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How We Navigate These Wild Times with Arizona Bell · Reclaiming Consciousness

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SPEAKER_00: I'm okay suffering with the loss of people that don't like me anymore.
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SPEAKER_00: Because that's meant to be.
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SPEAKER_00: We have been trained for so long, probably as long as you and I have been alive, to become more and more and more reliant on the state, on the government.
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SPEAKER_00: And our world has become more and more and more secular, meaning that the government becomes our God.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's not who we're born to be.
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SPEAKER_01: Welcome to Reclaiming Consciousness.
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SPEAKER_01: My name is Elise Bassine, spiritual mentor, breathwork practitioner, and owner and CEO of Elise Breeds.
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SPEAKER_01: For many years, our consciousness has been hijacked by societal and cultural programming, religion, the media, and familial and ancestral trauma.
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SPEAKER_01: Right now, during this epic time in history, people are waking up, realizing who they really are, and reclaiming the pieces of their consciousness that they unknowingly gave away.
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SPEAKER_01: This podcast is an exploration of how so many spectacular humans are leading the way in exiting the matrix and reclaiming who they really are and what they're capable of.
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SPEAKER_01: In this show, you'll meet exceptional people who are paving the way in raising consciousness and creating a new way of living on this earth.
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SPEAKER_01: Now let's dive in.
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SPEAKER_01: Hi everyone, welcome back to the show.
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SPEAKER_01: So I am really, really excited for this week because I've been waiting for this episode to come out for a while.
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SPEAKER_01: And this week I'm interviewing Arizona Bell.
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SPEAKER_01: And if you guys don't know her, you need to go give her a follow.
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SPEAKER_01: She started this company called Wild Times Media, which is basically a media company for thought leaders, conscious people, and people who are really taking a stand as leaders during this crazy time in history.
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SPEAKER_01: And she has her own podcast called Wild Times with Arizona Bell.
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SPEAKER_01: And she's having conversations, what she says, conversations that matter.
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SPEAKER_01: And also she was hosting these speakeasy events where they talk about like different things that are going on in the world, like the US Pluto return, which you've heard me talk about.
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SPEAKER_01: And I was actually on one of the panels in one of her uh speakeasies.
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SPEAKER_01: And that was really fun.
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SPEAKER_01: And we just really connected over having the same views on a lot of things, and both of us being super into going really deep into understanding what's really going on in the world and why we're seeing what we're seeing and making sense of it all.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's what we're doing in this conversation.
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SPEAKER_01: She's also an author.
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SPEAKER_01: Her book is called Soul Magic, and she's an amazing writer, which you'll probably be able to tell by listening to our conversation.
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SPEAKER_01: But you definitely want to follow her.
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SPEAKER_01: She has two different Instagrams.
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SPEAKER_01: I follow both of them.
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SPEAKER_01: One is just Arizona Bell, and the other one is her company, Wild Times Media.
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SPEAKER_01: So you definitely want to check her out and um and give her a follow because I know everybody is going to love her.
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SPEAKER_01: So I'm excited for you to connect with her.
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SPEAKER_01: And she is actually the reason why I found Rachel, who was on the episode before this, my new favorite astrologer who I'm now working with.
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SPEAKER_01: I actually found her because she was on Arizona's podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: So lots of connections.
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SPEAKER_01: And um, I know everybody's gonna love her so much.
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SPEAKER_01: So let's see, what do we have going on?
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SPEAKER_02: Hi everyone, welcome back to the show.
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SPEAKER_02: So I am super excited for today's guest.
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SPEAKER_02: So today we have Arizona Bell with us, who is a writer, speaker, and uh and visionary intent on shining more light in a darkening world.
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SPEAKER_02: She is the author of Soul Magic, Ancient Wisdom for Modern Mystics, and co-founder of Wild Times Media and host of the Wild Times with Arizona Bell podcast, which is so good, by the way, which provides conversations that matter with the courageous thought leaders who are helping us make sense of this wild time in history.
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SPEAKER_02: And we'll probably get into so much of that.
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SPEAKER_02: So welcome to the show, Arizona.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, it is such an honor, at least, to be on your podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for having me.
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SPEAKER_02: Yay! I'm so excited.
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SPEAKER_02: I don't even know, like, I know there's so much we have to talk about, and we only have an hour.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: So let's dive right in.
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SPEAKER_02: I'd love to just hear from you, like just your kind of awakening journey and how you got to where you are.
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SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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SPEAKER_00: How much time do you got?
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, so there's one part of me that's like I sort of feel like I came, I was born like resisting the matrix.
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SPEAKER_00: Like I came out and uh of my mom's womb and I had colic for six months.
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SPEAKER_00: I really do feel like I was wait, wait, wait, let me turn around.
8:54
SPEAKER_00: What the F?
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SPEAKER_00: I did not mean to do this.
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SPEAKER_00: I signed up way more than I bargained for.
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SPEAKER_00: So, in one sense, I never really quite fit into this world.
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SPEAKER_00: I definitely feel like I was born different and a little bit more like revolutionary-minded.
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SPEAKER_00: However, I grew up in a very mainstream society, neighborhood, everything.
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SPEAKER_00: Very, very cookie-cutter, American, suburb, Phoenix, the whole shebang, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: So it was like I was always fighting the reality.
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SPEAKER_00: Like I never liked everything that everybody did, but as a teenager, I tried and all that.
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SPEAKER_00: So I definitely like tried to fit in a little bit, but I never really quite fit in.
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SPEAKER_00: So as far as my awakening journey goes, I just remember always feeling out of place.
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SPEAKER_00: I went to a new world and it wasn't for me, but I'm gonna try my best.
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SPEAKER_00: So that was kind of my my uh you know, younger years.
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SPEAKER_00: And then in college, I thrived in college because it was like, okay, outside of my hometown, new stuff, new all that.
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SPEAKER_00: So I really started getting into spirituality.
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SPEAKER_00: I was actually almost a religious studies major in college.
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SPEAKER_00: I wish I were now.
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SPEAKER_00: I wish I would have done that.
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SPEAKER_00: But at the time everybody was like, what are you gonna do with that?
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SPEAKER_00: What are you gonna do with that?
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SPEAKER_00: Well, it turns out I work in the spirituality world.
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SPEAKER_00: It would have been a nice little thing to have on my bio, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Totally.
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SPEAKER_00: So I just I always kind of had a knack for um the esoteric stuff like that.
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SPEAKER_00: But I think I will say my my real awakening really truly, because I was always like half foot into this kind of esotericism and spirituality, and half into trying to fit into the real world and party and all that stuff, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: But I think my really big awakening came when my mom died.
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SPEAKER_00: I was 30, which sounds like old enough, but like I felt like five inside, you know, and I I think that no matter when you lose your mom, no matter if you're close to her or not, it's your first home.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's it's gonna shake your world up, right?
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SPEAKER_00: And it was like I was just coming out of my Saturn return, and it literally just blew my world apart in grief and loss, and not just losing my mom, but losing literally everything after that.
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SPEAKER_00: It was like the first domino, and that was so it was it brought me to my knees, and that is what essentially brought me to the real awakening of my life, I'll call it.
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SPEAKER_00: So I was, like I said, always dabbling, but that was the real big push.
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SPEAKER_00: So that was in 2015, and the world has become a totally different world since then.
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SPEAKER_00: So I think that I've just been deepening into the awakening, and by the time 2020 came around, I was pretty ready for what came.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, I was pretty, pretty ready to go.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh, okay, now's the time.
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SPEAKER_00: This is it.
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SPEAKER_00: This is you were born for this sort of a thing.
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SPEAKER_00: So I hope that answers your question.
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SPEAKER_00: That's a little bit of a background.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh my God, totally.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, I feel like we all kind of have those things that kind of like just kick our ass and make us become who we came here to be.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, I feel like for a lot of us too, like you and I, like we don't really have a choice.
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SPEAKER_02: We just have to.
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SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And if you don't, life is gonna make you.
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SPEAKER_02: So yeah, yeah, exactly.
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SPEAKER_02: So, how did you end up doing Wild Times Media?
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SPEAKER_02: Because I know that's like your your brand and your website.
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SPEAKER_02: And like, can you tell us a little bit about that and how that like came to fruition?
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SPEAKER_00: Sure, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So um, just picking up with my the death of my mother, I was in grief.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm still grieving, let's just be frank about that.
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SPEAKER_00: But I was in hardcore grief for about a year, just totally down in the gutter, suicidal, drinking, all that, and then really had my kick in the butt moment.
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SPEAKER_00: It was a surrender moment.
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SPEAKER_00: I fell to my knees and surrendered to, you know, what I call God, what anybody could call spirit, whatever the universe.
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SPEAKER_00: I surrendered and said, okay, take the wheel, let's go, because this is hard.
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SPEAKER_00: So when I did that, it was like a pivotal shift in my life.
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SPEAKER_00: And I woke up the next day after just for a total, complete breakdown, meltdown.
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SPEAKER_00: And like I knew what I had to do, I knew where I had to go.
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SPEAKER_00: I had to move here, I had to do this, do that.
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SPEAKER_00: And so ultimately, what came from that is I started a company called Spirit Guides Magazine, eventually morphed into Spirit Guides Media, which was basically a media company for spirituality.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was living in Sedona, Arizona at the time, and it was very woo, but more geared towards like an older audience.
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SPEAKER_00: And me being 30, I was like, you know what?
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SPEAKER_00: And like with my background in marketing and writing and all of that, I was like, you know, we can make this geared towards younger people.
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SPEAKER_00: There's a void here because younger people are wanting this just as much now, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: So that was kind of the intent with it, and it really kicked off, it grew really fast.
13:42
SPEAKER_00: So that was kind of the background, and that was going strong um until 2020.
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SPEAKER_00: And I basically went on a sabbatical with it because I needed to realign with the new world.
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SPEAKER_00: I knew that right away.
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SPEAKER_00: Like I said, I was ready.
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SPEAKER_00: So I knew we weren't going ever back to normal.
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SPEAKER_00: I wasn't buying all that stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, so I basically was like, okay, wait, how do we get on the leading edge of this now?
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SPEAKER_00: So ultimately I rebranded Spirit Guides Media to Wild Times Media to better reflect what I want to do in this world, which is, you know, our our kind of tagline is making sense of the changing world, one conversation at a time, because I knew we were changing drastically on every level, material, physical, uh, or spiritual, you know, every level we're gonna shift.
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SPEAKER_00: So how can we be on the front ends of that having the conversations that matter versus what I had already done with spirit guides?
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SPEAKER_00: Um, so that's kind of how Wild Times came to be and the intent behind it.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I love that so much.
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SPEAKER_02: And I love that you because I feel that way too, where I'm like, okay, how do I help people through this, or how do I lead people through this, or how do I guide people through this?
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SPEAKER_02: And I feel like that's exactly how you felt from like what you're describing of why you started that.
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SPEAKER_02: But I love to go back to like, okay, so 2020 hits, right?
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SPEAKER_02: And you you were prepared, you knew what was happening.
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SPEAKER_02: And I felt that way too.
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SPEAKER_02: Like, I think it took maybe it took me like a a couple weeks to be like, oh wait, this is like the time, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Because I remember, I remember when I was little, I would always have this just feeling inside of me that this was all gonna change soon.
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SPEAKER_02: Like this way that we were living was not sustainable.
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SPEAKER_02: Like it felt like there was an end date to it or something.
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SPEAKER_02: And then at a certain point in like 2020, after all the lockdowns and everything, I was like, oh, like this is that thing that I kept seeing, you know?
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SPEAKER_02: So I'm curious because like we know the world is changing and we know that we're changing, but when that happened, like for you, what did you go through like internally, if you don't mind sharing?
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SPEAKER_02: Like just your own process of change.
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SPEAKER_00: Sure.
15:51
SPEAKER_00: So, like at the time I was living in Spain, so you had to deal with that because everybody was being called home, right?
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SPEAKER_00: So everybody, you remember, you know, Trump being like, and everybody, every world leader being like, you need to come home.
16:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So so I was locked down in Spain, and I happened to be locked down with a very profound psychic who is my best best friend, you know, and she, for all intents and purposes, was a quote unquote conspiracy theorist forever.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I was very primed on what was coming, even without knowing the COVID stuff, right?
16:26
SPEAKER_00: I I already sort of had my mind wrapped around that.
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SPEAKER_00: So it was the internal thing for me was really because I wasn't talking about any of that stuff before on my podcast, Spirit Guides Radio, where you know, I had a quite a big following.
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SPEAKER_00: I was pretty talking about pretty out there stuff, like in the spiritual world, but not like deep, what's happening in the world stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: And so therefore, it was a I was very likable.
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SPEAKER_00: I was had a very likable show.
16:54
SPEAKER_00: I had very likable content.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, the world became something that needed to be addressed on that deeper level.
17:02
SPEAKER_00: And so my friend that I was locked down with was like, on your podcast, let's talk about it.
17:06
SPEAKER_00: Like, we're locked down, let's talk about what's going on.
17:08
SPEAKER_00: So the internal struggle for me was having to feel uncomfortable with talking about things that my base ultimately was going to be divided on.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, I I didn't know that at the time, how big the divide was gonna get, but it basically stepping into the okay, listen, this is what I know, this is my truth.
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SPEAKER_00: Some of you are not gonna like me because of it.
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SPEAKER_00: So, does that make sense?
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SPEAKER_00: So it was more like me coming into full authenticity.
17:33
SPEAKER_00: So, like I've always prided myself on being authentic.
17:36
SPEAKER_00: So, one thing I learned from all this was like I wasn't really being authentic.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, I was being authentic for like one part of myself, yeah, but I wasn't showing the whole picture.
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SPEAKER_00: And you know, COVID and everything that's happened since has pushed me into full authenticity.
17:52
SPEAKER_00: Um, and you know you're there when not everybody likes you.
17:57
SPEAKER_00: Before that, everybody liked Arizona Bell.
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SPEAKER_00: Somebody told me, you know, you're what you're the most liked person in the afterlife world and the spiritual.
18:03
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, well, that's hard to lose with a le as a Leo with an ego, right?
18:08
SPEAKER_00: That's hard to lose.
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SPEAKER_00: So yeah, that was my big sort of struggle was like the loss that comes with being fully you.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I could not relate to that more, you know, and that's something I still struggle with.
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SPEAKER_02: I feel like I mean, obviously on this podcast, I don't hold back, right?
18:24
SPEAKER_02: But I also feel like that was something I'm like a recovering people pleaser, and it's just always been so difficult for me to like have disagreements or have confrontations with people.
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SPEAKER_02: And 2020 and 2021 really forced me to step into authenticity.
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SPEAKER_02: Like I had to, um, because there was just certain things that I wasn't willing to compromise on.
18:50
SPEAKER_02: And, you know, my audience has heard me share this, but my husband and I are on very different wavelengths when it comes to when it came to COVID and what was going on in the world and the vaccine and all of this.
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SPEAKER_02: And it was the hardest thing for me, but it like forced me to step into this level of authenticity that I didn't even realize that I wasn't in before, you know.
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SPEAKER_02: So I like completely relate to everything that you're saying.
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SPEAKER_02: And it is, it was just something where I feel like energetically on the planet, we were kind of just pushed to step into this level with myself that it was like, oh shit, I can't be a people pleaser anymore.
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SPEAKER_02: Like there's no room for that if I'm gonna honor myself fully, but who I became as a result of that is like more than I could have ever even imagined.
19:42
SPEAKER_02: So I could relate to that so much.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, it's especially in the spiritual world, which you know we're both in, is like everybody thinks they're authentic.
19:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, everybody thinks that, but COVID came around and the whole everything that surrounded it and really forced us to deal with places we weren't authentic.
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SPEAKER_00: It really forced us to deal with the shadows, right?
20:03
SPEAKER_00: And and the bullshit, our own bullshit, like that we're we're hiding under covers or whatever.
20:09
SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, and how how much you stepped into that, I can see in people that I know is like how much you stepped into that or resisted that is basically how well you're doing now or not.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, and I know a lot of people that awakened to a lot of things and saw a lot of things, but chose not to lean into it.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and the suffering that comes with that ultimately to me, not a suffering I want to have.
20:32
SPEAKER_00: I'm okay suffering with the loss of people that don't like me anymore.
20:36
SPEAKER_00: Because that's meant to be right.
20:38
SPEAKER_00: If I'm being my 100% authentic self, shadows, everything included, all my drama, all my beliefs, it's all out there.
20:45
SPEAKER_00: And you don't like me, that's okay.
20:47
SPEAKER_00: You're not my person, you know?
20:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, a hundred percent.
20:50
SPEAKER_02: And that's kind of the thing that I got to.
20:52
SPEAKER_02: And even just I've shared a lot about how I was kind of forced to show up differently in my relationship.
20:59
SPEAKER_02: Um, in order for that to work and my life to work in general and my business and all of that.
21:05
SPEAKER_02: That was one of the things I came to too.
21:07
SPEAKER_02: Well, it's like, why would I not want to be a hundred percent authentic in my relationship?
21:11
SPEAKER_02: Because if I am and it doesn't work out, then that's what was meant to be, because that's who I truly am, you know?
21:18
SPEAKER_02: So it's it's the same thing.
21:20
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, so I completely relate to that.
21:22
SPEAKER_02: And then also I'm just curious, what is your take on everything we're seeing right now, everything we've been seeing since 2020?
21:31
SPEAKER_02: Like, what do you feel more for the collective?
21:34
SPEAKER_02: So we kind of talked about the changes you you experience within yourself, but what are some of like the overarching themes or important collective changes that you think we're experiencing right now?
21:45
SPEAKER_00: I don't practice, but I'm a grief coach.
21:48
SPEAKER_00: That was another thing that came from um, you know, my mom's death.
21:52
SPEAKER_00: And so I'm very, very versed in grief.
21:55
SPEAKER_00: And what we're dealing with right now on a collective level is collective trauma, but collective grief.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: Grief on every single level.
22:02
SPEAKER_00: Grief of what we thought the world was, grief on what we thought our futures were gonna be.
22:06
SPEAKER_00: Every single person had their dreams hijacked in one way or another.
22:09
SPEAKER_00: I had a book come out on August 2020, and I was supposed to go on a book tour and move to LA and be all fucking fancy and shit.
22:16
SPEAKER_00: But that didn't happen.
22:17
SPEAKER_00: Now I live in Mexico, live in La Vita Loca, and you know, it's so what you know what I'm saying?
22:22
SPEAKER_00: Like our dreams got hijacked.
22:24
SPEAKER_00: You know, people who are having kids are like, what world am I bringing kids in?
22:28
SPEAKER_00: I grieve for my kids.
22:29
SPEAKER_00: So we are going through grief on every level.
22:31
SPEAKER_00: Literally, we've lost people to death, we've lost communities, we've lost everything.
22:35
SPEAKER_00: So, and grief is just a change, right?
22:38
SPEAKER_00: So it's a transformation, and with death comes rebirth.
22:41
SPEAKER_00: So we are in that dying-death rebirth process on a collective level.
22:46
SPEAKER_00: And it's massive.
22:48
SPEAKER_00: And so that's why it feels so heavy.
22:51
SPEAKER_00: Personal grief is the biggest thing in your life, basically.
22:54
SPEAKER_00: It's the biggest transformer in your life.
22:57
SPEAKER_00: And so you take that and put seven billion people or whatever we're up to now.
23:01
SPEAKER_00: We're all feeling that.
23:02
SPEAKER_00: And that's why, even like in the midst of this stuff, even if our day-to-day life is more or less unaffected, say you were the least affected person by the whole COVID shabam, you're still gonna feel the collective energy, yeah, which is heavy and low and sad and grief.
23:19
SPEAKER_00: Grief is one of the lowest vibrations, right?
23:21
SPEAKER_00: So I believe we're going through this grief and rebirth process as a collective.
23:26
SPEAKER_00: So, do I think the end result is going to be a positive one?
23:30
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
23:30
SPEAKER_00: Do I think it's gonna get dark before it gets light?
23:33
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
23:34
SPEAKER_00: I think it's gonna get much darker.
23:36
SPEAKER_00: So everybody should gear up for that.
23:38
SPEAKER_00: Everybody should get your house in order, get your body in order, like gear up for hard times, but know that it's for the best.
23:45
SPEAKER_00: Because at the end of the day, my personal experience with grief, my mom was my best friend.
23:50
SPEAKER_00: It was the hardest thing I ever went through.
23:51
SPEAKER_00: But it was the best thing that ever happened to me as far as personal growth in my life goes and fulfilling my life's mission, which is what we're here to do.
24:00
SPEAKER_00: So that's what I believe is going on on a big theme collective level.
24:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, a hundred percent.
24:05
SPEAKER_02: I completely agree.
24:06
SPEAKER_02: And I also feel I was saying, I forget who I said this to.
24:11
SPEAKER_02: I talk so much, I forget who I'm talking to.
24:14
SPEAKER_02: But I was saying the other day about how, you know, how you like you're just describing, you look back on what happened with your mom and you can see why, even though at the time it was the hardest thing you ever went through, you can see why it happened, or you can see what came out of it.
24:31
SPEAKER_02: And I feel like that's what we're going to eventually do with this time is like, even though there's a lot of things happening right now that people don't understand or don't understand why it's happening, or feel like the world is completely going to shit, it's happening for this higher purpose that we're gonna look back and understand later on.
24:50
SPEAKER_02: And then the other thing I've really been feeling too is like this huge, and I'd love to get your perspective on this, is like this huge call for taking our power back and our sovereignty.
25:02
SPEAKER_02: So, like, for example, you know, all the stuff we're seeing on the world stage, like the abortion thing, the um inflation, like the gas prices, like all of these things, it's kind of like this invitation to instead of being reliant on these systems, it's like an opportunity to take our power back.
25:21
SPEAKER_02: So if it's like, okay, well, if inflation is happening, I'm gonna rely on my powers of creation to create more money.
25:29
SPEAKER_02: And then I'm not gonna have to worry about it.
25:30
SPEAKER_02: Or if it's about abortion, and I know this is kind of like a big thing to say here, but if it's about abortion, it's about, oh, well, how am I gonna take my power back within my own body and really focus on my powers of manifestation?
25:44
SPEAKER_02: So I get to intend what I create with my own body and I get to have the power within my own body, right?
25:51
SPEAKER_02: That I'm not relying on the laws or the systems.
25:54
SPEAKER_02: So I feel like it's this incredible call to take our own power and sovereignty back and take back the true power that we have to create reality.
26:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well said.
26:06
SPEAKER_00: I am 100% in alignment with you on that.
26:08
SPEAKER_00: I mean, sovereignty is the name of the game right now on every level, right?
26:12
SPEAKER_00: Um, and you know, this is hard because we have been trained for so long, probably as long as you and I have been alive and much longer than that, to become more and more and more reliant on the state, on the government.
26:24
SPEAKER_00: And our world has become more and more and more secular, meaning that the government becomes our God.
26:31
SPEAKER_00: And that's not who we're born to be.
26:33
SPEAKER_00: That's not who God made us to be.
26:36
SPEAKER_00: We are sovereign, we are made in the image of God.
26:38
SPEAKER_00: So it's it's an it's an inevitable breaking point, right?
26:41
SPEAKER_00: So these systems are gonna crumble and it's like frightening to a lot of people because we've been reliant on these systems.
26:48
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, you're totally right.
26:49
SPEAKER_00: Even with things as controversial as abortion, it is a callback for our own power, and it's a grow your own freaking food because the food system is gonna collapse.
26:59
SPEAKER_00: And you know, do this with your money because that is gonna collapse and and everything's going to collapse.
27:05
SPEAKER_00: And it and I get why that is frightening to most modern civilized people, but pendulums can swing too far one way, and we've swung too far into the convenience of the modern life and into the reliance on technology and governments and all these things.
27:20
SPEAKER_00: And what have we done in that process?
27:21
SPEAKER_00: We've gotten further away from nature, further away from the things that are naturally given to us by the creator.
27:27
SPEAKER_00: So we gotta swing back, you know, and I think that that's what's happening here.
27:31
SPEAKER_00: So I completely agree with you.
27:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I get why it's scary because we all want a savior.
27:36
SPEAKER_00: We all want a savior, but you're the savior, we're the savior.
27:40
SPEAKER_00: And when a bunch of us become sovereign and get and get together in groups, that's the real change.
27:46
SPEAKER_00: The communities that we build together based on these this idea of being sovereign.
27:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
27:51
SPEAKER_00: And that's beautiful because it's it's happening, it's what it's happening right now.
27:55
SPEAKER_00: You're you're seeing it happen.
27:56
SPEAKER_02: It's totally happening.
27:57
SPEAKER_02: And I also feel like the other thing that I think is so important around this, in order to like get to that place too where you are able to really like own and experience your sovereignty, you have to do that work too.
28:11
SPEAKER_02: Because I feel like what you're saying with like everyone wanting a savior, to me, well, first of all, it's a program, right?
28:17
SPEAKER_02: Like, we've been programmed to believe that even through you know religion and all of that, that someone else is gonna save us.
28:23
SPEAKER_02: And now the new religion is like science, right?
28:26
SPEAKER_02: Like science is gonna save you or the gods.
28:28
SPEAKER_00: Follow the science, follow the science.
28:30
SPEAKER_00: That is dogma.
28:31
SPEAKER_00: It's literally, I know it's a spell.
28:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it is a spell because it's like, okay, you're right, it is the new God is science, science and the state, and they happen to work in tandem, right?
28:39
SPEAKER_00: So it's like follow the science.
28:41
SPEAKER_00: Sorry to cut you off, but it's like it just bothers me.
28:43
SPEAKER_00: It's like follow the science.
28:44
SPEAKER_00: Okay, you've been saying that for a year.
28:46
SPEAKER_00: Did you read the Pfizer documents that just came out?
28:48
SPEAKER_00: Because the science says this is messed up.
28:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:50
SPEAKER_00: So to me, it's just another dogmatic thing.
28:52
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
28:53
SPEAKER_02: And I want to talk about that for a minute because something that's really been blowing my mind, and I'd love to get your perspective on this, is just like how the way that like once people have a belief system in place, right?
29:07
SPEAKER_02: For example, like follow the science.
29:08
SPEAKER_02: I keep getting so angry at this because I'm just like, if I hear one more person say, I'm like trusting the science or I'm following the science, I'm just like, what does that even mean?
29:17
SPEAKER_02: You're just like repeating something that to me is like one of those spell casting things where we say something over and over again, and it's like casting a spell where we just then are just like, okay, follow the science, right?
29:31
SPEAKER_02: But like, what does that even mean?
29:32
SPEAKER_02: And it blows my mind when all of these things surface, right?
29:36
SPEAKER_02: Like there's all of the science or studies coming out about like the lies that were told and the things that were covered up and like the Pfizer documents.
29:44
SPEAKER_02: But it's like, I feel like once people are in a certain like way of thinking, they can't even like see or acknowledge that.
29:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it is a spell, it is a program, and it's been going on for a long time before 2020, you know?
29:58
SPEAKER_00: And I think that in order for this, whatever you want to call it, this mass spell to even have a chance at succeeding, it had to be already well established, right?
30:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I guess that's kind of what I was saying is like I came into this world like not ever buying into the spell.
30:15
SPEAKER_00: I tried, yeah, I really tried, but like, and I and I don't know what it is.
30:18
SPEAKER_00: I don't know why some people are more prone to it or not, but you're right.
30:22
SPEAKER_00: It it is a spell.
30:23
SPEAKER_00: I mean, everything has been a chance.
30:25
SPEAKER_00: It's follow the science.
30:26
SPEAKER_00: I can't breathe, all this stuff.
30:27
SPEAKER_00: It's like, well, okay, where is that coming from?
30:31
SPEAKER_00: Right.
30:31
SPEAKER_00: And I think this is what we are getting to is like, that's not a sovereign thought.
30:35
SPEAKER_00: That's a thought that was repeated to you on whichever your favorite news channel is, or from your friends who are peer pressuring you to do this, otherwise you're not woke or whatever.
30:47
SPEAKER_00: That's not your sovereign thought.
30:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:49
SPEAKER_00: Because the science you're following, in all likelihood, if science is your religion, is bought.
30:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:56
SPEAKER_00: You know, so it's like in one day in one land far, far away, I'm sure science was just science.
31:04
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure it was well intended, and people just wanted to realize what was going on and figure out the mysteries of the world.
31:10
SPEAKER_00: But in 2020, or you know, 2022, now these doctors are just signing off on things that pharma did the science on.
31:18
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
31:19
SPEAKER_00: So it's like that's not a conspiracy, these are facts.
31:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, is actually like out there.
31:24
SPEAKER_00: Like you can research it and see it for yourself.
31:27
SPEAKER_00: Like it's not.
31:28
SPEAKER_00: You say that the follow the science thing makes you mad.
31:30
SPEAKER_00: What makes me mad is the conspiracy theory thing because it's like that makes me really.
31:34
SPEAKER_00: Oh, there is a conspiracy, but it's against you, honey.
31:37
SPEAKER_00: Like, yes, we can go into all these things that are actually like conspiracy people don't know exactly.
31:42
SPEAKER_00: But what is actually being talked about here, especially with the COVID stuff, is like, no, no, no, these are facts here.
31:48
SPEAKER_00: Like this actually happened.
31:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is actual data, but you the science you're reading is bought by somebody who wants it to read that way, right?
31:55
SPEAKER_00: And that's the difference.
31:56
SPEAKER_00: Whereas I'm going straight to the source.
31:58
SPEAKER_02: And also, I feel like the other thing about it's not just even like the way that it is bought, and yes, it totally is, but it's also just like the way it's kind of been conveyed in a cultural sense, which is another thing that kind of blows my mind, where it's conveyed in the sense of like, well, if you are a good person, if you're educated, if you understand like what's going on, then this is what you do.
32:23
SPEAKER_02: And these are the types of things that I feel like I've always like similar to you, I've always questioned that type of stuff.
32:29
SPEAKER_02: Cause again, this is not the first time this type of thing is happening, but now we're just seeing it on this very like dramatic scale.
32:37
SPEAKER_02: But there's always been these programs or ways of thinking where it's like, well, this is what you do, right?
32:43
SPEAKER_02: And it's like, but why is that what I do?
32:46
SPEAKER_00: Like, that doesn't make sense, which is the spell, right?
32:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
32:50
SPEAKER_00: Because at the end of the day, most people are good people, okay.
32:54
SPEAKER_00: So people that are under a spell are good people, okay?
32:58
SPEAKER_00: But you gotta think about it this way.
33:00
SPEAKER_00: Because just you saying, like, oh, you know, if I'm a good person and I read this and I and this is what I do.
33:05
SPEAKER_00: If I'm a good person, I for instance get medical treatment that's gonna save everybody in the middle of a pandemic.
33:11
SPEAKER_00: Like that makes sense, right?
33:12
SPEAKER_00: And all the science proves that.
33:15
SPEAKER_00: But if you were an evil person, where would you hide your evil thing?
33:20
SPEAKER_00: Under good causes?
33:22
SPEAKER_00: Probably.
33:23
SPEAKER_00: You know, evil doesn't just come out like a devil and like scare everybody.
33:28
SPEAKER_00: Evil is sly and hides behind good causes.
33:30
SPEAKER_00: So most people don't understand if they don't look deeply themselves that they're potentially supporting things that they would never support if they actually knew.
33:41
SPEAKER_00: But it's hard to see that when you are under that program or spell.
33:45
SPEAKER_00: Totally.
33:46
SPEAKER_02: And and this is also where I really truly believe that the it associates like the inner work is completely mirrors the outer work, right?
33:55
SPEAKER_02: So because I think that when you do that deeper inner work and you start to dig deeper within yourself and start to question, well, why do I think this way?
34:03
SPEAKER_02: Why do I have these beliefs about myself?
34:06
SPEAKER_02: Why do I look at the world this way?
34:08
SPEAKER_02: Then once you naturally are like inclined to do that, then you naturally do that with the stuff you're seeing in the world, right?
34:18
SPEAKER_02: And you start to question that and you start to get curious about that.
34:21
SPEAKER_02: And again, it's not about thinking that every single thing is a lie, even though it kind of is.
34:26
SPEAKER_02: It's it's it's really about yeah, right.
34:29
SPEAKER_02: It's really about even though, even though yes.
34:33
SPEAKER_02: Right, right, right.
34:34
SPEAKER_02: Like that's eventually you get to that, right?
34:37
SPEAKER_02: But I think it's also about just getting curious of like, well, why is this being shown to me like this?
34:43
SPEAKER_02: And why you don't take things at face value anymore because you naturally start to realize that there's always way more underneath the surface, and you're just always naturally looking at it that way, right?
34:54
SPEAKER_02: So I and I think that you really can't have one thing without the other.
34:59
SPEAKER_02: Like, I see so many people where it's like they might be looking at figuring out like what's going on in the world, but if they're not doing the inner work along with that, they'll just get lost in this like slew of information and get totally overwhelmed, like going down rabbit holes and all of that.
35:16
SPEAKER_02: And if you don't have like the inner work and like the spiritual knowledge and understanding to like cope with that, I feel like it can just make you crazy, right?
35:26
SPEAKER_02: So I feel like you have to kind of have both things together.
35:30
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I 100% agree.
35:31
SPEAKER_00: Like I've noticed this like for a long time, not just with the COVID stuff, but it's like if you can't go deep within yourself, you can't, you're not gonna go deep within the world, right?
35:39
SPEAKER_00: Right?
35:39
SPEAKER_00: You're not like if you can't get to the source of your stuff, you're not gonna get to the source of the world stuff.
35:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
35:46
SPEAKER_00: If you're distracting yourself from yourself, you're gonna distract yourself from the real truth of what's going on in the world too.
35:52
SPEAKER_00: So I totally, you know, it's like as within, as without, as above, so below, right?
35:55
SPEAKER_00: It's like that's a law.
35:56
SPEAKER_00: So I 100% agree with you.
35:58
SPEAKER_00: Like that mirror effect is definitely happening.
36:01
SPEAKER_00: And on one hand, I can't blame people.
36:03
SPEAKER_00: It's really hard work, you know.
36:05
SPEAKER_00: It's really, really hard work both internally and externally.
36:08
unknown: Yeah.
36:09
SPEAKER_00: The dark stuff you see, both within yourself and and in the world.
36:12
SPEAKER_00: Like it ain't for the faint of heart.
36:14
SPEAKER_00: No.
36:16
SPEAKER_00: Like it's hard, you know, it's hard to look at.
36:19
SPEAKER_00: So I can't even blame people, honestly.
36:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
36:22
SPEAKER_02: But I also think that a lot of people just get to a point where they they kind of realize they don't really have a choice.
36:30
SPEAKER_02: I know for me, I got pushed to a certain point in many different times in my life where it was like I had to go down that spiritual path.
36:39
SPEAKER_02: Like I didn't really have a choice.
36:41
SPEAKER_02: And I think that a lot of people get to that point where it just becomes so uncomfortable to be where they are.
36:47
SPEAKER_02: And then I honestly too, I also really feel just from like working in the Akashic Records and all of that, I do feel like there's some people who are probably not meant to awaken in this lifetime.
36:59
SPEAKER_02: And that's also okay.
37:01
SPEAKER_02: You know, I feel like that's important to say because I don't think that everybody needs to wake up.
37:07
SPEAKER_02: And I think that that's one thing that some people misunderstand or like I don't know.
37:12
SPEAKER_00: I just feel like, and that's okay too.
37:14
SPEAKER_00: Right.
37:15
SPEAKER_00: No, yeah, I think we all have a role to play in this, and it's different for everybody, and nothing's right or wrong.
37:20
SPEAKER_00: I believe this is happening how it's meant to happen.
37:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
37:24
SPEAKER_00: And I agree with you.
37:24
SPEAKER_00: Some some people won't wake up, and it's okay as somebody that is awakened to like be okay with that, like with people in your family and your friends and things like that.
37:35
SPEAKER_00: Um, because we love people, so we want them to wake up.
37:38
SPEAKER_00: We want to shake them awake, you know?
37:40
SPEAKER_00: But the best thing you can do is surrender and let them experience their own path.
37:44
SPEAKER_00: Because at the end of the day, we didn't, we weren't on the other side when they made their soul contracts.
37:49
SPEAKER_00: Well, we maybe we were, but like we don't know.
37:51
SPEAKER_00: We don't know what their soul contracts are, right?
37:52
SPEAKER_00: We don't know.
37:53
SPEAKER_00: We can only be responsible for ourselves.
37:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I always say to people, you have to respect the person's incarnation.
38:00
SPEAKER_02: Like you said, you don't know what their soul contracts are.
38:02
SPEAKER_02: So I'm curious to know now, how do you think this is all going to evolve?
38:07
SPEAKER_02: And I know obviously we don't know exactly, but I'm just curious.
38:12
SPEAKER_02: I know for me, sometimes I'll get like little like blips or or little things where I'm like, oh, I think that might happen, or I think this might happen.
38:19
SPEAKER_02: Like I'm curious to know just kind of what your vision is for the future if you see anything particular happening.
38:26
SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, I moved to Mexico, if that tells you anything.
38:30
SPEAKER_00: So I don't know.
38:33
SPEAKER_00: Um, I think that there's a lot of like possible timelines because I've had visions of like multiple things, and I and I have some pretty powerfully psychic friends that kind of see stuff.
38:44
SPEAKER_00: But I don't think the the wars and the power grabs and the shifts towards authoritarianism is going to go away anytime soon.
38:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
38:53
SPEAKER_00: So I do think something big is going to happen, and I don't know exactly what that is.
38:57
SPEAKER_00: Like something big, big, and whether it's real or it's a false flag.
39:01
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
39:02
SPEAKER_00: But I I feel like something big, big is going to happen and it's going to, you know, sort of usher in this worldwide fear again and usher in this, you know, need for a worldwide government.
39:13
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that that's where this is going.
39:15
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, so I do see that happening.
39:18
SPEAKER_00: I hope that enough people will like kind of be fed up with the bullshit and kind of see through it at that point, where at least there's a chance for a revolution, and then there's a chance for you know, rebuilding, you know, every the spiritual world they like to talk about, like creating the new earth.
39:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
39:34
SPEAKER_00: Well, the old earth is gonna have to fall first, right?
39:37
SPEAKER_00: There's that quote that says, the old world is dying and the new struggles to be born.
39:40
SPEAKER_00: Now is the time of monsters, right?
39:42
SPEAKER_00: So that's where we're at right now.
39:44
SPEAKER_00: Like the old world is crumbling.
39:46
SPEAKER_00: I mean, look, the governments are crumbling.
39:48
SPEAKER_00: Like America's obviously on the decline.
39:51
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, and I'm not laughing.
39:53
SPEAKER_00: I say that because it's just so obvious.
39:54
SPEAKER_00: And we are going through America's going through the Pluto return.
39:57
SPEAKER_00: What's Pluto return?
39:58
SPEAKER_00: It's destruction, right?
40:00
SPEAKER_00: But I think that we have to do that destruction just like the death process in order to rebuild.
40:05
SPEAKER_00: So I'm not a psychic and I'm not I'm not gonna predict like specifics.
40:09
SPEAKER_00: Basically, what I tell people is like nothing would surprise me at this point.
40:12
SPEAKER_00: Like nothing.
40:13
SPEAKER_00: We could have a real or fake alien invasion.
40:16
SPEAKER_00: Jesus could come down on a cloud.
40:18
SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna be shocked.
40:19
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
40:20
SPEAKER_00: I'm just not like anything is game at this point.
40:22
SPEAKER_00: But I think that there is gonna be like a massive, like, yeah, worldwide crumbling, whether it's the the economy crashes or or the food crashes or the grit, something's gonna crash and everything's gonna go to shit.
40:33
SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, and we're gonna have to learn how to be sovereign.
40:36
SPEAKER_00: So that's that's my like overall general thought is like it's gonna crash, we're gonna have to learn how to be sovereign, but it's going to be for building a building back better, not to be tongue-in-cheek therapy.
40:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, I totally agree with you, and I do, I do think something big is gonna happen too.
40:57
SPEAKER_02: And also just looking at like, I've been really obsessed with the this thing that's happening at the I think it's in the end of July where it's like Uranus is um conjunct with the North Node and Taurus and Mars, which is sounds like it's gonna be a crazy astrological event because Uranus is like sudden unexpected changes.
41:20
SPEAKER_02: And yeah, it's it sounds pretty uh explosive.
41:23
SPEAKER_02: It does, it does.
41:25
SPEAKER_02: I've been listening to a bunch of stuff about it.
41:27
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, oh shit.
41:28
SPEAKER_02: And I always get, you know, I'm a Scorpio, so I get like obsessed with stuff like that, where I'm like, I need to find out everything.
41:33
SPEAKER_02: Like when I learned about the Pluto return, I was like, I need to find out everything I can about this, you know.
41:39
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, for sure.
41:40
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so you're a Scorpio.
41:42
SPEAKER_00: So I'm a Scorpio rising with Scorpio and Saturn and Mars.
41:45
SPEAKER_00: So I'm oh wow, even though I'm a Leo, I'm ready to fucking dive deep, right?
41:49
SPEAKER_00: So that that makes sense.
41:51
SPEAKER_00: I think it's a blessing in this time to be a Scorpio.
41:53
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, me too.
41:54
SPEAKER_02: I mean, similar to what you shared, like my whole life I could see outside of the matrix.
42:01
SPEAKER_02: I always was kind of like, fuck, are these like what are we doing here?
42:05
SPEAKER_02: Like it just didn't make sense to me.
42:07
SPEAKER_02: Like I'd always think about, you know, just like everything that was going on, like going to school or like the way things were set up, and I would just be like, this doesn't make any sense.
42:17
SPEAKER_02: This is obviously set up for us to fail, you know?
42:21
SPEAKER_02: Like, and then when I was a school counselor too, it was even more because I was just this whole thing is rigged against, especially because I worked with minorities and stuff, and I would be like, this whole thing is rigged against them.
42:32
SPEAKER_02: They're never like it's meant for them to stay there, you know what I mean?
42:36
SPEAKER_02: So always I was kind of pondering those things.
42:40
SPEAKER_02: So I could always see outside of it, which I do think is a blessing because I feel like there was a lot of people in 2020 who were kind of hit with this wake-up call.
42:51
SPEAKER_02: And similar to what you said before, I think everyone who leaned into it is doing better now, and everyone who's resisting is is struggling for sure.
43:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
43:01
SPEAKER_00: I want to say something because you brought up the education stuff.
43:03
SPEAKER_00: Because when you yeah, when you look back, it's like, wow, I went to college and was totally indoctrinated.
43:07
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
43:08
SPEAKER_00: Totally.
43:09
SPEAKER_00: And I remember my dad who I was not very close with, and he, so I I didn't need any reason more reasons to like dislike him.
43:16
SPEAKER_00: He was like, Oh, you don't need to go to college.
43:18
SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't want to pay for your college because you don't need to go to college.
43:20
SPEAKER_00: And I was so mad about it.
43:22
SPEAKER_00: But like I see him now.
43:23
SPEAKER_00: He was this black sheep, like outside the system, and he thought more important to spend money going to a trade school or investing in an idea or taking, you know what I mean?
43:32
SPEAKER_00: So it's like at the time I thought I knew it all, but like now looking back, it's like, wow, like where did all this come from?
43:38
SPEAKER_00: Because I'm pretty like at this point, apolitical, right?
43:40
SPEAKER_00: Two wings of the same bird crashing down.
43:43
SPEAKER_00: All this I grew up in a very conservative area.
43:46
SPEAKER_00: I went to college and I'm like gay, so it was like, oh, well, I'm obviously gonna become a liberal and like drink all that Kool-Aid, right?
43:54
SPEAKER_00: But like I never really did.
43:56
SPEAKER_00: Like, I did, but I was like, I never felt comfortable in it.
43:58
SPEAKER_00: I was like, I don't even like.
44:00
SPEAKER_00: This you know what I mean?
44:01
SPEAKER_00: So, like now, looking back as a 37-year-old, I'm like, wow, I really just was like never comfortable in like these certain situations and in these environments and in these groups.
44:09
SPEAKER_00: I never was comfortable with identity politics.
44:11
SPEAKER_00: I never was like, Yeah, pride.
44:13
SPEAKER_00: Like, I just never did, and I thought I was weird or something.
44:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but at the end of the day, it was just like I really was resisting being part of this hive mind, yeah.
44:22
SPEAKER_00: That you're not thinking for yourself.
44:24
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
44:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:25
SPEAKER_00: Well, no matter what side, any side, up, down, left, right, doesn't matter.
44:28
SPEAKER_00: Like, if you're part of a hive mind, you're not thinking for yourself.
44:31
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
44:32
SPEAKER_02: And that's the thing that I think that's been really triggering me, I guess you could say, with all of this stuff, because it's just like they throw a grenade in like the abortion thing, and then everybody just has to like have the reaction that they're supposed to have, you know, where it's like, okay, well, I'm pro-choice, so I'm gonna get really angry about this thing, right?
44:54
SPEAKER_02: And you're just like supposed to react in this certain way because you believe this certain thing.
44:59
SPEAKER_02: And it's like, wait, hold on, like, where is this all coming from?
45:03
SPEAKER_02: Like, I totally agree with you because I've always felt that way too, where I'm like, wait, but I don't identify with any of this, it has nothing to do with like who I truly am.
45:13
SPEAKER_02: And I think, you know, what's been done to us as a culture, as a as humans, is our like humanness has been like gradually stripped away from us in the sense of our intuition and our psychic abilities and our gifts.
45:29
SPEAKER_02: And it's been like replaced by like these identities that we're supposed to have.
45:34
SPEAKER_02: But really, what ends up happening is because we're so disnected from ourselves and our abilities, we believe lies because we can't feel that they're lies.
45:45
SPEAKER_02: Like, I know for me, you know, when all this stuff was happening, and I can feel when we're being lied to, like I can feel when something doesn't add up.
45:53
SPEAKER_02: Like, and it's not like I can say, like, oh, that thing, it doesn't make sense, but I'm just like, no, I can feel.
45:59
SPEAKER_02: And that was one of the things that my husband and I like would argue about all the time.
46:03
SPEAKER_02: I would be like, I can't tell you anything other than I know on a very deep level that this is bad.
46:11
SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm like, I can't tell you how I know, I can just feel it.
46:15
SPEAKER_02: And he's like, Well, I can't rely on that.
46:17
SPEAKER_02: Like, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.
46:20
SPEAKER_00: I know.
46:21
SPEAKER_00: I think it's a really important thing to bring up because it's like basically over time we've been sterilized of anything spiritual, right?
46:29
SPEAKER_00: Or of like our connection to spirit ourselves, yeah.
46:32
SPEAKER_00: And therefore, we connect to the material world, you know.
46:36
SPEAKER_00: We connect to, okay, that like I was saying, the government or the state or who whoever education, that's who's gonna who's gonna tell me what the truth is.
46:44
SPEAKER_00: Because we've been stripped of our a connection to the creator, yeah.
46:48
SPEAKER_00: That's the direct source connection, yeah, right?
46:52
SPEAKER_00: So exactly.
46:53
SPEAKER_00: So that's an important distinguishing factor, I think, in like this great divide, too.
46:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
46:58
SPEAKER_00: At least as far as I can see, spiritually anchored versus not.
47:02
SPEAKER_02: Yes, exactly.
47:03
SPEAKER_02: And I think that's what we're seeing more and more is those that are anchored in spiritually and awakening spiritually are having a very different experience of reality than those who are not.
47:17
SPEAKER_02: And I always say this, but because I think it's so important.
47:20
SPEAKER_02: I don't know if you know Barbara Marciniak, but she channels the Pleiadians and she's like, I'm a great student of hers.
47:26
SPEAKER_02: I've been for many years.
47:27
SPEAKER_02: I highly recommend getting her books or listening to her.
47:30
SPEAKER_02: She puts out like a weekly channeling.
47:33
SPEAKER_02: She always says that, you know, there's gonna be what she refers to as the splitting of the world.
47:40
SPEAKER_02: And it's going to be split between those who trust and those who don't trust.
47:46
SPEAKER_02: And like those who trust are the ones who are like anchored into their spirituality and trusting for themselves and their abilities and their abilities to create, right?
47:56
SPEAKER_02: And those who don't trust are the ones who are like, you know, putting their trust in science or in the government or you know what I mean?
48:03
SPEAKER_02: And they're choosing like this different reality.
48:05
SPEAKER_02: And it's literally like there's going to be these two realities playing out at the same time, essentially.
48:11
SPEAKER_02: And we're seeing that already.
48:13
SPEAKER_00: Right.
48:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
48:13
SPEAKER_00: I like that you're you've described it that way.
48:15
SPEAKER_00: And it's exactly right, like putting your trust in something.
48:18
SPEAKER_00: To me, it's faith or fear, right?
48:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
48:20
SPEAKER_00: So it's like you're putting your faith in this spiritual connection, this intuition, this, your higher self, whatever you want to call it, your your direct connection to to the source of whatever, or you're making fear-based decisions and putting your trust into these things of the world.
48:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
48:35
SPEAKER_00: It's the seen versus the unseen.
48:36
SPEAKER_00: Is it you know, it's hard for people to trust in things they can't see.
48:39
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
48:40
SPEAKER_00: Unless they have a spiritual mastery of some sort.
48:43
SPEAKER_00: So it's it's where are you investing right now?
48:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
48:47
SPEAKER_02: Where are you investing?
48:48
SPEAKER_02: I love that.
48:49
SPEAKER_02: You know, I also feel like kind of the way we were talking about like that connection being stripped.
48:54
SPEAKER_02: We've also been programmed that if we can't see something, it doesn't exist, you know, or that all of that, the unseen, is just like made up or something when really like you know, the government uses psychics and astrology, right?
49:07
SPEAKER_02: So exactly.
49:08
SPEAKER_02: But but they tell us that it's crazy, right?
49:11
SPEAKER_00: Well, there it's it's like that you it's two sides of the coin, right?
49:13
SPEAKER_00: It's the same energy.
49:15
SPEAKER_00: There's black magic and white magic, right?
49:17
SPEAKER_00: So it's yeah, of course they're using it too.
49:19
SPEAKER_00: Obviously.
49:20
SPEAKER_02: But you know, we've kind of been programmed to believe that all of those things that are unseen are not real.
49:27
SPEAKER_02: So it is harder to trust in that because it requires you to go to a deeper level within yourself, right?
49:34
SPEAKER_00: And to anybody like, I'm sure all of your listeners are in the trust category, but if anyone's listening that's that finds struggle with that, it's like it's a simple test.
49:42
SPEAKER_00: You be the scientist, do a hypothesis, test trusting and test fear, see what happens.
49:47
SPEAKER_00: I love that.
49:48
SPEAKER_00: You know, we obviously like by default, most of us make you know fear-based decisions unless we've done the work, but just trust.
49:54
SPEAKER_00: I mean, this happened to my friend the other day.
49:56
SPEAKER_00: She had to make a decision not knowing a certain thing that was important, but you had she had to make the decision.
50:03
SPEAKER_00: And she put and she it was hard for her, but she put her trust in the trust, right?
50:08
SPEAKER_00: She she had faith.
50:09
SPEAKER_00: And then literally a couple hours later, the thing that was unknowable, it was a law, came in and it went in her favor.
50:14
SPEAKER_00: And it was like a literally like a direct manifestation of that trust happening.
50:18
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I got to witness that.
50:20
SPEAKER_00: You know, I've witnessed it myself a million times, but I got to see somebody else like go through that.
50:23
SPEAKER_00: And it's like, see what happens when you put your faith in?
50:26
SPEAKER_02: A hundred percent.
50:27
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I see that kind of stuff happening all the time with myself and with clients.
50:32
SPEAKER_02: Like a lot of times too, I'll get like a hit where it's like I can read energy, so I can see what the energetic block is from a certain thing.
50:40
SPEAKER_02: So I'm like, okay, well, if I do that, or if I if I like cut that cord with that person or I end this thing, it's gonna open up this thing so that something else can come in.
50:50
SPEAKER_02: And like nine times out of ten, it happens immediately.
50:53
SPEAKER_02: I do that thing, I put that boundary, I cut that cord, I say that thing, and then like the other thing just like immediately shows up.
51:00
SPEAKER_02: You know, it's like it's like just trusting in like what you can feel.
51:05
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
51:06
SPEAKER_00: It's powerful.
51:07
SPEAKER_00: And again, like just try it.
51:09
SPEAKER_00: It's powerful.
51:10
SPEAKER_00: It's that's what I'm saying.
51:12
SPEAKER_00: Like, trust the science, do your own science.
51:15
SPEAKER_00: Like, it's it's immediate, most of the times immediate, and if not immediate, like you know, you're you're gonna see results from that.
51:21
SPEAKER_00: And so to me, it's like that's again back to where are you investing your spirit right now?
51:26
SPEAKER_00: Where are you investing your time?
51:27
SPEAKER_00: Where are you even investing your money?
51:29
SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, we should be spiritually, you know, working out right now.
51:33
SPEAKER_00: We should be getting buff in spirit.
51:36
SPEAKER_00: So go to the go to the spirit gym, you know.
51:38
SPEAKER_02: That's all I love that so much.
51:41
SPEAKER_02: I well, it's true, because it also goes back to to what I always say too about where are you putting your consciousness, right?
51:48
SPEAKER_02: Because that is the most important thing.
51:50
SPEAKER_02: Like all of like the overlords or whatever you want to call them are like harvesting our consciousness, right?
51:56
SPEAKER_02: So it's like put your attention here, get mad about abortion, get mad about inflation, get mad about Ukraine or get afraid of that.
52:04
SPEAKER_02: And that's where you're putting your energy.
52:07
SPEAKER_02: So when you're putting your energy there, you're not using it to be this like divine creator being that you're meant to be to create something new, right?
52:14
SPEAKER_02: If you put all your energy there.
52:17
SPEAKER_02: So, but if you take that back and you actually use your consciousness to create, then you know, you're creating beyond that.
52:26
SPEAKER_02: And that's how we create something new.
52:27
SPEAKER_02: So it's like, where are you putting your consciousness?
52:30
SPEAKER_00: 100%.
52:31
SPEAKER_00: It's like, and this has been shown throughout history in revolutions, like this isn't just woo talk, like it's like building a parallel society instead of focusing on destroying the old world or or fixing the old world or putting your energy into the old world, completely take it back and start your new world.
52:49
SPEAKER_00: Like the best thing you can do right now, you know, if if you're really mad about everything, get a group of friends together and buy some land and make a new community.
52:57
SPEAKER_00: Yes, create something new and then expand, you know.
53:00
SPEAKER_00: Like that's how we build the new earth.
53:02
SPEAKER_00: We don't do it by working in this fucked up system.
53:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, a hundred percent.
53:07
SPEAKER_00: Don't focus on burning down the committees, build your own committees, you know, like that's it's kind of that idea.
53:12
SPEAKER_00: And I think that that's gonna make strides into building the new world, much more than trying to operate in something that is just dead.
53:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, totally.
53:20
SPEAKER_02: And you can feel it's dead too.
53:22
SPEAKER_02: Like, even when I look at politicians or just people on TV, I just look at them and I'm like, are they even like real people?
53:29
SPEAKER_02: Like, it just doesn't even seem real to me.
53:32
SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm just like how is this how is this real that like our president is our president, right?
53:37
SPEAKER_00: Like, we don't even have to look.
53:38
SPEAKER_00: We can go to the highest law office of the land.
53:40
SPEAKER_00: Like, really?
53:41
SPEAKER_00: How are we okay with this?
53:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're not okay with this.
53:44
SPEAKER_00: Obviously, polls say most people aren't okay with it.
53:47
SPEAKER_00: So it's like, right, fuck it, let's find a new president.
53:50
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like America was built on revolution, that we're going through the Pluto return.
53:54
SPEAKER_00: So let's declare independence.
53:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's coming full circle.
53:57
SPEAKER_02: I think that's where we're headed, you know.
53:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's coming full circle for sure.
54:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I totally agree.
54:02
SPEAKER_02: I totally agree.
54:03
SPEAKER_02: So, what advice would you have for people just navigating these times?
54:08
SPEAKER_02: Because I know you are a thought leader in that sense.
54:11
SPEAKER_02: So, like, what would you say to people who are like just waking up or just looking for like that guiding light of like how, what is the best way to get through these times?
54:21
SPEAKER_00: Ooh, yeah.
54:22
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the first thing that comes to my mind is to find your people.
54:27
SPEAKER_00: And unfortunately, the hardest part of this entire time is the way that it's affecting relationships, and that can be family, friends, anybody, anybody that you're close to.
54:40
SPEAKER_00: You know, we're finding that family is beyond blood and what really is friendship.
54:45
SPEAKER_00: And the divide is so strong, it is almost like we're living in two different worlds, two different realities, two different timelines.
54:51
SPEAKER_00: It's that is real.
54:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
54:52
SPEAKER_00: So I think finding your people, you're gonna lose people.
54:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so you gotta find your people, whether that's in your hometown, online, there's a lot of online communities now, obviously.
55:03
SPEAKER_00: Um, it's really important that you don't do this alone because you can go crazy.
55:07
SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, yes, a hundred percent.
55:10
SPEAKER_00: You can go crazy.
55:11
SPEAKER_00: So finding community, obviously, if if you you know your podcast listeners have found community with what you're doing, and there's there's so much out there now, luckily, you know, um that's that's emerging.
55:23
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
55:23
SPEAKER_00: There's probably more in my head that I want to say about it, but like that to me is so important because we're not supposed to do this alone, we're not supposed to do this in isolation and quarantine.
55:33
SPEAKER_00: So they want us quarantine.
55:35
SPEAKER_00: The very opposite thing to do is find community, find your people.
55:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
55:39
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna need people.
55:40
SPEAKER_00: We can't do this alone.
55:41
SPEAKER_02: I a hundred percent agree.
55:42
SPEAKER_02: And I feel like so many people, I know for me, you know, once 2020 hit, and for me, that was right around when I started my business too.
55:51
SPEAKER_02: It really kind of propelled me into finding soul family that I, you know, that lived other places in the world that I was like, oh wow, like these are my people.
56:03
SPEAKER_02: And I feel like that was a huge gift for me.
56:06
SPEAKER_02: And I think that happened for so many people.
56:09
SPEAKER_02: So I a hundred percent agree.
56:10
SPEAKER_02: It's so, so important.
56:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, with just knowing, as we talked about, just knowing times are gonna get a little bit harder, a little bit darker, a little bit weirder.
56:18
SPEAKER_00: We don't know how necessarily, but yeah, I feel like, especially in America, America's become so individualized and so, you know, we get home, we shut the garage, we don't talk to our neighbors, that kind of a thing.
56:30
SPEAKER_00: And living in Mexico, I see how the it's like really communal and and people are really if you need something, it's not a pro it's it's very safe because of that feel.
56:40
SPEAKER_00: And so, yeah, with with people in the Western worlds listening, it's just like that that's going to need to become the reality.
56:46
SPEAKER_00: So we bet we we might as well get started now.
56:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I totally agree.
56:50
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's better to be prepared, right?
56:52
SPEAKER_00: On any level.
56:53
SPEAKER_00: So build your community now rather than scrambling when literally the chips fall.
56:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I love that.
56:59
SPEAKER_02: Would you be able to share with people like where they can find you and how they can connect with you and of course your podcast too, because that's another exciting thing.
57:09
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
57:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
57:11
SPEAKER_00: So I used to podcast quite a bit, um, like I was saying, and I took a sabbatical over the last two years um to really get right in my mind.
57:19
SPEAKER_00: And then I just relaunched Wild Times with Arizona Bell.
57:22
SPEAKER_00: So you can find me basically everything on wildtimesmedia.com.
57:27
SPEAKER_00: There'll be a link to my podcast there and a link to all the social media um on Instagram, is where I'm most active, I guess.
57:34
SPEAKER_00: And I'm on it's at Wild Times Media, and then my personal one is at underscore Arizona Bell.
57:41
SPEAKER_00: And that's pretty much you can find everything from there.
57:44
SPEAKER_02: Awesome.
57:45
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
57:45
SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much for being here.
57:47
SPEAKER_02: And for our final question, um I know I still don't have the answer, so we'll see what happens.
57:53
SPEAKER_02: It'll it'll just channel right through, I'm sure.
57:55
SPEAKER_02: So for you, what is a non-negotiable when it comes to fully reclaiming your consciousness?
58:01
SPEAKER_00: A non-negotiable at this point is to not put my trust in anything outside of my direct connection to the source of life, to the creator.
58:12
SPEAKER_00: I hope that answers your question.
58:13
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, just to elaborate just a bit, like I've been saying this the whole time, but you know, I had many gurus, and this is different than having uh someone guide you or having help or something.
58:24
SPEAKER_00: But I put my power outside of myself in the spiritual world as a spiritual thought leader for many years.
58:32
SPEAKER_00: You know, I thought I gave all my power away, and that this whole process has been me setting down those gurus.
58:39
SPEAKER_00: That's why I took the sabbatical from my podcast and everything.
58:43
SPEAKER_00: I set down everything and I reconnected in word only into myself.
58:48
SPEAKER_00: Okay, what's true for you, Arizona?
58:50
SPEAKER_00: Who's true?
58:52
SPEAKER_00: What's true?
58:52
SPEAKER_00: Because we don't know, everything's a lie, right?
58:54
SPEAKER_00: So, really setting that down.
58:56
SPEAKER_00: So it's so now I've done that and I set down all the gurus, and it literally led me back to the creator, to creativity, to what I'm here to do.
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SPEAKER_00: So for me, a non-negotiable is not not getting my information from anything outside myself.
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SPEAKER_00: Other things can validate things, sure, but I start inside.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, there's there that meme out there, and it's like that Leonardo DiCaprio guy, like it's like, where do you get your information from?
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SPEAKER_00: And it's like, me, you know, so the non-negotiable now is like I I recognize my pattern even as a pretty free spirit to still put my power outside of myself and looking for a savior.
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SPEAKER_00: And so the non-negotiable is like I start with me, like if there's information that comes in through even the things happening in the world or whatever, I I come inside first.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's that's my non-negotiable.
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SPEAKER_00: I start with me now and then go outward.
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SPEAKER_00: I could not think of a better non-negotiable.
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SPEAKER_02: So thank you so much for that.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I didn't know, but it was still okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, no, that was perfect.
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SPEAKER_02: I love that so much, and I think that's gonna be very helpful for a lot of people to hear.
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SPEAKER_02: And I completely agree with you.
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SPEAKER_02: So thank you so much for sharing that.
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SPEAKER_02: And thank you so much for being here.
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SPEAKER_02: This was an amazing conversation.
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SPEAKER_02: I know everyone's gonna love it.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much, Elisa.
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SPEAKER_00: I love chatting with you.
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SPEAKER_00: It's uh hour goes by fast, huh, when you're talking about stuff that matters and it's oh my god.
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SPEAKER_00: I appreciate it.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for having me on.
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SPEAKER_00: It's been such a joy.
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