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Random Heathen Ramblings: S5, EP33 - Unveiling The Mysteries [feat. Skaldic Works] · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  Hello everyone, and welcome to the Random Heathen Ramblings
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  podcast where we discuss all sorts of things Germanic
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  Well, well, well, welcome back everybody.
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  Thank you so much for returning to the resumption.
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  I should say resuming season 5 here of the Random Heathen
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  Ramblings podcast after a little bit of a break.
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  Last week there was no show. So if you're catching this on
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  the last weekend of August, this is this is the last episode of
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  August. Yeah, we are going to be moving
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  into the Labor Day weekend now, coming in.
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  So if you are in the United States and getting a chance to
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  have an extended holiday weekend with friends and family and
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  enjoying in such things as you do, whether it's cooking out or,
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  you know, spending time in nature, you know, I know some
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  heathens like to do bloats and something like that in the US.
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  You know, whatever, whatever your traditions are, whatever
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  your custom is around the Labor Day week.
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  And if you observe, I hope you have a safe and fun one.
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  I've been, I've been laid up for a bit, folks.
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  I'm, I'm just now I, I, to be honest with you, I almost
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  cancelled this week entirely, but I didn't want to leave the
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  people without an episode for this week.
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  Last week's the, the episode we didn't have one because I was
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  just getting back in town from a, a, a vacation in Panama City
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  Beach and, and, and I had just gotten back that night and I
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  just couldn't bring myself to, to decompress from the trip well
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  enough to get an episode recorded.
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  Lot to do with, you know, being in the right headspace and
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  comfortability and and all that sort of stuff.
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  And then about Friday, Saturday, I guess it was Saturday and
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  Saturday into Sunday I started, I had AII think what is a a a a
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  gout flare up in my knee. All I know is my knee has been
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  extremely swollen. My kneecap like right on my
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  kneecap, my right knee and I, I haven't been able to sit in like
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  I mean, I'm I'm basically at a point right now where I can sit
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  without my leg being without being in excruciating pain from
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  from the flare up. I was basically on my back for
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  since Sunday couldn't go to work and you know, even though my job
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  is a sit down kind of office job, sitting down like I I had
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  my my desk set up has nowhere for me to like lay my leg up.
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  It was just I and even with my leg up, it was I was just in the
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  agonizing pain. I have what I like to believe is
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  a very high threshold of pain things.
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  You know, I can, I can endure pain pretty well, but this gout
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  flare up or whatever it has been and, and sometimes in some cases
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  literally brought me to tears. I, I was in a really bad way
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  self medicating, you know, staying off of it, icing and
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  then keeping ice off of it because come to find out that
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  that that's not necessarily the best thing to do repeatedly.
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  So, you know, mainly just elevating it, trying to stay off
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  of it as much as I could. Some medication has helped.
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  So you know, it's it's stiff now more than anything.
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  I can barely bend my knee. So my walk, I got a bit of a a
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  GIMP to my to my step. You know, I got a little bit of
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  pimp in my GIMP, as they say, but I'm I'm on the mend and I
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  didn't want another week to go by without muscling through and
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  coming on here to get this episode out.
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  Because I know when I announced last week or earlier this week,
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  whenever you guys saw the topic of this week's episode, I knew
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  that it was going to be a fun one and I just I didn't want to
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  first of all, you know, big shout out to my guest this week
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  because I've had to reschedule this episode recording three
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  times, once because of getting back late from Panama City Beach
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  and then twice because of this thing going on with my knee.
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  So thank you so much, Blake, who is my guest this week, Blake
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  Russell from SCULD. It works for being so
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  understanding and so flexible to be able to come on and and
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  record this on an off day. So a big shout out to the Blake
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  guys. Be sure to follow him on Sculd.
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  It works. All of his social media that
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  show notes of this podcast episode.
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  So a very special thanks to him again, the topic this week of,
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  of, you know, what should we or shouldn't we share with other
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  people when it comes to our approaches, our practices to
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  divination, to runic divination specifically?
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  Because as I understand, Blake has recently gotten into
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  studying more of, of, you know, runic magic and, and runic
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  esotericism and, and the magic of the runes.
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  And he's, he's asked me a few questions and he emailed me
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  about this some time ago and asked, you know, if this would
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  be something that I had thoughts on.
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  And I did get my initial thoughts and response.
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  But I, I said, you know, I think it'd be great to have you come
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  back on the show and I was talk about it because I'm sure he has
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  thoughts and approaches on it. And you know, for the listeners
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  and the viewers, you know, it'd be fun for you guys to to hear
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  out here that, you know, either work in the runes or work with
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  the runes that we'll have an opinion or thoughts on, on this
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  particular view on things. And so, yeah, I'd be interested
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  Vitkis or, or Voorvas or whatever term you want to put to
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  You know how we as those practitioners feel about, you
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  What the hell is wrong with me? Blake Russell.
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  Good. I'm not.
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  That handsome, can you? Imagine.
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  Can you imagine if I got that that that that that guy on this
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  show? Oh.
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  Yeah. But anyway, sorry that sorry
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  about that, but Blake Russell of Scalded Works, a return guest
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  and a friend of mine. Welcome back to the show, Blake.
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  Thanks for being here. No.
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  Problem. Good to have you back man, how
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  you been? I've been OK, I've been good.
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  That's. Good.
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  Yeah, just that's good. So I guess, you know, for the
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  sake of our time and everything, like everybody's.
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  I had a week off last week. I was in Panama City.
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  We actually had this scheduled for last week, but I, I came
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  back and I was like, I need to decompress and, and stuff.
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  I thought I was going to be in the right headspace and
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  everything and it just didn't happen.
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  But as I mentioned your this, but I mentioned in the intro, I
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  was like, thank you so much for your flexibility and
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  understanding when it comes to pushing this out.
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  I didn't want to, I didn't want to push it out any further.
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  So we're here now, you know, and I and I, you know, I, I
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  appreciate that, you know, things happen and having that
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  understanding. Appreciate it.
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  Oh yeah. You got to be like water, man.
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  Like water. That's what Bruce Lee said, I
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  think, right? Yeah, Be.
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  Like water? Yeah.
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  Walter, my friend, be Walter. Walter.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  But yeah, so you had sent me an interesting e-mail a while back
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  with regards to like runic divination.
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  Yeah. And we kind of had an exchange
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  back and forth and and you were like, I don't know if this is
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  worth coming on the podcast about.
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  And I thought it absolutely was because the audience of, of
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  people that this reaches are first of all, probably into
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  runic divination themselves or at least exploring it or, you
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  know, thinking about it and you yourself.
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  I just, I'm, I'm curious. I, I know I've crafted a rune
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  set for you recently. That was a Younger Futhark rune
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  set. Yeah.
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  Most of the rune sets that I've crafted for people have been
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  Elder Futhark. And you opted for a younger
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  Futhark rune set. And I, I think you've kind of
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  approached runic divination a little bit differently than
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  other runologists or, or runners maybe in that you're, you're
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  focusing on using the Younger Futhark runes, right?
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  Yeah, yes, for right now, my personal use right now is the
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  Younger Futhark until I get to where I can learn them better
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  and to know them better And for more public, for people, other
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  people that I do it for, I'll use the elder.
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  All right. Yeah, and it was.
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  Interesting. Sorry.
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  It's a set that you're that you gave me.
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  It's personality is just off the charts right now.
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  It's just, it's just give me these wild readings.
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  I'm like OK. This happens, I guess I, you
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  know, and this is, this is an interesting thing for me to talk
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  to somebody about because I don't, I don't get the chance
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  often to speak to people who I've crafted rune sets for after
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  they've received them. And, and, and, and that's OK.
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  And I, I don't, I don't expect to ever be like, Hey, tell me
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  how they're doing or anything like that.
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  I always, I always put, you know, my, my energy, my focus
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  into the crafting of them for the person.
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  And, you know, I always hope that they serve them well in the
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  capacity that they're being leveraged and used.
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  Oh, yeah. So yeah, it's interesting.
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  What? What do you mean by like wacky
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  or off the wall things? Like you have a new example.
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  Like for instance, I'm still trying to translate the the this
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  the reading that I got last time from him, which is a couple of
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  about a week or two ago. I, I, I asked the question
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  because in I have a, I have like ability to see the people call
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  it clairvoyance or something like that.
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  But I see like in my mind sometimes.
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  Well, I closed my mind or, or closed my eyes to sleep one
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  night and as I was drifting off the sleep, I just kept seeing
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  the number 2, which I never, I don't usually see numbers that
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  that much. So I try to figure out what it
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  means. So I asked the runes, but I, I
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  did this at my lunch, my lunch break at work.
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  So I was like, I, it took me like a long time just to figure
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  out what these were because I'm still trying to learn the
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  younger, get to know the younger full target a little bit more
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  and get that the room set a bit more.
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  And I just so I decided, well, I'm just going to take a picture
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  of this and look at it later. And I'm still, I'm still right
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  now trying to figure out what the meaning of that was.
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  OK. That's, I mean, you know, I,
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  I've had my own personal sort of visions or experiences in a
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  state of mind where our conscious is at rest.
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  So the subconscious comes through whether it's in a dream
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  state or within a, you know, before you dream state or, or in
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  that sort of in between stage of sleep and you know, you're still
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  kind of like aware of things, but your mind is drifting into a
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  space where you can connect to that plane.
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  Awareness. And yeah, I know what you mean
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  by that. You know, you start getting
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  signals or or feelings or visions even.
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  You know. Like like, like since like in
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  the in like more esoteric realm of things, the like psychics,
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  we'll call it spirit as well like or the universe or the by
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  energy, because I use, I use a lot of different terminology
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  because some people don't know the Norse terminology is like we
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  did. Right the.
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  The Norse and dramatic terminology so I'll use
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  different concepts to explain different things to other people
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  but. But yeah, the past couple of
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  readings though of the set that I got from you have been either
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  a little bit like not so pleasant.
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  Yeah, yeah, like the hard truth kind of.
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  And that's, and that's the personality that's given off
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  right now. And I and you would probably
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  hear like in the even like in like tarot cards and stuff like
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  that, they call that each deck has a personality out.
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  Well, I think that each rune set has its own personality.
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  OK, do you have more than one rune set that you that you work
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  with? Yes, I have 3.
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  Interesting. I have, so I have, I have, I
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  have three. Also the one set was gifted to
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  me and I would never, I would never gift them.
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  I don't know. I they were gifted to me.
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  So to me, they're kind of like mine.
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  Yeah, I I wouldn't gift them back, but I never used them.
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  I used them initially when I started to get into like when I
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  first was because like my path into the runes was was revealed
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  to me through a sort of dream state right in my subconscious.
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  And then I was boldly awakened from that state to be sort of
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  pushed toward the direction of the runes or the direction you
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  need to go in. And.
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  The rune set that was gifted to me was the rune set that I
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  learned, started learning the Elder Futhark runes in.
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  And then since then I've crafted my own set, which is the, the
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  set that I use to do public readings.
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  And then I also I'm in possession of a set of runes
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  that are the collective set of my tribe.
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  So it's not mine. I am sort of the, the, the, the
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  keeper of them, if you will. Those rooms only come out for
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  tribal affairs or within the company of trusted allies and
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  friends. You know, so there's a little
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  bit of a sort of like closed off protectiveness about that set of
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  rooms. They are made of elk bone and
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  and so like they're they don't get used for anybody else except
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  for again, my tribe affairs or the affairs of those who are
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  closely integrated with our tribal weird.
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  And. Listeners of the viewers, what
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  we're talking about like, you know, people who may not
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  necessarily be affiliated or associated 100% with the tribe
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  that I'm associated with, but that have become close enough to
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  where they're like an extension of that family.
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  They're like a, they're like a cousin or, or you know what I
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  mean? Like they're, they're considered
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  family, you know what I mean? So yeah, I have, I have a few
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  different sets and they do behave differently.
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  You know, I noticed that the, the one set that I use for
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  public readings, which interestingly enough, is the set
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  that I use for like my monthly Patreon room polls, of which
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  you're 1. So you get a monthly room poll
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  every month that like those rooms are, are the ones that I
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  use for my public services. If I'm, if I'm asked to be
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  present or I'm or, or do ruin readings or I'm offering that as
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  a service, yeah, that sort of thing.
• 22:28
  And, and for things like that. But the, but the outbones don't
• 22:32
  get brought out except for private affairs.
• 22:34
  So there's, again, there's this, there's this separation between
• 22:39
  the items being used as as being sacred to the group in which
• 22:43
  it's associated. So yeah, I don't know that that
• 22:48
  may be something that's like unique to me or, or maybe others
• 22:52
  have a similar idea or approach to it.
• 22:54
  You know, I, I only use these rooms for certain I, you know,
• 22:57
  certain situations. Just.
• 23:02
  Just like the room set that you made, I only use it for personal
• 23:05
  right now until I till I learn what the personality of that
• 23:10
  room set is and get to and get to know it.
• 23:14
  And when it knows it, when it knows it when when it knows me,
• 23:17
  I know it. It's that's when when I would
• 23:23
  decide whether or not it's safe or not to whether it wants to be
• 23:30
  brought out into the public. Yeah, now you.
• 23:34
  Oh, go ahead. But I have a room set that's
• 23:39
  really, really, really weird personality because of the way
• 23:41
  it's shaped the it's not like on flat disk like you like normal
• 23:48
  like wood sets and stuff. It's actually a cedar set that's
• 23:54
  they're cubes. Oh, like like blocks or?
• 23:59
  Yeah, like. Blocks.
• 24:00
  Yeah, and they will. They don't always land face up
• 24:03
  or face down, so it doesn't lay on their sides.
• 24:06
  And those are interesting readings too.
• 24:09
  Yeah, yeah. And that goes into kind of the
• 24:13
  topic of you coming on the show today because your, your, you
• 24:17
  know, your e-mail that you had sent me was kind of asking the
• 24:20
  question or posing a question along the lines of, you know,
• 24:25
  should we? Or.
• 24:27
  Or, you know, how should we or should we even be sharing this
• 24:34
  knowledge of our methods, right? Us as as readers of the runes.
• 24:39
  So, you know, different, different titles go with
• 24:41
  different things, you know, So a lot of times in the Norse or
• 24:44
  whatever communities, there's, you know, your, your, your Vitki
• 24:47
  or your Volevas are the runers, the rune readers, the ones who
• 24:51
  have taken the time and, and gone under the, the, the
• 24:55
  necessary, say, trainings or, or, or processes to learn
• 25:03
  reading of runes. And how much of that, if any,
• 25:08
  should we be sharing to others, whether by voluntary questions
• 25:13
  or involuntary offering of information, I think was the
• 25:17
  nature of the question that you that you posed, right?
• 25:21
  Yeah, like I said, I I was talking like the term I use with
• 25:26
  you is round table discussion, but we could probably also call
• 25:30
  it talk shop. Sure.
• 25:34
  Yeah. So if if I were to ask you, hey
• 25:37
  Blake, you know, how much of your runic, how much of your
• 25:41
  process do you share with people that don't ask you about your
• 25:45
  process, what would be your answer?
• 25:50
  It would vary like it's, it's depends on if we're all sitting
• 25:53
  around discussing it with each other.
• 25:57
  But if but I don't just normally disclose my process to somebody
• 26:04
  even if they ask me or not, you know?
• 26:06
  Yeah, but. If we all like say like, we
• 26:09
  like, say like you, me and some other people were sitting around
• 26:13
  say like. Peers of the community perhaps,
• 26:17
  or something like yeah. Like, like, yeah, like we're
• 26:20
  sitting around and probably at a event somewhere together, just
• 26:25
  sitting around a fire or something like that.
• 26:26
  And we just, and somebody just starts to talk about rude
• 26:30
  devastation, then that may be an appropriate time to talk shop as
• 26:37
  long as, you know, disclose everything.
• 26:42
  Yeah. So like.
• 26:44
  Have you ever, have you ever had a case where somebody had,
• 26:48
  whether you've been at, you know, I don't know how you've
• 26:51
  done public readings, whether it's been like at an event or
• 26:54
  you've offered your services at a location and people come to
• 26:57
  you. Have you ever been in a
• 27:00
  situation at a time like that where a stranger comes to you
• 27:06
  and wants the rooms read where you've given a background of
• 27:11
  your process or the steps of your process or anything?
• 27:14
  Or do you just be like, well, thanks, welcome.
• 27:16
  Let's go. And you just go about your
• 27:18
  business. Like do you want, do you want to
• 27:21
  touch a little bit on, on that aspect of it?
• 27:25
  Yeah. Well, mostly what I've been
• 27:27
  doing is doing it for like friends and family and and and
• 27:32
  Co workers that have showed interest in me doing it.
• 27:37
  But when I do it, I do explain what each rune represents.
• 27:44
  You know, I'll, I think I'll go into the detail how I read, but
• 27:50
  when I read the runes, I would, I would sit down, cast the runes
• 27:57
  and then I'll go through, explain each room that's on the
• 28:04
  board or on the table in a way, and then translate that rune
• 28:12
  according to my intuition, so to speak.
• 28:17
  Like. And then I'll.
• 28:18
  So yeah, I do explain a little bit what's going on so they
• 28:21
  understand a little bit more detail, but I don't go into my
• 28:26
  methodology of how, you know how I do it.
• 28:32
  Yeah, it would, it would almost be like, to me it, you know,
• 28:34
  it'd almost be like if if somebody were to go to a doctor
• 28:37
  or surgeon or a dentist or, or any sort of profession of the,
• 28:40
  of the medicine field. And I'm just pulling that from
• 28:44
  the top of my head because it's the easiest thing that I can
• 28:46
  come to correlate with this. You know, you're not going to
• 28:48
  necessarily ask a brain surgeon what is your process of brain
• 28:53
  surgery? You know what I mean?
• 28:55
  There's a level of trust, I believe that the, the person
• 29:00
  going into the procedure needs to place on the performer of
• 29:05
  said act. So the, the, the patient needs
• 29:08
  to trust the surgeon. There's going to be questions,
• 29:12
  of course. And you know, again, it's, it's,
• 29:13
  it's, it may be apples and oranges when it comes to, you
• 29:16
  know, the, the, the medicine field and magic or, or
• 29:20
  divination, that sort of thing. But I do, I feel like, you know,
• 29:23
  there, there's no, there's no reason for us as, as you know,
• 29:28
  rune readers to break it down step by step, every single
• 29:34
  methodology because it is so intuitive, right?
• 29:37
  There's, there's so much of our intuition that is being relied
• 29:40
  upon in the moment, in the reading that brings forth what
• 29:46
  we're seeing or what we're being fed or what we're being informed
• 29:48
  of, you know? So, yeah, I, I.
• 29:53
  Yeah, I kind. Of agree in the sense that yeah,
• 29:56
  there's there's people that come at least that have come to me.
• 29:58
  I don't know about you who have, who have gotten rune readings
• 30:02
  from me and they've never had a rune reading done for them.
• 30:07
  So you mentioned earlier that you, you cast the runes.
• 30:11
  I also cast the runes. Yeah not everybody does.
• 30:15
  I know a lot of people use a sort of spread type method where
• 30:19
  runes are placed in a very grid like format, almost as if
• 30:22
  they're doing tarot. Yeah, I.
• 30:24
  Did I did that with tarot? I did that with tarot with the
• 30:27
  with the spreads. But but runes like the casts,
• 30:36
  just like osteomancy bow casting must be casts, and that's
• 30:43
  something I'm that's something else I'm looking into in
• 30:45
  divination as well as that. But right now it's just the
• 30:51
  ruins is my is more my speciality.
• 30:55
  I'm not a specialist, but I I specialize.
• 31:00
  Does that make sense? Yeah, that's your area.
• 31:03
  Like that's where you want to focus on, you know that that's
• 31:05
  where you're taking your your attention and your and your
• 31:07
  focus on how, how long, how long have you been focusing or
• 31:12
  specializing, if you want to say on the runes as a form of
• 31:16
  divination? Since late last year, actually.
• 31:22
  OK. So almost a year now.
• 31:25
  Yes, you went up. On a year.
• 31:27
  Yes, it was probably after the Halon concert actually, that got
• 31:33
  me started on like, oh. Really.
• 31:35
  On on the well, not just the runes itself, but on the the
• 31:40
  journey that I'm on. And I use the runes to help me
• 31:48
  help help guide me, help make things clear what's going on,
• 31:53
  what's going on in a certain situation because I can't
• 31:55
  clearly hear my ancestors all the time.
• 31:59
  So at this point I'm working on that.
• 32:03
  But but that's later on, it takes probably practice for some
• 32:07
  people. Some people are just gifted at.
• 32:10
  But I had to work, work harder at some things, just like music
• 32:14
  comes naturally to meet me and maybe harder for somebody like
• 32:18
  you. But the ruins, I used to get
• 32:23
  more clarification in the moment, and it was kind of funny
• 32:29
  and cliche at the moment, but a couple of months ago or earlier
• 32:32
  this year, I was actually, I was given the blessing of the runes
• 32:42
  by ODA himself. As cliche as it sounds.
• 32:48
  If you want to hear that, if you want to hear that, I would.
• 32:51
  Love to, I would love to hear that.
• 32:53
  All right. It was my first actual drum
• 32:56
  journey session that I've actually experienced because I
• 33:00
  just got on the fence about doing a drum journey or going to
• 33:03
  one. But there's there's a woman that
• 33:06
  owns a local shop here in town and she doesn't like every once
• 33:11
  in a while. So I went there for the first
• 33:14
  one and then all of a sudden that was I met my Celia, which
• 33:24
  is a horse actually. Really.
• 33:27
  Yes. Very cool.
• 33:28
  Nice. I, I knew it was a horse for a
• 33:31
  long time because again, I started like dabbling in runes
• 33:35
  for even longer. Like I, I guess my set long
• 33:39
  before I started practicing it. And I did a practice cast with
• 33:43
  that and the other one I said that had blocks in it.
• 33:47
  And Edwards came up a lot in both sets in both sets and I was
• 33:55
  like, whoa. So I, I did some soul searching
• 34:01
  and stuff and I found out that it was a horse.
• 34:04
  But as part of this journey, the horse I got on its back and I
• 34:10
  climbed this mountain and on top of this mountain on the Cliff
• 34:14
  side was Odin as an old man kind of like, and he just placed the
• 34:18
  ruins of my aunt. And I took that as a sign like
• 34:25
  maybe this I'm on the right path here.
• 34:31
  Did he say anything or was there any words exchanged in the no
• 34:34
  word? No words whatsoever.
• 34:36
  The other guy like there was other gods around me.
• 34:38
  I saw like Freyr, Thor, Bulger, Boggy, every like Heinboler,
• 34:46
  everybody there and I was like they were they were all just
• 34:53
  standing there, just silent, just watching.
• 34:56
  And then then the ruins themselves just flashed in front
• 35:00
  of me, one by one, one by one. It was crazy, but it was it was
• 35:05
  awesome at the same time. And this was during a a, a, a
• 35:10
  drum session, right? Drum.
• 35:12
  Meditation journey, Yes, yeah, yeah.
• 35:16
  That's the power, man. That's the power of of what the
• 35:19
  drum can do for for some, you know, man, like.
• 35:23
  Yeah, I've. Had, I've had profound, I've had
• 35:29
  profound visions, I've had profound journeys outside of
• 35:32
  myself with the drum. And, and as somebody, as
• 35:35
  somebody told me, an elder of our community, I, I was told by
• 35:41
  this elder, you know, that the drum is a tool.
• 35:47
  It's an, it's an instrument of music, yes, but it's a tool.
• 35:51
  It's a key. Is the.
• 35:53
  Way I put it, it's like a key to unlock portals.
• 35:56
  It's a key to unlock the the ability to, to, to in and using
• 36:02
  the drum and, and having the drum implemented in ceremony
• 36:09
  facilitates this ability to transcend our physical presence,
• 36:13
  our physical selves. We, you know, can, can seek and
• 36:17
  experience things outside of our physical consciousness that
• 36:22
  exist, vibrantly exist, but that we're just sort of out of tune
• 36:27
  with. And, and the drum can be that
• 36:29
  tool or that key that unlocks or unopens or allows entry through
• 36:33
  and out of those portals. It can be, it can be very, it
• 36:37
  can be very enlightening. It can be very terrifying.
• 36:40
  I will say, you know what I mean?
• 36:41
  Like I'm not trying to paint a picture of it.
• 36:43
  It's just this like woo woo fluffy Bunny sort of thing.
• 36:47
  It, it can be quite terrifying. For me.
• 36:49
  It has been more more times than once, but yes, the the drum is
• 36:54
  the tool and can be a tool now. Were you playing the drum at
• 36:58
  this time or was the drum no. No, the woman that I told you
• 37:02
  about was playing the drum. So she was kind of the the
• 37:06
  guide, as it were. You were, you were on the
• 37:08
  journey. She was like that guide, Yeah.
• 37:10
  Yeah, she explained. She explained how to get there
• 37:14
  like she says like either visualize or going up a mountain
• 37:17
  or or going down or staying at a tree and going down.
• 37:21
  Well I I stood the tree and went down 1st and that still went up
• 37:25
  the mountain. So you're going down, but going
• 37:28
  up. Yeah, I went, I went down into
• 37:32
  the tree and then down. And then I met my failure, and
• 37:36
  then my and then my. Then I met my failure, right?
• 37:38
  And then my failure carried me, carried me up the mountain.
• 37:42
  So the tree was the portal to get me to the mountain, so to
• 37:46
  speak. But going.
• 37:49
  Back on the drum being a key or tool, it's not just a drum.
• 37:54
  Any instrument itself can be used as that tool.
• 38:00
  If. You if you look at some ancient
• 38:02
  cultures, they have musical instruments like indigenous
• 38:07
  cultures. They have what appear to be like
• 38:10
  flutes or something like that that are used in ritual.
• 38:14
  Some some things made made, some that were like are you familiar
• 38:23
  with the death whistle? Oh yeah, the IT was a Aztec, I
• 38:27
  think. Yeah, Aztec death whistle.
• 38:29
  Yeah, You think that was also like the original tool, but if I
• 38:34
  if I think. Probably.
• 38:35
  I mean it sounds like, I mean if you were to play it ain't it
• 38:38
  ain't like a a you know, it ain't like tiptoe through the
• 38:40
  tulips or a little like, you know, it ain't may bear.
• 38:43
  You know what I mean? Like it's still.
• 38:44
  It's still a weird instrument though.
• 38:46
  Right. Right.
• 38:48
  Yeah, it's like there are some, like even some pan pipes were
• 38:51
  used in ritual, like bells are are can be used in ritual.
• 38:56
  It's like anything. Bells.
• 38:58
  That's, I mean, I've gone and Trance is playing the tackle.
• 39:03
  Harper here. Well, I bet, yeah.
• 39:06
  And. I mean and that and that's the
• 39:08
  reason why I can't remember half the stuff I I write.
• 39:12
  Oh, 'cause it kind of carries you into that like trance like
• 39:14
  state and. I don't and I don't remember to
• 39:17
  record them. It's like I just sitting there
• 39:20
  just playing just random stuff and it's just it just takes me
• 39:24
  on the only the times that I do remember him, it's like a really
• 39:31
  big connection to that piece. So that's that's my methodology
• 39:37
  of writing there for out there for those who want to know
• 39:42
  that's. Really cool man.
• 39:44
  But talk to other. I, I say I've talked to other
• 39:51
  musicians who approach their music.
• 39:53
  So they have this, there's like a, there's, there's, there's
• 39:56
  they, they have this like separation between music that is
• 39:58
  written for the public enjoyment in the Tavern or in a public
• 40:03
  space, whatever. And then they have a separation
• 40:05
  between that and the music that is written, as they would refer
• 40:08
  to it as a sort of medicinal. Music Chris Welsh sun and moon
• 40:13
  dance was recently on the show and he talked a bit about that
• 40:16
  how you know, he only plays that music that that type of music
• 40:20
  that he's written and recorded for the on the medicinal side.
• 40:23
  Like he will only play it perform it in certain
• 40:30
  environments and at certain times and for certain reasons.
• 40:33
  It's not like you can just go out here to a bar or a stage and
• 40:37
  just, or whipping it out, like playing it, whatever it, it
• 40:41
  doesn't, it doesn't fit. There's there's a, there's a
• 40:44
  separation between that type of music versus the other type of
• 40:48
  music. Like for instance, like for
• 40:51
  instance, I don't, I don't play the tackle harp and ritual.
• 40:56
  I'll play that for like after ritual when we're just dancing
• 40:59
  around having fun. And then, mostly for ritual,
• 41:03
  I'll drum. Yeah.
• 41:06
  There's a time the drum and there's some play tackle from
• 41:11
  but but yeah, I mean, but any drum can be used to in that
• 41:17
  ritual for me. It can be that one up there on
• 41:20
  the wall, or it can be this big behemoth down here.
• 41:23
  How big is the one? How big is the one that you got?
• 41:26
  The biggest one that you got? Was that a 30 inch?
• 41:30
  20 inch 20. OK.
• 41:32
  Oh, that's that big. That's that big boy that.
• 41:34
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like some plan Andruma
• 41:38
  there, right there. Yeah, that's the.
• 41:39
  Big old devil. Yeah.
• 41:41
  That's the that's the. That's the same how to use Go
• 41:45
  ahead. So you.
• 41:46
  You're gonna have to. You're gonna have to break that
• 41:48
  bad boy out at an event or something sometime, man.
• 41:50
  You have to. You have to share the wealth
• 41:52
  with that man that that looks like so much fun to play.
• 41:55
  Oh yeah, I'm actually gonna be drumming on that in October the
• 41:59
  26th. I'm doing our Raven.
• 42:05
  Raven with Meteria is having their Wicker man.
• 42:11
  Oh, October 26th. OK.
• 42:12
  All right. Yeah.
• 42:14
  And that's where I'm going to be playing that at because I
• 42:19
  decided I, I decided like I saw this thing and I like, and it
• 42:24
  was for a good decent price anyway.
• 42:26
  But I, I didn't want to play be one of several like shaman drum
• 42:31
  players or Jim Bay players. I wanted to be something I
• 42:36
  didn't want to stand out by wanting to add something a
• 42:40
  little different to the mix. Yeah.
• 42:43
  And I learned about this from from Yakima Lune when when he
• 42:47
  came to the meter, he had to do his workshop.
• 42:51
  And technically it's what they when he plays on, he plays on
• 42:55
  three of them mounted sideways please in havoc and those
• 43:05
  they're in Turkish, they're called devil and Balkan in the
• 43:10
  in the other Balkan countries like Bulgaria, they call it A2
• 43:14
  pad, which is where we get Tippany.
• 43:18
  Oh wow. OK, interesting.
• 43:20
  Or one of the words that is used for it is called tippany, but
• 43:23
  it's also has some Greek origins and it's just carried around the
• 43:27
  world. Yeah, so.
• 43:30
  Yeah, so, but I could use that ritual instead of relying on
• 43:35
  this one. When there's about five or six
• 43:40
  of them, it's it. And again, I draw, I'm drumming
• 43:47
  in the ceremony aspect of it and I may switch over the the tackle
• 43:52
  Harper later on after we're done with the original part of it and
• 43:56
  just dancing around the fire stuff, yeah.
• 44:00
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• 44:02
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  Mountain. I'm actually go in.
• 45:31
  There I'm. Actually go in there tomorrow
• 45:33
  afternoon, are you? You seem like a freaking flyer
• 45:37
  A. Frequent.
• 45:39
  Flyer. Yeah.
• 45:41
  Well, I live, I live only, I live only about 35 minutes from
• 45:45
  there. Oh, shoot, yeah, yeah,
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  absolutely. You know, it's just like.
• 45:49
  It's just like down the road. Yeah, down.
• 45:52
  The road a piece as they yeah, yeah, but yeah, that's great,
• 45:57
  man. That you have that, that
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  connection to that community and that your, that your skill set
• 46:01
  is appreciated and that you can sort of, you know, provide that
• 46:06
  level of entertainment 'cause it is.
• 46:08
  I mean, especially when you got a community of people gathering
• 46:10
  together. I mean, music brings people
• 46:12
  together and drumming is a great way of doing it.
• 46:16
  The percussion, the rhythm, that connection to the heartbeat of,
• 46:20
  of mother yours, you know, mother Earth.
• 46:23
  Like it's, it's, it's all there in the drum and it's a great
• 46:26
  tool. It's a great, you know,
• 46:28
  implement of, of, of shamanic work and and other things too.
• 46:34
  But just at the communal level, you know, people can really, can
• 46:37
  really feel themselves and feel the, the presence of others when
• 46:42
  it comes to things, you know, with the drum.
• 46:45
  So that's great that you're given that chance and that
• 46:47
  opportunity that you're so close in proximity to do it.
• 46:50
  If you can't, if you can't play a drum, clap rocks.
• 46:54
  Dude, clap, you know, clap your hands, you know, beat your
• 46:57
  chest, stomp your feet. I mean, just clap.
• 47:00
  Just anything that you know that.
• 47:03
  Rocks together. Just did he have bones?
• 47:07
  Yep, sticks, you know what I mean?
• 47:10
  Like if you got sticks on the ground, you can tap sticks
• 47:13
  together. You can, you know all the, you
• 47:15
  know, you don't have to have a drum.
• 47:18
  You can, you can, you can experience that that rhythm and
• 47:21
  be a part of that song through other natural animistic
• 47:26
  resources that are just. Shout your voice sing.
• 47:30
  Yep, Chant. Yep.
• 47:33
  You know, but yeah, man, I feel like, you know, when, when we
• 47:38
  get out here to do things with the runes with people, there's a
• 47:43
  sense, I wonder, you know, sometimes about the, you know,
• 47:49
  the the methods that we develop, right.
• 47:51
  So obviously you have found a way into the runes almost a year
• 47:56
  now where you're learning, you're you're developing your
• 47:59
  methods. Me, I've been doing it for, you
• 48:01
  know, 7 going on 8 years approximately.
• 48:03
  I don't have like a pinpoint moment, but it's been somewhere
• 48:07
  in that brag, you know, so nearly a decade or so where you
• 48:12
  know, these these methods are tried and true.
• 48:16
  You can't necessarily find what I'm doing.
• 48:20
  And I'll use me as an example because we're talking like,
• 48:22
  you're not going to necessarily find what I do the method that I
• 48:25
  use in, in detail describe to you in a book or on an online
• 48:31
  PDF or in a video anywhere. There's nuance, there's
• 48:34
  similarities, there's going to be things that that resonate as
• 48:38
  similar or whatever. If you're reading a bunch of
• 48:41
  material and, and finding information and trying to
• 48:43
  develop your own way. But it is, it is largely my
• 48:49
  method. I don't I wouldn't you know, if
• 48:52
  it it and it would be a different sort of scenario if
• 48:54
  somebody were to say want to learn a process, learn my
• 49:02
  process as like under an apprenticeship, you know, I want
• 49:05
  to learn his process, her process, their process, that
• 49:10
  sort of thing. Yeah, it's like, I don't, I
• 49:13
  don't like copying people's processes at all, you know?
• 49:21
  Did he lose you? You.
• 49:31
  OK. Hey, can you still hear me,
• 49:33
  Blake? Yeah, I.
• 49:34
  Can still hear you. I got a lobster there.
• 49:36
  Yeah. There's, there's like a, like
• 49:38
  the, the method of, of one person, right?
• 49:42
  In terms of sharing that or teaching that.
• 49:45
  I I, I don't feel like it would be appropriate to just again be
• 49:48
  all Willy nilly sharing it unless it was in the context of
• 49:52
  like an apprenticeship. Yeah.
• 49:54
  Learn. Under me, because you want to
• 49:57
  learn this process of doing it, that's a different story.
• 50:00
  And in that context, even in that context, it is this sort of
• 50:05
  closed off thing. Like, you know, somebody who
• 50:08
  doesn't join the Rune Guild isn't going to know the things
• 50:12
  that the Rune Guild shares. And just like in other sort of
• 50:18
  like closed off Indigenous practices, there are certain
• 50:22
  things that do not get shared, that do not get included with
• 50:28
  just anyone and everyone. They are, they are closed off.
• 50:31
  They are, they are sealed off to, to the outside for a
• 50:35
  specific reason. And I was wondering what your
• 50:38
  thoughts are on that, because you asked me in the e-mail
• 50:42
  about, you know, sharing our methodology, our, our, our
• 50:45
  practice, our process with people that don't necessarily
• 50:48
  ask for it. And so I, you know, that's kind
• 50:52
  of my take on it as, as I'm not going to, I'm going to give
• 50:55
  somebody like the basic outline of here's why I do it the way
• 50:59
  that I do it. Here's where my foundation is
• 51:02
  sort of based upon. But I'm not going to tell you,
• 51:05
  I'm not going to give you the intuition.
• 51:06
  I'm not going to give you the, the knowledge.
• 51:08
  I'm not going to put you through the, the, the, the training of,
• 51:12
  of this, that moment, obviously. And I wouldn't do that unless it
• 51:15
  was somebody who I was, you know, either oath to or close to
• 51:19
  in in that sort of sense to want to share that knowledge with.
• 51:22
  So yeah, I was wondering what your kind of take on that was or
• 51:27
  what your opinions of that were when it comes to sharing this
• 51:30
  type of knowledge outside of certain circles or certain?
• 51:36
  Areas. Yeah, as far as like full
• 51:39
  methodology, that's what I I agree with the same thing as you
• 51:45
  do. It's like it's not, that's kind
• 51:47
  of closed off. But again, where I was coming
• 51:53
  from, from my question as well is again, what we're saying,
• 51:57
  like we're sitting around together, we're just talking,
• 52:01
  you know, chatting and stuff like that, you know, and like
• 52:05
  little snippets of information. Like, I'm the kind of person
• 52:08
  that likes to, I don't like to copy somebody else's methods,
• 52:14
  but I like to incorporate different ideas from other
• 52:20
  people to my own thing to evolve in.
• 52:22
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 52:24
  Like, yeah, that's. A good.
• 52:25
  That's a good point, yeah. Like, here's bouncing ideas off
• 52:29
  of one another, Yeah? Or.
• 52:31
  Or whatnot. Like that sounds interesting or
• 52:36
  I don't really like that way of doing things, but I see why you
• 52:39
  do it, yeah. Yeah, there's, there's, there's
• 52:45
  an interesting, there's an interesting thing to think about
• 52:47
  with that. Like I've been, I've been in
• 52:50
  shared space and in shared company with, again, an elder of
• 52:54
  our, of, of our, of our community up here who is of
• 52:59
  Icelandic descent. And he learned rune readings
• 53:05
  and, and the reading of runes. And he learned that methodology
• 53:08
  through his family, through his grandfather, through his great
• 53:12
  grandfather, who were very old and alive at the time.
• 53:17
  He was sort of young. And the the process that this
• 53:22
  individual shared with me, I was it was a high, high honor to be
• 53:28
  told about because I felt like this is information that is
• 53:32
  unique to that family. This is how this family
• 53:37
  understands runic divination. That's how they do it.
• 53:42
  And I and I, and I feel like that's largely what transpired
• 53:47
  over the millennia, over the centuries when it came to this.
• 53:50
  Because one of the very few things that we know of about
• 53:54
  potential runic divination stems from a, a, a source by Tacitus,
• 54:00
  the, the Roman Pagan who documented his observations and,
• 54:06
  and things of the Germanic tribes that predate the Viking
• 54:10
  Age. So the way that Tacitus
• 54:14
  documents the dramatic tribes as having a very, and I'm
• 54:20
  paraphrasing, but he, you know, he basically says that, you
• 54:23
  know, these, these people had a very high regard to divination.
• 54:27
  And the way that they did it was that, you know, they would, they
• 54:29
  would, they would cut pieces of wood from a fruit or nut bearing
• 54:33
  tree, depending on the translation that you read, and
• 54:36
  they would carve into those pieces.
• 54:37
  They would carve symbols and then those symbols, you know,
• 54:41
  they, they would, they would cast them onto a white cloth.
• 54:44
  And then and depending on the nature of the reading, right,
• 54:48
  whether it was, if it was a public reading, it was the
• 54:51
  priest of the community. If it was a private reading, it
• 54:53
  was the father of the home, right?
• 54:55
  Everybody had a role, everybody had a position.
• 54:57
  They would look to heaven and they would or look to the
• 54:59
  heavens they would look up and they would pick 3 of those
• 55:03
  symbols and they and they would read them accordingly.
• 55:05
  Now do we know if those symbols that were carved into these
• 55:09
  pieces of fruit or nut bearing trees were the Elder Futhark
• 55:13
  runes? We don't know.
• 55:15
  Is it widely deduced and and assumed that it was probably
• 55:19
  some sort of a proto Germanic runic alphabet?
• 55:25
  Yeah, probably was. We don't know exactly what it
• 55:27
  was, but you know, so, so the methodology right, of casting is
• 55:32
  at least documented in a source that is not influenced by
• 55:37
  Christian monks, scholars, etcetera.
• 55:39
  Because Tacitus was Pagan. He was a Roman Pagan, but he was
• 55:43
  Pagan nonetheless. So there was no Christian bias
• 55:45
  being influenced in his documentation of said things
• 55:49
  that were witnessed. Outside of that, we have a
• 55:54
  number of runic charms, symbols, things that were carved into
• 55:59
  various items. Archaeological dig and finds
• 56:02
  have have discovered, you know, the, the, the, the presence of
• 56:05
  runes in various things, whether it's bractiates, Combs, knives,
• 56:10
  whatever, swords, scabbards, etcetera.
• 56:13
  Over the centuries, even into including the Viking Age.
• 56:16
  That suggests that the runic symbols, the runic characters,
• 56:19
  the runes, if we want to call them that.
• 56:21
  Were. Deemed and seen in viewed by the
• 56:24
  populace as something more than just.
• 56:28
  The alphabet. More than just a written spoken
• 56:30
  language. They, they were, there were
• 56:33
  things that carried magical meaning to even when you go into
• 56:40
  the rune poems, right? Like why would the rune poems
• 56:43
  say such things about Fey or Fey who or, or, or you know what I
• 56:48
  mean? Like why would that thing be
• 56:50
  cattle and, and, and why would that carry a magical or esoteric
• 56:55
  meaning of wealth, etcetera, etcetera.
• 56:59
  Like so there, there's so much that goes into the individual
• 57:02
  meanings of the runic characters depending on, on what runic
• 57:05
  system you're using to, to use this divination.
• 57:10
  And, and then beyond that, you know, there's, there's such a, a
• 57:14
  deep layer of it's almost like an onion, you know, like, OK,
• 57:18
  here's the onion, but now we got to peel the layers back because
• 57:22
  just because we cast certain runes in front of the person
• 57:25
  with the reader, right, doesn't, doesn't necessarily mean that
• 57:30
  each individual rune is going to tell us the whole story.
• 57:33
  There's, there's where did the rune fall?
• 57:35
  How did it fall? Where was the rune when we cast
• 57:38
  it? You know, well, the various
• 57:41
  things that go, you said before intuition, right?
• 57:44
  There's so much of that that I feel can't be shared and can't
• 57:48
  be expressed outside of. Yeah.
• 57:52
  Closed. And trusted areas and in context
• 57:55
  one room maybe mean one thing to you in one moment and there and
• 58:02
  it could mean something else in a different moment based on
• 58:06
  context and the and the question asked.
• 58:11
  Yeah, well, how about this? How about this, right.
• 58:14
  How about the fact that in some of the room poems, if you're
• 58:16
  going to look at the name of a particular rune, like how many,
• 58:19
  how many different meanings does the name or does the rune Urus
• 58:25
  or UR? Yeah, it means three different
• 58:28
  things and three different rune poems.
• 58:31
  And I used I used Norwegian ones, so.
• 58:34
  You know, so like, if you're going to be OK, so yeah.
• 58:37
  And, and, but again, the Norwegian rune poem is, is a
• 58:42
  collection of the Younger Futhark runes, which obviously
• 58:46
  came from somewhere. So like when you get into the,
• 58:49
  and this is probably like deep, this is like diving deep into
• 58:52
  the minutiae of the runes, you know, So you know, does ur mean
• 58:56
  orox? Does ur mean slag?
• 58:58
  Does UR mean rain? You know.
• 59:02
  What I mean, because each of the rune poems say those specific
• 59:07
  things like you read each of the you, whether they read the Agloe
• 59:11
  Saxon rune poem, the Norwegian rune poem or the Icelandic rune
• 59:14
  poem, they have different meanings.
• 59:17
  And so does that suggest that, well, the the linguistic
• 59:20
  evolution of the word changed over time, or is there something
• 59:24
  totally different that we're not seeing?
• 59:29
  With. With regards to that and like,
• 59:31
  for instance, with Urrus, I, I, I picked that up as, as a
• 59:35
  specific topic to, to, to cover because like you look at like
• 59:40
  aurochs, right? The Uroos, the aurochs, the,
• 59:42
  the, the, the, the wild low vine of the landscape that were this,
• 59:47
  the sort of, you know, wild strength.
• 59:49
  And then you look at like later translations of it as being the
• 59:54
  slag. You know that that and somebody
• 59:56
  I was talking to Mygozi, who I was talking to about this, you
• 59:59
  know, he was like, well, what if we what if we look at that
• 1:00:03
  meaning? Of Urus of Ur as this, you know,
• 1:00:08
  yes, the oxen, the, the wild, the wild bovine of the landscape
• 1:00:13
  at the time as being the sort of strength and wild associated
• 1:00:15
  with the the strength needed to be a blacksmith a, a, a, a
• 1:00:22
  worker of the iron. And then if you picture the
• 1:00:25
  blacksmith smashing metal on the anvil, and then there's this,
• 1:00:30
  there are these sparks, there's this slag that falls, and then
• 1:00:33
  there's this sort of rain that comes down, which is another
• 1:00:36
  translation or another interpretation of Ur in one of
• 1:00:39
  the known poems. And it's like there's a
• 1:00:42
  connection to the beast versus the action versus the thing.
• 1:00:48
  I mean, I'm like I've. Never thought about.
• 1:00:50
  I never thought about that too. That me.
• 1:00:52
  Either man, me either. That.
• 1:00:55
  Opened my eyes man, I'm like the.
• 1:00:57
  Connection of it. And, and look, I'm not trying to
• 1:01:01
  say that that's correct. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm saying that
• 1:01:04
  this was a sort of thing that happened in a discussion between
• 1:01:07
  me and my Gothi about that particular rune because I
• 1:01:11
  couldn't, I couldn't necessarily deduce or reason why the rune
• 1:01:16
  poems say three different things about this one particular symbol
• 1:01:20
  or character or whatever. He came up with this like on the
• 1:01:23
  spot. And I'm like, holy shit, wait a
• 1:01:25
  minute, you might be on to something here.
• 1:01:28
  Yeah. Who know?
• 1:01:29
  I I don't know. I'm not trying to like say that
• 1:01:31
  this is a revelation of reality, but it's an interesting thing to
• 1:01:36
  think about because the strength of the ox, the strength of this
• 1:01:39
  wild thing contained in this action where this slag, this
• 1:01:44
  the, the various metals and stuff that get beaten out of
• 1:01:47
  iron and and whatnot appears as this sort of fiery rain.
• 1:01:53
  Like. Dross.
• 1:01:53
  It's it's that rain that comes down when you're beating it.
• 1:01:57
  So I don't know, man. Like there's the thing.
• 1:02:01
  So it's wild. Yeah, like.
• 1:02:05
  The ulur like the white, Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's just, that's
• 1:02:11
  crazy. I never thought about that.
• 1:02:13
  And that opened up my eyes a little bit more.
• 1:02:16
  Thanks for that. Yeah, man, I mean, I, you know,
• 1:02:19
  in credit to my go the, you know, Wolf Thompson man, like he
• 1:02:22
  like we were sitting in this about a month or month and 1/2
• 1:02:25
  or two ago where we were sitting because he was like, I want to
• 1:02:27
  learn more about the runes as our go.
• 1:02:29
  The he's like, I feel like that's my job, you know, and I'm
• 1:02:31
  like, OK, well, he came to me and he wanted to learn my way of
• 1:02:35
  it. And in that context, again, we
• 1:02:37
  go back to teaching, mentorship, apprenticeship, that sort of
• 1:02:42
  thing. All right, Well, he is oathed to
• 1:02:43
  me in my tribe. And so my methods, of course, in
• 1:02:49
  the sacredness of our, of our communal bond in that way, in
• 1:02:52
  that kinship bond. I will spend time and talk with
• 1:02:55
  him about it and share these things because it is, it is
• 1:02:58
  sacred to our practice. It is sacred to our tribal way.
• 1:03:01
  And he offered that layer of things.
• 1:03:04
  And I go, wow, you might be on to something here, bro.
• 1:03:07
  Like. Yeah, and you've been doing it
• 1:03:10
  longer. You've been doing this longer
• 1:03:11
  than he has. Right and exactly.
• 1:03:14
  And I and you know, he, he blows my mind.
• 1:03:18
  Yeah, out of the bait, out of the mouth of Bates.
• 1:03:22
  Huh. For real.
• 1:03:23
  Absolutely. Yeah.
• 1:03:26
  You know, so I'm sure that that's that's a thing that can
• 1:03:28
  happen, especially when we're dealing with with folks that are
• 1:03:33
  like you say, you know, babes are new to things.
• 1:03:36
  They have a sort of fresh vision.
• 1:03:39
  Perspective on things, yes, Yeah.
• 1:03:41
  Yeah. So in a way, like being, being
• 1:03:46
  open and in the right context and in the right space can, can
• 1:03:50
  really shed a light on some things for us, you know, So I
• 1:03:54
  feel like, yeah, share, share as much as you can with whom you
• 1:03:58
  can, but in the right space and in the right context.
• 1:04:01
  Don't just don't just offer it freely.
• 1:04:03
  I mean, yes, it is information. Yes, it is knowledge that we
• 1:04:06
  have, we have obtained, we have gone through, you know, like one
• 1:04:10
  time I thought, you know, Odin in this, in the, in the myths,
• 1:04:14
  you know, like he, he goes through this great ordeal of
• 1:04:19
  hanging from Igdrasil for 9 days and nine nights.
• 1:04:23
  And then only after those nine days and nights did he fall
• 1:04:26
  screaming in agony. Did he take up the knowledge of
• 1:04:28
  the runes. You know, there was a great
• 1:04:30
  ordeal. He wasn't offered, he didn't
• 1:04:32
  take food, he didn't take drink. He, he just, he went through a
• 1:04:36
  great suffering, a great ordeal to receive the knowledge of the
• 1:04:40
  mysteries of the runes. Rune is a word that means
• 1:04:43
  mystery, you know, and it was at that point that he obtain that
• 1:04:50
  knowledge. What do we expect if if we are
• 1:04:55
  not enduring some sort of an ordeal?
• 1:04:59
  What how do how how would we expect anything less if we're
• 1:05:01
  not going through our own ordeal, if we're not, if we're
• 1:05:04
  not suffering ourself through it?
• 1:05:06
  And that that that's my own personal, you know, UPG about
• 1:05:10
  gaining knowledge of the runes. It's not something that you can
• 1:05:12
  fully grasp by just reading books, watching a video,
• 1:05:18
  downloading APDF. Like there's layers to it that
• 1:05:21
  you can obtain and there's something that you can get from
• 1:05:23
  it. But when it comes to the real,
• 1:05:26
  to the realness of it, there's, there's, there's ordeal, there's
• 1:05:30
  work, there's, there's suffering, there's adversity,
• 1:05:34
  there's all these things that come kind of part of it, you
• 1:05:38
  know? So yeah.
• 1:05:41
  It's it's just like Kelly healing work, you know, like
• 1:05:49
  chauvinism and everything like that.
• 1:05:51
  You it's like. You're going to you're.
• 1:05:54
  Going to have to suffer just to find find that enlightenment.
• 1:06:00
  You have to put in that work and put in the effort to to.
• 1:06:03
  You can't just sit back and expect things to come.
• 1:06:07
  Yeah, yeah. And I also feel like there's a
• 1:06:10
  degree of silence and quietness where these these things are
• 1:06:19
  given to us because I don't know, there's there's a there's
• 1:06:23
  a quote or there's, there's a part of the have them all that,
• 1:06:28
  that that says about it where like, and I and I and I can't
• 1:06:33
  remember it verbatim, but but it, it basically says something
• 1:06:37
  along the lines of where it like after you get this, there is
• 1:06:41
  silence. There is quiet.
• 1:06:42
  You, you, you don't get, you don't get the mysteries revealed
• 1:06:47
  to you by blabbing about it by by talking about it comes to you
• 1:06:51
  in silence and it comes to you through silent, whether it's,
• 1:06:55
  you know, introspection or private ceremony or things like
• 1:07:00
  that, like these are things that happen and occur to the
• 1:07:04
  individual that is intended to receive it.
• 1:07:07
  And if that's the case, which I believe it is, you know, how
• 1:07:15
  that gets shared and how that gets leveraged out to others
• 1:07:21
  should be considered carefully. You know, like, I had to go
• 1:07:28
  through something to get this. I'm not just going to hand it
• 1:07:31
  out all Willy nilly freely. You know what I mean?
• 1:07:35
  Like, yeah. I.
• 1:07:37
  Don't know you're. Going to put this if you're
• 1:07:39
  going to, if you're going to share that, share it, you can
• 1:07:42
  put the person through the same ordeal that you went.
• 1:07:45
  Through or the ordeal's going to be presented to them.
• 1:07:48
  You know what I mean? Maybe that's the same ordeal,
• 1:07:50
  but yeah, you're going to put them through in the ordeal as as
• 1:07:53
  you were with the ordeal. Yeah, it's.
• 1:07:55
  Like I've been, I've been asked so many times, like, hey, can
• 1:07:58
  you, can you give me this answer?
• 1:07:59
  Can you tell me where this is? And I'm like, yeah, I could, but
• 1:08:06
  what's what? What good is that really doing?
• 1:08:08
  Oh yeah, You know, it's like the old adage, you know, teach a man
• 1:08:12
  to fish, you'll feed him for a day.
• 1:08:14
  Or give a man a fish, you'll feed him for a day.
• 1:08:17
  Teach a man how to fish. You'll feed him for his life.
• 1:08:20
  You. Know.
• 1:08:21
  So, yeah, I could give you the answer and give you the
• 1:08:24
  immediate satisfaction that you're trying to obtain or seek.
• 1:08:29
  What's that really doing for you?
• 1:08:31
  And and that's what I've always appreciated is that, you know,
• 1:08:33
  the things that I've, the things that I've learned haven't,
• 1:08:38
  they've not been handed to me. You know, it's like, well, if
• 1:08:43
  you really want to know, here's where you can go go figure it
• 1:08:47
  out. Go do the work.
• 1:08:50
  Cool. I and I appreciate that.
• 1:08:51
  And that's, you know, that's, that seems to be a thing that's,
• 1:08:56
  I don't know, like I don't want to say lost nowadays, but it
• 1:08:59
  needs to be more kind of forgotten about.
• 1:09:03
  Like you don't, you don't deserve to be given everything
• 1:09:06
  that you ask for. Oh yeah, you don't?
• 1:09:09
  Yeah. We do, you know what I mean?
• 1:09:12
  Yeah, if. You if you want something bad
• 1:09:15
  enough then work for it and you can ask the questions and you
• 1:09:18
  can ask people that may know, but don't expect the answer to
• 1:09:23
  be just handed to you. Oh.
• 1:09:25
  Yeah. Expect and and be ready to do
• 1:09:28
  the work needed to obtain the answer yourself.
• 1:09:33
  Yeah. It's so much more gratifying and
• 1:09:35
  it's so much more satisfying and, and you you get more out of
• 1:09:39
  it in the process because that's where the learning is.
• 1:09:43
  It's in the process. It's not so much the destination
• 1:09:46
  of reaching the answer, it's what you went through to get to
• 1:09:49
  the answer. Yeah, you.
• 1:09:52
  Know and that's what discourages a lot of people and in a way I
• 1:09:55
  feel like that's what kind of separates the real from the you
• 1:10:03
  know the fake if you will like. People that.
• 1:10:06
  Want to know because they want to know Well, how badly do you
• 1:10:11
  want to know? What are you willing to go
• 1:10:12
  through to know right like. Oh my God.
• 1:10:15
  You want me to do this thing? That or the other?
• 1:10:17
  Yeah, I guess I really don't want to know that much, but I
• 1:10:19
  guess you don't. What?
• 1:10:20
  Would you give for this knowledge?
• 1:10:22
  Yeah, like, like what? Mimir like what Mimir gave to.
• 1:10:28
  What would you give for this wisdom?
• 1:10:30
  I would give my eye. Well then pluck it out, give it
• 1:10:33
  to me, give it to me, Right. And you did OK.
• 1:10:38
  Well, here it is big boy, here it is.
• 1:10:41
  Get ready. But you got to go through that
• 1:10:44
  process. You got to give that thing up
• 1:10:48
  and and let me tell you, it ain't nothing easy to give up.
• 1:10:52
  You might think it is in the moment, but the long term game
• 1:10:56
  and especially when it comes to the runes.
• 1:10:58
  And then again, I'm going to just go into my own UPG with
• 1:11:01
  this when it comes to the rooms and when it comes to stuff
• 1:11:04
  that's like Odenic the the the the mysticism, the eschatricism,
• 1:11:10
  like all of this stuff that Odin is very widely associated with.
• 1:11:16
  You give up some of yourself in process.
• 1:11:19
  You give up The, the, the, the, the, the mental capacity, like
• 1:11:26
  the madness, the, the, the, the, all of that.
• 1:11:31
  It, it, it's part and parcel. And so like people, like, they
• 1:11:35
  get enamored with this idea of being able to have visions or
• 1:11:40
  see things like, man, it comes at a cost.
• 1:11:47
  Oh, yeah. Very high cost, Yeah.
• 1:11:51
  I've seen, I've seen people, I've had people that I know
• 1:11:55
  personally that can see like spirits and stuff, but in the
• 1:12:02
  majority of the ones that I know that could really see them.
• 1:12:06
  They've. Had like several near death
• 1:12:08
  experiences and so that was a great cost.
• 1:12:14
  Yeah, I mean. It's not the cost that you
• 1:12:16
  wanted to give, but it was a cost nonetheless.
• 1:12:21
  What was the cost that you were willing to give without knowing
• 1:12:25
  perhaps what the cost was? And then you're, you know,
• 1:12:31
  you're there. Now.
• 1:12:33
  Now it's it's it's go time. You you already kind of placed
• 1:12:37
  that mark upon yourself. So you either, you either
• 1:12:41
  endure, you either. Figure.
• 1:12:44
  Out a way to get through it or it tears you apart and that's
• 1:12:47
  the biggest thing. That's the biggest thing about
• 1:12:50
  it is, is, you know, I don't think any of us, maybe you know,
• 1:12:56
  and I can't say for everybody, but I don't think a lot of us
• 1:12:59
  realized up front like we had an idea of what the cost was, but I
• 1:13:06
  don't think we fully understood it.
• 1:13:08
  And now we're here you. Know now we're in it and so
• 1:13:11
  well, we we we've got to build ourselves up from that point.
• 1:13:16
  We we've got to work through that, that challenge it, it's,
• 1:13:21
  it's an ongoing ordeal. Oh.
• 1:13:23
  Yeah, you. Know, yeah.
• 1:13:28
  And I tried to figure out what I was going to say on that.
• 1:13:37
  Yeah, the the whole ordeal deal is, is that you're never and
• 1:13:41
  you're never on done with the ordeal either.
• 1:13:44
  You're never done learning. You're never done with growing.
• 1:13:48
  Growing. No, no, we're always learning.
• 1:13:53
  I mean, shit, you know, I've only, I've only been in this for
• 1:13:57
  less than a decade. You think I got this all figured
• 1:13:59
  out? Hell no.
• 1:14:01
  Yeah, and sometimes, sometimes and sometimes you never learn
• 1:14:05
  from the past. It's like you never learn.
• 1:14:08
  You make a mistake in the past that you're like, or you do
• 1:14:12
  something wrong with it. And then you never fully learn
• 1:14:15
  from that what you've done wrong.
• 1:14:17
  And you still do the same things for.
• 1:14:22
  Well, that's the whole thing about the journey is, you know,
• 1:14:25
  is what you learn along the way. And hopefully the things that
• 1:14:28
  you learn along the way are lessons to prevent you from
• 1:14:32
  repeating those same mistakes. Because that's the definition of
• 1:14:36
  insanity, right? You, you, you do the same thing
• 1:14:39
  and expect different results. I like to think that the, the,
• 1:14:45
  the mistake, the real error is when you do the same thing over
• 1:14:49
  and over again and you expect different results.
• 1:14:52
  That's the real error. You know, you've got to figure
• 1:14:55
  out a different way, find a different way, you know, and if
• 1:15:01
  the way that you're doing things is working and somebody else
• 1:15:04
  tries to convince you otherwise, I mean, listen, I guess take
• 1:15:08
  take it to heart in in superficial way.
• 1:15:12
  But yeah, just because somebody tells me like, man, I've never
• 1:15:17
  seen that being done before. I don't think that's
• 1:15:19
  historically correct. That's not going to deter me.
• 1:15:23
  From. Changing my way.
• 1:15:25
  Why? It's because I've seen the thing
• 1:15:28
  that I've done and the way that I've done it.
• 1:15:30
  Work, yeah. All the time.
• 1:15:32
  Every time, yeah. If it's if it's that broke,
• 1:15:35
  don't fix it. Yeah.
• 1:15:37
  I mean, if it's not broke, don't fix it.
• 1:15:38
  If there's tweaking, if there's a little bit of adjustments that
• 1:15:42
  need to be made, if you learn something that can enhance or
• 1:15:45
  better the process that you know.
• 1:15:47
  Or something that GP or something you can add to it to
• 1:15:49
  make it better. Yeah.
• 1:15:51
  Or something to take away from it to make it better.
• 1:15:54
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like, and that's all it
• 1:15:56
  is. I mean, that's all we're doing
• 1:15:57
  now, you guys is we're, we're experimenting, you know,
• 1:15:59
  nobody's it's. Like even it's like my like my
• 1:16:03
  my own sacred space in my own house.
• 1:16:05
  I've moved objects off of it and put new objects on it, and I've
• 1:16:11
  and I've taken some of those objects and given to and gifted
• 1:16:14
  them to friends, Repurposed them by by ceremony, of course,
• 1:16:19
  because I felt like they could do it, use them better than I
• 1:16:21
  can. Right.
• 1:16:23
  And they still have the, they still have the ritualistic
• 1:16:27
  purpose, but now they're, they're serving somebody else
• 1:16:31
  that purpose. Yeah.
• 1:16:33
  And that's and I've also rearranged my my my indoor altar
• 1:16:40
  several times. It's not funny.
• 1:16:43
  Like it's. Like every time you dust it's
• 1:16:45
  like or clean it, it's like it takes a lot of whole different
• 1:16:50
  form. Yeah.
• 1:16:53
  Like I'll put, I'll like, I'll move this statue, I'll put, I'll
• 1:16:55
  move this thing, this object over here.
• 1:16:59
  And it's like changing the it's like changing.
• 1:17:04
  It's like how you rearrange furniture in the house.
• 1:17:08
  Exactly. For front flight purposes or
• 1:17:10
  something? Sometimes you just need to
• 1:17:13
  rearrange things. Yeah, you know.
• 1:17:16
  Sometimes you're called to rearrange things.
• 1:17:20
  Dude, that, that speaks so much to me right now because that
• 1:17:23
  that's, that's literally life. I mean, sometimes things just
• 1:17:26
  happen. When you got to adjust, you got
• 1:17:27
  to rearrange. You got to make room for things
• 1:17:31
  that you didn't know you had room for to begin with.
• 1:17:33
  You got. To change the energy.
• 1:17:36
  Yeah, yeah, that's what it is. It's changing the energy and
• 1:17:41
  it's, it's just, you know, the, the framework is, is still
• 1:17:44
  there, but the inner workings, you know, this piece of
• 1:17:47
  furniture doesn't belong here anymore.
• 1:17:48
  It belongs over there. And then this thing goes there
• 1:17:50
  and whatever it. Yeah, that's, that's that's a
• 1:17:53
  lot of what magic work entails is sometimes you, you reach a
• 1:17:59
  point where, oh, I got to rearrange things a little bit.
• 1:18:03
  Yeah. And that's been my, that's been
• 1:18:05
  my theme since October, last October was it's been adapting
• 1:18:13
  to change being like Lagos, being like water.
• 1:18:21
  That's been the that's been that's the one that's always
• 1:18:24
  been that's like been the ruin of this year.
• 1:18:30
  It's going back to ruins is Lagos.
• 1:18:34
  Yep, because. And while it.
• 1:18:36
  Flows it, it moves. It goes.
• 1:18:38
  It doesn't. It doesn't stop for anything.
• 1:18:40
  It just finds a way, you know? It goes around.
• 1:18:43
  It either goes around or plows through it.
• 1:18:45
  Yeah, depending. On how forceful it, but how much
• 1:18:49
  force is behind that water? Yeah.
• 1:18:51
  It's it's hard to fight the flow.
• 1:18:53
  Right. Yeah, you just got to.
• 1:18:56
  Ride the current. Ride the Ride the currents.
• 1:18:59
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. Sometimes that's what it is too.
• 1:19:02
  Sometimes you just got to jump in there and get in and just get
• 1:19:05
  down in there with it and see where it takes you.
• 1:19:08
  Yeah, yeah. That's.
• 1:19:11
  That's the, that's the. That's the fun.
• 1:19:13
  That's the fun of it though. That.
• 1:19:16
  Makes it right. It's like somebody come pulls
• 1:19:20
  that, pulls up to me and says hey, you want to go for a ride?
• 1:19:23
  Go for a ride and do this stupid shit like, yeah, let's go.
• 1:19:27
  Why not? Yeah.
• 1:19:28
  Why not? Yeah.
• 1:19:29
  You know what? Hold my beer shut.
• 1:19:31
  Watch this. Yeah.
• 1:19:32
  It's like, it's like, I was like, I hope you have bill
• 1:19:36
  money. It's that Thor.
• 1:19:40
  Energy. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:19:42
  Yeah. You just need to, hey, you know,
• 1:19:44
  think, you know, think later, do now.
• 1:19:46
  Whatever. Yeah, we're doing it.
• 1:19:50
  Yeah. Think about it.
• 1:19:50
  Nah, don't you think you should have fan whatever you know
• 1:19:54
  that's that Thor energy it's. Like just hope, just hope, you
• 1:19:58
  just hope we have something to bail us out in the end.
• 1:20:02
  Maybe we'll need it, maybe we don't.
• 1:20:03
  Who cares? Whatever.
• 1:20:04
  Let's do it, yeah. Yeah, It's like, do I need this?
• 1:20:07
  I'm going. It's like why you got a rope?
• 1:20:09
  Like we're going out partying. Why you got a rope with you?
• 1:20:12
  I don't know. Just in case I need it.
• 1:20:15
  Rather be. I'd rather be.
• 1:20:16
  I'd rather need it. I'd rather have it have it and
• 1:20:19
  not need it than need it and not have.
• 1:20:21
  I have it. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:20:23
  Yeah, that's a good mindset to have.
• 1:20:27
  You know it. Really.
• 1:20:28
  Is. Yeah.
• 1:20:29
  It's like, it's like, go with the flow, but always be
• 1:20:32
  prepared. Yes.
• 1:20:35
  Yeah, 'cause you never know just what might pop up, you know?
• 1:20:40
  Like. Like like.
• 1:20:42
  What we should? Call it strategic, but not what?
• 1:20:44
  Not strategic at the same time. It's like Oxy where I'm being
• 1:20:49
  prepared, but also go with the flow, yeah.
• 1:20:51
  Yeah, like you got the basics and you got the basics at your
• 1:20:54
  belt, but yeah. You know, yeah, Survival kit for
• 1:20:58
  going out. Going out.
• 1:21:01
  Yeah, it's. Like, I don't want to be
• 1:21:05
  stranded in the middle of the woods anywhere, but I'm going to
• 1:21:08
  go. I'm going to just go run naked
• 1:21:10
  deep into it. Yeah, I'm just.
• 1:21:13
  Going to take the bare essentials, you know, like what,
• 1:21:15
  what's going to get me through the night or two and then I'll
• 1:21:19
  figure it out beyond that sort of thing.
• 1:21:22
  Yeah, it's. Like it's it's like carrying
• 1:21:25
  dental floss a a a hairpin or Bobby pin and maybe some matches
• 1:21:34
  will be good. Right.
• 1:21:37
  I used to know a guy, man, he was like, give me some, give me
• 1:21:39
  some, give me some duct tape, JB Weld and some Velcro and I'll
• 1:21:43
  build you a mansion. Well, that's, that's pretty bare
• 1:21:46
  bones right there. But I guess you can do it if you
• 1:21:48
  needed to, you know. But Blake, it's been a lot of
• 1:21:52
  fun. I've had a great time chatting
• 1:21:53
  with you. I think we'll wrap it up now.
• 1:21:56
  Where can everybody? Oh.
• 1:21:58
  Before I say something, I'm going to point the obvious
• 1:22:01
  elephant in the room here. I accidentally put my name as
• 1:22:05
  Bloke instead of Blake before people people start screaming in
• 1:22:11
  the in the comments. It's.
• 1:22:15
  Bloke. I didn't even catch that.
• 1:22:20
  I just saw that now I. Caught that way back when I'm
• 1:22:22
  like oh great it's embarrassing moment but OK yeah let's finish
• 1:22:27
  the thing it's. Bloke Russell.
• 1:22:31
  Well. Blake, yeah, Not the bloke.
• 1:22:34
  Blake is a bloke. He's a bloke.
• 1:22:35
  I'm a bloke. We're blokes.
• 1:22:37
  We're all blokes. Well.
• 1:22:38
  I I hope I'm a bloke, let me check between my pants here.
• 1:22:40
  Oops. I know how they keep it peachy.
• 1:22:47
  But where can everybody find you on social medias?
• 1:22:51
  I know you've had some recent changes to things, so make sure
• 1:22:54
  that that we can direct people to the right places for you on
• 1:22:58
  social medias. Where can everybody find you?
• 1:23:00
  Well, you. Can follow me on my Lee tree
• 1:23:02
  link. I I think Jesse here can can
• 1:23:06
  find that for you. It's posted on my it's on my
• 1:23:11
  Instagram and on my my Facebook page.
• 1:23:17
  Now again, I think it's also, I think it's also on my YouTube as
• 1:23:22
  well on YouTube. It's called.
• 1:23:26
  Yeah, so it's called. The works of course.
• 1:23:29
  And for those who are in Alabama who need some like holistic
• 1:23:34
  services, I am also at Sacred Roots holistic services.
• 1:23:41
  I think I think you find that just look at on my backlog of
• 1:23:44
  post where I share those and you can and Jesse here can find find
• 1:23:49
  that link, link trailing should be on there as well.
• 1:23:52
  Yeah, yeah. We'll put, we'll put all that
• 1:23:55
  down below for the folks that are watching us and in the show
• 1:23:58
  notes of everybody listening. So yeah.
• 1:24:00
  And that's where Ioffer my room readings and also Reiki do Reiki
• 1:24:04
  as well, as well as I'm expanding into show and drum
• 1:24:09
  journeys as well for private use.
• 1:24:12
  For yeah. Man, we'll have to connect.
• 1:24:14
  Man, we'll have to. We'll have to get in person
• 1:24:16
  because we, you know, we only met in person at one time at the
• 1:24:18
  Highland Show last year. Yeah, not that far away.
• 1:24:21
  You're in northern Alabama and I'm in the middle of Tennessee.
• 1:24:24
  Yeah, I know. I know they changed things up
• 1:24:25
  this year, but I'm going to definitely go on the Shadowmoot
• 1:24:28
  for that one day. Yeah.
• 1:24:30
  Are you coming? Yeah.
• 1:24:31
  I'm coming, sweet. Good, I'm bringing.
• 1:24:34
  I'm bringing the, I'm bringing the drum, I'm, I'm bringing, I'm
• 1:24:36
  bringing the big behemoth and I'm bringing and I'm bringing
• 1:24:39
  the tackle Harper. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
• 1:24:42
  yes, yes. Awesome, great.
• 1:24:43
  I'm excited for that, dude. If I'm not excited for anything
• 1:24:46
  else about Shadowmoot, then I'm excited for that because it's a
• 1:24:48
  totally different thing this year.
• 1:24:51
  But having you there with that and those things are going to.
• 1:24:54
  Be awesome. I'm I'm definitely coming
• 1:24:55
  because I wanted to go for a while.
• 1:24:57
  That's going to be closer to you.
• 1:24:59
  Is it this time I think? Yeah, it's here in Murfreesboro.
• 1:25:02
  It's like like on the road. Yeah.
• 1:25:04
  So that's. Closer to me than it would be to
• 1:25:06
  the other place, I guess. Yep.
• 1:25:09
  Yeah, you it saves you about an hour's Dr. N Oh.
• 1:25:12
  Yeah. So yeah, so.
• 1:25:14
  So yeah, I'm going to definitely come with that one day, even
• 1:25:18
  though it's not going to be for the full three weekends.
• 1:25:22
  Yeah, yeah. I mean, but we're going to still
• 1:25:24
  have fun. We are.
• 1:25:26
  We are. It's going to be a good time.
• 1:25:27
  I'm, I'm confident because there's plenty of good people
• 1:25:29
  that are going to be contributing to that.
• 1:25:32
  Yeah. And hopefully and hopefully
• 1:25:33
  things will turn out next year, they'll be a lot bigger and we
• 1:25:38
  get to hang out more. Yeah, yeah, I know.
• 1:25:41
  They're already talking and they're already in talks about
• 1:25:45
  next year's event. Oh yeah, get it back up to the,
• 1:25:50
  you know, three day weekend sort of long term.
• 1:25:54
  Yeah, things. Change.
• 1:25:56
  Right, you got to go with the change.
• 1:25:58
  Yeah, of course I'm not even, I don't even ask for it.
• 1:26:01
  I'm, I'm, I'm guessing he's going to explain to it at, at
• 1:26:04
  the event what happens, you know, but I don't, I don't ask
• 1:26:08
  questions. I just.
• 1:26:10
  Let people explain it when they won't explain it right.
• 1:26:13
  Yeah. It's.
• 1:26:14
  It's again, it's their prerogative that they won't
• 1:26:17
  explain things then. Yeah.
• 1:26:20
  But I'm, I'm hoping to meet everybody and you and show you
• 1:26:23
  show me to your tribe and stuff. And yes.
• 1:26:26
  Sir AB. I can bring a friend as well.
• 1:26:28
  I've been trying to get it together.
• 1:26:30
  That's the reason why I asked you about the hammock situation
• 1:26:32
  is because he he has a hammock and stuff.
• 1:26:36
  So yeah, you know the. The the week, the the day thing,
• 1:26:40
  you know, it's, you know, as it's been, you know, like buy
• 1:26:43
  your ticket for the day or for the weekend.
• 1:26:46
  But yeah. This time.
• 1:26:47
  I don't know if you saw it, but like they, they recently
• 1:26:50
  updated. It's like, you know, it's, it's
• 1:26:51
  free admission. Just bring a side dish for the
• 1:26:53
  potluck 'cause they're, they're doing, they're doing a food
• 1:26:56
  thing, you know, to feed everybody that day.
• 1:26:58
  So just bring a side dish. You don't have to pay you.
• 1:27:00
  Well, I mean, it's a free entry unless you want to donate to the
• 1:27:04
  hearth that that's hosting it. But yeah, it's it's it's going
• 1:27:08
  to be fun. I'm, I'm looking forward to it,
• 1:27:10
  even though it's going to be a Monday.
• 1:27:11
  I think it's going to be out of the norm for what Shadow Mood
• 1:27:14
  has been in the past. But in future I.
• 1:27:17
  Even. Took the weekend.
• 1:27:18
  I even took the weekend off. I.
• 1:27:21
  Took Thursday. I took Thursday afternoon so I
• 1:27:23
  can get ready and then and then Friday, the whole day, Friday so
• 1:27:28
  I could travel and get there early enough to to be a part of
• 1:27:31
  those events. And then and then Saturday and
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  Sunday I'm naturally off and I took off Monday to recoup.
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  Yeah, I know how that is. But I'm, I'm going to see if I
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  can get some of those. I'm going to, I'm going to see
• 1:27:45
  if I can get the Thursday and the Monday back and then still
• 1:27:50
  take off Friday. So I or take off Friday so I can
• 1:27:52
  get ready. Yeah.
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  Yeah, well, it'd be good to see you again, man.
• 1:27:56
  I'm. I'm glad.
• 1:27:56
  Oh yeah. I'm definitely coming man.
• 1:27:59
  I've I've I've I've had this in the I've had this already
• 1:28:02
  planned out since couple of months ago.
• 1:28:05
  Excellent. And I'll post a link down for
• 1:28:07
  everybody that's listening and watching to this, in case you're
• 1:28:10
  curious or you've thought about it or you're coming to know what
• 1:28:13
  the updates are. There's a Facebook event for it,
• 1:28:16
  but it's going to be in Murfreesboro, TN.
• 1:28:18
  It's going to be a one day thing at Barfield Crescent Park off of
• 1:28:20
  Old Fort Parkway. Event details will be posted
• 1:28:23
  down below and in the show notes.
• 1:28:25
  So anybody that's listening and watching to this can can find
• 1:28:28
  the details about that on this episode.
• 1:28:30
  So that's coming up in just a little over well two months time
• 1:28:35
  because it less than two months time it's going to.
• 1:28:38
  Be it's going to be two weeks, but it's going to be two weeks
• 1:28:40
  prior to our our Wicker man. So the Wicker Man.
• 1:28:46
  Thing yeah if y'all. Want to come out and say hi to
• 1:28:48
  me there? I'll be there.
• 1:28:50
  I know Jesse's got fire on the mountain that that day.
• 1:28:54
  Yeah, I'll be, I'll be in Appalachia for Fire on the
• 1:28:56
  Mountain, but if there's an event here for the Wicker Man
• 1:28:58
  thing, I'll I'll post that as well so people in the area if
• 1:29:03
  they want to check it out. Yeah, I'll, I'll be there.
• 1:29:05
  And there's some rumors too. I'm not going to go into full
• 1:29:08
  detail. But.
• 1:29:10
  A certain drummer from a certain band that we both have been to
• 1:29:14
  and know and love may be there. He's supposed to be supposed to.
• 1:29:20
  He's supposed to be up in Tennessee the weekend before,
• 1:29:23
  but we're trying to get, but if he has time, he's going to come
• 1:29:25
  drum help, drum wheels too. That's what I heard.
• 1:29:29
  Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, hints. And teasers and all the fun
• 1:29:34
  things. Wow, Yeah.
• 1:29:36
  And you know who you know? You know, probably which one.
• 1:29:40
  I have an idea you have. An idea?
• 1:29:43
  I have an idea. Yeah, I have only two ideas, but
• 1:29:47
  who knows? Yeah, two ideas.
• 1:29:50
  It's one of those two well. Cool, man, that's that's a lot
• 1:29:55
  of good stuff that's happening in the the Mid South region of
• 1:29:57
  the US. And thank you, Blake, for being
• 1:30:00
  my guest this week. It's been a great time chatting
• 1:30:03
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• 1:30:05
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• 1:30:24
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• 1:30:26
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• 1:30:30
  Event details for that are going to be linked.
• 1:30:32
  All of that's going to be linked so.
• 1:30:34
  I'm just hoping they don't have another burn ban this year.
• 1:30:38
  Yeah, I hope not that. That that got us all the way
• 1:30:41
  down there to Mule Tide. Yeah.
• 1:30:44
  Pushed you guys way out. Hopefully we get some more rain
• 1:30:46
  because it's been dry. Yeah, I, I think, I think it put
• 1:30:50
  a good dip back in early this year, early August when it had
• 1:30:54
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• 1:30:57
  I think it put a good. Dip it did, I mean.
• 1:30:59
  I think there may be still like a lot like a trash burn band,
• 1:31:02
  but those just regular fires, it may, it may be a little bit more
• 1:31:06
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• 1:31:09
  And we still got time. It could.
• 1:31:10
  It can still rain some, you know, hurricanes and all that.
• 1:31:14
  Yeah. All right, cool man.
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