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The big lie: Emissions are causing a climate emergency – meet Frank Lasee · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

• 0:07
  Mainstream media has betrayed our trust.
• 0:10
  Rather than tell us the whole story about the important issues of the day, they tell us only what they want us to hear.
• 0:16
  Your hosts, Tom Harris and Todd Royal will bring you the other side of the story.
• 0:27
  While Americans fill their gas tanks for about $4.10 a gallon and $560 for diesel, Irish drivers and other Europeans are paying $8.55 for gas and nearly $960 for diesel.
• 0:41
  That's not a market accident.
• 0:43
  It is the direct result of Europe's aggressive carbon taxes, excise duties, and net zero ideology.
• 0:50
  That's the beginning of an article just published in the Washington Examiner titled Worried About Rising Gas Prices.
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  It's important to understand Europe's mistakes so that we don't do the same in North America.
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  Consequently, we've invited the author of this article, Wisconsin-based champion for climate and energy truth, Frank LeSay, to be our guest on the show today.
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  Frank is a senior policy analyst with the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow or CFAC.
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  You can check them out at CFACT.org and is the author of an important 2024 book titled Climate and Energy Lies, Expensive, Dangerous, and Destructive.
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  In his campaign to support reliable power and against the unscientific idea that our emissions are causing a climate emergency, Frank meets with politicians, regularly appears on TV and radio, and has articles published in media across the political spectrum.
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  He served as the ledgevard chair, and also in the Wisconsin State Assembly and the Wisconsin State Senate.
• 1:56
  So welcome back to the show, Frank.
• 1:58
  Yeah, thanks for having me on.
• 1:59
  It's always great to be talking with you, Tom.
• 2:01
  And thanks folks out there for listening to us.
• 2:04
  So Frank, can you give us an example of the magnitude and impact of the carbon tax in Europe and let's say Ireland?
• 2:10
  I mean, how does the carbon tax increase the cost for food and other essentials?
• 2:16
  Well, gas, they're paying in Ireland and across Europe about double what we're paying now for gas.
• 2:22
  Uh so when I'm American, of course, and Canadians, I think are feeling this as well.
• 2:27
  But um, they're really feeling it in their pocketbook.
• 2:29
  They're very upset.
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  And um the other part is they're rate, they're continuing to raise the carbon taxes, CO2 taxes.
• 2:37
  And by the way, and you know this, Tom, calling car uh CO2 carbon is like calling water hydrogen.
• 2:43
  It's a misuse of the language, but it's great marketing.
• 2:46
  So they're paying double for gas, they're paying more.
• 2:48
  Many uh many people in Ireland heat their homes with kerosene, which is interesting.
• 2:52
  And I think some even harvest peat and burn that as well, uh um uh out of the the swamps and things.
• 2:59
  So um they're very upset about it.
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  And if you think about your gas bill when you're pumping it in your car, and it would be literally double.
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  And the the reason it's double is two parts.
• 3:10
  One is is their taxes almost almost make that double or more.
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  And the other reason is is they have very restrictive policies, and Europe and England um has have chosen not to harvest their own natural resources, their own oil.
• 3:24
  Um, yet they'll buy it from the Norwegians, they'll buy it from the Middle East, but they won't harvest it themselves for for this kind of crazy um you know anti-CO2 policies they have.
• 3:35
  Yeah, so they're not harvesting their own oil.
• 3:38
  So they're not reducing or not using it.
• 3:40
  It's just they take it from somewhere else, where they probably put out more CO2 because they don't have as good equipment.
• 3:47
  Well, and you have to ship it.
• 3:48
  So it's harvested somewhere else, and then it's shipped there, and all that shipping uh takes time and it costs, and it also has an environmental cost.
• 3:57
  You those big ships with uh two million barrels of oil on them uh use a fair amount of uh diesel to move them around.
• 4:05
  Yeah.
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  Now, is this all because of the climate scare?
• 4:08
  Is that is that what's driving their energy policy?
• 4:11
  Absolutely.
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  They're their pursuit of net zero at all costs, and um kind of the the big lie, the people there are realizing it because we've all heard the big lie, and that's still going on right now, is that wind and solar are cheaper, they're cheaper, you know, but everywhere they're added to electric bills, the prices go up.
• 4:30
  And it's pretty easy to understand.
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  A lot of this, if you have even a modicum of critical thinking, you can understand why.
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  And the best way I have it to make it for regular people and me and others to understand it is is you you got a couple cars and they're working for your family, they're gas cars, and now you add a part-time car, say one that works like solar panels, only when the sun shines, and if it gets dark, it uh it stops working.
• 4:53
  Well, you find out you can't replace either of your your reliable gas cars because well, people in the family really need them.
• 4:59
  So now you're paying for three cars.
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  And their answer is is keep adding part-time cars.
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  Uh you know, then get a wind car that works only when the wind blows, and you find that's even worse than the solar car.
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  So now you're paying for four cars.
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  And then it gets worse, is because you can't park those new cars out on the street.
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  You've got to build a uh garage and driveway space for them too, just like you have to buy build transmission wires and batteries to back them up.
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  And we don't need batteries on our electric grid if we didn't have wind and solar.
• 5:28
  If we had no wind and solar, we wouldn't need any batteries.
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  And all of that has cost.
• 5:34
  Yeah, and I heard that some of the insurance companies are saying you can't park your EV indoors in a garage because of fire hazard.
• 5:42
  But if you don't park it indoors in Ottawa, Canada, it won't work because it's too cold.
• 5:49
  Yeah, and that's another another part we're finding.
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  There are some ferries in um Norway who's all in on the EVs, but the the ferries working there are don't they prohibit them uh on the vehicle because they're they're concerned about that fire risk.
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  And they had a big fire in uh South Korea in an apartment complex where a EV caught caught fire in the apartment complex parking lot and wrecked about 40 cars.
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  Uh, 200 people had to leave the apartments, because it it's toxic smoke.
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  It's it's very bad for your health and environment, and it's very hard to put out.
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  Those lithium batteries, once they get started, are really super hard to put out and can burn for days.
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  And um they so they're they're looking at rules of prohibiting EVs from being in parking garages because EVs have that big battery that adds another thousand or fifteen hundred pounds to them.
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  Uh they're they're a lot heavier than regular cars, they wear out our roads faster.
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  And parking garages, imagine a big parking garage that has 500 or 1,000 cars in it, or even one with 200 cars in it.
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  If all those cars were EVs, that parking garage was not designed to have all of that weight on it.
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  On it.
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  So if it doesn't break or collapse uh itself, it will it it'll wear out faster and have to be required.
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  So if it doesn't break or collapse itself, it will it'll wear out faster and have to be reposed.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  That's interesting, Frank.
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  That's interesting, Frank.
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  So do you think they'll start charging heavy road taxes for EVs?
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  So do you think they'll start charging heavy road taxes for EVs?
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  Because normally when you buy gasoline, of course, you pay a lot of tax, which goes to repairing the roads.
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  Because normally when you buy gasoline, of course, you pay a lot of tax, which goes to repairing the roads.
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  And these EVs, they wouldn't be paying gasoline tax.
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  And these EVs, they wouldn't be paying gasoline tax, so are they going to hit them with a road tax?
• 7:22
  So are they going to hit them with a road tax?
• 7:25
  Well, that's happening here in the States.
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  Well, that's happening here in the States.
• 7:27
  Some some and I think Wisconsin has it now, but.
• 7:27
  Some and I think Wisconsin has it now, but many of them are getting past the idea.
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  And by the way, people like good world roads.
• 7:34
  I like good roads.
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  I like safe, I like safe bridges.
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  Um, I don't like potholes.
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  And um they're getting to the point now, instead of going, oh, EVs at any cost.
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  And by the way, people who buy EVs generally are better off.
• 7:48
  So you're kind of having poor people subsidize better off people uh on the whole EV thing.
• 7:53
  So our state, I believe, has upped the registration fee, an additional 150 dollars for EVs for the road uh in lieu of gas taxes that we're all paying when we buy gas.
• 8:04
  Um so and they're also kind of looking at one is this is a backdoor, and some states have talked about just switching from a gas tax to a mileage tax.
• 8:13
  So when you register your vehicle, every month you have to pay money that you on your estimated mileage, and at the end of the year you have to report to the state how many miles you've driven and then pay them the difference.
• 8:24
  For EVs, that would make sense because you know, for gas-powered cars, you don't need it because you just pay every time you fill up.
• 8:30
  It certainly would, and it certainly would.
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  And and um, you know, we need roads to we need we need to have the money to pay for good roads, and if we had a lot of EVs, they have to pay for their fair share, and they wear out the roads faster.
• 8:44
  Yeah, paying higher gas taxes or higher road taxes than than the rest of us.
• 8:49
  Yeah, yeah.
• 8:50
  It's interesting.
• 8:50
  We have a kerosene backup heater, so that when the power goes out, we can start it up.
• 8:55
  And it's very clean burning.
• 8:57
  So, I mean, are they really charging a carbon tax on kerosene?
• 9:01
  They're charging a carbon tax on all fossil fuels in Europe.
• 9:05
  Um, and coal, they've tried to put coal completely out of business.
• 9:08
  And the United Kingdom is so crazy that they have switched their their one of their primaries, 10 to 15 percent of their electricity from coal to wood pellets.
• 9:19
  So lovely.
• 9:20
  They they have in the United States and Canada, we have a nice business going where we cut down 36.
• 9:25
  Listen, this 36 million trees, pelletize them, ship them across the ocean so they can burn it and call it green instead of taking coal right out of the ground in the United Kingdom and burning it right there.
• 9:41
  And the facts don't support it.
• 9:43
  I mean, when you look at the facts on wood burning, it burns dirtier and it has less energy for the same volume.
• 9:49
  Um, all in claiming that's green in renewable nuttiness.
• 9:53
  So that 36 million trees, is that every year?
• 9:56
  That's annual.
• 9:57
  That's annual.
• 9:58
  Holy smokes.
• 9:59
  You know, it's interesting, Frank.
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  Over the course of energy evolution, we've seen us moving from less dense, like wind and and uh water power and to more and more dense sources of fuel.
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  But this is going backwards, isn't it?
• 10:14
  Yeah, this is this is going backwards.
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  It's relying on things.
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  Windmills uh have been around forever, heating things with the sun or drying food with the sun has been around for forever.
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  And this is really a big step backwards.
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  And the reason is is and why fossil fuels are so popular, and they provide almost 87% of the world's primary energy.
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  And people often forget, and we all are arguing about electricity.
• 10:37
  Electricity is secondary energy, it has to be made from something else.
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  So how you make that is is very important.
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  And in the United States, most of it's still made with fossil fuels, uh, primarily uh oil, natural gas, natural gas, and coal and some oil when they really need it, and that's expensive.
• 10:58
  So these policies are in the fooling us is is changing 87% of your fuel.
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  It's kind of like another analogy would be is whatever your diet is, if you decide you're gonna change your diet, and 87% of it was one particular thing, um, say it was fruits and vegetables or say it was meat, and they're saying, no, you have to switch to the other fuel, but it you gotta eat five times more of it, literally take five to ten times more land, and we don't have enough of it, but we're gonna phase out your primary food before we've even lined up the supply for your other food.
• 11:36
  Really goofy.
• 11:37
  Yeah, yeah, you're gonna be hungry, that's for sure.
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  And that actually strikes me is you know, a little later I was gonna ask you, where do you see Europe going in the future if they keep this up?
• 11:48
  Well, unless there's a rising movement on the right in Europe, but they are brainwashed.
• 11:53
  That's the other part that we forget about.
• 11:55
  Well, and up in Canada, you're getting it too, because the government pays the reporters and pays your news.
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  So you're getting the government standard line, and in in Europe, they've been brainwashed, and um the vast majority of people believe whatever their media is telling them.
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  They have no alternative media.
• 12:12
  They're trying to shut down X and the availability of X, one of the free market large tech platforms that also pressures the other ones to be free market as well.
• 12:21
  And I guess freedom of speech, I should say, not free market, but freedom of speech to say whatever you want and provide alternative facts.
• 12:28
  But when they're telling Europeans that you've got to do this or the world's gonna burn up, there's nobody telling them alternative facts like we do.
• 12:35
  Um, and these are facts, folks.
• 12:37
  Things like wildfires are going down.
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  All they hear is the prop propaganda that wildfires are increasing because of climate change.
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  When in fact they're down by 25%.
• 12:46
  Um some of us are getting that that information out there to people like we're doing right now, but they don't have any of this in Europe.
• 12:53
  So many of them, except for the Eastern Europeans who lived under communism in the boot of communism and had really bad uh economies for decades and decades and suffered, uh they they're they get it, but the Western Europeans they're sold on it.
• 13:08
  But there is a rising um group of of um parties that are gaining power, and there's got to be a switch that happens.
• 13:16
  And I think people in the United Kingdom are are getting really tired of all of this stuff.
• 13:21
  Um, and they they may get new governments.
• 13:23
  If they don't get new governments, nothing is gonna change there and they're gonna keep going down the path they're going on.
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  Although they're they're stopping a little bit and they're trying to negotiate because in Ireland, for instance, they've just gone through a period and it's still happening where farmers and truckers and regular people are flooding the streets.
• 13:40
  They've surrounded, they're not being violent, but they've surrounded the only oil refinery in Ireland and not letting any oil out.
• 13:48
  They're saying, you know, we're gonna bring this, they're gonna bring this state, this country to its knees unless you give us something, because we can't afford higher and higher energy prices.
• 13:59
  And not only when you have high energy prices, double ours, everything costs more because everything has energy in it, and then you have less money to spend on everything that costs more.
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  Only when you have high energy prices, double ours.
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  Everything costs more because everything has energy in it.
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  And then you have less money to spend on everything that costs more.
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  So it really causes poverty, energy poverty is really horrendous.
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  So it really causes uh poverty, uh, energy poverty is is really horrendous.
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  It's affecting more people.
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  It's affecting more people, and the poorest people get subsidized by the government, and then the middle class and the poorer middle class don't.
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  And the poorest people get subsidized by the government.
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  And then the middle class and the poorer middle class don't.
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  And it really harms them.
• 14:22
  And it really harms them.
• 14:24
  Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  And all this is driven by this ridiculous idea that we can somehow magically control the climate.
• 14:24
  And all this is driven by this ridiculous idea that we can somehow magically control the climate, you know.
• 14:31
  And you know, it's interesting because if that were true, then presumably the biggest emitters, well, the biggest is China, but they're not really held to any limits, are they?
• 14:41
  Nobody wants, you know, nobody on the whole net zero scam thing really wants to um talk about China or India.
• 14:49
  And the world uses almost and it's growing every year.
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  So as much as they propagandize us, the use of coal, oil, and natural gas are growing every single year.
• 15:01
  And they um China uses more than half of the almost 9 billion tons of coal used every year.
• 15:08
  Wow.
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  They are building literally hundreds of coal plants.
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  They get 57% of their primary energy from coal.
• 15:17
  And uh India gets 75% of their electricity from coal.
• 15:21
  India's building hundreds of coal plants that last at least 40 years, and they intend to use these, so they're growing their coal, they're making all this stuff for us, particularly China, with coal power, but we won't talk about that.
• 15:35
  And we'll make our energy prices so high that, like in England, they're closing down all of their uh steelmaking.
• 15:43
  So that steelmaking is going to be made in China with coal, um, but and then shipped to them.
• 15:50
  And Germans have, because of this and their high energy prices, they've had layoffs of 250,000 uh workers in Germany in their manufacturing sector.
• 16:02
  250,000 in the last few years, and more are coming, and more are coming.
• 16:06
  Well, I think we've made a huge mistake in Canada closing down so many of our coal stations.
• 16:11
  And I'll give you an example.
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  In Ontario back in 2002, we had about 25% of our electricity came from coal.
• 16:19
  Most of the rest of it comes from nuclear.
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  And um, they decided to close it all down.
• 16:24
  It's now zero percent.
• 16:25
  And depending on the time frame you look at, our electricity prices have either either doubled or tripled.
• 16:32
  Yeah, yeah, it's a 200% rise.
• 16:35
  And it's largely because we got rid of the least expensive energy source.
• 16:38
  It strikes me, Frank, that assuming you're using the latest pollution control, I don't mean CO2 control, coal is a great energy source.
• 16:46
  You keep it piled up on site, it's surely very secure.
• 16:49
  Yeah, coal, we should keep coal as part of our electricity mix, and we should use it.
• 16:54
  And people don't know that in the United States, it's probably down to about 30%.
• 16:58
  But just a few years ago it was 50% of the drywall for home building and uh apartment building came from the solids from the clean coal technology, the cypher, the sulfur that gets scrubbed out of it.
• 17:11
  Because when it comes out, it it's really very, very clean.
• 17:14
  They take out like 99.9% of all the solids, and um, you know, CO2 is plant food.
• 17:21
  We're exhaling it right now while we talk.
• 17:23
  Uh we need to inhale a little bit of CO2 or we'll die.
• 17:26
  It's part of the circle of life.
• 17:28
  If you watch the Lion King with your green kids, um it's part of the circle of life, and more of it greens the world and increases crop harvest and yields, which are growing by the way, exponentially, folks.
• 17:40
  Crop harvests, the amount that's totally uh of virtually all food crops is growing in the world, or regardless again, that propaganda.
• 17:47
  A couple years ago, oh, coffee's going through the roof because climate change.
• 17:50
  Well, now the prices have collapsed because there's a glut of coffee on the market.
• 17:54
  Uh but well, then we won't talk about the glut of coffee on the market, you know.
• 17:58
  And the next crop that is in a cyclical downturn for a couple of years or two or has some kind of climate issue for a day, you know, a year or two, uh, you know, they blame it on climate change, and that's all they tell you, they never tell you it recovers again.
• 18:11
  Um, it's it's incredible what they do with this, and so many people have bought into it, and the fact that hey, uh of all places in Canada, and I live in Wisconsin, so we're almost Canada, and I almost have Canadian accent.
• 18:26
  Um is warmers better.
• 18:29
  Shh winters and milder winters are it's better.
• 18:33
  I know, I know.
• 18:34
  It's funny, 40% of Canada is north of 60 degrees uh latitude, and that's actually the area that's warming the fastest, and it's at night in the winter.
• 18:44
  Okay, and you say, Well, are there very many plants and animals that would care if it was minus 55 instead of minus 60?
• 18:52
  You know, like I mean, it who cares if the northern Canada warms up a bit in the winter, that's a good thing.
• 18:58
  Oh my goodness, yeah.
• 18:59
  And and factually, you know, as as we know, and there's reports out uh somebody's done some in-depth studying of it again, is we actually have a milder climate.
• 19:08
  They've been telling us it's hotter in the summers, it's not hotter, it's not even as hot.
• 19:12
  And and I know this from from my experience, and and I'm old enough to remember when I was a kid, we would have summer days that were in the 90s.
• 19:20
  We could count on a week or two or three of July and August weather, and I remember it because we didn't have air conditioning back then, it was hot.
• 19:27
  Well, I I can't really remember 90 degree days here.
• 19:30
  We get in the 80s, and then the other part of it is is at night, um, our nighttime temperatures don't drop as low.
• 19:36
  So you average a not as high during the day with not as low at night, and you got a warmer day.
• 19:41
  Yeah.
• 19:42
  And they kind of they do the same thing with the annual year.
• 19:45
  You look at the year and you go, Well, your winter was milder, it didn't get as cold at night.
• 19:49
  Uh your summer wasn't as hot either, but you add them together, and it was a warmer year, not a hotter year, it was a milder year.
• 19:58
  Well, I see with Ottawa, Canada, which is one of the coldest capital cities in the world, actually, you're right.
• 20:03
  Our maximum temperatures have not changed, but it's a little less cold in the winter, a little less cold at night.
• 20:10
  Um, and and you say, Well, fine, you know, so I just want to change topics quickly.
• 20:15
  I mean, how has how is the closing of the Strait of Hormuz, if that's how you pronounce it, affected fuel prices across Europe and uh in Ireland in particular, because do they get a lot of their fuel from the Persian Gulf in Europe?
• 20:29
  Um, they they get a fair amount.
• 20:31
  Um, I don't know the numbers offhand, but I would guess it's 20, 30 percent, 40 percent maybe they're still getting you know, Russian fuel, they're getting North Shield, so North Shore oil from the Norwegians, um, you know, feeding feeding them.
• 20:46
  Um, but it would oil is a worldwide commodity, and what really helped me understand that was it was a paper about in the 70s when they had a a um we had big oil shortage.
• 20:56
  I mean, they had the oil embargo back in the 70s, and this is not as bad as that, uh, although they claim it is, and um they had North Shore oil that was owned by the government in the United Kingdom, so they were thinking they would have a really great great thing, cheap oil for the United Kingdom, it would help their economy, it would help their people.
• 21:00
  Although they claim it is.
• 21:02
  And they had North Shore Oil that was owned by the government in the United Kingdom.
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  So they were thinking they would have a really great great thing, cheap oil for the United Kingdom.
• 21:11
  It would help their economy, it would help their people.
• 21:13
  How the things have changed since then.
• 21:13
  How the how things have changed since then, and what they found out was is that it's a worldwide commodity.
• 21:15
  And what they found out was is that it's a worldwide commodity.
• 21:19
  So while it was cheaper and the government sold it cheap in the United Kingdom, uh there were shortages there because people would buy the cheap oil they were selling and the cheap gasoline they were selling and ship it to the continent to get high.
• 21:19
  So while it was cheaper and the government sold it cheap in the United Kingdom, uh there were shortages there because people would buy the cheap oil they were selling and the cheap gasoline they were selling and ship it to the continent to get higher prices and make money on it.
• 21:32
  So it it sort of uh flattens out.
• 21:35
  Um LNG is also there's a significant amount that comes through the Strait of Hermuz and LNG and the United States has plenty of that and we're exporting it and our export market is growing, but we're paying a lot less because uh natural gas has to come out of the ground, get in a pipe and get delivered and then use.
• 21:53
  There's no storage of it because you need huge volumes to store it.
• 21:57
  So uh we're insulated because we can only export so much, we can produce more of it, but our it isn't harming our our you know, our prices are up a little bit, but in Europe their prices are up a lot, and you you're thinking in the Netherlands, they're closing down.
• 22:13
  I think they've actually closed it down.
• 22:14
  Their natural gas harvesting that they've had going on for decades in the Netherlands for climate reasons.
• 22:20
  They didn't stop using natural gas, they just stopped harvesting it in the Netherlands.
• 22:25
  Yeah, it's for sure.
• 22:27
  You know, one issue I wanted to focus on that you brought up, and that is that there's a world market for oil and natural gas for that matter.
• 22:35
  And so even though countries like the United States and Canada wouldn't get a lot of our natural gas and oil from the Persian Gulf, we're affected too, aren't we?
• 22:44
  We certainly are.
• 22:45
  Uh, because when the price goes up and there's a shortage anywhere, um, those people who are in a shortage go out and try to buy it from other places.
• 22:52
  Now they might have to pay higher prices in Asia because Asia is very dependent on the Middle East oil in the Strait of Hermuz oil.
• 23:00
  I mean, they get the vast majority of it.
• 23:02
  And China was buying the vast majority of the Iranian oil, and they were getting it at a deal because it was sanctioned and they were sneaking it.
• 23:09
  And sanction means really it's illegal for them to sell it, but they were selling it, and um, they were getting a 25% discount.
• 23:16
  So they were getting millions of barrels a day, and that's the other thing people don't understand.
• 23:20
  Is we're the world was using about 105 million barrels of oil a day.
• 23:26
  And a barrel of oil has 42 gallons in it.
• 23:29
  So we use huge amounts of oil, and that's every day, billions every year.
• 23:35
  And um, you know, when there's a shortage in one place, they're willing to pay more to get it, and that drives the price up everywhere.
• 23:42
  Now, are there any U.S.
• 23:44
  states that are following Europe's lead on this?
• 23:46
  Because I know the United States as a whole is not, but are there individual jurisdictions that are?
• 23:52
  Well, absolutely there are.
• 23:53
  There's the Northeast, which has very high electricity prices, some of the highest in the in the country, and they're all in on this.
• 24:01
  Although the governor of New York, who's going to be up for election, I think, next year, um, or maybe this year is backing off the climate change because she said she admits it's too expensive.
• 24:11
  I mean, they've been telling us it's not it's cheaper, but she admits it's too expensive.
• 24:15
  Uh and I'm sure she'll go right back again after she gets elected.
• 24:19
  But she wants to get elected, and people are feeling the pinch in their pockets for higher energy prices.
• 24:23
  And California is a poster child of this.
• 24:25
  Uh they've they have energy prices that are double the national average, which is about 15, 16 cents a kilowatt hour or a kilowatt.
• 24:34
  And um the they're about double, and they continue to add more wind and solar.
• 24:40
  They have a they have two million rooftop solar panels in Canada uh in California, and they're um required on every home, uh, unless you you can get an exemption for not enough sun or oh wow, too small of a property or something like that.
• 24:55
  But otherwise, all new homes in California um require rooftop solar.
• 25:00
  Ah, wow, that's crazy.
• 25:02
  You know, and it's not very efficient.
• 25:04
  I mean, we have a hundred and two-pound lithium battery that my daughter bought for um security reasons, but you have to charge it somehow.
• 25:11
  So we oh well, I buy solar panels.
• 25:14
  So we bought solar panels that were, I don't know, about five feet by about nine feet, two of them, and it takes like three days to charge up the battery.
• 25:23
  You have to have your old back, you have to have your whole backyard covered with solar panels to actually you know charge it in a few hours.
• 25:30
  And if you use it, you have to, if you use that electricity in that battery, you have to charge it up again.
• 25:35
  And then the other thing about batteries is that really if you want it to last longer than the estimated life of 10 years, if you want to last longer than 10 years, you're not supposed to fill it more than 80% or drain it more than 20%.
• 25:50
  So I'll check that.
• 25:51
  Keep it in that 80-20% filled area all the time.
• 25:56
  And um, if you want it to last a really as long as it possibly can, because they lose their charge their ability to charge over time.
• 26:04
  So you're you're you you might have half the battery you did 15 years from now or a quarter of it.
• 26:10
  Um and that's an underlying problem as well with the battery technology because they're expensive, and then you've got to replace them again, just like your car batteries wear out, you you've got to buy another one.
• 26:20
  Uh, they they wear out as well.
• 26:22
  I I will say one thing, though.
• 26:23
  As I say, my daughter bought it, and I can't remember, it was thousands of dollars, but it's great for my trailer because I have a remote campsite where they don't have electricity, so I can lug it out there.
• 26:34
  It's 102 pounds, as I said, uh, so it's not easy.
• 26:37
  I usually leave it in my truck, and then I just have a wire going to my trailer, you know.
• 26:41
  So it so you know it solar power and wind power and you know, uh batteries, they can be they can be okay to use when you're off the grid.
• 26:50
  But the whole idea that you're gonna replace the grid, that's really nuts, isn't it?
• 26:55
  It's absolutely nuts.
• 26:56
  And you're you're you're right.
• 26:57
  I mean, as much as we're talking about it, and people might think that I'm negative on wind and solar.
• 27:02
  I I'm not, I'm agnostic on wind and solar.
• 27:05
  I don't think it should be subsidized, and I don't I don't believe like you that it should be added to our electric grid, just like I wouldn't go out and buy an unreliable part-time car.
• 27:14
  I mean, why wouldn't I do it?
• 27:15
  Because it's not my economic best interest.
• 27:17
  I wouldn't buy two or three or four of them.
• 27:19
  I wouldn't buy uh then buy a battery to stick in that unreliable car on top of the cost of the car.
• 27:25
  I mean, that that's what this lends itself to.
• 27:28
  So you end up paying double.
• 27:29
  We pay for the part-time system and then the full-time system to keep it going.
• 27:34
  And the part-time system is even more expensive than the full-time system, even with the fuel costs, it's far more expensive.
• 27:41
  And we've been propagandized on you know, the climate side that we've been told so much that's just outright false.
• 27:48
  And we've also on the energy side been told so much that's outright false.
• 27:52
  But yet, in particular, Canada is marching down the road, California's marching down the net zero road, and in Europe's well down the road, and they are suffering for it.
• 28:00
  And they are suffering for it.
• 28:01
  Yeah, yeah, that's for sure.
• 28:01
  Yeah, yeah, that's for sure.
• 28:03
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• 28:04
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• 31:04
  So I'm back with Frank Lissay, and we're having a great discussion about the reality of climate and energy.
• 31:09
  And he actually is a champion for climate and energy truth.
• 31:13
  So Frank, when we look at the all the different green tools with talking about things like carbon taxes, and maybe you can define what it is, because it we've been talking about it, but you'll have to know a little more about it.
• 31:24
  Carbon pricing, cap and trade, net zero.
• 31:26
  So first of all, can you tell us what exactly is carbon taxes?
• 31:31
  And it's not really carbon, as you said.
• 31:33
  How does that work?
• 31:34
  Well, what they're doing is taxing the the amount of CO2 that's released with any product that's being used or anything.
• 31:42
  And virtually everything we do, including the food we eat, uh releases CO2.
• 31:46
  That's why that's why the people chose, you know, the the the behind the scenes is a multi-layer, the the net zero, which means no CO2 released at all, or you gotta offset it with trying to pull CO2 out of the air, which is super expensive and hasn't really worked at giant scale that you'd really need.
• 32:03
  Um is that all that CO2 gets added up, and then they put a tax on it.
• 32:08
  So the more CO2 that something uses, you know, for instance, your your car, your gas car that gets better mileage.
• 32:15
  Well, you know, you use less gas, so you avoid some of that.
• 32:19
  And that gets built into everything, and then what they're doing, they're doing it in Canada, they're doing it in Europe.
• 32:24
  The United States doesn't some of the states have in effect, they have CO2 taxes, they don't call it that.
• 32:30
  California has a cap and trade.
• 32:32
  They call it a cap and invest pro uh process.
• 32:34
  There's Reggie, which is the Northeastern states, again, those ones that um, you know, from Pennsylvania, Virginia, Pennsylvania, all the way up to Maine, have called join this Reggie, they call it, which is really a cat they call it a cap and trade or cap and invest system where you where all their electricity is more expensive because they're paying into a uh fund that gets money.
• 32:55
  The the UN is really attempting because they're they're looking to get their own money, their own money source, and this is really bad.
• 33:01
  And thank goodness Trump stopped it here in the United States, but they want to have a uh a CO2 or a carbon tax on international shipping.
• 33:10
  So they splits money on billions of dollars, get their hands on billions of dollars, especially billions to begin with, but then it'll be hundreds of billions over time, of course, uh, because you know it's CO2 is bad, but they're looking for funding.
• 33:22
  And I have a simple answer that that Trump needs to push to put it all down, is the UN would have no more interest in that if the CO2 uh carbon tax went to the country that either it originated with or that bought the product.
• 33:36
  So instead of going to the UN and them getting the cash, maybe divide it.
• 33:40
  The country country that sent it and the country that buys it, they each get half of the CO2 tax, and they can do what they want with it to mitigate their problems with CO2 if they think they have them, or they could just keep the money and spend it.
• 33:51
  Then the UN won't want it anymore because they they can't get the cash.
• 33:55
  They don't get to dough.
• 33:56
  None of this is really about CO2.
• 33:58
  None of this is really about net zero.
• 34:01
  It's really about control, it's really about money, and it's really about what they the big financial interests, what they want to do is they want to create a huge multi-trillion dollar churning CO2 rationing carbon market uh cat cap and trade so that you can buy and sell these, so like credit cards, they can make two or three or four percent off of every single track set transaction, and they can get super wealthy while all of us pay higher prices for everything for no good purpose.
• 34:33
  That's what this is really really about, one part of it.
• 34:36
  Yeah, you know, it's interesting.
• 34:37
  I was reading that some um people who are specialized in agriculture say that in the future we may actually give a credit for emissions.
• 34:46
  With in other words, kind of a reverse carbon tax.
• 34:49
  The more CO2 you put out, the more credit you get, and the more you know income you get from the government for doing a valuable thing for society, namely putting out CO2.
• 34:59
  And in fact, you remember the um uh one of the founders of Greenpeace, Patrick Moore.
• 35:00
  You remember the um uh one of the founders of Greenpeace, Patrick Moore, he's on our board of directors.
• 35:04
  He's on our board of directors.
• 35:05
  He's been going around the country over the last few years, showing how CO2 has been dropping for tens of millions of years, and that it was headed down to a level at which plants would start to die, which was like around 150 parts per million.
• 35:05
  He's been going around the country over the last few years showing how CO2 has been dropping for tens of millions of years, and that it was headed down to a level at which plants would start to die, which was like around 150 parts per million.
• 35:19
  He said, Well, thank goodness we started releasing CO2 into the atmosphere.
• 35:19
  He said, Well, thank goodness we started releasing CO2 into the atmosphere.
• 35:23
  We've saved life on earth.
• 35:23
  We've saved life on Earth.
• 35:25
  Do you think he's exaggerating?
• 35:25
  Do you think he's exaggerating?
• 35:26
  Or do you would you agree with that?
• 35:26
  Or do you would you agree with that?
• 35:28
  Uh he is not.
• 35:28
  Uh he is not exaggerating at all.
• 35:32
  And most plants grow better at triple the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere we have now.
• 35:38
  It's a very tiny tiny trace gas.
• 35:40
  It truly is tiny tiny.
• 35:42
  It's not one percent, it's not a half a percent, it's not one tenth of a percent.
• 35:48
  It's 0.043 now of 0.043% of a tiny amount in the atmosphere, and people don't know that water vapor is the dominant greenhouse gas, and it's 50 times more abundant than water than what um than CO2.
• 36:06
  And here's the other one, they're all about regulating methane now.
• 36:10
  Water vapor is 11,000 times more abundant than methane, 11,000 times, and it's 60,000 times more abundant than nitrous oxide.
• 36:22
  The other thing that they want to regulate, because that's what fertilizer is is nitrous oxide.
• 36:27
  So they want to get after our food supply too.
• 36:30
  And both of those, they occupy the same IR absorption range.
• 36:34
  That's um the whole greenhouse theory, and it's a theory, folks.
• 36:38
  The whole greenhouse theory says the sun's light comes through largely unimpeded, it hits the earth, and then the earth re-radiates that warmth back out, and rather than it going out to super cold deep space really fast, it slows down because of the greenhouse effect, which is mainly water vapor, then CO2 and methane.
• 36:56
  And but the fact is is that in order to slow that um that energy, that light down, that heat down, it has to have it has to absorb it.
• 37:08
  Water vapor and methane and nitrous oxide all operate in the same and absorb the same IR um IR band.
• 37:17
  So what that means is is the each of those function like just an additional water vapor molecule.
• 37:23
  They're a little more powerful, a little more warm, a little more, but in fact, uh a molecule of methane is the 11,001 water vapor molecule, and it's 60,001 nitrous oxide.
• 37:35
  So it's so it isn't about the facts at all, folks.
• 37:37
  This stuff is crazy, and it's all about climate controllers and the climate cult because they want to control all of us with it.
• 37:44
  Yeah, and you know, William Happer, uh professor at Princeton University, he is a professor emeritus now.
• 37:50
  He actually shows with curves, you know, the actual infrared spectrum and the IR absorption and all that, that those three gases, carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, and methane are quite saturated.
• 38:02
  In other words, you can double, triple, quadruple the amount, and you're only getting a very small temperature rise.
• 38:07
  The analogy he uses is that it's like painting the side of a barn red.
• 38:12
  The first coat makes your barn red.
• 38:14
  The next coats are great for weathering, but they don't do much because you know, from a color point of view, because the barn's already red, it's saturated.
• 38:22
  And so he's saying that we could double, triple, quadruple CO2, methane, and nitrous oxide, and the impact is very small.
• 38:30
  Absolutely.
• 38:31
  And they're they're they're uh increasing at a very slow, slow rate.
• 38:36
  Yeah, both oxide and methane will take about 280 years to double, and they'll still be itzy bitsy tiny parts of the atmosphere.
• 38:46
  Yeah, exactly.
• 38:47
  CO2 will take about 200 years to double at the present rates, and that still won't be enough for maximum plant growth.
• 38:56
  Right, we'll still have we'll still have to pump it into greenhouses because the plants the plants love it.
• 39:01
  You know, that's always what I say.
• 39:03
  Hey, if it's a toxic pollutant, then why are we pumping it into greenhouses?
• 39:08
  Because, like you say, it has more growth, and also the plants need less water.
• 39:12
  And I think you explained that in the last interview.
• 39:15
  Uh, maybe you can just sort of summarize that again for people who didn't hear your previous interview.
• 39:19
  Why is it that we can grow plants now in drier areas?
• 39:23
  Well, it that's another great thing about this is that when there's more CO2 in the atmosphere, the plants have little breathing holes on them.
• 39:31
  They're called stomata, they're just little holes in the bottom of the leaves, and that's how they breathe and take in CO2, and they actually release CO2 at night and uh release oxygen during the day, which we all needed, the whole world needs to breathe.
• 39:44
  And that's how it works.
• 39:45
  And when when there's more CO2, they have less little stomata, little breathing holes, and therefore they return their they retain their water better and they tolerate heat much better.
• 39:55
  So they tolerate heat and drought much better with more CO2, so they grow far better.
• 40:02
  And many of us have been in uh greenhouses to buy flowers and plants, and they pump it in there, and there's no problem with it.
• 40:10
  And sailors on submarines go down under the water for months at 3,500 to 5,000 parts per million, and and again, in the atmosphere, we have about 430 parts per million in the atmosphere.
• 40:23
  So they go down and breathe for months, 10 times as much as we have, and we don't want that much in the atmosphere, but 800, 1200, even up to 2,000 would be really good for the earth, and we'd be far greener.
• 40:37
  And we're actually reclaiming parts of the desert.
• 40:40
  I mean, they're working on it, but they're also reclaiming it because plants grow better with less water and more and tolerate heat better because more CO2.
• 40:49
  Yeah, exactly.
• 40:50
  Now, could you tell us what is cap and trade?
• 40:52
  We hear that term quite often, but I don't quite know what it means.
• 40:56
  Can you tell us?
• 40:57
  Sure.
• 40:57
  Cap and trade is saying why they closed the coal plants down and made them uneconomical in Canada.
• 41:03
  And they did this elsewhere, and like Reggie makes coal plants and natural gas plants far more expensive, and it's a cap and trade system.
• 41:11
  So it says that this is the total amount of CO2 that can be released by every every under that umbrella.
• 41:18
  So whatever's included, it's let's say there's 10 10 10 uh coal plants and 10 natural gas plants and all under that umbrella.
• 41:25
  And then the idea is they say, okay, it's it's uh 100 tons.
• 41:29
  Well, next year it's gonna be 95 tons, and the following year it's gonna be 90 tons, and in 10 years, it's gonna be 50 tons.
• 41:38
  So all you guys under there, you figure it out how you're gonna come up with that.
• 41:42
  That's the cap.
• 41:44
  Now, the trade is they go, okay.
• 41:46
  Well, if we close our our coal plant because coal releases more CO2 than natural gas, we can trade those credits, so to speak, and sell it to the natural gas plants that have had their reduction, because the reduction is individual as well as aggregate.
• 42:00
  Their reduction, because the reduction is individual as well as aggregate.
• 42:04
  So everyone under the umbrella has to have five five tons less.
• 42:04
  So everyone under the umbrella has to have five five tons less.
• 42:08
  Um, but each individual has to have five percent less.
• 42:08
  Um, but each individual has to have five percent less.
• 42:12
  So to keep operating, those natural gas plants now have to buy trade.
• 42:12
  So to keep operating, those natural gas plants now have to buy trade, the trade is the word, but they have to buy those credits that be created by closing a coal plant, for instance, and then that makes the coal plant closing more economical because they can sell those credits.
• 42:18
  The trade is the word, but they have to buy those credits that be created by closing a coal plant, for instance.
• 42:24
  And then that makes the coal plant closing more economical because they can sell those credits while they're going out of business.
• 42:31
  Yeah.
• 42:32
  But in the meantime, they don't give us as reliable power.
• 42:35
  I mean, that's a that's a sacrifice that we're making for the whole system.
• 42:39
  Well, and we're all paying more more price for that.
• 42:42
  Everybody who's under that scheme, and it is a scheme, it's a scam and a scheme.
• 42:46
  Everybody who's under that scheme pays higher prices every year because um because of that cap and trade, and that's what they're doing in Europe right now in Ireland.
• 42:55
  That's what the Irish people are rising up against, is this kind of cap and trade thing, or it's just a form of a it's more of a complicated carbon tax.
• 43:04
  It doesn't sound sound like a carbon tax, but it's really just a carbon tax.
• 43:08
  But it's more of a forced free market carbon tax because the individual actors can then figure out whether they can afford to be in business or not.
• 43:16
  And if they close their business, they can sell credits as they go out of business.
• 43:20
  And then we all need our prices because there's yeah, and we get less reliable electricity, because now, in my example, if you were getting your electricity and you're under that umbrella with 10 coal plants and 10 natural gas plants, and they close five of the coal plants.
• 43:33
  Now you only have 15 plants providing electricity, and you need more of it because they're building data centers.
• 43:38
  But it sounds to me like this is going to be a bonanza for the financial middlemen, the people who actually coordinate the trades.
• 43:46
  I mean, surely this is going to be a boon for those kinds of companies.
• 43:50
  Well, absolutely, and all the complexity of it.
• 43:52
  I mean, that's the beauty of the cap and trade system and creates all kinds of complexity.
• 43:56
  So you need professionals to navigate it, and they all take two, three, four percent, and we all pay for that.
• 44:01
  For no good purpose, by the way.
• 44:03
  Remember, you know, just a reminder.
• 44:05
  The Chinese, uh, the communist Chinese bur burn more than half of than almost 9 billion tons of coal in the U.
• 44:13
  In the world, they're building hundreds of coal plants.
• 44:15
  They emit more real pollution and more CO2 than all industrial nations combined.
• 44:23
  The other 26 industrial nations combined, including India, the second biggest emitter of both real pollution and uh CO2, and they are building hundreds of coal plants as well as China.
• 44:35
  They've they China dwarfs all the rest.
• 44:38
  Yeah.
• 44:39
  So if you were really interested in reducing both pollution and CO2, you should want the very highly efficient clean plants in the West to continue operating, not transfer it to another country, a developing country in uh in the Far East where they're very inefficient, so they're going to put out more CO2.
• 44:57
  They don't care about the pollution.
• 44:58
  I mean, the net result is we lose jobs, and it hurts the environment more.
• 45:04
  You're absolutely correct.
• 45:05
  There's a great paper, and I think it's out of the University of Copenhagen, where I don't know if um Bjorn Lomberg, who's kind of a lukewarmer is, but he does really great way work on the economics of all of this net zero stuff.
• 45:17
  Um, and he says it's a bad idea, by the way, that we should spend our money more wisely on really helping real people.
• 45:22
  And by the way, um Bill Gates has changed his tune on this as too.
• 45:26
  He was all in on the net zero stuff, but now he's like, well, I think it's really we need a lot of power and natural gas is the only thing that can you know give it to our AI data centers.
• 45:36
  Um that I think that's the real reason.
• 45:38
  But now he said, you know, we should be spending money on real people with real problems and fighting poverty and getting energy to people instead of trying to limit it.
• 45:46
  These schemes just add more cost to everything that we do.
• 45:52
  And it hurt the environment more.
• 45:53
  That was at the University of Copenhagen.
• 45:56
  That study says that as Europe, as Europe clamps down on their CO2, they're exporting uh 65% of it.
• 46:04
  So if they reduce their CO2 by uh you know, a thousand tons, sixty-five percent of it pops up in in China, and the study really didn't then go into how much is added as they ship all that product product and everything back to Europe that they're gonna use, because that's the other part of that, and then the jobs and the poorer people that you have in Europe to buy the cheaper goods made with cheap energy in China instead of at home, with what used to be cheaper energy and now is much more expensive energy.
• 46:33
  Yeah, what a shame that our media are are bought and uh bought by at least in Canada, the Canadian government, because they don't tell us any of this stuff.
• 46:41
  So before we move on to this really loony conference that's happening in Colombia, would you conclude that all these tools, carbon taxes, carbon pricing, cap and trade, net zero, should they all be just dumped?
• 46:54
  They should all go in the trash heap of history, as the word says.
• 46:58
  They they you know, and unfortunately, we're in a mass delusion where the majority of people still do believe in this stuff, but polling in the United States is very, very clear, and I don't know they'd ever even ask that question in Canada.
• 47:10
  But you know, do you think climate change is a problem?
• 47:12
  Yes, should we do something about it?
• 47:14
  I think like 45% of the people said I'd be willing to pay a dollar a month on my electric bill.
• 47:20
  And then you say, well, what about 25% of it and only like 20% what about $25 a month?
• 47:25
  And yeah, only like 20, 30% say yes to that.
• 47:29
  What about $100 a month?
• 47:30
  People would be flabbergasted to know how much more we're paying for virtually everything because it's far more than $100 a month.
• 47:38
  Yeah.
• 47:39
  Yeah, I saw I saw a poll which showed that people spend more on popcorn than they're prepared to pay to stop climate change.
• 47:47
  But they have to anyway, because it's incorporated into so many of our products.
• 47:51
  Well, that's why they want to, that's why they want to hide it.
• 47:53
  I mean, if they put a search uh a climate change surcharge on everything, so like a sales tax, and you went and bought something and then it costs 20% more for the climate, people would be really upset.
• 48:03
  But if you like the VAT that they like to use in Europe, um, if you build it into the product, none of us really are understand that we don't know it, so we accept it, and there's nothing, there's a really strong, and there's nothing we can do about it unless we elect different politicians.
• 48:16
  But you know, when you have the media in the politician's pocket, pretty hard to change that.
• 48:21
  Yeah, I I really admire Trump, you know.
• 48:23
  I mean, I'm Canadian and supposedly all as Canadians hate Trump.
• 48:27
  But from the point of view of energy and climate, he's been a wonderful change, hasn't he?
• 48:33
  Oh, we would be, and if we had elected Kamala Harris, um you know, you and I might not be having this conversation.
• 48:41
  They they were working like Europe uh and Canada, totalitarians shut down all opposition, stop anybody saying for anything they don't like, only the government line, don't do any of this kind of stuff.
• 48:52
  I mean, and it keep going with all the crazy subsidies for wind and solar and uh jamming it on our electric grids, driving up our prices.
• 49:00
  Driving up our prices.
• 49:01
  I mean, world of difference, and our economy would be hurting.
• 49:01
  I mean, world of difference, and our economy would be hurting.
• 49:04
  We wouldn't have as much money in our pockets.
• 49:04
  We wouldn't have as much money in our pockets.
• 49:06
  I mean, instead, we're we're, you know, kind of reconquering the world.
• 49:06
  I mean, instead, we're we're, you know, kind of reconquering the world.
• 49:10
  We're getting rid of the dictator in Venezuela.
• 49:10
  We're getting rid of the dictator in Venezuela.
• 49:13
  Yeah, they have lots of oil there.
• 49:13
  Yeah, they have lots of oil there.
• 49:14
  Good for us.
• 49:14
  Good for us.
• 49:15
  We're getting rid of the dictator.
• 49:15
  We're getting rid of the dictator, um, you know, the the Islamic, the Islamic extreme.
• 49:16
  Um, you know, the the Islamic, the Islamic extreme.
• 49:20
  Well, they're all is Islam is a dangerous religion, and it it is dangerous religion.
• 49:20
  Well, they're all is Islam is a dangerous religion, and it is dangerous religion.
• 49:26
  It was established by a mass murderer who tried.
• 49:26
  It was established by a mass murderer, truly mass murderer.
• 49:30
  He killed thousands of people, some thousands personally, as well as led people against them who married a nine-year-old.
• 49:37
  Um, I mean, you think through that just a bit, but that that's the model for these people.
• 49:42
  And in Israel, death to America and death to Israel and death to literally all non-Moslims and even non-Shi' Muslims, is their mantra.
• 49:51
  And uh, you know, we're gonna put an end to that because we can because we afford it, and because Trump understands this, and you know, they're um Iran is losing about a billion dollars every three days, a billion dollars every three days of income they can't get, and their primary income source is exporting oil.
• 50:10
  So they're they're choked off.
• 50:12
  And the other thing that's happening, they're very close to doing this is they say oil wells have to be shut in.
• 50:17
  They they produce oil.
• 50:19
  Once you set it up and you got the pressure in it, they produce oil, produce oil, and you have to take that oil and put it someplace.
• 50:25
  Now with the blockade, their oil storage places are becoming full.
• 50:30
  They can't then fill it anymore like a balloon, it'll pop.
• 50:33
  So they have to shut in the oil wells and turn them off.
• 50:36
  And that's not that hard to turn them off.
• 50:39
  But to turn them back on after they've been shut off, some of the old wells will never come back online, and many of them will be very they take months and years to bring them back online, and it's gonna really hurt hurt them as they have to shut them in.
• 50:52
  Yeah, and they're not getting the money.
• 50:54
  So they're going broke.
• 50:56
  Yeah, it's a real shame, you know, because I have an Iranian doctor and one of our neighbors is Iranian.
• 51:01
  I mean, these are fine people, and they hate the mullahs and the the theocracy, you know, and and they know that it's destroying the country.
• 51:09
  But it's very hard when you have such a massive army in support of the theocracy, it's very hard for the people to actually successfully get rid of them.
• 51:18
  Well, and you're you're in danger of this in in Canada.
• 51:21
  That's why all the liberal fascists, all of the controllers want gun control and they want to take away the guns from the regular people.
• 51:29
  Because then, because in Iran, only from what I've read, internal polling, this is not external polling.
• 51:35
  Only about 10 to 20 percent of the people of Iran support the molas.
• 51:39
  I mean, they're all in.
• 51:40
  They they believe all of that and think it's good.
• 51:42
  80, let's just be conservative.
• 51:45
  70% of the people don't want that.
• 51:47
  If that's 70%, even half of them had guns, they'd take care of the rest because of that, but you know, only two or three percent actually work for the government and they have guns.
• 51:57
  I mean, so so they would be even if they were just hunting rifles and things, they'd be able to take care of this mess.
• 52:03
  But because they've been disarmed, then the government can do whatever they want to you.
• 52:08
  That's why the second amendment in the United States is so important, and every country in the world should have that.
• 52:14
  Yeah, and I understand that they've killed 40,000 protesters, and they're now proceeding with hangings and yeah, it's just we can get rid of that.
• 52:23
  Anyway, in the last uh couple of minutes, I just wanted to talk about this transitioning away from fossil fuels.
• 52:29
  And I just read you the intro, and I want to hear your opinion on this.
• 52:32
  Colombia and the Netherlands will host the first conference on transitioning away from fossil fuels.
• 52:38
  And it's on right now, as we do this interview until the 29th.
• 52:41
  The conference is designed as a space for countries, sub-national governments, and other stakeholders that recognize the imp the need to implement a transition away from fossil fuels in a just orderly and equitable manner, if that's even possible, in line with climate goals and the best available science.
• 53:00
  So, I mean, sadly, Canada is there and Canada is supporting it, which is ludicrous because we're by far the largest oil producer that's actually there.
• 53:08
  China, Russia, uh, the United States.
• 53:11
  I don't think India's there, I'm not sure.
• 53:13
  But I mean, what do you think of this whole sub-national uh group?
• 53:17
  I guess you call it that are actually trying to end fossil fuels.
• 53:21
  First of all, is it possible?
• 53:23
  But secondly, is it even a good objective?
• 53:26
  Well, fossil fuels produce uh provide us with 87% of the world's energy.
• 53:32
  Half the people of the world eat because of fossil fuel derived methane, natural gas with nitrogen out of the air, makes nitrogen fertilizers for all of us to use, and we want to get rid of it fast before they really even have another solution.
• 53:46
  And looking at the 50 countries that are there, about half of them are grifters.
• 53:51
  Half of them like the islands of Mildaves and Tuvalu.
• 53:56
  I might pronounce those a little bit wrong.
• 53:57
  Um, but these are but Pacific Islands they claim are sinking, but they're actually growing, but they claim they're sinking, so we owe them, and they're developing, they have more airports, they have more condos, they have more beach, and uh, we should actually pay them.
• 54:10
  But so they they have their hands out, and Colombia might be one of those with their hands out, and then you have some of the other crazy European countries that um but they're running out of money, they're going broke.
• 54:20
  I mean, and that's also some of the genius of Trump.
• 54:22
  Instead of letting NATO members, the Europeans free ride on Americans or Canadians for that matter, pay your own way to protect yourselves.
• 54:30
  So they have to pay for guns, and back in the you know, Vietnam War it was guns or butter.
• 54:34
  I mean, you can't have both, which is you know, you have a war or you have domestic policy.
• 54:39
  Well, you know, they were free riding, so they could do all this green garbage.
• 54:42
  This is uh some of the dumbest things ever.
• 54:44
  And you had sent me this ahead of time.
• 54:46
  So I went on their website, and it it reads like Kamala Hera talked.
• 54:51
  It's word selling.
• 54:52
  It's just uh here, I'll read you just a quick line about the conference.
• 54:56
  This process will be informed by experience and perspectives of national and subnational governments, academia, indigenous peoples, peoples of African descent, peasants, civil society, private sector, and other key actors at different stages of transition.
• 55:10
  Um my goodness.
• 55:14
  The conference will produce a report identifying, defying and enabling pathways for implementing a just, orderly, and equitable transition away from fossil fuels.
• 55:24
  Oh my goodness.
• 55:25
  These pathways will be organized around three thematic pillars that define the scope of the conference.
• 55:32
  It's just it's wonderful for academics, that's for sure.
• 55:36
  Not for real world people.
• 55:38
  Yeah, well, it gives a whole bunch of a few hundred people a chance to fly to Columbia this time on the government's dime from wherever they go and they can have a junket there and have a bunch of fun.
• 55:48
  Um, thank goodness the United States stopped stopped funding this from our perspective and aren't involved with the cops from the UN process either.
• 55:58
  Um the South Africans want to do really stupid energy policy like they have and let their coal plants go down the tubes and won't invest in new natural gas plants for the climate.
• 56:00
  Want to do really stupid energy policy like they have and let their coal plants go down the tubes and won't invest in new natural gas plants for the climate.
• 56:07
  Um, you know, and someday they'll get natural gas and coal and you know, natural, or I mean someday they'll get wind and solar.
• 56:07
  Um, you know, and someday they'll get natural gas and coal and you know, natural, or I mean, someday they'll get wind and solar, someday they say, um, you know, then you know, let them let them.
• 56:14
  Someday they say, um, you know, then you know, let them.
• 56:18
  Let them.
• 56:18
  Yeah, stop subsidizing them for being stupid.
• 56:18
  You should stop subsidizing them for being stupid.
• 56:21
  Yeah, it's a good way to end it.
• 56:21
  Yeah, it's a good way to end it.
• 56:23
  We should stop subsidizing them for being stupid.
• 56:23
  We should stop subsidizing them for being stupid.
• 56:26
  Yeah.
• 56:26
  Yeah.
• 56:27
  Well, this has been a great interview, Frank.
• 56:27
  Well, this has been a great interview, Frank.
• 56:29
  So my guest.
• 56:29
  So my guest today has been Frank Lesay.
• 56:32
  He's the head of truth and energyandclimate.com.
• 56:35
  Is that the website?
• 56:36
  Yes, it is.
• 56:37
  Okay, great.
• 56:38
  He's also the author of the book Climate and Energy Lies Expensive, Dangerous, and Destructive.
• 56:43
  So thanks so much for being my guest today, Frank.
• 56:46
  Oh, you are so welcome, and everyone, thanks for listening.
• 56:49
  Yeah, that's great.
• 56:50
  So, this is Tom Harrison, Frank Lessey signing out from the other side of the story.