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The Rita Panahi Show | 17 September · The Rita Panahi Show

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Speaker 1: On scorn lives Ostrodia.
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Speaker 2: This is the Wader Panety Show.
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Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the Rita Panety Show. Coming
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Speaker 3: up tonight, we have an absolute stellar lineup of guests.
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Speaker 3: Douglas Murray on President Trump's historic UK visit. Dave Ruben
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Speaker 3: tortures the hatefield Left attacking his friend Charlie Kirk. Army
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Speaker 3: Horowitz will have the latest from the US, and we'll
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Speaker 3: start by looking for the ABC's leftist activist journalists clash
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Speaker 3: with President Trump and left He's losing it features lies,
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Speaker 3: hysteria and hyperfole, lived.
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Speaker 4: In a good home, dad as a minister, also a
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Speaker 4: check Diddy.
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Speaker 3: But first, Donald Trump has unleashed on the ABC's American
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Speaker 3: editor and a virulin to anti Trumper John Lyons after
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Speaker 3: he attempted to bake the US President for a four
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Speaker 3: corners hit piece.
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Speaker 1: Appropriate President that a president in office should be engaged
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Speaker 1: in so much Piacere's activity. Well, I'm really not.
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Speaker 5: My kids are running the business and you know at
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Speaker 5: the activity. Where are you from.
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Speaker 6: I'm from the Australian Broadcasting Operation four corner probid, the Australias.
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Speaker 5: You're hurting Australia. In my opinion, you.
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Speaker 7: Are hurting Australia very much right now.
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Speaker 5: But they want to get along with me.
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Speaker 7: You know your leader is coming over to see me
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Speaker 7: very soon.
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Speaker 5: I'm going to tell them about you. You said a
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Speaker 5: very bad tone.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now for more on this, the Sky News
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Speaker 3: contributor Louise Roberts Louise Poetus made it clear there that
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister is finally going to be grand today
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Speaker 3: face to face meeting.
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Speaker 8: With the President. That could be as early as next week.
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Speaker 9: Hi read yes it It could be in the sidelines
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Speaker 9: of the UN Security Council meeting, or if not, it
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Speaker 9: could be the White House in Washington, maybe before mister
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Speaker 9: alban Eve's he travels to the UK to see Keir Starmer.
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Speaker 9: So it's interesting, of course that it was Trump that
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Speaker 9: actually announced this meeting. We haven't actually heard it from
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Speaker 9: the PM himself, which maybe might have been nice given
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Speaker 9: many of us wanted him to do everything possible to
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Speaker 9: build his relationship with the US President. But yes, certainly
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Speaker 9: it's good news that they are going to be in
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Speaker 9: the same room at some point to talk about we
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Speaker 9: hope tariffs and trade and Israel, Palestine and all the important,
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Speaker 9: critical things they should have been talking about well before. Now, well,
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Speaker 9: what do.
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Speaker 3: You make of the President's interaction with that ABC journalist?
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Speaker 3: Imagine if it costs the country a lesser trade deal.
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Speaker 8: I'm sure it won't.
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Speaker 3: But President Trump certainly wasn't happy with that line of questioning.
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Speaker 9: No, he was not happy with that line of questioning.
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Speaker 9: And mister Trump made it very clear that the business
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Speaker 9: dealings or any deals he did before the White House
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Speaker 9: were completed and his kids or his children actually run
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Speaker 9: the business now. But you know, John lyn is a
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Speaker 9: very experienced journalist. He would have known that pursuing that
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Speaker 9: line of questioning would have provoked a certain response, and
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Speaker 9: it was a prickly response. Whether, of course, the President's
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Speaker 9: going to dob him in to, you know, our prime
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Speaker 9: minister when they meet remains to be seen.
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Speaker 5: But certainly that was sort.
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Speaker 9: Of the idle threat there wasn't it. But I think
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Speaker 9: if they were looking for a bit of a gotcha
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Speaker 9: moment for their Four Corners documentary, that didn't quite hit
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Speaker 9: the mark, really did it. And also Trump his brand
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Speaker 9: is to push back on journalists in a way, it's
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Speaker 9: to push back and call out when he doesn't like
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Speaker 9: the questioning, Well.
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Speaker 3: It was a stupid question. So I'm not surprised by
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Speaker 3: that response. And the ABC has invested so much in
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Speaker 3: its TEDS related reporting, they still haven't apologized or done
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Speaker 3: any sort of meaningful correction about their Russian collusion pieces,
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Speaker 3: those ridiculous three part series that they put to air,
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Speaker 3: great cost of the taxpayer news, all of the debunked,
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Speaker 3: and yet they waste a taxpayer money putting that sort
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Speaker 3: of poor journalism to air. Now, it wasn't the only
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Speaker 3: interaction we've seen between the ABC and Conservatives today.
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Speaker 8: Afternoon briefing host Patricia.
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Speaker 3: Carvellis got pretty upset with Matt Canavan that we're discussing
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Speaker 3: migrants and crime yesterday.
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Speaker 10: Have you listened to this, Well, look, look at the
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Speaker 10: situation we're seeing in crime statistics in Melbourne. I mean,
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Speaker 10: I mean some of that is clearly linked in migrant communities,
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Speaker 10: so that are struggling to control the situation, the economic pressure.
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Speaker 2: Crime and metal.
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Speaker 3: She said a few things further there, but one of
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Speaker 3: the key points is you can't blame migrants for crime
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Speaker 3: in Melbourne.
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Speaker 8: But Louise, why can't we talk about the fact.
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Speaker 3: That there are some migrant groups who are dramatically overrepresented
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Speaker 3: in the crime stats. We've got some migrant groups that
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Speaker 3: are under represented, but certainly there is a significant overrepresentation
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Speaker 3: amongst some groups and that should not be a taboo
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Speaker 3: topic to discuss.
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Speaker 9: No, it should not be a taboo topic to discuss.
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Speaker 9: But if you discuss it, your xenophobic or racist, because
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Speaker 9: you're all saying is what was alleged to Matt Canavan,
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Speaker 9: and he never said this is that migrants are criminals,
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Speaker 9: and he never said that. He was trying to draw
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Speaker 9: a line between mass migration and pressure on society. He
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Speaker 9: wasn't going down the ethnicity route or anything like that
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Speaker 9: at all. So it's outrage that he was accused of that.
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Speaker 9: He's just trying to have an open discussion about its issue.
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Speaker 9: And as you say, machete crime is overrepresentative in those
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Speaker 9: sort of groups.
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Speaker 1: The stats are there.
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Speaker 9: The police will tell you that that there is a
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Speaker 9: gang problem and there is a machete problem in Melbourne.
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Speaker 9: But somehow the crime is to talk about this. It's insane.
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Speaker 3: The denial from the left is astonishing.
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Speaker 8: I don't know how many more, how much more.
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Speaker 3: Victoria's climbrate needs to get worse before they start actually
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Speaker 3: facing reality. Now, before you go, I want to play
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Speaker 3: you this clip from Liberal Senator Jane Hume.
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Speaker 8: She was on Sky News earlier and.
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Speaker 3: She said NED zero is a cornerstone of conservative politics.
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Speaker 9: Throughout the coalition, there is a commitment to reduce emissions,
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Speaker 9: and why shouldn't there be reducing emissions leaving a better environment.
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Speaker 8: It's a core pillar of conservative politics.
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Speaker 3: Louise, There's a plenty I could say about that, But
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Speaker 3: what's your response to what you've just heard.
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Speaker 9: Well, you know, Jame's a good operator, but I don't
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Speaker 9: know why she's doing the Labour's job and the Green's
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Speaker 9: job for them by sort of jumping in with that
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Speaker 9: camp and trying to appeal with inner city lefties who
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Speaker 9: are never going to vote liberal anyway. So the focus
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Speaker 9: should be on actually getting a legitimate climate policy, particularly
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Speaker 9: for the Liberal Party and the coalition, which I believe
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Speaker 9: now is probably going to end up being Dan Tayn's job.
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Speaker 9: But you know, Susan Lay doesn't have a policy, and
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Speaker 9: she doesn't have a way of actually getting this civil
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Speaker 9: war together where you've got Barnaby Joyce wanted to dump
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Speaker 9: the whole thing because he's on the side of the
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Speaker 9: regions and I have to agree with him there. And
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Speaker 9: then you've got other parts who were saying, oh, we
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Speaker 9: need to have a policy, because we need to have
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Speaker 9: a policy without actually thinking what the voters want.
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Speaker 3: They are absolutely at sea on this issue and so
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Speaker 3: many others.
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Speaker 8: Louise Roberts, thank you so much for your time. Good
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Speaker 8: to see joining me now.
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Speaker 3: Is the author of international best sellers, including The Strange
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Speaker 3: Death of Europe, The Madness of Crowds, The War on
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Speaker 3: the West, and his latest on democracies and death cults.
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Speaker 8: Douglas Murray.
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Speaker 3: Before we dive into today's issues, I last spoke to
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Speaker 3: you just a couple of hours after Charlie Kirk's murder.
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Speaker 8: How do you see his legacy?
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Speaker 3: He was only thirty one, but the impact he had
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Speaker 3: on politics, on campus culture and the wider culture was enormous.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it was. And there's been such an outpouring the
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Speaker 1: last week almost since his assassination that it just really
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Speaker 1: embeds that fact. The President, Donald Trump, Vice President Jeddy Vance,
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Speaker 1: and many others have been incredibly involved in the aftermath.
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Speaker 1: In the case of all of these people consoling Charlie
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Speaker 1: Kirk's widow and family and much more, and awarding him
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Speaker 1: posthumously the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Perhaps as importantly, they've also,
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Speaker 1: of course been I wouldn't say, demonstrations, more gatherings around
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Speaker 1: the world, across America, in London, as far afield as
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Speaker 1: South Korea of people paying tribute to Charlie Kirk, and
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Speaker 1: that's been an incredible thing to see, actually, a huge outpouring.
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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk said that when he was asked how he
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Speaker 1: wanted to be remembered, which is a rather scary thing
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Speaker 1: in hindsight to think that somebody just out of his
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Speaker 1: twenties was fairly often asked, he wanted to be remembered
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Speaker 1: for his faith, for his Christian faith. And it's really telling,
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Speaker 1: I think, and a fine tribute to him that the
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Speaker 1: people who have been gathering in tribute to him have
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Speaker 1: not done so in the sort of way that certain
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Speaker 1: sections of society do by causing businesses to have to
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Speaker 1: board up their shop windows and so on. No, very
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Speaker 1: far from it. They're gathering in prayer and in vigil
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Speaker 1: and that's really been an incredibly moving thing to see.
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Speaker 3: Now, Douglas, President Donald Trump has arrived in the UK
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Speaker 3: to meet with King Charles Is, who'll be spending the
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Speaker 3: night at Windsor before meeting Kirstarma at the Prime Minister's residence.
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Speaker 3: This is a historic visit, the first time a US
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Speaker 3: president has had two state visits to the UK while
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Speaker 3: in office, Douglas, There's going to be plenty of pomp
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Speaker 3: and pageantry. There will be further trade talk. What else
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Speaker 3: do you expect to.
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Speaker 8: See from this visit?
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Speaker 3: Will President Trump bring up those huge anti mass immigration
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Speaker 3: protests we've just seen in London.
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Speaker 1: It's possible. Will President Trump's been asked about this visit
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Speaker 1: and has stressed that it's really about the king in
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Speaker 1: the royal family, and that's clearly his own passion in
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Speaker 1: accepting this visit is his passion for the country of
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Speaker 1: his mother's birth and for the United Kingdom, and especially
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Speaker 1: for the monarchy. He has met Kirs Starmer, of course,
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Speaker 1: a number of times since coming back into office. It's
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Speaker 1: an uneasy relationship in lots of ways, and you can
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Speaker 1: see that Kir Starmer's politics really couldn't be further away
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Speaker 1: from those of President Trump. But on the other hand,
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Speaker 1: the UK needs good trade relations with the US. President
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Speaker 1: Trump and the Trump administration has been pretty generous so
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Speaker 1: far in that in those negotiations, and I would expect
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Speaker 1: it to go smoothly. And I would imagine given recent
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Speaker 1: events in America, maybe just maybe the domestic anti Trump
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Speaker 1: left in the UK might keep their usual sort of
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Speaker 1: rude protests down. Remember that last time President Trump went
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Speaker 1: to the UK, people like the Mayor of London, Sadi Khan,
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Speaker 1: tried to make it all about themselves, allowed protesters to,
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean within the law, but I mean,
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Speaker 1: you know, sort of insult the guests of the United Kingdom.
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Speaker 1: I imagine there might be a little bit less of
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Speaker 1: that this time. It's hard to say at the moment.
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Speaker 3: Well, on those protests across well London, certainly the crowd
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Speaker 3: number there was enormous, But these protests have been variously
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Speaker 3: described by the media as far right and extremist white nationalists.
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Speaker 3: But let's hear from a couple taking part to challenge
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Speaker 3: those narratives.
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Speaker 8: What's your name is way here today and that's Angel
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Speaker 8: my husband.
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Speaker 3: We want our children to be able to speak without
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Speaker 3: being prosecuted or being arrested.
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Speaker 1: We don' want them to have tweets on x or
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Speaker 1: anything else and being cimilized for courts.
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Speaker 2: I think everyone, you'll be able to speak.
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Speaker 3: And Douglas, let me play you the experience of this
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Speaker 3: next woman, a black woman in a hijab who attended
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Speaker 3: the march expecting to be abused.
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Speaker 11: I'm going to the September thirteenth protests and seeing how
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Speaker 11: many times I get.
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Speaker 8: Good to Africa.
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Speaker 3: Oh no, oh no, But let's see what actually happened
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Speaker 3: and what she had to say after.
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Speaker 11: I went to the Tommy Robinson protests on September thirteenth,
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Speaker 11: and it was fine.
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Speaker 1: I also went alone as well.
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Speaker 11: I met my friend like two hours later in central London,
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Speaker 11: but I was by myself and I went straight to
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Speaker 11: the belly of the beast and I saw nothing but
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Speaker 11: peaceful people, respectful people.
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Speaker 1: I was even interviewing them. I asked my last TikTok.
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Speaker 11: They're actually good people, and I knew I shouldn't have
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Speaker 11: been afraid.
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Speaker 8: I was never ever going to be afraid because I grew.
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Speaker 1: Up with English people. I grew up with white.
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Speaker 8: People, and they've been nothing but polite, respectful.
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Speaker 11: That's their culture, you know, politeness, pratisher, you know. The
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Speaker 11: issue is a lot of minority cultures for them have
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Speaker 11: become the predominant culture in areas of the UK like London, Liverpool, Manchester, Luton,
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Speaker 11: to the point that these towns and the city become unrecognizable.
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Speaker 3: Douglas, she gets a better than ninety five percent plus
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Speaker 3: of the media.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, good for her in one way. I
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Speaker 1: mean it's sort of absurd that in the country she
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Speaker 1: lives in she thinks there's a kind of belly of
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Speaker 1: the beast, which is a protest like this. Good for
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Speaker 1: her for acknowledging that she was wrong and was misjudging
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Speaker 1: her countrymen and women. It's an astonishing thing to see
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Speaker 1: this reta because Tommy Robinson's Unite the Kingdom protests gathered
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Speaker 1: a very large number of people in the center of London,
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Speaker 1: at least one hundred thousand, probably significantly more than that.
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Speaker 1: It's always hard to say with these protests, as always
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Speaker 1: say they're larger, and the police always say they're smaller.
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Speaker 1: But it was a very much more peaceful event than
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Speaker 1: any of the media I wanted to admit it might be,
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Speaker 1: or indeed in the end was. There were some arrests,
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Speaker 1: but infinitely fewer than let's say that great celebration of multicultural,
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Speaker 1: diverse London, the notting Hill Carnival, where there are always
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Speaker 1: dozens of arrests and you know, stabbings and sexual assaults
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Speaker 1: and so on. The Tommy Robinson United the Kingdom event
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Speaker 1: went off peacefully. It went off positively. I watched a
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Speaker 1: relay of of what happened from the stage. It wasn't
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Speaker 1: ending like a white supremacist, white nationalist thing. There was
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Speaker 1: a black gospel choir, there were some Maoris doing one
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Speaker 1: of the you know, the chants and haka, and it
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Speaker 1: was all very It was all very you know, good natured.
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Speaker 1: Some of the speakers talked about the things that clearly
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Speaker 1: are worrying my fellow Brits. I mean things like, yes,
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Speaker 1: the mass illegal migration, the fact that people who describe
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Speaker 1: themselves as white British are finding themselves to be a
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Speaker 1: minority in every major English city. That's that's that's a
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Speaker 1: big one. I mean, that's not like an imaginary fear.
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Speaker 1: That's that's just something that has actually happened without their
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Speaker 1: asking for it, in fact, asking for it not to
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Speaker 1: happen for you know, generations. Now, there was there was
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Speaker 1: a significant expression of concern about the rape gangs in
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Speaker 1: the north of England and did across all of England
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Speaker 1: and much more. But it was all actually, it was
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Speaker 1: very peaceable. And one of the things is striking about
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Speaker 1: it all reached it's not just a misrepresentation of it,
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Speaker 1: but the fact that it'd be actually very hard to
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Speaker 1: imagine Keir Starmer, for instance, being able to raise any
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Speaker 1: kind of mobilized, you know, group of people for a
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Speaker 1: positive celebration of Britishness in this way. There were bishops
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Speaker 1: of the Church of England who all came out to
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Speaker 1: condemn the event. But one of the things notable about
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Speaker 1: it was the prevalence of Christianity in it. There was
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Speaker 1: a bishop from a rather he set who opened with
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Speaker 1: a prayer, and there were there were calls for Christian
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Speaker 1: revival at the event, all which was very interesting. But
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Speaker 1: isn't it fascinating that, at this time when there's really
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Speaker 1: a need in Britain for a positive vision of the country,
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Speaker 1: for pride in the country, and much more so, much
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Speaker 1: of the politic, almost all of the political class, almost
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Speaker 1: all the media and everyone else doesn't doesn't want to
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Speaker 1: be a million miles of these people, and doesn't even
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Speaker 1: speak to these people. And good for that girl you
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Speaker 1: just showed for realizing that actually, if they did speak
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Speaker 1: to most of these people, they would realize they're not
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Speaker 1: some sort of you know, trolls. You can't approach you
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Speaker 1: a dangerous white supremacist, nationalist, nazi KKK, et cetera, et cetera.
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Speaker 1: They are decent people who want their country to revive
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Speaker 1: itself and not to fall into this appalling a desk
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Speaker 1: bond that it's currently in.
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Speaker 3: Now, I want to play you a clip from Nick Clegg.
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Speaker 3: He's accused America and the Trump administration of interfering in
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Speaker 3: elections in Europe, including the UK.
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Speaker 12: Have a listen, they interfere in other people's elections. They
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Speaker 12: interfered in the German elections. Must you know, supported the
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Speaker 12: a Fdvan met the AfD leader before he met Meutz.
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Speaker 12: Then chance that they're interfered in the Polish election. And
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Speaker 12: they're now inserting themselves into British politics. And if you
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Speaker 12: look at the way in which Tommy Robinson sort of
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Speaker 12: formed on Musk, look at the way in which Farage
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Speaker 12: fams about Trump, you know they're seeking to turn this
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Speaker 12: country into some little maga Britain.
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Speaker 3: Douglas he went on to say kiss Starma should warn
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump, but not to engage in this what he
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Speaker 3: calls extra territorial interference in our democratic culture.
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Speaker 8: What's your response to those claims?
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Speaker 1: I mean, Nick Clegg is accusing various Americans of inserting
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Speaker 1: themselves into politics, partly, perhaps because he inserted himself so
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Speaker 1: poorly into British politics. Nick Clegg was a hideous politician,
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Speaker 1: horrible politician, led the Liberal Democrat Party to one of
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Speaker 1: its most historic defeats. He was a woeful deputy prime
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Speaker 1: minister in a weak coalition government. He backtracked on all
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Speaker 1: of the promises he made on the election trail once
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Speaker 1: he was in office, and then ran off to Silicon
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Speaker 1: Valley to make some money, by the way, with a
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Speaker 1: company which is often itself accused of election interference. When
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Speaker 1: he says election interference, just everyone should bear in mind
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Speaker 1: just the examples he gave there. Elon Musk is no
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Speaker 1: longer involved in the Trump administration. He has every right
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Speaker 1: to speak to a protest in London which centered around
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Speaker 1: in part frequency, Nigel Faraj has a long standing relationship
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Speaker 1: with the President of the United States. Nigel Farach meeting
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Speaker 1: with the President of the United States. Is not some aberration.
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Speaker 1: Jd Vance speaking to a main opposition party in Germany
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Speaker 1: ahead of also speaking to the party of government is
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Speaker 1: not an aberration. That is sensible politics. And I'm afraid
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Speaker 1: that people like Nick Craig, they've had everything so much
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Speaker 1: their way, they themselves are used interfering in elections. They
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Speaker 1: themselves if you want to play it at that, you know,
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Speaker 1: and it's not like a conspiracy, the which just like
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Speaker 1: meeting up with other politicians who you know you should
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Speaker 1: meet and keep channels there. They've done that all their lives.
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Speaker 1: They're forever interfering if you want to call it that
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Speaker 1: in other countries politics. And I'm afraid that, you know,
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Speaker 1: this is just an example of the fact that there
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Speaker 1: are some people who can't bear it when they don't
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Speaker 1: have the reigns of power. And as I say, when
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Speaker 1: some of the smaller raigns of power, Nick Klegg exercised
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Speaker 1: them very poorly. But no, I mean this narrative it
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Speaker 1: always comes from this bit of the sort of soft,
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Speaker 1: squishy liberal elite, which is there are things that we
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Speaker 1: do which we're allowed to do, but you're not if
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Speaker 1: you're in power. When the boot's on the other foot,
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Speaker 1: you're allowed to do it. It's just not on.
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Speaker 8: It isn't.
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Speaker 3: And when he was at META it was the Global
21:36
Speaker 3: Affairs president.
21:38
Speaker 8: He played a part.
21:40
Speaker 3: In interfering with elections in a number of ways. So
21:44
Speaker 3: perhaps a bit of self reflection would be called for there,
21:47
Speaker 3: Douglas Murray, thank you so much for your time.
21:49
Speaker 8: Tonight, Still to come.
21:51
Speaker 3: Left is Losing It, plus the latest from the US
21:54
Speaker 3: as prosecutors seek the death penalty for the man accused
21:57
Speaker 3: of killing Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 8: Sorowitz has the details. You're watching the Rita Panehy Show,
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Speaker 8: and it's time for Left. He's losing it.
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Speaker 3: Let's start with some weapon of grade gas lighting from
22:19
Speaker 3: alleged comic Jimmy Kimmel. Here is the far left purveyor
22:23
Speaker 3: of late night disinformation engaging in some more disinformation, this
22:28
Speaker 3: time about his ideological bedfellow, Tyler Robinson.
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Speaker 13: We had some new.
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Speaker 14: Lows over the weekend with the Maga gang desperately trying
22:36
Speaker 14: to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything
22:40
Speaker 14: other than one of them, and everything they can to
22:43
Speaker 14: score political points from it.
22:45
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm sure the far left loser moaning about supposed
22:50
Speaker 3: fascists and obsessed with transactivism with a trans boyfriend is
22:55
Speaker 3: a closet Republican. According to Kimmel, I mean, let's just
22:58
Speaker 3: disregard officials telling us what his ideology is, and let's
23:02
Speaker 3: disregard the alleged killer's own words.
23:05
Speaker 8: But Jimmy Kimmel wasn't done yet.
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Speaker 3: He even mocked President Trump's grief for Charlie. Now, President
23:12
Speaker 3: Trump loved Charlie Kirk. Those close to him say he
23:17
Speaker 3: saw him as another son. But this is what Jimmy
23:20
Speaker 3: Kimmel had to say.
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Speaker 14: Is it not how an adult griefs the murder of
23:24
Speaker 14: somebody called a friend. This is how a four year
23:26
Speaker 14: old mourns a goldfish.
23:27
Speaker 3: Okay, how a four year old mourns a goldfish? You
23:32
Speaker 3: know what, I'd forgive the callous, hateful miss Griant if
23:37
Speaker 3: it was just a little bit funny.
23:39
Speaker 8: He is supposed to be a comic. Now, this next
23:41
Speaker 8: gal is.
23:42
Speaker 3: Supposed to be some sort of a model. She was
23:45
Speaker 3: a contestant on a show called America's Next Top.
23:48
Speaker 8: Model about Charlie Kirk. He l liked terrorism Hi for
23:58
Speaker 8: a name.
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Speaker 9: The only thing that went wrong that day was that
24:02
Speaker 9: Trump wasn't standing behind him getting a second hand bullet model.
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Speaker 3: She's as ugly on the inside as she is on
24:09
Speaker 3: the outside. That brings me to Jamel Hill, the former
24:13
Speaker 3: ESPN anchor, the race spacing simpleton who continues to lie
24:18
Speaker 3: and engage in deliberate misinformation. Listen to what she says
24:22
Speaker 3: about the man charged with murdering Charlie.
24:25
Speaker 15: In the wake of Charlie's murder, there was an incredible
24:32
Speaker 15: amount of angry discourse from the right, blaming the Democrats,
24:37
Speaker 15: blaming liberals, saying.
24:39
Speaker 8: You're the reason this happened.
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Speaker 4: Only to find out, surprise, twenty two year old white
24:45
Speaker 4: dude love guns, raised by two parents, lived in a
24:52
Speaker 4: good home. Dad as a minister, also a shriff. Didn't
24:57
Speaker 4: check it in them boxes, y'all thought even checked Diddy.
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Speaker 3: Well, he checked the boxes I expected him to check. Jamel,
25:03
Speaker 3: he's a far left transactivist lunatic who regurgitates the same
25:08
Speaker 3: bs you do. He claims Charlie was spreading hate because
25:13
Speaker 3: the Left called telling the truth hateful. His dad wasn't
25:17
Speaker 3: a sheriff, but he did appear to come from a
25:19
Speaker 3: decent family. Just shows that coming from a decent God
25:23
Speaker 3: fearing family isn't enough to inoculate a sick mind from
25:28
Speaker 3: toxic leftist indoctrination. And did Jamel really blame Republicans conservatives
25:34
Speaker 3: for angry discourse? I mean, how dare we be angry
25:38
Speaker 3: that a brilliant young man.
25:40
Speaker 8: Was murdered in front of his children?
25:42
Speaker 3: How dare we call out those celebrating this sickening act
25:47
Speaker 3: of domestic terrorism? And beyond guard for those who claim
25:51
Speaker 3: that this isn't a left or right issue, that this
25:54
Speaker 3: isn't political, that there isn't a clear motive, those are
25:59
Speaker 3: lies and not putting up with lies. We are not
26:02
Speaker 3: tolerating the left's bold face lies and gas lighting, including
26:07
Speaker 3: this from CBS.
26:09
Speaker 13: Five days after Charlie Kirk's murder. The shooter's motive remains elusive,
26:14
Speaker 13: no writings left behind, vague secondhand testimony that uncertainty and
26:18
Speaker 13: the risk of drawing sweeping conclusions suggests the murder may
26:22
Speaker 13: share similarities with recent violence not driven by an obvious
26:26
Speaker 13: political ideology, no.
26:28
Speaker 3: Clear ideology except Tyler Robinson told us precisely what his
26:33
Speaker 3: ideology is and why he targeted Charlie Kirk. There is
26:36
Speaker 3: zero mystery about the motives of Tyler Robinson or his
26:40
Speaker 3: political ideology. The only question is who else may have
26:44
Speaker 3: been involved. Now let's hear from the View. Here is
26:47
Speaker 3: Whoopy Goldberg offering some sober analysis. She looks almost disappointed
26:52
Speaker 3: that Charlie's message will only grow stronger. Remember it was
26:56
Speaker 3: just a few years ago that Woopy was forced to
26:59
Speaker 3: apologize to Turning Point USA for falsely linking Charlie's movement
27:04
Speaker 3: to neo Nazis. The ladies of the View have done
27:08
Speaker 3: plenty to incite the demented left.
27:11
Speaker 16: And what assassins should always remember is just because you
27:18
Speaker 16: take somebody out doesn't mean the message is going to stop,
27:24
Speaker 16: and it's important to keep that in mind.
27:27
Speaker 3: Now we've had plenty of examples of instant karma this
27:31
Speaker 3: week as hate field individuals have got their come up
27:34
Speaker 3: ands for celebrating a great man's assassination.
27:38
Speaker 8: And here is another example.
27:39
Speaker 3: This young man thought it was funny to turn up
27:42
Speaker 3: to a memorial at Texas State University and do this. Incredible,
28:02
Speaker 3: how tolerant the crowd there is of those antiques, But
28:05
Speaker 3: he did get a dose of instant karma.
28:08
Speaker 8: Shortly after that incident.
28:10
Speaker 3: He was identified and promptly expelled from the university, and
28:15
Speaker 3: I don't feel one bit sorry for him. You want
28:18
Speaker 3: to engage in that type of cruelty, mocking not.
28:21
Speaker 8: Just the murdered but those grieving his loss, you deserve
28:24
Speaker 8: to get expelled.
28:26
Speaker 3: Now, let's hear from ABC talking about the text messages
28:30
Speaker 3: of this alleged killer.
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Speaker 8: Do you think they.
28:32
Speaker 3: Reflected on how his language echoed that of mainstream leftist
28:37
Speaker 3: figures from the media and the activist.
28:39
Speaker 8: Class and Democrats.
28:41
Speaker 3: No, Instead, they were marveling at how touching it all.
28:45
Speaker 2: Was, what was on it.
28:47
Speaker 6: But also it was very touching in a way that
28:49
Speaker 6: I think many of us didn't expect, a very intimate
28:51
Speaker 6: portrait into this relationship between the suspect's roommate and the
28:57
Speaker 6: suspect himself, with them repeatedly calling him his roommate who
29:00
Speaker 6: was transitioning, calling him my love and I want to
29:03
Speaker 6: protect you.
29:04
Speaker 15: My love.
29:05
Speaker 6: So it was this duality of someone who the attorney said,
29:08
Speaker 6: not only jeopardized the life of Charlie Kirk and the crowd,
29:11
Speaker 6: but was doing it in front of children, which is
29:13
Speaker 6: one of the aggravating circumstances of this case. And on
29:15
Speaker 6: the other hand, he was speaking so lovingly about.
29:19
Speaker 3: His partner joining me now is documentary filmmaker and commentator
29:23
Speaker 3: Army Horowitz. Army, much of the media's reporting on this
29:27
Speaker 3: issue has been appalling, and there's been no self reflection
29:32
Speaker 3: about the role so many in the media played in
29:36
Speaker 3: using lies and hyperbole to demonize a man like Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, no question about it. And look, obviously the lies
29:49
Speaker 7: and the falsehoods of the media legion, and obviously there
29:52
Speaker 7: is no self reflection.
29:54
Speaker 5: Look, they obviously does any drop.
29:58
Speaker 7: The ball is understanding the amount of of failure they
30:04
Speaker 7: did on this issue in particular. Look, they're not they
30:07
Speaker 7: don't hide their agenda, and that's all I'm asking you know, Look,
30:11
Speaker 7: I'm asking a change your policies. Just hide your agenda
30:13
Speaker 7: for us, right, just pretend, try to pretend to be
30:17
Speaker 7: even handed. They can't even do that. And I think
30:19
Speaker 7: that a great example of that is the trans issue,
30:23
Speaker 7: because I think what we're seeing now is that this
30:25
Speaker 7: was certainly motivated or possibly motivated by this this trans
30:29
Speaker 7: issue because his boyfriend slash girlfriend was trans.
30:34
Speaker 5: And the media continues to push.
30:37
Speaker 7: The the idea of trans violence, but but not the
30:42
Speaker 7: trans violence that we've talked about. Uh, this the example
30:46
Speaker 7: of that, or the mass shootings we've seen at Christian
30:49
Speaker 7: schools and other places by trans people. And in fact,
30:52
Speaker 7: when I you know, we should do a second by
30:54
Speaker 7: the way, on dumb crap that AI says, because I did,
30:57
Speaker 7: you know, I want to do a cursory example, cursory
31:00
Speaker 7: look on the amount of trans.
31:01
Speaker 5: Violence we've seen, particularly.
31:04
Speaker 7: Mass shooting of the past couple of years. And while
31:08
Speaker 7: it gave me a number, it then couched it and
31:11
Speaker 7: all these things like, well, yes, so you know there's
31:15
Speaker 7: less trans violence than there is CIS gender violence, which
31:19
Speaker 7: I didn't ask for, by the way, and also, by
31:20
Speaker 7: the way, is not true. And it comes to mass shootings, yes.
31:24
Speaker 3: And also not that's true when you look at percentages.
31:27
Speaker 3: That's the key point. Of course, there's going to be.
31:30
Speaker 8: More CIS if you're going to use that language.
31:34
Speaker 3: But we're talking about a very small percentage of the
31:37
Speaker 3: population that is overrepresented in these sorts of crimes, particularly
31:43
Speaker 3: in the last few years Army, and I think denying
31:47
Speaker 3: that it is part of the problem. If we're going
31:49
Speaker 3: to actually be tackling these issues in any meaningful way,
31:53
Speaker 3: we need to be having uncomfortable conversations centered on the
31:57
Speaker 3: truth and that was really what Charlie kirk.
31:59
Speaker 8: Was all about.
32:01
Speaker 7: That's right, and they want to hide the truth. And
32:04
Speaker 7: the last point I'll make about the trans violence is
32:07
Speaker 7: that there isn't and I'll go to quickly to Kirk
32:10
Speaker 7: himself and the lies about him, But they do want
32:13
Speaker 7: to push the agenda of, you know, trans people being
32:18
Speaker 7: killed in significantly larger numbers than since people, which is
32:23
Speaker 7: simply not true. I actually did the work on this.
32:25
Speaker 7: I looked into it in the past couple of years,
32:27
Speaker 7: and I've only been a very very small handful of
32:30
Speaker 7: trans people who had been murdered because they were trans,
32:34
Speaker 7: and by the way, the vast majority of them were
32:36
Speaker 7: black women killed by black men. There is not a
32:39
Speaker 7: single example that I could find riata of a MAGA supporter,
32:43
Speaker 7: of a Trump supporter killing a trans person.
32:46
Speaker 5: Yet this is the narrative.
32:47
Speaker 7: Being pushed by the media, which was leads to this
32:51
Speaker 7: culture of self aggrievance that we've seen, which leads to
32:55
Speaker 7: this violence that we saw with Charlie Kirk, right, because
32:57
Speaker 7: I was the lie made about him. So, yes, the
32:59
Speaker 7: lies about Charlie kirk art legion, they're so significant in
33:03
Speaker 7: fact that FactCheck dot org, a leftist organization which lies
33:07
Speaker 7: all the time, including about me, including about Skytis Australia
33:11
Speaker 7: had to actually do a list of things that were
33:14
Speaker 7: lied about Charlie Kirks, so much of it was out there.
33:18
Speaker 7: They called him, for example, a white supremacist. He was
33:21
Speaker 7: the opposite of white supremacist right. He fought and kicked
33:25
Speaker 7: out a group from Turning Point called the Groypers, who
33:27
Speaker 7: are actually white supremacist. He was called Stephen King, whose books,
33:32
Speaker 7: by the way, I will never read again said he
33:34
Speaker 7: wanted to stone gay people, another massive scirlist lie against him.
33:40
Speaker 7: They talked about his Asian hate zero untrue, and they
33:44
Speaker 7: talked about his anti Semitism and as a Jew, I
33:47
Speaker 7: think I'm my antennas are kind of up about that
33:50
Speaker 7: he was a supporter of Israel. He was a Philo,
33:53
Speaker 7: semi read up. And the only example they can use
33:57
Speaker 7: for him saying something ani Semitic was he said Jewish
34:00
Speaker 7: money was involved in liberal causes causing more any semitism
34:04
Speaker 7: fact check true. Not any Semitic. Things that are true
34:08
Speaker 7: are not racist or any Semitic.
34:10
Speaker 5: They are what we call facts.
34:14
Speaker 3: Absolutely and as on Asians, and I can speak about that.
34:18
Speaker 8: He was a.
34:20
Speaker 3: Huge campaigner for having some sort of meritocracy in the
34:25
Speaker 3: entrance systems of universities because Asians are amongst the biggest
34:30
Speaker 3: group who a disadvantage when you are not getting in
34:33
Speaker 3: on merit on what your academic achievement is, but what
34:37
Speaker 3: minority box other than Asian that you're ticking. Now, Tyler
34:41
Speaker 3: Robinson is facing the death penalty. Tell me about the
34:45
Speaker 3: charges he faced today and the FBI's efforts in particular
34:49
Speaker 3: to uncover anyone else who may have been complicit in
34:53
Speaker 3: this act of political violence.
34:56
Speaker 7: Yeah, He's charged with a number of things, including the
35:02
Speaker 7: capital felony of a greed murder, which is the single
35:06
Speaker 7: largest charge you can have in Utah, which is basically
35:11
Speaker 7: it can range from the death sentence to life imprisonment.
35:15
Speaker 7: And by the way, I'm not sure, while I'm certainly
35:18
Speaker 7: a supporter of the death penalty in certain cases, and
35:20
Speaker 7: I think this might this might in fact be one
35:23
Speaker 7: of the cases I would support it in because he
35:26
Speaker 7: wasn't just trying to kill somebody.
35:28
Speaker 5: He was trying to start a war.
35:30
Speaker 7: He's trying to tear up the fabric of this country
35:33
Speaker 7: apart by this killing. But I'm not sure which his works,
35:36
Speaker 7: Which is him having the death penalty or sitting in
35:39
Speaker 7: jail for since he's twenty one, maybe upwards of seventy
35:42
Speaker 7: years watching what he tried to kill actually take root
35:47
Speaker 7: in this country and bloom and I'm talking about the.
35:49
Speaker 5: Ideals of Charlie Kirk.
35:51
Speaker 7: We've seen across the world, not just the country, the
35:53
Speaker 7: world people picking up the mantle of Charlie Kirk. So
35:57
Speaker 7: maybe it'll be worse for him to see that live
35:59
Speaker 7: for the rest of his long life in jail.
36:03
Speaker 5: I'm not sure. But I think what's even more interesting.
36:05
Speaker 7: Because I think with Tyler Robinson, it's pretty clear cut.
36:09
Speaker 7: The evidence seems in terms of DNA and evidence, it's
36:11
Speaker 7: all seems that he will in fact be prosecuted and
36:14
Speaker 7: he will go to jail or be killed for this.
36:17
Speaker 7: But I think what's interesting is the FBI is looking
36:20
Speaker 7: into accomplices or people who are who have actually hid
36:24
Speaker 7: the evidence right, And I think that if you go
36:26
Speaker 7: into this chat group that he had, I think a
36:30
Speaker 7: lot of things start happening. First all, chalk this up
36:32
Speaker 7: to things on the internet.
36:34
Speaker 5: Never go away. Folks.
36:35
Speaker 7: You may try to delete it, but how dumb are
36:38
Speaker 7: you not to know that this thing is still sitting
36:40
Speaker 7: on some server somewhere in the air. But I guess
36:43
Speaker 7: they don't know how tech works, even though they're all,
36:45
Speaker 7: you know, kind of involved in the tech world, right
36:47
Speaker 7: in the gaming world.
36:49
Speaker 5: But look, there are numerous and numerous.
36:52
Speaker 7: Examples of these people talking as long as a month
36:57
Speaker 7: before this exact day of Charlie kirk assassination.
37:02
Speaker 5: So that's either an incredible.
37:05
Speaker 7: Coincidence, I believe an incredible coincidence, or they knew something
37:09
Speaker 7: in advance. And I think this is all going to
37:11
Speaker 7: come out because at the.
37:13
Speaker 8: Least, Army, I think the FBI.
37:18
Speaker 3: I think the FBI is going to track down every
37:22
Speaker 3: single lead. They're not going to leave a single stone unturn.
37:25
Speaker 3: Army Horowitz, thank you so much for your time.
37:27
Speaker 8: Tonight, still to come, I'll.
37:29
Speaker 3: Speak to a very special guest and a close friend
37:31
Speaker 3: of Charlie kirkho will debunk a number of the lies
37:35
Speaker 3: you would have heard in the past week. The great
37:37
Speaker 3: Dave Ruben is up next. Welcome back now. I'm delighted
37:51
Speaker 3: to have this next guest back on the show following
37:54
Speaker 3: is sold out tour with Jordan Peterson. Dave Ruben host
37:57
Speaker 3: of The Reuben Report is returning to Australia this October
38:00
Speaker 3: for three exclusive shows in Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane.
38:04
Speaker 8: The dates are on the screen.
38:05
Speaker 3: Get your tickets early before they sell out.
38:09
Speaker 8: Dave, welcome back.
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Speaker 3: I wish we had brighton used to discuss tonight, but
38:13
Speaker 3: the loss of your good friend Charlie Kirk has had
38:16
Speaker 3: a profound impact on tens of millions in America and
38:21
Speaker 3: around the world. Tell me how you're feeling and what
38:25
Speaker 3: you've learned in this past week.
38:28
Speaker 17: Yeah, well, Rita, it's always good to see you. We
38:31
Speaker 17: used to do this a bit more often. I am
38:32
Speaker 17: excited to come to Australia. And actually, the thing that
38:36
Speaker 17: brought you and I together years ago when I was
38:39
Speaker 17: doing when we were doing a lot of shows together,
38:41
Speaker 17: was the thing that brought Charlie and I together. We
38:43
Speaker 17: just wanted to talk about things. We wanted to talk
38:45
Speaker 17: about the hot button issues of the day and debate them.
38:48
Speaker 17: And years ago, when Charlie and I met first in
38:51
Speaker 17: twenty seventeen, I was a man of the left. He
38:54
Speaker 17: was a man of the right, and he came up
38:56
Speaker 17: to me at an event we did and he said, Hey,
38:58
Speaker 17: let's go on tour together. Let's talk about everything, Let's
39:01
Speaker 17: debate everything, Let's go to colleges, let kids ask us
39:04
Speaker 17: whatever they want. Let's just battle it out the way
39:07
Speaker 17: you're supposed to battle it out in a free society,
39:09
Speaker 17: which is with words, of course, not with bullets. And
39:12
Speaker 17: Charlie and I did that dozens and dozens of times.
39:15
Speaker 17: We were protested, and we had fire alarms pulled and
39:17
Speaker 17: bomb threats and all of those things. Of course, nothing
39:20
Speaker 17: like what happened this week, which you're right has now
39:23
Speaker 17: I think affected hundreds of millions of people all over
39:25
Speaker 17: the world.
39:27
Speaker 2: Charlie was a great human being, you know.
39:29
Speaker 17: Putting aside the politics for a second, Charlie was undoubtedly
39:34
Speaker 17: a good husband and a wonderful father, and his wife
39:37
Speaker 17: is now a widow and his children will grow up
39:39
Speaker 17: without a father.
39:39
Speaker 2: He was a good human being who was.
39:42
Speaker 17: Doing the thing that we're all told we should all do,
39:45
Speaker 17: which is talk to the other side. Nobody from an
39:48
Speaker 17: American context did that more than Charlie Kirk.
39:51
Speaker 2: That's what he devoted his life to.
39:53
Speaker 17: Charlie would get hate from both sides because he was
39:56
Speaker 17: always trying to find.
39:57
Speaker 2: New people to talk to.
39:58
Speaker 17: To this day, I still I didn't agree with everything
40:01
Speaker 17: Charlie said, but I will say, and this is a
40:03
Speaker 17: great credit to his debate skills and his thoughtful way
40:06
Speaker 17: of having nuanced conversations. I came a lot closer to
40:09
Speaker 17: Charlie's opinions over the years than Charlie came to mind.
40:12
Speaker 17: I think I did move him on a couple of things,
40:14
Speaker 17: but he definitely brought me more within let's say, a
40:17
Speaker 17: wide ten conservative movement.
40:18
Speaker 2: So it's a really this is a terrible.
40:21
Speaker 17: Time for America, but I would say a terrible time
40:23
Speaker 17: for the world, because you know, whatever happens in America,
40:26
Speaker 17: as you know, it leaks across the entire world and
40:28
Speaker 17: can make it across an ocean and land in your
40:31
Speaker 17: continent as well. And I just hope cooler heads can
40:36
Speaker 17: prevail right now because there, you know, right now, we're
40:38
Speaker 17: sort of as a country, we're going through a degree
40:40
Speaker 17: of mourning, although there's a lot of people that are
40:42
Speaker 17: quite angry too, and it just feels like we're kind
40:45
Speaker 17: of sitting on a powder keg right now. If one
40:47
Speaker 17: or two other weird things happen, it feels like all
40:49
Speaker 17: bets are off, and I'm really devoting myself right now,
40:52
Speaker 17: my show and my upcoming tour in Australia to finding
40:56
Speaker 17: the people that want to break bread again, that want
40:59
Speaker 17: to figure out Okay, hey we're different, but we got
41:01
Speaker 17: to learn to live together.
41:03
Speaker 2: And that's going to be my mission.
41:04
Speaker 17: I think it's the only way that I can honor
41:06
Speaker 17: Charlie appropriately.
41:09
Speaker 3: And I want to ask you about this notion that
41:12
Speaker 3: we keep hearing, including in the Australian media, which just
41:15
Speaker 3: regurgitates the MSNBC, CNN talking points.
41:20
Speaker 8: This notion that Charlie Kirk.
41:23
Speaker 3: Was deeply homophobic, it was hostile to the LGBT community.
41:30
Speaker 3: You're gay, man, you were a friend of Charlie Kirk.
41:33
Speaker 8: Can you please address that allegation?
41:38
Speaker 17: Yeah, well, look, I happen to be gay. It's not
41:41
Speaker 17: something that I even think.
41:42
Speaker 2: About that often or anything else. You married at line
41:44
Speaker 2: and yours, we have kids.
41:46
Speaker 17: It is what it is. We live a decent life
41:49
Speaker 17: like most people, and Charlie. Look, Charlie, like millions of
41:53
Speaker 17: other people, Charlie was entitled to his own personal religious beliefs.
41:57
Speaker 2: There's a video that maybe you've seen.
41:59
Speaker 17: Elon Muskiven read it out in the last couple of
42:01
Speaker 17: days where somebody started asking Charlie, you know, how can
42:04
Speaker 17: you welcome Gaze into the conservative movement? And Charlie's answer
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Speaker 17: is so wonderfully thoughtful and the perfect example of what
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Speaker 17: Charlie was. Charlie makes a point of saying, Hey, I
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Speaker 17: have my own religious beliefs, but America is not a
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Speaker 17: religious theocracy.
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Speaker 2: Did he want America to be.
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Speaker 17: To be restored with Judeo Christian values and did he
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Speaker 17: believe that he felt that his personal views were best
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Speaker 17: explained through Christianity. Well, the answer to that is absolutely yes.
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Speaker 17: But Charlie was not crusading against marriage equality. Charlie was
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Speaker 17: welcoming gay people into the conservative movement. By the way,
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Speaker 17: he was also doing that with black people and Hispanic
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Speaker 17: people and everyone else. I mean, all of the commentary
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Speaker 17: around this man is completely ridiculous. But I will tell
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Speaker 17: you Charlie was at my house not too long ago.
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Speaker 17: My husband and I sat at weddings next to he
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Speaker 17: and his wife. We broke bread many many times. And again,
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Speaker 17: people are allowed their own personal religious beliefs. I, for one,
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Speaker 17: would not force a religious institution to do anything that
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Speaker 17: it didn't want to do. But that's the difference between
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Speaker 17: a religious belief and a secular institution, which is the
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Speaker 17: government of the United States. And by the way, if
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Speaker 17: you can credit that sort of open idea that Charlie
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Speaker 17: was presenting there, you can credit him for then bringing
43:23
Speaker 17: that to MAGA, which then opened up enough so that
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Speaker 17: Elon Musk and Joe Rogan and Bobby Kennedy and Tulca Gabbert,
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Speaker 17: all of these ex liberals, disaffected liberals like myself read
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Speaker 17: I think a little bit like you could then come
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Speaker 17: and be part of MAGA. So no, he has nothing,
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Speaker 17: There was no hatred in his heart. I would also
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Speaker 17: make a quick distinction.
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Speaker 2: I think it's important the idea of the LGBT community.
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Speaker 17: People need to stop saying it because the l's and
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Speaker 17: the g's and the b's have nothing to do with
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Speaker 17: the ts, and that that has become a political ideology
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Speaker 17: more than a sexuality or a gender identity.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And increasingly the lgb want to distance themselves from
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Speaker 3: the rest of the alphabet. That just keeps increasing too.
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Speaker 3: But I don't even know how many letters were up.
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Speaker 8: Our two spirit.
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Speaker 3: Yes, we're supposed to start with two sp now, aren't
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Speaker 3: you before you start the LGPT.
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Speaker 8: And then you've.
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Speaker 3: Got the plus at the end, so it's infinite number
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Speaker 3: of letters that you could add to that that.
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Speaker 8: Can ask you to respond.
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Speaker 3: Please to this clip from Jimmy Kimmel, the painfully unfunny
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Speaker 3: so called comic, had this to say on his late
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Speaker 3: night show.
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Speaker 1: We had some new.
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Speaker 14: Lows over the weekend with the Maga gang desperately trying
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Speaker 14: to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything
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Speaker 14: other than one of them, and everything they can to
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Speaker 14: score political points from it.
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Speaker 3: Dave, this kid was apparently a conservative, which must be
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Speaker 3: news to him and his trans boyfriend.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wild.
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Speaker 17: First off, Jimmy Kimmel exists as a quote unquote comedian,
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Speaker 17: and I use air quotes there because I've never heard
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Speaker 17: him say anything funny. But he exists as a political
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Speaker 17: operative in some ways more than Charlie himself existed as
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Speaker 17: a political operative. Charlie was out there talking to people
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Speaker 17: and open to ideas. Jimmy is doing a show where
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Speaker 17: he makes I don't know, probably about fifteen MILLI year
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Speaker 17: to only force one political ideology down the throats of Americans.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 17: No, the kid came from what sounds like a decent
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Speaker 17: two parent household that had some conservative values, and then
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Speaker 17: he went to college and apparently became radicalized there and
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Speaker 17: then had I suppose a trans boyfriend and was pushed
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Speaker 17: into leftist ideology.
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Speaker 2: So the fact that Jimmy knows he can go up
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Speaker 2: there and.
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Speaker 17: Just lie to his audience, I mean, I would say
45:46
Speaker 17: this goes to what I know you guys are dealing
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Speaker 17: with in Australia, which we're certainly dealing with here, which
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Speaker 17: is a massive misinformation war on the populace that the
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Speaker 17: people who control the strings of everything seem to think
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Speaker 17: they can just lie about absolutely everything, tell you up
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Speaker 17: as down left is right, boys, girl, and get away
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Speaker 17: with it. And to the extent that Jimmy Kimmel is
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Speaker 17: still on TV, I suppose they can.
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Speaker 2: Get away with it.
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Speaker 3: Well, they started with just straight out fakes. They put
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Speaker 3: the alleged killer in a fake Trump T shirt and
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Speaker 3: that circulated and people saw that and believed it before
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Speaker 3: it was debunked.
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Speaker 8: And the lies continue. As you've just heard.
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Speaker 3: Now, it's not just lies, it's utter ugly invective. Streamer
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Speaker 3: Stephen Bernell, known online as Destiny, he had this to
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Speaker 3: say about Charlie's murder and the political climate in America.
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Speaker 18: If you wanted Charlie Kirk to be alive, Donald Trump
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Speaker 18: shouldn't have been president for the second term. Every time
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Speaker 18: he's in office, this happens. People joked about when Biden
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Speaker 18: came in. It was so boring, nothing was going on.
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Speaker 18: Seven out of ten of the largest protests in American
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Speaker 18: history have happened under Donald.
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Speaker 3: And he also defended mocking Erica Kirk, Charlie's grieving widow.
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Speaker 18: You're going to weaponize somebody's grief against the other party,
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Speaker 18: But then, of course people have a right to fight
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Speaker 18: back against it. I think that she has every right
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Speaker 18: to grieve in whatever way she wants, but when that
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Speaker 18: grief is going to be weaponized to do recruitment, political recruitment,
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Speaker 18: and further radicalization on the other side.
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Speaker 2: But of course, you not only.
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Speaker 18: Have the ability to mark I think you have the
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Speaker 18: obligation of market It's insane.
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Speaker 3: There you go, Dave, you have the obligation to mock her,
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Speaker 3: a grieving widow who has to explain to a three
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Speaker 3: year old child why her daddy is never coming home.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean, I would say this is shocking, except
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Speaker 17: I've seen enough clips of this guy endorsing violence and
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Speaker 17: saying all sorts of crazy things for years that I'm
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Speaker 17: not surprised at all.
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Speaker 2: There are other streamers.
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Speaker 17: I think you've probably heard of this guy, Hassan Piker,
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Speaker 17: who's huge on Twitch, who's literally called for violence, blood
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Speaker 17: in the street, violence of capitalists, who is still on
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Speaker 17: that platform. I would say, broadly, without making it about
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Speaker 17: a specific person, I mean, we shouldn't be surprised by
48:04
Speaker 17: any of this. I mean, the left in America has
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Speaker 17: purged all of the decent liberals. It has become a
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Speaker 17: radical party that is trying to usher in Marxist and communism, Marxism,
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Speaker 17: communism and socialism. And by the way, they finally admit
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Speaker 17: that themselves. You know, years ago they started calling themselves democrats, socialists,
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Speaker 17: they don't really even say the Democrat partymore. Now they're
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Speaker 17: outright socialists. And then when you combine what I know
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Speaker 17: you have in your country too, with the mark you know,
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Speaker 17: these Moss marches and everything else, you get this crazy
48:36
Speaker 17: red Green alliance. And what do they have in common?
48:39
Speaker 17: What do the Queers for Palestine have in common.
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Speaker 2: With the UH? I don't know.
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Speaker 17: The perceived depressed Palestinians it's that they would love to
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Speaker 17: take out Western society.
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Speaker 2: That's what they have in common. That's it. So it
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Speaker 2: is not.
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Speaker 17: Surprising that these people would either endorse violence or mock
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Speaker 17: those who have just lost their loved ones because of violence.
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Speaker 17: It's actually a fairly obvious extension of everything else that
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Speaker 17: they tell us.
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Speaker 3: Dave Reuben, we can't wait to see you in Australia
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Speaker 3: next month.
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Speaker 8: Thank you so much for your time tonight.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Rita, and.
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Speaker 3: That's it from me. I'll see you at eleven tomorrow night.
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Speaker 3: Newsnight is up next