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Talks to Mark McManus about his choice of Death to the Daleks (3/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I'm so drunk. Welcome back to handsome of a
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  blunt penknife the Doctor Who commentary podcast mr.
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  Mark, McManus here we are today talking about one of our
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  favorites. Death to the Daleks and unusual
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  toys twist. Sorry, did you get all of the
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  vhss as we're now as a kid? I did.
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  Yeah. Well, there's a kid and into
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  adulthood. Yeah, quotient.
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  We watch 15. Yeah.
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  So does it not irritate? You know end, then the the kids
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  today can get it all 599 on brick box.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  It does. Yeah.
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  You know what, they don't know, the, you know, that delayed
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  gratification today for waiting. Yeah, there is something to
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  that. Isn't a of waiting, another mom
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  for another one. I don't know.
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  They came out every single month now towards the end, they were
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  they were to a month, I think. I Remember by the time I was at
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  University, I was having to yes kind of really budget for them.
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  I am. I remember invasion of the
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  dinosaurs was the very last one could believe it.
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  Yeah. I think it was the last VHS.
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  I think there's one of the last DVDs as well.
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  The, I really like that bad. Yeah.
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  The last one I got and watched was the time, monster
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  understandable. There was absolutely ages where
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  I hadn't seen the time monster in Attack of the Cybermen, which
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  obviously, To really terrible reputations as well and I kind
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  of didn't want there to be non that I hadn't seen.
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  So I only watched the time monster for the first time a
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  week before Rose was broadcast. That's why I finally finally
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  finished off the all existing episodes of the original series,
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  and then a week later watch Rose.
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  Yeah. Do you remember when they
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  started grouping together? Like the really lamentable
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  stories in box sets to trying like, Myths and legends time.
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  Monster horns. And I'm on.
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  And I'm underwhelmed. Yeah, yeah.
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  Well no one's going to buy them all together.
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  Yeah Earth story as well. Wasn't it?
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  Yes, Tegan tiles. You can sells chameleon well.
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  I'm pleased. I built that collection of
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  slowly because I have a huge love for it in a way that I
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  never could binge watching the whole lot of brick box or the
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  Twitter. Yeah, you know, I think they're
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  all amazing thing. I am pleased this out there for
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  anybody now, but like, you know, getting one of those because I
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  had a dealer, I'm in Scotland is name is Darren.
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  I've just found it on Twitter. Again, I'll tell you.
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  When you do, I'll send you 20 quid and you were sending me.
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  Those VHS is, I like Whatever Seventh Generation seeds of
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  death. The little like, it was filmed
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  in an Arctic Storm. Yeah, these are the people used
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  to get in for Australia as well, didn't they?
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  Yeah. I never had any of those.
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  I had an aunt who had UK gold that would record some of them
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  for me. When I saw I'd give us some
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  blank tapes but yeah it really hits a miss.
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  That was mid nineties, wasn't it?
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  Or mid to late 90s. I remember, I used to watch
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  those UK gold ones. They were like my hangover TV.
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  Yeah. Fry of the nation of the
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  dinosaurs or whatever was screening, you know, oh, field
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  for hangovers. But yeah, I used to beg my mom
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  to get Sky because these things on you, Cagle, High juvenile.
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  I'm sorry, I'm gonna complete the diversion that you would
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  that be S be weekend that they did.
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  Ya reading about it and being desperately jealous.
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  Yeah, we had, we had the SP so eyelid tape and I, but I like,
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  literally, you know, Long play tapes?
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  Yeah, short, they recording I was very filling these bloody
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  things up. Yeah, if it was a different
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  time, welcome but buying them all for the third time.
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  So I haven't bought all the VHS has bought all the DVDs know
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  buying them on Blu-ray. Don't even convince yourself.
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  This is the last time you're going to buy these things.
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  All right? There will be some New Media
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  that's created you know virtual reality Doctor Who, You Know, by
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  definitely becoming the helmet. Yeah. well, we're gonna watch it
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  on humble DVD stroke brick box if you want to really get into
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  episode 3, Best of it in 3, 2 1. Can I tell you a story about my
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  overall health? Mmm.
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  Okay. So I was at the Utopia
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  convention last year, right? You might you've heard this
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  already because I did it in your trap one episode and it was at
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  the end of one of those talks but we wanted to go early and so
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  he's he gets up out of his chair and he's trying to discreetly
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  walk out of a room that was packed full of people while
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  someone's talking on stage. Yeah, and I am Never ever in my
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  life, seen anyone who looked more like the wow, is that a has
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  what I limp and you tear it out of the room?
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  It was the funniest thing I've ever seen.
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  They are fell in love, you know and it all started back earlier.
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  And here he is right now. I love Bilal, he's the way that
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  they, they cast somebody who was so small as well, adds to the,
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  you know, the usual list and the alienness.
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  The fact that Arthur yarol that Arnold sorry, I will the arrow
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  but plays him when he saw the eyes.
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  He thought it looked like a bush baby.
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  So, I went to the zoo and looked at how they move like that.
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  That is commitment for somebody in an alien costume, isn't it?
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  Oh, He's doing body movement and all sorts, isn't he?
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  Like he's really thinking that through.
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  Let's talk, wasn't it? They say in the document, it was
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  talk of him, potentially being a companion.
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  Yeah. How about of works and planet of
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  spiders? You know, it was been
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  fascinating when they're, I mean, I think it's the next
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  story monster of propeller done so that could have worked
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  because he's owed him a lot from bacon, egg sauce.
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  Yeah. So you cause you've got loads of
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  different aliens from different civilizations there.
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  It would have work there in your honor that if had to sort of,
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  like, put a big coat on him and a hat or something.
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  And yeah, it would have been, it would have been interesting and
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  you could have, you know, said something there about You know,
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  kind of well, they do here with Sir, James reaction, don't know
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  the way. She's she's initially quite sort
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  of fearful of him because he's so different, but I watch
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  somebody doing, you know, these YouTube watch alongs where they
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  feel themselves, reacting to Doctor Who.
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  And so, I was watching a fairly up-to-date reaction to this, and
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  the woman was just beguiled by him.
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  You know, that's quite a ghoulish looking costume.
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  He's it In the fairies are. So it is all down to the
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  performance because it could very easily have been menacing
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  and he played it. Yeah, I think I think to make
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  such a friendly alien Lookers, you know kind of sinister as he
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  does because it's quite a school like face in a way.
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  You know I always say to my other off I was go that way
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  leads to death. I'll look at the Daleks in the
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  Half Light. Like they I think I look very
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  stylish this lion. They do they look great and then
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  it goes. The other thing about the last
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  costume is the front. Axial projection.
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  Is it bicycle reflectors? Yeah.
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  So the bridge which you see on the walls of the city and stuff
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  as well. I think that's what the is that
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  what they use for the, for the born, our in silver Nemesis as
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  well? I think, I think so.
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  Yeah. And they certainly the city
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  later. Don't like the walls.
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  Yeah. I'm still the knows they've got
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  the lighting rig out this way, even in daylight, it sort of
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  very many things to make it look like.
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  It's, it's glowing like that. We talked about on the making of
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  how they got the idea for just driving home and thinking about
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  it and seeing a road sign just, you know, light up in the in the
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  car headlights. Thought that work, the green
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  death, isn't that the same sort of thing as well?
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  Yeah, I think so. Yeah, yeah.
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  They say the root attack in the Dalek.
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  But the doctors are going a palpable hits.
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  Yeah. Yeah, good shot sir.
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  They are very charming and seasons and the leopard is a
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  stark contrast from seven and eight.
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  Yeah, yeah. Definitely' is B in the demons.
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  Where is it? Is it the demons where he has to
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  go at the Brigadier and then just for something to the
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  Brigadier and he goes steady on draw?
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  That's York Monday. Was it?
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  You could at least show a bit of respect?
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  Yeah, when he hasn't done it himself.
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  Oh my God. This is harking.
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  Back to the Chase. Isn't it?
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  That bit where Ian comes around the corner with the dark?
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  Well, they acts that when I get it.
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  Yeah. Oh, I love the doctors line in a
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  minute. Sarah, who are you shining
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  friends? Yeah.
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  But okay, so, but I've got a serious question for you and
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  that is, is this where this like narratively?
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  Is this where the story goes off the rails?
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  Because halfway, through this episode we then head to the city
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  and we're doing bloody maze is on the wall.
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  Yeah. It starts to run out of steam a
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  little bit, doesn't it? Because what would interesting
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  that originally the story. Have the Daleks and then it was
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  about the city and the Excellence and everything.
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  Oh, really? Oh yeah.
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  So I guess they I mean, they will probably have got to that
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  sooner without the referral with the Daleks.
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  I might have been more of it so because you can be we can be
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  grateful for that at least. But what's kind of annoying is
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  the idea of the living City with antibodies that can repel people
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  inside and test to go through? Those are interesting ideas.
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  The idea of the Daleks being without power and being without
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  weapons having to think on their feet.
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  That's a really interesting ideas.
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  Yeah, it doesn't quite come together.
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  Does it know? And and yeah, and having to work
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  with you, man gu could have got, yeah, quite a bit of mileage out
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  of that. I think there's the curse of
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  davros, there's a Andreas, not what I'm thinking of there's one
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  with, with Colin Baker's doctor and Terry Malloy is davros where
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  they have to work together in a lab.
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  Davros, that's cool. Just that Rose.
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  Is that what? That's, that's the one where?
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  Yeah, yeah. They're all right.
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  Yeah, you got to talking Scientific Advisor.
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  It's got burned horse forward when deep a breather, but it
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  holds like this. Businessman, who's funding all
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  the work? Yeah, yeah.
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  I didn't think it was that won't be a vote for.
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  I've had it for ages, but yeah, they're trying to sort of outdo
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  each other by turning up earlier.
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  And, oh yeah. Is that what?
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  Yeah, it's terrific. But yeah, it's the same sort of
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  thing. The doctor haven't worked out
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  for us, the Daleks having to work with humans and the doctor.
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  They, they could have got ya, a lot more out of it than they do.
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  It actually could have been quite funny and yeah especially
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  the Daleks of loudly plotting away like right next to them and
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  stuff. Yeah, I think scene to scene
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  because the direction is so good because there's a lot of action
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  in it, you know, it kind of like rattles along.
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  Anyway, despite the first has run out of steam a little bit.
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  And these great big Vistas like that, we just got of the whole
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  Quarry. I gotta say one thing to you,
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  duh. I think I can see several sons
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  in the distance. Yeah, I'm going to show you a
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  film that Nicole Kyle that they went abroad, it made a film.
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  That June is, yeah, they found that engine is here.
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  I think that may have been a bit out of death.
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  To the does dialects budget though, you know?
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  Yeah, it's just very just about, but they don't need it, you
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  know, it's got this. We see the tracks Mark?
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  I think it is right. Why I think this is a he's
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  caught up this three. So Daleks have a little bit of a
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  conference and you can see the real way that they move around
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  on me as long as the shooting like this, just halfway up the
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  skirt. Yeah, it looks terrific and and
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  the way that they're moving around, while he's on the
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  conversation with Galloway as well.
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  I believe that really works. We may have had Patty Russell
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  directionless, you know, because she was approached.
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  Obviously she got invasion of the dinosaurs but she literally
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  said Sperry, let's I'm not going to direct any tin Pepper Potts.
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  So it's partly Brian would probably would have made a nice
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  job of invasion of the dinosaurs as well.
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  You know, when all the way down the hill, there was very clearly
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  on the track was that like yeah, slid down the hill, This is
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  great as well. I think they chose this bit of
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  water as well, because of the unusual color of it, makes it
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  makes it look quite Alien. Come on, my mark, your, I'd lie.
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  Lydell, all these lies. Honestly, this planet is now on
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  the Dalek control. Oh yes, I love the don't forget
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  the missing but the buttons on the Dalek ship they're just
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  great big primary colors. Look at size buttons.
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  Yeah, he rolling remembers. The Darlings actually made a
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  meal out of that. I'd have the sucker shaped thing
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  but it could insert into. Yeah.
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  The sucker. It is amazing.
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  That's quite Star Wars inspired as well, isn't it?
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  It's like a 2d to being able to just sort of Plug into different
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  ports and things of that stuff. And but this is pretty Star
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  Wars, isn't it? This?
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  Yeah, this is, yeah, this is 74, isn't it?
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  So still, it's still a few years away.
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  Maybe you're right. Then, you know, maybe they still
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  has passed. I was a Dallas.
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  Just, did you just watch Doctor Who?
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  I don't know if she's ever admitted it, but I think he must
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  have done Sunday night. I Ridley Scott was watching
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  Arkin space. Yeah.
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  Well, there's that story that Ridley Scott was working in the
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  special effects Department in the sixties, and it was like
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  50/50, whether it was him or Raymond Cusack, they've got to
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  design. The Daleks wasn't it.
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  I'll really - I might be misremembering.
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  This is ringing a bell, you know.
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  Yeah. Yeah, that's that.
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  Yeah. Like if you're just been his
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  turn, you know, on rotation kind of thing, it would have been
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  really Scott. This own sure.
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  Could've been something completely different.
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  It probably why you seen the original sketches with?
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  Yeah? Calipers.
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  That they had terrible. Have you ever heard the Nick
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  Briggs? Audio Adventure is written one
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  or two? You know, the Excellence.
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  No, I haven't heard that one. Don't bother it's terrible.
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  It's basically but you know he actually has the nerve him City
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  Schools himself. I think I know Alyce lock
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  schools it but they actually use the same instruments as Caribe
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  lion bro. So it's all very authentic to
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  this but is basically this Right before I think Kerry blatant
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  nephew of Enid. Blyton is he really?
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  Yeah. Well, according to Michael Lee
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  Bryant autobiography. Anyway, Barry Letts says he
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  doesn't line carry blind, but we all know that's who he's talking
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  about that. He did not like his music and
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  carry button kept asking him. Like I want, you know, will you
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  hire me again? And one day I had to turn around
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  him and say that I'm really sorry, but I don't like what you
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  produce. I won't use you.
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  I do that. I was I like Barry lettuces
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  honesty and integrity. There was a there was a bit
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  there, we could slogan, see the track that?
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  I love this scene, the they, they sell it.
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  I mean it's probably is how cumbersome the costumes are but
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  how difficult their finding it to get out of the water.
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  And then there's the one, the one that's trapped, like he's
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  sort of sinking or something, always puts trapped.
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  And the scale of the scale of How High that goes, and the data
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  being really in it. It's just the why I say
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  anything. But who cares?
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  Yeah, look at that every shot, but this was, again, you sort of
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  see the making of stuff. They had to use thicker piano
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  wire than they originally intended.
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  Because they, you know, when they when they trialled it,
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  they're like, yeah, that can lift it when they did it on
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  location. It was full of water.
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  It's heavier. So they had to use a thicker.
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  Why are which then, you know, reflected the sunlight reflects
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  off it? But I like the fact that once it
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  once it blows up the garlic in it slides into the water, like
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  it's very satisfied with its meal, you know?
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  Like yeah, like, it's like an anaconda or something.
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  Yeah. Like going back into the, the
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  Amazon or something. Look at these darling.
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  So, looking at each other. Yeah, we underestimated.
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  That didn't. I think that's that's it's great
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  that I think it's again, if it wasn't for the wire just
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  something really, really cinematic about that but but
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  it's a lot of unusual imagery again.
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  Is it the Exxon on fire? In the water?
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  The dialect coming down the bank and floating in the water.
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  He's yeah, he's feeling this story full of memorable imagery.
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  Now who did it? Bear pyramids are miles or death
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  to the Daleks symbols on the wall.
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  It's funny, isn't it? And you get your ties into the
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  Robert Holmes, you know, kind of cutting his teeth.
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  The script editor on this one that, you know, that there is
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  one of the things that will come back to this because it is so
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  Jen Smith even says this reminds me of the city, the Excellence,
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  bloody nerve saying that it doesn't even go inside it.
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  It must be that the doctors told her about it.
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  You know, thinking about it. You know, all the scenes coming
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  up between the doctrine, Bulow. They do have a lovely chemistry.
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  It yeah, it could have been quite interesting.
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  I think Arnold arrows, just turned 100, you know.
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  Wow, yeah. Yeah, cuz he was somebody's
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  voice. So we've got to get, he came
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  back and played, not Bilal, but another, a lie, and I think for
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  big finish, I think it was neat. Doctor wonder that.
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  I need to look it up to it was but he just played very
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  similarly to the LOL in terms of his intonations and things.
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  But yeah, he's 200. Now that kind of been that long
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  ago and it's been You must have been a good age, whatever you
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  are. Told what happened to Joe
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  Terror? This story.
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  She get away at the end. Yeah, pretty sure she does.
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  Yeah, we gave more lovely POV shots.
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  Okay, I've got a, I've got a Dalek feed question for you then
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  because realistically, this probably isn't the best Dalek
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  story even though we have a massive films for it.
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  So if look what would like your Top 3.x stories be across the
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  entirety classic and new as a toughie.
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  Yeah, it is, isn't it? I've got so remembrance.
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  Okay. Ya, go yessss Genesis, this
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  high. But a denial of power that I can
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  devote. The Daleks, how is he not Opry
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  easily? Yeah.
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  And and even yeah, maybe, maybe those three actually, maybe they
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  would just push Genesis in the first place to me.
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  But you know how conniving they are in power of the Daleks and
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  like, that's how good this could have been, you know?
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  Yeah. Plotting behind the scenes.
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  I'm not real lives if he is the city of the Exelon.
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  Has become a still picture. Flashing Beacon.
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  Oh, hello! This is that serious?
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  This. Yeah, this is the yeah I think
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  it is. It's weird because it's two
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  stories in, but it suggests a real intimacy between the pair
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  of. Mm-hmm.
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  When she says, they just don't want to be lumbered with me
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  this, I hadn't really thought about it until now.
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  But yeah, he's constantly trying to ditcher or well, not ditcher
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  but he's trying to avoid putting here in dangerous situations as
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  well as other than when he just wanders off at the start.
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  And I think it must be kind of do.
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  Yeah. You know, and then he tries to
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  get himself murdered about four times between then and the end
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  of planets, remember that security alarm goes off.
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  Yeah, but you have reaction in that same as well.
• 22:42
  It's fantastic. When he when he's always opened
• 22:45
  and she's crying. That's a reservoirs.
• 22:50
  Isn't it? Where I guess you thought I was
• 22:52
  dead, didn't you? Yeah, you're always.
• 22:56
  Here we go. This, this V comes back, doesn't
• 22:58
  he? It's a very human Joe come back
• 23:03
  to go off with the Marine sort of thing.
• 23:05
  And yeah, let's say cups of face, you would absolutely
• 23:08
  believe that one of them was leaving.
• 23:10
  I think, given the the time put into that scene Normally take
• 23:18
  time to think about that as well.
• 23:20
  If it's splitting up and going to do something dangerous, he
• 23:22
  doesn't take the time to think who, hang on.
• 23:24
  If I die, you won't be able to fly the Tardis.
• 23:27
  You better go with these lot, and I'll take you back to Earth.
• 23:32
  I think that's what's happening in Impossible Planet.
• 23:34
  It's a near the end where Rose is going to go off with ya.
• 23:39
  The doctors cough. Yeah we don't do it very often.
• 23:42
  It did you notice the city they were shot on film rather than
• 23:46
  yeah? And I forgot.
• 23:49
  Okay, here we go guys puzzle. Our yeah, you know what?
• 23:55
  One of the puzzles is so simple. It's like which symbol does not
• 23:59
  conform. Oh yeah, that well.
• 24:01
  So so it's the maze to be fair, isn't it?
• 24:03
  It's, it's like those things you get on placemats in like kids
• 24:09
  when a kid goes to a restaurant and the placemats got the here,
• 24:13
  got the Maison. It if you hadn't have got that
• 24:16
  right. Yeah.
• 24:18
  Yeah. There's a lot of bloody
• 24:19
  skeletons in the room. That's a cliffhanger that style,
• 24:45
  that's also fine. That was going to be my out
• 24:48
  question, I'm going to ask you now.
• 24:51
  That's the lamest. Good Fargo we have ever had, I
• 24:57
  think it probably is Jason Miller will tell you about.
• 25:02
  He does a presentation at conventions about Cliffhangers
• 25:06
  because they I think they cut some of the, the 45-minute,
• 25:11
  like, Colin Baker episodes into 25 minute episodes in America.
• 25:17
  So So there's some really crazy ones like the two doctors.
• 25:20
  I think you said there's one where they just sort of see the
• 25:23
  Villa Point to it, or the Hacienda or whatever, and then
• 25:26
  it just crashes into titles and stuff.
• 25:29
  So, there's some very randomly edited ones in America in the
• 25:32
  five doctors. There's, I know there's a
• 25:35
  cliffhanger when they cut it up for Australia, which is where
• 25:39
  the master comes down the stairs, right?
• 25:42
  Of rats, Sinister music, you know, I've never seen that car
• 25:50
  everywhere. But I think that's one thing
• 25:53
  that Salvage is a cliffhanger. The the floor one is there is
• 25:57
  sudden so yeah it's almost like your brain doesn't have that too
• 26:01
  long to think but then in the next episode then when we go
• 26:03
  into playing hopscotch it's like okay.
• 26:06
  All right. Yeah therefore something up a
• 26:09
  bit more cerebral a bit more. Yeah because even if the doctor
• 26:13
  had slightly stepped on it and the lightning you come down or
• 26:15
  something like that. You know.
• 26:16
  Can oh I love that bit when the dollar goes over it though.
• 26:19
  Yeah. Terrible headache.
• 26:21
  Doesn't he? I don't understand.
• 26:25
  It's certainly a pattern on the wall.
• 26:27
  Yes. It's gonna be great Voice work.
• 26:31
  Yeah. We simply add to these
• 26:34
  decorations cop to the skeleton. Yeah, like you could probably
• 26:39
  keep trying it again if he said earlier and you know I you know
• 26:44
  what, there's a big hint as to how the story is stuttering
• 26:49
  because daddy Simpson now is wall-to-wall, music to add
• 26:53
  tension to these saying, so and the Daleks are coming.
• 26:56
  It's like constant music. When you when you see the next
• 27:01
  to each other, he really is significantly shorter than
• 27:05
  Pertwee as me. It really does make him seem
• 27:08
  like like a different species as it died along with the costume
• 27:12
  and the movement and everything else.
• 27:14
  So was Joe Grant and Sarah Jane Smith though.
• 27:16
  That's true. That's true.
• 27:18
  A polling for a Daleks are doing the simple thing, not the
• 27:23
  highest point in their career, they shy away from showing them
• 27:27
  doing the maze. We literally watch it.
• 27:35
  Here we go. Yes, you've got it?
• 27:38
  Yeah, cries okay. Well you've got very bored with
• 27:43
  this script only, huh. Because the other thing about
• 27:46
  this story is that it was during the making of this one that part
• 27:49
  we decided to leave, wasn't it? I was just when it was
• 27:53
  announced. No, this is this is when he
• 27:55
  decided that. Well that's it's one of these
• 28:01
  things that people are Speculate about what, what the exact
• 28:05
  moment was when you decided what to do anymore.
• 28:09
  The time I was on when Lemoore condemning the Brigadier for
• 28:12
  blowing up aliens and a great moral dilemma.
• 28:15
  And now I'm tracing a bloody maze on the wall.
• 28:17
  Yeah. I think I think it was in the
• 28:21
  air because of Katie Manning leaving and Roger, Delgado, with
• 28:24
  died, and let some dicks already announced that they won't stay
• 28:29
  and be on there. So it's probably just sort of on
• 28:31
  his mind. Anyway but this was only
• 28:33
  actually made the decision and told them that you know it
• 28:36
  wasn't gonna be in the next series.
• 28:38
  You know what's disappointing here as well is that after some
• 28:43
  terrific design work? These are very drab sets that
• 28:47
  they are wanted although later on right when this he puts in
• 28:51
  like the virus and all the doors are going working.
• 28:59
  There we go. Oh my God.
• 29:04
  But hang on. What's that supposed to be?
• 29:08
  No, I think he has been missing the complete history.
• 29:12
  The episode either overrun or under run or something like
• 29:15
  that. So the debates answer, just the
• 29:18
  usual patterning, I'm gonna guess where I think the
• 29:21
  Cliffhanger was going to because I think I know what it is, the
• 29:24
  bit where the Daleks come around the corner and we don't know
• 29:28
  that they've gone into the city. And there's a close up on the
• 29:30
  gun down. Bobby there.
• 29:34
  I bet that was supposed to be the Cliffhanger.
• 29:36
  It's either something like that or something with the the
• 29:41
  antibodies. I think, from what I read I
• 29:45
  can't remember. Now the antibodies as 10 minutes
• 29:48
  15 minutes into episode for ya. You know I may be going to bring
• 29:52
  them in sooner or as a lot of chat.
• 29:54
  Now I read about this in the in the complete history any manners
• 29:57
  but they had terrible trouble. Didn't they?
• 29:58
  Like play a spider's shifts around the Cliffhanger Up,
• 30:02
  carnival is amazing. Well, I don't think the hand
• 30:05
  picking up. The Tardis in carnival muscles
• 30:07
  were supposed to be the cliff there.
• 30:09
  I mean, that's fortuitous because it's bloody brilliant.
• 30:11
  It's brilliant. Yeah.
• 30:13
  And then there's the bit in Planet spiders episodes 5 to 6,
• 30:19
  where is all recap in episode 6. So we don't even start where the
• 30:25
  Cliffhanger out is and the Cliffhanger hits five minutes
• 30:28
  into episode 6. Yeah.
• 30:32
  Yeah, it's weird that they were making it up as I go along.
• 30:35
  I'm telling ya. Ya, boom.