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Biggest Chicago Bears Questions After OTAs and Minicamp · Da Windy City Sports Podcast

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Wendy city podcast presented by our fan side at UC my guy right there, Alex Shapiro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am kind of day to shut out to Alex and Sean Hammond last week holding down the fort with out me putting out fantastic product.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, whipping it up, putting it out on the streets, big chunks, not the small chunks, big chunks over here, bricks, all white bricks, all right, that's what you got.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all, all white bricks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got some stuff to get into.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just some questions, questions, and for you, if you have any questions in the chat, course the questions are going to be about the bears, but what questions do you really have for this upcoming season or when camp really starts?
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, like what is it that you're like, you know what, I need to know X or I don't wanna know why.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, as far as I hope that's not what's taking place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's kick it off of my guy Alex and see what he has for us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Alex, what is your first question?
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[SPEAKER_01]: you got it because like this offseason happened and all of a sudden it's like wait I thought some things about this team and now I'm not so sure we have this great conversation with Sean and he brought up some new quote in training camp order what are some different ideas that we're having about this team over the summer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to start small and I'm going to work my way to my bigger questions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So small
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[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about it a little bit, but to be honest, I have kind of forgotten that this guy was drafted by this team last year, premium pick last year, because he was hardly on the field hardly did anything.
1:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Who is Schermar Turner?
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[SPEAKER_01]: can shumar turn or make an impact.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're not gonna know that for some time because OTA's like, yeah, you're out there, Kenneth, when you weren't here, Sean spoke highly of your offer Connor, the DT that they drafted in the sixth round.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it was like, wait, they got this other DT and we're not gonna really be able to assess what's going on until the pads come on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's all like getting another draft pick as silly as that sounds
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[SPEAKER_01]: you almost think about the rookie season as a red shirt ear to be quite honest because of the injuries that he was going through the the shin splints and what have you all those nagging injuries.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where it's like you got another second round pick almost that's the half-class full that's the good vibes summer that I'm trying to perfect so if I'm trying to have but if Schermar Turner can be who the bears thought he was when they used a second round pick on him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that make us feel better about the defensive line as a whole, because you know, if you've listened to the show, you know, and if you're new to the show, you're about to learn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're railing against this defensive line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are worried about the interior.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're worried about the exterior.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we wanted them to fix this thing inside out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Kinsham Art Turner actually be the guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are we going to see something from him when pads come on?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is why maybe Ryan Polls and Ben Johnson said, we don't got to go crazy to get a defensive tackle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can wait because we've got Shamar Turner coming off the sidelines.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's something I want to see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a question I want answered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I want to stick with that, and it's Schermar Turner, but it's also another player, and that's Dio O'Dangbo, and something that you just hit on, it's the supposed versatility that both supposed to possess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You remember when they brought Dio in, they said that he was a guy that kicked in, it could get kicked inside the DT, and the thing with, and I'm going to feature this on Schermar Turner even more,
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was one of the things that they kind of teased us with, with Schmarterner as far as a guy to complain on the edge, but a guy that can get kicked in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would think if he's getting kicked in, he's going to be looked at more as a penetrated than someone that's necessarily quote unquote stout against the run.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I could be wrong, but I would think about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Compared to Dio being a bigger guy, being a guy if you put Dio in, you're looking for him probably to be a stout one protector, a kind of guy if you kick him in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One,
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[SPEAKER_00]: with Schmart Turner not being there last year and I know he still had time to learn because he at least he was with the pro program but what are you gonna give him to master first?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Both or the edge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it based off of need or is it based off of his skill set?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of like I for me right now is just get him on the field producing his best as possible now it may not matter if he's just a natural disruptor You know what I'm saying like if he's a guy that he can be the tackle he can be the guard in the center.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He you know, I'm saying he this guy is his hand his first step is just crazy
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, since we're degree and it's like, all right, either way, it doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's that nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It won't matter as much, but that's kind of what I'm interested in on because they didn't answer the questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the things on this show that we've always pointed out, you can't usually remedy everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They remedy it a lot last year with the past holes that they had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that is a question that I have to piggyback on your question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what are you going to do?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are these guys as versatile as you
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then it kind of eludes to another question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is anything about this question that you want to finish talking about?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It eludes to, because I think, all right, the first couple of questions is really going to be about to do defensively.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you hinted about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What are you gonna get and I got two players right it's awesome booker better than what we think now I mean that's when I say that I know we all hope and we've seen signs So that's not what I'm saying, but I mean is it real you know what I'm saying like it's not just
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not just us being Chicago, meball, me hits, us being like, it's just got really someone that they found a diamond in the rough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We know the motor was talked about, we know the the cars become because they do to the motor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen flashes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, because if he,
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[SPEAKER_00]: If he can take a real huge step, it could solve a lot of issues now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I may not necessarily solve the run as much, you even know he has to set the edge man in the defensive man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if he could take a step, it really helps that defensive line and all the questions that we have as far as pressuring the quarterback because pressuring the quarterback was done by the blitz last year and not done by the
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're down a line, and it was a Dennis Allen, what you got for me, he's pulling everything out of the hat with the rabbit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's really my first thought is, is Austin Booker really a stud.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess that's how I should for a professor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's Austin Booker is a stud, and
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was graded Jared hurt was in a mixture was graded Jerry hurt or was a father time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it was he just hurt and again, I'm we're not talking about graded Jared from five to six years ago, you know that he is an older that he's alluded to the fact that he needs to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: calm down when it's not game time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm paraphrasing that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying just as far as gearing down and not being as hyped throughout the week because since he's an older player, saving some of that fuel for when it's actually going to be used on the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because again, I mean, this, this is the, this is the hope spring's eternal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the Ryan polls.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you selling me shit or is it facts?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know you got to, you got to
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You bought it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're going to say, hey, look at this house and it's like, yeah, but these windows are kind of messed up, but it's like, yeah, but you got all new appliances, you got, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: that you can have really any thought about them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, Alex, it gets to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's only really one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're a couple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're two positions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not positioned for my other question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's going to feel it is for my other question?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like, you're, that's the perfect segue dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Perfect segue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My next question is literally perfect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's going to play the nickel man?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's going to be the nickel back on this team because Kyler Gordon, this guy cannot get on the field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we,
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[SPEAKER_01]: we gave jacquambris, where a lot of grief for not being on the field, for always being in being out, you know, Tyler Gordon is right there with him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Tyler Gordon got the contract extension.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jacquambrisger did not, Tyler Gordon did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And once again, this dude is absent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The dude is absent for a lot of the offices in program is Sean told us, what's the plan?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's the
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bears had rolled with Josh Blackwell, who's phenomenal special teams player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You want to keep Josh Blackwell because he's phenomenal special teams player in the nickel he's he's not that same ace.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not that same ace in the hole.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the point where the Bears go out and get CG CJ Gardner Johnson because they they needed somebody to come in because Blackwell wasn't happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are we going to see Malik Mohammed in there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can he play in the middle?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This guy was a boundary corner.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All we heard about is great boundary corner, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Outside corner.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now it's like you, you've got to prepare.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to prepare for an eventuality that Tyler Gordon is going to miss some time or might not be there because
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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, in the matter is, this dude is missing a lot of time and is once again missing time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what's the plan B?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you rolling with Josh Blackwell again?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you rolling with Jalen Johns?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jalen Jones again?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it going to be the rookie, Malik Mohammed?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you going to play a lot of single high stuff again and move?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thenomenen into the box?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's going on at
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's an extremely important position on the defense and and when when you're getting great play out of your nickel defender it covers up a lot it helps in the run game it helps cover the middle of the field in the past game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's it's an extra.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's going to be in there if Kyla Gordon is missing time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do they have a solid solid plan B because you've got to have you got to have solid plan B's Matt Iberfluss.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe you know, I'm going to catch Flaq for catching Matt Iberfluss, parent of spare, parent of spare, but he's absolutely right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You want a parent of spare there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And who's this ooze of spare?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know something I don't think we talked about, but I don't think it was such doubt enough last year that the importance of the nickel and you brought in, you mentioned CJ Garda Johnson, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And one thing that we always talked about was the fact that he can cover, you know, like if you need him at the line, CJ was definitely a guy you would want us to defensive back that you can use for pressure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we talked about with Kevin Bayert.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about age hitting him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We mentioned it as far as guy seeming like when Rye receives was closing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't have the speed to be able to stay up with those Y receivers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So those Y receivers got by them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we thought so much about the use of the pressure in Kyla Gordon, because bear's fans have seen Maddie Berfluse use Kyla Gordon for pressure, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That we didn't talk about much on the back in the importance of a nickel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Since most teams are coming out with three where I receive a set, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And how, and this is another reason why,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I I rallied for Dennis Allen when people was coming for his neck because the defense had the most injuries last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to remember your your corners were out your started corners were gone last year right you were lucky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that Nishan right got those interceptions coming off the street basically right and this is with no pressure like the talk about and again I'm not saying that we'll see we got to give Dennis Allen his appropriate weapons but we were acting like he was working with like a playoff the defense
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying.
12:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying like every level had good players to a degree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The non-backers didn't necessarily fit his scheme.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The DBs were decimated and the defensive line did squat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But there were games they won with no starting linebackers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No starting linebackers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's hard.
13:04
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We, we, we, but people were like, this island didn't sound this island.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I mean, I can make some run to Hawaiian dishes, but it's not what he's gonna say there's a lot of Hawaiian cuisine, but at some point you're gonna be like, I'm spammed out, all right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got some other tender vitals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, oh, we know CJ Gardner Johnson is blitzing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got that one covered up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, or we hope if he's not, we're about to feast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then adding to that was also, and this is a funny thing about Ben Johnson, the frankness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Him talking about players not being there and not knowing him and him sticking to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it makes you think about Calagordon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How does Calagordon feel?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because does Calagordon feel supported?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, Leslie, I mean, because in all fairness, I would, I want him to feel supported, but he does have to be there also, you know what I'm saying?
14:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, in all fairness, if he doesn't have permission not to be there and you haven't been able to do your job, you probably should do extra.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I've been doing an extra I'm saying being at these OTAs, you know what I'm saying like I think it was injured.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why he was not in the field because he's hard.
14:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not talking about being in the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking about being in the building.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying being like beer beer around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying like dog.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, is those check is I don't know those was check steel clearing Alex of what's they being handled with help.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was no check clear this is still clear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay, okay, so much if my money still work You know my money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just need you to be a support listen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes we all got it surely You know what I'm saying and I mean I'm not even saying it is a not I'm saying it as Whatever you can do to get the team going bro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I need you to do it Because then checks is still clearing but if you're holding the clipboard then hold the clipboard like a champion
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that just thinking about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then also, you know what, sticking with that, let's say, let's get to this too, and listen, wonderful player.
15:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Can Jaywin Johnson bounce back?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't see Jaywin Johnson last year, and this was due to injury.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's no questions about Jaywin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We had nothing bad to say about Jaywin Johnson, but can he bounce back?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The shoulder has always been an issue since college.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now last year was a growing on a DB.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, a groin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about a reactionary play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
15:48
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't you don't know which way I'm going right you are acting in which way I'm going right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I can't I can't protect a tweaked groin because I don't know what route this guy is about to do and what he's about to do and by the way, they know you got a tweaked groin and they're going to use that question right point right point right point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So those are the questions that I would have most of my questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: are defensive, but true concerns, if I'm being honest, are defensive, I do have an offensive question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we'll save that for the end, because I got one more defensive question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Unsurprisingly, all of my questions are defensive up because, you know, Sean, if you haven't listened last episode, Sean Hammond basically gave us the scoop on everything that has happened over the offseason program from rookie minicamp through mandatory minicamp and OTAs in between.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was singing the high praises of Garrett Bradbury.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He said, snaps look clean, snap look good, operation looks good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, you can't judge the blocking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I want to know when is it's a D.T.
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[SPEAKER_01]: on the same page.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We saw a lot of balls on the ground.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He said he did not see a single ball on the dirt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's like, OK, that was a question that's kind of answered that operation looks clean defensively.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I already invoked this guy's name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is he gonna maybe shade into the box more?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How big of an impact can Thineman really make right away?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because now it looks like, okay, the bear's drafted you with a premium pick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First round pick, you gotta make an impact.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And how much of an impact are you gonna be able to make on this football team right away when this team needs you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like a luxury pick where it's like, okay, hey, come in, we're expecting you to start, but like, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Montes, what is going to be able to cover up for you, Jalen Johnson is going to be able to cover up for you.
17:43
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a, there's a lot of new pieces on this defense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This defense needs to get better from last season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, premium pick was used to bring you in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you make a premium impact right away that the team needs, that they, honestly, the bears need out of a week one?
18:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm, I'm doing too much with this thought.
18:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm doing too much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One, because there's does athletically, but could part of the reason and you need versatility.
18:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me say this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That you draft a thing and you bring in a Kobe Bryant, who has played all over the defensive backfield.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Both of these guys can basically shade a nickel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you want them on their whole game, but is that one, of course, versatility, but it's also because you don't know what you got and it's far as who's, because that mean, one thing where we're worried about Kyla Gordon,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You at least got two safe fees who are coverage got who can keep me coverage guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you now have the box guy, like kind of brisker was a little bit more, even though brisker could play some back or play deep a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These are coverage guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that helps you in a situation where, yep, listen, you may be trying out the nickel may be a rotating door.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To find out who is that guy that's gonna play that position.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you're doing too much with that question.
19:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you're doing too much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, and again, now I'll give Ryan Polls and I'll give the staff props.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, one of our facilities is good, but if it helps you because one, and the other thing too, when I'm talking about that money, and I'm not patting as pockets, but that's a lot of money that's not on the field for nickel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right for nickel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You that problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you put that money down, that was to solve and be like, we got basically like a top five nickel here on our team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have to worry about that.
19:35
[SPEAKER_00]: This guy can cover and his guy can blitz.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: His guy can stop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He can set.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He can come in during the run.
19:42
[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen the good plays with Kyler.
19:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when he does this field, he does do those things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When he's on the field, he's an impact player.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I want though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say this too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a joke.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Too much flipping buddy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I never, I never, too much, it's so much on you.
19:56
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so much on you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so much on you already are playing that sport and then you're flipping all the damn time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's some point about our Houston.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to look about Houston and flashback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We all got PTSD.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it come on man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That please not that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Please not that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, that, that's my thought.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Many other defensive questions you got.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hit me with your offensive question.
20:19
[SPEAKER_00]: My offensive question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know coast and I know this offense is gonna feature coast and love one, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But who's gonna be that real dependable wire receiver?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it gonna be Luke the burden?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it gonna be Rome?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Does Rome really take the step that we've been waiting for?
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, does Rome?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And also,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so who is Rome now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Rome's talked about the foot and being in having to be different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A new normal, you know, saying that he mentioned a couple weeks ago, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Does that make Rome, and I'm not trying to believe me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want the best out of Rome, great young man in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to see become more of a possession guy in some ways.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, it has a knock.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, one, you need one.
21:08
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
21:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, someone's got to take up, you know, Rome had the versatility.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw it washed in here, two stretch of fuel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, but he wasn't known as a speedster, even though he's not slow, you know what I'm saying?
21:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what who was Rome but can Rome
21:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Feel DJ's role or I don't want to well, I will it be you served by Luther Burton Jr. who from man, I mean you see them time I looked at Burton Jr. and If he's gonna take that edge that he has and apply it to the field like that
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[SPEAKER_00]: right like hone it.
21:43
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
21:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Like some people can let it get in the way.
21:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And if he's going to do that, I mean, look, sometimes you got to let them go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's who's going to be.
21:51
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's the question.
21:51
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good for the most parts of the question.
21:53
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll be a bad question.
21:55
[SPEAKER_00]: If the offense is it running as smoothly and you it's
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[SPEAKER_00]: a situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It'd be a bad question if Kostan is either hurt or the offense running through Kostan isn't as efficient as you're hoping for, because then you're going to be like, I need that other guy compared to my Kostan as ball and now, and it's just, hey, we got a little, we got a little fool for somebody to get some, and the guys are taking that fool, but Kostan's getting majority of that, but that's really probably this question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's going to be the guy who's like, I got to get this guy eight targets a game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's Lucifer burdened the guy who you got to get eight targets a game or is it like you get him five six targets and one of them goes for fifty yards, you know, Who's the ominous ain't brown and who's the james and Williams, because obviously this team is going to be compared to the lions for eternity because that's where Ben Johnson came from, but right like ominous ain't brown, how many that dude felt like he got he got 15 targets a game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's Roma doomsday a 15 target a game guy.
22:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a very fair question kind of TJ more did not get 15 targets again, but that was a talking point.
23:01
[SPEAKER_01]: So it always felt like he should have gotten 15 targets.
23:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's it's touches Tarkas is good, but it's touches because For instance, like when you bring up a almond raw same brown and you look at like a loop the bird in for instance,
23:15
[SPEAKER_00]: These are guys that can do stuff in the backfield and with sweeps and other such screens and other situations where it may not be necessarily down the field or not that but no I need to you need to be involved right you need to have be more involvement and that's one thing that they didn't do with DJ that we harped on a lot get DJ involved and is often more often so hopefully that's what they do move
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm with it.
23:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm with it.
23:47
[SPEAKER_01]: There he is.
23:48
[SPEAKER_01]: What is that?
23:48
[SPEAKER_01]: He had 90.
23:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just looking it up because I was curious.
23:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Roma Dunes they had 90 targets in 12 games last season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 7.5.
23:58
[SPEAKER_01]: So apparently he did get a targets again.
24:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I take it back.
24:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I take it back.
24:03
[SPEAKER_01]: But you're right.
24:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, okay, so if it was eight, like can you take 10 again?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And can you be the dude without DJ more?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got an actually point for you today, Kenneth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you ready to continue going around the globe with crazy guitar music from around the world?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
24:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.
24:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Love it.
24:26
[SPEAKER_01]: New guy to me, old guy to the world, he might be my artist of the summer, Kenneth.
24:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I might have the sound of the summer this year last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was
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[SPEAKER_01]: This year, I think it's city pop out of Japan.
24:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I just learned about this man, Masayoshi Takanaka, a buddy recommended his concept album, The Ringo Goblins.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got way deep into, I do've got a billion studio albums.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a billion live albums.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What I love about him is all the live tours are all names like super Takanaka tour, 2026.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Super duper world tour Taka Naka.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody guess it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Taka Naka super good time and I'm like hell.
25:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love that So what does he sound like?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a blend of herbie hankock.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's 70s jazz fusion.
25:25
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what, herbie hankock was like?
25:26
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I'm letting rip with the jazz fusion stuff.
25:30
[SPEAKER_01]: That's plus like the easy summer, good time vibes of like George Benson-Breason.
25:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, put that together and you've got this wonderful Japanese guitar player and then what I also love.
25:48
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm looking at videos of this guy because I'm like, who is this dude?
25:50
[SPEAKER_01]: This is this is awesome.
25:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm all for it.
25:55
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a surfboard guitar man.
25:58
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a surfboard, a full
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[SPEAKER_01]: surfboard and in the middle of it is cut out, cut out like so there's negative space, a guitar neck and there's a guitar in the middle of the surfboard.
26:12
[SPEAKER_01]: So this dude just playing the most funky slash breezy slash summary just like
26:23
[SPEAKER_01]: and he's playing it on a goddamn surfboard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's a coolest thing ever.
26:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm all about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've only listened to 25 out of his 150 studio albums.
26:35
[SPEAKER_01]: But Masa Yoshi Takanaka, he might be the dude who really sticks with me this whole summer as I go on truly a global journey of weird guitar music.
26:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Send me some, listen, I got one.
26:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Today is Junting as we record this, right?
26:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And I had to have a discussion with myself, Juneteenth and I was just talking to Alex about the A-Rap Spring that happened a decade or so ago.
27:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And how when this to celebration to the national celebration, black people have known about Juneteenth, the national celebration, chemical effect after George Floyd's murder.
27:13
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was one of those given something, right?
27:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And how I wrangle with
27:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I could have gotten a lot of other stuff besides this.
27:22
[SPEAKER_00]: There would be even more beneficial as a person from a slave history, as far as when they were brought to this country.
27:30
[SPEAKER_00]: But then I realized the privilege in that thought.
27:33
[SPEAKER_00]: In the fact that I can sit here and say how I feel about something, but my ancestors, that that respite, even though ending slavery and
27:48
[SPEAKER_00]: The prison complex system, if you really don't know, you should know, that's free labor.
27:55
[SPEAKER_00]: America's never truly got rid of people, do you think people are going to get rid of free labor?
28:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you that, that, in all fairness, these privatized prisons?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That part.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're making the private prisons make all the money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do they let the private prisons fail?
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so no, you know what, we're not going to send anybody there, but this is getting back to the subject.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had to realize the privilege and where I am in this part of this journey on this blue marble that other people in the past that made so much to them and I shall celebrate them.
28:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where I'm at.
28:33
[SPEAKER_00]: That thanks the people that went through all of the worst experiences, the rape, the mutilation,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, the, all the demeaning things that they had to go through just so I can be sitting and talking to him, you know what I'm saying, and that's what I'll celebrate because no one has the permission to give you free because you're not supposed to be someone that put into captivity anyway, you know, so that's I want to leave on that note because we always about at least once a twice a month, hit you with some heart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, shout out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to thank my partner in crime, Alex Piro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of Davis, and we'll be back here next week on the Winni City podcast, presented by fanside.