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Reddington’s Next Case: Kelsie Cote · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Hi guys, welcome to an episode of Legally Brunette. I'll
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  Speaker 1: be your host today, Emily Simpson with.
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  Speaker 2: Shane.
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  Speaker 1: Shane. Okay, today we are going to get into a
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  Speaker 1: case that is going to go to trial soon. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad that we're doing an episode on it because
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  Speaker 1: I feel like once it goes to trial, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to follow it. It is the case of Kelsey Cote.
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  Speaker 1: So on Halloween night of 2022, 74-year-old Doris Cote was
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  Speaker 1: found dead at the bottom of her basement stairs in
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  Speaker 1: North Adams, Massachusetts. What looked like a tragic accident quickly
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  Speaker 1: unraveled into something much darker. Prosecutors say the murder was
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  Speaker 1: not impulsive. They allege it was planned, motivated by money,
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  Speaker 1: and followed by a deliberate attempt to cover it up.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Reddington, one of Massachusetts' most prominent defense attorneys, is
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  Speaker 1: representing Kelsey, and after four years, the trial is finally
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  Speaker 1: going to make headway.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to start soon. This is another Massachusetts case?
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  Speaker 1: This is another Massachusetts case, and this is Kevin Reddington.
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  Speaker 1: He's representing Kelsey Cote. You know Kevin Reddington is... Lindsey
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  Speaker 1: Clancy's attorney. And this case was actually supposed to go
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  Speaker 1: to trial, I don't know, maybe a year ago, but
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  Speaker 1: it was postponed because he was trying the Lindsey Clancy case.
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  Speaker 1: So now that the Lindsey Clancy case is, well, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that first trial is now over, ended in a mistrial,
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  Speaker 1: but we know that's over. It is over. He now
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  Speaker 1: can move forward with the Kelsey Cody case. So that's
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  Speaker 1: what we're going to talk about today.
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  Speaker 2: What if Kelsey Cody's like, wait, what was the verdict?
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  Speaker 2: She's like, no, thanks. I'll find a new attorney. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Kelsey Cody, based upon what I know from this case,
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  Speaker 1: she'd be very lucky with this trial.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So Doris Cody is 74 and lived in a small
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  Speaker 1: city in Western Massachusetts near the Vermont border. She and
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  Speaker 1: her husband Ray had lived in their home for decades.
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  Speaker 1: In February of 2022, Ray Cody, this is Doris's husband,
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  Speaker 1: passed away, leaving Doris living alone. Then we get to
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  Speaker 1: the summer of 2022. Kelsey Cody is Doris's granddaughter, and
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  Speaker 1: she returns to the area from Connecticut. She suffers a
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  Speaker 1: foot injury and an ATV accident, and Doris begins helping
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  Speaker 1: drive her around. All right, so we've got a grandmother
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  Speaker 1: and a grandfather, but the grandfather dies, so the grandmother's
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  Speaker 1: living alone. And then we've got Kelsey that's returning to
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  Speaker 1: her grandmother's house, and she's getting help from her grandmother.
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  Speaker 1: In the fall of 2022, Kelsey is staying at her
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  Speaker 1: father's house. So Doris is Kelsey's father's mother. So it's
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  Speaker 1: her paternal grandmother.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So Kelsey is staying at her father's house, but continues
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  Speaker 1: spending significant amount of time at her grandmother's home. Prosecutors,
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  Speaker 1: this is later, allege that Kelsey was addicted to oxy...
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  Speaker 1: How do you say? Is it oxycodone?
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  Speaker 2: Oxycontin?
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  Speaker 1: I always hear people say oxycontin, but is it like oxy.
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  Speaker 2: In the streets, we say oxy.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, just, okay, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: We just go with Oxy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad you know that.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: In the streets, it's Oxy. Okay, so she was addicted
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  Speaker 1: to Oxy and had been stealing money from Doris's safe
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  Speaker 1: and her accounts. We're going to talk about motive in
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, but maybe that was something that Doris,
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  Speaker 1: the grandmother, started to figure out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 1: All right, now let's get to the actual murder. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Or alleged murder.
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  Speaker 2: Well, someone's murdered.
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  Speaker 1: Well, someone dies. Yeah. So we'll just go with that.
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  Speaker 2: While it dies at the hands of another?
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  Speaker 1: Well, she tries to stage, like, allegedly tries to stage
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  Speaker 1: a crime scene. So we're going to get into that.
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  Speaker 2: So allegedly she stages a crime scene.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying allegedly because she hasn't been convicted of
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  Speaker 1: anything yet.
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  Speaker 2: So you anticipate she will be?
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  Speaker 1: I anticipate she will be. That would be my anticipation.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm just saying allegedly because she has not been
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  Speaker 1: convicted of anything yet. On Halloween night of, so this
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  Speaker 1: is October 31st, 2022.
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  Speaker 2: Halloween.
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  Speaker 1: A relative visits Doris's home that afternoon. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: who the relative is. I don't give information on that.
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  Speaker 1: They just say a relative. So this relative told investigators
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  Speaker 1: that Doris appeared to be in good spirits, was very mobile,
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  Speaker 1: and showed no significant physical limitations. That relative leaves around
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  Speaker 1: 4.30 p.m. and Kelsey remains at her grandmother's house. So
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  Speaker 1: she's there on Halloween night. Kelsey initially told police that
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  Speaker 1: she left her grandmother's home at approximately 7.30 p.m., but
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  Speaker 1: prosecutors later alleged that Kelsey actually stayed well past that time.
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  Speaker 1: That's because they ended up finding, when they're investigating, right,
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  Speaker 1: they find surveillance video of her.
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  Speaker 2: Is that ring footage or something?
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  Speaker 1: Well, they find surveillance video of her arriving back home
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  Speaker 1: at her dad's house around 12.40 a.m. on November 1st.
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  Speaker 1: So surveillance evidence reportedly showed a woman matching Kelsey's description
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  Speaker 1: of returning to her father's residence at approximately 12.40 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: on November 1st, leaving several hours unaccounted for. So she's
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  Speaker 1: claiming she left her grandmother's house at 7.30 p.m., which
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  Speaker 1: I guess would probably be the right time frame.
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  Speaker 2: But they don't have her showing up at home until
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  Speaker 2: five hours later.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: That's a long stretch of time.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Prosecutors also alleged that during that window, Kelsey attacked
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  Speaker 1: Doris using an open pair of scissors and a paperweight,
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  Speaker 1: Stabbing and striking her primarily in the head. So that's
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  Speaker 1: how her body. So she was found at the bottom
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  Speaker 1: of some stairs. So that's what we're going to get
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  Speaker 1: into a little bit later is the fact that she.
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  Speaker 1: They think that they got into some kind of argument
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  Speaker 1: or disagreement or fight. There was a physical fight up
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  Speaker 1: in a bedroom somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And that she used scissors and a paperweight.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Allegedly.
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  Speaker 2: All right. And a paperclip.
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  Speaker 1: Not a paperclip, but no, no paperclip.
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  Speaker 2: Just paperweight.
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  Speaker 1: Paperweight.
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  Speaker 2: Scissors.
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  Speaker 1: Scissors. All right, the Commonwealth's theory is that Doris was attacked,
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  Speaker 1: then dragged through her home where her body was eventually
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  Speaker 1: placed near the bottom of the stairs to make the
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  Speaker 1: death appear accidental. Oh, yeah. All right, we get to
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  Speaker 1: November 1st of 2022. So this is the day after
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  Speaker 1: the crime occurs. This is the discovery of the body.
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  Speaker 1: Kelsey told investigators that she returned to Doris's home the
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  Speaker 1: following morning and found her grandmother at the bottom of
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  Speaker 1: the basement stairs at approximately 10 a.m. So she returns
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  Speaker 1: to the crime scene. Yeah. And is like, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: my grandmother is at the bottom of the stairs. She
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  Speaker 1: claims that she freaked out and could not accept that
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  Speaker 1: Doris was dead and spent time lying beside her.
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  Speaker 2: Lying?
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  Speaker 1: Lying, like lying down.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, with a Y?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, with a Y. Lying with a Y. Lying down
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  Speaker 1: beside her grandmother.
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  Speaker 2: Why was she doing that?
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  Speaker 1: Because she didn't call 911 until 4 p.m. that day.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't even think she was the one that
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  Speaker 1: called 911. I think she eventually called her dad.
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  Speaker 2: So she's claiming to have laid down by her grandmother
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  Speaker 2: for seven hours or so?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, because there's a huge gap of time between her
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  Speaker 1: discovering the body of her grandmother dead at the bottom
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  Speaker 1: of the stairs and the time that 911 gets called.
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  Speaker 1: So in order for her to account.
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  Speaker 2: No, she spent that time cleaning upstairs. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: She had some bleach... Luminol? No, Luminol is for the detectives. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: that's right. She was cleaning the crime scene.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't until approximately 4 p.m., this is roughly six
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  Speaker 1: hours after she claims to have found Doris, that Kelsey
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  Speaker 1: contacted her father, Toby Cody, and then he was the
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  Speaker 1: one that actually called 911. She claims that she was
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  Speaker 1: just so distraught by the death of her grandmother that
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  Speaker 1: she was freaking out and that she just had to
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  Speaker 1: lay down next to her grandmother and cuddle, spoon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, the grandmother lived alone? Yes.
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  Speaker 1: She had lived with her husband, Ray, and then Ray
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  Speaker 1: had died previously.
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  Speaker 2: It's scissors and a paperweight. Yes. I imagine there's going
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  Speaker 2: to be lots of evidence to go against the she
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  Speaker 2: fell down the stairs. Probably.
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  Speaker 1: So when investigators arrive, this is what they found.
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  Speaker 2: Like the stab wounds, probably, from the scissors. Or the
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  Speaker 2: stab wounds.
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  Speaker 1: When investigators arrive, this is what they found. Bloody footprints
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  Speaker 1: and drag marks extending from the main living room hallway
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  Speaker 1: through the kitchen and down the basement stairs, suggesting that
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  Speaker 1: Doris's body had been moved and that she had not
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  Speaker 1: fallen down the stairs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Also, there was evidence found of a violent assault in
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  Speaker 1: an upstairs room away from where the body was actually found.
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  Speaker 1: And there were also signs that portions of the scene
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  Speaker 1: had been cleaned.
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 1: This is open and shut for you, right?
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah. I mean, what's her defense now? She's going
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  Speaker 2: to claim her grandmother was running with scissors, got hurt. Maybe. Bleeding,
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  Speaker 2: fell down the stairs.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but then what do you say about the paperweight?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. She was carrying a paperweight,
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  Speaker 2: running with scissors. I don't know. She drops paperweight.
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  Speaker 1: And then stabs herself with the scissors.
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  Speaker 2: And hit her head on the paperweight on the stairs,
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  Speaker 2: stabbing her way downstairs. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: You'd be a great defense attorney.
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  Speaker 2: No, because I'd be laughing the whole time. I'd be like, jury,
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  Speaker 2: please believe me when I tell you she ran with scissors.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: The nerve that people have.
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  Speaker 1: To try and stage something after the fact?
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  Speaker 2: Just like, yeah, you're really going to get away with this?
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  Speaker 1: Well, she doesn't deny cleaning up the crime scene. She
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  Speaker 1: claims that she was cleaning because she found blood when
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  Speaker 1: she arrived back in the morning and that she was
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  Speaker 1: cleaning it because her grandmother was a neat freak and.
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  Speaker 2: She wanted to clean it. Her grandmother was also alive
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  Speaker 2: and she liked to live. Should you think about that? No.
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  Speaker 1: Kelsey did not deny cleaning. She told investigators that she
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  Speaker 1: noticed blood in different areas. Some of it was dark
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  Speaker 1: or crustacean. and cleaned it because Doris was very particular
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  Speaker 1: about keeping her home clean.
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  Speaker 2: Coagulated.
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  Speaker 1: Investigators also searched Kelsey's vehicle and reportedly found trash bags
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  Speaker 1: containing bloody clothing and items believed to be potential weapons.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what I don't understand. She was cleaning her grandmother's house.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And she put it all in her car.
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  Speaker 1: She cleaned it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. My grandmother doesn't like DNA everywhere. And fingerprints.
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  Speaker 1: Why would she? First of all, this girl's young. I
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  Speaker 1: think she's only 26 when this crime occurred.
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  Speaker 2: It's early in her murder career. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: She's very early. This is her first murder.
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  Speaker 2: That we know of.
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  Speaker 1: That we know of.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: You're right. Here's what I don't understand. She's clearly trying
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  Speaker 1: to clean up the scene. Allegedly. Again, she hasn't been convicted.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But then when you take.
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  Speaker 2: No, she admitted she was cleaning the scene.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: You don't need to allege that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. But then when she takes the bloody clothing and
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  Speaker 1: puts it in a trash bag and then potential weapons
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  Speaker 1: possibly that were used in this attack and then puts
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  Speaker 1: them in her car, why does she not get rid
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  Speaker 1: of them before returning to the scene of the crime?
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  Speaker 1: She comes back at 10 o'clock in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: And cleans up. No, I think that was the next morning.
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  Speaker 2: She probably cleaned up that morning and put it in
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  Speaker 2: her car that morning. Like she didn't come back with it.
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  Speaker 2: She probably killed her grandma, left... Came back the next day.
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  Speaker 1: Cleaned up.
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  Speaker 2: And then cleaned up and put everything in her car.
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  Speaker 2: And then, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: And then calls her dad. I don't know. And says
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  Speaker 1: the grandmother was dead. And then he calls 911. And
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  Speaker 1: then 911 comes. And then she doesn't get rid of what.
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  Speaker 1: She takes.
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  Speaker 2: She didn't think they were going to search the car, clearly.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, she takes the time to clean up
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  Speaker 1: the scene. But then leaves all the evidence in her car.
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  Speaker 2: Right. She's going to mail it to the detective office.
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  Speaker 2: What's to even discuss about this case? She clearly did it.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Reddington.
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  Speaker 2: The five hour. I know. Why is Reddington taking this case?
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  Speaker 2: She has money?
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  Speaker 1: Well, her grandmother had a significant estate and she was
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  Speaker 1: the beneficiary. But again, we've always talked about with Slayer
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  Speaker 1: statues and things, if you can't access that money. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't know who's paying Kevin Reddington unless maybe her
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  Speaker 1: family has money. I don't know. But he's not doing
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  Speaker 1: it pro bono. Are you kidding me? So I don't
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  Speaker 1: know who's paying him. That was one of my questions.
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  Speaker 2: Do we know if she's in custody during the year
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  Speaker 2: that she had to wait for her attorney to be available?
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  Speaker 1: She's in custody, yes.
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  Speaker 2: She's in custody. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But Kevin Reddington hasn't had time to visit her or
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  Speaker 1: discuss strategy.
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  Speaker 2: He's been very... I don't know if you've seen the
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  Speaker 2: news lately, but I'm on a very big case right now.
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  Speaker 1: Very busy right now. So you are going to have
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  Speaker 1: to wait.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: The medical examiner's findings shifted the investigation significantly. The autopsy
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  Speaker 1: documented seven wounds primarily to the head, four sharp force
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  Speaker 1: injuries to the back of the skull, which the medical
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  Speaker 1: examiner told police would have required a sharp object. Not stairs,
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  Speaker 1: by the way.
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  Speaker 2: Or a paperweight.
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  Speaker 1: Bruising around the neck. forehead, face, and ear, and a
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  Speaker 1: sharp force injury to her thumb, which prosecutors said was
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  Speaker 1: consistent with a defensive wound, indicating that Doris tried to
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  Speaker 1: protect herself. On November 4th, 2022, this is only three days,
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  Speaker 1: or three to four days. Four days. I can do math.
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  Speaker 2: Math.
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  Speaker 1: Math. Four days later. Just four days after Doris's death,
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  Speaker 1: Kelsey Cote is single digit math.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Is arrested and charged with her grandmother's murder.
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  Speaker 1: November 7th, 2022 is her first court appearance. She appears
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  Speaker 1: in Northern Berkshire district court and pleads not guilty. Kevin
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  Speaker 1: Reddington is present as her defense attorney. So she hires
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Reddington or her family or whoever hired him immediately.
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  Speaker 1: Like he's there for her very first court hearing. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't know where the money's coming from to pay
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  Speaker 1: for him again. the prosecutors do believe that the possible
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  Speaker 1: motive could have been financial because I did read that
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  Speaker 1: the grandmother had assets and well over a million dollars
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  Speaker 1: as far as investments, accounts, her home.
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  Speaker 2: She was addicted to drugs. Then clearly money was and
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  Speaker 2: also necessary for her.
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  Speaker 1: I guess the grandma, and I don't know what the
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  Speaker 1: timing is on this because there's not a lot of
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  Speaker 1: details because obviously this is going to trial soon. So
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  Speaker 1: there's not a lot of details. But I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how she ended up becoming the beneficiary to her grandmother's
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  Speaker 1: estate and when.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: The case is presented to a grand jury, which returns
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  Speaker 1: an indictment. The case is elevated to Berkshire superior court.
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  Speaker 1: Kelsey faces three charges, first degree murder, assault with intent
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  Speaker 1: to murder and destruction of evidence.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: We know Kevin Reddington is representing her and we know
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  Speaker 1: she pleaded not guilty. So I'm very interested in what
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  Speaker 1: the defense is.
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  Speaker 2: She doesn't have a defense.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, is the defense really going to be the
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  Speaker 1: grandmother fell down the stairs?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it can't be anymore. There's too much evidence against that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you could go with that.
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  Speaker 2: It would be malpractice. It would be terrible.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Kelsey is arraigned in Berkshire Superior Court and
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  Speaker 1: again pleads not guilty. She appears in court in a
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  Speaker 1: wheelchair due to lingering effects of her prior ATV foot
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  Speaker 1: injury and is seen mouthing, I love you to family
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  Speaker 1: members in the courtroom. I wonder what her family thinks
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  Speaker 1: because it's her dad's mother. So I wonder, I wonder
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  Speaker 1: who's paying for the defense, why she's pleading not guilty,
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  Speaker 1: what the defense is going to be. I mean, she's
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  Speaker 1: pleading not guilty.
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  Speaker 2: What would you think? What would you think if it
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  Speaker 2: was your family member that was dead as a result?
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  Speaker 2: And then, and then they investigate another family member. And
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  Speaker 2: then you have the same thing. You have blood traces everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: You have all these scissor wounds, a paperweight at issue, uh,
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  Speaker 2: And it doesn't look like she fell down the stairs
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  Speaker 2: and she was claiming to be there for four hours
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  Speaker 2: or seven hours and all the evidence is in the car.
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  Speaker 2: Her grandma's a neat freak, so she cleaned it up.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: What would you think? Would you think, yeah, you're probably
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: not guilty. Okay, let's get a defense attorney. Or do
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: you think that they're guilty?
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: No, I would think that they were guilty.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: So how in the heck could this family think that
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: she's not guilty?
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: Maybe they do. Maybe she's convinced them that it was
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: somebody else. An intruder.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. That's crazy. I wouldn't believe it.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: At the hearing, DA Timothy Chagrou publicly details the prosecution's
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: evidence and alleged motive telling the Berkshire Eagle, this is
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: a publication, that we have a lot of significant information
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: from the Google searches that she was planning out how
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: to kill her grandmother. Those searches allegedly included questions about,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: this is a quote, this is one of her Google searches.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Here we go.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: The soft parts of the head. And the role of
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: a medical examiner.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: How big does a paperweight need to be to murder
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: someone with blunt force trauma?
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: The DA also alleges that Kelsey's father had installed ring
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: cameras inside Doris's home and that Kelsey turned them on
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: and off and moved them around during the time of
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: the killing. So there's some evidence. I'm sure there's a
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: lot more evidence. It's just not released at this time
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: because they're going to go to trial. But I would assume...
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: If she has defensive wounds and there's a lot of
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: blood and she was cleaning up the scene, they're going
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: to find Kelsey's DNA. Well, I mean, she did go
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: to the house, so obviously her DNA is going to
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: be there, but they're probably going to find blood DNA
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: mixed with the grandmother's DNA, I would assume. Maybe there's
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: DNA under the fingernails because there's defensive wounds.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Maybe so.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to follow this case, this trial, because one,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I want to know what her defense is. And two,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: I want to know what all the evidence is besides
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: just the little bit of information that's been released about
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: the autopsy, possible motive.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Right. The blood found. Maybe scissors they found.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Were the scissors on the car?
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Were the scissors found in the car?
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: I wonder. I don't know. You know, when I was
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: a store investigator and we suspected the manager of stealing cash.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, wait, at Target? Yeah.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Cash. Like, Tens of thousands, right? Like, I think at
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: this point, he had like 30,000 was missing. So he
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: knew where the cameras were. So when we weren't there,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: because you're not there the whole time, he knew where
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: the cameras were. He could, one, go around the cameras
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: and avoid them if he needed to. And two, he
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: would actually come into our camera room, our office. He
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: was the only one that had a key besides us.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: And he would turn off a camera or he would
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: delete or something. And this is all old school cassette tapes. Anyway,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: so what we did was we put fake cameras out.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: So he thought those were the cameras that were recording him.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: But we knew he would turn those off or move
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: them around. And we put hidden cameras. And then we
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: got him that way.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: And he was stealing money?
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, he was. Of course he was. He came
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: into the office. And that's where we had secret cameras
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: showing him meddling with the camera equipment oh and then
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: we had it was really old school we had a
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: fake camera somewhere we sometimes you had fake cameras just
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: to look like you're wait is this.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: For the shoppers just to deter them.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah and then we put a real camera inside the
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: fake camera because he knew it was a fake camera oh.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: He knew it was a fake camera.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah anyway they so they put these ring cameras around
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: the house she's moving them and playing with them Although
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: they didn't know, but had they known, they should have
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: put a real camera hidden that she didn't know about.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: So she'd move the decoys, but she wouldn't move the
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: real one.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: But here's my question. Were they putting ring cameras in
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: the house because they suspected that she was doing something wrong?
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Or did they just put ring cameras in the house
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: because Doris is 74, lives alone, and that was a
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: way to.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Have some protection? It's a good question, but I guess
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: as parents get older and stuff, you probably tend to
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: put cameras and stuff to help remotely kind of take
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: care of them.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I feel like you need to put, you should probably,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: put some cameras in your parents house they have cameras
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: i did no like inside can you check on them
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: just like wandering around no they're on the outside.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Of their house yeah yeah for security reasons right.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Um I feel like you have to, when you tell
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: these target stories, I feel like you have to give
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: a little more background information. Shane was a criminal justice major, right?
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: And then one of your first jobs out of college was,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: what's it called? Risk management or something?
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, asset management.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Asset management at Target. And it was one of his
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: favorite jobs.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was his best job.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Because he has so many stories.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was good. It didn't pay very well.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: It didn't pay very well.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: You can only grow so much. You can't do much
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: about that.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: So anyway, that was one of your risk management stories.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: But how did you know initially that the manager was
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: stealing money? What was the tip off?
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Cash was disappearing. It's been a while, but cash was
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: disappearing from the register. And then when you went and
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: looked at the cameras and everything to see what was
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: going on, after a while, you start to realize it's
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: always when so-and-so is on shift. It's always like when
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: we're not there. And always the cameras happen to be
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: like shut off or the tape ran out or something. Yeah.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: That's very interesting.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Good job.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: He had a gambling problem.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: And he took $ 30, 000?
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Well, over time, yeah.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: The case proceeds slowly through pretrial litigation with multiple delays.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: The significant factor, which we talked about before, is because
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Kevin Reddington is simultaneously the lead defense attorney in the
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: high-profile Lindsay Clancy trial in Plymouth County, and a scheduled
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: proceeding for Kelsey Cote is continued while he is occupied
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: with the Lindsay Clancy case. Now we get to early 2025.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Prosecutors announced that they found relevant evidence on Kelsey's cellular devices,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: a detail highlighted by the Berkshire County DA's office as
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: significant to the case. I don't know what the relevant
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: evidence on her cellular devices. Maybe it's just her movement.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's text messages or something. I mean,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I know we know that she has Google searches of.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Soft parts of head and medical examiners. So that doesn't
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: look good. Now that the Lindsay Clancy trial is over
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: for the most part, even though we don't know what's
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: going to happen with that, on September 4th, 2026, this
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: case is starting to resume again. Reddington speaks to reporters
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: outside the Plymouth Courthouse in regards to his client, Kelsey Cote.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: And he says, quote, She is a very nice young lady.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: I'm ready to go on that too. And they've been
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: very patient. So between Lindsay and Kelsey, I'll get it done.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: End quote. So there's Kevin Reddington.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Big talk, huh?
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: He's ready. He's ready to defend Kelsey Cote. So I'm
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: interested to see what happens with that. The next court date.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: This is interesting.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: So.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Kelsey is scheduled to appear in Berkshire Superior Court for
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: a suppression hearing. This is not the trial. She's not
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: doesn't have a trial date yet. But you know, there's
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: many pre trial motions before a trial. So one of
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: the pre trial motions that she has a hearing on
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: this is on this is scheduled for September 28, is
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: a suppression hearing. Now suppression hearing is Obviously, Kevin Reddington,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: some of the evidence that they've collected in this investigation,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: they're having... I don't know the details of the suppression hearing.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think any details have come out.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: It's likely all of the blood and the murder weapons.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: He's clearly challenging.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Your Honor, this will clearly affect the outcome of this case.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: I would like it all suppressed. We need to eliminate
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: all the DNA. Right.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: So it will be interesting during the suppression hearing to
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: see what evidence... he says should be suppressed and on
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: what grounds.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: That will be interesting.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: That will be interesting. So we will see after that hearing,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: obviously there isn't a lot of detail about that right now. Um,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: this is a pretrial proceeding in which Reddington will argue
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: that certain evidence should be excluded from the trial. The
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: specific evidence has not been publicly confirmed. So like we said,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: we don't know what that is yet. All right.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: So given the.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Scope of the evidence in this case, Kelsey's statements to investigators,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: physical evidence from the home, her vehicle and surveillance footage,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Google search history, ring camera footage, cell phone data and
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: financial records.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: That's got to be a great job where you look
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: at you just you're the forensic guy on the phones.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: You just download people's phones. Cause then you see even
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: like non-criminal stuff. That's probably pretty crazy.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: You see the videos, you see all the text messages.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Nothing's suppressed. You see it all.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: That would be, that's a good job.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: That's the job you want.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You want that job? Just download people's phones and
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: just like peruse through it. Yep.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: So those are all the things that that's all the
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: evidence that they're building against her. In this case, this
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: hearing will likely offer the first meaningful public window into
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: the defense strategy before a jury is ever seated. So
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: that's interesting. The suppression hearing will probably maybe give a
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: little idea as to what the defense's strategy is going
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: to be. This hearing is interesting. So this is September 28th.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: He has a suppression hearing in the Kelsey Cody case.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: We will follow that because I want to know what
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: the evidence is. I want to know what the defense
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: strategy is. I want to know who's paying for Kevin Reddington,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: but obviously that's not going to come out in the
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: suppression hearing. But there's a lot of things to learn
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: from this hearing. This is a busy man because then
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: September 29th, the following day, he has Lindsay Clancy is
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: scheduled to appear in Plymouth Superior Court where it may
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: be determined whether she will face a second murder trial
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: or not. Putting Reddington at the center of two major
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Massachusetts cases simultaneously. So September 28th is Kelsey Cody, September 29th.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: A lot of people, I saw a lot of things
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: posted online because I don't think people understand, but they
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: kept saying her trial, talking about Lindsay Clancy. They were
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: saying things like people were posting things like Lindsay Clancy's
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: trial begins September 29th. That is not what it is.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: What is it?
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: It's a status hearing. That's when the prosecutors are going
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: to say whether they are going to retry her. So
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: it is not a trial. It is not a second trial.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: It's a status on the charges against her.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: It is a status hearing as to where they stand currently.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: And I assume at that time the prosecution is going
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: to say whether they are going to retry her.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: They're going to retry her.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: You think?
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's such a big case to be like, oh, well,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Well, that's why I thought maybe they were going to
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: offer some kind of plea bargain. Oh, yeah.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: We'll see.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: We'll see. All right, so we're going to follow those
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: cases and we will continue to give updates on Kelsey
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Cote and also on what happens at the status hearing
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: for Lindsay Clancy. All right, guys, thank you so much
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