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The Great Unraveling | A Legendary Pollster on What Broke America—and What Comes Next · CLUB NORMIE

• 0:00
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: PhD making a latte at Starbucks is paid the same as somebody with a high school degree that's making lattes at Starbucks.
• 0:10
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: A large percentage of y'all being disconnected from reality, disconnected from history.
• 0:15
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: People's expectations are so important that they expect something, and then that reality doesn't meet the expectations.
• 0:25
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Expectations.
• 0:26
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: That is a loaded word.
• 0:28
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: So many Americans feel socially and politically adrift.
• 0:33
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: What's going on?
• 0:34
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: What are the root causes?
• 0:36
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: My guest today is going to shed some light.
• 0:38
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Paul Talmy is a veteran holster.
• 0:41
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: He spent more than five decades listening to and learning from Americans.
• 0:47
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: And he's going to share his knowledge.
• 0:49
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Welcome to Club Normy.
• 0:51
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: I'm Jennifer Weisman.
• 0:52
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Paul Talmy, welcome to the club.
• 0:54
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Americans are wandering into very dangerous territory now.
• 0:58
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: We're seeing socialism gaining momentum.
• 1:02
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: It's a buzzword now, fairness.
• 1:04
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: You were a holster with a very storied career all the way to the Nixon impeachment inquiry.
• 1:11
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: You worked for a Democratic congressman back in the day.
• 1:14
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: You were a CBS field producer when network news was what everyone watched every night at six o'clock.
• 1:21
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: What do you see changing in the world now?
• 1:24
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Very steep decline in trust, trust of government, trust of other people.
• 1:30
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: We used to ask the question, and many pollsters still do, is the country going in the right direction or has it gotten off on the wrong track?
• 1:39
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: A number of years ago, the majority were saying a wrong track, but that number is reaching the top.
• 1:45
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: We've seen a lot of mistrust of our basic institutions.
• 1:50
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Politics in America, how would you describe it today, 2026?
• 1:54
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: When I work in the Senate, there was a great deal of collegiality.
• 1:59
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Even if you disagreed, you were still colleagues.
• 2:04
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: And you on votes had a fair number of people who would cross the aisle.
• 2:09
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Not everything, but on some things.
• 2:12
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Today, my feeling is that that just no longer exists, that Democratic senators basically don't talk to Republican senators, and vice versa.
• 2:23
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: And you see this constant party line vote, party line vote, party line vote.
• 2:29
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: And that's a problem.
• 2:31
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Look at John Fetterman.
• 2:32
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: He is a politician I have really learned to respect.
• 2:34
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: And in the beginning, with the hoodie, I was thinking, who is this clown?
• 2:38
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: But the guy has a set of morals, and uh seems like the Democratic Party is just hellbent on destroying him.
• 2:44
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Yeah, on many things, he votes fairly progressively, but he disagrees on some things, and that's not allowed.
• 2:51
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Most of us are normies, just the normal people, moderate politics, sensible instincts, reasonable middle.
• 2:58
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Maybe you're a little left, maybe you're a little right.
• 3:00
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: This show is called Club Normy.
• 3:02
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: You're trying to find a place in the middle that makes sense.
• 3:06
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: And in America today, and really the world, it's very hard to be center in the normal.
• 3:12
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Socialism rising, the zeitgeist of the country seems to have changed.
• 3:18
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Do you think we can get back to the center?
• 3:21
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: I'm not so sure that in terms of voting public, that they've really changed their political attitudes that much.
• 3:29
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: What's shifted is our system of elections that if you go back back when I started, way in the dark age.
• 3:37
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Back in the day.
• 3:38
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: So I'll just say the parties, the Republican Party, the Democratic Party, its leaders had a lot to say about who was going to be the nominee.
• 3:46
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: There were still conventions, primaries to an extent.
• 3:49
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: But then the movement came to let's have it all done by primaries.
• 3:53
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: And that really shifted things unexpectedly.
• 3:56
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: It's one of those unexpected consequences of a change.
• 4:00
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: So what happens in primaries is that only people who are, oh, I'd say more politically committed one way or the other come out to vote.
• 4:09
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: And so you get very conservative people being nominated, winning the primaries in the Republican Party, and you see very liberal or progressive people winning the Democratic primaries, even though the average Democrat is not a socialist or the average Republican, well I'd say that they are supporting Trump, but even there.
• 4:32
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: It's not the extent that Trump thinks it is.
• 4:36
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: So I think that's what's happened more than huge shifts in the electorate itself.
• 4:42
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: You were a very young in the 60s, yes.
• 4:44
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: And what in the 70s when you worked for CBS News, was the media, quote, neutral, unquote.
• 4:52
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Well, I wouldn't use the word neutral.
• 4:54
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Certainly correspondents, reporters, producers had their political opinions, but the point was that you were to be objective as possible.
• 5:05
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Present both sides.
• 5:06
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Sometimes that made for a strange reporting, but it was get both sides, play it straight, cover what happened.
• 5:16
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: You're not in the business of trying to change viewpoints.
• 5:19
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: You're trying to give people information so they can make better decisions.
• 5:24
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: So that's quite different from what's happening today, where you get this kind of journalism that is the important thing is trying to change the world.
• 5:32
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: It's advocacy journalism, not the fly on the wall journalism.
• 5:37
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: I want to talk about anti-Semitism and why you think that anti-Semitism is in fashion again.
• 5:44
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: And why you think there is such a big target on Israel now from the left and the hard right?
• 5:50
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: There's a lot of money that comes, in particular, to universities from the Middle East and are using it to try and sway opinion.
• 5:59
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Because we have an open democracy, other countries can try and influence our electorate.
• 6:04
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: And my sense is money being spent to influence public opinion from the Middle East has obviously been anti-Israel, and you get anti-Israel and very slips into being anti-Jew, and all of a sudden you have anti-Semitism.
• 6:19
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: I just thought the FDD Foundation for the Defense of Democracy just did a study.
• 6:24
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: And the Chinese Communist Party and Qatar are some of the largest funders of K through 12 education, which is really interesting because we've been looking after October 7th on university influence, but it goes way deeper than that.
• 6:40
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Do you think the American dream is still alive?
• 6:43
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Yes, I think it is still alive, but people don't believe it's alive.
• 6:47
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: And that is troublesome.
• 6:49
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: And also it depends on what you mean by American dream.
• 6:53
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: What is happening to the youth now?
• 6:55
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: The younger generation has really taken a stand against many American core values and very angry and frustrated that maybe they went to the right school and they have the right education and they're sort of owed this six-figure salary on, you know, wherever, whatever their dream is, and it doesn't happen or it's not happening quickly.
• 7:20
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: And there's a sense of maybe frustration.
• 7:22
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: That's the messaging that we're seeing on social media.
• 7:25
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Well, I realize that you see things like high percentage of people support socialism.
• 7:30
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Uh have a positive view of socialism.
• 7:36
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: And then you ask questions, well, do you think people should be able to start a business?
• 7:40
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Oh, yeah, sure.
• 7:41
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: We'll start a business and build it up.
• 7:43
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Socialism is different, state ownership of the means of production, which is the economic meaning of socialism.
• 7:51
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: So a lot of it means, well, I'm just angry and I want something else.
• 7:54
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: I want something different than what we've got now.
• 7:57
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Younger people, there's so much dynamic going on here.
• 8:01
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: People get a four-year degree and they come out, and lo and behold, there isn't a job for them.
• 8:06
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: And not only that, but they're stuck with a big student loan.
• 8:09
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Percent of people going to college and getting degrees has doubled over the last uh generation.
• 8:15
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: At the same time, there hasn't been this huge increase in the kinds of jobs that require a college degree.
• 8:24
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: And the pay is based on the job, not on the education of the person getting the job.
• 8:31
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Now you've got people with degrees, and the jobs that are available for them are fairly menial, and they feel have been duped.
• 8:40
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Right.
• 8:40
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: And they have, in a sense.
• 8:41
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: For so long, so many things have been presented so negatively.
• 8:46
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Like what?
• 8:47
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Throw out a couple examples.
• 8:48
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: The country is a bad country, that whites are bad, men are bad, all these things.
• 8:56
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: That we've got a large percentage of people, particularly if they're young, being disconnected from reality, disconnected from history.
• 9:04
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: People's expectations are so important that they expect something, and then that reality doesn't meet the expectations.
• 9:14
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: And so people get disappointed, frustrated, angry because that failure of meeting expectations.
• 9:24
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: I would say unrealistic expectations, and the world, the reality, doesn't meet it.
• 9:30
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: And so now it's to hell with it.
• 9:32
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: To hell with it.
• 9:32
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Hell with it.
• 9:33
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: We're angry, pitchfork out.
• 9:35
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: We want our pound of flesh.
• 9:37
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: I used to talk about the Phoenix syndrome.
• 9:39
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Let's burn it all down so we can rebuild it.
• 9:42
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Well, that was the French Revolution.
• 9:44
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: I mean, we know how that turned out.
• 9:46
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Yeah, we don't want to repeat that.
• 9:48
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: I'm not sure everybody even remembers the history of the French Revolution.
• 9:51
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: The population decline and the crocodile people had about, you know, climate change.
• 9:57
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: We don't want to have children.
• 9:59
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: What does the decline in population do for our world?
• 10:02
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: In a sentence, Paul.
• 10:03
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Is it good?
• 10:04
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Realize a lot of our institutions and the economy is built on a growing population.
• 10:10
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: And without that growing population, investment has to shift.
• 10:15
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Kind of bumpy.
• 10:15
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: I live in a place where I see young, beautiful women and men not getting married, not having families, and instead buying strollers that they put their dogs in and walk their dogs around as if they're children.
• 10:29
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Now, I love my dog, and I know you love Dante, but there is a big difference between pushing a child in a stroller and being a pet parent.
• 10:37
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Yeah, people substituting dogs for kids.
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: What do you make of that?
• 10:44
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Oh, well, I I I think that some kind of companionship, responsibility, and so forth is a natural thing to to have.
• 10:52
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: And if you don't have kids, then you might say, well, some of that can be substituted for with a dog or or a cat.
• 11:02
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: I mean, it's company.
• 11:03
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: True.
• 11:04
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Pets are amazing.
• 11:05
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Love them.
• 11:06
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: So but it's not just not having kids, it's not coupling in in both sentences of the word.
• 11:13
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: What's happened that young men don't meet young women and form a partnership?
• 11:19
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Dating.
• 11:19
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Dating doesn't exist for a lot of people now in colleges.
• 11:23
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: It's very strange.
• 11:24
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Some schools are 70% girls, 30% boys.
• 11:28
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Yeah, but I think that a lot of that is a disaster for women that you hear is a disaster for men not getting a higher education, but it's really a disaster for young women, particularly as they've loaded up on student loans, to get an education that they can't use.
• 11:49
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Yeah.
• 11:49
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: They don't couple up, get married, or have a serious relationship, and you end up with an angry individual.
• 11:56
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Right.
• 11:56
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: I mean, the anger is to a great extent female.
• 11:59
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: I mean, you look at the anger that's at what the polling shows?
• 12:02
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: The anger well, a high percentage of females are are angry.
• 12:10
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Why?
• 12:10
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Well, that's a again, it's expectations not being met.
• 12:14
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: That the expectation of gee, I have a law degree or I have a four-year college degree, and now there's nothing for me.
• 12:23
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Forget AI for a moment.
• 12:25
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: You have X number of jobs that and it's the job that pays, not the education of the worker.
• 12:32
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: A PhD making a latte at Starbucks is paid the same as somebody with a high school degree at uh making lattes at Starbucks.
• 12:43
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: I'm guessing the PhD is quite pissed off.
• 12:46
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Right.
• 12:46
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: A young person just out of high school might consider that a great job.
• 12:50
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: PhD.
• 12:52
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Not so much.
• 12:54
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: It's not considered a great job.
• 12:55
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: It violates their expectations.
• 12:58
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Marry up.
• 13:00
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: That's historically been the case.
• 13:02
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Say that again.
• 13:03
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: The system of hypergammy, which is women marry up in the sense of social level and or education level or earning money level.
• 13:14
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: It's historically been expected that the male will have more education, will have more income, and so forth.
• 13:22
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: And this is expectation that even carries through with uh women who are very successful.
• 13:30
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: But where can they find a successful man?
• 13:33
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: They're all taken and they are left saying, Oh, well, I can't marry somebody who doesn't have an equal education or a better education or has the monetary wherewithal uh that I do.
• 13:45
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: And so she can't find somebody.
• 13:48
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: So people are lonelier than ever.
• 13:50
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Well, there is a loneliness component to that.
• 13:53
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: If you aren't in a partnership relationship, a romantic relationship, then you're missing a big part of life.
• 14:00
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: There's nothing that fills that void.
• 14:03
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Right, right.
• 14:04
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: A pet's not going to do it.
• 14:06
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: And spoken from a true pet lover.
• 14:08
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Well, maybe Dante will do.
• 14:11
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: But it's a lack of community, but there's also this big area that we haven't talked about, which is a lack of religious foundation.
• 14:18
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Whether you go to church, whether you go to synagogue, whatever it may be.
• 14:22
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: So you don't have a community, a community in your faith, and people are looking for something.
• 14:28
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Social media is a seductive draw, right?
• 14:31
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: You can do scroll, you can play video games, there's online porn.
• 14:36
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: They even have dolls now that have sex with you.
• 14:39
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: It's a Japanese thing.
• 14:41
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Well, okay.
• 14:44
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Just leave that, Paul.
• 14:46
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: A couple of things happened.
• 14:47
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: When people were in small towns, say, you had a wide variety of viewpoints that each that everybody would run into.
• 14:58
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: I mean, they'd have conversation, you could have disagreements, you would butt up against reality.
• 15:03
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: And one thing about it growing up on a farm is you hit reality all the time.
• 15:08
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: You can't just say, well, I hope there's going to be rain.
• 15:11
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Uh doesn't rain, you're out of uh crop that year, you're out of income that year.
• 15:16
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: But what does happen is that because of social media, you can find groups that agree with you and agree with maybe your own view of unreality, uh, political positions, any number of things, and you get this feedback, and all of a sudden you've got this subculture going, uh, almost like a cult that it keeps building, reinforcing itself.
• 15:42
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: And you get people saying, Well, to show that I am part of group A, I'm going to make even a more radical statement or do something more radical.
• 15:51
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: And so it gets into this spiral of unreality and weird political positions.
• 15:59
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: It's just how you're identifying with other people, you're using social media.
• 16:03
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Well, you you you find your group through social media.
• 16:06
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Right.
• 16:06
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Somebody says something, well, you know, I'm for socialism, and so, well, this is a person in my group, and you say, Oh, yeah, I'm for socialism too, and I believe this, and I think we gotta, you know, that robbery is good.
• 16:18
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Gee, it's good to kill corporate executives.
• 16:21
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: And I'm so glad you brought that up.
• 16:23
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Have we not gone off the freaking rails that people are cheering for this murderer who doesn't like the premiums that, by the way, his parents probably pay?
• 16:34
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: And he goes and executes a CEO of a healthcare company, and people love him.
• 16:40
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Like, not everybody, of course, but each other.
• 16:42
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: No, no, but but that's what's one of the things that's happened is that your community that's online, but your community, and maybe I mean, if it's say one percent of American adults, was it that's still two million people?
• 16:56
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: That's a lot of people.
• 16:57
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Hey, feed back and forth on it.
• 16:59
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Oh, yes, let's go for it.
• 17:00
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: And and so now people start going, oh, or people that have maybe an inkling in that direction, go, oh yeah, I I agree with that.
• 17:08
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: And it builds on itself.
• 17:10
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Let's talk about fairness.
• 17:11
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: You could see, I'm going back to the socialism aspect of it, but you could see how that's kind of alluring, right?
• 17:17
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: In the sense, people are upset with the status quo and realize that the same frustrations that drove the election of President Trump are the same frustrations that are also driving the support for highly progressive politicians.
• 17:36
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Maybe different solutions, but it is a same kind of anger that people are that's it's playing on.
• 17:43
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: And you say, gee, people don't can't afford things, but a lot of that is because the wages aren't keeping up with the cost of living.
• 17:53
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: You worked for Democrats in the 70s.
• 17:55
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: You were on the Hill, you were involved in the Washington scene.
• 17:58
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Do you find it strange that the Democratic Party is not pushing back against anti-American people like Hassan Piker and a variety of his cohorts?
• 18:09
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Do you find this to be strange that they seem to be embracing socialism and dotted line anti-Semitism, dotted line non-Western values?
• 18:19
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Some of the effects of the primary system, that we are electing people who are on the extreme.
• 18:28
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: So they're going along with the anti American.
• 18:31
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: You also have a generation now that has been taught that America's bad.
• 18:35
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: You've got a school system that is really primarily saying, Here are all the faults with the United States.
• 18:42
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: Paul Talmy, thank you for joining Club Normie.
• 18:45
  HOST: Jennifer Weissmann: I'm your host, Jennifer Weisman, and this was a really interesting conversation.
• 18:49
  GUEST: Paul Talmey - Pollster: Thank you.