty normal. You know,
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  Speaker 4: he's got a normal job, he's got a got a lady,
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  Speaker 4: bought a house. No kids yet, but but.
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  Speaker 3: It's what he wanted. It was like he reached his
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  Speaker 3: goals and so you know, he's happy.
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  Speaker 4: With He actually came down and saw us memory all
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  Speaker 4: day weekend in Mexico. We had to we had to
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  Speaker 4: sneak him in and because they had military had closed
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  Speaker 4: off the highway sure, and we went over the border,
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  Speaker 4: picked him up in San Diego, came back over the
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  Speaker 4: border coming in and Sonata they wouldn't let us in
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  Speaker 4: and all of our stuff was there, you know, our car, everything,
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  Speaker 4: So we had to take some back roads to the
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  Speaker 4: to the VIAT to get him in. But you know,
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  Speaker 4: but he's you know, he's willing to do that. He's
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  Speaker 4: willing to jump on a plane flight down to San
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  Speaker 4: Diego and sneak into Mexico to hang out with me. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, we don't have anything in common in
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  Speaker 4: the general sense anymore.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he yeah, you just care about each other.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he likes you know, he likes fishing
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  Speaker 4: and barbecuing and watching football, on Sunday and.
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  Speaker 2: That's sometimes that's really nice.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I talk about that all the time.
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  Speaker 4: I'd love to just like sit at home and eat
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  Speaker 4: a pack of Oreos and do nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think. I think one of the interesting things
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  Speaker 2: with COVID is so many travelers have been able to
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  Speaker 2: try out that normal nine to five life. Like I've
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  Speaker 2: found myself like, oh, I want to watch football on Sunday. Yeah,
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: that sounds that sounds great. They have those triumphant horn
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  Speaker 2: music and it's really it's like a it's like an event,
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  Speaker 2: but man, like so true, you guys have been able
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  Speaker 2: to kind of keep it going. Like I feel like
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  Speaker 2: one of the things that I really respect about you
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: is you've found a way to kind of ethically and
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: sustainably still explore and live a life of adventure. I
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: guess during COVID, I mean, you guys were just in
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia for the Dakar rally, and then last year
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: you guys were in Peru, Peru for Dakar nineteen. Yeah,
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: end of twenty, so two years ago. I always get
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: Dakar confused because it starts like January first, January first,
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: and the Dakhar twenty twenty one, because it is twenty
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: twenty one, but my mind hasn't switched years.
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: Yet because we get there before the new year. Yeah,
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: oh sure, the new year wherever we're at, So it's yeah.
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: This year we flew out on Christmas.
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we flew about Christmas day to Saudi.
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: Well, we got quarantine in Dubai for a day and
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: then and then ended up night it wasn't yeah, and
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: then ended up in Rio for jetta or quarantine for
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: two days in Jedda and.
• 14:44
  Speaker 5: Like five I think we took more COVID tests before
• 14:48
  Speaker 5: we could.
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: Even start the Dakar and then one on the way home.
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we took like three COVID tests before getting on
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: the flight and then didn't.
• 14:56
  Speaker 5: Get the results back, so we went one wouldn't get
• 14:59
  Speaker 5: the results back in time, so we went to another one.
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: They wouldn't get it back in time, so we went
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: to another one like a mile down the street from
• 15:05
  Speaker 5: the Lax and then took a cab back and we
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: had like fifteen minutes before they wouldn't let us board.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: Wow, it got really lucky.
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, everybody get getting to the dacre As it
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: was a nightmare. I mean the ASO makes like I'm
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: convinced that they set that up, like they make everything
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: difficult for you, like the entire process of getting today.
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: The safer that they get as a whole, the more
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: annoying that I have to make it because there has
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: to be some challenge left. So they're like, okay, well
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: we have the safety regulation, so instead we're going to
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: make you walk two miles to go the bathroom and
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: then another two miles to find food, and then not
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: tell you how to navigate through things.
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this year the bivouac was a little more condensed
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: than like in Peru it was it was like a jungle.
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: I mean, it would get lost. This year they set
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: it up the same every day, so you knew exactly
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: where things were.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: That's clever.
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know why they did that.
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: I don't know why they hadn't done it before.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: I guess is a better.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: Question, what did you What did you think about that
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: now that since you've done the event in South America,
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: which the first time I went to the Dakar was
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: in South America, because it's different from when it was
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: in Africa. In South America, almost everyone has a car.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I thought, I'm going to go check out
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: the Dakar.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: So I get this Defender one ten and I drive
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: over from Santiago over the mountains and I'm trying to
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: get to the Decar. I could not even get close. Yeah,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Like there were so many people, so many locals. If
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: you were on a motorcycle, you'd be set, but in
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: a car, forget, we couldn't get close. So I turned
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: around and I went to Mendoza and drank wine for
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: two weeks.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: So it turned out just fun. Watched the car from
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: the helicopters.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: When it was in Peru in nineteen when we went,
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: there were like three hundred thousand people at the start.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: It was so packed that they were starting to have riots.
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: Justin and I at separate occasions, were almost we were
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: getting caught into riots, and like it was so packed,
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: people would hold their babies over their heads so they
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: wouldn't get crushed.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Wow, crowd.
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was completely I actually escaped all of that
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: sea of Max Eddie and Robbie Gordon. Robbie Gordon came
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: out of nowhere and everybody was like moving out of
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: the way to get a photo of.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: Him and he's like, you want to come with us?
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: Sounds like yeah, help get me out of here, and
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: everybody just it was like parting the Red Sea because
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: everybody was backing up to try and get a photo
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: of him, and that was like.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Being a soccer match and just trying to crush each other.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: There's nuts. And then going from that to Saudi Is
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: I mean it's crickets. Yeah, I mean, obviously COVID's going on,
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: but yeah, they were hard. There's hardly anybody there.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Am I the only one that thinks that sounds lovely?
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: I mean it was pretty nice to walk around.
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: Although we went to the Silk Away Rally in July of.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Last year, and that's in Mongolia Russia.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: It starts with Russia.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: It changes every year, so it always starts rush there.
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: It was Russia through Mongolia to China. It was last
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: year was supposed to be their tenth anniversary, so they
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: were going to do something like France to Moscow to
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: China to Mongolia, all this crazy route and maybe to
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: a couple of the stands this year.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: I'm not I'm really sure what the rat is, but.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't know yet.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: They haven't announced thereout so you guys have done Dakkar
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: in South America. You've done Dakkar and Saudi obviously this
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: year you've done silk Away, You've done when you were
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: the photographer for the Baja Rally for Bolting for quite
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: a while, for Sonora rally.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: Ye, I mean that's went to the Sardinia Rally.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: That was I remember that. I was so jealous.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: I was like, any any reason to go to Sardinia's reason?
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah the place it was the last time you and
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: I Yeah, actually yeah, the last time I was there
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: was with you.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so jealous for the GUCSI.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when we're there for that TT eighty five watch
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: while everybody else was doing whatever they were doing, we
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: grabbed like this three cylinder rental car and drove around.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: It was perfect.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's great, great. Yeah, I went and found
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: some ruins.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: That was awesome.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: That's why I like the small, more intimate races. I'm
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: not gonna lie.
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: They're way more fun than going to the deck our deck.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: I was just suffering. But if you want to experience
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: a rally like you go to the Sardinia Rally, you
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: go to Morocco, you do Reese, like go somewhere you
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: want to experience the culture, and yeah, take a vacation
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: and then go.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: That car seems hard, Like that car seems hard as
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: media as you guys were there, dak car seems hard
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: on the cruise. Yes, yeah, you know I remember watching
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: that the vlog series that Lyndon Poska did. Yeah, or
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: he was in that what was the name of the
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: class Malle moment and this dude's like, has just ridden
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: twelve or fourteen hours on a motorcycle at race pace
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: and now he's sleeping next three feet from a generator. Yeah,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, Nope, we're not cut out for this.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: No, Malamoto is definitely the that's that's like the champion car.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: That's that's real Dakar.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: That's what the original Dakar was kind of framed around,
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: is like what you can fit in this box. You're
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: completely unsupported, you take care of yourself. But then it
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: was in Africa, So in South America, I'm not going
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: to say it was easier, but race friends of ours
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: are like, it's.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Easier, yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, interesting, but.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: It's still like and back in Saudi it's it's another
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: new challenging terrain and it's still very, very hard.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: I'm amazed by the variety of terrain that Saudi Arabia offers.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess rather ignorantly, I've always thought Ksa
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: was desert sand with sand dunes.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: I thought it was Yeah, it's what you saw.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: I mean, the empty quarter of the southern half is yeah.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then and then we have a mutual friend,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Leuiah Shelley. I know he's probably listening to this. I'm
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: sorry if I what you're your name, But the stuff
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: he posts and the stuff that posts me, it's like, oh,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: look here's Moab, but it's twice the size and there's
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: no one there.
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, it's I mean, I've always heard
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: that the Middle East has some incredible untouched landscape, and
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: I've always been very curious. Yeah, and rightfully so, because
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: Saudi had some of the most incredible, diverse and just
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: surprising landscape that you never see.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: And as a as a as a woman traveling there,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: they've you know, I think it's worthwhile prefacing that I
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: personally feel Saudi has made, you know, huge huge steps
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: and rights for women and modernization and things. I mean,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: you have to take an the contest that they really
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: are making a lot of progress comparatively, there's probably things
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: that still aren't right by Western standards. It's a different culture.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: Well, we've talked about what we've heard, and I've talked
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: about this in numerous people like you have to remember
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: that this is a culture that's thousands of years old, yea,
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: and they've been doing stuff. Yeah, they've been closed on
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: many years like these, So any any step is a
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: big step for them. And the fact that they've crown princes,
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: he's got his project twenty thirty and he's trying to
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: open the country for tourism by twenty thirty and treat
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: it like another Dubai and other emirates, you know, effectively.
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: And for whatever the government's faults are, the people there
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: are still open to new ideas and interested and like
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: they were extremely curious about us why.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: We were there.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: They were very supportive, very giving, I mean, their culture,
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: they're known for being great housets, yes, and so it's
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: just it's something that if you don't go there and
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: if you listen to what people tell you, you won't
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: get the chance to experience how good those people are
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: and how cool the culture is, I mean, and you know,
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: as a woman. I'm sure we'll get into it. It's
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: just like I was stressing over what I'm supposed to wear,
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: what how I'm supposed to act, especially you know, by myself,
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: because he and I'll be separated.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: At first, I wore.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: The abaya and I covered my hair and don't thought
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: anything of it. And then slowly I just started to
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: see where my limits were and I never really I
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: was never bothered, so no one seemed to care.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: They'd still maybe it's because I was with a race.
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: Team that they were maybe forgiving because they put like,
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: for instance, their celebrities are in a different status, they
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: might show up and without their hair covered in more
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: scantly cloud comparatively. But for me, I never felt like
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: I was an outsider necessarily. People still talk to me,
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: they still ask questions. They never looked me up and
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: down as if I wasn't appropriate. I didn't feel that way.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we met some. We met some very interesting Like
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: I was in the middle of the desert first or
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: second stage, ran into a guy named Nassar. He's a
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: little bit younger than me, and he was wondering what
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: I was doing in the middle of the desert. And
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: I equally, so I'm like, how are you out here?
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: And he's he's like a computer, you know, he works
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: in it in Riod, and we were on the opposite
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: side of the country, and he had taken his two
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: week vacation from work to go chase the Dakar around
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: all of Saudi and he'd never he'd never seen most
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: of his own country, just you know, naturally, and and
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: so he.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: He loves cars, so he's like, this is perfect.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, cars. Yeah.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: Like he and I spent like two and a half
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: three hours in the desert together just hanging out and talking,
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: me trying to get a better understanding of what being
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: a thirty something is like in Riod and he, you know,
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: we start chatting on social media and stuff. Throughout the race.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: He's sending me photos. He ended up coming back to
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: Jetta at the finish and meet us. He met us
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: at our hotel and brought us like eggs of dates
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: and hung out.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: And oh wonderful. That's amazing.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: He's really into RC cars and yes, yeah, yeah, he's
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: a cool dude, like out of nowhere. And I mean
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: that's just the kind of stuff that.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, the whole GCC is car crazy, right, So
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I think as car and motorcycle people, there's just that
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: instant connection like every time I've been there, Like I
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: remember a man that's probably seven or eight years ago
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: and I spoke at the du Bui Travelers Festival. I
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: think you remember that. The people I met there were
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: just like just truthfully wonderful people. I think, like the
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Crown Prince lent us a bus from his camel Racing club.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: It's a real deal.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: If if it wasn't for COVID, I would have been
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: there for sure.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Front row, well, they had like those little arc car
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: guys and they like hit on their phones and like
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: you know, like the little the little RC man hits
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: the camel gently. Yeah, that's crazy.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Well, And for those that are listening, it's just so
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: important as travelers that we are very very careful about
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: information about a country that comes from from mainstream news,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: because that has they have an agenda of driving, traffic
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: and viewership and scary things sell right in that space.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: And then we need to.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Be even more careful about getting advice about travel from
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: someone who has not been there. So in fact, it
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: should be dismissed out of hand because all you're doing
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: is you're getting all of that scary news stuff now
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: filtered through their own cognitive biases, and then now they're
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: telling you all the reasons why you're going to die
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: because you go to Ensenada, which is of course completely false.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: So if we're looking to get information about traveling to
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: a place, get a hold of someone who's been there recently,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: and someone who's a traveler, not a business person that
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: just happens to go to the cities. Talk to somebody
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: who's a traveler that loves travel, that's been there recently,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: and you're going to get all the great info. You're
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: going to find out where the great restaurants are, the
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: taxi guy who like totally hooked him up for the
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: whole week and took him to see his family, And
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: those are the people you need to talk to. If
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: we drive our decisions off of what we see from media,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: will be greatly misled.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, that was our friend Austin Vince. There's a
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: statement he had made that you never listen to anyone
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: who hasn't done exactly what you're planning to do. Yeah,
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: unless they've done exactly what you're planning, you know, set
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: out to do.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: It's a lot of past like perpetuated misinformation. Sure, and
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: it's unfortunate because so many great places are overlooked for
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: people who maybe want to begin, you know, as a novice,
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: begin traveling, begin seeing the world, and they start to
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: trap themselves in these normal patterns of tourism because they
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: don't they're too scared to venture off, and they keep
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: listening to people who've only gone to sands.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, so Sonora, Mexico is a great example of that.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: Doubts untouched. And I hate to tell people to go
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: there because I wanted.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: To stay in touch, but it'll never go.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: It's it really is an incredible place. Yeah, equally equally
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: so toa Aha in its own way and very different,
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: very different than the rest of Mexico. And it is
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: a border you know, and it is a border state,
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: and you know that comes with its own issues.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: You just have to be careful. Yeah, you just have
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: to be mindful. Don't go looking for the target.
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, don't ask for drugs places, that's number one.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Don't buy drugs in Tijuana. Yeah, by them.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: I was telling about quit trying to buy weed when
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: you know you just don't like quit doing that.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I just got a little line already, just like they
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: have this great thing called Tequila. Yeah, exactly, exactly.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, that one little stretch of coast between
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Rocky Point where doing Pinasco and a golf at the
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Santa Clara Like no one know, well they do now
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: because we're just telling you a couple yea tens of
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: thousands of people, but that if you want to get
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: away from the traffic of Baja coastline, that is a
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: really neat spot and there's an easy road to get
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: back to either city. But you can also drive along
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: the coast and there's great camping.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: Gulf is a very it's scary.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Don't go there. Don't still my beautiful pristine beach spots.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Scar which is a really progressive and cool town.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another very cool, very cool.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: I mean they're the insign out of a Sonora.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: So they've got the good food, they've got the youth
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: that brings the art and brings the new cultures and
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: brings the new ideas.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm really excited for for where Mexico is going.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think the more you travel there, the
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: more you start to see smaller houses turning into bigger
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: houses shacks turning into developments. And maybe that wasn't the
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: right way to say that, but there's progression, I guess.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: And they're making a lot of stuff. Well, they can
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: make a lot of the way the United States was
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: in the you know, the twenties and thirties, we were
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: producing and Mexico's producing.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they are well.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: On the Internet allows this accessibility as an entrepreneur, as
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: an artist is putting yourself out there. And you know,
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: our generations and gen X, we really grasp technology and
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: made something out of it. And Mexico's no difference, and
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: you know the rest of the world as long as
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: they have the Internet, they can do something.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they can multiply themselves, extend their audience very quickly. Yeah,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I guess. Along that line, talk a little bit about
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: what it is that you guys do, like what's the
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: what is the rolodex of things that you guys do
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: to make money to stay on the road.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: I mean, anything that someone will pay us for usually
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: is a good start.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Let's just stop there. That is going out on the internet.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: I think on paper, we own a multimedia company and
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: we create content for the motorcycle industry. The motorsports, industry, travel, travel.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: We you know, we do photo editorial, we we shoult video.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: We I mean, we'll do your book lay out.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: We'll help you with your website, We'll give you consultation
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: on PR, social media marketing. I mean, anything that requires
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: imagination in a sense for branding, we try to help with.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: And I love your branding too, Like the West by
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: one thousand logo is just perfect. Photography is great, the
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: writing's great.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: It's our buddy Asher. He told you he was adamant
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: on the fact that it needed to say nothing like
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: a good A good logo shouldn't say anything like the
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: Nike swish. You know, yeah, for sure, you know exactly
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: what it is.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: And you guys have done big social media management campaigns
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: for recognizable brands like tour Tech comes to mind.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: What are some of the other clients that you guys
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: have worked with.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: That Country Discovery Routes, Wolfman, Luggage, Butler, Butler.
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: Maps, Yeah, black Dog Kirk black Dog.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's he's speak speaking about he's somebody.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Who's is he's living down there, He's down.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: There half the time.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: It's and we actually just started working with Camel Adventure,
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: which is they're a really cool company. They've really broadened
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: their horizons to since when we first met them and
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: they were still camel tanks and they've been really expanding
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: a lot on product that they make.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: And those tanks are great. Those are it's a great
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: way to add some range. Yeah, absolutely, very clever design,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: very cool design. Actually, I really like it.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: We've done a lot, a lot with in the motive
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: then in the adventure motorcycle space in terms of social
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: media management, marketing and that sort of thing. That's that's been.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: As welcoming to us.
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: So we just we like to go smaller, you know,
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: like a few small projects at a time or clients
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: at the time to at least, you know, don't put
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: all your eggs in one basket sort of thing. Yeah,
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: they don't ask too much of us, We don't ask
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: too much of them.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: We all stay pretty fluid.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: We've been doing a lot in the UTV space really
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: just it's i mean, it's it is.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: What it is exploding up and it's exploding our trails.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the different But I mean should be honest,
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: like i've you know, I came into it. They were
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: golf carts as far as I was concerned and powered
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: by vacuums and yeah, and they sounds so terrible.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: So they can just if they can just fix the sound.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: So it's all they got to.
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: Do is I'll just a stereo that plays V eight
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: noises while they're driving.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they just got to fix. All they got to
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: do is fix the sound.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: I was in the one that fixed it. I I
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: was just in the the Yamaha one thousand. I forget iteration,
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: alpha numeric designation, you know, y z X y ror
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: whatever I did. We're doing a story about it. A
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: friend took a took the new Yamaha one thousand. It's
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: basically an R one motor out of the motorcycle with
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: a big turbo.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Piqued my interest. Makes a hundred turbo.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: With a turbo makes makes between one hundred and sixty
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: five and two hundred and thirty five horse power, depending
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: on how much boost you running through it. His iteration
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: has you know, he's he's got a bunch of suspension
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: work and stuff done, but it sounds insane. It's it
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: has a sequential gearbox, so it's flappy paddles the car.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: Stuff it's he's got.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: And he put his skin on it that makes it
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: look like a baby wraptor.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's got five with like the Volkswagens, and they
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: put like little sequential gearbox. It's he's got twenty five
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: inches of travel with the rear twenty three at the front.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: We rallied that thing yesterday on Sunday. I guess. I
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: mean it's it's like a trophy truck. It's it literally
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: acts and feels like a trophy truck.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Nuts, and one's so bad.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's the only first. It's the first one
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: that I've been fully convinced to make. I need, I
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: need something interesting.
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: He had some some noises of it on his stories
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: on Instagram.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: And where can we find you on Insta?
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: Just my name justin w coffee.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: And that's not coffee, it's coffee with a Y C
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: F F E y. Thank you.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it was. That thing's amazing. And I mean
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: I've been in the I've been in all of them.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Now that the new can Am Turbo, the Polaris, you know,
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: big turbo stuff and is pretty wild.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: But I still think that it really is an issue
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: with the noise and if they don't I as an industry,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: they don't take the thirteen year old petulance out of it.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: They're going to lose the opportunity that's coming. Just make
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: them quiet, because like it's a big deal, Like people
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: don't want them around their homes.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Doesn't Moab just canceled rally in the Rocks because the
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: town quite literally said we don't want you in.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Fact, and I think they just need to make them quiet,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: like everything else needs to be quiet and is supposed
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: to be quiet because it's not just about you. There's
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: like other people trying to live around you. Stop being
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: so selfish and make your thing quiet. Yeah, make it quiet,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Make it quiet, take it.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: I'll take a contrary point of view in this. Make
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: them not sound terrible, less vacuusly, like like I don't
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: really like hearing Harley's go by because they sound like,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know, they sound like combustion potato. Yeah, but
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: there are good engines.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Make it sound good.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, make it sound good. Branger just was launched so earlier.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: You guys mentioned you lived in Japan. Tell me about that. Yeah,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: that's wild.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: Well we were lucky because again, it was one of
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: those opportunities that just came and was placed on our laps.
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: A friend of ours and his wife. She's in the
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: military or in the Air Force, and they moved to
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: Japan recently at the time, this was like late twenty fourteen. Yeah,
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: they had a nice big house on the Yakota Air
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: Force Base and said, hey, anytime you want come out,
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: hang out for how oliver, however long you want a
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: stake on their part because we were there for like
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: five six.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Months, I've made that mistake. Travelers come for Thanksgiving, Yeah,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: and then you kicked them out.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: And he was a friend of mine who he was
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: trying to be a filmmaker and he was met this
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: group of motorcyclists, expat motorcyclists that were exploring abandoned towns, villages.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: They're called haikios.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: Fascinating stuff, and most of that you can only get
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: to on a motor A lot of it you can
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: only get to on a motorcycle or it's much easier,
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: you know, either on foot or on sport of some kind.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: And so he wanted to film something about that and
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: wanted us to come along, and so we did create
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: some content for that and we ended up there a
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: lot longer. We got lucky the Security Force commander for
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: the Coda Airbase was his neighbor and good friends and
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: a good friend, and so normally you're, you know, after
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: thirty days, you got to take a hike, sure, but
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: he just would sign us in for another thirty days.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: And so he's retired now, so I don't think he
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: can get in.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Trouble for them. But I think that's a pretty a
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: pretty minor thing.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So yeah, we ended up there a lot longer
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: than we anticipated and did a lot of cool stuff.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: Traveled from there to the Philippines and when.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: We went to Sardinia, we were coming from Japan.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, came back to the States once.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: I believe at least once I went back to the
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: States for the tur Tech Rally actually, but yeah, I
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: mean we spent pretty much all of our time there riding,
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: riding motorcycles or surfing.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: It was we'd surf, like did actually do a lot of.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: Surf, like three days a week, and then whoa and
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: then ride these dual sports around.
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: We ended up, I mean, they have some really great ways,
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: especially because we like long boards. I'm still just a
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: paddle around and then I paddle after something and then
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: it misses me and then he serves, and it's just
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: like it's a bigger culture than we expected. And there's
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: this like huge Americana motorcycle culture that we didn't expect.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: Either, And Moon Eyes has a show there, like a
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: big Chopper show.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: It's a big oh yeah. Do you got to see
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: those like the rad like nineties or eighties scooters that
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: were like super crazy or maybe.
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: That was ghost ghost of Yeah, yeseed, I love Japan.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Japan actually scares me more than Saudi Arabia though, because
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: nothing is sized appropriately from me in sixth three. I
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: think he's going to cause you some kind of physical once.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: I once was at like a Oudon noodle restaurant and
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: I stood up and the chair went with me and
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: and and then the chair fell over. And I'm pretty
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: sure I offended someone's grandmother fourteen times because the restaurant
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: like it's completely hushed stopped. Yeah.
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: That is an interesting thing about their culture is that
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: I actually felt more aware of myself hand because they
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: have such strict cultural regulations for themselves, like which is
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: actually why we got away with so much, because they
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: think guid gins are dumb. We're just animals. So you know,
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: if they we would go exploring around the mountains. Let's
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: say there's like it's closed down. Mind they put a
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: sheet that says please don't go in here, and no
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: one from the country will go in there.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Except for expats. And they see it and they're like, oh,
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: I'll just lift the sheet and go through.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: In the US be gated, you know, there'd be electric
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: fence and danger you're gonna die and get sued and
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: all that. And they're literally just like a tarp like,
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: please don't go in here. And they're like, okay, yeah,
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: we won't go in there. And we're like, wait a minute.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: What's behind we got to go built into?
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: And they forgave us for like anything that we do
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: because they're just like, well, you guys don't know any better.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: It's okay.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: But they're wonderful people. I think it's it's one of
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: the few places I've traveled where people will actively come
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: up to you and ask if you need help, totally
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: just like I don't know how many times I've been
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: on like, you know, a subway in Kyoto or Oska
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: or something and I'm just like help, which, by.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: The way, is the most confusing thing to do.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: I've kind of figured out in Tokyo, but then I haven't, like,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know how it works. I don't.
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: I think Tokyo is hard because you have to catch
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: so many networks of trains.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, and they're happening like it's not like it's
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: the one train that's coming in fifteen minutes. It's the
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: one train that's coming in fifteen seconds. Yeah, you've got
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: to and you have to be right on top of it.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: And they are super helpful. And I remember the first
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: time I got on a train. I came on with
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: an elderly man. Three or four young people stood up
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: immediately to offer him.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: That's what you're supposed to do. I'm in my background,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: like like, I'm afraid she's gonna come out somewhere get
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: smack because if I don't get up. Yeah, yeah, and
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: you should.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: But it's beautiful that that is still part of their culture,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: that they have such respect for the elderly, and because
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: of that, the elderly live much longer, they have much
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: healthier lives for that longer period of time, they're much
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: more engaged with the family.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: They're revered there.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: You know, they're still intellectually challenged because their family comes
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: to them. With questions and engagement, and I think that
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: that's a really beautiful thing.
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: So family's Filipino, they have a similar value, maybe not
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: as strict as Japan's, but it's it's that like take
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: care of your own for as long as possible. Yeah,
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: come together, and it's just it's not necessarily that it's
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: an obligation. Yes, maybe on paper it's an obligation, but
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: it's like it's an honor to be able to get
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: to know those.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: People as long as possible.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: And they have so much wisdom. They've they've like made
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: all of those stupid mistakes. If like, if we would
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: talk to our elders a little more, we probably would
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: have less suffering in the world. If we just asked
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: them a couple of questions, they'd be like, oh, I
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: remember in nineteen sixty five, I did that thing and yeah,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: that was not such a good you know program. So yeah,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: I think that's really a beautiful part of Japan. And
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: how clean everything is, and I love that.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thatsthroom's my favorite.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, clean back bathrooms. And the food is actually super
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: super great. It's expensive, but yes, although you can eat it.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: Seven you know, survived off of seven eleven for the
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: most part.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: Truck stops fantastic.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Is that how you guys did that?
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Because I found that that Tokyo and Nagoya was like
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Oslo level prices.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Prices, Yeah, we were what was your tricks around that?
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: Seven eleven? Literally seven eleven has like insane.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: It's not like a seven eleven you'd see. Yeah, it's
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: anywhere else, you know, especially in the countryside. You've got
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: a lot of truck stops. You've got a lot of it's.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: Because their weekends are like, it's weekend, let's go out
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: to the country and freeways. So the truck stops in
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: seven eleven type places, they have high quality food, Like
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: I literally got octopus and soybean salad at seven eleven.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: We had they changed their kind of sushi mouths, things
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: In October it's it's like a squid month, so everything
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: is dyed black and yeh it's rice pucks.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, can live on rice pucks. I mean we were
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: we were.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Traveling on triangle things.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: So yeah, you told me about those things and I
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: went to a seven to eleven and I ate them
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: and they were bad even when I was drunk.
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: You may have gotten the wrong I mean, you have
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: to find the one with the right picture. He's allergic
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: to most fish, so he had to find the one
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: that said chicken or.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Like I had the one with tuna and it was
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: like eating cat food with bad rice mixed with seaweed.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: They have one that has baby eels in this in
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: the center, and that's that's a fun surprise when you're
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: not trying to buy the one with baby eels.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: And my experience in Japan has has been that the
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: food really wasn't that expensive. Maybe we were. I mean,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: like I've had very expensive meals there, Like if you
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: try and go for proper sushi, it is it was expensive,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: really really expensive. But you can you can have any
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: meal you want for seven dollars American roughly. I mean
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: if you're eating where you know, kind of maybe where
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: people do for lunch or whatnot.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: They got lucky because no, no, they like soft serrve.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: Oh god love soft serve.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: So what's that serve that's at in Arita Airport. That's
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: basically butter, you know what I'm talking about.
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Like even so there, vanilla is not vanilla.
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: It's like it's milk.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: That's the flavor. They call it. Wow, that's like really
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: rich and thick.
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: And that was like my main goal at any truck
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: stuff was to get ice cream as much as possible.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: I still look for it everywhere I go.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: But oh, that's amazing. So at the end, Now, how
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: long were you in Japan total, Well, it.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: Was over the course of nine months, and but we
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: were gone. We were in the Philippines I think for
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: like a month during that, okay, and then we were
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: in Italy for a few weeks in Sardinia, and then
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: I went back to the States for a few weeks.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: And didn't you guys have Dacatti's In the Philippines, we.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: Had Katie Duke three ninety I remember that, and this
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: weird two hundred c kawsaki that I've never seen before.
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: Front end was not so yeah, the head bowl was
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: wrote it anyway.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: And then where where in the Philippines were you guys
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: that particular.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: Time we were in? Oh? Were We ended up on
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: Plowing and then we were also in.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: I have family like in Luzon and Minda now and
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: a little bit of Sebu, so we just kind of
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: hung around them, and then we went to Plowan because
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: that's like that's like the locals vacation retreat. There's Rock Eye,
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: which is like the travelers retreat. Allowands, don't go there,
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: it's terrible.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: There you go, I think that's the local player.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: Alnito's on the north end of Palowan and that's kind
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: of touristy gringo stuff. But the rest of that that
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: island is pretty undeveloped. And this sounds amazing. Yeah, like
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: actually for us.
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: Like literally what could be defined as paradise is actually
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: out a boat ride outside.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Of El Nino.
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: And thankfully I don't remember the name, so I won't
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: tell anybody.
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  Speaker 1: and tough as tanks. It's well, describe what paradise was like,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: what about it made it paradise?
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, well, one, there's no way in, so it's
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: on a peninsula, but the peninsula is so thick with.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Jungle there's no roadways. Okay, so you have to boat.
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: And you know this the typical like semi shallow to
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: a shelf in the water. Everything's crystal blue, so you
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: can scuba. They have kayak rentals. The place that we
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: want is like a like five cottage resort run by
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: a family, so can't have a lot of people there.
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: So the beach is really secluded and it's built into
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: like a mangrove, so it's essentially like a giant tree
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: that kind of blocks this board walk in the trees
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: that you can walk.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Through, and it's not expensive all things considered.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: Family, the family feeds you every day.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Well we sure to not put that in the show
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: notes and selfishly go there ourself.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: They have a little like little shared bar shack that's
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: like right on the ocean. And the guy, the son
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: who runs the joint, basically he comes down there and
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: just like makes you run and cokes.
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you just turn email like what you want to
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: drink when you're there, And he's like, cool, I'll just
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: run in the store, you know, when you go and
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: do a trip downno grab groceries.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: And come back.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Amazing. And how long did you guys stay there?
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Think like a week? Yeah?
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, that was great. That sounds so with.
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: Her mom and her sister and her nephew and we
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: just it was basically us and then like an English
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: couple and we just hung out.
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then they switched out for another couple that
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: didn't really care heavy around us too, so it worked
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: out right.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: That sounds so perfect. That sounds so perfect.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we were just in the Philippines. That was this.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: We found that place the last time we were in
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: the Philippines. But had we known, we'd always go.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Where where else?
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: In your travels, have you had that same sense of
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: it being paradise? Is there anything else that comes to mind?
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: There's a there's a little hotel right in the center
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: center of the Baja Peninsula that has a has a
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: little like a little bar in the middle of it,
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: and the bar has like a really really terrible.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Old pool table.
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: How will it Yeah, it's it's in Katavinia and it's
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: it's an oasis. I mean you come in there and
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: it's like it looks like something out of like it's
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: really it's incredible.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: And that area actually kind of looks like presk with
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: all the.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: And that kind of stuff or like like like east
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: of San Diego, like alcohol in that area where they're
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: just all that stuff and you there's nothing there. There's
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: not even a gas I think they've been.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Is that new Pemex station finished?
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: Allegedly it was the last time we were, last time
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: I was working.
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so that prior to that it was. It made
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: it even better that there was no gas station. It
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: was just an old lady with gas cans. And but
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: that that bar. We we always talk about that bar
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: being like the like the Cantina and most Sizely and
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: Star Wars, like, yeah, the only people there are travelers.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: No one lives, I mean, no one lives in the town,
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: even even even Danny who runs the bar there, he
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: lives forty five minutes away. Yeah, and so there's hardly
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: any when that lives there, and it's all travelers. And
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: any given day that you're there, you'll meet like you
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: never know what you're.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Gonna run into, you know what kind of place it
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: is by the stickers that are around. Yeah, and you
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: and you like you end up blotto off of Giant
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Margerita shooting pool with truck drivers and it's just a
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: it has a very different sort of appeal than like
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: like a pristine beach, but it sounds perfect.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: People like that stuff.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's like when you're when you're on
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: a dirt bike trip and you just want to go
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: like sit by the and.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: I love like the courtyards on that hotel where the
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: room's kind of facing. It's very I love.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Have you guys done the mission Santa Maria just out
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: of Katavina? You did that on dirt bikes.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: We actually the last.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: Time we were there was just this December and we
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: went with our friend Jeffy. We had done like a
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: little off road trip from it, so nodded down and
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: always to close off the date in sankantine Is we
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: just go do a sunset ride on the beach and
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: just like go fifteen miles one way, fifteen miles the
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: other way and then just like laugh and smile the
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: whole time taking Instagram videos.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just buy like beach trips and baha, on
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: our dual sports. We were the tide. The tide had
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: just run out, so that the beaches like like look
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: like glass like glass was super good. That can't go
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: wrong with that.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: That's pretty good stuff too.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Any other spots that come across your mind is those
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: moments of paradise.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: It depends on your definition of paradise.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm interested in yours because so far it's pretty amazing.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so far, I'm good with it.
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: Like i'd say, if if you're more of a like
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: a city dweller, Verona is one of my favorite places
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: to go.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: Like I base it off of where would we live,
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: you know, where would.
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: We be willing to stay for a long period of time,
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: even if they're not really conducive to that. But Verona
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: is a it's an ancient town. It was where the
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: what do you call that, the.
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: Colisseum, and Verona is the is the Colisseum. It was
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: built before the Coliseum in Rome.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: And it was the inspiration for the one.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: So it looks it's like just a smaller version.
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and they just the old town is night closed
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: off by a river and it's really beautiful. The town's
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: very livable, it's very quiet, but it has a lot
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: of history and of course Italian things, food culture.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: I heard the food. They have bad wine. The cars
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: are really ugly.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: Never go super expense.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: It's also twenty minutes from the dopest go kart track
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: on Earth. It's an indoor outdoor, two level gas powered
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: go kart track.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: And it has a one it's a two minute lap too.
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: It's got like yes, and it has like a Mario
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: Kart style.
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: Like spiral coming down from the top level and you
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: just sideways the whole way down the face.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: Amazing.
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: Actually, there's a few Italian it's a Formula one racers
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: who go in and they.
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: Just like yeah, there's a bar that like faces the track,
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: so when you're done you can just knock out some
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: cold beers where.
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: If you're Italian, when you're not done.
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: Our friend Manny Lukesey took us there and a three
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: years ago for the first time, and every time we're
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: in Verona to hang out with him, we have to
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: go there. And yeah, no one can beat him.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: He's the fastest.
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: He's the slowest man on the road and he's run
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: dak car a few times too. Mallemoto, yeah, yeah, and
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: his goal was to just like crush Mallemoto all the
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: time and then become a water boy for one of
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: the teams. Yeah, and he's extremely talented and like a
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: very interesting person. I mean he's the only person you
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: should ever interviews interesting.
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: He is also the slowest person on the road, Like
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: he drives a last time we saw me at a
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: big Man and he's you know, ten ten miles below
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: the speed limit at any given time, and he's like,
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: I don't want tickets, you know. Then you get him
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: in a go kart track on a dirt bike and
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: he's like nuts like any other opportunity.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's the fastest guy in.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Most of the Wow, that's very cool. Run is a
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: good run, is a good tab.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: There's plenty of places.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: That's the problem is it's a big world.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: When we were talking earlier about like what did you
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: learn about your travels? You know now is a consistent
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: travelers that one. There are too many wonderful places, So
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: you just got to like figure out what it is
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: you need and find the place that suits that, because
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: every place is fantastic.
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but we've also learned that toilets are amazing, incredible invention.
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: When you spend you spend a bunch of time in
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: a country that doesn't have them.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Squad toilets or just has squad toilets, has an amazing
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: I thought squad toilets were the worst until I went
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: to Northern China and Mongolia, and then apparently cement hole
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: in the ground is worse. Yeah in there, Yeah, I know,
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: I'd just rather go outid.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: I really appreciate a flushing toilet something.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: It's hard to end on.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: That bomb show. Well, what do you guys have coming
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: up next? Now that things are starting to open up?
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: What are your big plans for the next year or so?
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Are you doing that the new build? Yeah, bike, we.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: Got a Royal Endfield I int six fifty. We're gonna
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: buld a scrambler at that same fun.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that one's coming along.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: It was probably the bike that we had because they
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: were going to take it down to Phoenix to give
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: it somebody.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it might be.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, I mean it's only is it every
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: once in a while not start. It's like every once
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: in a while the starter button doesn't work.
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: It and sometimes the gas gauge is like you're full
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: and then it's like maybe not.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, hey, for the price tag, it's such a
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: great it's such a great bike.
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we have the Sonora Rally in May that they
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: moved the dates. It would have been in April and
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: outs in May. It would have been March, sorry, and
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: they moved that to May.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: We're going to Baja in a week.
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: We'll be there for until we don't feel like being there,
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: and then we're like trying to develop some top secret
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: routes which probably everyone knows about. With our friend who
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: has tour company out there and trying to do some
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: ADB stuff, nice, do some whatever. He's going to walk
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: across Baja, so he asked if we wanted to do that.
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: So we'll see since May, and then end of June
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: we go to Russia for the so there there. What
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: I do know is that they're starting in southern Russia,
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: actually well south east southwestern Russia this year.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Last year, which side of the Urals are they going
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: to start?
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: I can't remember the name of the town. Last year,
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: we were in Iracusk, southern Siberia, and we went from
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: Iracusk just straight down like we went around like by call,
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: and then we came down when by calls great, that's amazing, fantastic.
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: It Actually Silkway does a really good job about like
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: showing their media the culture and good time. Because we
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: got all a big taste of that. I guess after that,
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: we're still not like one confirmed. But there's an event
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: called Mongolia Monkey Run. It's one of many things that
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: are put on by the Adventurous.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and so that's a pretty fun group.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, super fun.
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they want us to come and ride these fifty
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: cc monkeys.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: I saw it, I saw the advertisement. That is that
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: is the last thing that I would like to do.
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: I would kill to see you on monkey Like I.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Don't know if my arms would go down far enough
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: to like even touch the handle.
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: You would just walk with it like just throttle and
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: then it moves and you moved.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: The problem is that my spine would be this spencer.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's the deal. Yeah.
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: Well, and then when it floods in Mongolia, pretty much
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: your bike disappears.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: Can I just put it on a small backpack?
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: I mean I know some people did one of their
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: monkey bike adventures and it was in Morocco and they
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: said it was lovely.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: Yes, I want to go.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: I would not think it was lovely.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, maybe not you.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: You know, I think it's it's the fact that they
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: do something so ridiculous that it gives you permission to
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: do something so ridiculous.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, and that that part of it. I
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: understand part of it. I like, I just want to
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: do the ridiculous thing on a bigger bike. Yeah.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: I think it was like, I don't know if it
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: was Hong Kong or part of China, they had like
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: a race on rickshaws.
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: I was like, that sounds dope, except sucks for the
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: guy who's pulling you in a rickshaw.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: The rickshaw run they did. Yeah, it was in India.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's right.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: See I would do that, yeah, because at least then
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: I'm sitting down again spine and.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: Someone else is doing all the running part.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: Well they have little motors. Oh yeah, it's.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: It's kind of like the yeah, the track, the.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Kind of bolt.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like a cabin on the back of a one
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: to twenty five motorcycle.
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, old traditional carried by Oh yeah that would
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: be cool powered, that would be cool for about a
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: hundred meets.
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no one would enjoy No, I think the
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: monkey thing is in August and then we.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Mongolia is great. It's it's that that Northern Route
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: was one of the most memorable special routes that I've
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: ever done, coming in from Russia in the northwestern part
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: of Mongolia and then running across the whole northern Northern Steeps.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's unbelievable, amazing.
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: I mean like talking about going from Saudi Arabia where
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: things seem really untouched. They're also a nomadic country, so
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: it's like if you go to Mongolia, the landscape you
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: see is virgin territory. You know, nobody is built on it,
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: and it looks like what it did thousands and thousands
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: of years ago.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: So and when the when they move with their livestock,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: they pick up their gir and within a few months
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: it's all green grass under the ger Again. They've not
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: like laid concrete or dug some giant hole. It literally
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: just goes away. Yeah, like really mautful. Yeah, it's beautiful.
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: Actually, ten years ago, if you'd have told me that
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: I've been to Mongolia three times, I never would have Wow.
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: You know, it's like I never would have thought that
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: would happen in my life. I didn't, not that I
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: didn't want to go, I just didn't know. It's you know,
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: those those sorts of things just when they.
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: Well, there's so many countries in the world to see, Yeah,
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: especially when you don't know anyone who's been to some
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: of these. It's kind of like the conversation earlier, how
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: do you know what to expect or to want to
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: go to?
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: If I was to ask you guys, and maybe you
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: can both answer in your own way, but for those
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: that are listening, that are they're hearing your story and
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: your life genuinely sounds fantastical, not only to me, and
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: it's because you, guys, have made decisions to live your
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: life a different way. What kind of advice would you
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: give to someone who maybe wanted to start from the
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: place that you did at point A? What kind of
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: advice would you give them to get started, just to
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: give them some encouragement whatever that might be.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm so, I'm a bit of a fatalist.
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: So I usually you know, like, you're not going to
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: live as long as you think you are. Yeah, you're
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: probably gonna live a lot, You're probably gonna die out
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: sooner than you think. And you should get to it,
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: because it's just there's too many opportunities for bad things
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: to happen being stagnant and sitting around and doing nothing.
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: I just my father's nightmare is to die on the toilet.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, he kind.
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: Of imparted that on me, and I just you know,
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: it's like you got to just go go do it,
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: say yes, try to you know, get after it and
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: be willing to give up a lot.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was part of it.
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: Is like if you just if you wait until you
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: have all the gear and the right things to be
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: able to go, you'll never go. So just get the
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: thing you can afford, pick a place, and go for it,
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: because it's not going to be the last place you go,
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: especially once you decide to do that. So pick one
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: place that's approachable, something that you can afford, go to it,
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: and then build your way up to the next place.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: I think having like having your sight set on stuff
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: really helps motivate. You know, if you just buy the
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: plane ticket, don't don't worry about the hotel or how
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: you're going to get there, what you're going to do
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: when you're there. Just buy a plane ticket, get that moving,
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: and then.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: Marry Rich or just prepare to be poor.
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: We know, you know, we have a lot of rich
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: with experiences, but we definitely are money when we're traveling
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: a lot.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: It just we dedicate what money does into.
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: There and we expect to spend it and we don't
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: cry if we spend it or overspend because.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: It's it's you.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: And I think that you guys have done a really
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: good job. You haven't emphasized the vehicle too much, like
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: you're not haven't even talked about it. Really yeah, I
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: mean like you guys are about to travel, and I
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: think you know, I know, like a while ago, for me,
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: I just I just went, like, okay, go to Vietnam
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: and rent a scooter, Like you don't. You don't have
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: to like save up to buy the gs, to buy
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: the two thousand dollars jacket, to buy the panniers and
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: this and this and this. I think what's inspirational to
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: me about you guys just went and you just did it,
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: and you you found adventures that you could do at
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: the time with what you had, with what fit into
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: your schedule, and you, like you said, you just didn't
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: say no. And I think some I think overlan travelers, man,
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: how do you say it like they get a little
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: bit too tied up with the vehicle sometimes, and maybe that's.
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: Because it's part of the passion.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is exciting, yes, yeah, but not everybody,
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: not everybody. But it's expensive, I guess, is what I'm
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: trying to get out right. It's expensive to get tied
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: up with the vehicle. And you know, if you just
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: think more as a traveler and less as an enthusiast
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: of particular motorcycle.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: We know a lot of folks who you know, they're
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: building out vans and four by four And my father
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: is a great example. You know, he's he's got this
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: bitch and four wheel drive quickly van on thirty fives.
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: But he's always he's always wanting to do more to
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: it instead of just used something. Go like the van's fine,
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: it's got a bed built into the back, it's got
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: a fresh motor, like off you go.
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like inside our van.
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: It's funny because we you know, for a little while,
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: we were known for this like fan life sort of
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: thing because before it.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Was cool and then we came to my mainstream for
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: west By one.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: Time, and then I wrote I wrote a piece for
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: for expedition portal about the realities of it, like once
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: you quit, once you quit moving, you're just home.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: Well, and the thing is so ours if you open
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: ours up, it's like it was never visually stimulating for
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: people who like gear and building things up because it's
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: literally just got like it's a cargo van.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a car van. It looks like potato.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, we didn't get foam for the the plywood
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: bed platform thing that we have for like four years.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: We just slept on deflating mattresses for a while.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: And you guys have been to Paradise because of that,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: and that's the difference is that you guys have made
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: a decision for those experiences to be a priority. It's
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: interesting thinking about what you said justin around life being short.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: I think also one thing that I've recognized is that
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: the world is nowhere near as dangerous as we're programmed
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: to think that it is. I mean, to thousand years ago,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: the world was extremely dangerous, and we still have that
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: genetic makeup where we're constantly pessimistic about our prospects of
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: surviving to tomorrow. The reality is that the world now
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: is very safe, and you have to work really hard
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: to actually make it unsafe. You got to look for
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: you have to really go looking for the trouble. So
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: if we can just for a moment recalibrate our mind
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: to realize that to your point here, like if it
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: doesn't work out, you just pivot a little bit, you
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: change your plan, Maybe you go someplace else, maybe you
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: come back and work for a while to make some
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: more money. The consequences of starvation really aren't a thing anymore. Yeah,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: you'll eat, or you'll be able to find medical care.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: Something will will work out because the world is a
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: lot safer place now. And that's really interesting that you
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: say that, and it's been certainly on my mind too.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: So we can't thank you too enough for being on
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: the podcast and sharing your experiences.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: You have any more questions for them? Matt, When are
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: we going to go drink beer? I think you're already
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: You're not already drinking I'm drinking fuzzy water. Drink fizz water.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: Although I think the last time I saw you, we
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: were very drunk at Dirty Dicks in Paris, drinking tiki.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know if this story is appropriate
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: for it, but we went back there and Justin had
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: a wild time.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: Well, I just remember walking in and you like handed
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: me this drink that was on fire. It was on fire.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 5: It's like, okay, for those who don't know what we're
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: talking about, dirty dis is like this epic if youre
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: in the wall.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: Tiki bar and.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: It's across the street from like a divy, scary Russian
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: dance bar where Justin accidentally almost maybe got drugged and
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: then turned into a Russian prostitute.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: I remember that.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: I remember that I was. I was still inebriated at
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: four pm the following day.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: You have me seeing him to sleep. That is not
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: a thing we do.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: I was.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: It was not good. I had my stepfather rescue me.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: And then they still were like should stuff for beer?
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Then we grabbed beers on the way.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: And then when was that little cafe that we went
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: to that was owned by your friends?
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: They closed, They closed that place. It was right by
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: Garden Nord, right by.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: The Yeah, exactly. That was perfect. I wish that there was.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: It was a sustainable thing because it was just stop
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: the walking traffic.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: That's a great place.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: That's a great story. And another segue into paradise found
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: in remote places in Russian bars in downtown Paris.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: Don't just say now, don't do it.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you all for listening and we will talk
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: to you next time.