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128. [Georgia] Sam Poss · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome to bless this Mess with the True podcast.
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Speaker 1: We are going to Georgia this week, and apologies because
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Speaker 1: No, it's better to apologize and ask for permission. That's
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Speaker 2: Oh, it's better to ask for forgiveness and ask for permission.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's better to apologize for something than to ask
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Speaker 2: Are you not better to ask for forgiveness than for permission?
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Speaker 1: Okay, well I know it, as it's easier to apologize
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Speaker 1: All right, so we're back. We're going to Georgia this week.
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Speaker 2: Again again, why do you tell everybody? Please don't rob us.
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Speaker 1: I didn't tell them when we were going. But if
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Speaker 1: we'll go ahead and get into this week's case out
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Speaker 1: of Georgia.
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Speaker 2: You ready to I just hanging on every word.
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Speaker 1: Yes. Samuel Christian Poss was born June twelfth, nineteen eighty eight,
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Speaker 1: in Carrie, North Carolina, to Chris and Nicole Pass. He
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Speaker 1: had one brother, named loc Sam's family relocated to Perry, Georgia,
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Speaker 1: where Sam would grow up. He developed a love of
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Speaker 1: music in middle school and he began playing the percussion
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Speaker 1: in the school band. Is what's the percussions do? Is
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Speaker 1: that the symbols? Do you know?
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Speaker 2: Percussion is just beaten on things?
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Speaker 3: Oh?
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Speaker 1: Okay, kind of like I do, Stuart, What is wrong
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Speaker 1: with you?
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Speaker 2: You're talking about playing the drums with the kids and
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Speaker 2: the bongos and stuff. What are you talking about?
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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Anyways, this love would continue into high school,
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Speaker 1: where he would lead percussion as the captain of the
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Speaker 1: drum line. He was very involved with music, even starting
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Speaker 1: to teach himself piano. So he's he's just like a
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Speaker 1: I knew a guy like this whenever I was growing up,
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Speaker 1: and he could literally play any instrument. He could do everything.
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Speaker 1: They're just musically gifted. To me, that seemed like a
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Speaker 1: person from another planet, because I have absolutely no musical
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Speaker 1: talents whatsoever.
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Speaker 2: I can play radio all.
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Speaker 1: That, Although that one time I did say I could
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Speaker 1: play the skin flute really well, and I still don't
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Speaker 1: live it down from start, he says, I said.
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Speaker 2: That on eighty four years ago, and.
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Speaker 1: I said it again, So you know, I don't actually
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Speaker 1: learn any lessons, so his parents would divorce while he
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Speaker 1: was in high school. He graduated in two thousand and
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Speaker 1: six from that Perry High School. Now. Sam was described
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Speaker 1: as very intelligent and he had almost like a photographic memory.
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Speaker 1: He just he could retain information very well. He developed
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Speaker 1: an interest in coding, which is perfect for someone like that,
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Speaker 1: and spent many hours learning the trade on his own
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Speaker 1: outside of the classes he was taking after he graduated
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Speaker 1: from high school. He was also just very caring and
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Speaker 1: he just they said he loved to help other people
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Speaker 1: that needed it, like he would if somebody called ask
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Speaker 1: for help. He was he would always just drop everything,
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Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I can head over there and do that.
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Speaker 1: Sam lived with his Sam lived with his dad, but
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Speaker 1: became more independent after high school and would crash with
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Speaker 1: friends sometimes for days at a time, because I think
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Speaker 1: he was kind of into that like computer lifestyle. You know,
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Speaker 1: they stay up late real you know, they stay up
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Speaker 1: late at nights.
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Speaker 2: Do that's what I hear. That's what it's shows on
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Speaker 2: the movies. Whenever they're staying up late, they're always like coding.
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Speaker 1: Yeah till like three am. So I think he's kind
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Speaker 1: of doing those tapping yeah, tippity tap, tippity tap and everything.
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Speaker 1: So I think he did all that stuff. And so
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Speaker 1: he'd sleep in the morning, but he would he would
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Speaker 1: just kind of crash at friend's house. So it wasn't
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Speaker 1: oh sorry, guys. It wasn't unlike him to be gone
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Speaker 1: for a couple of days and he but he would check.
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Speaker 2: He would, he would check.
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Speaker 1: Yes, he would definitely check in. He just maybe wouldn't
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Speaker 1: be staying there with his dad at this during those times.
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Speaker 2: On October fourteenth, two thousand and eight, Sam's father had
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Speaker 2: not heard from Sam for a day or so. And
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Speaker 2: now while this was normal, like we said, for Sam
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Speaker 2: to go stay at a friend's house, it was not
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Speaker 2: normal for them not to hear it from him.
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Speaker 1: Unlike what Stu said.
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Speaker 2: Unlike what I was asking, I didn't say it. I
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Speaker 2: was questioning.
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Speaker 1: You're just asking questions. I'm just asking questions.
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Speaker 2: On Saturday today evening, his father was starting to get concerned.
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Speaker 2: But on Sunday he knew something was wrong. Sam was
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Speaker 2: supposed to meet his brother and father to go to
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Speaker 2: the County Fair. Sam would not have missed this event
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Speaker 2: if been didntly, it was the big to do. Sam's
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Speaker 2: family begins let us know. Yes, Sam's family begins reaching
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Speaker 2: out to his friends and looking in places where he
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Speaker 2: might be staying. With no luck. The concern grows that
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Speaker 2: something happened to Sam. His father, Chris, was able to
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Speaker 2: access his computer, and he looks to see if there's
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Speaker 2: any clue where Sam might be. He finds an instant
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Speaker 2: message chain where Sam is speaking to Dakota White.
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Speaker 1: You know what I have to say, though, I don't
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Speaker 1: think the kid was up to He must have been
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Speaker 1: a pretty good kid if his dad could access his computer,
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Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, usually they're to no good. They got
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Speaker 1: some pretty especially if he knows how to code and stuff.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not sure about this white kid though.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Now, Chris was familiar with Dakota, but he was not
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Speaker 2: a normal friend that Sam hung out with with. The
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Speaker 2: message was Dakota asking Sam to help him with his computer,
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Speaker 2: and Sam agreed to come over on Friday to assist
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Speaker 2: Sam or Chris speaks to Dakota and Dakota says the
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Speaker 2: last time he saw Sam was early Saturday morning at
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Speaker 2: one thirty am. Dakota asked Sam, well, this is what
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Speaker 2: Dakota is saying. He's saying that He asked Sam if
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Speaker 2: you wanted to ride, he said Dan Dan. Sam declined
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Speaker 2: and said he would walk home. It was not too
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Speaker 2: far and Sam tended to walk a lot of places.
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Speaker 2: Dakota and Chris retraced the steps that Sam might have taken,
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Speaker 2: which would have been through the woods behind the house,
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Speaker 2: but with no luck. Chris contacted the police that Sunday
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Speaker 2: evening about his missing son.
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Speaker 1: Police arrive at the Poss home to speak with Chris
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Speaker 1: and he tells them what he knows and that they
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Speaker 1: had the last person that had seen Sam had seen
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Speaker 1: him around one thirty am leaving Dakota's house through the
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Speaker 1: woods and he was actually barefoot. But again, this was
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Speaker 1: not on common for Sam to run around barefoot. Apparently,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, he's just a it's a odd you know,
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Speaker 1: a different duck. You know.
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Speaker 2: Well, there's there's new things today about people grounding. They
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Speaker 2: think you need to go outside and walk barefoot on
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Speaker 2: to get grounded. They even sell grounding sheets. Now, well
10:15
Speaker 2: they say that's it, you plug into your outlet grounding. Oh, well,
10:18
Speaker 2: that's just a marketing ploy. But I've heard that like
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Speaker 2: children and stuff, toddlers and everything. When you see him
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Speaker 2: go lay on the floor. They're naturally they are. They're
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Speaker 2: grounding at that point to try to regulate their their
10:30
Speaker 2: nervous system. And it's actually something that we just kind
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Speaker 2: of discipline out of ourselves. But it's actually that's why
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Speaker 2: you see children that will just go lay on the
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Speaker 2: floor and just like Jamison does it a lot.
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Speaker 1: No, you don't, you're just like drunk. Well you might
10:45
Speaker 1: have been drinking.
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Speaker 2: Too much tomato, tomato, but no, he does.
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Speaker 1: It a lot. I noticed that he grounds himself. What
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Speaker 1: is what? I think? He grounds himself. Anka just gets
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Speaker 1: grounded a lot because she's a defiant little thing. So
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Speaker 1: again they're trying to explain to the police, like, you know,
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Speaker 1: the barefoot thing, isn't that concerning. They pull Sam's parents
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Speaker 1: in together again. They were divorced, but the mom as
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Speaker 1: soon as she found out, she comes into town and
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Speaker 1: they speak to them together and ask about any enemies
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Speaker 1: or any issues that Sam might have had with someone,
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Speaker 1: and they have to tell them about Sam being molested
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Speaker 1: by his sixteen year old cousin when he was only
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Speaker 1: four years old. The parents ended up pressing charges against
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Speaker 1: the cousin and he was sentenced to ten years probation
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Speaker 1: in order to stay away from Sam. He should have
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Speaker 1: been freaking thrown in jail for life.
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Speaker 2: Are the wood chipper?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So police are wondering if the cousin has a
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Speaker 1: grudge against Sam for telling on him all those years ago,
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Speaker 1: because apparently it was a whole ordeal because you know,
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Speaker 1: the mom and the dad did the right thing. They
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Speaker 1: pressed charges. They didn't they're like, fuck the family, Like
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Speaker 1: the family didn't want They were trying to urge them
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Speaker 1: not to actually press charges and stuff, you know, and
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Speaker 1: just keep it within the family. And they're like, no,
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Speaker 1: we're not doing that.
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Speaker 2: We're pressing charges of this sick delatron with your fucking kid.
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Speaker 1: I know, yeah, Cebrity. So there was a big divide
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Speaker 1: in the family whenever this happened, So it wasn't like
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Speaker 1: a small small thing. They speak to the cousin, but
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Speaker 1: he was able to give an alibi that he's with
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Speaker 1: his parents at the time and they confirmed this, so
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Speaker 1: right now you know it is the parents. But right
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Speaker 1: now it's looking like he wouldn't have had the opportunity,
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Speaker 1: and it's even though it caused a lot of problems,
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Speaker 1: it may have been a bit of a stretch that
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Speaker 1: he would come in like kill a nineteen year old,
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Speaker 1: you know, or do something to a nineteen year old. So,
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Speaker 1: with no real leads, the Pause family began getting the
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Speaker 1: community involved. They start by passing out flowers and getting
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Speaker 1: his face out into the community to start looking for him.
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Speaker 2: Police retrace the area where Sam was last seen. They
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Speaker 2: searched with dogs as well as helicopters, and they had
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Speaker 2: thirty to forty volunteers a search in the woods. The
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Speaker 2: area they were looking in was a thick wooded area
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Speaker 2: between the houses, and there were also abandoned buildings in
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Speaker 2: that area. They find nothing in any other searches. They
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Speaker 2: continue to search and they start monitoring the area at
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Speaker 2: night where they when they see a guy walking around
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Speaker 2: in the cordon off area. The guy was Sam's age
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Speaker 2: and he said he went to high school with Sam
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Speaker 2: and he wanted to search in the areas that maybe
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Speaker 2: the police were not aware of.
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Speaker 1: That sounds suspicious And then why are you doing it
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Speaker 1: at night? It's all just strange.
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Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you tell the place, hey, there's these other areas.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, because also it's one of those things where
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Speaker 1: you know, the sometimes the person who.
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Speaker 2: Who who has something to do with it.
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Speaker 1: We'll start in searching themselves into the investigation, whether it
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Speaker 1: be going to the memorial service, help them with the searches.
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Speaker 1: I mean, look at Scott Peterson.
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Speaker 2: I mean wow, Wow, let's not mention that because we
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Speaker 2: haven't recorded that other.
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Speaker 1: We haven't recorded the other portion. Sorry, guys. Maybe we'll
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Speaker 1: try to do that while we're out and that can
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Speaker 1: be like a Patreon only thing. We'll see about we
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Speaker 1: can we can swing that one. Maybe.
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Speaker 2: Not making promises, I didn't make.
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Speaker 1: Any promises, I said, maybe we can if we if
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Speaker 1: we have whether.
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Speaker 2: It's right, nobody nobody heard the work.
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Speaker 1: Maybe if the weather's right, and yeah, and everything lines.
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Speaker 2: Up, can we get back to this fellow they found
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Speaker 2: in the woods? No, his story seemed odd, so they
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Speaker 2: looked into his whereabouts on the night that this went down,
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Speaker 2: and he had a solid alibi, so it was another
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Speaker 2: dead end. They continue looking at theories. Did Sam possibly
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Speaker 2: run off with the fair and become a carny? Oh,
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Speaker 2: I don't know. He can be one of them carneyfolk. Now,
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Speaker 2: it wasn't completely it's not completely a new thing for
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Speaker 2: someone to want a different lifestyle. And they got to
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Speaker 2: get the Carny somewhere.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's not It sounds crazy, but people
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Speaker 1: do that. People just like you know what, I'm just
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Speaker 1: going to pick up and travel the country with the fair.
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Speaker 2: They are able to track down where the fair went next,
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Speaker 2: and no one has seen Sam, so it's another dead end.
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Speaker 2: Finally they get something useful and an anonymous tip comes
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Speaker 2: in telling police that he saw someone at the car
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Speaker 2: wash the night that he was with.
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Speaker 1: The night that Sam went missing, Yes, the.
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Speaker 2: Last time they heard from Sam. The collar tells police
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Speaker 2: that the person cleaning the car, Oh, he said he
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Speaker 2: saw a guy spending hours cleaning his car. Yes, and
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Speaker 2: the person that was cleaning their car for hours.
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Speaker 1: Was no other than them, Dakota White.
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Speaker 2: Dakota White the guy that Sam was last seen with.
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Speaker 1: So they tried to learn a little more about Dakota
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Speaker 1: and he did not have like the best home life.
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Speaker 1: His dad was in jail and his mom had addiction problems.
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Speaker 1: He was living with his grandparents at the time of
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Speaker 1: Sam's disappearance. His friends knew he had like pretty rough
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Speaker 1: life and that his grandparents, but he had this rough
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Speaker 1: life and everything, so he kind of lived this life
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Speaker 1: with no rules and everything and then he goes and
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Speaker 1: moves with these grandparents and the grandparents are super strict
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Speaker 1: with him. So needless to say that Dakota had a
15:54
Speaker 1: pretty rough upbringing and then he's kind of been moved
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Speaker 1: back and forth between family members. Now he's living with
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Speaker 1: his grandparents and they've kind of put the lockdown on him.
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Speaker 1: So he became depressed and he attempted suicide but did
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Speaker 1: not did not succeed. And this was kind of well
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Speaker 1: known but with his friends and things like that, so
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Speaker 1: police were able. That's a little background on who Dakota was.
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Speaker 1: So police were able to obtain a search warrant for
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Speaker 1: Dakota's vehicle now that they need. Now they just need
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Speaker 1: to track down Dakota. I had a cat named Dakota's
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Speaker 1: Duis's Coda Cuckoo had. He was like a big fluffy cat.
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Speaker 1: So all I see is Dakota, you know, whenever I
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Speaker 1: see this. I had a dog named Daisy, and they
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Speaker 1: were arch nemesis, Daisy and Dakota. So Daisy would always
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Speaker 1: try to Dakota hate Coda Cuckoo hated Daisy.
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Speaker 2: Oh she was a herder, Yes, she was a herder.
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Speaker 1: And then she moved on to Smigel, whenever Dakota died
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Speaker 1: and then.
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Speaker 2: She moved on to a great reward.
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Speaker 1: She did she harassed somebody in between there before she
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Speaker 1: was harassed until the end she was at all she
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Speaker 1: was a yeah, yeah, she was a good dong. So
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Speaker 1: on October nineteenth, twenty sixteen, someone's birthday, Dakota's mom went
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Speaker 1: over to her sister's home, Dakota's aunt, and confess that
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Speaker 1: Dakota had confided in her that he was involved with
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Speaker 1: Sam's disappearance. So the mom knew something, goes over, talks
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Speaker 1: to the ant and just lays it all out there.
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Speaker 1: So the aunt or the aunt and the mom they
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Speaker 1: kind of went back and forth on whether to turn
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Speaker 1: him in, and finally the sister was like, no, we
17:36
Speaker 1: need to. We got to turn this in. This is
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Speaker 1: not right. So they immediately call the police and tell
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Speaker 1: them what they know. The sister does police head to
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Speaker 1: I guess the mom didn't have feel comfortable actually talking
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Speaker 1: to the police, so the sister did it for So
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Speaker 1: the police head to the home and speak to Dakota's family. Now,
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Speaker 1: with the information provided, they were able to track down
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Speaker 1: Dakota and bring him in for questioning. Dakota initially seems
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Speaker 1: pretty laid back and relaxed, but he quickly changes his tone.
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Speaker 2: But the value more off.
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Speaker 1: Yes, whatever he was on was like that the nerves,
18:08
Speaker 1: the nerves overcame whatever, and he was starting to get
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Speaker 1: you know, antsy and stressed out looking, and so he
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Speaker 1: breaks down and he starts to tell detectives what happened.
18:20
Speaker 1: He starts by saying Sam is not alive. He says
18:24
Speaker 1: that he did kill Sam, but he didn't do it
18:26
Speaker 1: on his own. He had an accomplice named Brandon Warren. Yeah.
18:31
Speaker 1: He tells police that him and Brandon did not see
18:34
Speaker 1: any purpose to life and they wanted to kill themselves,
18:38
Speaker 1: but they wanted to kill someone else first. Like, this
18:40
Speaker 1: is very The reason that this the Sam kid died,
18:45
Speaker 1: is absolutely insane. I mean this is really this set
18:48
Speaker 1: story is very scary because that you people, you always
18:52
Speaker 1: think like you're gonna if if someone kills you, it's
18:55
Speaker 1: someone who's like thought it out or anything. This is
18:57
Speaker 1: just people, as you hear this, just thought this up
18:59
Speaker 1: on a whim, that they were gonna kill somebody.
19:02
Speaker 2: Spoiler alert, So shut up.
19:04
Speaker 1: Still, So they discussed options on who they could kill.
19:08
Speaker 1: They talked about possibly driving around and finding someone jogging alone. Scary.
19:12
Speaker 1: That's why you don't go jogging or doing like a
19:14
Speaker 1: home invasion and killing someone. So this is this is terror.
19:17
Speaker 1: This is a horror movie. Can you imagine just that's
19:20
Speaker 1: your worst fear, that someone's just gonna break into your
19:22
Speaker 1: house with the intent to kill you like no other reason.
19:25
Speaker 1: They don't. They don't want to live, They don't want
19:26
Speaker 1: to for any it. They don't want anything else in life.
19:29
Speaker 1: They don't want to burglarize you nothing. They just want
19:31
Speaker 1: to kill you or just popping you off the street
19:33
Speaker 1: while you're out for a walk or something. They finally
19:37
Speaker 1: settled on Sam because they knew he was a nice guy,
19:40
Speaker 1: which is disturbing, and who could come over and help
19:43
Speaker 1: at a moment's notice. They knew they could just like
19:46
Speaker 1: we said, he's always trying to help everybody out, So
19:49
Speaker 1: he was just gonna they could just send him a
19:51
Speaker 1: message and say, hey, I need help with my computer
19:53
Speaker 1: or whatever, and he's gonna drop everything in head on over,
19:55
Speaker 1: which is exactly what he did.
19:57
Speaker 2: Please find out more about Brandon Warren. He was a
20:00
Speaker 2: senior at the same high school as Sam. He was
20:03
Speaker 2: known to be a quiet at school, but outside of
20:05
Speaker 2: class he was very dark and would talk about hurting
20:09
Speaker 2: people the way his family abused him. Brandon seems like
20:13
Speaker 2: a ticking time bomb and police need to track him
20:16
Speaker 2: down quickly. They found him asleep in bed at three am,
20:19
Speaker 2: and he seemed afraid and timid, not how he portrayed
20:23
Speaker 2: himself outside of school. Brandon immediately lawyered up. They continue
20:28
Speaker 2: to press Dakota and he walks through the events of
20:30
Speaker 2: that night. They picked up Sam and went to their home.
20:35
Speaker 2: Dakota started trying to strangle Sam with a wire, but
20:38
Speaker 2: the wire broke when Sam began to struggle.
20:41
Speaker 1: This is also crazy to me that they just decided.
20:45
Speaker 1: Two people just decided that they wanted to kill somebody.
20:47
Speaker 2: We're going to kill somebody, then we're going to kill ourselves.
20:50
Speaker 2: That'll be awesome, It'll be a great day.
20:52
Speaker 1: It sounds like something went wrong in their plan, though,
20:54
Speaker 1: because one person's dead and two people are lives.
20:57
Speaker 2: Yes, and it then seemed like they tried to kill
21:00
Speaker 2: themselves at all. Dakota started a trip and wire broke.
21:04
Speaker 2: Dakota then put his arm around Sam's neck and then
21:07
Speaker 2: a plastic bag while Brandon started stabbing Sam. They panicked
21:12
Speaker 2: once it was over due to the crime scene because
21:14
Speaker 2: there was blood everywhere. They asked Dakota where Sam's body was,
21:19
Speaker 2: and he said that they dumped him in the back
21:21
Speaker 2: of Lake Joy Village, which is down the last street
21:25
Speaker 2: in that area.
21:26
Speaker 1: If you're familiar with the area, Yes, we always put
21:29
Speaker 1: the We always put the sight. What if somebody's familiar
21:32
Speaker 1: with them, like, oh my god, I was just down
21:33
Speaker 1: Joy Drive.
21:35
Speaker 2: Now there is a creek that runs through there and
21:37
Speaker 2: it is where people dump their dead animals. He said
21:40
Speaker 2: that is where they could find Sam. So they kill
21:44
Speaker 2: him on a whim and then they just dumped him
21:45
Speaker 2: in a creek with a bunch of where people dump
21:47
Speaker 2: their dead animals. Lovely. Now, the horror of the crime
21:51
Speaker 2: scene was absolutely shocking to investigators because this is town
21:56
Speaker 2: does not have a lot of murders.
21:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a small town, and I mean, I don't
21:59
Speaker 1: know many towns that have two random eighteen nineteen year
22:03
Speaker 1: olds that decide that they're just gonna stab somebody to death.
22:06
Speaker 1: That's insane.
22:07
Speaker 2: Well, they didn't decide to stab them, they were just
22:09
Speaker 2: gonna kill them and just happened to be stabbing. Oh, well,
22:13
Speaker 2: they didn't even have a plan.
22:15
Speaker 1: I know they didn't have a plan, but I'm just saying, well,
22:16
Speaker 1: they had the knife there as some sort of the plan,
22:19
Speaker 1: as a backup plan. It doesn't matter. They just there
22:24
Speaker 1: was two random eighteen nineteen year old kids gonna go
22:26
Speaker 1: and just kill somebody, a friend of theirs that they
22:29
Speaker 1: had actually inter I mean, what is wrong with these
22:31
Speaker 1: people that they had interacted with and hung out with,
22:34
Speaker 1: and that the kid was coming over to help them,
22:35
Speaker 1: and then they're gonna kill.
22:37
Speaker 2: He's a nice guy. We'll get him over easy.
22:38
Speaker 1: Yeah.
22:40
Speaker 2: It is a little bit disturbing, A little bit stood,
22:45
Speaker 2: a little bit, Okay, it's very disturbing. Police pressed the
22:48
Speaker 2: Code on how they came up with this brilliant idea,
22:52
Speaker 2: and the Coda said it all came up in one day.
22:55
Speaker 2: They asked him about the suicide pack and what happened
22:58
Speaker 2: to that part of.
22:58
Speaker 1: The Yeah, what happened?
22:59
Speaker 2: What happened happened?
23:00
Speaker 1: Dumbasses? Why aren't you dead? Dakota said that it has
23:03
Speaker 1: a lot of money right now.
23:04
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to tell you what.
23:05
Speaker 1: I turn yourself in.
23:06
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you.
23:06
Speaker 1: What I know you're going to tell me. I know
23:08
Speaker 1: you what you're gonna tell me, because I wrote it.
23:11
Speaker 2: Dakota said that after they killed Sam, it just never
23:13
Speaker 2: was brought up again.
23:15
Speaker 1: Just just they forgot that part of the plan.
23:18
Speaker 2: After disposing of Sam's body, they just went their separate
23:21
Speaker 2: ways and they never spoke of it again again.
23:24
Speaker 1: Absolutely insane that they could just go on about their
23:28
Speaker 1: life and just be like, oh, well, we're just going
23:30
Speaker 1: to not do that suicide part and then just pretend
23:34
Speaker 1: like we.
23:34
Speaker 2: Always say it all the time.
23:36
Speaker 1: Happened.
23:36
Speaker 2: There was some lady whose kid went missing and she
23:38
Speaker 2: was just partying it up.
23:40
Speaker 1: Oh was that a one, miss Casey Anthony, Mother of
23:46
Speaker 1: the Year.
23:47
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
23:48
Speaker 1: Whenever you think you're feel like you're not doing well,
23:50
Speaker 1: just remember Casey Anthony. If you're not feel like you're
23:53
Speaker 1: not doing well. As mom, so because you gave your
23:57
Speaker 1: child the wrong color plate and she flipped out on you.
24:00
Speaker 1: That happened to not today, But it's it's a it's
24:04
Speaker 1: usually the cup or or the.
24:07
Speaker 2: Snap, the house, the house. Oh we didn't fix the house, right?
24:10
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she we have to put like a house,
24:13
Speaker 1: which is basically just a blanket draped over the end
24:15
Speaker 1: of each side of her bed. Every night, and sometimes
24:19
Speaker 1: it falls down or it's not positioned right, and then
24:21
Speaker 1: that turns into a full on meltdown, or the fact
24:24
Speaker 1: that we don't live in Orange House has been was
24:27
Speaker 1: that that was the thing. We stayed in an airbnb
24:30
Speaker 1: in Florida when we went to the cruise.
24:32
Speaker 2: For like three days, maybe four.
24:34
Speaker 1: Not even four. We stayed there two nights. We got
24:36
Speaker 1: there on Wednesday and we left on Saturday. We stay
24:40
Speaker 1: there three nights and we were gone. We didn't hang
24:43
Speaker 1: out in Orange House. We we went and did things.
24:46
Speaker 1: We went to the Kennedy Center and did did all
24:48
Speaker 1: sorts of things that she became obsessed with this Orange house.
24:52
Speaker 1: And we were coming home from Disney. She's like, We're
24:53
Speaker 1: going to Orange House. And I'm like, I'm like, orange House.
24:56
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what she was talking about, but
24:58
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yeah, s sure. And so when we
25:01
Speaker 1: pull up to our house, our house has like his
25:04
Speaker 1: brick and it's kind of got that little bit of
25:06
Speaker 1: that tone of maybe a little orange. I'm like, oh,
25:09
Speaker 1: this is Orange House, and I'm feeling all happy. I'm like,
25:13
Speaker 1: oh my god, she missed our house and you never
25:16
Speaker 1: think that not orange house. She started crying and everything going,
25:21
Speaker 1: this is not Orange House, This not Orange House. And
25:23
Speaker 1: I'm like Orange House. And then finally I figured out
25:25
Speaker 1: it was this stupid airbnb in Florida. Wasn't talking about
25:28
Speaker 1: the Disney Cruise, none of that. She was talking about
25:30
Speaker 1: this Orange House. So she has mentioned Orange House.
25:33
Speaker 2: So you could have just saved us all that money
25:34
Speaker 2: on a Disney Crius and just taken up to that
25:36
Speaker 2: band Florida.
25:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a nice airbnb, though, I will give
25:39
Speaker 1: her that. Please bring up charges against Brandon and Dakota.
25:44
Speaker 1: And on October twentieth, they go to the site where
25:47
Speaker 1: Dakota said Sam was disposed of and were able to
25:50
Speaker 1: recover his body under a tarp, buried in a shallow grave.
25:53
Speaker 1: They were also able to recover all of the weapons
25:56
Speaker 1: used to attack and kill Sam. They also processed Dakota's
26:00
Speaker 1: and found blood all in the cushions of the front seat,
26:03
Speaker 1: and the blood matched to Sam. So there's just there
26:06
Speaker 1: was so much blood. It just dripped down and soaked
26:08
Speaker 1: into the seat. Even though he tried to clean up
26:10
Speaker 1: the surface blood, it was all in the actual foam.
26:14
Speaker 1: That yellow foam was just drenched in blood. Both Brandon
26:18
Speaker 1: and Dakota were charged with malice, murder, and concealing a death. Now,
26:22
Speaker 1: in May of twenty eighteen, Dakota White went on trial
26:25
Speaker 1: and was found guilty. Some believe the reason that he
26:28
Speaker 1: went on trial was for appials purposes, because he obviously
26:32
Speaker 1: confessed to police that he did it. He led him
26:34
Speaker 1: to the body, laid everything out. They believe that he
26:37
Speaker 1: went to trial so that he might have the option
26:40
Speaker 1: to appeal for you know, instead of making a plea deal,
26:44
Speaker 1: because if you make a plea deal, you can't appeal
26:46
Speaker 1: your sentencing down the line. And because they were thinking
26:51
Speaker 1: if the judge did since he was so young when
26:53
Speaker 1: this happened, they're thinking maybe they could appeal that it
26:56
Speaker 1: was cruel and unusual punishment since he was young, if
26:59
Speaker 1: the judge did a really long sentence. And the judge
27:04
Speaker 1: did do that, so he had the options of a
27:05
Speaker 1: minimum of thirty years or the max punishment, which was
27:08
Speaker 1: life in prison without pearl, and the judge went with
27:10
Speaker 1: the life in prison without pearl. So they were, you know,
27:14
Speaker 1: hoping that.
27:14
Speaker 2: So wood Chepper was not on the town. No, it
27:16
Speaker 2: was not.
27:17
Speaker 1: So since they went with life in prison without pearl,
27:20
Speaker 1: then they did try to appeal it later on down
27:22
Speaker 1: the line, saying it was a little bit extreme for
27:25
Speaker 1: a teenager poor, but everybody's like, fuck you you, Dakota.
27:32
Speaker 1: So Brandon Warren went on trial a week later and
27:35
Speaker 1: he was also found guilty and he was sentenced to
27:37
Speaker 1: life without pearl. And again, like I said, they piled
27:41
Speaker 1: these things and they were both held up in January
27:43
Speaker 1: twenty twenty by the Georgia Supreme Court their sentences, so
27:46
Speaker 1: they did not get out. Yeah. So anyway, so that's
27:51
Speaker 1: our case out of Georgia. Very disturbing. I found that
27:54
Speaker 1: just that two people could just randomly want to decide
27:58
Speaker 1: to kill somebody and then just go and do it.
28:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, suck them two girls that did that slender Man thing, yeah.
28:04
Speaker 1: Or the that was the ones that beat the girl
28:07
Speaker 1: in the did they kill her? I because there was
28:11
Speaker 1: another one where two teenage girls they tried to kill
28:14
Speaker 1: that one girl and she survived. I think that was
28:17
Speaker 1: the slender Man one.
28:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember the slender Man. They were like reading
28:23
Speaker 2: all those stories or something.
28:25
Speaker 1: Yeah about the slender Man online and decided to.
28:28
Speaker 2: Want wanted them to do it or something else.
28:32
Speaker 1: All right, So that'll conclude our case. Stu, do you
28:34
Speaker 1: have your y'all need Jesus?
28:35
Speaker 2: I always do you always?
28:38
Speaker 1: No, you don't always, but okay.
28:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, you still won't let me do. The Russian tourist
28:43
Speaker 2: in Thailand that was trying to have sex with I won't.
28:45
Speaker 1: I will. There's there are limits. Stewart to y'all need Jesus, okay.
28:48
Speaker 2: And then he got gored by said bowl.
28:50
Speaker 1: I already said skin flute, playing the skin flute earlier
28:53
Speaker 1: this episode. We have got to have some sort of decorum.
28:57
Speaker 2: We got to be We used our one, We used
29:01
Speaker 2: our one unclassy moment because of you. Yes, brainless cook
29:08
Speaker 2: cooks Wow. Brainless crooks busted for kidnapping next to a
29:14
Speaker 2: police department training center Florida or not dnapping. They kidnap
29:21
Speaker 2: somebody next to a police department training center, not Florida.
29:29
Speaker 2: Brainless crooks busted for kidnapping next to NYPD training center
29:34
Speaker 2: by Tina Moore and Natalie O'Neill may One from The
29:39
Speaker 2: New York Post. They picked the wrong Yes she does.
29:45
Speaker 2: I think she plays a good They picked the wrong
29:48
Speaker 2: spot for a kidnapping. A group of bumbling crooks were
29:51
Speaker 2: busted for allegedly forcing a victim into a car and
29:54
Speaker 2: holding him for ransom just feet from an NYPD training center.
29:59
Speaker 2: Police said there would be abductors allegedly lured the nineteen
30:04
Speaker 2: year old victim to the Okay new All trekt Avenue
30:08
Speaker 2: and seventy second Street in Bensonhurst at ten pm.
30:13
Speaker 1: So everyone, the four listeners in New York are really
30:16
Speaker 1: upset with you right now.
30:18
Speaker 2: You think for butchering on that they might not even
30:20
Speaker 2: know where this is. They might live in a different Burrow.
30:23
Speaker 2: Wednesday after a.
30:24
Speaker 1: Grain knows something about burrows.
30:26
Speaker 2: I know about burrowing Wednesday after a Grain to buy
30:30
Speaker 2: his car on Facebook marketplace, police said. When he arrived,
30:34
Speaker 2: six brutes, brutes really, that's how we're writing this allegedly
30:37
Speaker 2: pushed him into a vehicle.
30:39
Speaker 1: Tina's got them flare for the dramatics.
30:42
Speaker 2: You brute. They pushed him into the vehicle as one
30:47
Speaker 2: of them flashed a fake gun. According to cops, They
30:49
Speaker 2: then blindfolded him and demanded ten thousand from his cousin
30:53
Speaker 2: over the phone for his safe return, but the quick
30:57
Speaker 2: thinking cousin traced the victim's phone to the area as
30:59
Speaker 2: the kidnappers moved east, pinging it at Floyd Bennett Field,
31:04
Speaker 2: an NYPD training facility that's often crawling with cops.
31:08
Speaker 1: So they used the So they used the guy's phone,
31:11
Speaker 1: and I guess he had his shared location with his cousin.
31:14
Speaker 2: That's what it sounds like.
31:15
Speaker 1: And then he was able to pin it down. Yes, officers,
31:19
Speaker 1: weird to share your location with your cousin.
31:21
Speaker 2: I feel well, I mean, if you're tight with your cousin,
31:23
Speaker 2: I know, I feel.
31:24
Speaker 1: It's weird to shared location with anybody.
31:27
Speaker 2: I know you won't even share it with me because
31:29
Speaker 2: you're up to no good. Officers, I need you know
31:32
Speaker 2: when I'm at Target X, Starby's Starbucks. Officers from the
31:38
Speaker 2: sixty second and sixty third precincts along with Parks they
31:43
Speaker 2: got a park department police.
31:46
Speaker 1: I'm sure that in Central Park's pretty big.
31:48
Speaker 2: I guess they got their own police department. They rushed
31:50
Speaker 2: to the area and the alleged kidnappers were arrested at
31:53
Speaker 2: eleven to fifty pm. According to police, I would not
31:57
Speaker 2: be out trying to sell my car at night. The
32:00
Speaker 2: six men were in custody.
32:02
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why he shared his location, because he was
32:05
Speaker 1: going to sell the car and he's like, I need
32:07
Speaker 1: you to just keep an eye on me in case
32:08
Speaker 1: someone tries to murder me, rob me.
32:12
Speaker 2: Like you sent him out with a five hol of
32:14
Speaker 2: blunder on Facebook marketplace to meet somebody risking my life.
32:18
Speaker 2: I would never do that.
32:19
Speaker 1: I just have him come to the house, no.
32:22
Speaker 2: The six men, and have Honka bring it to the door.
32:25
Speaker 1: Yeah. I do that with the neighborhood people though, But
32:29
Speaker 1: they live in the neighborhood So what have they come
32:32
Speaker 1: to the house to buy stuff or like today someone
32:35
Speaker 1: came to borrow a pancake batter dispenser?
32:39
Speaker 2: No, yeah, yeah, anyway, the six men were in custody
32:43
Speaker 2: Thursday afternoon, with charge has been according to the NYPD.
32:47
Speaker 2: Victim reported a minor stomach injury. I would too, probably
32:50
Speaker 2: because my stomach hurt because I shipped my pants after
32:53
Speaker 2: six people kidnapped me.
32:56
Speaker 1: Oh lovely, lovely image. Okay, all right, so that's our
33:00
Speaker 1: y'all need Jesus way to go, stew.
33:02
Speaker 2: You're welcome, All of you are welcome.
33:07
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33:29
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33:31
Speaker 2: I'm not putting TikTok on my phone.
33:34
Speaker 1: What do you mean, they're already infiltrated, stew It's already
33:38
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33:42
Speaker 1: going to actually post on the TikTok, I think, and
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33:47
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33:58
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34:00
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34:04
Speaker 2: Besides, like, yes, everybody knows.
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Speaker 1: Everybody knows that it's the occasional like Instagram posts or
34:10
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34:14
Speaker 1: But I didn't realize I should be utilizing like TikTok
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34:23
Speaker 2: Yes, do I feel like our good to bad review
34:26
Speaker 2: ratio is pretty good right now? If we bring more
34:28
Speaker 2: people in, it could go the other one.
34:29
Speaker 1: Well, what do we tell already five stars only criticize
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Speaker 1: in the comments.
34:32
Speaker 2: Okay, we could go from a four point six to
34:34
Speaker 2: three point two.
34:35
Speaker 1: I don't I don't care. You know what. Some of
34:37
Speaker 1: these podcasts, you know, are terrible and they still have
34:40
Speaker 1: good ratings.
34:41
Speaker 2: So yeah, well they have lots of I don't have
34:43
Speaker 2: a feeling some people buy there.
34:44
Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's not get into that stuff. Has four
34:47
Speaker 1: hundred thousands be bitter betties over here?
34:50
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just saying if somebody has like three hundred
34:54
Speaker 2: thousand more than last podcast on the lap, it's fishy.
34:58
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, podcast on left isn't.
35:01
Speaker 2: For everybody, it's not, but you would think they would
35:03
Speaker 2: have more reviews telling them how bad they.
35:05
Speaker 1: I got some dramas about the last podcast and left
35:07
Speaker 1: with the whole thing where the one guy just dropped
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35:12
Speaker 1: that's neither here nor there.
35:13
Speaker 2: Just half him who who was on here?
35:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, but anyways, all right, Well someone's asking me to
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Speaker 1: give her markers, so I guess we will see you. Yeah,
35:24
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna go, okay, chop.
35:25
Speaker 2: This off like Lorana Bobbit.
35:27
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