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What happens when blackouts occur during extreme cold? · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

• 0:07
  Mainstream media has betrayed our trust.
• 0:10
  Rather than tell us the whole story about the important issues of the day, they tell us only what they want us to hear.
• 0:16
  Your hosts, Tom Harris and Todd Royal will bring you the other side of the story.
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  A prolonged and unusually intense cold spell continues to grip much of the United States, with temperatures plunging far below seasonal norms, and forecasts suggesting the chill will persist into February.
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  Millions across the plains, Midwest, and Eastern states are experiencing sustained sub-freezing conditions, driven largely by a weakened polar vortex that is funneling Arctic air deep into the country.
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  In fact, large portions of the eastern U.S.
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  are now among the coldest regions on Earth relative to their averages for this time of year, according to meteorologists tracking the pattern.
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  The cold snap has lasted more than a week in many areas with sub-freezing temperatures forecast to continue.
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  Sadly, multiple regions across the U.S.
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  have experienced significant power outages during the recent unusual cold, especially in the south, midwest and along the eastern coast.
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  Several major winter storms and Arctic air outbreaks have strained power infrastructure and knocked down lines and left hundreds of thousands without electricity.
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  And as of January 29th, at least 85 dead, according to ABC News.
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  For example, in Tennessee and Mississippi, more than 70,000 homes and businesses remained without power for over a week after ice storms damaged lines and poles.
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  And that was when Mississippi saw temperatures as cold as minus four degrees Fahrenheit and ice accretion exceeded one inch in some areas, worsening line failures and slowing repairs.
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  During the Tennessee blackout period, temperatures in the Nashville Middle Tennessee region dropped to about minus 10 degrees Fahrenheit.
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  And vulnerable residents in both states face life-threatening conditions without electricity.
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  Local officials confirm that at least 21 to 23 people have died in Tennessee due to the weather.
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  In today's program, my co-host Todd Royal and I are going to drill down on why this extreme cold has occurred.
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  What are the physical reasons?
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  It's not climate change and why our power grid has become so fragile.
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  Hey Todd, what's the weather been like in Texas over the past 10 days?
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  Cold, cold, and real cold.
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  We had ice, we had snow.
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  We were, you know, in the Dallas North area is essentially shut down for gosh, four days, five days.
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  It wasn't winter storm year, you know, Uri, but it was close.
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  It was real, it was very close.
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  Um that level we we missed being as cold as you were by maybe five degrees at one point.
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  We were, you know, basically zero.
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  Um, and you know, of course, this part of the country is just it's just not prepared for it.
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  It doesn't happen that often, but we we kind of you kind of muddle through these things here.
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  It's not like you know, we live in Canada where you're used to it, and you have the clothing and the cars, and there's um your government officials are obviously getting roads cleared.
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  That's not necessarily the case here.
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  Yeah.
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  So what kind of temperatures did you get?
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  Uh, we got all the we definitely were free, we were past freezing for gosh, close to 10 days.
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  We at many many points we were in the single digits.
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  You know, we we had snow and freezing rain for close to three days off and on.
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  Oh, wow.
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  And on the actual final last pieces of the ice just melted yesterday.
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  Oh, wow.
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  And yet, you know, only three weeks before I was talking to you, and you said it was like 80 degrees.
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  Oh, yeah, it was it was like 80, 90 degrees.
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  Um, but that you know, that's what can happen here.
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  And and typically in this part of the country, you start to feel a little chill in November.
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  You can definitely get very cold in December, but January, February, I mean, we we may not be negative zero, but we can definitely be five degrees, 15 degrees, 18 degrees, certainly below freezing.
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  Um, that's uh that's uh that that can go on for you know upwards of 60 to 70, 80 days.
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  Wow.
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  So you have a variation within a few weeks of about 60 degrees.
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  Oh, we absolutely do.
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  We had a variation just the other day.
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  We're at night, the nighttime it was 27 degrees, and then it got up to um 72 degrees the next day.
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  We have wild fluctuations in in weather here.
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  Yeah.
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  So has the state learned its lesson from winter storm Uri, like did you have a lot of black?
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  Oh, well, that's a good question.
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  Um the state got lucky.
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  Doug Sheridan does some good work on this, Isaac Orr does really good work on this.
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  Um Jason, who we had on uh, you know, the gentleman we had on recently, all of a sudden Jason's last name is escaping me right now.
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  Um Jason Isaac.
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  Yeah, Jason Isaac does great work on this.
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  Uh David Blackman probably did the best work of anybody on this.
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  We all of them have a different take, but essentially we didn't we didn't go into blackout, we didn't go into brownout.
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  Things were weatherized.
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  We, you know, so we didn't lose anything.
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  Uh, but essentially our natural our solar went down to almost zero.
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  Wind contributed some, like it didn't, it didn't contribute anything last time.
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  It contributed some.
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  We honestly got lucky.
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  That's that's we were essentially right at how much you needed we had available, and I think our you know, whether it's reserved capacities or the margins, they were essentially wiped out.
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  Storage did nothing.
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  What you really learned in this winter storm was that renewables were next to nothing.
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  We had a little bit of wind, so that held, but we had no sun, uh energy storage since most of those are lithium batteries contributed near nothing because for our audience sake and you know this, Tom.
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  Uh when it gets very cold, a lithium battery, which 90 typically about 95% of the world's uh grid scale batteries or batteries like in our iPhones or electric vehicles, that's a lithium battery, and a lithium battery loses significant amounts of storage power when it's when it's cold.
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  It can also do the same thing when it's hot, but particularly they do not perform when it's cold.
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  Yeah, when I go out for a walk here, if I keep my phone in an outside pocket, by the time I'm back, it's not working.
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  Yeah, it's yeah, yeah.
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  So Tippi, same thing happened here.
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  So what I would say for Texas is we got very lucky, the PJM, you know, the regional the RTO uh closer to you, which I think even gets power from different parts of Canada.
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  Shortfalls, they got lucky.
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  Um, but we in Texas, if if this would have been longer, or certainly if we um if we looked at, hey, we're adding more and more data centers, like all the different.
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  If you look right now, the number one area for data centers in the country outside of Virginia, uh, the proposed is going to be in Texas.
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  Texas, if if we continue down this path, and and if and if it's it's things that have to connect to the grid, Texas will go in a blackout the next time one of these happens.
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  Or a prolonged heat.
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  Or a prolonged heat wave.
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  And remember, Tom, I live somewhere.
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  It would not be uncommon to say, hey, it's gonna be 100 degrees or hotter for 60 plus days.
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  Where you are now.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, yeah.
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  No, I guess then your demand for energy is greater in the summer than the winter.
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  Oh, another good question.
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  When you look at the ERCOT, which is who delivers our electricity here in Texas, the electric reliability council of Texas.
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  Um sometimes see just as great a demand in the winter as you will in the summer.
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  Now, obviously, I think the way to differentiate is the demand isn't as long.
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  Um you know, it'll be hey, it's real intense here for 10 days, where in the summer we could see 90 to 100 or 90 to 120 days of intensity.
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  You know, it's interesting.
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  I have a friend who's a doctor, an MD, and he was offered a job to go to a small town in Texas.
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  And uh they said, if you take this job, because they were so desperate for a doctor, they said if you take this job, we'll buy you a pink Cadillac.
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  And he didn't take them seriously, but he took the job, and when he showed up at the airport, they met him with a pink Cadillac.
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  And uh it was interesting because he was there for maybe half a year or so, but his wife could not cope with the heat.
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  I mean, she just she had to live indoors 100% of the time.
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  So after after six months, he moved back to Canada.
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  Well, uh yeah, I mean, I I think if anything in Texas or certainly parts of the South, but really this part of Texas, you know, where it's that beginnings of the kind of uh the Great Plains, let's say it was the old Chisholm Trail, which went from Fort Worth, Texas to Chicago.
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  Um, it's obviously where the most wind in the country is located.
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  It's really just a it's an incredibly harsh part of the United States weather wise.
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  And what you really find is we're kind of right at that.
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  Bottom half.
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  You know, we're right there where okay, we can be five degrees or 120 degrees, let's say.
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  Um, you know, and that's Fahrenheit.
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  Uh, I don't know the the Celsius equivalent.
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  Still more than 100 100 degree range.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, you're you're literally looking at 100 degree ranges, and I can certainly see your um your friend's wife going, I I can't even, I can't even put up with because she's she's right.
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  I mean, it will be hot here for six straight months.
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  Yeah, wow.
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  And you know, it's not caused by human uh none of this is caused.
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  The hot temperature, the low temperature.
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  I think it's worth going through why it was so cold in Texas.
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  Do you mind if I sort of explain it to people?
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  Please, absolutely please.
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  Yeah, sure.
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  Above both poles of the earth are polar vortexes.
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  They're very fast winds that travel around the poles in a big sort of donut around both poles.
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  And when the winds are strong, it holds the cold air from Siberia and places like that towards the poles.
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  But when the winds, when the winds get weak, it starts to break down and it actually moves the cold air moves down and starts to push the jet stream much further south.
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  And it can push the jet stream all the way down to the Gulf of Mexico.
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  And so what happened in this case is that very cold air from Siberia was allowed to pass all the way down the the continental United States, all the way down to Texas.
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  And it's interesting because there were times in Texas when you were colder than your average by more than any place in the world.
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  Okay.
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  Wow, you know, when the polar vortex weakens and it allows that cold air to drift south, it actually totally distorts the the jet stream, and that barrier between the cold and the and the warm just goes way down south.
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  And I know in a winter storm Uri that it was colder in Texas than it was in Alaska.
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  Well, and of course, that's because this wave wavy wavy jet stream.
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  Now, here's something interesting to ask.
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  You and I obviously are not proponents of human-caused climate change, meaning CO2, which comes from fossil fuels, is the main driver of uh whether heat or cold.
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  You and I do know we we we both kind of tend to go with what our guest said last week.
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  It's a it's a driver, but it's not the main driver.
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  But let's say, and and I'm asking your expertise here, Tom, because I don't know.
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  Let's say the Earth right now, some people say, okay, we have warned.
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  We can see that.
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  But then others will go say, but actually, we're concerned there's not enough CO2 in the air, and we're actually concerned we're gonna head back to a you know, an ice age or a little ice age.
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  Yeah, that's what the Russian um climatologists are saying.
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  That in fact the sun's going into a grand solar minimum around 2060, and we'll have conditions as cold, almost as cold as the little ice age.
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  So then this is my question.
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  So let's say, like what happened then, and I don't really I don't like to fly in airplanes anymore.
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  I don't like it.
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  Um in those kind of conditions, and I and I've had to fly quite a bit the last four or five years.
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  I've probably logged, I don't know, close to 80,000 miles, maybe more.
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  And so I find that turbulence now is worse.
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  Maybe or maybe I'm just getting older in finding that out.
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  When that kind of air comes in, does it make it like does it make it worse to fly?
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  Does it make it what are some of the after effects?
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  Meaning uh if if the climate is we know the climate's always changing, but if the climate is taking on some some pretty big changes right now, maybe it's getting warmer.
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  Is it getting colder?
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  Do you find then it's is it going to be harder for airline flights?
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  Well, yes, and in fact, in this case, the wavy jet stream actually corresponded with a strong Arctic high.
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  And what this was is it was a dense of extremely cold high pressure systems that slid out of Canada and moved very fast, carried very cold, dry air, and Texas is flat enough that nothing stops it from racing south.
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  And it's interesting.
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  What happened in this case, and I'll answer your question about the turbulence, is that cold Canadian air was allowed to come all the way down into Texas, and then air from the Gulf, which is very humid, of course, came up and the two met.
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  The cold air stayed down because it's more dense, and the the air from the Gulf quickly rose up across the the cold front.
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  And as it rose, it cooled, and of course it dropped its its uh precipitation, its moisture as rain.
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  And that's why you had all the ice, okay, because the moist gulf air overran the cold surface layer, and it produced freezing rain and ice.
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  And of course, all this is a lot of turbulence.
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  There's a lot of turbulence going on in that vicinity.
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  So yeah, what and you know, the the aircraft like to use the jet stream when it's nice and smooth and going from east to west, uh, or is it yeah, sorry, from west to east.
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  Yeah, they like yeah, they like to use it to help them get places, but when it's wavy, they're crossing it, and it's it is turbulent, and it certainly doesn't help them, that's for sure.
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  So under under these circumstances, yeah, it would have been bumpy flying anywhere pretty well uh during those days in in eastern North America.
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  But um, you know, this isn't is rare, this kind of breaking of the polar vortex and allowing the Gulf Stream to sweep southern.
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  Uh that's rare, but it's not unprecedented, and it's exactly the same kind of thing that happened in 2021, though this particular event was less severe.
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  Tell me in 2021, what happened to you?
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  Well, I mean, I know we've talked about it, talked about shows shows past, but we had a blackout.
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  So we went into full we went into full blackout.
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  And it was cold.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, it remember at one point it was down to minus five degrees.
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  Not wind chill feels like, but it is minus five degrees.
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  Yeah, Fahrenheit.
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  Yep.
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  Our house lost uh lost power for six days.
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  Um caused significant damage to our home.
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  Which really it really brings up this point, Tom, of whenever you're voting for people who believe in renewables or storage or net zero, I would make the case that what you're voting for is blackouts.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  You're you're voting for blackouts, you're voting for well, really, you're you're voting for society's death because you and I both know this.
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  We're I used to be a guy, I would camp and do those kind of things.
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  I've had done that in I don't know, 25 years.
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  Um, to say that I or most people could truly go live off grid.
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  Like, okay, we're we're we're really gonna go hunt and fish and make our own water and build our own shelters.
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  You're gonna you're gonna be hard pressed to be alive.
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  Yeah, well, you you got a taste of that.
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  What it would be like to live without a grid.
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  Our house got down to I think we got down to either 44 degrees or 39 degrees in the house.
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  In the house.
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  Um, we were very close to um losing uh potable water, so there would have been no the no sewage.
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  I had family members that had no potable water for four days.
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  I mean, they were getting they were getting very concerned, like it's they have enough stored up.
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  Uh barely.
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  Barely.
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  Um so yeah, it was it was a it was a real wake-up call, but I think it was also a real wake-up call to say what what do you as a society want to do?
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  I personally think it's the reason somebody like a momdami, the socialist, you know, the new socialist mayor of New York City.
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  I think it's it's part of the reasons a person like him can get elected now because they talk because they talk about affordability, they don't look at the problems that they've caused, but they talk about affordability now and affordability begins in places like what happened in you know, winter storm Uri for me, of course.
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  Uh anybody I know, their home.
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  I have people whose home insurance rates have gone up um 400, 800%.
• 18:43
  Oh my god.
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  And this is partly because the state had such a weak infrastructure for for electricity.
• 18:49
  Absolutely.
• 18:50
  Well, yeah, just your or just your home.
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  Yeah, you're you're yeah.
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  Before we drill down more into the reasons for that, I wanted to list what actually happened during this cold period, and it's still happening in places.
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  I wanted to list some of the locations and what happened.
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  For example, the plains in the upper midwest.
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  Here's what happened.
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  North Dakota, wind chills down to minus 50 degrees Fahrenheit, blowing snow, white out conditions, dangerous frostbite risk within minutes.
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  Wind chills uh in South Dakota, minus 30 to minus 45, okay, travel shutdowns on major highways.
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  Minnesota air temperatures minus 20 to minus 30.
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  Okay, and that doesn't count the uh you know the wind chill.
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  Iowa, minus 25 to minus 35.
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  It goes all the way down here, you know, it's affecting like a dozen states, central and southern plains.
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  Kansas was 20 to 30 degrees Fahrenheit below normal.
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  Okay, it's pretty amazing when you look at this.
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  Also, one place that was really hit hard was Tennessee.
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  Wind chills of minus 10 to minus 20 Fahrenheit, tens of thousands of people without power for like a week, 70,000, I believe it was.
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  In fact,
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  They're saying now it's not going to come online again in some places till around February 7th.
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  You're just looking down the list.
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  It's had a huge impact, hasn't it?
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  Well, I think we have to ask ourselves, though, why did this happen?
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  You know, what why did Tennessee have a blackout?
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  Right.
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  And that's the other point.
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  It's not just that it was very cold.
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  The cold contributed to the blackouts.
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  And we got a whole long list of power outages by state.
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  Tennessee, for example, more than 200,000 outages at peak.
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  You know, and they're saying some communities will be without power for a week.
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  So I mean, what what caused this?
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  Like in the case of Tennessee with Nashville was really creamed.
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  You're not prepared.
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  And I think what we're finding with all of these people is nobody.
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  If if the AI data center boom is doing anything, it's showing this shortage of power in the United States.
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  It's showing there's not enough transmission lines.
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  The grid itself cannot handle anything extreme, which is an ironic thing to be, Tom, whether it's Nashville, whether it's the full state of Tennessee, whether it's Mississippi, which I know uh has gone into blackouts.
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  At some point, you have to say this is how modern life and modern society begins.
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  So instead of doing other government programs, this is what you better do first.
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  You know, you better do the basics.
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  You you better is the road paid.
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  Is water getting delivered?
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  And the only way that water gets delivered is your electricity is working.
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  Um the only way food is getting delivered to stores is do you have the mechanisms for um of roadways that are clear, roadways that are modern and can handle traffic.
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  And I think I mean that's what we're seeing.
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  If you if you really say what are we seeing, Tennessee is served by the you know, Tennessee Valley Authority.
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  Uh they do a great job.
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  They do a great job with you know, they're they're expanding their nuclear power, um, natural gas, but but they also have been people that have been heavily influenced by the Democratic Party and the environmental global warming climate change part of the party, which is the entire party now.
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  And so when you do that, you and I both know this.
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  You're putting on capacity that means nothing.
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  I I mean, you could add a hundred gigawatts of solar tomorrow.
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  It would have done nothing for Texas, Tennessee, North Dakota, etc.
• 22:34
  I mean, we were essentially under a black cloud for five days.
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  Yeah.
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  Wow.
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  You're talking about 2021.
• 22:41
  Oh, I'm not talking about even this recent one.
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  Uh-huh.
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  And so uh, at least when you look at the United States right now, when you look at any of the the regional transmission providers or operators, pardon me, what you're seeing is very little firm fossil fuels and no nuclear is being added.
• 23:03
  And the things that are being added are batteries, wind, and particularly solar.
• 23:09
  And it's in the it's in the it's in the tens of gigawatts because the United States has been captured, and this is affected Nashville, Tennessee by the climate change radicals and the environmental right, the environmental Nazis.
• 23:23
  Yeah, it seems to be part of the whole DEI stuff and ESG.
• 23:27
  I mean, the bottom line is they shouldn't be adding any wind and solar until they have a secure solid foundation.
• 23:33
  Yeah, but they're they're acting as if the wind and solar can be a foundation, which it can't, can it?
• 23:39
  No, it can't, it can't at all.
• 23:41
  I mean, I think what this not I think of what this storm shows, whether it's winter storm Uri, winter storm fern, the growth of data centers, physics wins.
• 23:52
  The second law of thermodynamics wins.
• 23:56
  Um, you can't electrify everything.
• 23:59
  Electricity has to be produced, and you're never going to produce enough of it on a solid continuous basis to run anything if it's based on solar panels, wind turbines, and batteries.
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  Batteries are batteries are grossly expensive.
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  And if you have any kind of extreme weather events, they they have they have a very tough time operating.
• 24:22
  Yeah, as we were saying in the last show.
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  I mean, it's kind of ironic that they tell us all this extreme weather's coming, but they want us to get out of the ocean liner into the lifeboats.
• 24:31
  They want us to use the flimsiest energy source, which is the exact opposite.
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  You know, I wanted to actually list some of the blackouts that are occurred.
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  Please, and and you know, we're seeing places like Kentucky with bitter cold with wind chills near minus 15.
• 24:47
  Okay.
• 24:47
  So I'll just I'll just go through some of the power outages by state over the last 10 days.
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  Okay, more than 200,000 outages in Tennessee.
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  It was one of the hardest hit states.
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  And of course, Nashville, oh geez, there was some tens of thousands who had no power.
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  And they're saying now, oh, we're gonna get it back to you by February 7th.
• 25:07
  Oh, good luck.
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  You know, when it's when it's below freezing.
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  Mississippi, tens of thousands lost power during the ice storm.
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  Arkansas, tens of thousands without power at the peak.
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  Kentucky, tens of thousands outages.
• 25:20
  Okay, North Carolina, snow and ice cause.
• 25:23
  Now, it's interesting when co-pilot, and a lot of this list is from Copilot, which I can trust to at least report this part properly.
• 25:31
  Um, but when you ask Copilot, and we'll get into this in the second half of the show.
• 25:35
  Was this caused by wind and solar over reliance?
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  It'll say, oh no, no, no.
• 25:39
  And it gives all kinds of excuses, and I'm gonna ask your opinion on that.
• 25:42
  But I'll just go through a few more.
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  North Carolina, snow and ice caused scattered outages across across the Piedmont.
• 25:49
  Uh, Texas, North and Panhandle, not as severe as 2021, but like you were saying, pretty bad.
• 25:54
  Oklahoma caused thousands of uh freezing rain and sleek caused thousands of outages.
• 26:00
  Missouri scattered outages, tens of thousands in Illinois, Michigan, tens of thousands, New York, tens of thousands.
• 26:08
  The whole list goes down here.
• 26:09
  I mean, we're not talking about a few people being hit with blackouts, are we?
• 26:14
  No, and I think what's so interesting, not interesting to me about this, Tom, but we're just at this point in the West where we're committing suicide.
• 26:24
  Yeah, um, whether it's your prime minister saying that he's going to partner with the Chinese.
• 26:30
  You really have to, you really have to look at our governing elites and say, you know, I I don't want to be bombastic here.
• 26:38
  So they're they don't tell the truth.
• 26:41
  They're frankly, you can almost say they're liars.
• 26:44
  They it seems like you're you're you're trying to hurt us.
• 26:48
  What I'm what I'm about to say is not this is not controversial.
• 26:52
  This is physics.
• 26:54
  This is science.
• 26:55
  You know, they say they're all for the science.
• 26:57
  We know that if you build a coal-fired power plant, that thing is gonna run under any temperature you have.
• 27:04
  Yeah, at the end of at the end of the day, I build the plant.
• 27:08
  I have a gigantic storage facility full of coal.
• 27:11
  No matter how hot or cold it is, that is gonna run.
• 27:15
  Yeah, exactly.
• 27:16
  Okay, we know that natural gas can have problems in extreme weather, cold, because typically you don't want to be having more than two or three days of gas because it just becomes too expensive, though.
• 27:30
  You could build the gas storage and keep it there, but typically you don't because of the cost of it.
• 27:35
  Well, it's also a much more secure grid if you have coal and nuclear, isn't it?
• 27:39
  Because you're not reliant on a pipeline coming in.
• 27:42
  You know, you're or truck delivery.
• 27:45
  Yeah, exactly.
• 27:46
  You've got a pile of coal there, and as long as you can get it to your burner to your boiler, you've got power.
• 27:52
  We have to go for a break now, Todd.
• 27:54
  But after the break, let's talk about the reasons for all these blackouts.
• 27:58
  Because as I said, I'll give you a quote from Copilot.
• 28:01
  You'll you'll just laugh.
• 28:02
  You know, it's so politically correct.
• 28:04
  So Todd and I'll be right back after the break.
• 28:06
  Okay.
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• 32:38
  So we're back talking with Todd Royal, Tom Harris, that's me.
• 32:42
  And I wanted to read to Todd what co-pilot, which is Microsoft's AI, very politically correct, doesn't want to blame wind and solar for anything.
• 32:50
  I said, did wind and solar power, the high amount in different states contribute to the outage.
• 32:56
  And here's what it said.
• 32:57
  Wind and solar power did not cause the outage.
• 33:00
  Okay.
• 33:01
  Very, very definite.
• 33:02
  You know, get off that bandwagon, Mr.
• 33:04
  Harris.
• 33:05
  The fail the failures came from ice damage, extreme cold, stress local infrastructure, which you think, okay, is that related?
• 33:13
  Anyway, not renewable generation.
• 33:15
  That's what it said.
• 33:17
  So do you think that's true, Todd?
• 33:19
  That a lot of these power failures have anything to do with the reliance on wind and solar power.
• 33:24
  Of course it does.
• 33:26
  Because you go, okay, what is a grid need?
• 33:29
  A grid needs uh baseload power, fancy term for the moment I turn on the lights, it's there.
• 33:35
  It needs dispatchable power, another fancy term that means it can come on and off whenever I need it, like natural gas can or even coal can, or a grid has something that's intermittent, meaning it's variable, it's intermittent.
• 33:50
  That is that's the definition of wind and solar.
• 33:52
  So when I have extreme cold conditions, or frankly, even if I have a day where it's 32 degrees, well, that means I'm getting no sun and probably very little wind.
• 34:03
  So in other words, it can't do anything.
• 34:05
  There's a reason that data centers now or manufacturing doesn't even want to try to use hydrogen, doesn't want to use wind or solar.
• 34:13
  Not only can it not get hot enough for you know process heat or steam for manufacturing, but it can't even do basic electricity when the conditions are not perfect.
• 34:24
  And why you put something on that even half the time of the year, it's not gonna work, solar or wind.
• 34:32
  And I think we have to remember too about a wind turbine, Tom, is that it can only work in certain temperatures or certain uh wind speeds.
• 34:40
  That why that's why a wind turbine will never work when the temperature I think typically the speed of the wind gets above 25 miles per hour, it it can't work.
• 34:49
  Yeah, right.
• 34:50
  If it if the wind gets too fast, it has to feather the blades or they'll break.
• 34:55
  Yep.
• 34:56
  So when we look at a state like Iowa, Iowa is 60% wind and solar.
• 35:01
  I mean, surely that's a very vulnerable grid.
• 35:04
  Well, I would tell anyone I would never put one business or do one thing in Iowa, and the moment you get in there, you better get out.
• 35:10
  Because you're now looking at at societal collapse.
• 35:15
  If there's a famous saying, I think it comes from like the U.S.
• 35:18
  Special Forces or most people you hear and go, society is nine meals away from chaos.
• 35:25
  Okay.
• 35:26
  What's that mean?
• 35:27
  That means that if I if I don't eat within three days, nine meals, that I likely will go into uh barbaric and savage behavior.
• 35:38
  Meaning I'm gonna do what it takes, whether to get food and get water.
• 35:43
  Well, let's say I'm on Des Moines, Iowa, and you and your senator who's been there forever, Chuck Grassley, who is actually the originator, I believe, of the production tax credit for wind.
• 35:54
  Um, a man who's responsible now for trillions of wasted dollars, amazing.
• 36:00
  One elected official can be such a fool.
• 36:04
  Um amazing.
• 36:07
  That man's gonna look back at his life, go, man.
• 36:09
  I destroyed the grid.
• 36:10
  They're gonna be venerated as some great U.S.
• 36:12
  senator when you go, No, you're you're you're actually a know nothing who should have gotten rid of that thing from day one.
• 36:19
  Um yeah, Tom.
• 36:22
  I mean, if you're in Des Moines, Iowa, and let's say you and I are in Des Moines, Iowa right now, and let's say here comes some massive system, we can't get out, and let's say it blows up the grid.
• 36:35
  Let's just say, and that's it can very well happen.
• 36:39
  Okay, what are you and I gonna do?
• 36:42
  Like, let's play this out in our heads.
• 36:44
  We've done this before on things.
• 36:45
  You and I in the middle of Des Moines, Iowa.
• 36:47
  I don't know where it is in Iowa.
• 36:48
  Let's just say it's close to Canada, or even in the middle.
• 36:53
  Okay, how far can you and I go walk?
• 36:58
  We can't we can't, especially if it's super cold.
• 37:01
  Yeah, if it's if it's super on a good day, I bet I could walk, I'll give myself uh 15 miles.
• 37:10
  So, how many days can you and I walk to escape extreme cold where grid is completely blacked out?
• 37:18
  Right.
• 37:19
  And uh and and an even colder state is South Dakota.
• 37:23
  South Dakota is 55 to 60 percent wind and solar.
• 37:27
  So I mean, there's a whole list of states that are putting themselves at massive risk.
• 37:31
  I just wondered, and I want your thoughts on this, Tom.
• 37:35
  Does it feel like the globalists like Mark Carney's of the world and our own globalists, U.S.
• 37:42
  Democratic Party, and kind of checked out Republicans, but does it feel like they almost want us to die?
• 37:50
  They want to get rid of us.
• 37:52
  Yeah, does it feel that way to you?
• 37:54
  Well, certainly they they don't want us to have much in the way of power.
• 37:58
  They want us to be just you know, useful servants.
• 38:01
  But but I think you know it's interesting because a lot of people say this is conspiracy theory, but I think the move to wind and solar power is partly driven by the fact that they are inefficient and they are actually dependent on government support to even survive.
• 38:16
  Because you know, if you look at something like coal, you know, like Bob Murray's energy company, Murray Energy.
• 38:22
  I mean, they didn't they they didn't need government subsidies, they were mining a very strong source of energy, and whether the government supported them or not, they and assuming the government didn't bring in regulations that ruined them, which in fact is largely what happened with the company.
• 38:38
  Um, then yeah, they can survive on their own.
• 38:41
  I mean, the whole point is that if wind and solar need massive government subsidies, and we heard about them when we interviewed Jason Isaac, you know, a couple of weeks ago.
• 38:50
  Then the government essentially is in charge of your energy infrastructure because without government support, you can't have energy from those sources.
• 38:59
  So, yeah, and I just want to go through a list of a few more states because it's a real it's a real warning to these states.
• 39:06
  Kansas, 45 to 50 percent is wind and solar power.
• 39:11
  Okla Oklahoma, 40 to 45 percent, Minnesota, 25 to 30.
• 39:16
  I mean, the list goes on, Nebraska 25 to 30, etc., all the way down, and you get eventually to some states like Mississippi, it's only about four percent.
• 39:24
  So at least they got some braids there.
• 39:27
  But I mean, these states are they're setting themselves up for a disaster, aren't they?
• 39:31
  Oh, they absolutely are.
• 39:32
  And and I think that's where I continue to just go.
• 39:35
  Well, okay, let's step back.
• 39:37
  You know, you'll always hear the thing.
• 39:39
  Well, Tom, okay, Mr.
• 39:42
  Climate Change skeptic.
• 39:43
  So you're telling me that you don't want to use the wind in the sun because everybody thinks that it's free.
• 39:50
  I'm sure you've heard that argument before, right, Tom.
• 39:52
  Everything's free.
• 39:53
  So it's it's always free.
• 39:55
  My thing is I come back and I go, okay, I'm gonna give you a fancy term.
• 39:58
  It's called marginal cost.
• 40:00
  Yes, the the input of the wind and the sun is free the moment it's doing it, but everything around it is not free.
• 40:10
  An entire backup system, batteries are needed, it typically needs two to four times more of the transmission lines, and then you still have the problem of it being intermittent, which to this day, I've still people sometimes say the total cost of electricity versus the levelized cost of electricity.
• 40:28
  I've never seen anybody yet model out the cost of intermittency.
• 40:32
  So what is that cost?
• 40:35
  If I were going to model it, I would probably take, you know, if you and I were to die in an airplane crash, they'll have costed you out and go to our respective spouses and hand them a check.
• 40:46
  We we believe that they their lives are worth this amount.
• 40:51
  Okay.
• 40:52
  Wherever you're using an intermittent grid, then I have to cost out every single person, every single business.
• 40:58
  And then what is it doing?
• 40:59
  Wearing down not just your grid because it has to go up and down, but also the um, and I actually give a great shout out in God rest his soul Jay Lair, who wrote about this fabulously.
• 41:12
  Jay would talk about when you you know, you have those spinning reserves and peaker plants and all of that.
• 41:18
  Well, when you do that to a power plant and make it go up and down, and you expound upon this as an engineer, you're wearing out that plant much quicker than if you just put the coal plant, put the gas plant, put the nuclear plant, and just let them run continuously.
• 41:34
  Is that yeah, that's worth drilling down to.
• 41:36
  I mean, the wind goes up and down, up and down, up and down.
• 41:39
  So you need very quick dispatchable power in the background.
• 41:43
  Yeah, and natural natural gas is probably the best for this because the best one for that.
• 41:47
  Yeah, you can vary the power quickly.
• 41:49
  But you know, there's a couple of things.
• 41:50
  First of all, the um natural gas stations run at a much higher efficiency when they just simply run at a steady output.
• 41:58
  If you're if you're ramping it up and down all the time, it's like driving your car down the road and you're going two miles an hour, eight miles an hour, 10 miles an hour, 50 miles an hour.
• 42:07
  You know, obviously your gas mileage is going to be terrible.
• 42:10
  So you end up burning more natural gas for a certain amount of power than if you just left the thing on.
• 42:15
  And you know, Robert F.
• 42:16
  Kennedy, he's obviously you know, not on our side when it comes to climate, but he he actually said something that was very perceptive.
• 42:23
  He said, when you're building wind power, you're building natural gas power stations because you need the backup, and it's so inefficient, it's so inefficient, and you can't even use the best kind of natural gas stations because you know they involve uh technology which can't be wrapped up and down.
• 42:40
  So you have to use less efficient gas turbines, which can easily be ramped up and down.
• 42:45
  You know, so Todd, what would you say to co-pilot if you heard it say the failures were caused by these things?
• 42:52
  But one of them they list was stressed local infrastructure, not renewable generation, but isn't stress local infrastructure caused by the flimsy power sources.
• 43:02
  Well, that's exactly what it is.
• 43:04
  It's you've got a grid.
• 43:08
  You have you have for it's almost again.
• 43:11
  I'll go back to we are committing societal suicide.
• 43:15
  Somehow, this idea of loathing of morality or religion or Judeo-Christian Western values, or even values based upon the UN Declaration of Human Rights or the Magna Carta, whatever values espouse private property, respect for Tom Harris, Todd Royal, respect for the institution of marriage, children, education, infrastructure, everything that makes a functioning society.
• 43:51
  And if I hate to say it, but they are the ones in power.
• 43:54
  And so they yes, the yes, everything's going to be stressed because you're you've you've dismantled a system that men like you had put together, and now you're replacing it with a flimsy, and then on top of use a solar panel, you have to use an inverter, which is horribly difficult to control, which is flimsy, which is flimsy technology at best.
• 44:19
  And so now I've even stressed my grid further by using an inverter and then having backup fossil fuels, because I don't know if you know this, Tom, but you really will never use a nuclear power plant to be dispatchable.
• 44:31
  Nuclear power plants cannot ramp up and down, they typically take minimal one, if not two or three days to shut down.
• 44:40
  Oh, okay.
• 44:40
  Um, it's a it's a long process, whereas, like you said, coal, but particularly this that form of gas can can kind of ramp up and down.
• 44:49
  But yeah, we we've of course the of course the infrastructure is stressed, of course, all the local resources are stressed because you either voted for or mandated putting things on the grid that the grid was never intended to have intended to handle, and now you have an entire party in Canada, an entire party in the United States, which fully believes in dismantling all fossil fuels, maybe use a tight bit of nuclear, and everything comes from wind and solar and batteries and an EV, which we both know.
• 45:23
  If you use an EV, you'll then you you literally can blow out transformers that help help electricity get to local neighborhoods because it stresses it stresses that too much.
• 45:34
  So, yeah, of course it's all stressed out, and I would I would say to anybody, you've taken off firm dispatchable baseload power for an intermittent, typically inverter-based resource that can handle nothing.
• 45:50
  Yeah, now I should take that exact quote, your last sentence, and I should go back into Copilot and feed in, okay.
• 45:57
  Here's an answer to your statement.
• 45:58
  See what it says, I'll have to tell you later.
• 46:00
  Oh, but you know, I hope you do.
• 46:02
  Yeah, yeah.
• 46:04
  Now, uh, what I found with Copilot on climate change is that it's only skin deep.
• 46:09
  If you start to drill down, it'll eventually say, I do not wish to continue this conversation, which I think is hilarious.
• 46:16
  I want to be respectful about this, but I think it's important.
• 46:20
  When you think about Microsoft, have you read the allegations against Bill Gates that have come out in the Epstein files?
• 46:28
  No, I haven't.
• 46:29
  They're disgusting.
• 46:30
  Essentially, essentially the man caught an STD from seemingly girls that he was having sex with that obviously wasn't his wife.
• 46:39
  Uh and he had asked for um I guess medicine, so his wife would not find out he had contracted an STD.
• 46:49
  Now, Mr.
• 46:51
  Gates has vehemently denied that, of course, his office has, but in these in the latest dump of files, which is, I guess, in the millions, um, it does not paint Bill Gates in a very pretty picture.
• 47:04
  And then his ex-wife, uh, Melinda Gates French, I believe that's her name, just gave a quote yesterday, I guess, on a podcast where she said, This is bringing up very painful memories of my marriage for me.
• 47:14
  So wow, so she knew what was she knew what was going on.
• 47:18
  You want to be respectful, but I always wonder in things like that, is your disgustedness now infecting your products.
• 47:28
  Yeah.
• 47:29
  That's just I and people could go, oh, there's disgusting people everywhere.
• 47:32
  And I get that, I fully understand that.
• 47:34
  But when it's so disgusting, I wonder if it then is in is infecting your product.
• 47:40
  And I understand Mr.
• 47:41
  Gates is not involved every day in Microsoft, but it's Microsoft is still Bill Gates.
• 47:47
  Yeah, it was one of that on it.
• 47:49
  Yeah, but when basic ethics are missing, yeah, you've got trouble.
• 47:55
  And you know, it's interesting because during winter storm Uri, the media went out of their way to say it's not wind and solar power that contributed to the blackout.
• 48:04
  Yeah, in fact, I think it was CNBC.
• 48:06
  I'll have to look up.
• 48:07
  I took a screen capture because while the announcer was speaking, they had in big letters across the screen behind him.
• 48:14
  This was not caused by wind power reduction.
• 48:16
  You know, they tried so hard.
• 48:18
  And yet it's interesting, Todd.
• 48:20
  If you look at if you look at the the power output, a little before the storm hit, wind was generating, oh gosh, it was approaching 50% of all the power in Texas at you know, on average.
• 48:32
  And the interesting thing is that when the storm hit, the wind blow way down to almost nothing.
• 48:38
  And all the other sources, the more reliable ones had to suddenly pick up the slack, and they couldn't do it in that sort of very short time interval.
• 48:46
  So I mean, winter storm Uri became a real disaster in which over up to 700 people died as a result, according to the Wall Street Journal.
• 48:56
  Um, that was largely really caused by their over reliance on wind and solar, wasn't it?
• 49:01
  Yeah, it is.
• 49:03
  And uh I'm just uh I'm I'm sitting here while we're talking and just kind of thinking about Jay Lear.
• 49:09
  I think it's what was Jay, like a thousand magazine and journal articles.
• 49:13
  I believe he also did 36 books.
• 49:15
  Oh, yeah.
• 49:15
  Um, I mean, he Yeah, I called him so I called him I called him Superman.
• 49:19
  He had a PhD, he was an iron iron man trial, and in his 80s he'd call me and say, Oh, we were tired today.
• 49:26
  We only did 30 miles on the bike, you know, like and the sad thing is he he was so healthy he never saw the inside of a doctor's office.
• 49:35
  So yeah, it was very disappointing when he passed away.
• 49:37
  That's where there is trip.
• 49:40
  And I would tell anybody go to C Fact, uh, the letter C F A C T type in you know Jay Lear, L E H R.
• 49:50
  Um, just to give an example, like he's got a he's got an article that says the grid, everyone knows the word, few understand it.
• 49:57
  His understanding of the electrical grid.
• 50:00
  Was one of the he was one of my pivotal sources um in my book, just green electricity.
• 50:06
  And Jay Jay had such an understanding of the electrical grid and such an understanding of renewables.
• 50:14
  And if you if you actually Google Jay, he he's getting eviscerated by people like the Wall Street Journal.
• 50:21
  Whereas now they would all say, you know, Jay said things like, you know, wind power doesn't even produce half the power that they say it does.
• 50:29
  And I mean, he just he was so pressing, he was so on point.
• 50:34
  Um, yeah, and in fact, even in the Fukushima case, he said to the Japanese government look, if you do these mass evacuations, you're causing more risk to the people than if you just leave them there because the deaths from radiation will be virtually nothing.
• 50:50
  But the deaths from moving people from nursing homes and other places, especially will be significant.
• 50:55
  And I understand he was totally right, wasn't he?
• 50:58
  Oh, he was totally right.
• 50:59
  I mean, I think in that being one that we think that one person either died from radiation or one person got sick.
• 51:08
  I want to say die.
• 51:09
  I want to be, I want to be respectful and say, I think die, but it was hundreds, if not thousands, died over mass hysteria.
• 51:17
  Oh, and we now, you know, we also now know too that what the problem was.
• 51:23
  Uh, you're also we're talking something that was a once in 300 years event, but in so many ways, the plant worked.
• 51:32
  You know, it's it's like three mile island.
• 51:34
  Okay, it was a human error, but the plant worked.
• 51:37
  That the engineering worked, even as bad a design as Fukushima was, it still worked.
• 51:44
  It did not really radiation.
• 51:47
  I and yet once again, once again, the media are our enemy because they paint the whole thing as a like a nuclear bomb ready to go off.
• 51:56
  And you know, the fact is, and you as a nuclear guy, maybe maybe you can just say a couple of words about this before we conclude.
• 52:02
  You can't a nuclear reactor doesn't blow up.
• 52:04
  You were saying the reaction coefficient, even is such that it cannot have a runaway, the modern reactors.
• 52:11
  No, they have what's called passive safety systems.
• 52:15
  Um, if you look at whether it's molten salts or even high temperature gas, uh triso fuels, gosh, even a modern AP 1000, a water cool technology, which is at those higher atmospheric pressures.
• 52:30
  No, uh we we we know for a fact that upwards of possibly two million people a year are dying from fossil fuels, and I'm as pro-fossil fuels as they get.
• 52:42
  It's the only thing I disagree about that with with Alex Epstein is Alex.
• 52:47
  We do need to acknowledge that people are dying from it.
• 52:51
  Like let's let's acknowledge that.
• 52:54
  Yet we know that no, people have not died, they've not died from nuclear, but to your point, the reaction of a nuclear bomb and the reaction in a nuclear power plant are two different reactions.
• 53:08
  They're not the same, there's different as oil and water.
• 53:11
  And I even tell people let's say you hate China, or let's take Russia, which you we supposedly we're all supposed to really hate.
• 53:18
  They're building reactors as fast as they can do them.
• 53:22
  Is it in their interest to build something that would ultimately blow would why would why would China and Russia be building 95% of all nuclear power plants right now if they knew they were building a bomb that the moment they turned it on, it was going to blow up.
• 53:37
  It it doesn't make sense, Tom.
• 53:39
  I know, and and we've put up so many regulatory barriers to building nuclear reactors that you take a can do reactor, they can build it in China from the you know, from the initial approval to actually generating electricity, they can do it in five years.
• 53:53
  In Canada, we're lucky if we can do it in 10 years, and yet we are the originators of the reactor design.
• 54:00
  Like I mean, it's it's pretty pathetic.
• 54:03
  People people will tell you that people that know a hell of a lot more than me will tell you the best reactor designs, there's two in the world.
• 54:10
  The advanced boiling water reactor, which you typically see in Japan, because it's an easier technology than a light water or pressurized water.
• 54:18
  But then if you said, let's go build one reactor, go build the can do.
• 54:24
  People will tell you, y'all were building, I think you built 15 candos in 15 years.
• 54:29
  You were building one, like one was opened up like one every year.
• 54:33
  That there was yeah, and the beauty is that it uses natural uranium, it doesn't have to be enriched because it's using heavy water as a moderator.
• 54:43
  You know, just as a concluding statement, I have a feeling that in future winters, we're gonna discuss this again because these states are using huge amounts of unreliable power, and as we said in the beginning, the breaking of the solar vortex, the weakening of it and allowing cold that's a natural phenomena, it's gonna come back.
• 55:04
  So, I mean, my question to you is how many people have to die before they're gonna wake up and realize oh hey yeah, when does solar power not the greatest when we have solar vortex weakening?
• 55:16
  Tom, that's a great question.
• 55:17
  I I honestly I don't know.
• 55:20
  I I don't I don't know what the number is until people begin to listen to people like yourself.
• 55:26
  And you know, people like you are no longer vilified, and the mark carnies of the world are are thrown out into the dustbin of history, and environmental organizations until people begin to listen to people like you and the Dr.
• 55:41
  Jay Lairs and Franklin and Donald Trump, who's an energy dominance guy.
• 55:46
  And read your read your books, yeah.
• 55:49
  Read my books.
• 55:52
  Because I mean, those are and I'll list them in the references under our podcast because this is where people should start.
• 55:58
  Your books are very easy to understand interpretation of a very complex field.
• 56:04
  Well, I appreciate that.
• 56:05
  And Tom, I wish I had a good answer.
• 56:07
  I sometimes I people have asked me that before, and I always say, I don't know what it is it's gonna take to get people out of that ideological stupor.
• 56:17
  Yeah, well, I think people are just brainwashed by the media, and they're going out of their way at some point in the future show, we're gonna have to explore why the media continue to promote stuff that is ruining our society.
• 56:28
  I mean, it's really sad.
• 56:30
  Anyway, on that note, you know, we're we're getting a life lesson from all of these blackouts, that's for sure.
• 56:36
  People listening to this in in those regions, yeah.
• 56:39
  Ask your politicians what really caused this.
• 56:42
  Anyway, this is Tom Harrison, Todd Royal signing out from the other side of the story.