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YouTube Mom Ruby Franke in Court, Blames Her Little Children for Sex Abuse, Porn · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, incredibly famous YouTuber, a mommy vlogger,
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Speaker 1: Ruby Frankie. Her family now says she should be quote
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Speaker 1: put away in jail forever. Really you're saying that? Now, well,
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Speaker 1: where were you when her children? And this is a
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Speaker 1: mommy vlagger that gives millions of people parenting advice. Where
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Speaker 1: were you Frankie family when she was duct taping her
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Speaker 1: children and starving them? Where were you when she was
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Speaker 1: keeping them hidden in the house? Now you want her
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Speaker 1: in jail? Daylight dollar short I Nancy Grace, this is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at
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Speaker 1: Foxcination and Serious XM one eleven. This now notorious mommy vlogger.
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Speaker 1: He believes she is telling all of us how to
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Speaker 1: raise children. You know, I learned that police or defects
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Speaker 1: would go to the home and the children would actually hide.
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Speaker 1: They wouldn't speak to the teachers or the school detectives.
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Speaker 1: They tried to find out what was going And you
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Speaker 1: know what, shame on them, not the children, but the cops,
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Speaker 1: defects and school detectives who didn't follow up. When you
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Speaker 1: have a child that basically hides from you when you're
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Speaker 1: asking it a simple question. There's something horribly wrong, but
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Speaker 1: they just dropped the ball and it resulted in a
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Speaker 1: little boy, starved, bound with duct tape, sneaking out and
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Speaker 1: running to an neighbor's home to try to get something
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Speaker 1: to drink and eat. Yeah, and then when Ruby Frankie
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Speaker 1: ends up in court, guess what she does. I hope
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Speaker 1: you're sitting down. You may need to lay down for this.
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Speaker 1: She actually blames her children and said that at least
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Speaker 1: one of them started watching porn when he was three
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Speaker 1: years old, and that they're molesting each other. What oh,
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Speaker 1: did they starve themselves too and bind themselves with duct tape? Guys,
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Speaker 1: let's just start at the beginning with a nine to
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Speaker 1: one one call.
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Speaker 2: Listen, I just had a twelve year old boy show
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Speaker 2: up here at my front door asking for help. And
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Speaker 2: he's said he had just came from a neighbor's house,
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Speaker 2: and we know there's been problems at this neighbor's house.
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Speaker 2: He's emaciated, he's got tape around his legs, he's hungry,
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Speaker 2: and he's thirsty, sitting outside with him on the front patio,
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Speaker 2: and he asked us to call the police. So he's
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Speaker 2: very afraid.
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Speaker 3: He's twelve years old, okay, And are the neighbors alex
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Speaker 3: of our home or is anybody looking for them that
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Speaker 3: you can see?
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Speaker 2: No, we are homes are part enough away. I'm not sure.
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Speaker 2: How did you get out of the house, he says,
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Speaker 2: he just left through the porch at the neighbor's house.
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Speaker 2: Their name is Jody Hill. The brand I think Cana.
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Speaker 2: The houses are far apart, so he walked just under
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Speaker 2: the block to get to our house. He rang my
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Speaker 2: doorbell and asked me to call the police.
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Speaker 1: So it's my understanding with me. An incredible panel. But
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Speaker 1: first to Emily Ashcroft, reporter KSL dot com in Utah, Emily,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. From what I'm deciphering
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Speaker 1: from the nine on one call, I'm sure we'll learn
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Speaker 1: exactly the answers to all of these questions is that
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Speaker 1: the little boy wanted them to call nine to one one.
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Speaker 1: He's twelve years old, and he's very afraid, emaciated and
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Speaker 1: bound with duct tape.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what it sounds like. He tried to get out,
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Speaker 4: and that is a good strategy to go to a
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Speaker 4: neighbor's home and ask for emergency help in this situation.
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Speaker 1: This kid must have been so afraid to run to
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Speaker 1: a neighbor's and beg them to call nine one one.
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Speaker 1: Let's listen to more than n im on one call
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Speaker 1: to find out what else we can learn.
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Speaker 2: His ankles are taped up and he won't tell us why.
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Speaker 2: But he has duct taped around each ankle. Yeah, there's
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Speaker 2: sores around him. I think the good chance he's been.
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Speaker 2: Oh and he has been around his ankles. I mean
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Speaker 2: he's rists as well. Okay, this boy has been. This
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Speaker 2: kid has obviously been. I think he's been. He's been detained,
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Speaker 2: he's obviously covered in wounds.
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Speaker 3: Okay, let's get the paramedics headed over that way.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Oh that's a good idea too.
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Speaker 3: See has he told you where his mom or dad are?
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Speaker 2: Do you know where your mommy is?
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Speaker 3: I really got well, actually I don't know where my
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Speaker 3: mom is, but I do know where my dad is.
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Speaker 2: He's not here, don't know where Okay, no, he doesn't
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Speaker 2: see them. He usually knows.
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Speaker 3: Where his mom is, he doesn't know where his dad is.
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Speaker 1: So much to figure out right there, I want to
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Speaker 1: go to Shelley Asher. Listen to all these initials, B S,
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Speaker 1: N are in N why safe same dash Pe sex
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Speaker 1: assault forensic nurse examiner, I know that much. Forensic nurse
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Speaker 1: expert with Gay Joy Medical Forensics, extensive background and pediatric
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Speaker 1: physical and sex assault Shelby Asher, thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. Did you hear the male nine on one
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Speaker 1: call or break down in tears saying he's got duct
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Speaker 1: type around each ankle, around his wists and there's sores
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Speaker 1: around them. That means in my mind, he's been duct
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Speaker 1: taped for a long time and now there are sores.
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Speaker 5: For me, Yeah, absolutely, Nancy, You know I wouldn't be
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Speaker 5: shocked it really. You know, there are some dependent factors depends,
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Speaker 5: like you said, how long they've been there, how tight
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Speaker 5: these were on his extremities. But yeah, generally i'd expect
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Speaker 5: to see, you know, some patterned injury, meaning ligature like
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Speaker 5: marks around in this case his anklden wrists. I definitely
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Speaker 5: expect to see abrasions lacerations due to you know, the
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Speaker 5: shearing of the skin in those areas.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean by sharing of the skin, you know.
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Speaker 5: The top layer kind of rubbing off like an abrasion,
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Speaker 5: just from that friction of having that bound his ankles
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Speaker 5: and rest.
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Speaker 1: And just thinking about this little boy and his little
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Speaker 1: sister that was back in the home. Listen to more
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Speaker 1: of that nine one one you know where?
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Speaker 2: He just says he doesn't live around here. Does your
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Speaker 2: mom around here? Have you seen her lately? He doesn't
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Speaker 2: know where she is right now? What's your mom's name? Ruby? Frankie?
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Speaker 2: Ruby Frankie is his mom's name? F R A M. Katie,
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Speaker 2: He says, he what's happened to him as his fault.
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Speaker 3: God to hear they're coming to you as because they can. Okay, okay, yeah,
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Speaker 3: really want to make sure he's finding But I've got
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Speaker 3: him sitting here in my wife.
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Speaker 2: He got water and something to give him, something to
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Speaker 2: eat because he's really he's hungry and a young man,
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Speaker 2: he said him his hearing his stocking feet, so he escaped.
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Speaker 3: Does he have anything with him?
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Speaker 2: No, he's run a long sleeve shirt and shorts and
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Speaker 2: it's a way too big for him.
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Speaker 3: Can you tell me what color is that short?
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Speaker 2: Okay?
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Speaker 1: The ambulance is here joining me. Thank Goodness is a
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Speaker 1: forensic psychologist and consultant at psychology doctor dot com. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Dana Anderson, Doctor Dana, thank you so much for being
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Speaker 1: with us. It really struck me when you can hear
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Speaker 1: the little boy saying in the background, living separate, they're divorcing.
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Speaker 1: My dad is quote nowhere. He doesn't know where his
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Speaker 1: mom is. And even more striking, he says this is
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Speaker 1: He says, this is his fault. It's his fault that
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Speaker 1: he is starving with his bones poking out. It's his fault.
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Speaker 1: He's covered in wounds, and nobody's really telling us what
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Speaker 1: those wounds are. But I do know that there are
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Speaker 1: open sores associated with the duct tape on the wrists
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Speaker 1: and the ankles, and at one point I read across
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Speaker 1: his body, which I'm taking to mean the waist or
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Speaker 1: the chest. In some manner, I know those are our wounds.
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Speaker 1: Other accounts say open wounds. But he says it's all
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Speaker 1: his fault. Okay, you know what, if someone asks my
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Speaker 1: children right now, where is your mom? They would say
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Speaker 1: she's in the studio. I wouldn't have to tell them
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Speaker 1: where I am. They know where I am, and I
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Speaker 1: know where they are according to where I left them
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Speaker 1: this morning and according to Life three sixty, which I
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Speaker 1: monitor constantly. If someone asks my children, where's your dad
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Speaker 1: right now, they would say at his office. We know
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Speaker 1: where each other is supposed to be. So one he
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Speaker 1: doesn't know where his mom is, he doesn't know where
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Speaker 1: his dad is. He says dad is nowhere, and he
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Speaker 1: thinks all of this is his fault, his fault. You know.
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Speaker 1: It reminds me of batter women. So is their fault.
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Speaker 1: They're getting the hell beat out of them, sometimes the
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Speaker 1: life beat out of them. When I worked at the
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Speaker 1: Battered Women's Center, I remember when one woman got a
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Speaker 1: horrible beating that landed her in the hospital. Her husband
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Speaker 1: said he wanted Mexican for dinner. She made tacos and
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Speaker 1: he beat her because she made Enchilada's wait, he wanted tacos,
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Speaker 1: She made enchilada something like that, and she thought that
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Speaker 1: was her fault. So help me out here, doctor Dana.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just heartbreaking to share that ninety one one
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Speaker 6: call and just putting myself in his position. That boy,
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Speaker 6: you know wash just like you said, like battered woman's syndrome,
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Speaker 6: just that battered syndromes.
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Speaker 7: Over and over.
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Speaker 6: They're being led to believe that it's their fault, that
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Speaker 6: there's something wrong with them, that something that they're doing
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Speaker 6: that they need to stop. And that's why they're being abused,
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Speaker 6: and that that they have to rationalize the punishment. And
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Speaker 6: then this is what you often hear in victims who
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Speaker 6: have just been beaten down emotionally and psychologically. Over time,
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Speaker 6: they tried to cope and rationalize and make sense of it,
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Speaker 6: so confusing to your brain why this is happening? So
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Speaker 6: they can say, well, it's my fault if I wouldn't
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Speaker 6: have done that, if I could have done better, but
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Speaker 6: I did this.
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Speaker 1: Why do people do that? Why do they think it's them, like, Oh,
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Speaker 1: my husband, shady, that's my fault because I'm overweight and
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Speaker 1: that was not It's not your fault that he did that.
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Speaker 6: If you isolate a victim for so long, and isolation
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Speaker 6: is what's happening in this case, and you only have
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Speaker 6: that authoritarians figure telling you, it's like brainwashing.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I got a theory, doctor, Diana. What about this?
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Speaker 1: You can't accept that the person you love so much
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Speaker 1: is a monster? Okay, here's an example. A friend told
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Speaker 1: me about an acquaintance that shot his dog with a
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Speaker 1: bb gun repeatedly, and the dog kept crawling toward the owner.
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Speaker 1: The dog. That's the only thing the dog knew. This
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Speaker 1: is who feeds me. This is where I sleep, this
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Speaker 1: is my I guess master. And even though the guy
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Speaker 1: was shooting him with a BB gun, the dog would
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Speaker 1: crawl toward the owner. And I've never understood that. And
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Speaker 1: when I'm thinking about this, how awful it must be
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Speaker 1: for a little child baby to accept the mom has
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Speaker 1: left me alone, the mom is starving me, the mom
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Speaker 1: bound me. I don't know where she is. I don't
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Speaker 1: know where my dad is. And so they blame themselves,
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Speaker 1: because sometimes that's easier to blame yourself than to accept
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Speaker 1: your whole world's falling apart. The one person you love
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Speaker 1: hates you.
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Speaker 6: It's so terribly conflicting because this is also the mother,
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Speaker 6: the person that's supposed to be nurturing or has nurtured
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Speaker 6: you at times. This is the person that's supposed to
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Speaker 6: feed you and has before. They need that person they have.
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Speaker 6: They're reliant on them, as damies or children are on
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Speaker 6: their parents.
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Speaker 1: Poor kid, this whole world falling apart. Well, that little
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Speaker 1: boy says, my sisters still back in this home. So
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Speaker 1: the cops finally show up and do something. Instead of
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Speaker 1: looking in the window and see the children cowering and
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Speaker 1: do nothing, take a listen to our friends a Ku TV.
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Speaker 8: The neighbor clearly moved to tears and.
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Speaker 2: This boy has been. This kid is obviously I think
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Speaker 2: he's been. He's entertained, he's obviously covered in wounds.
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Speaker 8: Once officers arrived, this is what they discovered inside Hildebrand's home.
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Speaker 9: There's aside the garage downstairs underneath the grudges.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, some of that audio you just heard is one
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Speaker 8: law enforcement appeared to be trying to find some of
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Speaker 8: the boys' siblings.
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Speaker 1: Okay, who is this person? Hilda Brant? So Emily askov
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Speaker 1: let me understand this. Jodie Hildebrant, we believe was a
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Speaker 1: marriage counselor to vlogger mom with over two million followers,
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Speaker 1: Ruby Frankie. She then became a friend, moved into the
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Speaker 1: Frankie home for a period of time, and then it
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Speaker 1: looks like became her co host on Connections, a kind
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Speaker 1: of an offshoot of Eight Passengers. Eight Passengers was Ruby
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Speaker 1: Frankie's show for lack of a Better World.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so more recently, that's the YouTube channel that
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Speaker 4: they've been running, and they have an Instagram together called
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Speaker 4: Moms of Truth.
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Speaker 1: Oh Dear Lord in Heaven, Okay, I'll tell you what
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Speaker 1: I know about this friend. Co anchored Jesse Hilda Brant
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Speaker 1: speaks out. This is Jody Hildebrant's niece. I want you
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Speaker 1: guys to take a listen if you can stand it
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Speaker 1: to our cut seventy eight. This is Jody Hilda Brant,
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Speaker 1: the marriage counselor, describing what happened to her listen. I
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Speaker 1: was physically.
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Speaker 10: I was forced to sleep outside in the snow. I was,
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Speaker 10: like I said, isolated from up to twelve hours a
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Speaker 10: day if someone wanted, if someone spoke to me directly,
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Speaker 10: if I wasn't wearing duct tape on my mouth, I
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Speaker 10: had to just stare at them and not respond. Because
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Speaker 10: she also had systems of people that would report back
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Speaker 10: to her if I broke any of these rules. And
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Speaker 10: her whole thing, which is deeply darkly ironic, is that
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Speaker 10: everything is stems from shame, and how horrible shame.
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Speaker 1: Is, and that.
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Speaker 10: All of the reasons, like all of mental illness, all ticks,
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Speaker 10: so like ocd's addiction, everything stems from shame, which is
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Speaker 10: just horrifying because she is the greatest perpetuator of shame.
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Speaker 1: And this is who Ruby Frankie has with her children.
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Speaker 1: Also on our panel is executive director of Utah Crime
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Speaker 1: Victims Legal Clanet. It's a nonprofit who represents his victims.
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Speaker 1: Former County Prosecutor Heidi Nestle is with us. Heidi, thank
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Speaker 1: you so much for being with us. So the children
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Speaker 1: are starved, they are covered in open wounds, they are
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Speaker 1: duct taped at least at the risk and the angles
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Speaker 1: end quote across the body. The little boy says, dad's divorcing.
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Speaker 1: He's quote nowhere. I don't know where mommy is. And
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Speaker 1: they're in this home with this woman who's I guess
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Speaker 1: her theory is to shame people into a certain behavior.
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Speaker 1: What happened? I know there have been many calls to
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Speaker 1: this home. Why are the children still there?
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Speaker 11: That's an excellent question. I mean, these are the most
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Speaker 11: serious physical charges, physical abuse charges that we have in Utah.
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Speaker 11: But they've been charged with and so it makes sense
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Speaker 11: that this did not just happen overnight. This abuse was
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Speaker 11: going on for a long time, and it does call
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Speaker 11: into question, you know, who saw what, especially as far
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Speaker 11: as Matt Hildegrand is concerned. The reason she's been charged
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Speaker 11: for the exact same crime is because in Utah we
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Speaker 11: have accomplished liability that if you aid or encourage someone
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Speaker 11: to commit a crime, that's as if you're committing the
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Speaker 11: crime yourself. And so it's appropriate that she's been charged
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Speaker 11: and likely will be held accountable for these atrocious crime.
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Speaker 1: You know, Jason Jensen is with me. I agree with
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Speaker 1: everything Heidi Nestell just said. Jason Jensen Jensen private investigator, owner,
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Speaker 1: Jensen Private Investigations, co founder of the Cold Case Coalition,
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Speaker 1: and you can find him at Jensenprivate Investigations dot com.
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Speaker 1: Don't you see a similar transaction happening. You've got the
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Speaker 1: adult niece of Jodah Hildebrandt saying I wasn't allowed to
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Speaker 1: speak to anybody, had duct tape on my mouth, and
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Speaker 1: now we see these children bound in duct tape? What
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Speaker 1: about that? Jason Jensen, I'm not surprised. When can you
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Speaker 1: sound so calm? I'm just curious. I'm not surprised. I'm
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Speaker 1: surprised as hell, and I see it every day. But
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Speaker 1: the hypocrisy of this woman being a we've logged to look.
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Speaker 1: I do the best I can with the children I do,
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Speaker 1: and I know I'm not an expert, and it would
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Speaker 1: be a cold ay in Hgublel. But I try to
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Speaker 1: give parenting advice. I want people to give me parenting advice,
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Speaker 1: and her children are duct taped, they're starved. Jason Jensen, Well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm shocked. Where's the outrage?
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Speaker 9: Probably because I'm not gonna disrupt your show by personally
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Speaker 9: being emotional about it.
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Speaker 1: But what makes me so better about you? You're trying
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Speaker 1: to save crime stories.
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Speaker 7: Okay, go ahead, exactly.
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Speaker 9: So basically, the reason why I say I'm not surprised
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Speaker 9: is this came out of somewhere in her path. It
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Speaker 9: wasn't just something they invented. So clearly this is something
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Speaker 9: that she's been cultivating and using in her path. I
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Speaker 9: guess therapy sessions, which clearly is you know, in my definition,
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Speaker 9: cruel and unusual for what she's using against her own
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Speaker 9: family members alone. You know, the Frankie family, What you
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Speaker 9: put these kids through is cruel, It is torturous, and
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Speaker 9: it is criminal, So it's going to be hard for
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Speaker 9: them to justify. And then you know, for what Ruby
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Speaker 9: Frankie tried to raise in her hearing as the excuse
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Speaker 9: for is abhorrent.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, you're not gonna believe
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Speaker 1: what you're gonna hear next. It's not just Ruby Frankie,
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Speaker 1: It's not just Jadie Hildebrant. The system how to hand
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Speaker 1: in this. Brad Wats is joining me. Listen to this.
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Speaker 1: Brad Our Cut sixty sixty one from KSL.
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Speaker 12: Records reveal officers responded to Frankie's home in Springville fifteen
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Speaker 12: times between March twenty nineteen and last week. In April
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Speaker 12: twenty two, records showed DCFS asked Springville PD to drive
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Speaker 12: through the neighborhood. In September last year, Frankie's oldest daughter
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Speaker 12: asked police to check on her younger siblings after hearing
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Speaker 12: from neighbors that Frankie had left them home alone in.
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Speaker 1: Springville for days.
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Speaker 12: According to police records, the kids were seen through the
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Speaker 12: windows but would not answer the door, but neighbors told
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Speaker 12: officers Ruby Frankie would leave her children home for extended
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Speaker 12: periods of time and go to Saint George to spend
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Speaker 12: time with her friend, Jody. Hildebrandt's records show police went
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Speaker 12: back to the Springville home four more times after that
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Speaker 12: to assist DCFS.
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Speaker 1: But nothing was done, and when school members tried to
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Speaker 1: speak to them. Nothing was done, nothing at all, so
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Speaker 1: the children continued to starve and be bound. That's not all.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at KSL. This is
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Speaker 1: Shelby Lofton.
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Speaker 13: Neighbors told me everyone noticed the Frankie's windows being covered
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Speaker 13: in paper earlier this year. We drove by the Frankie's
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Speaker 13: house today. No one looked like they were home, but
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Speaker 13: the front door, which looks like it's cracked, is covered
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Speaker 13: in several strips of black tape. Neighbors told us Kevin Frankie,
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Speaker 13: Ruby's husband moved out of the family home about one
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Speaker 13: year ago. Kevin Frankie is now back at that address.
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Speaker 1: So Brad Watts, licensed professional counselor, certified sex Offender Treatment provider,
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Speaker 1: specializes in sibling sex abuse and I want to talk
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Speaker 1: to you about Reby Frankie's clients as all our children's
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Speaker 1: thought that they're abusing each other. He's the author of
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Speaker 1: Sibling Sex Abuse, America's Silent Epidemic and you can find
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Speaker 1: me at Brad Watts LPC dot com. Brad, what do
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Speaker 1: you make of the fact that police didn't help defects
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Speaker 1: didn't help the school detective and counselors. They didn't help.
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Speaker 1: All they were and the neighbors, they all noticed, they
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Speaker 1: all knew something was wrong, but they did nothing.
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Speaker 7: Nancy, this is just mind blowing. I mean, one of
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Speaker 7: the first things that popped out to me is the
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Speaker 7: fact that they didn't do their due diligence on anything.
23:08
Speaker 7: It's a complete failure. And I would think just anybody
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Speaker 7: kind of around or familiar you make those calls and
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Speaker 7: then you go in and investigate in the home, and
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Speaker 7: the fact that all these different opportunities that they drop
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Speaker 7: the ball on this is just just really horrific. And
23:26
Speaker 7: you know, we see the results with the kids. I
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Speaker 7: can't help but wonder, with all these different calls, all
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Speaker 7: these different people, you know, you know, seeing red flags
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Speaker 7: from the family, why in the world this wasn't investigated.
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Speaker 7: So I'd really be interested to hear what their excuses
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Speaker 7: for this.
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Speaker 1: Is, denying the children's food and care, leaving them alone
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Speaker 1: for days. If this woman wasn't famous, you don't think
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Speaker 1: she would have been arrested by now. All you have
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Speaker 1: to do is listen to her on her eight passengers
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Speaker 1: are now the new connections with our hitch person, Joey Hildebrant,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to Really Frank on eight Passengers.
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Speaker 14: I just got a text message from Eve's teacher and
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Speaker 14: she said that Eve did not pack a lunch today
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Speaker 14: and can I bring a lunch over to the school.
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Speaker 14: This happens quite often when you're having raising children, because
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Speaker 14: I know that her teacher is uncomfortable with her being
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Speaker 14: hungry and not having a lunch, and it would ease
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Speaker 14: her discomfort if I came to the school with lunch.
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Speaker 14: But I responded and just said Eve is responsible for
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Speaker 14: making her lunches in the morning, and she actually told
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Speaker 14: me she did pack a lunch. So the natural outcome
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Speaker 14: is she's just going to need to be hungry and
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Speaker 14: hopefully nobody gives her food, and nobody steps in and
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Speaker 14: gives her a lunch, and my.
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Speaker 1: Kids are literally starving. I hesitate to say.
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Speaker 15: This because it's going to sound like I'm like a
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Speaker 15: mean barbarian.
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Speaker 16: But I told the kids, I said, I'm not even
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Speaker 16: going to let you eat breakfast until you get your
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Speaker 16: chores done.
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Speaker 15: You're the mother and she is the child. This is
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Speaker 15: not a relationship where you trust her. That's not your
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Speaker 15: job as a mother. In fact, your job as a
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Speaker 15: mother is to constantly be scrutinizing her to constantly be
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Speaker 15: judging her choices against principles.
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Speaker 17: That's Ruby Frankie speaking on a podcast late last year
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Speaker 17: for Connections, a life coaching platform founded by her business
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Speaker 17: partner Jody Hildebrand.
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Speaker 1: Then you're hearing our forensic KUTV And the little girl
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Speaker 1: that wasn't having any food that day was six years old. Okay.
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Speaker 1: I was also struck when she refused to let some
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Speaker 1: of the children have Santa on Christmas morning. Take a
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Speaker 1: list now cut twenty eight.
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Speaker 18: So we sat down with them and we let them
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Speaker 18: know how deeply sorrowful we've been because of the choices
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Speaker 18: that they've been making and how it's affected their teachers
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Speaker 18: at school, it's affected their peers, it's affected in our home, the.
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Speaker 6: Siblings, and we just laid it out very clear.
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Speaker 16: And we told them that this year they are not
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Speaker 16: going to be visited by Santa. We let them know
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Speaker 16: that Christmas morning, therefore, older siblings will be getting Christmas
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Speaker 16: presents to open and that they will have the gift
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Speaker 16: of love from their dad.
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Speaker 1: And I, yeah, wonder why he left, But that said,
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Speaker 1: he didn't just leave her. He left his children to
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Speaker 1: starve in a hell hole. Ruby frank actually appears in
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Speaker 1: court and astonishingly blames her own children for their suffering,
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Speaker 1: even claiming that our children watch porn at age three
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Speaker 1: and that one child molested many other children sex molested them.
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Speaker 1: Let's start friends at crime online.
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Speaker 17: Shocking stories continue to follow Ruby Frankie and Jody Hildebrant
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Speaker 17: as family members speak out and share their personal frustrations
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Speaker 17: with the women. But the most shocking thing so far
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Speaker 17: has to be from Ruby Frankie herself. The Daily Mail
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Speaker 17: reports that in court, Ruby Frankie sobbed as she appeared
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Speaker 17: for a shelter hearing for four minor children to determine custody.
27:24
Speaker 17: Speaking between sobs, the mother of six claims that one
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Speaker 17: of her minor children sexually abused their sibling and molested
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Speaker 17: several other family members and children in the neighborhood for years.
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Speaker 1: I find that really difficult to believe, and I'm going
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Speaker 1: to go to our expert Brad Watts, who has written
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Speaker 1: Sibling Sex Abuse America's Silent Epidemic. If this has been
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Speaker 1: going on for years, it's very hard for me to
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Speaker 1: believe that a neighbor had not reported it. I would
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Speaker 1: be lying on the police HQ steps screaming for Joe
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Speaker 1: if a neighbor attacked one of my children, a neighbor child, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't believe this for one minute, especially given the
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Speaker 1: other circumstances that the children are starved now with a
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Speaker 1: duct tape and have open source.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, Nancy, Absolutely, there's all kinds of red flags that
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Speaker 7: just incongruent with everything in the home. Yeah, it doesn't
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Speaker 7: appear in any way that that would happen in my opinion,
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Speaker 7: just because to one of the red flags to be
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Speaker 7: is a three year old looking at porn. So she's
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Speaker 7: presenting it as her three year old child is seeking
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Speaker 7: out porn. Well, a three year old's is not able
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Speaker 7: to seek out porn on their own, they would come
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Speaker 7: across it or should it be shown to them. And
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Speaker 7: then just with the strict abusive nature in her home,
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Speaker 7: how is that happening And how is I agree with you,
28:53
Speaker 7: how is a neighbor if he's doing it to all
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Speaker 7: these family members, all these different neighborhood kids. In my experience,
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Speaker 7: it's reported, it's talked about, it's brought up, and then
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Speaker 7: she's just keeping that, you know, to herself, and all that.
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Speaker 9: I don't buy it.
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Speaker 7: I just don't buy it at all.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense to me. Heidi Nestel is
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Speaker 1: joining us on the Utah Crime Victim's Legal Clinic, And
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Speaker 1: all the years I have prosecuted and investigated child molestation,
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Speaker 1: I've never in my life heard of a three year
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Speaker 1: old going to the TV and finding porn and watching it.
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Speaker 1: That is a lie.
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Speaker 11: Heidi, You're absolutely correct. I mean, as your panelist just said,
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Speaker 11: it either didn't happen, or the child was presented with
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Speaker 11: it or exposed to it by someone who is older
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Speaker 11: and can make those kind of searches. This just doesn't
29:45
Speaker 11: make sense. I don't the legal argument to say, you know,
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Speaker 11: I'm absolved from responsibility or my responsibility is mitigated because
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Speaker 11: there was this sex abuse going into the home. That
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Speaker 11: doesn't make sense legally to me make that argument, because
30:01
Speaker 11: as the parent, you have a legal and moral responsibility
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Speaker 11: to protect your children, and in Utah we have mandatory
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Speaker 11: report laws. So if this had been going on, the
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Speaker 11: parent is responsible at some level, and so it doesn't
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Speaker 11: make sense legally for her to be making this argument
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Speaker 11: if anything at aggravates the situation as opposed to mitigating
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Speaker 11: her liability.
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Speaker 1: Prime stories with Nancy Grace. I want you to hear
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Speaker 1: what happened when a school resource officer attempted to speak
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Speaker 1: to the children. Take a US an hour cut seventy six.
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Speaker 12: A school resource officer attempting twice to talk to the
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Speaker 12: children wants unsuccessfully at school and again later at home
31:03
Speaker 12: when he.
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Speaker 2: Asked to talk to them to the mom and the children,
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Speaker 2: they all went in the house, locked the doors, and
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Speaker 2: would not respond to any of our attempts for contact.
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Speaker 5: It's very concerning when we hear that there were this
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Speaker 5: many people that sounded the alarm that there might have
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Speaker 5: been something happening at this home.
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Speaker 1: So you're here from our friends at GMA, So I'm
31:24
Speaker 1: not sure how this goes down. The school resource officer
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Speaker 1: says he tried to speak to them, but Ruby Frank
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Speaker 1: and her children all went in the home and just
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Speaker 1: locked the door. That the children went silent when he
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Speaker 1: tried to speak to them at school, So what they
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Speaker 1: just drop it? Just so okay, yeah, I can't talk
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Speaker 1: to them. Never mind, that's overcase closed. Also, the windows
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Speaker 1: are covered with paper, no one can get to them.
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Speaker 1: They're locked in the home and no parent is home.
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Speaker 1: But I find it really hard to believe. Throw this
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Speaker 1: to you, Jason Jensen, that the school resource officer just
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Speaker 1: dropped it because the mom wouldn't speak.
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Speaker 9: It's pretty well not uncommon. I mean typically hear in
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Speaker 9: Utah when a resource officer or a police officer tries
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Speaker 9: to interview a child at the school, the child does
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Speaker 9: have that ability to refuse to speak to the officer
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Speaker 9: about something at home. Oftentimes is because the child is
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Speaker 9: instructed not to engage with any form of police officer
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Speaker 9: or something like that while it's school. So you would
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Speaker 9: think that that would pose a red flag for the investigator.
32:39
Speaker 9: But I've read many of reports where that's actually occurred here,
32:44
Speaker 9: but they.
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Speaker 1: Just let it go. Guys, I want you to hear
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Speaker 1: more of this mommy vlogger with millions of people taking
32:51
Speaker 1: our advice, Ruby Frank you take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut ninety five.
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Speaker 16: We are going to a movie on your shoes?
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Speaker 9: What is it?
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Speaker 1: What does it even matter? If someone asked me if
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Speaker 1: I wanted to.
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Speaker 15: Go to a movie, I wouldn't.
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Speaker 1: Ask what is it? Run and get your shoes or
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Speaker 1: you're gonna not go.
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Speaker 16: Hurry everyone run, Hey, this is Ruby.
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Speaker 1: I was wondering is Brooke available to babysit.
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Speaker 10: Sorry, Oh my gosh, that sounds amazing.
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Speaker 15: What a good idea for spring break.
33:34
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry.
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Speaker 16: I am not taking Eve unless you come and give
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Speaker 16: me a huge apology.
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Speaker 1: It just hurts me to hear the little baby. I mean,
33:44
Speaker 1: you can tell she's what would you say, Jackie four
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Speaker 1: or five? Maybe if that crying saying mommy, I'm sorry.
33:54
Speaker 1: And now listen to this ninety.
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Speaker 15: Six you can give me a hug and you come
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Speaker 15: say you're sorry.
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Speaker 2: No again where I can pay attention.
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Speaker 1: It was not very thankful of you.
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Speaker 16: I was excited and I told you to go get
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Speaker 16: on your shoes and your jacket to see a movie
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Speaker 16: and you should say okay and be grateful instead.
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Speaker 9: Of well what movie? Well I don't know, let.
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Speaker 1: Me think about it.
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Speaker 16: That's not very grateful and I'm not going to take
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Speaker 16: a girl who's not grateful. Can you show some more gratitude?
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Speaker 1: Okay, give me a big hick. I mean, is that
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Speaker 1: common to force your victim to apologize to you? Just
34:36
Speaker 1: trying to figure that.
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Speaker 7: Out, Brad Watts, No, I mean this is it's so
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Speaker 7: hard to listen to Nancy. I mean, just you know
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Speaker 7: that these children in the way she treats them, And
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Speaker 7: you know, I keep thinking that with my therapist eyes,
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Speaker 7: just this family and these kids and how much they
34:51
Speaker 7: need to be in therapy and all that they're they're
34:53
Speaker 7: going to have to work through. And again, kind of
34:55
Speaker 7: going back to your point, you know, where's dad, you know,
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Speaker 7: fighting for these kids?
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Speaker 1: I think he needs to be behind bars too. He's responsible.
35:03
Speaker 1: You can't just drive off and leave your children with
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Speaker 1: a demon from hell and then act like you had
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Speaker 1: no responsibility at all. So what she is brought into
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Speaker 1: court and by the way, isn't it true back to
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Speaker 1: Emily Ashcraft asl is that her or Hildebrandt that claim
35:22
Speaker 1: that they have an ailment and they're on the sick
35:26
Speaker 1: unit where they get better treatment.
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Speaker 4: I think they've both had some medical issues since they've
35:31
Speaker 4: been in jail, so I think both of them, but
35:34
Speaker 4: most recently hildebrand apparently had some significant medical issues that
35:40
Speaker 4: was filed in court documents. What issue it was vague
35:44
Speaker 4: as to what those were.
35:45
Speaker 1: I bet it was. Both of them amazingly get medical
35:49
Speaker 1: issues when they go behind bars and they end up
35:52
Speaker 1: in a much better position in the sick bay. Guys,
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear more of what Ruby frank did,
35:59
Speaker 1: as if she hasn't victimized her children enough, take a
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Speaker 1: listen our cut eighty one our Forensic Crime online.
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Speaker 17: After years of watching Ruby Frankie promote herself as an
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Speaker 17: expert at parenting, family members now feel it's time to
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Speaker 17: speak out and set the record straight. To that end,
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Speaker 17: Frankie's sister in law, Cynthia told The Daily Mail, quote,
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Speaker 17: I don't think she should get out on bail. I
36:18
Speaker 17: do believe the allegations against her. After all of this,
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Speaker 17: she should be put away forever if convicted. Cynthia is
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Speaker 17: the wife of Frankie's older brother, Allan, and she said
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Speaker 17: she had no idea what was going on behind closed doors.
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Speaker 17: She said, quote, I don't know what to believe from her.
36:33
Speaker 17: I think she's lying. She's putting the blame on her
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Speaker 17: two kids to validate what she did to her children.
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Speaker 17: At this point, I think she'll say anything to save herself.
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Speaker 1: To Shelby asked her, joining us a forensic nurse examiner,
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Speaker 1: how often is it that you I see children victimized
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Speaker 1: while everybody stands by and twiddles their thumbs.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know, not men obviously with children, it
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Speaker 5: does take years and years for them to come forward
37:06
Speaker 5: in regards to sexual assault. You know, that's because mostly
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Speaker 5: of fear. They are taught to believe that nobody's going
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Speaker 5: to believe them, nobody's going to listen, nobody cares.
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Speaker 6: You know.
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Speaker 5: As far as sibling sexual assault, it is one of
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Speaker 5: the least reported, so it is hard to establish and
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Speaker 5: understand the prevalence.
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Speaker 6: But if that were happening, you know.
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Speaker 5: The question that comes into play and that comes to
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Speaker 5: mind is, you know, if this is happening, where are
37:37
Speaker 5: they learning this behavior from? You know, are they repeating
37:40
Speaker 5: behavior that they've experienced. You know, often children do reenact
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Speaker 5: what they've experienced.
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Speaker 1: I'm very curious. Heidi Nestel is joining US executive director
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Speaker 1: you Taugh Crime Victims Legal Clinic, and you can find
37:53
Speaker 1: her at Utah Victims Clinic. Heidi, I think it would
37:59
Speaker 1: be a simple matter of getting the other children to testify,
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Speaker 1: especially the older daughter who was so worried about her
38:11
Speaker 1: siblings she called police to go check on them. There's
38:15
Speaker 1: a reason for that, You're.
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Speaker 11: Right, and you can be assured that the children are
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Speaker 11: going to be interviewed. That's standard practice in criminal investigations
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Speaker 11: in Utah. We use a children's Justice center system where
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Speaker 11: I'm confident that each of the children will be interviewed
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Speaker 11: by a forensic interviewer and so hopefully we'll get now
38:38
Speaker 11: they'll have the opportunity to talk about what's happened to them,
38:42
Speaker 11: how they've been raised, and the different potentially abusive scenarios
38:47
Speaker 11: that they've had to endure. So this investigation is going
38:51
Speaker 11: to take a while, but assuredly these children will be
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Speaker 11: interviewed and have the opportunity to speak about what's happened
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Speaker 11: to them.
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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the
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Speaker 1: mistreatment of the children of Ruby Frankie and the husband
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Speaker 1: Kevin Frankie, or any knowledge regarding Jody Hildebrandt, please call
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Speaker 1: better late than Never tipline two five one eight four
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Speaker 1: four seven two two zero two. We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye, friend,