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How a Children's Book Comes to Life ( Kid Clown and the Butterfly Adventures Story) · Adventures in the Heart of Children's Book Authors Podcast

4:47
Hi,
4:47
my
4:48
name
4:48
is
4:48
Debbie
4:49
Kumenti.
4:49
I'm
4:49
the
4:50
author
4:50
of
4:50
Kid
4:51
Clown
4:51
and
4:51
the
4:52
Butterfly
4:52
Adventures.
4:54
Hi,
4:54
I'm
4:55
Cassidy
4:55
Lee.
4:55
I'm
4:56
the
4:56
illustrator
4:56
of
4:56
the
4:57
book.
4:58
Thank
4:58
you
4:58
very
4:58
much,
4:59
Debbie
4:59
and
4:59
Cassidy,
5:00
for
5:00
appearing
5:00
on
5:01
the
5:01
Adventures
5:02
in
5:02
the
5:02
Heart
5:02
of
5:02
Children's
5:03
Book
5:03
Authors
5:03
Podcast.
5:05
It's
5:05
cool
5:06
for
5:07
those
5:07
listening
5:07
is
5:08
Debbie
5:08
is
5:09
the
5:09
author
5:09
and
5:09
Cassidy
5:10
is
5:10
the
5:10
illustrator.
5:11
And
5:11
they
5:12
brought
5:12
this
5:13
children's
5:13
book
5:14
to
5:14
life
5:15
called
5:15
Kid
5:16
Clown
5:16
and
5:17
the
5:17
Butterfly
5:17
Adventures.
5:18
It's
5:19
awesome
5:19
because
5:19
we're
5:20
going
5:20
to
5:20
spend
5:20
time
5:21
discussing
5:22
Debbie
5:22
and
5:22
Cassidy's
5:23
new
5:24
book
5:24
series
5:24
because
5:25
it
5:25
sounds
5:25
like
5:25
they
5:26
have
5:26
more
5:27
adventures
5:28
in
5:28
store
5:28
for
5:29
us
5:29
and
5:29
we'll
5:29
talk
5:29
a
5:30
bit
5:30
about
5:30
that.
5:31
Also,
5:31
they
5:32
just
5:32
launched
5:32
their
5:33
new
5:33
book
5:33
on
5:33
August
5:34
5th
5:34
of
5:34
2025,
5:35
just
5:36
fresh
5:36
off
5:36
the
5:37
off
5:38
the
5:38
cross.
5:38
So
5:39
I
5:39
really
5:39
look
5:40
forward
5:40
to
5:40
having
5:40
this
5:41
conversation
5:41
with
5:42
Debbie
5:42
and
5:42
Cassidy.
5:43
And
5:44
of
5:44
course,
5:44
as
5:45
I
5:45
mentioned
5:45
to
5:46
you
5:46
earlier,
5:46
Debbie,
5:47
August
5:48
is
5:48
a
5:48
special
5:48
month
5:49
for
5:49
us
5:49
too,
5:49
because,
5:50
Cassie,
5:51
I
5:51
was
5:51
saying
5:51
to
5:52
Debbie,
5:52
we
5:52
just
5:53
launched
5:53
our
5:53
second
5:53
book
5:54
in
5:54
our
5:54
book
5:54
series
5:55
called
5:55
Hijinks
5:56
from
5:56
the
5:56
Big
5:56
Head
5:57
Folk
5:57
Music
5:58
Festival,
5:59
which
6:00
I
6:00
co
6:00
wrote
6:01
with
6:01
my
6:02
middle
6:02
granddaughter
6:03
and
6:03
my
6:03
oldest
6:03
granddaughter.
6:05
So
6:05
that's
6:05
always
6:06
a
6:06
fun
6:06
thing
6:06
to
6:07
do.
6:07
Before
6:07
we
6:08
jump
6:08
into
6:08
the
6:09
details
6:09
of
6:09
Kid
6:10
Clown
6:10
and
6:10
the
6:10
Butterfly
6:11
Adventures,
6:13
I
6:14
want
6:14
to
6:14
explain
6:14
to
6:14
everybody
6:15
that
6:15
what
6:15
we're
6:16
doing
6:16
today
6:16
is
6:16
actually
6:17
we're
6:17
across
6:17
three
6:18
different
6:18
time
6:18
zones
6:19
and
6:19
that's
6:20
a
6:20
first
6:20
for
6:20
me.
6:21
So
6:21
we're
6:21
actually
6:22
on
6:22
the
6:22
Pacific
6:23
Standard
6:24
Time,
6:24
Mountain
6:25
Standard
6:25
Time
6:26
and
6:26
Central
6:26
Time.
6:27
So
6:27
that's
6:28
three
6:28
time
6:28
zones
6:29
in
6:29
one.
6:30
I'm
6:30
not
6:30
sure
6:31
if
6:31
you
6:31
get
6:31
a
6:31
price
6:32
for
6:32
that,
6:32
but
6:32
here
6:33
we
6:33
are.
6:34
I
6:34
want
6:34
to
6:34
give
6:34
the
6:34
audience
6:35
a
6:35
little
6:35
background
6:36
into
6:38
your
6:38
relationship
6:39
and
6:40
how
6:40
you
6:41
both
6:41
have
6:41
come
6:41
on
6:42
together
6:42
to
6:43
promote
6:43
the
6:43
book.
6:44
Who
6:44
wants
6:44
to
6:44
start
6:44
first?
6:46
Debbie?
6:46
I'll
6:47
start
6:47
and
6:47
then
6:47
I'll
6:47
let
6:48
Cassidy
6:48
take
6:49
over.
6:49
Okay,
6:50
sounds
6:50
good.
6:51
I
6:51
am
6:51
a
6:51
mother
6:52
of
6:52
four
6:52
boys
6:53
that
6:53
are
6:54
all
6:54
grown
6:54
up
6:55
now.
6:56
Our
6:56
youngest
6:57
is
6:57
dating
6:58
Cassidy,
6:59
our
6:59
illustrator.
7:01
So
7:01
over
7:02
the
7:02
last
7:02
three
7:02
years,
7:04
learning
7:04
a
7:04
lot
7:04
about
7:04
Cass.
7:05
I
7:05
like
7:05
to
7:06
say
7:06
it's
7:06
like
7:06
an
7:07
onion,
7:07
you
7:07
just
7:07
keep
7:07
peeling
7:08
it
7:08
back.
7:09
And
7:09
last
7:09
year
7:10
we
7:10
had
7:11
introduced
7:12
two
7:13
Cass's
7:13
work,
7:14
some
7:14
of
7:14
her
7:14
artwork,
7:15
some
7:15
of
7:15
her
7:15
personal
7:16
illustrations,
7:17
which
7:17
just
7:18
like
7:19
truly
7:19
wowed
7:20
the
7:20
whole
7:20
family.
7:22
And
7:23
so
7:23
in
7:23
that
7:24
moment,
7:24
it's
7:24
almost
7:24
like
7:25
I
7:25
had
7:25
this
7:25
revelation.
7:26
This
7:26
book
7:26
has
7:26
been
7:27
in
7:27
the
7:28
production
7:28
stage
7:29
for
7:29
over
7:29
30
7:30
years.
7:30
I
7:30
started
7:31
it
7:31
as
7:31
just
7:31
a
7:32
fun
7:32
story
7:33
and
7:33
went
7:34
through
7:34
two
7:34
other
7:34
illustrators,
7:35
which
7:35
I
7:35
will
7:36
always
7:36
say
7:36
they
7:36
did
7:36
a
7:37
great
7:37
job.
7:38
But
7:38
when
7:38
I
7:39
started
7:39
talking
7:39
to
7:39
Cass
7:40
and
7:40
just
7:40
had
7:40
this
7:40
interest
7:41
in
7:41
maybe
7:41
bringing
7:42
her
7:42
in,
7:42
I
7:43
Wasn't
7:43
sure
7:43
what
7:44
she
7:44
would
7:44
say,
7:45
but
7:45
her
7:46
artwork
7:46
has
7:47
truly
7:48
elevated
7:48
the
7:48
story.
7:49
Story
7:49
is
7:49
good.
7:50
We've
7:50
changed
7:50
it
7:50
some,
7:51
but
7:51
now
7:51
it
7:51
just
7:51
seems
7:52
to
7:52
captivate.
7:52
And
7:53
that
7:53
being
7:53
said,
7:54
Cass
7:54
was
7:54
still
7:55
living
7:55
on
7:55
the
7:55
west
7:55
coast,
7:56
moved
7:56
across
7:56
to
7:57
Nashville.
7:58
And
7:59
that
7:59
to
7:59
your
8:00
point,
8:00
that's
8:01
been
8:01
probably
8:01
the
8:01
funnest
8:02
maybe
8:02
or
8:02
maybe
8:03
not.
8:03
Challenge
8:04
is
8:04
having
8:04
to
8:05
connect
8:06
while
8:06
we
8:07
do
8:07
this
8:07
work
8:08
and
8:08
cast
8:08
has
8:08
been
8:09
a
8:09
joy
8:09
to
8:09
work
8:09
with.
8:10
And
8:10
to
8:11
be
8:11
honest,
8:11
one
8:11
of
8:12
the
8:14
really
8:14
heartfelt
8:15
dreams
8:15
I
8:16
had
8:16
in
8:16
this
8:16
season
8:16
of
8:17
this
8:17
book
8:17
around
8:18
again
8:18
was
8:19
to
8:19
really
8:20
exploit
8:21
Cass.
8:22
She's
8:22
a
8:22
lot
8:22
younger,
8:23
so
8:23
like
8:23
the
8:24
kid
8:24
meeting
8:24
different
8:25
people,
8:25
these
8:25
were
8:26
in
8:26
different
8:26
seasons
8:26
of
8:27
life,
8:27
but
8:27
we've
8:28
worked
8:28
very
8:28
well
8:28
together.
8:29
My
8:29
dream,
8:30
on
8:30
top
8:30
of
8:30
just
8:30
getting
8:31
it
8:31
done
8:31
and
8:31
doing
8:31
it,
8:32
was
8:32
to
8:32
hope
8:32
that
8:32
Cass
8:33
would
8:33
launch
8:34
in
8:34
her
8:34
own
8:34
career.
8:35
And
8:35
I
8:36
am
8:36
here
8:36
to
8:36
say
8:37
she's
8:37
almost
8:37
getting
8:38
so
8:38
busy
8:38
from
8:39
all
8:39
the
8:39
outreach
8:40
that
8:40
I
8:40
have
8:40
two
8:40
more
8:41
stories
8:41
in
8:41
line
8:41
and
8:41
I'm
8:42
making
8:42
her
8:42
research
8:42
and
8:43
space
8:43
for
8:43
me.
8:45
Fantastic.
8:46
Cassie,
8:47
tell
8:47
us
8:47
your
8:47
story
8:48
from
8:48
your
8:48
perspective
8:49
about
8:49
this
8:50
whole
8:50
relationship
8:51
and
8:51
how
8:51
it's
8:51
developed
8:52
into
8:52
published
8:53
children's
8:53
book.
8:55
1.
8:55
When
8:55
I
8:56
started
8:56
dating
8:56
her
8:56
son,
8:57
I
8:57
didn't
8:57
know
8:57
that
8:57
Debbie
8:58
was
8:59
an
8:59
author.
8:59
I
8:59
heard
8:59
a
9:00
lot
9:00
of
9:00
stories
9:00
about
9:00
how
9:01
she
9:01
was
9:01
multiple
9:02
different
9:02
things.
9:02
And
9:03
so
9:03
when
9:03
I
9:03
heard
9:04
author,
9:04
I
9:05
was
9:05
like,
9:05
okay.
9:05
And
9:06
then
9:06
I
9:06
read
9:06
her
9:06
book
9:06
and
9:07
I
9:07
was
9:07
like,
9:07
this
9:07
is
9:07
fantastic.
9:08
And
9:08
then
9:09
she
9:09
asked
9:09
me
9:09
to
9:10
illustrate
9:10
it,
9:10
and
9:10
it's
9:10
always
9:11
been
9:11
a
9:11
dream
9:11
of
9:11
mine
9:12
since
9:12
I
9:12
was
9:12
a
9:12
kid
9:12
to
9:13
illustrate
9:13
a
9:13
children's
9:13
book
9:14
one
9:14
day.
9:14
And
9:14
I
9:14
just
9:15
gave
9:15
up
9:15
on
9:15
that.
9:16
I
9:16
was
9:16
like,
9:16
that's
9:16
never
9:16
gonna
9:17
happen.
9:17
Gonna
9:17
get
9:18
a
9:18
big
9:18
girl
9:18
career
9:19
and
9:20
not
9:20
do
9:20
that.
9:21
And
9:21
then
9:21
she
9:21
asked
9:21
me
9:22
and
9:22
I
9:22
was
9:22
just
9:22
like,
9:23
this
9:23
is
9:23
amazing.
9:24
This
9:24
is
9:24
what
9:24
I
9:24
wanna
9:25
do
9:25
for
9:25
the
9:25
rest
9:25
of
9:25
my
9:25
life.
9:26
I
9:26
hope
9:26
this
9:26
can
9:27
take
9:27
me
9:27
somewhere.
9:27
And
9:28
I
9:28
mean,
9:28
her
9:28
book
9:29
is
9:29
beautiful,
9:29
as
9:30
I'm
9:30
sure
9:30
you've
9:31
seen
9:31
it
9:31
in
9:31
a
9:31
bunch
9:31
of
9:32
NB1
9:32
I've
9:33
given
9:33
it
9:33
to
9:33
or
9:33
showed
9:33
it
9:34
to.
9:35
They
9:35
absolutely.
9:35
They
9:35
think
9:36
it's
9:36
so
9:36
cute
9:36
and
9:37
they
9:37
love
9:37
it.
9:37
The
9:38
words
9:38
and
9:38
the
9:38
pictures.
9:39
The
9:39
pictures
9:39
wouldn't
9:39
be
9:40
anything
9:40
without
9:40
the
9:40
words.
9:41
I've
9:41
absolutely
9:41
loved
9:42
getting
9:42
to
9:42
work
9:42
with
9:42
Debbie
9:43
and
9:43
I'm
9:43
really
9:43
looking
9:44
forward
9:44
to
9:44
writing
9:45
our
9:45
other
9:45
two
9:45
books
9:46
or
9:46
illustrating
9:47
her
9:47
other
9:47
two
9:47
books.
9:48
Fantastic.
9:48
So
9:49
I'm
9:49
curious,
9:50
Debbie,
9:50
but
9:50
again,
9:51
with
9:51
everyone
9:52
listening,
9:52
is
9:53
that
9:54
feel
9:54
free,
9:55
Cassidy,
9:55
at
9:55
any
9:56
time
9:56
to
9:56
add.
9:57
And
9:57
I
9:57
definitely
9:58
will
9:58
direct
9:59
questions
9:59
at
9:59
you,
10:00
but
10:00
feel
10:01
free,
10:01
at
10:02
some
10:02
point
10:02
you
10:02
say,
10:02
oh,
10:03
I
10:03
can
10:03
add
10:03
to
10:03
that.
10:04
So
10:04
if
10:04
you
10:04
want
10:04
to
10:04
add
10:05
to
10:05
what
10:05
Debbie's
10:06
saying,
10:06
please
10:06
do.
10:07
Debbie.
10:08
What
10:08
I'm
10:09
trying
10:09
to
10:09
always
10:09
understand
10:10
and
10:10
have
10:10
my
10:11
audience
10:11
understand
10:12
is
10:12
what
10:12
does
10:13
children's.
10:14
Because
10:14
you
10:14
talked
10:15
about
10:15
a
10:15
30
10:15
year
10:16
journey.
10:17
So
10:17
tell
10:18
us
10:18
what
10:20
children's
10:20
book
10:21
authorship
10:22
journey
10:22
has
10:22
meant
10:23
to
10:23
you.
10:24
A
10:25
little
10:25
background,
10:25
too,
10:26
is
10:26
I
10:26
have
10:27
four
10:27
adult
10:28
men
10:28
now,
10:28
but
10:28
when
10:29
our
10:29
two
10:30
oldest
10:32
is
10:32
when
10:32
I
10:32
started
10:34
this
10:34
book.
10:35
And
10:35
it
10:35
was
10:35
because
10:36
they
10:36
were
10:36
very
10:37
active
10:38
young
10:38
boys,
10:39
always
10:39
in
10:39
the
10:39
room
10:40
early.
10:40
And
10:40
it
10:41
was
10:41
just
10:41
a
10:41
quick
10:42
imagination
10:42
one
10:42
morning
10:43
developing
10:43
this
10:44
story,
10:44
right?
10:45
And
10:45
it
10:45
kept
10:45
evolving
10:46
and
10:46
kept
10:46
evolving.
10:47
Actually,
10:47
the
10:47
first
10:48
round
10:48
was
10:48
more
10:48
of
10:48
a
10:49
clown
10:49
figure,
10:50
if
10:50
you
10:50
will.
10:51
And
10:51
it
10:51
added
10:52
over
10:52
time.
10:52
I
10:52
realized
10:53
that
10:53
clowns
10:54
aren't
10:54
always
10:54
a
10:54
favorite.
10:55
We've
10:55
had.
10:55
I've
10:56
had
10:56
two
10:56
different
10:56
illustrators.
10:57
And
10:57
then
10:57
when
10:57
I
10:58
saw
10:58
Cass's
10:59
work
10:59
and
10:59
honestly,
11:00
I
11:00
sent
11:00
her
11:00
a
11:00
picture
11:01
of
11:01
one
11:01
of
11:01
our
11:01
grandkids
11:02
and
11:02
I
11:02
said,
11:02
I
11:03
want
11:03
you
11:03
to
11:03
captivate
11:04
a
11:04
little
11:04
bit
11:04
of
11:05
the
11:05
Kumentis
11:05
in
11:06
this
11:06
illustration.
11:07
And
11:08
that
11:08
what
11:08
we
11:09
have
11:09
now
11:09
is
11:09
what
11:09
she
11:09
came
11:10
up
11:10
with.
11:10
I
11:10
just
11:10
almost
11:11
cried
11:11
laughing
11:12
with
11:12
tears
11:13
of
11:13
joy
11:13
because
11:14
it
11:14
really
11:14
does
11:14
look
11:15
like
11:15
some
11:15
of
11:15
our
11:15
boys.
11:16
I've
11:16
had
11:16
people
11:17
say,
11:17
isn't
11:17
that
11:17
Sam?
11:18
To
11:18
have
11:18
it
11:19
where
11:19
we
11:19
are
11:19
now,
11:20
it
11:20
just
11:20
seems
11:21
like
11:21
the
11:21
right
11:21
time.
11:21
It
11:22
was
11:22
the
11:22
right
11:22
season
11:23
to
11:23
do
11:23
it
11:23
one
11:23
more
11:24
time
11:24
and
11:24
do
11:24
it
11:24
well,
11:25
I
11:25
hope
11:25
and
11:25
do
11:26
it
11:26
correctly.
11:27
But
11:28
over
11:28
the
11:28
years,
11:28
my
11:28
husband's
11:29
been
11:29
a
11:29
big
11:29
support.
11:29
And
11:30
he's
11:30
always
11:30
had
11:30
this
11:31
song
11:31
about
11:31
Kid
11:32
Clown
11:32
and
11:33
Butterfly
11:33
and
11:33
he'll
11:33
sing
11:34
it.
11:34
I'm
11:34
like,
11:34
oh,
11:35
my
11:35
gosh,
11:35
we
11:35
gotta
11:35
just.
11:36
We
11:36
gotta
11:36
do
11:37
it
11:37
right.
11:37
And
11:37
I
11:37
feel
11:38
like
11:38
bringing
11:38
Cass,
11:39
our
11:39
team
11:40
together,
11:40
her
11:41
and
11:41
I,
11:41
I
11:41
think
11:41
we
11:41
did
11:41
it
11:42
justice.
11:42
So
11:43
Cassidy
11:44
kickstarted
11:44
the
11:45
whole
11:45
thing
11:45
to
11:46
actually
11:46
bring
11:46
it
11:46
to
11:47
life.
11:47
I
11:47
think
11:48
it
11:48
was
11:48
Cass
11:48
who
11:49
kickstarted
11:50
me
11:50
to
11:51
do
11:51
it
11:51
one
11:51
more
11:51
time.
11:52
It's
11:52
been
11:52
around.
11:53
It
11:53
was
11:53
in
11:54
Target
11:54
stores
11:54
in
11:55
Minnesota
11:55
at
11:55
one
11:55
time.
11:56
It's
11:56
hit
11:57
a
11:57
few
11:57
stores
11:57
where
11:57
we
11:58
live
11:58
now.
11:58
But
11:59
when
11:59
I
11:59
saw
11:59
what
11:59
she
12:00
did
12:00
and
12:00
one
12:01
of
12:01
the
12:01
first
12:01
things,
12:01
I
12:01
said,
12:02
I
12:02
really
12:02
want
12:02
more
12:03
bright
12:04
colors.
12:04
I
12:05
want
12:05
more
12:05
primary.
12:06
And
12:06
when
12:07
she
12:07
first
12:07
sent
12:08
the
12:08
character
12:09
now
12:10
transformed,
12:11
that
12:11
was
12:11
it.
12:11
I
12:12
was
12:12
like,
12:12
oh,
12:12
this
12:12
is
12:12
done.
12:13
If
12:13
she
12:13
will
12:14
accept
12:14
the
12:14
challenge,
12:15
this
12:15
is
12:15
going
12:16
to
12:16
be
12:16
doing
12:17
it.
12:17
And
12:17
Casti,
12:18
you
12:18
said
12:18
when
12:18
you
12:19
read
12:19
the
12:19
story,
12:20
like
12:20
you
12:20
fell
12:20
in
12:20
love
12:21
with
12:21
it.
12:22
So
12:23
when
12:24
you
12:24
read
12:24
it,
12:24
were
12:24
you
12:25
already
12:25
visualizing
12:27
how
12:27
you
12:27
were
12:28
going
12:28
to
12:28
bring
12:28
it
12:28
to
12:28
life?
12:30
Yeah,
12:30
I
12:30
do
12:30
that
12:30
with
12:31
everything
12:31
I
12:31
read.
12:32
So
12:32
it
12:32
wasn't
12:33
super
12:33
hard
12:33
for
12:33
me
12:34
to
12:34
visualize
12:34
it.
12:34
And
12:35
vibrant
12:35
is
12:36
how
12:36
I
12:36
make
12:36
my
12:36
art.
12:37
So
12:37
when
12:37
she
12:37
said
12:37
that,
12:37
I
12:38
was
12:38
like,
12:38
this
12:38
is
12:38
a
12:38
walk
12:39
in
12:39
the
12:39
park.
12:39
I
12:39
got
12:40
this,
12:40
okay?
12:41
Because
12:41
every
12:42
illustrator
12:42
comes
12:43
at
12:43
the
12:43
work
12:43
a
12:44
little
12:44
differently.
12:45
Like
12:45
the
12:45
illustrator
12:46
that
12:46
we
12:46
work
12:46
with,
12:47
because
12:48
our
12:48
adventures
12:49
with
12:49
my
12:49
grandchildren
12:50
were
12:50
real.
12:51
So
12:51
all
12:51
of
12:52
our
12:52
stories
12:52
are
12:52
based
12:53
on
12:53
real
12:53
events.
12:54
I
12:54
had
12:55
photographs
12:56
that
12:56
I
12:56
could
12:56
send
12:57
to
12:57
him
12:57
and
12:58
say,
12:58
this
12:59
is
12:59
how
12:59
I
13:00
see
13:00
the
13:00
story
13:01
coming
13:01
to
13:01
life.
13:02
Now,
13:02
of
13:02
course,
13:03
he
13:03
took
13:04
real
13:04
people
13:05
and
13:05
real
13:05
photographs,
13:06
turned
13:06
them
13:06
into
13:07
the
13:07
characters
13:08
that
13:08
we
13:08
wanted.
13:09
So
13:09
he
13:09
did
13:09
the
13:10
characters,
13:10
except
13:11
for
13:11
the.
13:11
The
13:12
initial
13:12
character,
13:13
Caboose,
13:13
because
13:14
we
13:14
already
13:14
had
13:15
that
13:15
one
13:16
developed
13:17
and
13:17
we
13:17
already
13:18
created
13:18
the
13:18
plushie.
13:19
You
13:19
probably
13:19
see
13:20
Caboose
13:20
behind
13:21
me.
13:22
And
13:22
so
13:22
anyways,
13:23
from
13:23
there,
13:23
that's
13:24
how
13:24
we
13:24
developed
13:25
it.
13:25
So
13:26
as
13:26
a
13:26
illustrator
13:27
for
13:27
yourself,
13:27
Cassidy,
13:29
a
13:29
lot
13:29
of
13:29
things
13:30
you
13:30
can
13:30
visualize
13:31
by
13:31
just
13:32
the
13:32
words.
13:33
Oh,
13:33
yeah.
13:34
But
13:34
that's
13:34
just
13:34
what
13:34
I've
13:35
done
13:35
since
13:35
I
13:35
was
13:35
a
13:36
kid.
13:36
I'm
13:36
always
13:37
sitting
13:37
in
13:37
class,
13:37
daydreaming
13:38
about
13:38
anything
13:39
and
13:39
everything.
13:39
So
13:40
anytime
13:40
I'm
13:40
reading
13:41
a
13:41
book,
13:42
even
13:42
now,
13:43
I'm
13:43
like,
13:43
I
13:44
can't
13:44
not
13:44
picture
13:45
it.
13:45
Which
13:45
is
13:45
why
13:45
sometimes
13:46
I
13:46
have
13:46
to
13:46
reread
13:47
things,
13:48
because
13:48
I'm
13:48
too
13:48
in
13:48
my
13:49
brain
13:49
about
13:49
it
13:49
and
13:49
just
13:50
wandering
13:50
off.
13:51
But
13:51
that's
13:52
my
13:52
favorite
13:53
thing
13:53
about
13:53
illustrating,
13:53
is
13:54
because
13:54
I
13:54
can
13:54
just
13:54
read
13:54
something,
13:55
just
13:56
see
13:56
something.
13:57
Wow.
13:57
Wow.
13:58
What
13:58
a
13:58
great
13:58
skill
13:59
to
13:59
have.
14:00
Debbie,
14:00
I'm
14:00
going
14:00
to
14:00
take
14:00
you
14:01
back.
14:01
We're
14:01
going
14:01
to
14:02
go
14:02
back
14:02
30
14:02
years
14:04
and
14:04
when
14:05
you
14:05
and
14:05
I
14:05
were
14:05
much
14:06
younger
14:07
and
14:07
Cassidy
14:08
wasn't
14:08
born
14:08
yet.
14:09
Nope.
14:11
So
14:12
maybe
14:12
a
14:12
thought.
14:13
Maybe
14:13
a
14:13
thought.
14:13
Okay,
14:14
that's
14:14
good.
14:14
Debbie,
14:15
tell
14:15
us
14:15
about
14:16
the
14:16
inspiration,
14:17
if
14:17
you
14:17
can,
14:18
behind
14:18
the
14:18
book.
14:18
How
14:19
did
14:19
it
14:19
all
14:19
start
14:19
and
14:20
why
14:20
did
14:20
it
14:20
start?
14:22
I
14:22
love
14:22
to
14:23
write.
14:23
I'm
14:24
always
14:24
rhyming.
14:25
There's
14:25
always
14:25
something
14:26
rhyming
14:26
to
14:26
Cass
14:27
and
14:27
her.
14:27
She
14:28
said
14:28
when
14:28
she
14:28
has
14:28
a
14:29
vision,
14:29
it
14:29
just.
14:30
When
14:31
somebody.
14:31
I'm
14:32
known,
14:32
when.
14:33
Wherever
14:33
I've
14:33
worked.
14:34
Debbie,
14:34
we
14:34
need
14:34
a
14:35
birthday
14:35
card.
14:35
Make
14:35
one
14:35
of.
14:36
And
14:36
in
14:36
five
14:36
minutes,
14:37
I
14:37
will
14:37
write
14:38
a
14:38
poem
14:38
about
14:39
somebody
14:39
and
14:39
make
14:39
it
14:39
a
14:40
birthday
14:40
card.
14:41
So
14:41
when
14:42
my
14:42
kids
14:42
were
14:42
little,
14:43
I
14:43
would
14:43
just
14:43
tell
14:43
the
14:44
story,
14:44
and
14:44
it
14:44
was
14:44
always
14:44
rhyming.
14:45
But
14:45
what
14:46
was
14:46
cool
14:46
is
14:46
they
14:47
enjoyed
14:47
it
14:48
enough
14:48
where
14:48
we
14:49
would
14:49
go
14:49
to
14:49
playgroups,
14:49
and
14:49
they're
14:50
like,
14:50
mom,
14:50
tell
14:51
that
14:51
story.
14:51
So
14:52
then
14:52
I
14:52
tell
14:52
it,
14:52
and
14:52
then
14:53
I'd
14:53
tell
14:53
it
14:53
again,
14:53
and
14:53
then
14:54
I
14:54
tell
14:54
it
14:54
again.
14:55
I
14:55
think
14:55
at
14:55
one
14:56
point
14:56
my
14:56
husband
14:56
said,
14:56
debbie,
14:57
have
14:57
you
14:57
ever
14:57
thought
14:57
of
14:58
just
14:58
writing
14:58
it
14:58
into
14:58
a
14:59
book?
14:59
Which
14:59
I
15:00
hadn't,
15:01
but
15:01
then
15:01
I
15:02
did,
15:02
and
15:03
it
15:03
seemed
15:03
to
15:04
take
15:04
off
15:04
at
15:05
the
15:05
time
15:05
with
15:06
what
15:06
we
15:06
had.
15:07
But
15:07
to
15:07
be
15:07
honest,
15:07
we
15:08
moved
15:08
quite
15:08
a
15:08
bit.
15:08
I
15:09
think
15:09
I
15:09
got
15:09
a
15:09
little
15:09
lazy
15:10
and
15:10
complacent
15:10
and
15:10
I'm
15:11
like,
15:11
that's
15:11
good.
15:12
But
15:12
then
15:13
again,
15:14
when
15:14
I
15:14
saw
15:15
Cass
15:15
artwork
15:16
and
15:17
it
15:17
just
15:17
wouldn't
15:18
leave
15:18
my
15:18
mind
15:18
that
15:18
I'd
15:19
never
15:19
really
15:19
finished
15:19
it
15:20
or
15:20
completed
15:20
the
15:21
project
15:21
in
15:21
its
15:23
best
15:23
way.
15:24
And
15:24
it's
15:24
interesting
15:25
because
15:25
I
15:26
had
15:26
one
15:26
of
15:26
my
15:27
first
15:27
guests,
15:27
Terry,
15:28
Linda
15:28
Santa
15:29
Simon,
15:29
and
15:29
there's
15:29
a
15:30
Hubbard
15:30
in
15:30
my
15:30
cupboard.
15:31
She
15:31
lives
15:31
in
15:31
Hamburg,
15:32
New
15:32
York.
15:32
And
15:33
she
15:33
was
15:33
telling
15:33
me
15:34
because
15:34
she
15:34
was
15:35
a
15:35
school
15:35
teacher
15:35
and
15:36
I
15:36
believe
15:36
Cassidy,
15:37
you're
15:37
also
15:37
a
15:37
school
15:37
teacher.
15:39
Terry
15:39
told
15:40
me
15:40
that
15:40
she
15:40
wrote
15:40
the
15:41
book
15:41
30
15:41
years
15:42
ago
15:42
and
15:43
then
15:43
put
15:43
it
15:43
away.
15:44
And
15:45
when
15:45
she
15:46
retired,
15:46
somehow
15:48
going
15:48
through
15:48
stuff,
15:49
the
15:50
story
15:50
popped
15:50
up
15:51
and
15:51
she
15:51
thought,
15:52
now
15:52
I've
15:52
got
15:52
to
15:52
get
15:53
it
15:53
published.
15:53
I've
15:53
got
15:54
no
15:54
excuse
15:55
for
15:55
not
15:55
having
15:55
time.
15:56
So
15:57
that's
15:57
how
15:57
it
15:57
all
15:57
started.
15:58
I'm
15:59
also
15:59
interested.
16:00
Debbie,
16:01
maybe
16:01
you
16:01
can
16:01
explain
16:02
this
16:02
and
16:02
maybe
16:03
it's
16:03
Cassie's
16:04
influence
16:04
or
16:05
just
16:05
maybe
16:05
that's
16:06
just
16:06
the
16:06
way
16:06
it
16:06
happened.
16:07
But
16:07
I
16:07
noticed
16:08
on
16:08
your
16:08
website
16:09
you
16:09
say
16:09
the
16:10
age
16:10
range
16:10
for
16:11
the
16:11
book
16:11
is
16:12
0
16:12
to
16:12
8
16:14
and
16:14
I
16:14
don't
16:15
talk
16:15
about
16:15
this
16:15
often,
16:16
but
16:16
0
16:17
to
16:17
8
16:17
tends
16:18
to
16:18
be
16:18
what
16:18
they
16:18
call
16:19
early
16:19
childhood
16:20
education.
16:22
So
16:22
it's
16:22
not
16:22
elementary.
16:24
So
16:24
it's
16:24
going
16:25
from
16:25
0
16:25
to
16:25
8
16:26
and
16:26
the
16:26
child's
16:27
development.
16:28
Why
16:28
0
16:28
to
16:29
8?
16:29
Is
16:29
there
16:29
any
16:30
early
16:30
childhood
16:31
education
16:31
in
16:32
your
16:32
background
16:32
or
16:33
backgrounds?
16:34
Like
16:34
why
16:35
0
16:35
to
16:35
8?
16:38
I
16:38
think
16:38
with
16:39
the
16:39
lack
16:39
of
16:40
our
16:40
team
16:40
that
16:41
helped
16:41
us
16:41
produce
16:42
and
16:42
do,
16:42
they
16:43
were
16:43
ones
16:43
that
16:43
after
16:44
reading
16:44
it,
16:44
felt
16:45
it
16:45
was
16:46
best
16:46
suited
16:46
for
16:46
that.
16:47
Cass,
16:47
being
16:47
a
16:47
teacher,
16:48
also
16:49
supported
16:49
that.
16:50
I
16:50
will
16:50
say
16:51
this
16:51
though,
16:51
I
16:51
was
16:52
a
16:52
little
16:52
concerned,
16:53
to
16:53
be
16:53
honest
16:53
with
16:53
you,
16:54
about
16:54
zero.
16:54
Like
16:55
what?
16:55
But
16:56
I
16:56
will
16:56
tell
16:56
you,
16:56
and
16:57
I'm
16:57
tooting
16:57
on
16:58
this
16:58
one
16:58
a
16:58
little
16:58
bit.
16:59
We
16:59
have
16:59
a
17:00
five
17:00
month
17:00
old
17:00
granddaughter
17:02
and
17:02
every
17:03
time
17:03
they
17:03
read
17:04
her
17:04
in
17:04
that
17:04
book,
17:05
she
17:05
literally
17:06
just
17:07
flails
17:07
and
17:08
grabs
17:08
it
17:08
and
17:08
talks
17:09
to
17:09
it.
17:09
And
17:10
again,
17:11
I
17:11
don't
17:11
know
17:11
that
17:11
she
17:11
understands
17:12
but
17:12
the
17:12
colors
17:13
something
17:14
about
17:14
it.
17:14
So
17:15
I
17:15
firmly
17:16
now
17:16
support
17:16
that.
17:17
0h,
17:17
because
17:19
she's.
17:20
They've
17:20
said
17:20
that's
17:20
her
17:21
favorite
17:21
book
17:21
and
17:22
I
17:22
don't
17:22
think
17:22
they
17:22
say
17:23
that
17:23
lightly,
17:23
honestly.
17:24
And
17:24
I'm
17:24
interested
17:25
from
17:25
Cassidy,
17:26
when
17:26
you
17:27
start
17:27
doing
17:27
the
17:27
illustrations,
17:28
you
17:28
teach
17:29
elementary
17:29
age
17:30
school
17:31
students?
17:32
Yeah,
17:32
I
17:32
teach
17:32
fourth
17:33
grade,
17:33
so
17:33
they're
17:33
like
17:33
9
17:34
to
17:34
10.
17:35
So
17:35
0
17:35
to
17:35
8's
17:36
a
17:36
different
17:37
educational
17:39
background
17:40
because
17:40
it's
17:40
early
17:41
childhood,
17:41
which
17:42
is
17:42
quite
17:43
a
17:43
bit
17:43
different
17:43
from
17:43
elementary
17:44
school.
17:45
When
17:45
you
17:45
started
17:46
doing
17:46
the
17:46
illustrations,
17:47
was
17:48
that
17:48
a
17:48
conscious
17:49
thing
17:49
or
17:50
it's
17:50
just
17:51
the
17:51
way
17:52
Your
17:52
style
17:52
is.
17:53
And
17:53
that's
17:53
the
17:53
way
17:53
it
17:53
worked
17:54
out.
17:55
I
17:55
think
17:55
a
17:55
little
17:55
bit
17:56
of
17:56
both.
17:56
I
17:57
have
17:57
taught
17:57
younger
17:58
kids.
17:58
I've
17:59
taught
17:59
first,
18:00
second
18:00
and
18:00
third
18:01
grade.
18:01
And
18:02
I
18:02
know
18:02
that
18:03
kids
18:03
love
18:04
color,
18:04
like
18:05
anything
18:05
color
18:05
or
18:06
any
18:06
pictures.
18:06
Like
18:07
when
18:07
I
18:07
would
18:07
read
18:07
to
18:07
my
18:08
second
18:08
graders,
18:09
they
18:09
wouldn't
18:09
even
18:09
want
18:10
to
18:10
listen
18:10
to
18:10
what
18:11
I
18:11
was
18:11
saying.
18:11
They
18:11
were
18:11
just
18:12
like,
18:12
let
18:12
me
18:12
see
18:12
the
18:12
pictures.
18:13
And
18:13
they
18:13
would
18:13
get
18:13
all
18:14
behind
18:14
me
18:14
and
18:14
look
18:14
at
18:14
the
18:15
pictures
18:15
while
18:15
I
18:15
was
18:15
reading
18:16
the
18:16
book.
18:16
And
18:16
so
18:17
I
18:17
knew
18:18
if
18:18
I
18:18
just
18:18
made
18:18
them
18:18
big
18:19
and
18:19
colorful,
18:20
kids
18:20
would
18:20
love
18:20
it.
18:21
Okay,
18:21
fantastic.
18:23
Now
18:24
I'm
18:24
going
18:24
to
18:25
step
18:25
back
18:25
just
18:26
a
18:26
bit
18:26
because
18:27
now
18:27
that
18:27
you've
18:28
divulged
18:29
and
18:29
I
18:29
have
18:29
to
18:29
tell
18:29
you,
18:30
I.
18:30
I
18:30
think
18:30
this
18:31
is
18:31
my
18:31
46th
18:32
children's
18:33
book
18:33
authors
18:34
interview.
18:35
Thank
18:35
you.
18:35
So
18:36
I
18:36
haven't
18:36
talked
18:36
to
18:37
one
18:37
children's
18:38
book
18:38
author
18:38
who
18:39
hasn't
18:39
said
18:39
to
18:40
me,
18:40
I
18:40
did
18:40
have
18:41
one.
18:41
He
18:41
said
18:42
when
18:42
I
18:42
first
18:43
started
18:43
it
18:44
was
18:44
going
18:44
to
18:44
be
18:44
one
18:45
and
18:45
done.
18:46
He's
18:46
now
18:46
the
18:46
author
18:47
of
18:47
five
18:47
children's
18:48
books.
18:48
So
18:49
eventually
18:50
as
18:50
we
18:50
got
18:50
deeper
18:51
into
18:51
the
18:51
conversation,
18:52
he
18:52
said,
18:53
there
18:53
is
18:53
no
18:53
one
18:54
and
18:54
done
18:54
for
18:54
a
18:54
children's
18:55
book
18:55
authority.
18:56
And
18:56
obviously
18:57
with
18:57
two
18:57
more
18:58
books
18:59
that
19:00
you
19:00
have
19:01
floating
19:02
around
19:02
your
19:03
children's
19:03
book
19:03
author's
19:04
brain,
19:05
I'm
19:05
just
19:05
curious
19:06
about,
19:08
do
19:08
you
19:08
have
19:09
a
19:09
children's
19:09
book
19:10
business
19:10
plan?
19:11
What's
19:11
the
19:12
business
19:12
behind
19:13
the
19:13
book?
19:14
And
19:14
have
19:15
you
19:15
both
19:15
discussed
19:16
it
19:16
together?
19:17
I
19:18
think
19:18
we're
19:18
probably
19:18
not
19:19
your
19:19
typical
19:21
team.
19:22
I
19:22
think
19:22
we
19:22
just
19:23
have
19:23
fun
19:23
with
19:23
it.
19:24
My
19:24
goal
19:24
now
19:25
is
19:25
because
19:25
I
19:25
see
19:26
the
19:26
reaction
19:27
and
19:27
see
19:27
some
19:28
of
19:28
the
19:28
response,
19:28
Yes,
19:29
I
19:29
have
19:30
two
19:30
or
19:30
more
19:30
stories
19:31
already
19:31
written.
19:31
Cass
19:32
has
19:32
them
19:32
in
19:32
her
19:32
possession
19:33
and
19:34
my
19:34
hope
19:35
is
19:35
we
19:35
can
19:35
do
19:35
it
19:36
before
19:37
the
19:37
year's
19:38
over
19:38
or
19:38
sometime
19:39
in
19:39
this
19:39
next
19:39
upcoming
19:40
months.
19:40
We'll
19:40
keep
19:40
going.
19:41
I
19:41
also
19:42
would
19:42
like
19:42
to
19:42
see
19:42
them
19:42
in
19:43
some
19:43
of
19:43
the
19:43
stores.
19:44
We
19:44
have
19:44
a
19:44
museum
19:45
out
19:45
here
19:45
that
19:46
has
19:46
butterfly
19:47
display
19:48
and
19:48
so
19:49
it's
19:49
a
19:49
perfect
19:49
fitting
19:50
book.
19:50
And
19:50
they're
19:51
looking
19:51
to
19:51
bring
19:51
it
19:51
into
19:52
there.
19:52
And
19:53
I'm
19:53
really
19:53
enjoying
19:54
just
19:54
donating.
19:54
I've
19:55
been
19:55
donating
19:55
it.
19:55
I
19:56
went
19:56
to
19:56
a
19:56
preschool
19:57
today
19:57
and
19:57
gave
19:57
it
19:57
to
19:57
them.
19:58
I
19:58
donated
19:58
it
19:58
to
19:59
my
19:59
grandson's
19:59
kindergarten
20:00
class
20:00
just
20:01
for
20:01
the
20:01
exposure
20:02
and
20:02
then
20:02
see
20:02
where
20:03
it
20:03
takes
20:03
us.
20:04
That's
20:04
my
20:04
business
20:04
plan.
20:06
I
20:06
would
20:06
love
20:06
to
20:06
keep
20:06
doing
20:06
it.
20:07
Okay.
20:07
Cass
20:08
is.
20:09
I'll
20:09
let
20:09
her
20:09
speak
20:09
to
20:09
this.
20:10
But
20:10
is
20:10
close
20:10
to,
20:10
I
20:11
don't
20:11
know
20:11
his
20:11
last
20:11
name,
20:11
Ricky.
20:12
And
20:13
he's
20:13
a
20:14
well
20:14
known
20:15
artist
20:16
of
20:16
a
20:16
band
20:16
called
20:17
Wild
20:17
Feathers.
20:18
Okay.
20:18
He
20:18
actually
20:19
offered
20:19
to
20:20
cast
20:20
one
20:20
day
20:20
when
20:20
you
20:21
guys
20:21
keep
20:21
going.
20:21
I'll
20:22
play
20:22
your
20:22
music
20:22
for
20:23
your
20:23
song.
20:24
So
20:24
it's
20:24
fun
20:24
to
20:25
think
20:25
and
20:25
dream
20:25
a
20:26
little
20:26
bit.
20:26
I
20:27
love
20:27
it.
20:27
I
20:27
love
20:27
it.
20:28
So
20:28
you'd
20:28
like
20:28
to
20:28
have
20:29
a
20:29
song
20:29
that
20:30
goes
20:30
with
20:31
the
20:31
book?
20:32
Like
20:33
an
20:33
audio,
20:34
I
20:34
guess,
20:34
the
20:35
whole.
20:36
Yes,
20:37
I'll
20:37
share
20:37
an
20:37
idea.
20:38
I'll
20:38
share
20:38
an
20:38
idea
20:39
with
20:39
you.
20:39
Please
20:40
do.
20:40
Here
20:40
we
20:40
go.
20:41
So
20:41
what
20:42
we
20:42
did.
20:43
This
20:43
is
20:44
a
20:44
children's
20:44
bookmark
20:45
we
20:45
made
20:45
up
20:46
so
20:47
you
20:47
could.
20:47
And
20:47
it's
20:48
got
20:48
an
20:48
audio
20:49
file,
20:49
so
20:49
you
20:49
see
20:49
the
20:50
QR
20:50
code.
20:51
My
20:51
middle
20:52
granddaughter
20:53
has
20:53
that
20:53
voice
20:54
that
20:54
we
20:55
envisioned
20:55
for
20:55
Caboose,
20:56
because
20:56
Caboose
20:57
is
20:57
actually
20:58
a
20:58
female.
20:59
And
21:00
she
21:01
made
21:01
the
21:01
audiobook
21:02
of
21:02
our
21:03
original
21:03
book,
21:03
which
21:04
is
21:05
the
21:05
Adventures
21:06
of
21:06
Putin
21:06
Rocky
21:07
Mountain
21:07
Bear.
21:08
What
21:08
we
21:08
did
21:09
is
21:09
to
21:09
encourage
21:10
people
21:10
to
21:10
purchase
21:11
our
21:11
book,
21:11
we
21:12
made
21:12
up
21:12
a
21:13
audio
21:13
book.
21:14
But
21:15
you
21:15
guys
21:15
could
21:15
do
21:15
the
21:16
same
21:16
thing,
21:16
make
21:16
up
21:17
a
21:17
bookmark
21:18
rather
21:18
than
21:19
an
21:19
audiobook.
21:19
You
21:20
could
21:20
have
21:20
your
21:20
song,
21:21
and
21:21
then
21:22
that
21:22
would
21:22
encourage
21:23
people
21:23
to
21:23
buy
21:23
your
21:23
book
21:24
and
21:24
listen
21:25
to
21:25
the
21:25
song
21:25
that.
21:26
Ricky.
21:27
There
21:27
you
21:27
go.
21:28
Cass,
21:29
you
21:29
go
21:29
ahead
21:29
and
21:29
get
21:29
on
21:29
that
21:29
because
21:30
you're
21:30
swimming's
21:30
free
21:30
time.
21:32
I
21:32
know.
21:33
I
21:33
do
21:33
nothing
21:34
all
21:34
day.
21:35
I
21:36
just
21:36
shared
21:36
that
21:36
with
21:37
you.
21:37
That
21:37
there's
21:37
always
21:38
so
21:38
many
21:38
ways
21:39
to.
21:39
To
21:40
introduce
21:40
that
21:40
kind
21:41
of
21:41
thing
21:41
into
21:42
your
21:42
books
21:42
or.
21:43
I
21:43
had
21:43
an
21:44
author,
21:44
Lisa
21:44
Escalise,
21:45
she
21:45
wrote
21:45
a
21:45
book,
21:46
My
21:46
Favorite
21:46
book
21:46
of
21:47
lullabies.
21:48
And
21:48
she
21:48
has
21:49
a
21:49
tremendous
21:49
voice
21:50
and
21:50
plays
21:50
the
21:51
piano.
21:51
And
21:52
so
21:52
she
21:52
actually
21:53
made
21:53
up
21:53
these
21:53
lullabies
21:55
and
21:55
she
21:55
recorded
21:56
them,
21:56
and
21:56
she
21:56
put
21:56
the
21:57
QR
21:57
codes
21:58
right
21:58
in
21:58
the
21:58
book.
21:59
And
21:59
so
22:00
when
22:00
you
22:00
buy
22:00
the
22:00
book,
22:00
you
22:01
can
22:01
actually
22:01
just
22:02
hit
22:02
the
22:02
QR
22:03
codes
22:03
and
22:03
listen
22:03
to
22:04
her
22:04
sing
22:04
the
22:04
lullabies
22:06
that
22:06
she
22:06
wrote
22:06
for
22:06
her
22:07
grandchildren.
22:07
I
22:08
think
22:08
the
22:08
world
22:08
is
22:08
our
22:09
oyster.
22:09
There's
22:09
just
22:09
so
22:10
many
22:10
things
22:10
you
22:10
just
22:11
don't
22:11
know
22:11
until
22:11
you
22:12
start
22:12
to
22:12
get
22:12
into
22:12
it.
22:12
I.
22:13
Yeah.
22:14
Technology
22:14
is
22:15
amazing.
22:16
I
22:16
want
22:16
to
22:17
talk
22:17
to
22:17
you
22:17
about
22:17
your
22:17
publishing
22:18
approach.
22:19
And
22:20
I
22:20
was
22:20
looking
22:21
in
22:21
your
22:21
book,
22:22
Cassie.
22:22
I
22:23
was
22:23
showing
22:23
Debbie
22:24
that
22:24
I
22:24
purchased
22:25
the
22:25
book.
22:26
Now
22:26
it's
22:27
on
22:27
my
22:27
iPad.
22:28
But
22:28
look
22:28
how
22:29
vibrant
22:29
your
22:29
colors
22:30
are.
22:31
Like,
22:32
turn
22:32
it
22:32
this
22:32
way.
22:33
Look
22:33
at
22:33
that.
22:35
Isn't
22:35
that
22:35
beautiful?
22:36
Glad
22:36
it
22:36
shows
22:36
up
22:36
on
22:37
screen,
22:37
too.
22:37
Yeah,
22:38
it
22:38
does.
22:39
It's
22:39
amazing.
22:40
So,
22:40
anyways,
22:40
I
22:40
just
22:41
want
22:41
you
22:41
to
22:41
let
22:41
you
22:41
know
22:42
I
22:42
had
22:42
the
22:42
book,
22:42
so
22:43
thank
22:44
you.
22:44
You're
22:44
welcome.
22:45
So
22:45
I
22:45
could
22:45
talk
22:46
to
22:46
you
22:46
about
22:46
the
22:47
book
22:47
and
22:47
not
22:47
pretend
22:48
I
22:48
know
22:48
something
22:49
about
22:49
it.
22:49
But
22:50
now
22:50
that
22:50
I've
22:51
read
22:51
it,
22:51
I
22:52
noticed
22:52
that
22:52
from
22:53
a
22:53
publishing
22:53
standpoint,
22:54
you
22:55
don't
22:55
have
22:55
a
22:55
publisher's
22:56
name
22:56
in
22:56
the
22:56
book.
22:58
So
22:59
tell
22:59
us
23:00
that
23:00
story.
23:01
In
23:01
theory,
23:01
it's
23:02
like
23:02
we
23:03
published
23:03
it
23:03
ourselves.
23:05
We
23:05
went
23:06
through
23:06
a
23:06
marketing
23:08
team,
23:08
if
23:08
you
23:09
will,
23:10
that
23:10
guided
23:11
us
23:11
and
23:11
helped
23:12
us
23:12
get
23:12
it
23:12
through
23:13
Amazon
23:13
Publishing.
23:14
So
23:14
it's
23:15
really
23:15
kdp,
23:16
which
23:16
is
23:16
their
23:17
name.
23:18
So
23:18
Amazon,
23:19
upon
23:21
orders,
23:21
will
23:21
print
23:22
and
23:22
send
23:22
out,
23:22
print
23:23
and
23:23
send
23:23
out.
23:24
So
23:25
in
23:25
this,
23:26
in
23:26
essence,
23:26
it's
23:27
our
23:27
own
23:27
publishing
23:28
through
23:28
their
23:29
help,
23:29
which
23:30
was
23:30
really
23:31
cool.
23:31
Now
23:32
we
23:32
can
23:32
sell
23:33
it
23:34
in
23:34
a
23:34
bookstore
23:35
or
23:35
whatever
23:36
and
23:37
they
23:37
can
23:37
price
23:37
it
23:37
themselves.
23:38
You've
23:39
got
23:39
an
23:39
ISBN
23:40
number
23:40
on
23:40
the
23:40
back
23:41
of
23:41
it,
23:41
is
23:41
that
23:41
correct?
23:42
Yeah.
23:43
Yes.
23:44
Okay.
23:44
So
23:45
just
23:45
so
23:45
you
23:45
know,
23:46
we
23:46
set
23:46
up
23:46
our
23:47
own
23:47
publishing
23:47
company
23:48
just
23:48
like
23:48
you
23:49
have,
23:49
except
23:49
we
23:49
actually
23:49
named
23:50
it.
23:50
We
23:50
named
23:51
ours
23:51
Caboose,
23:52
the
23:52
Rocky
23:52
Mountain
23:53
Bear
23:53
Publishing
23:54
Den.
23:54
And
23:54
we
23:55
just
23:55
put
23:55
above
23:55
the
23:56
ISBN.
23:57
Okay.
23:58
Okay.
23:59
The
23:59
reason
23:59
I
23:59
wanted
23:59
to
23:59
ask
24:00
you
24:00
that
24:00
because
24:00
your
24:01
book
24:01
is
24:01
the
24:01
first
24:02
one
24:02
I've
24:02
seen
24:03
that
24:03
doesn't
24:03
have
24:03
a
24:04
publishing
24:05
company
24:05
name
24:05
on
24:06
the
24:06
book.
24:06
You
24:07
know,
24:07
that's
24:07
almost
24:08
50
24:09
children's
24:09
books
24:09
that
24:10
I've
24:10
gone
24:10
through,
24:10
including
24:11
ours.
24:11
And
24:12
I
24:12
haven't
24:12
seen
24:13
where
24:13
you
24:13
haven't
24:14
had
24:14
a
24:14
publishing
24:14
company's
24:15
name.
24:15
Now
24:15
that
24:15
doesn't
24:16
mean
24:16
you,
24:16
you
24:17
have
24:17
to
24:17
have
24:17
one.
24:17
I
24:18
just
24:18
had
24:18
never
24:18
seen
24:19
that.
24:19
Obviously
24:20
it's
24:20
not
24:21
that
24:21
important
24:22
because
24:22
you
24:23
have
24:23
it
24:23
published.
24:24
No,
24:25
it.
24:25
There
24:26
are.
24:26
I
24:26
will
24:27
say
24:27
this
24:27
though.
24:27
I've
24:28
looked
24:28
into
24:28
some
24:28
opportunities
24:29
and
24:30
it's
24:30
not
24:30
a
24:31
downside,
24:31
but
24:31
I
24:32
looked
24:32
into
24:32
for
24:32
instance,
24:33
Dolly
24:33
Parton,
24:34
Imagination
24:34
Library
24:35
and
24:36
they
24:36
only
24:36
bring
24:36
in
24:37
books
24:37
that
24:37
are
24:37
through
24:37
Random
24:38
House
24:38
Publishing.
24:39
I
24:40
guess
24:40
a
24:40
more
24:41
for
24:41
me
24:41
financially
24:44
more
24:44
affordable
24:45
the
24:45
way
24:45
we
24:45
went.
24:46
Okay.
24:46
And
24:47
to
24:47
make
24:47
sure
24:47
and
24:48
see
24:48
where
24:48
we
24:48
do
24:48
and
24:49
how
24:49
we
24:49
do.
24:49
And
24:50
also
24:50
it
24:50
was
24:50
a
24:51
very
24:51
hands
24:51
on
24:52
with
24:52
who
24:52
we
24:52
worked
24:53
with.
24:53
We
24:53
were
24:53
the
24:53
masters
24:54
of
24:54
our
24:54
domain.
24:55
They
24:55
would
24:55
guide
24:55
us
24:56
and
24:56
I,
24:57
I
24:57
appreciated
24:58
that,
24:58
especially
24:59
since
24:59
we're
24:59
trying
25:00
this
25:00
out
25:00
now
25:01
For
25:01
Cassidy,
25:02
as
25:02
I
25:02
mentioned
25:02
earlier,
25:04
I'm
25:04
very
25:04
grateful
25:05
that
25:05
this
25:05
has
25:05
launched
25:06
her
25:07
career
25:07
because
25:07
she
25:07
is
25:08
talented
25:08
and
25:08
probably
25:09
didn't
25:10
realize
25:10
how
25:10
talented.
25:11
So
25:11
this
25:11
is
25:11
a
25:11
great.
25:12
I
25:12
think
25:12
she
25:12
did
25:13
realize
25:13
that
25:13
she
25:13
doesn't
25:14
like
25:14
to
25:14
speak
25:14
about.
25:14
You're
25:15
making
25:15
her
25:15
bluff.
25:16
Yes,
25:16
I
25:17
do,
25:17
always.
25:18
But
25:19
it
25:19
was
25:20
the
25:20
right
25:20
way
25:20
to
25:20
do
25:20
it
25:20
for
25:20
us.
25:21
Okay.
25:22
And
25:22
the
25:22
reason
25:23
I
25:23
ask
25:23
is
25:24
because
25:24
I
25:24
do
25:24
talk
25:25
about.
25:25
Again,
25:26
we're
25:26
talking
25:27
to
25:27
aspiring
25:28
children's
25:28
book
25:28
authors.
25:29
So
25:29
I'm
25:29
trying
25:29
to
25:30
have
25:30
them
25:30
understand
25:31
that
25:31
there's
25:31
generally
25:32
three
25:32
ways
25:32
of
25:32
publishing.
25:33
You
25:34
can
25:34
either
25:34
go
25:34
traditional
25:35
publishing,
25:36
which
25:36
is
25:36
to
25:36
go
25:37
and
25:37
find
25:37
a
25:38
literary
25:38
agent
25:39
and
25:39
then
25:39
they
25:39
find
25:40
you
25:40
a
25:40
publisher.
25:41
But
25:41
then
25:41
that
25:42
gets
25:42
to
25:42
be
25:43
quite
25:44
cumbersome
25:45
and
25:45
it
25:45
takes
25:46
a
25:46
long
25:46
time.
25:47
You
25:47
can
25:48
get
25:48
self
25:48
published,
25:49
which
25:49
means
25:50
that
25:50
you
25:50
go
25:51
and
25:51
you
25:51
hire
25:52
someone
25:53
to
25:53
do
25:53
all
25:53
the
25:53
work
25:54
and
25:55
you
25:55
keep
25:55
all
25:55
the
25:56
rights,
25:56
but
25:56
you've
25:57
hired
25:57
someone,
25:57
you
25:57
paid
25:58
them
25:58
15
25:59
to
25:59
$20,000
26:00
and
26:00
they
26:01
bring
26:01
your
26:01
book
26:01
to
26:01
life
26:02
and
26:02
they
26:02
give
26:02
you
26:02
a
26:02
beautiful
26:03
book,
26:03
but
26:04
it's
26:04
cost
26:04
you
26:04
15
26:05
to
26:05
$20,000.
26:06
And
26:06
then
26:06
there's
26:07
the
26:07
industries
26:08
terminology,
26:09
indie
26:09
publishing,
26:10
which
26:10
is
26:10
independent
26:11
publishing,
26:11
which
26:12
is
26:12
what
26:12
you
26:12
guys
26:13
have
26:13
done.
26:13
And
26:14
what
26:14
we've
26:14
done
26:14
is
26:15
we've
26:15
been
26:16
like
26:16
you
26:16
said
26:16
the.
26:17
What
26:17
did
26:17
you
26:17
call
26:17
it?
26:18
The
26:18
masters
26:18
of
26:18
your
26:19
own
26:19
domain.
26:20
Domain.
26:21
Yeah.
26:21
And
26:21
yeah.
26:22
So
26:22
I
26:22
always
26:23
say
26:23
to
26:23
people,
26:23
you
26:24
know
26:24
what
26:24
you
26:24
should
26:25
learn,
26:25
if
26:25
you
26:26
can,
26:26
the
26:26
skills
26:27
and
26:27
become
26:27
your
26:27
own
26:28
general
26:28
manager
26:29
and
26:29
be
26:30
an
26:30
indie
26:30
publisher.
26:31
Because
26:31
the
26:32
cost
26:33
of
26:34
going
26:34
through
26:34
a
26:35
self
26:35
publishing
26:35
house,
26:36
and
26:36
don't
26:36
get
26:36
me
26:36
wrong,
26:36
they
26:37
do
26:37
a
26:37
beautiful
26:38
job.
26:38
The
26:39
only
26:39
thing
26:39
is
26:39
with
26:40
all
26:40
that
26:40
money,
26:41
if
26:41
you
26:41
could
26:41
take
26:42
even
26:43
half
26:43
of
26:43
that
26:43
money
26:44
and
26:44
put
26:45
it
26:45
into
26:46
sales
26:46
and
26:46
marketing,
26:47
because
26:48
once
26:48
you
26:48
have
26:48
a
26:49
product,
26:49
now
26:50
what
26:50
do
26:50
you
26:50
do?
26:51
And
26:51
that's
26:52
where
26:52
I'm
26:52
trying
26:52
to
26:53
educate
26:53
aspiring
26:54
book
26:54
authors,
26:55
is
26:55
for
26:55
them
26:56
to
26:56
understand.
26:57
The
26:57
easy
26:58
part
26:58
is
26:59
getting
26:59
the
26:59
book
27:00
published.
27:02
The
27:02
hard
27:02
part
27:03
is
27:03
the
27:03
sales
27:04
and
27:04
marketing.
27:05
Because
27:06
if
27:06
you
27:06
have
27:06
a
27:07
beautiful
27:07
product
27:08
but
27:08
no
27:09
one
27:09
ever
27:09
sees
27:09
it.
27:10
And
27:10
how
27:11
do
27:11
you
27:11
do
27:11
that?
27:12
With
27:12
whom
27:12
we
27:12
worked
27:13
with,
27:13
we
27:13
had
27:14
four
27:14
months
27:14
of
27:14
a
27:14
contract
27:15
that
27:15
she
27:15
worked
27:15
with
27:16
us
27:16
every
27:16
week,
27:17
gave
27:17
us
27:17
how
27:18
to's,
27:18
how
27:19
do's
27:19
and
27:20
following.
27:21
I
27:21
still
27:21
can
27:21
reach
27:22
out
27:22
to
27:22
her,
27:22
which
27:22
I
27:22
did.
27:22
Today
27:23
we
27:24
are
27:24
just
27:24
branding
27:25
ourselves
27:26
very
27:26
much.
27:27
But
27:27
there,
27:28
where
27:28
I
27:28
live,
27:28
have
27:29
had
27:29
some
27:29
connections.
27:30
I
27:30
actually
27:30
looked
27:31
up
27:31
the
27:31
other
27:31
day,
27:31
we
27:31
had
27:31
someone
27:31
in
27:32
Canada
27:32
buy
27:32
our
27:32
book.
27:33
I'm
27:33
like,
27:33
what?
27:34
So
27:35
we're
27:35
just
27:35
doing
27:36
the
27:36
best
27:36
we
27:36
can.
27:37
Going
27:37
through
27:38
kdp.
27:40
You
27:40
can,
27:40
it's
27:41
worldwide.
27:42
Yes.
27:42
So
27:43
I've
27:43
talked
27:43
to
27:43
children's
27:44
book
27:44
authors
27:45
that
27:45
have
27:45
sold
27:46
books
27:46
in
27:46
India.
27:47
I
27:47
was
27:47
talking
27:48
to
27:48
an
27:48
author,
27:48
she
27:49
was
27:49
shocked.
27:50
She
27:50
sold
27:50
a
27:50
book
27:50
in
27:51
India.
27:51
She's
27:51
thinking,
27:52
I
27:52
don't
27:52
know
27:52
anybody
27:53
in
27:53
India.
27:53
How
27:54
do
27:54
they
27:54
buy
27:54
my
27:54
book?
27:55
Absolutely.
27:55
It's
27:56
very
27:56
cool.
27:57
And
27:57
the
27:57
likes
27:57
of
27:58
your
27:58
podcast,
27:58
Rick,
27:59
that's
27:59
a
27:59
wonderful
27:59
opportunity
28:00
for
28:00
us.
28:00
It's
28:00
one
28:00
more
28:01
way
28:01
of
28:01
getting
28:01
out
28:02
there
28:02
and
28:02
sharing
28:03
what
28:03
we've
28:03
done,
28:03
which
28:04
I'm
28:04
very
28:04
grateful.
28:05
And
28:05
then
28:06
some
28:06
of
28:06
these
28:06
interviews
28:07
that
28:07
we're
28:07
getting
28:08
from
28:09
local
28:09
TV
28:09
or
28:09
whatever,
28:10
every
28:10
little
28:11
bit
28:11
helps,
28:11
but
28:11
you
28:12
have
28:12
to
28:12
work
28:12
hard
28:12
at
28:13
it
28:13
for
28:13
sure.
28:14
Is
28:14
there
28:14
anything
28:14
else
28:15
you
28:15
wanted
28:15
to
28:15
add,
28:16
Cassidy,
28:16
about
28:17
this
28:17
whole
28:18
publishing
28:18
end
28:19
of
28:19
it?
28:19
I'm
28:20
not
28:20
sure
28:20
how
28:20
much
28:21
you
28:21
were
28:21
involved
28:21
in
28:22
it,
28:22
but
28:22
bringing
28:23
it
28:23
to
28:23
life,
28:24
how
28:24
did
28:24
you
28:25
see
28:25
it?
28:26
Yeah,
28:26
I
28:26
Loved
28:27
the
28:27
ladies
28:28
that
28:28
we
28:28
worked
28:28
with.
28:28
Her
28:29
name's
28:29
Meg.
28:29
She's
28:30
fantastic.
28:31
We
28:31
had
28:32
a
28:32
meeting
28:32
every
28:33
single
28:33
Thursday
28:34
for
28:34
an
28:34
hour.
28:34
And
28:35
then
28:35
Debbie
28:35
and
28:36
I
28:36
would
28:36
talk
28:36
every
28:36
single
28:37
day
28:38
about
28:38
what
28:38
we
28:38
were
28:38
going
28:39
to
28:39
post.
28:39
And
28:39
she
28:39
was
28:40
tremendous
28:41
help
28:41
with
28:41
getting
28:41
us
28:42
of
28:42
what
28:42
to
28:42
post
28:42
for
28:42
social
28:43
media
28:43
and
28:43
everything.
28:43
And
28:44
I
28:44
think
28:44
going
28:44
through
28:44
kdp,
28:46
it's
28:46
a
28:46
little
28:47
bit
28:47
difficult
28:47
just
28:48
because
28:48
the
28:48
technology
28:49
and
28:49
if
28:49
you
28:50
have
28:50
to
28:50
connect
28:50
with
28:50
someone
28:51
like
28:51
Debbie
28:52
was
28:52
talking
28:52
to
28:52
somebody
28:53
like
28:53
for
28:54
an
28:54
hour,
28:54
like
28:55
three
28:55
different
28:55
people
28:56
and.
28:56
But
28:57
she.
28:57
You
28:57
have
28:57
to
28:57
be
28:57
very
28:58
consistent
28:58
with
28:58
it.
28:58
And
28:58
Debbie's
28:59
a
28:59
very
28:59
consistent
29:00
person.
29:00
So
29:01
persistent
29:02
persistent
29:04
and
29:05
persistent
29:05
consistent
29:06
both
29:06
together.
29:07
She
29:07
is
29:08
both
29:08
of
29:08
them.
29:09
We'll
29:09
make
29:09
up
29:09
a
29:09
new
29:10
word.
29:11
But
29:12
I
29:12
just.
29:13
One
29:13
of
29:13
the
29:13
classic
29:14
lines
29:14
from
29:14
Cass,
29:15
which
29:15
will
29:15
always
29:15
stay
29:16
with
29:16
me,
29:16
is
29:16
one
29:16
of
29:16
the
29:16
first
29:17
things
29:17
Meg
29:17
asked
29:17
on
29:18
our
29:18
launch
29:19
interview.
29:19
And
29:20
Cassidy's
29:21
response
29:21
was,
29:21
Debbie
29:22
and
29:22
I
29:22
had
29:22
very
29:22
many
29:23
phone
29:23
calls.
29:25
Oh,
29:25
so
29:26
we
29:26
had
29:26
a
29:26
few
29:26
phone
29:26
calls.
29:27
Just
29:27
a
29:28
couple.
29:28
Yeah,
29:29
there
29:29
we
29:29
go.
29:30
Now,
29:30
you
29:30
know
29:30
what?
29:30
It's
29:31
interesting
29:31
because
29:32
I've
29:32
actually
29:32
brought
29:33
on
29:33
because
29:33
generally
29:34
I
29:34
just.
29:35
Generally
29:35
our
29:36
guests
29:36
are
29:37
indie
29:37
or
29:37
self
29:38
published
29:38
children's
29:39
book
29:39
authors.
29:40
But
29:40
I
29:40
have
29:41
lately
29:42
in.
29:43
In
29:44
the.
29:45
Probably
29:45
about
29:45
2/3
29:46
through
29:46
about.
29:47
In
29:47
the.
29:47
About
29:47
the
29:48
32nd,
29:49
33rd
29:49
episode
29:50
of
29:50
the
29:50
podcast
29:51
show,
29:51
I
29:52
found
29:52
that
29:53
I
29:53
needed
29:54
to
29:54
share
29:54
with
29:54
people.
29:55
If
29:55
I'm
29:55
encouraging
29:56
people
29:56
to
29:57
be
29:57
indie
29:58
publishers,
29:59
then
30:00
I
30:00
should
30:00
bring
30:01
on
30:01
some
30:01
guests
30:02
that
30:02
actually
30:02
help
30:03
you
30:04
so
30:04
that
30:04
you're.
30:05
As
30:05
a
30:05
general
30:05
manager
30:06
or
30:07
as
30:07
a.
30:07
Or
30:08
did
30:08
you
30:08
call
30:08
it
30:09
master
30:09
of
30:09
the
30:09
domain?
30:10
Yeah,
30:10
master
30:11
of
30:11
the
30:11
domain.
30:11
If
30:12
you're
30:12
the
30:12
master
30:12
of
30:12
the
30:13
domain,
30:13
you
30:14
have
30:14
to
30:14
be
30:14
the
30:15
master
30:15
over
30:16
your
30:16
domain
30:17
and
30:17
who's
30:17
your
30:18
minions
30:19
that
30:19
are
30:19
working
30:19
for
30:20
you?
30:20
So
30:21
I
30:21
brought
30:22
on
30:22
the
30:22
book
30:22
formatter
30:24
and
30:25
he
30:25
talked
30:26
about
30:27
how
30:28
what
30:28
he
30:28
does
30:28
in
30:29
getting
30:29
your
30:29
book
30:30
ready.
30:30
So
30:30
the
30:30
cool
30:31
thing
30:31
about.
30:31
And
30:32
he's
30:32
also
30:32
my
30:33
book
30:33
formatter.
30:34
So
30:34
the
30:34
nice
30:34
thing
30:34
about
30:34
it,
30:35
he
30:35
gets
30:36
the
30:36
book
30:36
ready
30:37
in
30:37
print
30:38
and
30:39
in
30:40
ebook
30:40
format
30:41
and
30:41
then
30:42
he
30:42
just
30:42
hands
30:42
the
30:43
files
30:43
over
30:43
to
30:43
me
30:44
and
30:45
I
30:45
download
30:45
them
30:46
to
30:46
kdp
30:47
and
30:47
I've
30:48
yet
30:48
to
30:48
have
30:48
any
30:48
issues.
30:49
Something
30:50
as
30:50
simple
30:50
as
30:50
a
30:51
book
30:51
formatter
30:52
who
30:52
does
30:52
that
30:53
for
30:53
a
30:53
living
30:53
can
30:54
make
30:54
your
30:54
life
30:54
so
30:55
much
30:55
easier.
30:56
And
30:56
you
30:56
don't
30:56
even
30:57
have
30:57
to
30:57
phone
30:57
kdp.
30:58
You
30:59
just
30:59
download
30:59
it
31:00
and
31:00
magically
31:01
it
31:01
appears
31:02
and
31:02
they
31:02
send
31:03
you
31:03
that
31:03
message
31:03
and
31:04
it
31:04
says
31:05
your
31:05
book
31:05
has
31:05
been
31:06
successfully
31:07
downloaded.
31:08
I
31:08
know,
31:08
it's
31:09
crazy.
31:09
It
31:09
is.
31:10
We
31:10
did
31:10
have
31:10
some
31:10
challenges
31:11
with
31:11
that.
31:12
So
31:12
if
31:12
I
31:12
wanted
31:12
to
31:12
tell
31:13
any
31:13
future
31:13
author
31:14
we
31:15
did
31:15
meet
31:16
under
31:17
the
31:17
contract
31:17
we
31:17
were
31:17
in
31:17
a
31:18
woman
31:18
named
31:18
Jody,
31:19
and
31:20
she's
31:20
phenomenal.
31:20
And
31:21
I
31:21
reached
31:21
out
31:21
to
31:21
her
31:21
today
31:21
for
31:22
our
31:22
future
31:22
books,
31:22
and
31:22
she
31:23
will
31:23
help
31:23
us.
31:23
I'd
31:23
rather
31:24
pay
31:24
a
31:24
couple
31:24
hundred
31:25
dollars.
31:25
Who
31:25
knows
31:26
what
31:26
they're
31:26
doing
31:26
to
31:27
do
31:27
that
31:27
and
31:27
less
31:28
hassle.
31:29
That's
31:30
why
31:30
I
31:30
brought
31:30
on
31:30
con
31:31
lavery.
31:31
Episode
31:32
29.
31:32
I
31:32
thought,
31:33
you
31:33
know
31:33
what?
31:34
I've
31:34
got
31:34
to
31:34
bring
31:34
on
31:34
a
31:35
book
31:35
formatter
31:35
who
31:36
can
31:36
talk
31:36
to
31:36
you
31:36
about,
31:37
because
31:37
as
31:38
you
31:38
guys
31:38
know,
31:38
you
31:38
have
31:39
to
31:39
have
31:39
the
31:39
book
31:40
cover
31:40
separate
31:41
to
31:42
download
31:42
the
31:42
file
31:43
and
31:43
then
31:44
the
31:44
interior
31:44
of
31:45
the
31:45
book
31:45
separate
31:46
to
31:46
download.
31:47
But
31:47
once
31:47
you
31:47
do
31:48
that
31:48
through
31:48
kdp
31:49
and
31:49
if
31:49
your
31:50
files
31:50
are
31:51
correct,
31:52
it
31:52
just
31:52
happens
31:53
in
31:54
minutes.
31:55
Yes.
31:55
They're
31:56
magic.
31:57
Yes.
31:59
I
32:00
want
32:00
to
32:00
talk
32:00
to
32:00
you
32:00
about
32:01
your
32:01
website
32:02
development,
32:02
because
32:03
I
32:03
went
32:03
to
32:03
your
32:03
website.
32:04
I
32:05
always
32:05
encourage
32:06
children's
32:06
book
32:06
authors
32:07
to
32:07
have
32:07
a
32:07
website
32:08
to
32:08
have
32:09
a
32:09
home
32:09
for
32:09
their
32:09
book,
32:10
because
32:11
KDP
32:12
or
32:12
Amazon
32:13
or
32:13
ingramsparks
32:14
or
32:15
any
32:15
of
32:15
those,
32:16
they're
32:16
online
32:17
retailers.
32:17
You
32:18
need
32:18
to
32:18
direct
32:18
people
32:19
sometimes
32:20
to
32:20
your
32:20
home.
32:21
And
32:21
I
32:22
know
32:22
you
32:22
guys
32:22
have
32:23
put
32:23
together
32:23
a
32:23
website.
32:24
I
32:24
even
32:24
actually
32:25
signed
32:25
up
32:25
for
32:25
the
32:26
newsletter
32:27
and
32:27
all
32:27
the
32:27
goodies.
32:28
So
32:28
there
32:29
you
32:29
go.
32:30
Wow.
32:31
I
32:31
wanted
32:31
to
32:31
do
32:31
that
32:32
because
32:32
I
32:32
again,
32:32
I
32:33
wanted
32:33
to
32:33
understand
32:33
a
32:33
few
32:34
things
32:34
so
32:35
that
32:35
people,
32:35
children's
32:36
book
32:36
authors,
32:36
understand
32:38
the
32:38
website
32:39
part
32:40
of
32:40
the
32:40
business.
32:41
You
32:41
produce
32:41
your
32:42
website
32:42
before
32:42
you
32:43
launch
32:43
your
32:43
book,
32:44
correct?
32:45
Yeah,
32:46
we
32:46
did.
32:46
And
32:46
how
32:47
far
32:47
in
32:47
advance
32:47
did
32:48
you
32:49
do
32:49
that?
32:50
I
32:51
think
32:51
we
32:51
got
32:51
it
32:51
started
32:52
like
32:53
maybe
32:53
almost
32:54
two
32:54
months
32:54
before
32:55
we
32:55
launched
32:56
our
32:56
book.
32:56
Okay,
32:57
so
32:57
two
32:57
months
32:57
before
32:58
your
32:58
book.
32:58
Now,
32:59
I
32:59
noticed
32:59
going
33:00
to
33:00
the
33:00
website
33:01
you
33:02
talked
33:02
that
33:02
you
33:03
are
33:03
launching
33:04
your
33:04
book,
33:05
but
33:05
it
33:05
hasn't.
33:05
You
33:06
haven't
33:06
switched
33:06
it
33:07
over
33:07
to
33:07
say
33:08
ta
33:08
da.
33:08
That's
33:09
a
33:09
really
33:09
good
33:09
point,
33:09
Rick,
33:10
and
33:10
thank
33:10
you
33:10
for
33:10
that.
33:11
But
33:11
I
33:11
have
33:11
been
33:12
in
33:12
touch
33:12
with
33:12
the
33:12
woman
33:12
who
33:13
develop
33:13
the
33:13
website,
33:14
and
33:14
we
33:15
are
33:15
trying
33:15
to
33:15
connect
33:16
on
33:16
a
33:16
time
33:16
that
33:16
we
33:16
can.
33:17
I'm
33:17
a
33:17
little
33:18
behind
33:18
on
33:19
how
33:19
to
33:20
manage
33:20
it
33:21
after
33:21
she
33:21
has
33:22
developed
33:22
it.
33:23
I
33:23
noticed
33:23
that.
33:23
And
33:24
that's
33:24
the
33:24
first
33:24
thing
33:25
we
33:25
need
33:25
to
33:25
change.
33:26
We're
33:26
out,
33:26
we're
33:26
done,
33:27
we're
33:27
ready.
33:27
So
33:28
we're
33:29
in.
33:30
That's
33:30
the
33:30
learning
33:31
curve.
33:31
That
33:31
is
33:32
something
33:32
that
33:32
is.
33:33
I'm
33:33
trying
33:33
to
33:34
connect
33:34
with
33:34
her
33:34
again.
33:35
Time
33:35
zones
33:35
always
33:36
make
33:36
it
33:36
harder.
33:36
So
33:36
we're
33:37
in
33:37
different
33:37
time
33:37
zones
33:38
and
33:38
we're
33:38
just
33:38
trying
33:38
to
33:39
connect
33:40
where
33:40
we
33:40
can
33:40
be.
33:41
She
33:41
can
33:41
guide
33:42
me
33:42
through.
33:42
Cass
33:43
and
33:43
I
33:43
are
33:43
both
33:44
administrators
33:45
on
33:45
that
33:45
website.
33:46
But
33:46
this
33:46
is
33:47
just
33:47
part
33:47
of
33:47
the
33:47
learning
33:47
curve
33:48
that
33:48
when
33:49
you're
33:49
doing
33:49
it
33:49
as
33:50
the
33:50
master
33:50
of
33:50
your
33:50
domain,
33:50
you
33:51
got
33:51
to
33:51
remember
33:51
to
33:51
stay
33:51
on
33:52
top
33:52
of
33:52
these
33:52
things.
33:52
And
33:52
I
33:52
don't
33:53
quite
33:53
know
33:53
quite
33:54
how
33:54
to
33:54
master
33:55
that
33:55
yet.
33:55
And
33:56
that's
33:56
okay.
33:56
I
33:57
bring
33:57
that
33:57
up
33:57
so
33:58
that
33:58
again,
33:59
to
33:59
help
34:00
other
34:00
people
34:01
understand
34:02
that.
34:02
Yeah,
34:02
you
34:03
take
34:03
those
34:03
things
34:03
into
34:04
consideration.
34:05
And
34:05
we
34:05
had
34:05
a
34:05
guest
34:06
on,
34:06
actually,
34:07
Terry
34:07
Lindga,
34:08
who
34:08
I
34:08
talked
34:08
about
34:09
earlier,
34:09
who
34:09
was
34:10
a
34:10
retired
34:10
teacher,
34:11
took
34:11
her
34:11
30
34:12
years
34:12
to
34:12
bring
34:12
her
34:12
book
34:12
to
34:13
market.
34:13
She
34:14
actually
34:14
put
34:15
me
34:15
on
34:15
to
34:15
her
34:16
website
34:17
developer
34:18
and
34:18
I
34:19
had
34:19
him
34:19
on
34:19
as
34:19
a
34:20
guest
34:20
to
34:20
explain
34:21
to
34:21
everybody
34:22
the
34:22
nuances
34:23
of
34:23
the
34:24
steps
34:24
you
34:24
have
34:24
to
34:24
go
34:25
through
34:25
to
34:26
bring
34:26
your
34:27
children's
34:27
books
34:28
website
34:29
to
34:29
life.
34:29
Yeah.
34:30
Because
34:30
the
34:30
other
34:30
thing,
34:31
if
34:31
I
34:31
can
34:31
make
34:31
a
34:31
suggestion,
34:32
you
34:33
may
34:33
already
34:33
know
34:33
this,
34:34
so
34:34
I'm
34:34
not
34:35
telling.
34:35
So
34:35
if
34:36
I'm
34:36
speaking
34:36
at
34:36
a
34:37
school,
34:38
Cassidy,
34:38
you
34:39
can
34:39
slap
34:39
my
34:39
hand.
34:40
So
34:40
anyways,
34:42
I
34:42
noticed
34:43
that
34:43
you
34:43
don't
34:44
have
34:44
any
34:44
of
34:44
your
34:45
social
34:45
media
34:45
links
34:46
on
34:46
your
34:47
website.
34:48
I
34:48
think
34:48
we
34:49
even
34:49
discussed
34:50
having
34:50
that
34:51
on
34:51
there.
34:51
Okay.
34:52
Yeah.
34:52
So
34:52
I
34:52
would
34:53
suggest
34:53
when
34:54
you're
34:54
talking
34:54
to
34:55
your
34:55
website
34:55
person,
34:57
make
34:57
sure
34:57
they
34:58
should
34:58
be
34:58
putting
34:59
both
34:59
Debbie
34:59
and
35:00
Cassie,
35:01
your
35:01
social
35:01
media
35:02
links
35:02
on
35:02
there.
35:03
Because
35:04
I
35:04
don't
35:04
know
35:04
how
35:04
many
35:05
followers
35:05
you
35:05
have
35:06
in
35:06
Facebook
35:06
and
35:07
Instagram.
35:08
It's
35:08
important
35:09
because
35:09
if
35:09
you're
35:10
drive
35:10
people
35:10
to
35:11
your
35:11
home
35:12
and
35:12
then
35:12
you're
35:13
not
35:13
going
35:13
to
35:13
let
35:13
them
35:13
in.
35:14
So
35:14
again,
35:14
I'm
35:15
just
35:15
throwing
35:15
that
35:15
out
35:16
as
35:16
a
35:17
suggestion.
35:17
That's
35:18
wonderful
35:18
and
35:18
thank
35:18
you
35:19
for
35:19
that
35:19
because
35:19
the
35:19
timing
35:19
couldn't
35:20
be
35:20
better.
35:21
I
35:21
actually.
35:22
Funny,
35:23
I
35:23
just
35:24
emailed
35:24
her
35:25
earlier
35:25
today
35:25
about
35:25
it
35:26
and
35:26
she
35:26
just
35:26
said,
35:26
I'm
35:27
sorry,
35:27
the
35:27
time
35:27
got
35:28
away.
35:28
So
35:28
we
35:28
are
35:28
actually
35:29
meeting
35:29
tomorrow
35:30
and
35:30
we'll
35:30
get
35:31
things
35:31
started.
35:32
So
35:32
you
35:32
know
35:33
what
35:33
the
35:33
beautiful
35:33
thing
35:33
about
35:34
it,
35:34
like,
35:34
if
35:34
you
35:34
go
35:34
to
35:35
our
35:35
website,
35:35
which
35:36
is
35:36
caboosetherockymountainbear.com
35:39
Caboose
35:40
with
35:40
a
35:40
K,
35:41
you'll
35:41
notice
35:42
that
35:42
all
35:42
our
35:42
social
35:42
media
35:43
links
35:43
are
35:43
on
35:44
there
35:44
and
35:45
it's
35:45
just
35:45
a
35:45
symbol,
35:46
the
35:46
icon.
35:47
So
35:47
you
35:47
just
35:47
click
35:48
on
35:48
it
35:48
and
35:48
it
35:48
takes
35:49
you
35:49
right
35:49
to
35:49
our
35:49
social
35:50
media
35:50
links.
35:50
That's
35:51
wonderful.
35:51
Yeah.
35:52
So
35:52
I
35:52
would
35:52
suggest
35:53
that.
35:53
I'm
35:53
sure
35:54
he
35:54
does
35:55
that
35:55
all
35:55
the
35:55
time,
35:56
so
35:56
you
35:56
won't
35:57
be
35:57
asking
35:57
her
35:58
to
35:58
do
35:58
something
35:58
she
35:59
doesn't
35:59
do
36:00
all
36:00
the
36:00
time.
36:01
No,
36:01
you're
36:02
absolutely
36:02
right.
36:03
And
36:03
I
36:03
think
36:04
that's
36:04
what
36:04
we're.
36:04
All
36:05
the
36:05
information
36:05
we
36:05
learn
36:06
is
36:06
part
36:07
of
36:07
the
36:07
journey
36:07
and
36:07
it's
36:08
welcome.
36:08
Yeah.
36:09
Thank
36:09
you
36:09
for
36:09
being
36:10
generous
36:10
and
36:10
taking
36:11
the
36:11
advice.
36:12
So
36:13
I'm
36:13
curious,
36:14
Debbie,
36:15
if
36:15
we
36:15
can
36:15
go
36:15
back
36:16
again.
36:17
I
36:17
don't
36:17
know
36:17
if
36:17
it's
36:17
the
36:18
30
36:18
years,
36:18
but
36:19
was
36:19
there
36:20
a
36:20
specific
36:21
person
36:21
or
36:21
event
36:22
that
36:22
motivated
36:23
you
36:23
to
36:24
actually
36:24
write
36:24
your
36:25
children's
36:25
books?
36:26
My
36:26
Husband.
36:28
Oh,
36:28
cool.
36:29
Heard
36:30
that.
36:30
More
36:30
than
36:30
once
36:31
he
36:32
would
36:32
hear
36:32
me
36:32
talk
36:32
about
36:33
it
36:34
and
36:34
tell
36:34
these
36:35
stories
36:35
because,
36:35
of
36:36
course,
36:36
he
36:36
was
36:36
just
36:37
as
36:37
early
36:37
interrupted
36:38
as
36:38
I
36:38
was
36:39
because
36:39
he
36:40
saw
36:40
the
36:40
excitement
36:40
around
36:41
it.
36:41
He's
36:41
the
36:41
one
36:42
who
36:42
said,
36:42
look,
36:42
why
36:43
don't
36:43
you
36:43
do
36:43
it?
36:43
Why
36:43
don't
36:44
you
36:44
try
36:44
it?
36:44
And
36:45
so
36:45
we
36:45
did.
36:47
I
36:47
know
36:47
you
36:48
had
36:48
said,
36:50
I'm
36:50
thinking
36:50
about
36:51
Cassie
36:51
and
36:52
your
36:52
involvement
36:53
with
36:53
the
36:53
characters.
36:54
Do
36:54
you
36:55
think
36:55
the
36:55
familiarity
36:56
of
36:57
knowing
36:58
Debbie's
36:58
family
37:00
helped
37:00
inspire
37:01
you
37:01
to
37:02
come
37:03
up
37:03
with
37:03
the
37:03
graphics
37:04
the
37:04
way
37:04
they
37:04
are?
37:06
I
37:06
would
37:07
say
37:07
yes.
37:07
I
37:08
think
37:08
knowing
37:09
the
37:10
commentees
37:11
is
37:12
very
37:12
helpful
37:12
in
37:13
every
37:13
way.
37:13
If
37:13
you
37:13
look
37:14
at
37:14
any
37:14
of
37:14
their
37:15
childhood
37:15
pictures,
37:15
they
37:16
all
37:16
look
37:16
exactly
37:17
the
37:17
same,
37:17
which
37:17
is
37:18
absolutely
37:18
insane
37:18
to
37:19
me.
37:19
So,
37:20
yeah,
37:20
I
37:20
think
37:20
knowing
37:21
them
37:21
and
37:21
being
37:21
around
37:22
them
37:22
and
37:22
seeing
37:22
how
37:22
they
37:23
act,
37:23
yes,
37:24
I
37:24
think
37:24
it
37:24
helps.
37:25
Oh,
37:25
okay,
37:26
great.
37:28
So
37:28
I
37:28
want
37:29
to
37:29
delve
37:29
into
37:29
that
37:30
a
37:30
bit
37:30
more
37:30
because
37:30
I
37:31
want
37:31
to
37:31
talk
37:31
about
37:31
character
37:32
development.
37:33
So
37:35
tell
37:36
me,
37:36
Debbie,
37:36
from
37:37
your
37:37
standpoint
37:38
about
37:38
Kid
37:39
Clown,
37:40
and
37:40
tell
37:40
us
37:41
why
37:42
you
37:42
use
37:42
that
37:43
approach
37:43
to
37:43
the
37:43
character
37:44
development.
37:45
And
37:45
did
37:45
you
37:46
and
37:46
Cassie
37:47
come
37:47
up
37:48
with
37:48
the
37:48
look
37:48
of
37:48
Kid
37:49
Klown
37:49
together
37:50
or
37:50
was
37:50
it
37:51
a
37:51
separate
37:51
thing?
37:52
Tell
37:52
us
37:52
about
37:52
that,
37:53
this
37:53
whole
37:53
character
37:54
development.
37:54
Because
37:55
having
37:55
a
37:55
close
37:56
relationship
37:56
with
37:57
your
37:57
illustrator,
37:58
especially
37:58
as
37:59
Cassie
37:59
just
38:00
described,
38:00
she
38:01
knows
38:01
the
38:01
family
38:01
well.
38:02
You
38:02
get
38:03
in
38:03
behind
38:03
the
38:04
curtain,
38:04
Cassidy.
38:05
Sure.
38:05
So
38:05
tell
38:06
us
38:06
about
38:06
that
38:06
whole
38:07
thing
38:07
about
38:07
getting
38:08
behind
38:08
the
38:08
curtain
38:08
and
38:09
this
38:09
whole
38:09
character
38:10
development.
38:11
So
38:12
again,
38:12
initially,
38:13
I
38:14
was
38:14
telling
38:14
the
38:15
story
38:15
as
38:15
if
38:15
it
38:15
was
38:15
a
38:15
clown
38:16
person,
38:16
and
38:16
I
38:17
didn't
38:17
think
38:17
that
38:17
was.
38:17
As
38:18
we
38:18
evolved
38:18
it,
38:18
I
38:19
didn't
38:19
like
38:19
it.
38:19
It's
38:20
like
38:20
some
38:20
kids
38:20
don't
38:21
like
38:21
clowns.
38:21
His
38:22
name
38:22
is
38:22
Kid.
38:23
And
38:24
when
38:24
I
38:25
broadcast
38:25
the.
38:26
When
38:26
she
38:26
agreed,
38:27
I.
38:28
All
38:28
I
38:28
said
38:28
to
38:28
her
38:29
was,
38:29
I'd
38:29
like
38:29
you
38:29
to
38:30
just
38:31
picture
38:32
the
38:32
family.
38:33
Just
38:33
that
38:34
when
38:35
she
38:35
sent
38:35
this
38:35
picture,
38:36
he.
38:36
It
38:37
looks,
38:38
I'm
38:38
not
38:38
even
38:38
kidding,
38:39
like
38:39
both
38:40
of
38:40
our
38:40
grandsons.
38:41
But
38:41
more
38:41
importantly,
38:42
it
38:42
definitely
38:43
carries
38:43
the
38:44
traits.
38:44
The
38:44
bigger
38:45
ears,
38:45
the
38:45
big
38:45
eyes,
38:46
the
38:46
eyebrows.
38:47
She
38:47
just
38:48
nailed
38:48
it.
38:48
It.
38:49
It
38:49
was
38:49
hard
38:49
not
38:50
to
38:50
just
38:50
get
38:50
so
38:51
excited.
38:51
And
38:52
I'm
38:52
going
38:52
to
38:52
show.
38:52
I
38:53
don't
38:53
know
38:53
if
38:53
you
38:53
can
38:53
see
38:53
this,
38:54
Rick,
38:55
but
38:56
there's
38:56
a
38:56
picture
38:56
of
38:57
the
38:57
grandsons
38:57
and
38:57
the
38:57
kid
38:58
right
38:58
in
38:58
here.
38:58
Absolutely.
38:59
Yeah.
39:00
And
39:00
they
39:00
all
39:00
wear
39:00
baseball
39:01
caps,
39:02
so
39:02
she
39:02
just
39:03
absolutely
39:04
nailed
39:04
it.
39:04
And
39:05
then
39:05
again,
39:06
I
39:06
just
39:06
asked
39:06
her
39:07
to
39:07
be
39:07
more
39:07
vibrant
39:08
in
39:08
everything.
39:08
Just
39:09
more
39:09
vibrant.
39:10
And
39:10
then
39:10
a
39:11
little
39:11
bit
39:11
of
39:11
sentimental
39:12
history.
39:12
The
39:14
logo
39:14
on
39:15
kids
39:15
baseball
39:16
cap
39:16
is
39:17
number
39:17
22,
39:18
which
39:19
is
39:19
significant.
39:20
Of
39:20
a
39:20
young
39:20
boy
39:21
that
39:21
was
39:22
our
39:22
third
39:22
oldest,
39:23
Gabe's
39:23
best
39:24
buddy.
39:25
They
39:25
played
39:25
soccer
39:25
together.
39:26
And
39:26
his
39:26
shirt
39:26
number
39:27
and
39:27
his
39:27
number
39:27
was
39:28
number
39:28
22.
39:29
And
39:30
sadly,
39:30
Hunter
39:31
was
39:31
dying
39:31
in
39:31
a
39:32
car
39:32
accident
39:32
16
39:33
years
39:33
ago.
39:34
I
39:34
wanted
39:34
some
39:34
tribute
39:35
that
39:35
would
39:35
really
39:36
hit
39:36
the
39:36
hearts
39:37
of
39:37
those
39:37
that
39:37
knew
39:38
him
39:38
and
39:38
that
39:39
number.
39:39
So
39:39
that's
39:40
what
39:40
is
39:40
on
39:41
kids
39:41
baseball
39:42
cap.
39:42
Okay,
39:44
so
39:44
from
39:44
your
39:45
perspective,
39:45
Cassie,
39:46
would
39:46
you
39:46
like
39:46
to
39:47
add
39:47
something?
39:48
Debbie's
39:49
encouraging
39:49
you
39:50
folks.
39:50
I
39:50
know
39:50
you
39:51
can't.
39:51
If
39:51
you're
39:51
listening,
39:52
you
39:52
can't
39:52
see,
39:53
but
39:54
she's
39:54
nodding
39:55
her
39:55
head
39:55
and
39:56
Debbie,
39:56
come
39:56
on.
39:58
Yeah.
39:58
Usually
39:59
I
39:59
just
39:59
let
39:59
Debbie
40:00
speak
40:01
for
40:01
me,
40:01
but
40:02
when
40:03
she
40:03
told
40:03
me
40:03
the
40:03
title
40:04
of
40:04
the
40:04
book
40:04
and
40:05
I
40:05
saw
40:05
like
40:06
the
40:06
book,
40:06
I
40:07
absolutely
40:08
despise
40:09
clowns.
40:09
I
40:09
have
40:10
a
40:10
huge
40:10
fear
40:10
of
40:10
clowns.
40:11
I
40:11
hate
40:11
them
40:11
so
40:11
much.
40:12
So
40:12
when
40:12
she
40:13
told
40:13
me
40:13
that
40:14
she
40:14
didn't
40:14
want
40:14
it
40:14
to
40:15
really
40:15
look
40:15
like
40:15
a
40:15
clown
40:15
and
40:16
she
40:16
wanted
40:16
to
40:16
look
40:16
more
40:16
like
40:17
her
40:17
boys,
40:17
I
40:17
was
40:17
pumped
40:18
for
40:18
that.
40:19
And
40:19
yeah.
40:20
Yep,
40:20
that's
40:20
all
40:20
I
40:21
have
40:21
to
40:21
add.
40:21
Debbie
40:22
said
40:22
everything.
40:23
Cass.
40:24
And
40:24
how
40:24
did
40:25
you.
40:25
I
40:25
want
40:25
to
40:25
ask
40:26
you,
40:26
how
40:26
did
40:26
you.
40:27
And
40:27
I
40:27
didn't
40:28
show
40:28
you
40:28
any
40:28
of
40:28
those
40:28
pictures.
40:29
How
40:29
did
40:30
you
40:30
come
40:30
up
40:30
with
40:30
that?
40:31
Because
40:31
it's
40:31
spot
40:31
on.
40:32
And
40:32
all
40:32
I
40:32
said
40:32
to
40:33
you
40:33
was
40:33
make
40:33
it
40:33
look
40:33
like
40:34
one
40:34
of
40:34
the
40:34
communities.
40:35
I
40:35
mean,
40:36
honestly,
40:37
I
40:37
just
40:38
took
40:38
whatever
40:39
was
40:39
in
40:39
my
40:39
brain
40:40
and
40:40
I
40:40
made
40:40
their
40:41
ears
40:41
a
40:41
little
40:41
bit
40:41
bigger.
40:42
I
40:42
was
40:42
like,
40:42
that
40:43
has
40:43
to
40:43
work.
40:44
We
40:44
have
40:44
big
40:44
ears.
40:44
We
40:44
have
40:45
big
40:45
mouths.
40:45
She
40:46
gave
40:46
us
40:46
nice
40:46
on
40:47
that
40:47
one.
40:47
I
40:47
kept
40:48
the
40:48
nose
40:48
a
40:48
little
40:48
smaller,
40:49
but
40:49
other
40:49
than
40:49
that,
40:50
it's
40:51
yes,
40:51
you
40:51
guys.
40:53
Debbie,
40:54
jump.
40:54
Jump
40:55
in
40:55
any
40:55
time.
40:55
If
40:56
there's
40:56
questions
40:56
that
40:57
I'm
40:57
missing
40:58
to
40:58
ask
40:58
Cassidy,
40:59
please
40:59
do.
41:01
There
41:02
you
41:02
go,
41:02
Cassidy.
41:02
See?
41:03
Now,
41:03
how
41:03
dare
41:04
you
41:04
give
41:04
her
41:04
permission
41:05
to
41:05
do
41:05
that.
41:05
Now
41:06
we've
41:06
got
41:06
two
41:06
of
41:06
us
41:07
interviewing
41:07
Cassie.
41:09
So
41:10
talk
41:10
to
41:10
us
41:11
about
41:11
the
41:11
theme.
41:12
Debbie,
41:12
give
41:12
us,
41:13
like,
41:14
the
41:14
background.
41:15
How
41:15
did
41:16
you.
41:17
Was
41:17
there
41:17
circumstances
41:18
in
41:18
your
41:18
life
41:19
that
41:21
got
41:21
you
41:21
thinking
41:22
about
41:22
this
41:22
whole
41:23
story
41:24
and
41:24
the
41:24
theme
41:25
development?
41:26
Talk
41:26
to
41:26
us
41:26
about
41:26
that.
41:28
It's
41:28
so
41:28
funny.
41:28
Rick,
41:29
I
41:29
appreciate
41:30
your
41:30
question,
41:30
but
41:30
I
41:30
don't
41:31
know
41:31
how
41:31
to
41:31
answer
41:31
it.
41:31
I
41:31
just
41:32
really
41:32
think
41:33
I'm
41:33
very
41:33
much
41:34
into
41:34
being
41:34
outdoors.
41:36
Boys
41:36
love
41:37
bugs,
41:37
insects.
41:38
They're
41:38
always
41:38
on
41:39
the
41:39
ground
41:39
getting
41:39
dirty.
41:40
It
41:40
just.
41:41
It
41:41
was
41:41
what
41:41
captivated
41:42
in
41:42
the
41:42
moment
41:42
and.
41:43
And
41:43
I
41:43
don't
41:43
even
41:43
know
41:43
where
41:44
the
41:44
kid
41:44
clown
41:45
name
41:45
came
41:45
from.
41:46
I
41:46
really
41:46
don't.
41:46
It
41:47
just
41:47
was
41:48
one
41:48
day
41:48
there
41:48
was
41:48
this
41:49
kid
41:49
and
41:50
blah,
41:50
blah,
41:50
blah.
41:51
And
41:51
he
41:51
let.
41:51
He
41:52
was
41:52
working
41:52
at
41:52
the
41:52
circus
41:53
and
41:53
he
41:53
was
41:54
packing
41:54
up
41:54
because
41:54
circuses
41:55
are
41:55
seasonal.
41:56
But
41:56
also
41:57
we
41:58
traveled
41:58
and
41:58
moved
41:59
a
41:59
lot.
41:59
So
41:59
I
42:00
think
42:00
for
42:00
me
42:01
that
42:02
needing
42:03
to
42:03
learn
42:03
how
42:03
to
42:04
meet
42:04
people
42:04
no
42:05
matter
42:05
where
42:05
you
42:05
are
42:05
or
42:06
who
42:06
they
42:06
are
42:06
or
42:07
how
42:07
they
42:07
are
42:08
is
42:08
really
42:08
important.
42:09
And
42:09
this
42:09
message
42:10
to
42:10
me
42:10
portrays
42:11
that
42:12
in
42:12
the.
42:13
Who
42:13
would
42:14
think
42:14
that
42:14
this
42:15
little
42:15
boy
42:15
would
42:16
now
42:17
befriend
42:18
this
42:18
caterpillar,
42:19
who
42:19
then
42:19
evolves
42:20
into
42:20
something
42:20
yet
42:20
different
42:21
and
42:21
transitions?
42:22
And
42:22
I
42:22
do
42:23
feel
42:23
like
42:24
Cassidy
42:25
and
42:25
my
42:25
relationship
42:26
has
42:26
done
42:27
that.
42:27
I
42:28
have
42:28
always
42:28
been
42:28
the
42:29
mom
42:29
of
42:29
the
42:30
boyfriend.
42:31
Now
42:31
I'm
42:32
different
42:32
relationship
42:33
with
42:33
Cass.
42:34
I
42:34
hope
42:34
Cass
42:35
is
42:35
a
42:35
permanent
42:36
member
42:36
of
42:36
the
42:36
family,
42:37
because
42:37
if
42:37
she's
42:38
not,
42:38
I'm
42:38
getting
42:38
rid
42:39
of
42:39
the
42:39
son.
42:42
But
42:42
I
42:42
think
42:43
our
42:43
relationship
42:44
and
42:44
friendship
42:45
has
42:45
transitioned
42:46
like
42:46
this.
42:47
I
42:47
know
42:47
a
42:47
lot
42:47
about
42:48
Cass
42:48
now.
42:48
I
42:48
know
42:49
more
42:49
and
42:49
more,
42:49
and
42:49
it's
42:50
like
42:50
this
42:50
friendship
42:51
has
42:51
evolved.
42:53
I
42:53
will
42:53
always
42:54
be
42:54
the
42:55
boyfriend's
42:55
mom,
42:56
but
42:56
I
42:56
want
42:56
to
42:56
be
42:56
her
42:57
friend
42:57
and
42:58
her
42:58
author
42:59
illustrator
42:59
relationship.
43:00
So
43:00
there's
43:01
many
43:01
facets
43:01
that
43:01
have
43:02
unfolded
43:03
parallel
43:04
to
43:04
the
43:04
story.
43:05
That's
43:06
fantastic.
43:06
Cassidy,
43:07
do
43:07
you
43:07
feel
43:08
the
43:08
same
43:08
way?
43:09
Oh,
43:10
yeah.
43:10
I
43:10
think
43:10
so.
43:12
So
43:12
if
43:13
you
43:13
get
43:13
rid
43:13
of
43:14
Debbie's
43:14
son,
43:15
the
43:15
relationship
43:16
stipples.
43:19
Oh,
43:20
yeah.
43:20
I
43:20
love
43:21
the.
43:21
I
43:21
love
43:21
their
43:22
family.
43:22
If
43:23
it
43:23
were
43:23
to
43:23
happen,
43:24
if
43:24
we
43:24
were
43:25
to
43:25
break
43:25
up,
43:25
I
43:26
would
43:26
be
43:26
so
43:26
thrilled
43:27
to
43:27
keep
43:27
the
43:27
commenties
43:28
for
43:28
sure.
43:29
See,
43:30
folks,
43:30
you
43:30
get
43:31
the
43:31
whole
43:32
family
43:32
dynamics
43:33
going
43:33
on
43:33
here,
43:34
the
43:34
story
43:35
behind
43:35
the
43:35
story.
43:37
So,
43:38
Debbie,
43:38
I
43:38
want
43:38
to
43:39
talk
43:39
to
43:39
you
43:39
as
43:39
a
43:40
storyteller.
43:41
Tell
43:42
us
43:42
the
43:42
central
43:43
lesson
43:43
or
43:44
teaching
43:44
that
43:44
you're
43:45
trying
43:45
to
43:45
deliver.
43:46
This
43:47
was
43:47
long
43:47
ago,
43:47
but
43:48
it
43:48
almost
43:48
seems
43:49
crazy
43:50
that
43:50
at
43:50
a
43:50
time
43:51
that
43:51
we've
43:51
decided
43:52
to
43:52
take
43:53
it
43:53
to
43:53
the
43:53
next
43:53
level
43:53
and
43:54
get
43:54
it
43:54
done.
43:55
I
43:55
really
43:55
do
43:56
feel
43:56
like
43:56
there's
43:57
so
43:57
much
43:57
diversity.
43:58
There's
43:58
so
43:58
much
43:59
separation
44:00
in
44:00
the
44:00
world
44:00
today,
44:01
politically
44:02
speaking,
44:03
everything
44:03
speaking.
44:04
This
44:04
was
44:04
the
44:04
right
44:05
time
44:05
to
44:05
bring
44:06
out
44:06
a
44:06
story
44:06
about
44:07
two
44:07
different
44:07
people
44:08
that
44:09
came
44:09
together
44:10
and
44:10
became
44:11
friends,
44:11
and
44:12
now
44:12
they
44:12
want
44:13
to
44:13
go
44:13
on
44:13
and
44:14
follow
44:14
the
44:14
sun,
44:14
do
44:15
their
44:15
activities
44:15
when
44:16
they
44:16
can,
44:16
together.
44:17
I
44:17
am
44:17
a
44:18
very
44:18
outgoing,
44:20
almost
44:20
probably
44:20
too
44:21
much,
44:21
very
44:21
much
44:22
a
44:22
relational
44:23
person.
44:23
I
44:24
just
44:24
feel
44:24
like
44:24
that's
44:25
what
44:25
this
44:25
message
44:25
is
44:25
all
44:26
about.
44:26
Don't
44:26
be
44:26
afraid.
44:27
Not
44:28
awkward.
44:28
It
44:28
is
44:29
awkward,
44:29
but
44:29
it's
44:29
not
44:29
wrong
44:30
to
44:30
just
44:30
say
44:30
hello
44:31
to
44:31
someone,
44:31
just
44:32
make
44:32
them
44:33
feel
44:33
something.
44:34
And
44:35
that
44:35
really
44:36
is
44:36
where
44:36
this
44:36
message
44:37
comes
44:37
from.
44:38
The
44:38
irony
44:38
here
44:39
is
44:39
Cast
44:40
is
44:40
a
44:40
little
44:40
more
44:40
reserved
44:41
and
44:41
quiet,
44:42
and
44:42
I
44:42
am.
44:43
And
44:44
so
44:45
I
44:45
think
44:45
we've
44:45
tempered.
44:46
She's
44:46
taught
44:46
me
44:47
where
44:47
to
44:47
maybe
44:48
lower
44:48
it,
44:49
and
44:49
I've
44:49
hopefully
44:50
taught
44:50
her
44:50
to
44:50
elevate
44:51
it.
44:51
And
44:51
I
44:51
think
44:51
that's
44:52
what
44:52
friends
44:52
do.
44:53
And
44:53
I
44:53
want
44:53
people.
44:54
Cassidy.
44:55
So
44:55
when
44:55
you
44:56
were
44:56
talking
44:56
to
44:56
Debbie,
44:57
did
44:57
you
44:57
guys
44:58
consciously
44:59
discuss
44:59
the
45:00
central
45:01
lesson
45:02
behind
45:02
the
45:03
book?
45:04
I
45:05
think
45:05
we
45:05
talked
45:05
about
45:06
everything
45:07
here
45:08
and
45:08
there.
45:08
It
45:08
wasn't
45:08
like
45:09
a.
45:09
We
45:09
sat
45:09
down
45:09
and
45:10
we
45:10
talked
45:10
about
45:11
this
45:11
is
45:12
what
45:12
this
45:12
is,
45:13
and
45:13
this
45:13
is
45:13
exactly
45:13
how
45:14
it's
45:14
going
45:14
to
45:14
go.
45:14
We
45:14
just
45:15
kept
45:15
talking
45:15
through
45:16
it
45:16
and
45:16
I
45:17
would
45:17
send
45:17
her
45:17
pages
45:17
and
45:18
she'd
45:18
give
45:18
me
45:18
feedback
45:18
and
45:19
then
45:19
we
45:19
would
45:19
just
45:19
repeat
45:20
that
45:20
process.
45:20
So
45:21
it
45:21
was
45:21
just.
45:21
We
45:21
were
45:22
working
45:22
together
45:22
on
45:23
it.
45:23
It
45:23
wasn't
45:23
like
45:24
a,
45:24
she's
45:24
my
45:24
boss
45:25
and
45:25
I'm
45:25
her
45:26
little
45:26
minion,
45:26
as
45:27
you
45:27
would
45:27
say.
45:28
You
45:29
could
45:29
see,
45:29
I
45:29
have
45:30
grandchildren
45:31
and
45:31
we
45:31
go
45:31
to
45:31
those
45:32
movies,
45:32
so.
45:33
Oh,
45:33
love
45:34
those
45:34
movies.
45:34
Yes.
45:36
Yeah.
45:37
No,
45:37
I
45:37
think
45:37
our
45:37
dynamic's
45:38
really
45:38
good.
45:38
Excellent.
45:39
One
45:39
of
45:39
the
45:40
things
45:40
I
45:40
stressed
45:41
to
45:41
cast
45:42
from
45:42
Jump
45:43
is
45:43
this
45:44
is
45:44
not
45:44
my
45:45
project,
45:45
this
45:45
is
45:45
our
45:46
project.
45:46
And
45:47
so
45:48
every
45:48
time
45:48
someone
45:48
like
45:49
yourself
45:49
reached
45:49
out,
45:49
which
45:50
I
45:50
was
45:50
again,
45:51
thank
45:51
you.
45:51
I
45:52
made
45:52
sure
45:52
she
45:52
was
45:53
immediately
45:54
a
45:54
part
45:54
of
45:54
it
45:54
and
45:55
had
45:55
a
45:55
say
45:55
in
45:55
it.
45:55
And
45:56
I
45:56
really
45:56
want
45:57
that
45:57
for
45:57
her
45:58
because
45:58
her
45:58
say
45:59
is
45:59
very
45:59
valuable.
46:00
We're
46:01
ages
46:02
apart,
46:02
but
46:02
I
46:03
have
46:03
some
46:03
things
46:03
different
46:04
than
46:04
hers.
46:04
But
46:04
when
46:04
we
46:05
connect
46:05
and
46:05
to
46:06
make
46:06
it
46:06
work,
46:07
that's
46:07
magical
46:07
to
46:08
me.
46:08
Fantastic.
46:09
Cassie,
46:10
with
46:11
your
46:11
background
46:12
in
46:12
education,
46:14
can
46:14
you
46:15
explain,
46:16
are
46:16
you
46:16
using
46:17
your
46:18
illustrating
46:19
capabilities
46:20
in
46:21
your
46:21
teaching
46:22
or
46:23
your
46:23
teaching
46:23
techniques?
46:24
Tell
46:25
us
46:25
about
46:25
that.
46:26
Yeah,
46:26
any
46:27
chance
46:27
I
46:27
can
46:27
get,
46:27
I
46:27
will
46:28
draw
46:28
something
46:28
for
46:28
them.
46:29
And
46:29
my
46:29
students
46:29
love
46:30
it.
46:30
Once
46:30
they
46:30
find
46:30
out
46:30
I
46:31
can
46:31
draw,
46:31
they
46:31
ask
46:31
me
46:31
to
46:32
draw
46:32
everything
46:32
and
46:32
anything.
46:33
And.
46:33
And
46:33
there's
46:34
different
46:34
types
46:34
of
46:35
learners,
46:35
like
46:35
visual
46:36
learners,
46:36
which
46:36
is
46:36
what
46:36
I
46:37
was
46:37
as
46:37
a
46:37
kid.
46:38
So
46:38
anytime
46:38
I
46:38
can
46:38
take
46:39
a
46:39
vocabulary
46:39
word
46:39
and
46:40
just
46:40
draw
46:40
a
46:40
little
46:40
picture
46:41
form
46:41
and
46:41
then
46:41
they
46:41
just
46:42
copy
46:42
it
46:42
down
46:42
in
46:42
their
46:42
book,
46:43
that's
46:43
what
46:43
I
46:43
do.
46:44
So
46:44
any
46:45
chance
46:45
I
46:45
can
46:46
get
46:46
to
46:46
draw
46:46
something
46:47
that
46:47
will
46:47
help
46:47
their
46:48
brain
46:48
understand
46:49
what's
46:49
happening,
46:49
I
46:50
will.
46:52
Did
46:52
you,
46:54
Debbie,
46:54
draw
46:55
on
46:55
Cassidy's
46:56
background
46:57
as
46:57
an
46:57
educator?
46:59
I
47:00
probably
47:00
did.
47:00
Subconsciously,
47:01
I
47:01
would
47:02
say
47:02
a
47:02
sentence.
47:03
We
47:03
changed
47:04
obviously
47:04
many
47:05
sentences
47:06
from
47:06
the
47:07
original,
47:07
but
47:07
I
47:08
would
47:08
say,
47:08
is
47:09
this
47:09
the
47:09
proper
47:09
language?
47:10
Would
47:10
you
47:11
follow
47:11
it
47:11
this
47:11
way?
47:12
And
47:13
because
47:13
she
47:14
teaches
47:14
children
47:15
her
47:17
projection
47:17
of
47:17
a
47:17
word
47:18
or
47:18
words,
47:19
actually,
47:20
I
47:20
trust
47:20
it
47:21
very
47:21
much
47:21
because
47:21
she's
47:22
working
47:22
with
47:22
younger
47:23
kids
47:23
all
47:23
the
47:23
time.
47:24
How
47:24
old
47:24
are
47:24
your
47:24
grandchildren
47:25
again,
47:26
Debbie?
47:26
I
47:27
have
47:27
two
47:27
five
47:27
year
47:27
olds,
47:28
a
47:29
three
47:29
year
47:29
old
47:29
and
47:29
a
47:30
five
47:30
month
47:30
old.
47:31
Okay.
47:31
So
47:31
I'm
47:32
going
47:32
to
47:32
give
47:32
you
47:32
a
47:32
little
47:32
editing
47:34
nugget.
47:35
You
47:36
ready?
47:37
Yes.
47:38
So
47:38
what,
47:39
luckily
47:39
for
47:40
me
47:40
having
47:41
my
47:41
grandchildren
47:42
is
47:42
they
47:42
ended
47:43
up
47:43
being
47:43
my
47:44
editor
47:44
in
47:44
a
47:45
lot
47:45
of
47:45
ways.
47:45
Because
47:45
we've
47:46
written
47:46
38
47:46
stories.
47:48
I've
47:49
got
47:49
them
47:49
to
47:49
actually
47:50
read
47:50
the
47:50
stories
47:50
out
47:51
loud.
47:52
And
47:52
a
47:53
lot
47:53
of
47:53
times
47:53
they'll
47:53
say,
47:54
I
47:55
don't
47:55
think
47:56
that's
47:56
appropriate.
47:57
They
47:57
don't
47:57
say
47:58
appropriate.
47:58
That's
47:59
the
47:59
right
47:59
word
48:00
for
48:00
the
48:00
story.
48:01
So
48:02
while
48:02
you've
48:03
got
48:03
that
48:04
captive
48:04
audience,
48:06
get
48:06
them
48:06
to
48:06
be
48:06
your
48:06
editor
48:07
once
48:07
in
48:07
a
48:07
while.
48:08
No,
48:09
that's
48:09
very
48:09
valuable.
48:10
My
48:10
granddaughter,
48:11
who's
48:11
5,
48:11
I
48:11
did
48:12
have
48:12
the
48:12
pleasure
48:12
of
48:12
sitting
48:13
down
48:13
and
48:13
I
48:14
interviewed
48:15
them.
48:16
So
48:16
I
48:16
wanted
48:16
to
48:16
see
48:16
their
48:17
perception
48:17
of
48:17
the
48:17
story.
48:18
Oh,
48:18
cool.
48:19
And
48:19
I
48:19
was
48:19
impressed.
48:20
I
48:20
asked
48:20
them
48:21
what
48:21
their
48:21
favorite
48:21
part
48:21
was.
48:22
They
48:22
love
48:23
the
48:23
bark
48:23
turning
48:24
into
48:24
a
48:24
butterfly.
48:25
Excuse
48:25
me.
48:26
But
48:26
she
48:27
was
48:27
very
48:27
clear.
48:27
I
48:28
said,
48:28
so
48:28
do
48:28
you
48:28
remember
48:28
what
48:29
happened?
48:29
And
48:29
she
48:29
said.
48:30
And
48:30
she
48:31
used
48:31
the
48:31
three
48:32
words.
48:33
She
48:33
goes,
48:34
the
48:34
caterpillar
48:35
fell
48:35
down,
48:36
down.
48:36
And
48:36
that
48:37
is
48:37
what
48:37
is
48:37
in
48:37
that
48:38
book.
48:38
And
48:38
I'm
48:38
like,
48:39
that's
48:39
something
48:39
you
48:40
remember.
48:41
I
48:41
said,
48:41
where
48:41
did
48:42
they
48:42
go?
48:42
Or
48:42
where
48:43
did
48:43
he
48:43
fall?
48:44
And
48:44
she
48:44
knew
48:44
where.
48:45
And
48:45
then
48:46
where
48:46
did
48:46
he.
48:46
So
48:47
to
48:47
me,
48:48
that
48:48
was
48:48
a
48:49
validation
48:49
that
48:49
she
48:50
understood,
48:50
or
48:51
her
48:51
retention
48:51
of
48:52
certain
48:52
parts
48:52
of
48:52
it
48:52
was
48:52
very
48:53
high.
48:54
Nice,
48:54
Nice.
48:55
So
48:55
let's
48:56
talk
48:56
about
48:56
the
48:56
writing
48:57
process
48:57
for
48:57
a
48:58
second.
48:58
I'd
48:58
like
48:58
you
48:59
to
48:59
share
48:59
with
48:59
others
49:00
your
49:00
insights
49:00
into
49:01
the
49:01
development
49:01
and
49:02
your
49:02
writing
49:02
process
49:03
behind
49:03
the
49:04
book.
49:04
So
49:04
now
49:04
that
49:05
you've
49:05
written,
49:05
you've
49:06
got
49:06
one
49:06
published,
49:07
you've
49:07
written
49:07
two
49:07
others.
49:08
Talk
49:08
to
49:09
us
49:09
about
49:09
that
49:09
whole
49:10
writing
49:11
development
49:12
and
49:12
your
49:12
process.
49:14
I
49:15
don't
49:15
know.
49:15
Again,
49:15
I'm
49:16
all
49:16
about.
49:16
I
49:16
don't
49:16
know
49:16
what
49:17
the
49:17
rhyming
49:17
thing
49:17
is,
49:17
but
49:18
I
49:18
like
49:18
rhyming
49:19
it.
49:19
The
49:19
cadence
49:20
of
49:20
it
49:20
just
49:20
seems
49:20
more
49:20
whimsical,
49:21
if
49:21
you
49:21
will.
49:22
So
49:23
it's
49:23
not
49:23
something
49:24
I
49:24
sit
49:24
down
49:24
and
49:25
just.
49:26
Although
49:26
I
49:26
will
49:26
say,
49:27
one
49:27
of
49:27
the
49:27
second
49:27
stories
49:28
I
49:28
wrote,
49:28
I
49:28
was
49:28
with
49:29
a
49:29
dear
49:29
friend
49:30
sitting
49:30
with
49:30
her
49:31
in
49:31
the
49:31
hospital
49:32
for
49:32
treatment,
49:33
and
49:33
I
49:33
wrote
49:33
the
49:33
whole
49:34
book.
49:34
And
49:35
in
49:35
that
49:35
case,
49:35
I
49:36
sat
49:36
still
49:36
and
49:37
just
49:37
did
49:37
it.
49:37
A
49:38
lot
49:38
of
49:38
times
49:38
I'll
49:39
think
49:39
about
49:39
it,
49:39
I'll
49:40
write
49:40
something
49:40
down,
49:41
and
49:41
then
49:41
I
49:42
gotta
49:42
go
49:42
back
49:42
and
49:42
change
49:42
it
49:42
again
49:43
and
49:43
again.
49:43
So
49:43
the
49:43
process
49:45
is
49:45
more
49:46
whatever
49:46
pops
49:46
in
49:46
my
49:47
head
49:47
along
49:47
whatever
49:48
the
49:48
storyline
49:48
is.
49:49
And
49:49
then
49:49
I
49:49
go
49:49
in
49:49
and
49:50
I
49:50
put
49:50
it
49:50
in
49:50
there.
49:51
But
49:51
then
49:51
I
49:51
have
49:51
to
49:52
read
49:52
it
49:52
to
49:52
make
49:52
sure
49:53
the
49:53
cadence
49:53
sounds
49:53
right.
49:54
And
49:54
then
49:54
I
49:54
find
49:55
the
49:55
words
49:55
that
49:55
work.
49:56
And
49:57
then
49:57
I
49:57
call
49:57
on
49:57
Cass
49:58
and
49:58
say,
49:58
what
49:58
do
49:58
you
49:58
think,
49:58
Cass?
49:59
In
50:00
the
50:00
second
50:00
book,
50:00
I
50:01
remember
50:01
saying
50:01
to
50:02
her,
50:02
I
50:02
don't
50:02
know
50:02
what
50:02
word
50:03
this
50:03
is.
50:03
And
50:03
she
50:03
gave
50:04
me
50:04
this
50:04
perfect
50:05
word.
50:05
I'm
50:05
like,
50:05
oh,
50:06
my
50:06
gosh,
50:06
that
50:06
was
50:07
great.
50:08
And
50:08
then
50:08
you
50:08
write.
50:08
You
50:08
go
50:09
off
50:09
of
50:09
that.
50:09
So
50:10
I'm
50:10
more
50:10
of
50:11
a.
50:12
What's
50:12
the
50:12
word?
50:13
I'm
50:13
leaning
50:13
for
50:13
it.
50:13
I'm
50:14
not
50:14
well
50:14
thought
50:14
out.
50:15
I'm
50:15
more
50:15
like
50:16
this
50:16
spontaneous.
50:17
Yeah,
50:18
that's
50:18
probably
50:18
true.
50:19
Okay.
50:20
Forecast,
50:21
more
50:22
of
50:22
a
50:22
thinker
50:22
and
50:22
more
50:23
process.
50:24
I'm
50:24
more,
50:25
like,
50:25
organized.
50:26
So
50:26
has
50:26
Debbie
50:27
got
50:27
this
50:27
capacity?
50:30
Sorry,
50:31
Sorry.
50:31
Has
50:32
Debbie
50:32
got
50:32
what
50:32
she
50:33
just
50:33
said?
50:33
Yeah,
50:33
absolutely.
50:34
I
50:34
think
50:34
Debbie's
50:35
a
50:35
go
50:35
with
50:36
the
50:36
flow.
50:36
If
50:36
it
50:36
comes
50:37
to
50:37
me,
50:37
I'm
50:37
writing
50:37
it
50:37
down,
50:37
or
50:38
I
50:38
know
50:38
it'll
50:38
come
50:38
to
50:39
me,
50:39
like,
50:40
thoughts
50:40
running
50:41
in
50:41
and
50:41
out
50:41
of
50:41
her
50:41
brain.
50:43
And
50:43
so,
50:43
Debbie,
50:44
when
50:44
you
50:44
wrote,
50:45
we'll
50:45
go
50:45
to
50:45
your
50:46
first
50:46
book,
50:46
but
50:46
also
50:46
talk
50:47
about
50:47
the
50:47
two
50:47
other
50:48
books
50:48
that
50:48
you've
50:48
written,
50:50
did
50:50
you
50:50
just
50:51
draw
50:51
on
50:51
your
50:51
own
50:51
personal
50:52
experience,
50:52
or
50:53
did
50:53
you
50:53
conduct
50:54
any
50:55
additional
50:55
research
50:56
behind
50:56
the
50:57
books?
50:57
And
50:57
if
50:57
you
50:57
did,
50:58
why
50:58
did
50:58
you
50:58
do
50:58
that?
51:00
So
51:00
the
51:00
second
51:01
one
51:01
is
51:02
Kid
51:02
and
51:02
his
51:03
family,
51:03
which
51:03
are
51:03
his
51:04
three
51:04
brothers
51:05
there
51:05
and
51:06
the
51:06
family.
51:06
Now
51:06
we
51:07
bring
51:07
in
51:07
the
51:07
family
51:07
dynamics.
51:08
They're
51:08
going
51:08
on
51:09
an
51:09
adventure.
51:09
They
51:10
had
51:10
to
51:10
pick
51:10
where
51:10
it
51:11
was.
51:11
It
51:11
was
51:11
the
51:11
zoo.
51:12
I
51:12
don't
51:12
want
51:12
to
51:12
give
51:12
too
51:12
much
51:13
away,
51:13
but
51:13
I
51:13
used
51:14
to
51:14
train
51:14
wild
51:14
animals,
51:16
so
51:16
I
51:17
had
51:17
fun
51:18
thinking
51:18
about
51:20
it.
51:20
Yeah,
51:21
no,
51:21
that's
51:21
really
51:22
what
51:22
I
51:22
did.
51:23
And
51:23
I
51:24
did
51:24
train
51:24
wild
51:24
animals
51:25
at
51:25
a
51:25
park.
51:26
And
51:26
so
51:26
I
51:26
brought
51:27
the
51:28
theme
51:28
of
51:28
that
51:28
into
51:29
this,
51:29
the
51:30
next
51:30
story.
51:31
And
51:31
then
51:31
the
51:31
third
51:32
one
51:32
is
51:32
another
51:32
adventure
51:33
they
51:33
take.
51:33
I've
51:34
never
51:35
physically
51:35
done
51:35
what
51:36
I
51:36
wrote
51:36
about,
51:36
but
51:37
with
51:38
Cass's
51:38
help,
51:38
we
51:39
created
51:39
it.
51:40
Cassidy,
51:41
when
51:41
Debbie
51:42
was
51:43
talking
51:43
to
51:43
you
51:43
about
51:44
all
51:44
this,
51:45
tell
51:45
us
51:45
about
51:46
that.
51:46
Have
51:46
you
51:46
already
51:47
started
51:47
visualizing
51:48
the
51:48
second
51:48
and
51:49
third
51:49
book?
51:50
As
51:51
soon
51:51
as
51:51
she
51:51
sent
51:51
it
51:51
to
51:52
me,
51:52
I
51:52
started
51:52
visualizing
51:53
it,
51:53
and
51:53
then
51:54
I
51:54
started
51:55
to
51:55
work
51:55
on
51:56
the
51:56
second
51:56
book.
51:57
But
51:57
then
51:57
I
51:57
was
51:58
like,
51:58
maybe
51:58
I'm
51:58
getting
51:58
too
51:59
ahead
51:59
of
51:59
myself.
51:59
Let
52:00
me
52:00
calm
52:00
down.
52:01
And
52:02
then
52:02
I
52:02
started
52:02
getting
52:02
all
52:03
this
52:03
other
52:03
work,
52:03
and
52:03
I
52:03
was
52:03
like,
52:04
okay,
52:04
let
52:04
me
52:04
just
52:04
put
52:04
that
52:05
back.
52:05
But
52:05
I
52:06
do
52:06
have,
52:06
like,
52:07
somewhat
52:07
of
52:08
a
52:08
layout
52:08
for
52:08
the
52:08
second
52:09
book
52:09
down.
52:10
Okay,
52:10
fantastic.
52:12
Debbie,
52:12
we
52:12
talked
52:13
before
52:13
Cassidy
52:14
joined
52:14
us,
52:14
and
52:15
I'm
52:15
curious
52:16
we
52:17
about
52:18
success
52:18
measurement.
52:19
So
52:19
I
52:19
know
52:20
we
52:20
talked
52:20
a
52:20
bit
52:21
about
52:21
having
52:21
a
52:22
book
52:22
business
52:22
plan,
52:23
but
52:23
let's
52:24
delve
52:24
a
52:24
little
52:25
deeper
52:25
into
52:26
the
52:27
original
52:27
goal
52:28
or
52:28
goals
52:29
regarding
52:29
your
52:30
book
52:30
launch
52:31
and
52:31
your
52:31
expectations
52:32
for
52:32
the
52:33
book.
52:33
Tell
52:33
us
52:33
about
52:34
that.
52:35
I
52:35
think
52:35
I'm
52:36
more
52:36
timid
52:37
on
52:37
what
52:37
my
52:38
expectations
52:38
are.
52:39
I
52:39
think
52:39
it's
52:39
because
52:40
I
52:40
don't
52:40
think
52:40
I've
52:41
failed,
52:41
but
52:41
I
52:41
don't
52:41
think
52:42
I've
52:43
achieved
52:44
until
52:45
now.
52:45
So
52:46
for
52:47
me,
52:47
the
52:47
success
52:49
is
52:49
the
52:50
fact
52:50
that
52:50
we
52:50
got
52:50
here,
52:51
the
52:51
fact
52:51
that
52:51
it's
52:52
out
52:52
there
52:53
and
52:53
that
52:53
Cass
52:54
is
52:54
reaping
52:55
more
52:55
benefits
52:57
than
52:57
just
52:57
this
52:57
book.
52:58
That,
52:59
wow.
52:59
Every
53:00
she'll
53:00
send
53:01
a
53:01
message.
53:01
I
53:01
just
53:01
got
53:01
assigned
53:02
another
53:02
project.
53:02
I'm
53:03
like,
53:03
dang.
53:03
I
53:04
told
53:04
her
53:04
today
53:04
that
53:04
I'll
53:05
be
53:05
borrowing
53:05
money
53:05
from
53:06
her
53:06
now.
53:06
You
53:07
know
53:07
what
53:07
you
53:07
should
53:07
have
53:07
done?
53:07
You
53:08
should
53:08
have
53:08
said
53:09
to
53:09
Cassidy,
53:10
remember,
53:11
I'm
53:11
your
53:12
manager.
53:13
Okay?
53:13
He
53:14
has
53:14
said
53:14
that
53:14
before
53:15
for
53:15
don't
53:15
worry.
53:15
Oh,
53:16
okay.
53:16
So
53:17
I
53:17
think
53:17
the
53:18
going
53:18
rate
53:18
now
53:19
is
53:19
50%.
53:21
No
53:22
signed
53:22
contract
53:22
over
53:23
here.
53:24
Let
53:25
me
53:25
tell
53:25
you
53:25
something.
53:26
Her
53:26
payment
53:26
is
53:27
the
53:27
fact
53:27
that
53:27
she
53:28
still
53:28
loves
53:28
my
53:28
son.
53:29
Because
53:30
having
53:30
a
53:30
Kamenti
53:31
man
53:31
in
53:31
your
53:31
life
53:31
is
53:32
quite
53:32
the
53:32
challenge.
53:33
So
53:33
we're
53:33
even.
53:34
Oh,
53:35
there
53:35
we
53:35
go.
53:35
Okay,
53:36
I
53:37
want
53:37
to
53:37
delve
53:37
a
53:37
little
53:38
deeper.
53:38
So
53:38
I
53:38
know.
53:39
You
53:39
said
53:39
it.
53:39
It's
53:40
great
53:40
to
53:40
have
53:40
it
53:40
out
53:41
there.
53:41
Cassidy,
53:41
if
53:41
you
53:42
want
53:42
to
53:42
chime
53:43
in
53:43
on
53:43
this
53:43
too,
53:43
but.
53:44
Because
53:44
how
53:44
do
53:44
you
53:45
visualize
53:46
the
53:46
success
53:46
of
53:46
the
53:47
book?
53:49
This
53:49
is
53:49
my
53:49
first
53:50
book
53:50
ever
53:50
doing.
53:51
So
53:51
I
53:51
think
53:51
it's
53:52
been
53:52
very
53:52
successful
53:53
with
53:53
what
53:53
Debbie's
53:53
told
53:54
me
53:54
about
53:54
people
53:54
reaching
53:54
out
53:55
and
53:55
wanting
53:55
to
53:55
get
53:55
her
53:55
book
53:56
in,
53:56
and
53:57
she
53:57
was
53:57
super
53:58
concerned
53:58
about
53:58
it
53:58
not
53:59
doing
53:59
so
53:59
well.
53:59
But
54:00
I
54:00
was
54:00
just
54:00
like,
54:00
you've
54:01
put
54:01
all
54:01
your
54:02
marbles
54:02
into
54:02
this.
54:03
And,
54:03
like,
54:03
you've
54:03
really
54:04
dove
54:04
into
54:04
it
54:05
this
54:05
time.
54:05
Third
54:05
time.
54:06
Yes.
54:06
But
54:06
you've
54:07
put
54:07
in
54:07
so
54:08
much
54:08
work
54:08
and
54:08
effort
54:09
into
54:09
this.
54:09
More
54:09
than,
54:09
like,
54:10
the
54:10
last
54:10
time.
54:10
I
54:10
feel.
54:11
And
54:11
I.
54:12
People
54:12
love
54:12
Debbie.
54:13
Everybody
54:13
loves
54:14
Debbie.
54:14
And,
54:15
like,
54:15
her
54:15
marketing,
54:16
the
54:16
way
54:16
she
54:16
talks
54:16
to
54:16
people.
54:17
I
54:17
knew
54:17
it
54:17
was
54:17
going
54:17
to
54:18
get
54:18
around
54:18
to
54:19
people
54:19
insanely
54:20
fast.
54:21
So
54:21
I
54:21
think
54:22
it's
54:22
been
54:22
a
54:22
success.
54:23
How
54:23
did
54:24
you
54:24
visualize
54:25
it
54:25
for
54:25
it
54:26
came
54:26
to
54:26
market?
54:27
What
54:27
did
54:27
you
54:27
have
54:28
in
54:28
mind?
54:30
I
54:30
don't
54:30
know.
54:31
I
54:31
was
54:31
hoping
54:32
my
54:32
fingers
54:33
were
54:33
crossed
54:34
that
54:35
it
54:35
was
54:35
going
54:35
to
54:35
do
54:35
well.
54:36
Did
54:36
you
54:37
see
54:37
the.
54:37
The
54:37
work
54:38
that
54:38
Debbie's
54:38
describing
54:39
coming
54:40
at
54:40
you
54:40
the
54:40
way
54:41
it
54:41
has?
54:42
Yeah.
54:43
Oh,
54:43
okay.
54:44
That's
54:44
you.
54:45
Wait,
54:45
let
54:45
me
54:46
back
54:46
that
54:46
up.
54:46
Are
54:46
you
54:47
asking
54:47
her
54:47
if
54:47
she
54:48
thought
54:48
she'd
54:48
get
54:48
this
54:49
much
54:49
work
54:50
out
54:50
of
54:50
it
54:50
from
54:50
that?
54:51
Yes.
54:52
Oh,
54:53
no.
54:54
Sorry.
54:54
Okay.
54:57
Okay.
54:57
I
54:57
lost
54:58
his
54:58
ass.
54:59
Okay.
54:59
Yes.
55:01
I
55:02
was
55:02
thinking,
55:02
oh,
55:03
my
55:03
God,
55:04
again.
55:05
Here's
55:05
those
55:05
damn
55:06
illustrators
55:07
taking
55:07
advantage
55:08
of
55:08
a
55:08
children's
55:09
book
55:09
author.
55:11
No,
55:12
Absolutely
55:13
not.
55:13
I
55:13
thought
55:14
it
55:14
would
55:14
just
55:14
be
55:14
this.
55:15
So
55:15
sorry.
55:17
Debbie,
55:18
tell
55:18
me
55:19
now
55:20
that
55:20
you're
55:20
a
55:21
published
55:21
children's
55:21
book
55:22
author
55:23
and
55:23
you
55:23
have
55:24
two
55:24
other
55:24
books
55:25
that
55:25
you've
55:25
written
55:27
in
55:27
the
55:28
grand
55:28
scheme
55:28
of
55:28
things
55:29
now
55:29
in
55:29
your
55:29
life,
55:30
it
55:30
sounds
55:31
to
55:31
me
55:31
you
55:31
got
55:31
a
55:31
full
55:32
life.
55:32
You've
55:32
got
55:32
four
55:33
amazing
55:34
boys.
55:34
You've
55:35
got
55:35
three
55:36
grandchildren.
55:38
Four.
55:38
Four
55:39
grandchildren
55:40
and
55:40
growing.
55:41
Tell
55:41
us,
55:42
in
55:42
the
55:42
grand
55:42
scheme
55:42
of
55:43
things,
55:43
how
55:43
do
55:43
you
55:43
see
55:43
the
55:44
role
55:44
of
55:45
being
55:45
A
55:45
children's
55:45
book
55:46
author
55:46
in
55:46
your
55:47
life.
55:48
I'm
55:48
still
55:48
a
55:48
little
55:48
modest
55:49
about
55:49
it,
55:49
honestly,
55:50
but
55:51
I
55:51
just
55:51
am
55:51
very
55:52
excited.
55:52
At
55:52
the
55:52
same
55:53
time,
55:53
I've
55:54
had
55:54
a
55:54
lot
55:54
of
55:54
people
55:54
come
55:54
out
55:54
and
55:55
go,
55:55
oh,
55:55
my
55:55
God,
55:55
you've
55:55
never
55:56
said
55:56
you've
55:56
written
55:56
a
55:56
book
55:57
before.
55:57
I'm
55:57
not
55:57
one
55:57
to
55:58
stand
55:58
around
55:58
and
55:59
boast
55:59
about
55:59
it,
56:00
truthfully.
56:01
But
56:01
now
56:02
it's
56:02
getting
56:02
some
56:03
momentum,
56:03
and
56:04
it
56:04
does
56:04
give
56:04
me
56:04
a
56:04
little
56:04
bit
56:05
of
56:05
a
56:05
rush
56:05
if
56:05
this
56:06
will
56:06
continue
56:06
to
56:06
do
56:07
well
56:07
in
56:08
my
56:08
season
56:09
and
56:09
Cass
56:10
season
56:10
and
56:10
any
56:10
the
56:11
grandkids.
56:11
I'm
56:12
very
56:12
excited
56:12
and
56:13
hopeful
56:13
that
56:13
we
56:14
continue
56:14
to
56:15
launch
56:15
and
56:15
do
56:15
well.
56:16
Okay,
56:17
great.
56:17
And,
56:18
Cassidy,
56:19
with
56:19
your
56:19
educational
56:21
background
56:22
and
56:23
your
56:23
profession,
56:25
how
56:25
do
56:25
you
56:25
see,
56:26
like,
56:27
now
56:27
that
56:27
you've
56:27
got
56:27
people
56:28
coming
56:28
to
56:28
you,
56:29
how
56:30
do
56:30
you
56:30
see.
56:32
And
56:32
now
56:33
that
56:33
Debbie.
56:33
And
56:33
so
56:34
really,
56:34
you've
56:35
got
56:35
this
56:36
intimate
56:37
relationship
56:38
with
56:38
the
56:38
children's
56:38
book
56:39
author,
56:39
which
56:40
goes
56:40
deeper
56:41
than
56:41
most
56:42
children's
56:42
book
56:42
authors
56:43
don't
56:43
have
56:43
this
56:44
intimacy
56:45
that
56:45
you
56:45
guys
56:46
have
56:46
when
56:47
a
56:47
new
56:47
children's
56:48
book
56:48
author
56:49
comes
56:49
to
56:49
you.
56:50
What
56:51
lesson
56:51
do
56:51
you
56:51
think
56:51
you've
56:52
gathered
56:53
from
56:53
this
56:53
whole
56:54
relationship
56:54
with
56:54
Debbie
56:55
that
56:55
you
56:56
can
56:56
bring
56:56
to
56:56
the
56:56
party?
56:57
If
56:57
I
56:57
came
56:57
to
56:58
you
56:58
and
56:58
said,
56:58
you
56:58
know
56:58
what?
56:58
I'm
56:58
looking
56:59
for
56:59
a
56:59
children's
57:00
book
57:01
illustrator,
57:02
how
57:02
can
57:02
you
57:03
help
57:03
me?
57:04
How
57:04
do
57:04
you
57:04
approach
57:04
that,
57:05
knowing
57:05
what
57:06
you
57:06
know
57:06
now?
57:07
I
57:08
actually
57:08
just
57:08
had
57:08
that
57:09
happen
57:09
to
57:09
me
57:10
today,
57:11
so.
57:11
Awesome.
57:12
I
57:13
approach
57:13
it,
57:14
I
57:14
think,
57:14
with
57:14
a
57:14
lot
57:15
more
57:15
confidence
57:15
than
57:16
I
57:16
had
57:16
before
57:17
because
57:17
of
57:17
Debbie.
57:18
Like,
57:18
when
57:19
asked,
57:19
this
57:19
is
57:19
what
57:19
it's
57:19
going
57:20
to
57:20
be.
57:20
What
57:20
can
57:20
you
57:20
do
57:21
for
57:21
me?
57:21
Like,
57:21
how
57:21
can
57:22
you
57:22
help
57:22
me?
57:22
I
57:22
was
57:22
just
57:23
like,
57:23
here
57:24
you
57:24
go.
57:24
This
57:24
is
57:25
what
57:25
I
57:25
got
57:25
for
57:25
you.
57:25
And
57:26
I
57:26
would
57:26
have
57:27
never
57:27
been
57:27
able
57:28
to
57:28
do
57:28
that
57:28
before.
57:30
So
57:30
I
57:30
think
57:30
the
57:30
confidence
57:31
I
57:31
got
57:32
alone
57:33
is
57:33
the
57:33
most
57:33
helpful
57:34
tool
57:34
that
57:34
I
57:35
could
57:35
bring
57:35
from
57:36
this
57:36
experience.
57:37
Good
57:37
for
57:37
you.
57:37
Fantastic.
57:38
Yeah.
57:39
Let's
57:39
talk
57:40
about
57:40
this,
57:41
Debbie,
57:41
from
57:41
the
57:41
writing
57:42
standpoint,
57:42
and
57:42
then
57:43
we'll
57:43
come
57:43
back
57:43
to
57:43
you.
57:43
Cassie.
57:44
So
57:44
how
57:45
does
57:45
the
57:45
writing.
57:47
How
57:47
does
57:47
writing
57:48
fit
57:48
into
57:48
your
57:48
daily
57:49
life?
57:49
Now?
57:50
For
57:51
me,
57:51
yes.
57:52
That's
57:52
not
57:53
writing
57:53
a
57:53
book.
57:53
I'm
57:53
always,
57:54
like
57:54
I
57:54
said,
57:54
writing.
57:54
My
57:55
kids
57:55
tease
57:55
me
57:55
when
57:56
I
57:56
send
57:56
them
57:56
something,
57:56
and
57:57
it's
57:57
a
57:57
poem.
57:57
I'm
57:58
like,
57:58
oh,
57:58
my
57:58
God,
57:58
here
57:59
comes
57:59
another
57:59
poem.
58:00
I'm
58:00
always
58:00
writing.
58:01
There's
58:01
something
58:01
I'm
58:02
writing,
58:02
but
58:03
now
58:03
I'm
58:03
more
58:03
focused
58:04
on
58:04
writing
58:05
the
58:05
book.
58:06
Okay,
58:06
okay.
58:06
Yeah.
58:07
And
58:07
so
58:08
how
58:08
is
58:09
illustrating
58:10
now,
58:11
Cassidy,
58:12
working
58:12
into
58:13
your
58:13
life
58:14
from
58:15
before
58:16
being
58:16
a
58:16
published
58:17
children's
58:17
book
58:18
author
58:18
illustrator,
58:19
to
58:19
now
58:20
actually
58:21
having
58:21
a
58:21
book
58:21
in
58:22
the
58:22
world
58:22
where
58:22
people
58:23
can
58:23
go
58:23
and
58:23
say,
58:24
oh,
58:24
wow,
58:25
Cassidy.
58:26
So
58:26
tell
58:27
us
58:27
about
58:27
how
58:28
that
58:28
is
58:28
now
58:29
fitting
58:29
into
58:29
your
58:30
life.
58:31
First,
58:31
I
58:32
think
58:32
it's
58:32
really
58:32
uncomfortable
58:33
for
58:33
me
58:33
because
58:33
a
58:33
lot
58:33
of
58:34
people
58:34
now
58:34
know
58:35
that
58:35
I
58:35
do
58:35
that
58:35
and
58:36
they
58:36
like
58:37
to
58:37
talk
58:37
to
58:37
me
58:37
about
58:38
it.
58:38
And
58:38
they
58:38
come
58:39
up
58:39
to
58:39
me
58:39
and
58:39
I'm
58:39
like,
58:39
please
58:40
stop.
58:42
But
58:42
I
58:42
think
58:42
it's
58:42
really
58:43
cool.
58:43
I'm
58:43
getting
58:43
my
58:43
work
58:44
out
58:44
there.
58:44
I'm
58:44
getting
58:44
to
58:44
do
58:45
what
58:45
I
58:45
love.
58:45
And
58:46
my
58:46
hope
58:47
as
58:47
a
58:47
child
58:47
was
58:48
to
58:48
get
58:48
to
58:48
do
58:48
this
58:49
for
58:49
money,
58:49
actually.
58:51
So,
58:51
yeah,
58:51
I
58:51
try
58:52
not
58:52
to
58:52
talk
58:52
about
58:52
it
58:53
too
58:53
much,
58:54
but
58:54
now
58:54
it's
58:54
impossible
58:55
not
58:55
to.
58:55
As
58:56
your
58:56
manager
58:56
will
58:56
bring
58:57
you
58:57
more
58:57
work.
58:58
Exactly.
58:59
Like,
58:59
I
58:59
don't
59:00
need
59:00
to
59:00
speak
59:00
when
59:00
I
59:00
have
59:01
Debbie.
59:01
So
59:05
it's
59:05
a
59:05
lot
59:05
of
59:06
depression.
59:06
Absolutely.
59:08
So,
59:08
Debbie,
59:09
advice
59:10
for
59:10
aspiring
59:11
authors.
59:12
We're
59:12
only
59:13
talking
59:13
August
59:14
5th
59:14
of
59:14
this
59:15
year
59:15
that
59:15
you
59:15
brought
59:16
your
59:16
book
59:16
to
59:16
life
59:17
and
59:17
you
59:18
talked
59:18
about
59:18
this
59:18
30
59:18
year
59:19
journey.
59:19
So
59:20
talk
59:20
to
59:21
aspiring
59:22
authors.
59:22
What
59:22
kind
59:23
of
59:23
advice
59:23
would
59:23
you
59:23
give
59:23
an
59:24
aspiring
59:24
author?
59:25
I
59:25
would
59:25
actually.
59:25
I
59:26
know
59:26
it's
59:26
such
59:26
a
59:26
cliche,
59:27
follow
59:27
your
59:27
dream,
59:28
which
59:28
is
59:28
in
59:28
the
59:28
book.
59:29
But
59:29
I
59:29
do
59:29
believe
59:30
that,
59:30
honestly,
59:31
if
59:31
you
59:31
have
59:31
something
59:32
that
59:32
is
59:32
valuable
59:33
to
59:33
you,
59:33
that
59:33
you're
59:34
putting
59:34
down
59:34
on
59:34
paper
59:35
and
59:35
it
59:36
really
59:36
is
59:36
a
59:36
passion,
59:37
there's
59:37
no
59:38
reason
59:38
not
59:38
to
59:38
share
59:38
it.
59:39
And
59:39
if
59:39
you
59:39
can
59:40
get
59:40
the
59:40
right
59:41
people
59:41
in
59:41
place,
59:42
what
59:42
have
59:42
you
59:42
got
59:43
to
59:43
lose?
59:43
And
59:43
that
59:43
is
59:44
where
59:44
I
59:44
came
59:44
to
59:44
this
59:45
point
59:45
when
59:45
I
59:45
made
59:45
the
59:46
investment.
59:46
And
59:46
it
59:46
was
59:46
an
59:47
investment
59:47
to
59:48
hire
59:48
Meg
59:48
and
59:49
bring
59:49
on
59:49
Cass.
59:50
Although
59:50
she's
59:51
been
59:51
generous,
59:51
I
59:52
took
59:52
it
59:52
as
59:52
an
59:52
investment.
59:53
This
59:53
is
59:53
an
59:53
investment
59:54
of
59:54
my
59:54
time
59:54
that
59:55
I've
59:55
been
59:55
doing
59:55
for
59:55
so
59:56
long.
59:56
Why
59:56
not
59:56
see
59:56
what
59:56
it.
59:57
Where
59:57
it
59:57
can
59:57
take
59:57
me?
59:58
And
59:58
I
59:58
would
59:58
say
59:58
go
59:59
for
59:59
it.
59:59
If
59:59
you
59:59
have
1:00:00
the
1:00:00
right
1:00:00
team
1:00:01
and
1:00:01
do
1:00:02
research,
1:00:02
if
1:00:02
you
1:00:03
reach
1:00:03
out
1:00:03
to
1:00:03
what
1:00:04
I
1:00:04
did
1:00:04
with
1:00:04
Meg,
1:00:05
we
1:00:05
had
1:00:05
talked
1:00:06
almost
1:00:08
six
1:00:08
months
1:00:09
prior
1:00:09
to
1:00:09
committing
1:00:10
to
1:00:10
it,
1:00:11
and
1:00:11
I
1:00:12
had
1:00:12
already
1:00:12
started
1:00:12
talking
1:00:12
to
1:00:13
Cass.
1:00:13
And
1:00:13
we
1:00:13
talked
1:00:14
about
1:00:14
what
1:00:14
our
1:00:14
timeframe
1:00:15
and
1:00:15
what
1:00:15
it
1:00:15
looked
1:00:16
like.
1:00:16
And
1:00:16
then
1:00:17
once
1:00:17
we
1:00:17
made
1:00:17
the
1:00:17
commitment,
1:00:18
it
1:00:19
was
1:00:19
done.
1:00:19
And
1:00:20
then
1:00:20
I
1:00:20
felt
1:00:20
more
1:00:21
confident.
1:00:21
And
1:00:21
then
1:00:21
once
1:00:21
we
1:00:22
saw
1:00:22
it
1:00:22
in
1:00:22
print,
1:00:23
I
1:00:23
felt
1:00:23
more
1:00:24
confident.
1:00:24
And
1:00:24
the
1:00:24
more
1:00:25
it
1:00:25
was
1:00:25
going,
1:00:25
I
1:00:26
was
1:00:26
like,
1:00:26
oh,
1:00:26
my
1:00:26
gosh,
1:00:26
this
1:00:27
is
1:00:27
happening.
1:00:28
So
1:00:28
I
1:00:28
don't
1:00:28
think
1:00:29
you
1:00:29
should
1:00:30
say,
1:00:30
I
1:00:30
want
1:00:31
to.
1:00:31
I
1:00:32
think
1:00:32
someone
1:00:32
should
1:00:33
say,
1:00:33
I'm
1:00:33
going
1:00:33
to,
1:00:34
and
1:00:34
then
1:00:34
do
1:00:34
that
1:00:35
work.
1:00:35
Fantastic.
1:00:36
Thank
1:00:36
you.
1:00:37
And
1:00:37
Cassidy,
1:00:37
what
1:00:38
advice
1:00:38
would
1:00:38
you
1:00:38
give
1:00:38
aspiring
1:00:39
children's
1:00:40
book
1:00:40
authors?
1:00:41
The
1:00:42
same
1:00:42
exact
1:00:42
advice
1:00:43
Debbie
1:00:44
just
1:00:44
gave.
1:00:44
I
1:00:45
think
1:00:45
you
1:00:45
should
1:00:45
just
1:00:45
do
1:00:45
it
1:00:46
because
1:00:46
you
1:00:46
never
1:00:46
know
1:00:47
what's
1:00:47
going
1:00:47
to
1:00:47
happen.
1:00:47
But
1:00:48
then
1:00:48
also,
1:00:49
you
1:00:49
need
1:00:49
to
1:00:50
be
1:00:50
confident
1:00:50
enough
1:00:50
in
1:00:51
yourself
1:00:51
to
1:00:51
price
1:00:51
your
1:00:52
artwork
1:00:52
as
1:00:52
well.
1:00:53
I
1:00:53
never
1:00:54
knew
1:00:54
how
1:00:54
to
1:00:55
do
1:00:55
that.
1:00:55
But
1:00:55
you
1:00:56
should
1:00:56
always
1:00:56
ask
1:00:57
yourself,
1:00:57
like,
1:00:57
if
1:00:57
I'm
1:00:58
gonna
1:00:58
put
1:00:59
in
1:00:59
all
1:00:59
this
1:00:59
work,
1:00:59
like,
1:00:59
I
1:01:00
know
1:01:01
that
1:01:01
my
1:01:01
artwork
1:01:01
is
1:01:02
super
1:01:02
good,
1:01:02
and
1:01:02
I'm
1:01:03
confident
1:01:03
enough
1:01:03
in
1:01:04
myself
1:01:04
that
1:01:04
I
1:01:04
deserve
1:01:05
this
1:01:05
and
1:01:06
just
1:01:07
do
1:01:07
it.
1:01:07
Right
1:01:08
on.
1:01:08
Fantastic.
1:01:09
I
1:01:09
always
1:01:10
say
1:01:10
this
1:01:10
towards
1:01:11
the
1:01:11
end.
1:01:12
Encouragement
1:01:13
for
1:01:13
readers.
1:01:14
Debbie,
1:01:15
first,
1:01:15
we'll
1:01:15
talk
1:01:15
to
1:01:16
you.
1:01:16
So
1:01:16
why
1:01:16
should
1:01:17
children's
1:01:18
book
1:01:18
readers
1:01:19
purchase
1:01:19
your
1:01:20
book?
1:01:21
Tell
1:01:21
us
1:01:21
about
1:01:21
that.
1:01:22
Why
1:01:22
should
1:01:22
they?
1:01:23
Well,
1:01:23
if
1:01:23
you
1:01:23
are
1:01:23
one
1:01:24
that
1:01:24
enjoys
1:01:24
children's
1:01:25
books
1:01:25
or
1:01:25
your
1:01:25
kids,
1:01:26
I
1:01:26
really
1:01:26
do
1:01:26
think
1:01:27
this
1:01:27
one
1:01:27
is
1:01:28
very
1:01:28
whimsical.
1:01:28
It
1:01:29
is
1:01:29
very
1:01:29
fun
1:01:30
to
1:01:30
read.
1:01:31
And
1:01:31
I'm
1:01:31
just
1:01:31
basing
1:01:32
it
1:01:32
on
1:01:32
the
1:01:32
reaction
1:01:32
of
1:01:32
the
1:01:33
kids
1:01:33
that
1:01:33
I've.
1:01:34
Honestly,
1:01:34
what's
1:01:34
really
1:01:35
cool
1:01:35
is
1:01:35
people
1:01:35
are
1:01:35
sending
1:01:36
me
1:01:36
pictures
1:01:36
of
1:01:36
them
1:01:37
getting
1:01:37
the
1:01:37
book
1:01:37
and
1:01:37
their
1:01:38
kids
1:01:38
reading
1:01:38
it.
1:01:38
And
1:01:38
I'm
1:01:39
using
1:01:39
that
1:01:39
as
1:01:39
my
1:01:40
branding
1:01:40
and
1:01:40
our
1:01:40
marketing.
1:01:41
But
1:01:42
that
1:01:42
in
1:01:42
itself
1:01:42
tells
1:01:43
me
1:01:43
there's
1:01:43
something
1:01:44
there.
1:01:44
And
1:01:44
I
1:01:44
think
1:01:45
for
1:01:45
the.
1:01:46
For
1:01:46
what
1:01:46
it.
1:01:46
For
1:01:47
the
1:01:47
price
1:01:47
that
1:01:47
you
1:01:47
pay.
1:01:48
You're
1:01:48
not
1:01:48
just
1:01:48
paying
1:01:49
for
1:01:49
the
1:01:49
story,
1:01:49
but
1:01:49
you
1:01:49
are
1:01:50
paying
1:01:50
for
1:01:50
a
1:01:51
message,
1:01:51
and
1:01:51
you
1:01:51
are
1:01:51
paying
1:01:52
for
1:01:52
brilliant,
1:01:53
colorful,
1:01:55
just
1:01:55
magic.
1:01:56
And
1:01:56
I
1:01:56
encourage
1:01:57
everyone
1:01:58
very
1:01:58
much
1:01:59
to.
1:02:00
To
1:02:00
look
1:02:00
into
1:02:00
it.
1:02:01
There's
1:02:01
in
1:02:01
Kindle
1:02:02
and
1:02:03
a
1:02:03
book
1:02:03
form.
1:02:05
Every
1:02:05
household
1:02:05
should
1:02:06
have
1:02:06
one.
1:02:06
I
1:02:06
just
1:02:06
want
1:02:07
to
1:02:07
pick
1:02:07
up
1:02:07
on
1:02:07
that,
1:02:08
because
1:02:08
the
1:02:08
second
1:02:08
part
1:02:09
of
1:02:09
my
1:02:09
question
1:02:09
is,
1:02:09
where
1:02:10
can
1:02:10
your
1:02:10
books
1:02:10
be
1:02:11
purchased?
1:02:11
So
1:02:11
I
1:02:11
know
1:02:12
have
1:02:12
it
1:02:12
through
1:02:13
Amazon,
1:02:14
so
1:02:14
you
1:02:14
can
1:02:14
buy
1:02:14
it
1:02:15
on
1:02:15
Amazon
1:02:15
in
1:02:16
print.
1:02:17
So
1:02:17
you've
1:02:17
got
1:02:17
paperback
1:02:18
and
1:02:18
you've
1:02:19
got
1:02:19
the
1:02:19
ebook
1:02:19
format,
1:02:20
which
1:02:21
I
1:02:21
love.
1:02:22
It's
1:02:22
not
1:02:22
that
1:02:22
I'm
1:02:23
like
1:02:23
a
1:02:23
children's
1:02:24
book
1:02:24
genius,
1:02:25
because
1:02:25
I'm
1:02:25
not.
1:02:25
I'm
1:02:26
learning
1:02:26
like
1:02:26
everybody.
1:02:27
And
1:02:27
one
1:02:27
of
1:02:27
the
1:02:27
things
1:02:28
I
1:02:28
find
1:02:29
is
1:02:30
a
1:02:30
lot
1:02:30
of
1:02:31
children's
1:02:32
book
1:02:32
authors
1:02:32
do
1:02:33
not
1:02:33
have
1:02:33
an
1:02:34
ebook.
1:02:35
And
1:02:35
even
1:02:35
though
1:02:36
ebooks
1:02:36
aren't
1:02:36
a
1:02:37
big
1:02:37
part
1:02:37
of
1:02:37
your
1:02:37
sale,
1:02:38
it
1:02:39
certainly
1:02:40
helps
1:02:40
to
1:02:40
have
1:02:40
that.
1:02:41
So
1:02:41
whoever
1:02:42
gave
1:02:42
you
1:02:42
the
1:02:43
advice
1:02:43
to
1:02:44
do
1:02:44
your
1:02:44
format
1:02:45
in
1:02:46
print
1:02:47
and
1:02:47
in
1:02:47
ebook
1:02:48
format,
1:02:48
like
1:02:49
softcover
1:02:49
and
1:02:50
ebook
1:02:50
format,
1:02:51
that
1:02:51
was
1:02:51
good
1:02:51
advice.
1:02:52
I
1:02:52
just
1:02:52
want
1:02:53
to
1:02:53
say
1:02:53
that
1:02:53
to
1:02:54
you
1:02:54
so
1:02:55
people
1:02:55
understand.
1:02:56
The
1:02:56
other
1:02:57
thing
1:02:57
is,
1:02:57
I'm
1:02:58
curious.
1:02:59
Usually
1:03:00
most
1:03:01
children's
1:03:01
book
1:03:02
authors
1:03:02
also
1:03:03
download
1:03:03
their
1:03:03
files.
1:03:04
It's
1:03:05
a
1:03:05
little
1:03:05
different,
1:03:05
but
1:03:05
not
1:03:06
much
1:03:06
different
1:03:06
to
1:03:07
Ingram
1:03:07
Sparks,
1:03:08
which
1:03:09
then
1:03:09
gives
1:03:09
you
1:03:09
access
1:03:10
to
1:03:10
Apple
1:03:11
Books.
1:03:11
It
1:03:11
gives
1:03:12
you
1:03:12
access
1:03:12
to
1:03:13
Barnes
1:03:13
and
1:03:13
Noble
1:03:13
Online.
1:03:14
Most
1:03:15
of
1:03:15
the
1:03:15
online
1:03:15
retailers
1:03:17
then
1:03:17
have
1:03:17
access
1:03:18
to
1:03:18
your
1:03:18
book
1:03:18
through
1:03:18
ingramsparks.
1:03:19
Is
1:03:20
there
1:03:20
a
1:03:20
reason
1:03:20
you
1:03:21
haven't
1:03:21
done
1:03:21
that
1:03:21
yet?
1:03:22
I
1:03:23
honestly,
1:03:24
I
1:03:24
don't
1:03:24
know
1:03:24
how
1:03:24
to
1:03:24
answer
1:03:25
that.
1:03:25
That
1:03:25
was
1:03:25
part
1:03:25
of
1:03:25
our
1:03:25
marketing
1:03:26
group,
1:03:26
and
1:03:26
I
1:03:26
Don't
1:03:26
know
1:03:27
if
1:03:27
that
1:03:27
was
1:03:28
an
1:03:28
additional
1:03:31
thing.
1:03:31
Who
1:03:31
we
1:03:32
work
1:03:32
for
1:03:33
works
1:03:33
through
1:03:33
the
1:03:33
Amazon
1:03:34
KDP
1:03:35
print.
1:03:35
And
1:03:35
that's,
1:03:36
I
1:03:36
think,
1:03:37
just
1:03:38
so
1:03:38
you
1:03:38
know.
1:03:38
And
1:03:39
the
1:03:39
I.
1:03:39
The
1:03:39
reason
1:03:39
I'm
1:03:40
telling
1:03:40
you
1:03:40
is,
1:03:41
is
1:03:41
that
1:03:41
because
1:03:41
I've
1:03:42
done
1:03:42
it
1:03:42
with
1:03:42
both
1:03:42
our
1:03:43
books
1:03:43
is
1:03:44
that
1:03:45
the
1:03:45
files
1:03:45
are
1:03:46
the
1:03:46
same,
1:03:47
it's
1:03:47
not
1:03:48
costing
1:03:48
you
1:03:48
any
1:03:49
more
1:03:49
money.
1:03:50
And
1:03:50
again,
1:03:50
I'm
1:03:50
just
1:03:50
sharing
1:03:52
this
1:03:52
advice
1:03:53
is
1:03:53
that
1:03:53
just
1:03:54
talk
1:03:54
to
1:03:54
whoever
1:03:55
did
1:03:55
your
1:03:56
book
1:03:56
formatting
1:03:57
and
1:03:57
find
1:03:57
out
1:03:58
if.
1:03:58
Why
1:03:59
you
1:03:59
can't
1:03:59
just
1:04:00
take
1:04:00
your
1:04:00
files
1:04:01
and
1:04:01
move
1:04:02
them
1:04:02
over
1:04:02
or
1:04:03
add
1:04:03
them
1:04:03
onto
1:04:04
ingramsparks
1:04:04
also
1:04:05
to
1:04:05
give
1:04:06
you
1:04:06
wider
1:04:07
distribution.
1:04:08
That's
1:04:08
all.
1:04:09
Okay.
1:04:09
Just
1:04:10
ask
1:04:10
that
1:04:10
question
1:04:11
for
1:04:11
sure.
1:04:12
Yeah.
1:04:12
Wonderful.
1:04:13
Thank
1:04:13
you.
1:04:13
So,
1:04:14
encouragement
1:04:15
for
1:04:15
readers,
1:04:16
Cassidy,
1:04:16
from
1:04:17
your
1:04:17
standpoint
1:04:17
as
1:04:17
an
1:04:18
illustrator.
1:04:19
So
1:04:20
what
1:04:20
would
1:04:20
you
1:04:20
say
1:04:20
to
1:04:21
them?
1:04:22
Encouraging
1:04:22
readers.
1:04:23
Yeah.
1:04:23
Like,
1:04:24
why
1:04:24
would
1:04:24
readers
1:04:25
want
1:04:25
to
1:04:25
even
1:04:25
look
1:04:25
at
1:04:25
your
1:04:26
pictures?
1:04:27
Because
1:04:28
they're
1:04:28
cool.
1:04:30
Have
1:04:30
the
1:04:30
reader
1:04:31
in
1:04:31
mind
1:04:31
when
1:04:31
you
1:04:31
did
1:04:32
the
1:04:32
illustrations.
1:04:34
Children?
1:04:36
I
1:04:36
don't
1:04:36
know.
1:04:36
I
1:04:36
think.
1:04:37
I
1:04:37
think
1:04:37
everybody.
1:04:38
Everyone
1:04:39
loves
1:04:39
to
1:04:39
look
1:04:39
at
1:04:39
pictures.
1:04:40
I
1:04:40
think.
1:04:41
I
1:04:41
don't
1:04:41
know.
1:04:42
Oh,
1:04:42
you're
1:04:42
the
1:04:43
first
1:04:43
illustrator
1:04:43
I've
1:04:43
asked
1:04:44
this
1:04:44
question
1:04:44
to,
1:04:44
so
1:04:45
I
1:04:45
was
1:04:45
curious.
1:04:45
Oh,
1:04:46
gosh.
1:04:49
There's
1:04:49
a
1:04:49
lot
1:04:49
of
1:04:50
pressure.
1:04:50
So
1:04:50
you
1:04:50
got
1:04:50
to
1:04:51
give
1:04:51
me
1:04:51
more.
1:04:51
No.
1:04:52
How
1:04:52
dare.
1:04:53
Yeah,
1:04:54
I
1:04:54
don't
1:04:54
know.
1:04:54
I
1:04:54
drew
1:04:55
what
1:04:55
I
1:04:55
would
1:04:55
want
1:04:55
to
1:04:55
see.
1:04:56
Okay.
1:04:57
So
1:04:57
I
1:04:57
guess
1:04:57
I
1:04:58
had
1:04:58
myself
1:04:59
in
1:04:59
mind.
1:05:00
Terrific.
1:05:01
Terrific.
1:05:01
Because
1:05:02
she's
1:05:02
a
1:05:02
kid
1:05:02
at
1:05:02
heart.
1:05:04
Okay.
1:05:04
I
1:05:05
am
1:05:05
an
1:05:05
adult
1:05:05
child.
1:05:06
And
1:05:06
now
1:05:06
what
1:05:06
I'm
1:05:06
going
1:05:07
to
1:05:07
do
1:05:07
is
1:05:07
I'm
1:05:07
going
1:05:07
to
1:05:07
ask
1:05:08
this
1:05:08
question
1:05:08
to
1:05:08
Cassidy
1:05:09
first,
1:05:09
and
1:05:09
then
1:05:10
Debbie
1:05:10
will
1:05:10
go
1:05:10
to
1:05:11
you.
1:05:12
So
1:05:12
final
1:05:13
thoughts.
1:05:13
Cassidy,
1:05:14
is
1:05:14
there
1:05:14
anything
1:05:15
you'd
1:05:15
like
1:05:15
to
1:05:15
share
1:05:15
that
1:05:16
you
1:05:16
say.
1:05:16
You
1:05:16
know
1:05:16
what?
1:05:16
I
1:05:16
wish
1:05:17
Rick
1:05:17
would
1:05:17
ask
1:05:17
me
1:05:18
this
1:05:18
question
1:05:19
as
1:05:19
an
1:05:19
illustrator.
1:05:20
So
1:05:20
was
1:05:20
there
1:05:21
something
1:05:21
I
1:05:21
should.
1:05:22
You
1:05:22
had
1:05:22
this.
1:05:23
I
1:05:23
should
1:05:23
have
1:05:23
asked
1:05:23
you.
1:05:24
I
1:05:25
think
1:05:25
you
1:05:25
asked
1:05:25
me
1:05:26
too
1:05:26
many
1:05:26
questions.
1:05:28
I
1:05:28
think
1:05:29
that
1:05:30
I
1:05:31
guess
1:05:31
you
1:05:31
didn't.
1:05:32
You
1:05:32
asked
1:05:32
me,
1:05:32
like,
1:05:32
how
1:05:33
I
1:05:33
imagined
1:05:33
artwork,
1:05:34
but
1:05:34
at
1:05:34
the
1:05:34
same
1:05:35
time,
1:05:35
I
1:05:35
guess
1:05:35
I
1:05:36
looked
1:05:36
up
1:05:36
a
1:05:36
lot
1:05:36
of
1:05:36
reference
1:05:37
photos.
1:05:37
And
1:05:38
I
1:05:38
don't
1:05:38
know
1:05:40
because
1:05:40
I've
1:05:40
always
1:05:40
been
1:05:40
afraid
1:05:41
to
1:05:41
look
1:05:41
up
1:05:42
reference
1:05:42
photos.
1:05:42
Like,
1:05:43
I
1:05:43
don't
1:05:43
want
1:05:43
to
1:05:43
be
1:05:43
one
1:05:43
of
1:05:43
the,
1:05:44
like,
1:05:44
considered
1:05:45
copying
1:05:45
or
1:05:45
anything.
1:05:46
Yeah.
1:05:46
So
1:05:46
explain
1:05:47
reference
1:05:47
for
1:05:48
us,
1:05:48
for
1:05:48
the
1:05:48
audience.
1:05:49
What
1:05:49
does
1:05:49
that
1:05:49
mean?
1:05:50
That
1:05:50
just
1:05:51
means,
1:05:51
like,
1:05:51
if
1:05:51
someone
1:05:51
has
1:05:52
an
1:05:52
idea
1:05:52
or
1:05:52
if
1:05:52
I
1:05:52
have
1:05:52
an
1:05:53
idea
1:05:53
in
1:05:53
my
1:05:53
brain,
1:05:53
but
1:05:54
I
1:05:54
can't,
1:05:54
like,
1:05:54
physically
1:05:55
put
1:05:55
it
1:05:55
on
1:05:55
the
1:05:55
paper,
1:05:56
I'll
1:05:57
type
1:05:57
it
1:05:57
into
1:05:58
Pinterest
1:05:58
is
1:05:59
my
1:05:59
go
1:05:59
to.
1:06:00
So
1:06:00
I'll
1:06:00
just
1:06:00
type
1:06:01
in
1:06:01
Vibrant
1:06:01
Tree
1:06:02
or
1:06:02
whatever
1:06:03
and
1:06:03
then
1:06:03
I'll
1:06:03
take
1:06:03
five
1:06:04
reference
1:06:04
photos.
1:06:05
If
1:06:05
I
1:06:05
can't
1:06:06
get
1:06:06
that
1:06:06
image
1:06:06
inside
1:06:07
my
1:06:07
brain,
1:06:07
and
1:06:08
then
1:06:08
I'll
1:06:08
take
1:06:08
those
1:06:08
and
1:06:09
I'll
1:06:09
merge
1:06:09
them
1:06:09
together.
1:06:10
And
1:06:11
I
1:06:11
don't
1:06:11
want
1:06:11
illustrators
1:06:12
to
1:06:12
be
1:06:12
afraid
1:06:13
of
1:06:13
using
1:06:13
reference
1:06:14
photos,
1:06:14
even
1:06:14
though
1:06:14
I
1:06:15
don't
1:06:15
think
1:06:15
most
1:06:15
are.
1:06:16
But
1:06:16
I
1:06:16
know
1:06:16
that
1:06:17
copying
1:06:17
is
1:06:17
like
1:06:18
a
1:06:18
big
1:06:18
thing
1:06:18
I've
1:06:18
seen
1:06:18
around.
1:06:19
People
1:06:19
are
1:06:19
like,
1:06:19
oh,
1:06:20
you've
1:06:20
copied
1:06:20
this
1:06:21
image
1:06:21
and
1:06:21
you
1:06:21
shouldn't
1:06:22
be
1:06:22
doing
1:06:22
that,
1:06:22
and
1:06:22
you're
1:06:23
not
1:06:23
a
1:06:23
real
1:06:23
illustrator,
1:06:24
and
1:06:24
blah,
1:06:25
blah,
1:06:25
blah.
1:06:25
Yeah.
1:06:26
If
1:06:26
you
1:06:26
use
1:06:26
reference
1:06:27
photos
1:06:27
would
1:06:27
have
1:06:27
been.
1:06:28
I
1:06:28
don't
1:06:28
know,
1:06:29
one
1:06:29
question
1:06:29
I
1:06:29
guess
1:06:30
I
1:06:30
could
1:06:30
add
1:06:30
to
1:06:30
your
1:06:31
question
1:06:31
for.
1:06:32
Me
1:06:32
and
1:06:32
you
1:06:32
would
1:06:32
have
1:06:32
found
1:06:33
that
1:06:33
helpful
1:06:34
or
1:06:34
you.
1:06:34
You
1:06:35
actually
1:06:35
did
1:06:35
that.
1:06:36
I
1:06:37
actually
1:06:37
did
1:06:37
that.
1:06:38
Okay.
1:06:38
Yeah.
1:06:39
I
1:06:39
do
1:06:39
that
1:06:39
all
1:06:39
the
1:06:40
time.
1:06:40
I
1:06:40
can
1:06:41
take
1:06:41
things
1:06:41
inside
1:06:42
my
1:06:42
brain
1:06:42
enough,
1:06:42
but
1:06:42
if
1:06:43
I
1:06:43
can't
1:06:43
get
1:06:43
it
1:06:44
just
1:06:44
right,
1:06:44
like,
1:06:45
I'll
1:06:45
look
1:06:45
something
1:06:45
up.
1:06:45
Like,
1:06:46
I
1:06:46
won't
1:06:46
copy
1:06:46
it,
1:06:47
but
1:06:47
I'll
1:06:47
get
1:06:48
five
1:06:49
references
1:06:49
and
1:06:50
do
1:06:51
that.
1:06:51
Thank
1:06:52
you
1:06:52
for
1:06:52
sharing
1:06:52
that.
1:06:53
So,
1:06:53
Debbie,
1:06:53
now
1:06:54
that
1:06:54
we've
1:06:54
let
1:06:54
your
1:06:54
brain
1:06:55
bounce
1:06:56
that
1:06:56
around,
1:06:57
is
1:06:58
there
1:06:58
anything
1:06:58
that
1:06:58
you
1:06:59
said,
1:06:59
oh,
1:06:59
geez,
1:06:59
I
1:06:59
wish
1:07:00
Rick
1:07:00
would
1:07:00
ask
1:07:00
me
1:07:00
that
1:07:01
question.
1:07:02
I
1:07:03
will
1:07:03
say
1:07:03
you
1:07:03
were
1:07:03
very
1:07:03
thorough.
1:07:04
There
1:07:04
were
1:07:05
questions
1:07:05
that
1:07:05
you
1:07:05
asked
1:07:05
that
1:07:06
they
1:07:06
didn't
1:07:06
know
1:07:06
answers
1:07:07
to,
1:07:07
so
1:07:07
it
1:07:07
actually
1:07:07
pained
1:07:08
me
1:07:08
to
1:07:08
think
1:07:08
about
1:07:09
those
1:07:09
things.
1:07:09
So
1:07:10
I
1:07:10
would
1:07:10
say
1:07:10
that
1:07:10
was
1:07:11
the
1:07:11
plus.
1:07:12
Yeah.
1:07:13
I
1:07:13
don't
1:07:13
know
1:07:13
if
1:07:14
you
1:07:14
asked
1:07:14
me,
1:07:16
how
1:07:16
did
1:07:16
we
1:07:16
come
1:07:16
up
1:07:16
with
1:07:17
pricing
1:07:17
our
1:07:17
book?
1:07:18
And
1:07:18
I
1:07:18
think
1:07:18
that's
1:07:19
a
1:07:19
valuable
1:07:19
question.
1:07:22
Would
1:07:22
say
1:07:22
it's
1:07:22
always
1:07:22
worth
1:07:23
more.
1:07:24
But
1:07:24
then
1:07:24
you
1:07:24
always
1:07:24
have
1:07:25
to
1:07:25
look
1:07:25
at
1:07:25
who's
1:07:25
your
1:07:26
potential
1:07:26
audience
1:07:27
and
1:07:27
what
1:07:27
are
1:07:27
the
1:07:28
times.
1:07:28
Like,
1:07:29
my
1:07:29
husband
1:07:29
was
1:07:29
like,
1:07:30
every
1:07:30
grandparent
1:07:30
will
1:07:31
buy
1:07:31
it.
1:07:31
I'm
1:07:31
like,
1:07:31
that's
1:07:32
not
1:07:32
all
1:07:32
that
1:07:33
I
1:07:33
want
1:07:33
to
1:07:33
buy
1:07:33
it.
1:07:33
I
1:07:34
want
1:07:34
families
1:07:34
to
1:07:35
buy
1:07:35
it.
1:07:35
So
1:07:36
pricing
1:07:37
a
1:07:37
book
1:07:37
is
1:07:37
not
1:07:37
easy,
1:07:38
I
1:07:38
don't
1:07:38
think.
1:07:39
I
1:07:39
didn't
1:07:39
want
1:07:39
to
1:07:40
take
1:07:40
away
1:07:40
from
1:07:40
Cass
1:07:41
artwork
1:07:41
for
1:07:41
sure,
1:07:42
because
1:07:42
I
1:07:42
would
1:07:42
think
1:07:42
it's
1:07:43
worth
1:07:43
more.
1:07:44
But
1:07:44
at
1:07:44
the
1:07:44
same
1:07:44
time,
1:07:45
I
1:07:46
did
1:07:46
research
1:07:47
on
1:07:47
what
1:07:47
books
1:07:48
are
1:07:48
so
1:07:48
much,
1:07:49
and
1:07:50
then
1:07:50
there's
1:07:50
those
1:07:50
that
1:07:50
are
1:07:51
of
1:07:51
the
1:07:51
same
1:07:52
size
1:07:52
and
1:07:53
maybe
1:07:53
the
1:07:53
same
1:07:53
amount
1:07:54
that
1:07:54
are
1:07:54
far
1:07:55
less.
1:07:55
But
1:07:56
they
1:07:56
also
1:07:56
have
1:07:57
been
1:07:57
around
1:07:57
C
1:07:57
Spot
1:07:58
Run,
1:07:58
that's
1:07:58
been
1:07:58
around
1:07:59
forever
1:07:59
and
1:07:59
that
1:07:59
can
1:08:00
afford
1:08:00
to
1:08:00
go
1:08:00
a
1:08:00
little
1:08:00
lower.
1:08:01
So
1:08:01
I.
1:08:02
I
1:08:02
do
1:08:02
think
1:08:02
that's
1:08:02
a
1:08:03
valuable
1:08:03
question
1:08:03
because
1:08:04
we
1:08:04
also
1:08:04
have
1:08:04
to
1:08:04
make
1:08:05
a
1:08:05
little
1:08:05
to
1:08:05
pay
1:08:05
for
1:08:06
what
1:08:06
we've
1:08:06
done.
1:08:06
And
1:08:07
then
1:08:07
as
1:08:07
this
1:08:07
book
1:08:08
develops,
1:08:08
then
1:08:08
we
1:08:09
may
1:08:09
be
1:08:09
able
1:08:09
to
1:08:09
bring
1:08:09
that
1:08:09
price
1:08:10
down.
1:08:10
I
1:08:10
don't
1:08:10
think
1:08:11
you
1:08:11
asked
1:08:11
that
1:08:11
specifically.
1:08:12
No,
1:08:12
I
1:08:12
didn't.
1:08:13
And
1:08:13
thank
1:08:13
you
1:08:13
for
1:08:13
sharing
1:08:13
that
1:08:14
because
1:08:14
it's
1:08:14
interesting.
1:08:15
I
1:08:15
always
1:08:16
track,
1:08:17
even
1:08:17
though
1:08:17
I
1:08:18
don't
1:08:18
talk
1:08:18
about
1:08:18
it
1:08:18
on
1:08:19
the
1:08:19
show
1:08:19
because
1:08:20
pricing,
1:08:21
it's
1:08:22
an
1:08:22
interesting
1:08:22
situation
1:08:23
because
1:08:24
I
1:08:24
actually
1:08:24
track
1:08:25
all
1:08:25
my
1:08:25
guests
1:08:26
price
1:08:26
on
1:08:26
their
1:08:26
books.
1:08:27
So
1:08:27
I
1:08:27
look
1:08:28
at
1:08:28
their
1:08:28
pricing
1:08:29
on
1:08:29
softcover
1:08:30
ebooks
1:08:31
and
1:08:31
hardcover,
1:08:33
and
1:08:34
it's
1:08:34
such
1:08:35
a
1:08:35
broad
1:08:36
range.
1:08:36
And
1:08:36
you
1:08:37
might
1:08:37
say,
1:08:38
why
1:08:38
is
1:08:38
that
1:08:39
just
1:08:39
for
1:08:40
the
1:08:40
audience?
1:08:40
The
1:08:40
reason
1:08:41
being
1:08:42
is
1:08:42
that
1:08:42
I
1:08:43
find
1:08:43
if
1:08:43
you're
1:08:44
an
1:08:44
indie
1:08:44
independent
1:08:45
publisher
1:08:46
like
1:08:46
we
1:08:46
are,
1:08:47
then
1:08:48
your
1:08:49
costs.
1:08:50
I'll
1:08:50
give
1:08:50
you
1:08:51
a
1:08:51
prime
1:08:51
example.
1:08:53
The
1:08:53
average
1:08:53
children's
1:08:54
book
1:08:54
sells
1:08:55
between
1:08:55
100
1:08:56
and
1:08:56
500
1:08:57
copies
1:08:57
over
1:08:58
the
1:08:58
lifetime
1:08:59
of
1:08:59
the
1:08:59
book.
1:09:00
Okay?
1:09:00
Think
1:09:00
about
1:09:01
that
1:09:01
for
1:09:01
a
1:09:01
moment.
1:09:02
Digest
1:09:03
that.
1:09:03
And
1:09:04
if
1:09:04
you
1:09:04
just
1:09:05
spent
1:09:05
between
1:09:07
15
1:09:07
and
1:09:08
$20,000
1:09:09
for
1:09:09
your
1:09:09
to
1:09:10
bring
1:09:10
your
1:09:10
book
1:09:10
to
1:09:11
life
1:09:12
and
1:09:13
you
1:09:13
only
1:09:13
sell,
1:09:14
let's
1:09:14
give
1:09:14
you
1:09:14
the
1:09:15
top
1:09:15
end
1:09:15
and
1:09:15
you
1:09:16
sell
1:09:16
500
1:09:16
copies,
1:09:17
divide
1:09:18
500
1:09:18
into
1:09:19
15,000,
1:09:21
then
1:09:21
you
1:09:22
can
1:09:22
see
1:09:22
where
1:09:22
I'm
1:09:22
coming
1:09:23
from.
1:09:23
And
1:09:23
that's
1:09:23
why
1:09:24
I
1:09:24
always
1:09:24
talk
1:09:24
to
1:09:24
people
1:09:25
about,
1:09:25
do
1:09:25
you
1:09:26
have
1:09:26
a
1:09:26
book
1:09:26
business
1:09:27
plan?
1:09:27
Because
1:09:29
people
1:09:29
think
1:09:30
once
1:09:30
they
1:09:30
get
1:09:30
their
1:09:31
book,
1:09:32
somehow
1:09:33
magically
1:09:33
it's
1:09:34
going
1:09:34
to
1:09:35
sell
1:09:36
thousands.
1:09:36
I
1:09:37
have
1:09:37
to
1:09:37
talk
1:09:37
to
1:09:37
author
1:09:38
Sarah
1:09:38
Graves
1:09:38
about
1:09:39
her
1:09:39
book
1:09:39
Attack
1:09:39
of
1:09:40
the
1:09:40
Monster
1:09:40
Pickles.
1:09:41
She
1:09:41
thought
1:09:41
her
1:09:42
expectation,
1:09:43
God
1:09:43
bless
1:09:43
her,
1:09:44
she
1:09:44
thought
1:09:45
she
1:09:45
was
1:09:45
going
1:09:45
to
1:09:46
sell
1:09:46
5,000
1:09:47
copies.
1:09:48
She
1:09:48
just
1:09:48
had
1:09:48
that
1:09:49
number
1:09:49
in
1:09:49
her
1:09:50
brain.
1:09:50
And
1:09:50
I
1:09:51
said,
1:09:51
where
1:09:51
did
1:09:51
you
1:09:51
get
1:09:51
that
1:09:52
number?
1:09:52
And
1:09:52
she
1:09:52
said,
1:09:52
I
1:09:53
figured
1:09:53
out
1:09:53
all
1:09:53
my
1:09:54
costs
1:09:54
and
1:09:55
break
1:09:55
even.
1:09:56
And
1:09:56
so
1:09:56
that's.
1:09:56
That's
1:09:57
what
1:09:57
she
1:09:57
needed.
1:09:58
That's
1:09:58
what
1:09:58
she
1:09:58
needed.
1:09:59
That's
1:09:59
what
1:09:59
she
1:09:59
needed.
1:10:00
Yeah.
1:10:01
When,
1:10:01
if
1:10:02
you
1:10:02
listen
1:10:02
to
1:10:02
our
1:10:03
interview,
1:10:03
she
1:10:04
has
1:10:04
brought
1:10:04
that
1:10:04
number
1:10:05
down
1:10:05
to
1:10:05
a
1:10:05
thousand,
1:10:06
but
1:10:07
she
1:10:07
needed
1:10:08
5,000
1:10:08
to
1:10:09
break
1:10:09
even.
1:10:09
And
1:10:10
now
1:10:10
she's
1:10:10
going
1:10:10
to
1:10:11
be
1:10:11
happy
1:10:11
at
1:10:11
a
1:10:11
thousand.
1:10:12
But
1:10:13
the
1:10:13
thing
1:10:13
about
1:10:14
children's
1:10:14
book
1:10:14
authors
1:10:16
is
1:10:16
the
1:10:16
passion
1:10:17
takes
1:10:17
over
1:10:18
our
1:10:18
brain.
1:10:19
And
1:10:20
she's
1:10:20
about
1:10:20
to
1:10:21
produce
1:10:21
another
1:10:21
book.
1:10:23
So
1:10:23
that's
1:10:24
the
1:10:24
way
1:10:24
we
1:10:25
all
1:10:25
are.
1:10:25
I
1:10:25
can
1:10:25
tell
1:10:25
you.
1:10:26
People
1:10:26
live
1:10:26
in
1:10:26
glass
1:10:27
houses
1:10:27
like
1:10:27
myself
1:10:28
shouldn't
1:10:28
throw
1:10:29
stones
1:10:29
because
1:10:30
you
1:10:30
know
1:10:30
what?
1:10:31
And
1:10:32
that's
1:10:32
the
1:10:32
beautiful
1:10:33
thing
1:10:33
about
1:10:33
being
1:10:34
indie
1:10:35
book
1:10:35
publisher
1:10:36
is
1:10:36
you
1:10:36
can
1:10:36
sell.
1:10:37
I
1:10:37
was,
1:10:38
I
1:10:38
was
1:10:38
hoping
1:10:39
for
1:10:39
a
1:10:39
hundred.
1:10:40
That
1:10:41
was
1:10:41
my
1:10:41
goal.
1:10:41
And
1:10:41
we're
1:10:42
almost
1:10:42
there.
1:10:42
So
1:10:42
I'm
1:10:42
like,
1:10:43
okay,
1:10:43
that's
1:10:43
pretty
1:10:43
good.
1:10:44
I
1:10:44
didn't
1:10:44
look
1:10:44
at
1:10:45
cost
1:10:46
to
1:10:47
what
1:10:47
I
1:10:47
spent.
1:10:47
I
1:10:47
didn't.
1:10:48
I
1:10:48
just
1:10:48
again
1:10:48
thought
1:10:49
this
1:10:49
was
1:10:49
an
1:10:49
investment.
1:10:49
I
1:10:50
kept
1:10:50
thinking
1:10:50
it's
1:10:51
an
1:10:51
investment.
1:10:51
So
1:10:52
I
1:10:52
hope
1:10:52
I.
1:10:53
I
1:10:53
hope
1:10:53
we
1:10:53
get
1:10:53
money
1:10:54
out
1:10:54
of
1:10:54
it.
1:10:54
But
1:10:55
again,
1:10:56
I
1:10:56
was
1:10:56
hoping
1:10:56
for
1:10:56
a
1:10:57
hundred.
1:10:57
We're
1:10:57
pretty
1:10:58
quickly
1:10:58
approaching
1:10:59
that,
1:10:59
and
1:10:59
then
1:11:00
hopefully
1:11:00
it'll
1:11:01
just
1:11:01
take
1:11:01
more.
1:11:02
That's
1:11:02
the
1:11:02
thing.
1:11:02
That's
1:11:03
why
1:11:03
I
1:11:03
always
1:11:04
ask
1:11:04
about
1:11:04
a
1:11:05
business
1:11:05
book
1:11:05
plan.
1:11:06
You
1:11:06
know
1:11:06
what,
1:11:06
Cassidy,
1:11:08
sit
1:11:08
down
1:11:09
with
1:11:09
Debbie.
1:11:10
I
1:11:10
get
1:11:11
her
1:11:11
to
1:11:11
a
1:11:11
little
1:11:12
more
1:11:12
planning.
1:11:13
No,
1:11:15
I'll
1:11:15
try.
1:11:16
Okay,
1:11:18
so
1:11:19
both
1:11:19
of
1:11:19
you,
1:11:20
Daffy
1:11:20
and
1:11:20
Cassidy,
1:11:21
thank
1:11:21
you
1:11:22
so
1:11:22
much
1:11:22
for
1:11:22
being.
1:11:22
Thank
1:11:23
you.
1:11:23
Guest
1:11:24
on
1:11:24
the
1:11:24
show
1:11:24
of
1:11:25
the
1:11:25
adventures
1:11:25
in
1:11:26
the
1:11:26
heart
1:11:26
of
1:11:26
children's
1:11:26
book
1:11:27
authors.
1:11:27
Your
1:11:27
generosity
1:11:29
of
1:11:29
time
1:11:30
and
1:11:30
insights
1:11:31
is,
1:11:31
wow.
1:11:32
It's
1:11:32
been
1:11:33
significant.
1:11:34
I'm
1:11:34
sure
1:11:34
it'll
1:11:35
benefit
1:11:35
a
1:11:36
lot
1:11:36
of
1:11:36
aspiring
1:11:36
children's
1:11:37
book
1:11:37
authors
1:11:38
and
1:11:38
readers.
1:11:39
And
1:11:39
we
1:11:40
promised
1:11:40
the
1:11:40
audience
1:11:41
we're
1:11:41
going
1:11:41
to
1:11:41
provide
1:11:42
links.
1:11:42
So
1:11:43
folks,
1:11:43
we
1:11:43
promise
1:11:44
to
1:11:44
add
1:11:44
that
1:11:44
into
1:11:44
the
1:11:45
show.
1:11:45
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1:11:45
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1:11:57
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1:11:58
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1:11:58
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1:11:58
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1:11:59
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Cassidy
1:12:00
and
1:12:00
their
1:12:00
children's
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book,
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Kid
1:12:02
Clown
1:12:03
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the
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Butterfly
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Adventures.
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