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#235 - What Nick Fuentes Gets WRONG About Christianity and Israel · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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Good afternoon, everyone. My name is Brandon Fogel. You are watching Evolution,
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the only legitimate evolution there is.
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Today, we're going to be talking about Nick Fuentes and his views on Israel,
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and are they valid or not, and should we embrace them?
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So what's being presented as Christian rhetoric is actually a theological inversion.
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Judaism is being reframed as the enemy of Christianity rather than its foundation.
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This inversion is not representative of Christianity as a whole,
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and is historically distorted. Before we go any further, I want to remind you
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I might even go through some of your comments in this show, but we're going
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to really be getting into the weeds today.
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I don't know if you're a person that likes to get into the weeds.
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At times it can be good, but we are going to get into the weeds,
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so I want to let you know ahead of time for that.
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This is going to be very specific and what we're going to focus in on because
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it's not just general talking about Israel and this whole divide that is happening
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within the West and this uprising of people, of young men primarily,
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that are being told that Israel is the enemy of everyone.
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And before I go any further, I am not being paid by Israel. I've never received
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anything from a Jewish person.
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These are just my views, pure and simple. If I start getting paid by Israel,
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I'll let you know. This is just what I think.
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I'm not like, this is where I stand. I'm not moving.
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This is just what I think. This is what I believe. We're going to get into what
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I think, what Nick Fuentes does.
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And I respect him a lot. I really admire him in a lot of ways.
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I watch his show constantly. I agree with a lot of the things he says.
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He says a lot of things that are correct.
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What I disagree with him, which you could say is the primary point of his show
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is Israel. So that's kind of where I, I'm not on the same page with him and the Jewish people.
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And it's, it's very specific because he's right.
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There is organized Jewelry. There is, this is, there is a thing that is happening in our world.
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But where I stand, I come from the point of view that I believe that Israel
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is God's chosen people, that they are the chosen people of God,
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you know, but they do things wrong. They're not perfect. This is a Fuentes updates.
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Any Protestant claiming whoever blesses Israel will be blessed and whoever curses
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Israel will be cursed is not recognizing the new covenant of Jesus Christ.
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Judaism in Israel, although it's the same people, they're practicing an altogether
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different religion. So this is when the whole Ted Cruz, Tucker Carlson had their
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whole podcast conversation together that went, you know, went on fire and Ted Cruz, he just.
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Said the party line and that he stands with Israel kind of
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like if anyone's watching this probably thinks that I'm saying the same thing
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as well but I'm not being paid by Israel you know you might just think
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I'm just stupid that way but I'm not I just
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I I I stand with him in a lot of ways and I want to be very like careful and
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nuanced how I'm saying this and how I'm saying this I'm not trying to just ruffle
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anyone's feathers and I'm not trying to just thank you you want say I'm just
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a stupid goy that's bought into this I'm not I I agree with a lot of things are saying,
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but let's just actually just jump into this conversation because this is Nick's reaction to this.
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And I want to kind of boil this down because he brings up the new covenant.
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A little fact about me. I'm a little nerdy, a little Bible nerdy.
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I always kind of sometimes funnel things to the Bible. I always funnel things
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to God. I'm really theologically minded.
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That's what I think about. I think that's where I go. I'm just a nerd in that way.
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All right, let's dive into this. Let's see what Nick has to say.
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The rebuttal to this issue is that, of course, if you're a Christian, there is a New Testament,
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and the Testament is a covenant, the Old Testament, the New Testament,
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the Old Covenant, the New Covenant.
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And they're the covenants that God made with Noah and with Abraham and with Isaac and so on.
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And with Moses, there's a covenant that God made with the Jewish nation and the Jewish kingdom.
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And then there's a covenant that God made with mankind when Jesus
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Christ arrived in the New testament the new covenant so
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if you're familiar with what he's talking about he breaks down the because the
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bible is full of covenants and that's a real thing it and that's it's it's god's
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making these covenant with people specific people at specific times in history
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for a reason what just happened and he's making it sometimes it's.
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An agreement that God has to meet certain conditions. And then the other party
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has to meet certain conditions.
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And then there's times where it's God fully. He's going to do it.
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It has nothing to do with the other side, keeping their side of the agreement.
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He brings up the new covenant, which most people are just familiar with that.
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The new covenant, because Jesus comes and he says at the Last Supper,
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this is my blood of the new covenant, which he's making. He's shedding for all mankind.
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And what people think about that, that is specifically for everyone,
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that he's making that covenant with everyone.
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But who he's talking to are Jews. He's talking to his apostles who are Jews.
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And they would have been familiar. So this is from actually in Jeremiah,
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in the Old Testament, because this is where this is the crux of the matter,
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because Nick is Catholic.
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And it seems like a lot of times that Catholics, they're not as entrenched in
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the Bible as some other people, as people that are familiar with,
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they just go and are told what to think about the Bible as opposed to getting it to themselves.
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And every time I hear him talk to somebody or someone bring up the Bible or
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scripture or theological thing, he quickly dismisses it. He doesn't really want
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to go down that road at all.
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He doesn't even think it's worth his time. It feels like I might be completely wrong.
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I might be reading the room wrong and how he feels. I don't know.
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I'm just have my perception.
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But if we really get into it, because I think sometimes Catholics,
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they just count some of the scriptures and they think the Old Testament,
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since the New Testament is here, the Old Testament is done away with.
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Because we're trained to think that anything that's new is good.
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Anything that's old is, you know, that's old news. I don't need to know that.
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I don't need to worry about that anymore. But if we really want to get down
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to it, the ancient things and what has lasted for the longest time almost have more credibility.
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And a lot of times the Bible is built off the foundation, which is the books
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of Moses, the first five books.
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That's the foundation of everything. When Jesus was walking around,
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he didn't have a Bible. Like he didn't have like,
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The New Testament, the writings about his life, they were yet to be written
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and he was actually living it out.
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So all they would have known was the New Testament. That's all they had.
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And once Jesus Christ arrived, it changed everything.
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And not only was Israel replaced, not only was the old Israel replaced by the
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new Israel. That's what my shirt says.
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He's going to use the word. And this is really pulling back the veil.
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He's using that word replaced over and over repeatedly replaced.
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The old Israel was the Jewish nation. The new Israel is the body of the church, the Christians.
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But everything was transformed. The old sacrifice of animals was replaced by
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the sacrifice of the Lamb of God, Jesus.
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The old temple, which was in Jerusalem in Israel, was replaced with the new
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temple, which is the church, which is Jesus.
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The old priestly... See, right now, a lot of people that would be listening
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to Nick, because it feels like you just take what he says as authority.
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Like that, that what he is saying is nothing more can be said.
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He said it, it's done, finished.
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And that they just say, oh yeah, that's, that's right. But is what he's saying, is it correct?
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Did all these things, did Jesus come and just this new like movement,
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did it just replace and do away with everything in the past that had been building
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up to this, his whole life, everything written about him was pointing towards him.
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Did he come and then it's all done away with, forget about it.
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The whole 10 commandments kind of thing, all those laws, everything about Israel,
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the covenants and all that.
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I would argue that the new covenant itself hasn't even actually began.
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He inaugurated it in a sense and he, with his blood spilling on the cross,
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but it's not going to happen because the things that are promised in the new
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covenant, when you actually get into it and read all the promises about it,
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they haven't been realized.
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And it's like, as Christians, we're waiting for those, we're like reaching ahead
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into that new era, that new period in time that we see everything's going to be perfect.
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Jesus is going to establish a kingdom here on earth, literally,
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physically, in our life.
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We're going to see him ruling and reigning, that he's making peace between everyone.
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We don't walk outside and see peace done and made with everyone.
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So it hasn't truly actually began.
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But it's like we can reach ahead into that time period. The class was replaced
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by the new priestly class. The old everything was replaced by the new everything.
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And that's why the temple was destroyed. The veil was torn. The temple was destroyed.
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The Jews were scattered. This
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is all pursuant to what Christ said in the gospel, in the New Testament.
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I don't know how familiar he is with actually, if he's read through the first
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five books of Moses, the Genesis through Deuteronomy.
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Because when you really get down to it, The covenant that was made with Israel
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at Mount Sinai, it was that if you keep your side of the agreement, I'm going to bless you.
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You're going to have this land. You're going to live and prosper.
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Everything's going to go great for you. But if you don't, you're going to be
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cursed and you're going to be thrown out.
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But then there are promises that you will be brought back to this land.
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It's like a prophecy that it will happen.
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And people that just hear Nick, they're not familiar with what it actually says.
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They're not familiar. They haven't read through it or they've just kind of said,
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oh, that's just the old news. Jesus came.
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He did away with it. When, if you really got down to who Jesus is,
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he wouldn't say that he's just done away with, in fact, he said the exact opposite.
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He did. He's not going to do away with any of it, but it's, it is fulfilled in him.
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He he's the one who carried out and lived out the perfect life we can't live and died for us.
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But it's not that all those commandments, everything, those promises are just,
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you know, that's the thing of the past.
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We're moving on to the new man. It's not that because the two could not go on in parallel.
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Temple worship and temple sacrifice in the old Jewish nation representing that
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old covenant could not exist simultaneously parallel with the new covenant,
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the new temple, the new sacrifice, the new church,
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one had to be destroyed.
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And that's why the Roman empire destroyed the temple in 70 AD.
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And then in the second century, the Jews were scattered.
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It was a judgment that happened. It was a judgment that, that God allowed to
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happen because his people were obviously unfaithful as a whole,
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as a collective whole in rejecting the Messiah.
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As you can see, I'm not going to be really that people that are Jewish,
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people that are of Israel, that are of Israel, They're not going to look at
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me as like too, too thrilled when I'm saying that them rejecting Jesus as the Messiah.
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That was a terrible, awful thing. And that's why God's righteous judgment came
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upon you and came upon them and scattered them throughout the entire world.
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We're going to actually jump up here to a little bit different angle,
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but it's certainly also interesting.
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This is, Fuentes responds to the theological argument for supporting Israel.
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It says, they say the religion is alive and the Messiah is yet to come.
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Who will inhabit the third temple and sit in the Holy of Holies on sight?
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It sounds like the Antichrist.
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Well, I mean, that is, there is some truth there. I don't take it as a good omen.
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When you say there's like a theological significance to the Jews retaining their
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religion ostensibly and then coming back to the Holy Land, I see it as actually
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a very dark omen. because of course, you know, we talk about Iran's eschatological
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views about the 12th Imam and the Makhti and all this.
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We don't talk about the Jews, which is in order for them to practice their religion,
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they need to reestablish temple worship. In order to have temple worship,
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they need another temple.
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And this is not exactly a fringe idea in Israel. They talk about sacrificing
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these red heifers, these perfect red heifers.
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And then ultimately one of the goals of the religious Zionists is to take out
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the mosque, the Al-Aqsa Mosque, and rebuild the third temple.
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And this is sort of terrifying because it undoes what the caller said.
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It undoes what Christ did, which was to destroy the temple because there's a
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new sacrifice, which is him, the Lamb of God.
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There's a new temple. There's a new church, new priests. There's a new law.
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And then they were sent out. Now that they've returned, it's almost like it's working in reverse.
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They've returned to the land. And then, you know, it might point towards maybe
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they're going to rebuild the temple. And who will inhabit the temple.
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The Jews say that our religion is dead because Christ is dead,
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they say. They say their religion is alive and their Messiah is yet to come.
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Who will inhabit the third temple and sit in the Holy of Holies on the site?
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It sounds like the Antichrist.
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So, you know, and this is just sort of my speculation on this,
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but I mean, I sort of agree in a sense that you can't say it doesn't have theological
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significance, but I sort of tremble and fear what that represents.
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I don't see it as a good thing.
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And that's a valid point. And it really, it is going to be, when you really
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get down to it, it is weird because it's like we're trying, we want God's promise
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to like happen and we want Israel to come back into their land.
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I know a lot of people don't care about that. And it does seem like that,
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as we can see in Revelation, there is this Antichrist figure that is kind of ruling and reigning.
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Paul says that the Antichrist will step into the temple and declare himself to be God.
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But it's not like we want the Antichrist to be here, or we want the Antichrist
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to kill people and just rule and reign.
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That's the opposite of what Christians want. But it's not to say that there
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is value in what God had promised to the nation of Israel when he made a covenant with him.
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If they were faithful, he would put them in their land.
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He would put them in their land and he would bless them.
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I am a person that is America first.
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I believe in America first because I'm a Gentile of the nation,
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of the nation of America, and I care what's the interest of America.
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So there is some separation and disconnect where I stand on the Bible and I
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believe what the Bible says because you cannot just throw away those promises,
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what God said to the nation when he was making that covenant with them.
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You cannot just throw that away because that is there that, and it's the prophecy
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that it would come to fruition, that, that, that was their blessing.
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And they are, they are the centerpiece of this whole, this whole thing,
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this whole set, this stage that we're on.
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Israel is kind of like the center, the apple of God's eye, that everything revolves around.
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It's kind of, there is this radial theology that we all experience.
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The Israel is at the center, but they're, they're in, they're in hostility and
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not accepting their Messiah.
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And that's the whole disconnect that's happening right now.
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This is the times of the Gentiles that we're ruling and reigning.
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It's like, it's not just to support Israel, just to support them.
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But what I see what Nick's doing and a lot of things that he's kind of driving
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at, he's coming at it from the Catholic mindset, the Catholic mindset.
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And I want to get into this a little bit with Catholicism and Protestantism.
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And I wouldn't even call myself a Protestant, but I mean, there is this hostility
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and distrust and like distaste.
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It's almost like this more recent girlfriend that the Catholic church had of
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these people that left the church and are no longer there that happened in the
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1500s, that they're no longer there.
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So they almost have like, you were riding with me this long. I can't even stand you.
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I can't stand you. Like there's more of a fresh hatred. When they quickly throw
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away and forget, they'll embrace like people that are Orthodox,
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but they forget that there was a schism that happened back in around like the 10th century.
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I think it was like 1051 AD that that happened.
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But just because it's not as fresh, it's like there's much more distaste for
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people that are Protestants.
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Again, I'm not Protestant. I, I, I, I, these are all these artificial lines
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and labels that we create and we throw upon us and we say, well,
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what are you? What do you actually believe?
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Do you think if you went to the apostles and asked them, are you Catholic?
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Are you, are you Presbyterian? Are you Orthodox? They wouldn't be saying these things.
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If we really get down to it, like if we want to be just New Testament Christians
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and like in their mindset, because like the Catholic church,
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they hammer home on that.
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They have the authority because the Petrine succession, that Peter's line of
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succession has come through the popes.
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And that's where, that's where it stands and ends.
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That's where they, they'll die on that hill where it's like,
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when you really get into it, it becomes very fuzzy and blurry.
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It's like, they've just claimed that name of Peter and said,
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Peter's our guy. He's with us.
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You know, nobody else can have him. You can't have him. He's ours. And we got it.
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Nobody else. Where, when you really take that line of succession,
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it gets really fuzzy and blurry.
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The closer you get to Peter and the actual apostles,
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and it happens like within a hundred, a couple hundred years later after the
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apostles, that they start developing this whole Roman potpourri,
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this whole Roman idea of that's where the authority lies.
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And I'm a person, I think that they were doing things right in a lot of ways,
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but it's not just pure gold.
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What they say was the gospel. It wasn't.
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It was Christians doing the best they could. And then people wanted to have
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authority and people, they wanted to consolidate that authority and they put
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it on the most powerful empire in the world, the Roman empire.
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You, I mean, it's like something happening in the backwoods,
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you know, of this far off town that like nobody knows about.
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And something amazing happens, like you say in Jerusalem or something,
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but like, but then there's this big city, big city living, New York and people,
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the people over here, they want to find out, well, what do the New Yorkers think about that?
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You know, what do they really think about that? Because they're the cool ones.
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And so they, everything kind of just flows its way to New York city where everything's
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cool and jumping and jiving as in the same thing was happening back in the day,
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all those years back in the,
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in when reality, the hub, the, the, the holy city, the king,
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the city that belongs to the king is Jerusalem.
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But it's like the Roman Catholic Church, they've kind of just usurped that.
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They've taken the reins and they've said, nope, we got it. And we got it over here in Rome.
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And I don't want to be like, I'm not like they're doing everything wrong because
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I've said over and over, I am a person that I am very drawn to Catholicism.
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I like Catholicism a lot. I like, I love their structure. I love the way they do things.
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I don't agree with everything that they stand on, but it's where they say,
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we're the church, which I mean, if you really got into it and you got into Nick
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Fuentes and any really a real Roman Catholic,
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they would say, if you're not in the church, are you going to make it to heaven? I don't know.
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I don't know about you. I don't know about you. We got the keys.
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So we'll find out. We'll let Peter sort that all out later.
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And when actuality, it's Jesus is the one. He's the decider,
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the decider in truth and faith.
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He's the one who's going to decide who comes into his kingdom.
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And really, ultimately, it's by faith. And I think it's clearly delineated in
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the Bible, in the scriptures, it's by faith, trust in Jesus.
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It's, is it faith or faithfulness? Is it faith or faithfulness?
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We kind of go back and forth.
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Well, I'll just answer that with a yes.
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Yes, it is faith and it is faithfulness. However, the faith is on our part.
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The faithfulness is on God's part. That's the difference.
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It's, and that's, that's the nuance that the apostle Paul uses in his letters
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where he keeps saying the faith of Christ.
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We're justified by faith of Christ. It's just faith of Christ.
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It's kind of this play in words. It's like we're justified by our faith.
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That's what makes us whole.
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But it's his faithfulness that saves us.
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That's the situation that we're in. And it has nothing to do with our works.
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We contribute nothing.
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The only works that would, our works would only throw us into hell even more
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if we really boiled it down and really got into it.
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Our works would only throw us into further and further outer darkness.
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If we really wanted to die on that hill.
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Our works are like filthy rags before a holy God. So, but it's,
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it's faith. It's our faith, our trust in Jesus.
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That's, that's the instrumental cause that saves us.
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And even that itself is a gift.
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Even that itself is given to us. But it's when you realize and you recognize
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that you are, you are in a dire situation.
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You are, you deserve judgment and hell. and you're out there drowning in the
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water and there's no way you can save yourself.
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Your hands are tied behind your back, your feet are tied together and you're
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being sunk to the bottom of the ocean and you have no chance of saving yourself. You're gonna die.
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But then someone throws you a life raft and you can't even lift your arms up to grab that raft.
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Rather, God reaches in, he grabs your arm, throws it over the raft,
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pulls you up. That's salvation.
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That's how it's done. It has nothing to do. It's not going to a priest and just
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really pouring your heart out before God and saying, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.
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And that's what saves you. And then God's like, are you sorry enough?
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You're sorry enough? No, I don't think you're sorry enough.
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No, it's not your repentance that saves you. It's not even like your ability
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to contribute anything. It's fully him.
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And this is where we get into like, who's in the game and who's not?
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Are you in or you're out? Are you in or you're out?
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No, you're already in. You're in. I'm just thinking about the rock and that
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one guy, you know, Kevin Hart.
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No, you're already in. But that's where we're at.
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And this thing with what Nick is doing with the Roman Catholic,
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he's using that, which I think he doesn't fully understand what he's talking about.
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And he doesn't want to go there in a lot of ways with the theology and getting
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into the Bible because he wants to just be told what the Bible tells him by
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people that have studied it, which that is a good thing.
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There's people that have greater knowledge, that have spent more time pouring
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their heart and life and soul into it and know more about it.
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And they teach That's why they're called teachers.
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So that is a good thing. But it's like, if you're just going to die on that
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and you really don't, what you're promoting and pushing this,
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this whole, this, this vehement movement of hating,
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it's not hating the Jews because he doesn't hate that. And he's very,
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he's very specific about that.
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He doesn't hate them. He doesn't hate anyone, but he's, he's misguidingly leading
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people astray by not really understanding who these people are.
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Because there is a very specific situation and responsibility and a requirement
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that they have that they are covenantally obligated to the God of Israel.
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That's why it's called the God of Israel.
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He's the God of Israel. And God doesn't forget. He doesn't just,
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something comes along and I'm just going to move on to something else.
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I'm going to start a whole new
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thing. We're going to forget about all that stuff I said back in the day.
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We're going to move on to something fresh and new. He doesn't do that.
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He doesn't need to do that.
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God is eternal. It's not like he's like, I need to start this whole thing over. I think I fudged up.
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I made a mistake and I need to
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do something better. So he goes ahead and creates, oh, the new covenant.
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Rather, the new covenant builds upon the old covenant, which he made.
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So where are we going with this?
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I think it's just with Nick, I appreciate what he's doing. And he certainly got the airwaves.
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He's got clarity of thought. He's able to articulate this and drive the masses.
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He's able to galvanize people, but he's galvanizing them in a wrong way.
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But I don't know if it's going to be his pride or where he's at now.
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To back off on this. I don't know if he's going to want to back off because he might be too in deep.
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He might feel like he's too in deep. You might like this, this goes to a real
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issue. Whenever you've done something wrong, it's hard to go back.
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It's hard to go back. It's hard to even think about going back.
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And it's like, you just want to get, you have to go deeper and deeper.
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And it's hard to dig yourself out.
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And we've all been there. I've I'm, I'm there all the time.
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I feel like that. You know, it's like, I can't stop now. I just gotta,
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I gotta keep going. I can't reverse course.
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And I think he's not, it's like, if I talk to Nick, he's not going to say,
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oh, you're right. I'm going to change what I believe.
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I'm going to change what I think. Only God can change what he, and what is the truth?
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If you really get down to the Bible and you want to actually know what the word
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of God says, because otherwise it's just opinions and just views,
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different views conflicting.
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And everybody says whatever's on their mind. And we're just in this world that's
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just chaotic and nothing makes sense.
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Confusion, like everyone just confused as hell. They don't know anything.
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Rather, when you get to Jesus, it's Jesus says, as it is written,
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the written word is what matters.
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The written word has final authority. What the Bible says is final authority, period.
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Nothing, nothing more, nothing less case closed.
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And I think that is where we need to get back to this.
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We need to get back to just this whole mindset that of, if we come back to our
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roots and if you say, you want to just go to the roots of the apostles,
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the New Testament, what did they believe?
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What was their final question to Jesus as he's ready to ascend to heaven?
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They said to him, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?
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That was the final thing on their mind.
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That was the last thing, the question that they could bring themselves to ask.
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You have one question to ask Jesus. That's what you ask?
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There might be a reason for that. It's because at some time in the future,
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he is going to restore the kingdom of Israel.
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And that is when the New Testament, the new covenant is officially going to be instituted.
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I mean, it was instituted in a way when Jesus did it, you know,
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when it's the last supper, you know, but really when it's going to be just fully
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fleshed out, when it's going to be actually happening, it's going to be in that
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New Testament area when Jesus is ruling and reigning on this earth.
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Israel is going to be at the hub, the center, ruling and reigning.
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That's what people probably in that time period aren't going to be too happy.
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They're not going to be as super happy when all this Jewish stuff is happening,
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all this Israel stuff is happening. I can't stand this Israel stuff.
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I just want all this other, you know, this pagan Goy crap, you know?
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Which, I mean, it's not terrible to be a Goy. Goy just means you're of the nations.
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You're of the nations. You're not Jewish, which there is an awesome thing about
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that. We get to join ourselves to the king of the Jews.
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That's where we're at. And it's like at that time in history,
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when that's all fleshed out and we're actually living in the kingdom,
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we do see in the revelation that there's going to be this, this disgruntled
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people. They're going to be like that.
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Satan's going to be released from the pit and he's going to circle them all
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up again. And then they're going to be that final destroy.
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They're going to come up to the gates of Jerusalem and they're going to be finally
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incinerated and destroyed.
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This is the legit. I mean, we can talk about the news all day long.
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We want, we can talk about sports and all this stuff. that just fluff out there
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just makes, that just takes our time and attention.
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But when we get down to it, we're going to have to lay our head on our pillow.
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We're going to have to lay our final rest and we're going to eventually all stand before God.
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We can distract ourselves all we want, but eventually we're going to stand before the creator.
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And he has a specific covenant with the nation of Israel. That's the new covenant.
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As I read earlier, he makes it with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.
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He didn't make it with the house of America or the house of Russia or the house of China.
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China. He didn't make it with all of these other nations. He made it with that specific nation.
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So we can't just usurp it and take it upon ourselves.
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We're making the structure wrong. We're moving things and putting things on
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top when they're not supposed to be there.
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We got to know our place, but it's not like to say, as America,
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we can run our nation. This is our nation.
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America first. Yes, America first. We don't want any foreign government entangling
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us and trying to distract us and leading us ways that we don't want to go.
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100%. We should be doing what's our interest. But really recognizing in the
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future, we are going to come under the banner of Israel. in that future, when Jesus returns.
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So recognizing that. And I would like to say all this to Nick.
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I know he might not receive it well because he is entrenched in this Catholic faith.
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Replacement, supersessionism ideology that the church has replaced Israel.
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The Jews are done away with. And that's just not biblical.
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All right. Well, we'll leave it at that. I hope you all have a wonderful day.
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I hope this brings some clarity.
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These are just the things that are on my mind. And it's very specific.
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It's not just about Israel being influenced on our government.
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He has a lot to say about that. And I stand with him and I agree with him.
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A lot of things. Israel doesn't need to be influencing our way of life at this point.
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You know, we can do what's in our interest, but there is, if we get down to
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the root of it, to the heart of the issue,
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I think he is misguided because he's on an untrue foundation,
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what he's building his whole ideology on, his whole standpoint and worldview on.
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All right, we'll leave it at that. I hope you have a great rest of your day,
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rest of your weekend. Leave a comment. Let me know what you think about the show and have a good day.