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Carne Cruda en las acampadas contra el genocidio (CARNE CRUDA #1357) · Carne Cruda Podcast

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  Dani Rania. What? Tal? How are you doing All right, well,
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  thank you so much for coming here to make this show. What are
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  the reasons that have led you to camp? Well, we camped out to
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  demand that our universities and the Government of Spain break all their relations with Israel.
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  The Government also asks you to stop the arms trade and some way to
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  manage each other. For example, the first night was the most important because
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  we were managing bodies, that is, security groups, so that everyone had
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  everything they needed. Very cold, such, but resisting. It' s
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  gone well, and this second night, too, I' ve gone for
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  a few hours. You' ve been up all night, yeah, but
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  that' s all right. And taking turns so everyone can rest and study.
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  We' ve enabled a study area because we' re in exam period
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  and there are shifts for meals and, well, a little bit, doing
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  everything collectively so that this can move on. There is a committee that is
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  organizing meals shifts. This is going. Yes, as you know, there
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  is the Interuniversity bloc for Palestine, which was born a few months ago in
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  parallel POSTS October 7 to manage to go in university block to the demonstrations,
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  because from there it has been tried to organize everything and have been managed through
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  unitary assemblies with all those that we are taking out, working groups, commissions
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  of work, hygiene food, services, security, mediation assemblies, etc,
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  and that tell you your parents, your teachers, your friend, well to
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  me, in my case, my parents have no problem. So there have
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  been cases of students who, like their parents, yes, who have been
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  funnier almost are and well, teachers. There is support from certain teachers who
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  have come here, who are even tutoring the students who need it to prepare
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  the exams. Yes, there are teachers who can' t come or who
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  are organizing us, but we get ear mails. We' ve seen very
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  well, guys. You can come to class, talk to your classmates,
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  so we see that there is a good reaction to our teachers. You think
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  it will serve something yes, just like the rest of the social mobilizations that
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  are taking place in the student context. The discourse is being taken into account,
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  it is being seen, it is also being mobilized taking into account,
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  for example, the invasion of rafa. These are very urgent things that are
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  always right now, they are always in the debate. Of course what we
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  ' re doing is clearly good. Let' s get out of here and
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  then we' ll keep talking to you. Thanks for what you' re
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  doing. I really mean it. Thanks for doing what we' ve been
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  waiting for. Thank you all and everyone here for welcoming us and welcoming us
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  to raw meat. Walt tom so correct and then cool is exact is we
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  are in the camp of the University of Madrid against the genocide in Gaza.
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  One of the university camps that have joined the campuses of the United States in
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  Spain, where the brutal police charge at Columbia University sparked the flame all over
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  the country. Two thousand young people have already been arrested there. Here they
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  have started to organize, first in Valencia, then in Barcelona, in Vizcaya,
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  in Alava, Guipuzcoa, Pamplona, Seville, Granada, Malaga, Alicante,
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  Zaragoza or here in Madrid. Also outside our country, there are camping
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  in Canada, Switzerland, Australia or the United Kingdom. Before there were others
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  evicted with violence in France and Germany, where, as you know, the
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  defense of life and freedom of expression is prosecuted as a crime of hatred.
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  Here too, semper and almeida say that students camp in favor of never no.
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  Gentlemen, it is not they who defend terrorism. It is you who
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  legitimize the terrorist State of Israel. Ayuso says he doesn' t want to
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  see camping, he doesn' t want politics center of the political science faculty.
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  She doesn' t want politics when she doesn' t. He doesn
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  ' t want freedom when it' s not his. He doesn' t
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  want to see the dead because they' re going to die the same way.
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  But they won' t die the same. Even Vaiden has stopped supplying
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  arms to Israel for entry into Rafa. The protest works. They have no
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  conscience or decency, but they are afraid to lose votes. So, a
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  May of two thousand eleven we camped in the squares. That' s why
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  a May two thousand twenty- four is happening again. It has had to
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  be the young people, the same ones who mobilize against the climate crisis,
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  against the terror of their elders. The young people, who are always said
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  to be asleep, have awakened us to the rest. Ya People ne pro
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  To, prost Spoprosteno, the Gets Borreng T C by Barden l Parlston Fort
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  b Pauls Ni de Coña votes in autumn. It says the subject that rapper
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  Mackel More has published against viden and in favor of protests in his country.
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  That' s the only language that understands the fear of losing power. That
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  is what has caused the President of the United States to start timidly changing his
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  stance towards Netanyahu. That is why what has started to happen in universities in
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  many countries, including ours, is so important. After Valencia, Euskadi or
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  Barcelona, Madrid arrived, to which we have come. We are here today
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  because this Tuesday the students decided that it was time to camp during an assembly
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  of the Interuniversity Bloc for Paletina that alutina several university associations of Madrid. They
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  planted their tent here, behind us, in front of the Vice- Rectorate
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  of students of the Complutense, which is also where the monument of the International
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  Brigade is located, the perfect place to call for an end to the genocide,
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  recognition of the Palestinian State and the break with Israel, its universities and
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  everyone who collaborates with its Aparheit regiment. They' re with us today.
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  You have heard them already then those representatives of the camp Rania and Daniel are
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  having support from the University of the Rectorate. Well, so far the support
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  has been in some more logistical things, enabling some restrooms for the night and
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  another subject of situations, but we have not had any gestures yet from the
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  rectorate that aims to listen to our demands and to a break with Israel,
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  which is what we are asking for. It should be borne in mind that
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  we are five public universities here, that the time to manage the dialogue with
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  the different rectorates is complex. If you have to talk, you have to
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  manage. There are also the teachers we need to talk to, because in
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  the end, this is from the academy, the academic world, that we
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  don' t just use the students, the workers, the teachers as well
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  and we' re on it. The thing is to reach the end point,
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  which is to try to cut off all possible academic agreements, even military
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  and business ones, that are in our academic institutions, because we are here
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  on the campus of the Complutense University, but you represent all the universities of
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  Madrid, in the public ones. Yes, that' s right, we
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  are students from all the public universities of Madrid and all the demands go to
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  all the universities and we want this rupture of relations to occur all the public
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  universities of Madrid. This student pressure took effect yesterday at the University of Barcelona,
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  the cloister passed a motion committing to breaking relations with Israel, although the
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  campaign will not rise until students see concrete actions. How did you live from
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  here this achievement wait there' s something like that good. We believe that
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  it is important that university relations with Israel begin to be broken, both with
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  academic instructions and with companies that ask for it, that collaborate and profit from
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  genocide. But we also want this protest to go beyond universities and also to
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  point out to governments that they are accomplices to the genocide and that they continue
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  to sell arms to Israel and maintain all relations, when we are seeing that
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  there is genocide and it is being broadcast live live. Barcelona effectively demonstrates that
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  this can work there, that this is the medium one of the possible means.
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  On the other hand, I felt when you heard the statements of almeida
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  or help trying to block or ban this camping that you want to tell him
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  which one you never did on a personal level, well, I understand that
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  is how these parties work, these ideologies. We must not take them into
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  account, because it is more than clear and that we support and that we
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  do not support. We have many public, even institutional, support. It
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  is a debate that is taking them into account. It doesn' t matter
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  that we know it' s propaganda, somehow or another, to try to
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  delegitimize this, when people with two fingers in front know that this is the
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  right cause and it' s logic in the end we come. We are
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  students, we come from faculties of politics, history, philosophy, we know
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  what we are doing. We' re not, it' s just ridiculous,
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  it just doesn' t make any sense. It' s like talking
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  to the wall Yes, we' re here, we' re here fighting
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  genocide, and the ones who should be ashamed are the ones who are positioning
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  themselves on the side of the genocidals. You, like Di Serrania, know
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  what happens in Palestine, that you thought about what happened on October 7 and
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  what has come next. Assembly level. That has not been seen because it
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  has been more immediate with what we are seeing from direct attacks on the civilian
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  population and the fighters. And so, but of course the pro- Palestinian
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  atmosphere here in Madrid on October 7 has its debates, but of course it
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  was a logical attack, I mean, it was Palestinian resistance. Gazan didn
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  ' t start on October 7 of two thousand and twenty- three. Everyone
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  is accessible information. You put me in Palestinian conflict Israel you know that history
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  begins in forty- eight. It is spoken from the beginning with an objectivi
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  being targets of ethnic cleansing. What happened was that a political group from a
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  section of Palestine tried to defend its section and we see that it does not
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  stay in Gaza. He died massively in cius Jordan. There are more settlers
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  in cius Jordan are disappearing more settlements in a matter of weeks. I mean,
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  it' s something I was already thinking about, it was already present.
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  Israel wants to eat all of historic Palestine. Yes, indeed, we
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  have denounced it on this program countless occasions. As we put the focus on
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  Gaza to put it, the colonial invasion of Jordan City is being re-
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  emphasized and you have the support of the teachers. Dani Yes, the teachers
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  are supporting us, they are in contact with us and offering themselves to give
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  tutoring to whoever is needed and even andon came to give some class. Here
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  we do have workshops of journalism professors, for example, on how to talk
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  to media or political history professors who are giving a bit of a political review
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  for those we are camping. They are present, they support the cause and
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  if they are not present in the classes, they bring the subject up.
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  What. That' s what classes are for, that' s what class
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  is for, and that' s what college is for. And for that
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  we are here and indeed, one of those teachers who was going to give
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  a class to his students about how to speak in public, something much needed
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  in a sampler movement like this, suspended his class to be here today that
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  balladro. Professor, mythical, professor, I have to say from the Faculty
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  of Information Sciences Sieva. That' s right, you' re historical and
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  you' re mythical. How are you? I' m missing a statue.
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  Here I have a doctor, because very well, very well, well,
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  very well me, but what do you think of all this, because
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  really for us it is a wonder, it is a ray of hope within
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  the tragedy that we are living. For the first time the University, all
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  the universities of Madrid, not only the five public ones, but also the
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  one and the one of Alcalá de Henares. Teachers of all subjects are coalitioned
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  to support students in this movement, because for the first time they woke up.
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  Well, they wake up for the first time, we wake up.
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  In the 15th we went back to sleep, right, and now we wake
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  up again. And well, what we' re here for is basically to
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  fight genocide. How you are supporting him, what activities and how you help
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  him. We are good at your service in every way. I mean,
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  they' re the ones who have the voice, in the university' s
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  voice. Right now, we' re teaching and we' re supporting tutoring,
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  we' re doing consultations. Today I was told by a professor of
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  psychology that they are going to offer psychological assistance to students and to people who
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  need to come to the camp, including affected Palestinians. I have spoken to
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  journalists with affected Palestinian families, because what we are living through is a massacre
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  of such volume and intensity that I believe that no one is a university student
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  or can' t stay out of it. So far you missed a clearer
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  position from the university. This was radically missing. Yes, that is,
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  society, above all educational institutions that have to be the consciousness of society.
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  They' re not doing anything at the institutional level. They' re washing
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  their hands, they' re saying they don' t have backups. It
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  can' t be, I mean, what we' re asking for is
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  a conviction. We are calling for a claim for a humanitarian ceasefire in the
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  face of a massacre of this size and the institutions in Spain in general are
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  dizzying the partridge. They' re not doing anything and it' s about
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  having a very clear position. You have to have it. That is to
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  say, we are at a historic moment and Spanish society is lethargic about this
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  issue. It is that there was a massive reaction of all the citizens and
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  also of the universities when the Russian of Ukraine and, however, there has
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  been a silence, sepulcrating with the genocide in Gaza and only that we,
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  from the beginning, were provided Ukrainian flags. We have mobility agreements with students,
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  with teachers, we have welcomed visiting Ukrainian teachers with pompalestina. Nothing.
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  Then it is very striking, because Ukraine was weeks away and there were rapid
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  movements. Statements, Statements in all instances of government with Palestine nothing. Then
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  of course. You have to believe why it' s not clear. Rasbism,
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  racism and interests. The problem of war is the business of war is
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  very clear, that is, it is all the interests below mobility agreements,
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  of research groups that are coordinated, that are developing, for example, research
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  on military drones. There are many interests that are not at best in the
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  media saying live the war, but they are quieting about the war. In
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  fact, you just mentioned there are university research projects for the construction of weapons
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  of war in relation to Israel, and there are many projects and there are
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  many banking bodies that are supporting them from political point of view. In fact,
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  the relationship with Banco de Santander has been requested to be terminated because it
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  participates financially in any of these projects. Exacta is related to the Irealí regulatory
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  industry. The tentacles of the machinery of war and of the war industry are
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  immense and have this society. Yesterday said a very interesting professor, Jorge Ritch
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  Van. Here you have this society completely gagged for interests, for intermediate causes,
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  for selfish reasons of the moment. But we are appealing to conscience a
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  camp like this is an appeal to human consciousness. Here we can' t
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  be thinking about the profit of a bank, in the public image interest of
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  a university. We' re talking about hundreds of slaughtered babies being quartered every
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  day. So, what do we do about that and what can you do
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  to break relations with Israeli universities, to end those projects that are being done
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  here at the Spanish University. You know what rusts they are. We'
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  re on it. The Assembly is working, there is a group that is
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  working to meet us. Throughout today I had planned to upload to Instagram and
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  Twitter that we have from camping what we have studied for the moment. We
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  carry the documents of four universities, of the Complutense, of the Autonomous,
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  of the Juan Carlos and of the Carlos III, where comrades have written and
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  combined all the relations, even military ones that we have. Public academic institutions
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  with the State of Israel. What you said before, and that will be
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  published throughout today, at the latest, tomorrow morning, our networks to make
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  them public. Remind us what those networks are called for those who are listening
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  to the encamped port X, camped by Espada de Madrid, camped in Palestine
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  Madrid on Instagram and camped mat on Twitter. Okay the por is with an
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  X and the teachers if you' re pushing at least there' s the
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  example of the university network for Palestine. What an answer you received from the
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  rectorate, from the rectors for a short time, there is no. We
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  ' re going on Friday. We have a call here at Complutense to bring
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  signatures to the rector to ask him for a very clear institutional position on this.
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  But the university network of the forty universities that are said to be soon
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  are a lot of people so far, well, we' re going to
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  keep going. Let us also take the text that they have developed with their
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  five measures, which are what we are saying. But in principle, apart
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  from the fact that each university individually is waking up and developing these activities,
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  there is not yet at the rectorate level of the EUCR, for example,
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  we do not yet have a statement that we are asking for. That'
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  s what we' re here for. That' s what we' re
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  here for. For that we are here to remember also all the camping that
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  is becoming more and more numerous throughout the world. I' m very grateful
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  to you for being here. It' s my job. This is my
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  task. That' s what I' m for There are many more teachers
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  and teachers who are joining together a lot We have a chat that' s
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  good, that we can' t almost manage anymore. In addition, it
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  is impressive to see professors of aeronautics, architecture, psychology, of really this
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  is the University. You know what universal means is this thing we' re
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  doing now. It is the house of critical thinking and it was already needed
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  and we were hoping that critical thinking would start, become a movement to value